So, the premise is this: this universe was made by a “God” of sorts, who, intelligent design-style, sets evolution and all that crap in motion. The catch is: this “deity” wasn’t all-powerful, and would have had to sacrifice itself to achieve its goal of perfection in the universe. Out of self preservation, it did not, and after creating the universe, lay dormant and impotent. It’s refusal of sacrifice introduced seven fatal flaws into its people; seven tendencies to the seven major races it had fated to arise. These correspond roughly to the seven deadly sins. Each of the races would embody one of these sins, and, left unchecked, would succumb to the tendencies these temptations provided (though all races would be affected by all sins). However, with the last of its strength, the deity put measures in place to try and stop the flaws from destroying the peoples.

At all times, there would be one member of each race striving to struggle against their urges; while these “scions” give in, the rest of their race is protected. Now my issue is this: In the original, I had Angels (Pride), Demons (Wrath), Humans (Lust), Dragons (Sloth), Fey (Envy), Vampires (Gluttony), and Werewolves (Greed). Problem is, I’m becoming far less fond of the two modern horror races I’ve injected, and the system I had in place for other fantasy races: they were almost all crossbreeds of the primary seven. Any others were created artificially, like homunculi. I’m not so fond of this system anymore; a number of races will be crossbreeds, but not all. I couldn’t make sense of it. Now, I’m looking to maybe replace Dragons, Vampires and Werewolves.

I chose most of the races for their Scions; I chose Fey for envy because they had a folklore/literature character who could fit the role of the Scion of Envy, Oberon. I’d like all the other races to make sense like that, because the campaign includes characters from various mythologies (a reformed Puck is an important npc). I chose Vampires on account of Dracula, who I could easily warp to fit gluttony. I’d also like to point out one of the most important details here; this was originally a modern fantasy setting, wherein other races are far outnumbered by humans. The whole “world-behind-our-world” approach. Keep that in mind if you feel like suggesting anything; if it’s a major race, they’d outnumber the smaller magical races, but still have to be able to hide their existence from humans.

Dragons should be greed. they like to hoard treasure

and what system do you plan on using?

>>3032141
Dragons would have to occupy the "Greed" slot. Just look at all the treasure they hoard!

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Avoid Anne Rice vampires

it's about time they go back to their monstrous roots.

Because it's a modern fantasy setting, inspired by the concept of intelligent design (which I don't necessarily agree with, I just thought it was an interesting premise to play with), all the races (except Angels and Demons, who were exceptions for a reason) had evolved naturally from different lineages. Humans from primates, Fey from plants (with massive ambient magical interference), vampires from an interesting non-bat source (ask if you really want to know), and werewolves from the extinct bear-wolves, whose family name I can't remember. Now that the races aren't all crossbreeds, though, I can include seperate lineages. Any suggestions for non-primate lineages for other fantasy races?

>>3032180
Tripfag's typing a non-repost for information.

If you guys are interested, I can tell you more about the races. They’re homebrew, but the lore is really extensive. Problem is, it all needs retooling once I change things up. So, any suggestions for fantasy races in this framework? I’m not averse to a little plagiarism (good writers create, the best steal), as I’ve been debating using a Kender-like race for Greed.

>>3032190
so, thri-kreen from crickets, or whatever?

>>3032201 Kender
sorry, saying that word puts me in insta-rage

>>3032190

I want vampires to evolve from blood-sucking invertebrates.

>>3032201
Only if they know what little shits they are and everyone hates them.

Okay, so we have Angels, Demons, Humans, and Fey.

You need Gluttony, Greed, and Sloth.

Hmm. Well, something along the lines of a cat-human (I'm thinking Kilrathi, but that's just my old-skool upbringing) would work for Sloth... cats are nothing if not lazy.
For Gluttony you should use something insatiable, like the Aliens (from Alien, d'uh), or Tyranid, or Halo... something with a hive mentality that just consumes. If you want a "real world" analog, maybe mutant rats? They eat everything...
As for Greed... well, Dragons are a good choice, but you could easily pick Leprechaun, Goblin, or Elf...

4 foot dragons for greed. they don't have to be humanoid, just give them thumbs.

Cats are lazy
some Raksasha have catlike features (head)

Raksasha = Sloth

>>3032153
Actually, I'm not DMing (I'm much more writefag than crunchfag), I'm creating the setting for a friend to convert to GURPS (I think), though I'll be overseeing the racial stats and magic system. Those are the most homebrew elements.

>>3032188
Mine are descended from sharks, and can get a little aristocrat-like, but they are at all times brutal and conniving. They have a very competitive oligarchy, after all, and killing a rival is a more or less legitimate way of rising in influence, so long as you still have more money than your rivals.

>>3032190
do tell about the vampires.

>>3032258

>I'm creating the setting for a friend to convert to GURPS.
>GURPS

you're friend doesn't happen to be edward, is he?

>>3032258

meh, hivemind vampires that suffer from some sort of insatiable hunger would be better. make them drug addicts and there you have it: Gluttony.

Political backstabbing sharks doesn't fit gluttony at all.

>>3032230
Ratlike... so Kobolds or Skaven for gluttony? Not a bad idea, if you give it the right fluff. Each race I do has a well-developed culture and history, intertwining often with human history. Any ideas on how to put Skaven or such into contemporary fantasy?

>>3032209
Yeah, but I'm not too fond of them. They'd be relatively useless unless I had a player with a hard-on for bugs.

>>3032251
I'm not familiar with Raksasha. Could you elaborate? Are they from a particular setting?

>>3032212
Sorry. What if I told you I was thinking about adding a few Kobold-like elements to them (both ratlike and dragonlike varieties)?

Make the Gluttony gluttony race Wendigos if you don't like vampires. And I mean the Native American cannibal spirits, not the neutered yetis of most modern fantasy.

>>3032267
Nope, Frank. But he's not started yet.

>>3032291
Well that's the point. If they were under the effects of the flaw, they'd all be insatiable blood addicts. But if their scion gave into temptation, they'd all be saved from being consumed by their need.

>>3032299

Raksasha are from Hindu folklore... I think.

The Raksasha I'm suggesting are from DnD, their basically cat-headed turks with backwards hands.

>>3032304

Yeah, wendigos would fit the category quite well.

I can't help but imagine a Mignola-styled race of Goblins for greed.

They are capricious trickster spirits who love toying with mortals. But their race is fading away into the dark, so they steal children raise them as their own to stave off what they feel is their inevitable demise.

Demons should have multiple faces around their bodies: Back of head, buttocks (tongue sticking out of the mouth to serve as tail), crotch and knees.

all those faces are the face of RAAAAAGGEEE!!!!

Angels are similar to slugs with feathered wings!

maybe they could have pseudopod hands.

>>3032320
The trouble is giving them a culture. These all have to be well-developed races. In order for the race to fall prey to the flaw, one member, (the scion) has to resist it. In order for the member to resist, they have to, culturally speaking, have a reason to resist, such as being considered uncivilized. So what culture would condone gluttony but still be able to produce members who wanted to refrain from it (or at least be moderate)?

>>3032328
Actually, the demons are naturally shapeless, and can shift forms to a nearly unlimited degree if their rank is high enough.

By the way, this is original content, but feel free to steal all you want. Hell, if anybody is interested, I can post the entirety of the existing racial descriptions, and quite a bit about social organizations, too.

>>3032325

If you go with this, make the scion Spring Heel Jack. And if you go with Wendigos, Algernon Blackwood did have a story about them back in the early 1900's. I don't think he named the creature, but you could go with the name of the author. Algernon Blackwood is good sounding name for an imposing fantasy figure.

>>3032325
Any races save Demons, Angels, and Fey would be quite mortal, just long-lived. Demons and Angels can be killed and are born, but they are essentially immortal save extreme circumstances.

Fey aren't technically immortal, but can control the rate at which they age (but not reverse it), effectively slowing it down to a degree approaching immortality.

>>3032344

Gluttony = Hunter gatherers
Sloth = Work harder slave!
Greed = Capitalism
Wrath = None, they're too busy punching each other senseless
Pride = knights and samurais... really arrogant ones
Envy = socialites
Lust = orgies everywhere

>>3032344

Well, Wendigos do come from a region of ice and snow where food is incredibly scarce. Its not that they want to eat their own kind, its that they have to out of necessity. Like how hyenas do sometimes. Their Scion could just be one that never gave into the temptation or never felt it in the first place or something.

>>3032367

Heed this Anon's words.

>>3032267

Does Edward like GURPS? I've been going around saying that he hates it.

Not that it matters, because he no doubt likes it for the wrong reasons, being Edward.

At any rate, OP, my suggestions are Gargoyles (Sloth), and a race that kind of slowly ends up conquering everything for greed, kind of a more social greed than anything. You could have them descended from snakes, possibly like the Yuan-Ti, since snakes are symbolized in lore besides the Bible as being wizened tempters.

The gargoyles could be evolutionary descendants of spiders or another kind of ambushing predator. Maybe they wouldn't just be resigned to being statues either.

I was having trouble thinking of a suggestion for gluttony, but you topped whatever I had in >>3032258

>>Vampires are descended from sharks.

Jawsome. They could look human, except for possibly gills and that huge pointy-filled mouth. With off-color skin, their creepy factor skyrockets. Add an insatiable hunger that takes them when they don't get regular meals, and you have an eerie human-like race that symbolizes the dangers of hunger.

You could also use constructs like the Inevitables for Sloth. They don't have too much motivating them, and just end up building others because they're bored.

>>3032399

Listen to this Anon also

>>3032325
Also, they'd have to be able to hide their exisance from modern society. Werewolves do this by literally making their homes impossible to find unless you know how to look (there's a lot of magic involved), Vampires by influencing the governments and people where they live, Dragons by being rare as hell, and Fey, Angels, and Demons by living in "Otherplaces" (an ability strictly theirs). Lizardmen just live as nomads in places humans wouldn't survive long, and eat the few unlucky enough to come across them. I could see this working for Wendigos, too. Any other race would have to have some way of hiding, and that's what's blocking me at this point. There are a lot of good suggestions here, and a few that merit more research. But my new question is: how do you hide from such a large and prevasive population of people?

>>3032411

Well, keeping with the Mignola theme, Goblins hide in all the dark places of the world. Under the thickest of tree canopies where no light comes though, in abandoned human buildings, caves and especially the underground. They do not dig and muck about in the dirt though. They can make perfect holes in the surface or stand on the underside of a patch of dirt and flip it around completely or open up an perfect circle in normal earth and stone like a manhole cover.

I'd advise you to look up some of Mignola's work, namely Hellboy if you want to see more of what I'm talking about.

>>3032399
Actually, gargoyles were one of my ideas for sloth, until a friend showed up with some brillitant ideas for them as a construct race. And as this is an Intelligent-design-setting, and of the peoples chosen for flaws would have to be natually evolved. However, the guy who suggested them basically made them an early, flawed construct race, built by humans, who, being an early experiment in cosrtucted sentience and built by a flawed race, suffered two flaws; Sloth and Pride. One comes into effect while the other fades out, creating their stone-during the day ability. And because they have no blood relatives for the Scion title to transfer to when they die, some are on a quest to kill their Pride Scion so that they may be free from the stony embrace of day.

>>3032407

>>Anon

I lol'd.

But yes, as for scions, you could always go with attributes from the seven virtues. I know that's not terribly creative of me, but I suppose that's what you were going to do anyway.

The scoin for Gluttony could be kind of a religious figure, who fasted endlessly and earned great respect from their race, and preached peace and willpower. Kind of like Ghandi.

The scion for Greed could be a powerful businessman/merchant whose wife died of an illness. From then on, the donated everything that he earned except for the bare essentials to charities across the world, especially to ones researching his wife's illness.

The scion for Sloth could be someone in a position of power who at one point organized the sloth race into a huge and powerful civilization. He made tons of reforms, but when he died, the civilization collapsed. The people still remember it fondly, though.

>>3032399
You also got what I was going for with the Vampires, though only rare ones have gills and rough skin, and these often go mad as they age. However, awesome as they are, I'm not sure they fit the feel of what I wanted for the main races. Also, they're not truly a "main" race anymore, as the blood peoples in this history were hunted nearly to extinction in the middle ages. But you seem to like the idea. Do you think I should keep them as Gluttony, then? I actually started the restructuring to push both them and the dragons further to the background (notice that I more or less ignored all "Dragon" suggestions for greed).

Alright. So. It looks like Frank's offer to convert the setting was less of an offer and more of a suggestion that I do it. SO: anyone have a link to pdf's of the GURPS books?

>>3032476

I do like the idea, but less with the blood drinking and more with the RIP and TEAR and OM NOM NOM. Also have to worry about making sure they don't have too many animalistic traits, since players may want to play this race. No hair and the rough skin is fine, and then maybe only some of them have gills. If they're fine except for that insatiable hunger, and then when they can't eat it turns them into a voracious lunatic, that's a very big flaw that I'm sure no player would ignore.

>>3032512

Should be up on /rs/. But if you've never looked through GURPS before, it can be really fucking confusing. My main suggestion is to keep in mind what you went into the book for and not be taken in by all the awesome abilities and just start hedging in new abilities. You'll also want to keep them fairly low cost, so that non-human players will have quite a few points to play with.

I could help you convert the stuff, but I have to go to class soon. What time will you be on again, OP? (Board time)

I'll try to get on at probably this same time tomorrow, but I might be able to get on earlier.

>>3032606
Actually, I'm not sure I'll be on tomorrow, as I've got to pack for break. But I'll give it a shot for about the same time. And thanks for the offer, I wasn't looking forward to doing it on my own. I wouldn't have time to do it now, anyway. The woman calls. I'll post a thread or something when I get on. Thanks.