There's plenty of snakes
Personally I have had enough of those snakes

females are to phallic

Apart from Yuan ti, I can't think of any. Oh, and that snake in the bible, but that was just a talking snake.

Snakes are treacherous in mythologies.

inb4 snakes on a plane

They must move pretty slow with that anatomy.

>>5021660
or a symbol of rebirth

>>5021672

Have you ever seen a real snake? They "walk" slowly, yeah, but when all that muscle gets used at the same time they can strike too fast for you to even see.

>>5021689
Not enough of a Lamia's body is serpentine for them to do that.

>>5021653


If it has breasts, it's not phallic.

(in b4 someone finds a picture of a cock with titties)

>>5021703

what you say

>>5021689
thats only when they are coiled otherwise they are extremely inefficient movers

>>5021702
Yeah, a snakegirl with the same width/length proportions of a real snake would be very long indeed.

I always imagined them more as constrictors, so they can give you a good squeeze as they fuck you.

>>5021702

They can in 3.5 at least. Spring attack.

>>5021717
garter snakes and racers would like a word with you

I always wonder about the internal organs of lamias and the like. I mean, how the fuck would that even work.

>>5021733
Much like the rest of DnD, I shrug and try not to think too hard about it.

>>5021635

IIRC, Snakemen in Exalted are beastmen that tend to integrate well with societies in the East. They tend to gravitate towards being scholars and using medicine.

>>5021733

For the ones drawn like in the OP, I'd assume they have normal human torso organs and the ass down is all muscle.

these stubby snake whores must be descended from blood pythons

>>5021733
Where exactly are you having trouble? human internal organs are in the bit of the body lamia have. Only difference is your legs are now a big tail

>the ass down is all muscle.

That's going to give them one hell of a vaginal grip.

Real snakes have strange anatomy, it's all weirdly stretched out.

>>5021756

Lamia aren't real snakes, they're all descended from one cursed human witch. (In Greek mythology anyway.) Naga probably look like that internally, though.

>>5021750
>>5021719
for fucks sake im trying to stay out of /d/ and you two are not helping

>>5021773

;p

>>5021719
In before 'Living with monstergirls'

>>5021787

Cutest little aberrations ever, aren't they?

>>5021795
they look like some one drew eyes and attached limbs to a penis in need of moisturizing

>>5021733

>>5021811
some one really takes their deviant wank fodder seriously

>>5021811
Those kidneys are pretty big. They must pee a lot.

>>5021835
forget the kidneys look at the size of that goddamn spleen

>>5021773
You know, I had a girlfriend once who liked to wrap her legs around me and squeeze while we were fucking. Shit was cash, etc.

>>5021635

Because they are creepy.

>>5021835
snakes don't pee, they produce this white crap along with their weekly turd

>>5021846
I think that's just the smaller green bit. The huge part is a lung. I guess they can hold their breath a long while, nudge wink.

snake pee

>>5021865
no, man cum.

That's the effect of the cloaca for you.

/tg/ is so educational.

>>5021756

That is really simplified, right? I don't see a liver or kidneys.

snake bitches are always so bland, it's not like vibrant colors would be the thing straining the sense of reality

It's not recommended that you play creatures with a standard Int of 5 or less.

>>5021925
That's not a very good picture. This is a bit better, or you could go and search yourself.

Nothing can cuddle like a naga girl.

>>5021966
A half-ooze.

/tg/ - Theoretical Biology

everytime i see a snakegirl i cant help but think of that one chick on deviantart from like 2 or 3 years ago...whatsherface

>>5021971
True, but proper bones mean more strength.

I had a sorcerer character raise a lamia as a child once. It made for fun RPing, but the mechanics were really missing so we had to just bullshit everything.

I mean, what the fuck are you supposed to use to raise a child in the DnD universe? "Handle animal"? That's just insulting.

>>5021987
Snapesnogger, the one with gay/herm naga pregnancy based on Harry Potter.

>>Rage Counter Increased By 1

what is the appeal of snake girls? fucking one would be like jacking off into a sock, a cold slimy sock. you would just be holding the tail in place while you thrusted.

What's the difference between a Naga and a Lamia?

>>5021942

Less than 5? Average Lamias are smarter than humans.

>>5022013
I like to imagine the have a vagoo where a normal girl would have one.

And it's not my fault, it's because of that one Monster Girl comic that I love them ;_;

>>5022013
Since when are snakes cold or slimey?

>>5022021
country of origin.

Really thats all there is to it. Fapping to one makes you less weeaboo.

>>5022013
Still better than a hand...

>>5022021
Nagas are snakes with human heads.

>>5022000
"Handle Child" or Parenting

Make it a WIS based skill.

>>5022021

Lamias are basically humans with snake tails. Nagas are more serpentine, usually drawn with cobra hoods, scales everywhere, etc.

>>5022021

>What's the difference between a Naga and a Lamia?

There really isn't one, any more. Originally naga were snake-headed serpents and lamias were...well, a few different things. These days enough games have made snake people and called them one or the other that the terms are effectively interchangeable.

>>5022031
still no sexy legs or buttocks, and I think you would quickly find that the options for positions are limited

>>5022021
For the Japanese? None. DnD Nagas are snakes with human heads, no other stuff.

>>5021990
True, but cuddling does not require excessive strength. Clearly surface area covered is the metric of interest.

>>5022021
Lamia is greek, Naga is more indian, I think.

>>5021811

Where does the air enter for the second set of lungs?

>>5021865
that isn't pee.
that's the foul, amorphous mass that snakes excrete. Like with birds, reptiles excrete a near-solid mass of more concentrated uric acid along with the normal solid waste. This is unpleasant, especially seeing as it started as a whole mouse and will smell that way.

>>5022053
Depends on how much a fan of -4 strength you are, I suppose.

>>5022057
they can breathe through their butt like a snapping turtle

>>5022047

Tail is sexy too. As for buttocks, you'll find that they often are drawn with them, silly as it may seem.

>>5022057
The nipples.

Hey, I know. Let's have a half-ooze Lamia. The squishiness of a slimegirl combined with the muscular vagina of a Lamia would be absolutely orgasmic.

>>5022072

>>5022010
RRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>5022067
This is now a musclemonstergirl thread? Pleeeeaaase?

>>5022089
Sounds good to me.

>>5022110
Source?

>>5022095
Turtles have extraordinary anaerobic capacity--they have survived up to 33 hours in a pure nitrogen atmosphere. (Most reptiles have a high anaerobic capacity compared to mammals, but even they can't survive much more than 30 minutes without oxygen.) Although basically air-breathing, many aquatic species have developed ways to pick up oxygen even when submerged. Of these the most remarkable, which some turtles share with dragonfly nymphs, sea cucumbers, and certain televangelists, is the ability to breathe through one's butt. You've heard the expression 'Blow it out your after regions?' It's no mere figure of speech. Many species have a pair of sacs (bursae) opening off the cloaca (combined digestive and urogenital chamber). These are heavily vascularized to facilitate the uptake of oxygen

The champion in this regard seems to be the recently discovered (1973) Fitzroy River turtle Rheodytes leukops ('white-eyed stream-diver'), which is confined to its namesake river in Queensland, Australia. It lives in shallow rapids where the water is highly oxygenated. One can detect the keen sense of discovery in the account by the scientists who found it, John Legler and John Cann: 'One of our vivid early impressions of Rheodytes was that adults of both sexes swam with a widely gaping cloacal orifice (up to 30mm in diameter). The orifice remains open when individuals are out of the water. We first became aware of the large cloacal bursae when a female was examined in bright sunlight; the carapace transmitted enough light to illuminate the coelomic cavity and produce a spectacular view internally for at least 100mm, via the cloaca, revealing a large sac lined with vascular, villose mucosa. . . . Water is pumped in and out of the bursae of captives and experimental animals at rates of 15 to 60 times per minute' (Legler and Cann 1980). Only dedicated herpetologists could characterize the vista up a turtle's gaping bunghole as a 'spectacular view.' But you can understand their enthusiasm--since the turtle's shell is only 260 millimeters long, a 100-millimeter-long bursa is relatively enormous. Up to 68 percent of the turtle's oxygen uptake is accomplished through the cloacal bursae, so it rarely needs to come to the surface to bask or breathe.

>>5022129
>>>/rs/pretty+lamia

>>5022137
If humans could breath through their butts, it'd be harder to kill them through choking.

Well, unless they had a butt plug on while choking on a hot dog.

From alf874.

>>5022089
Snailgirls?

Naga please.

>>5022173
Better.

>>5022173
She's a hermit snail?

>>5022173
Slug Girls

Any idea where this is from?

>>5022042

Is that seriously a skill? If so, lol.

As it was, the DM liked the idea (a lot more interesting use for "a hatch of lamia eggs" than the SELL FOR GPS he had originally intended), so he was willing to let me pretty much make up rules on the issue. Don't remember all the details, but basically, since I wanted her to be a sorcerer at the end of the process anyway we used mentorship to mechanically represent the relationship and I did opposing will checks for the bratty child bit.

Also, bringing along your kid on adventures = worst parent ever. Even if the kid can disguise itself and charm monsters.

Speaking of tails, it's time for this to be posted again.

>>5022202

Going by the coloration, a lightless cave.

Last one before I crash into bed.

>>5022265
Somebody thinned their paints really well.

I hear you. I laid the foundations for most of the houses on this street, do they call me Muon the Stonemason? No, they do not.

I dug wells for half the families in town, do they call me Muon the Water-bringer? No, they do not.

I built bridges over nearly every creek in the county, do they call me Muon the Bridgebuilder? No, they do not.

But you fuck one snake...

Dude i'm hella with you. I think it's unfortunate that in Forgotten Realms they're basically more mortal chutulu or something.

I've played a yuan-ti too. I totally liked it.

Hmmm... but how do they taste?

You could always just play as a non-evil Lamia. I mean, it's a monster race, but it has a listed level adjustment so it's apparently considered viable.

>>5022393

That's a good example of a naga.

>>5022411

Snake tastes like chicken and human tastes like pork, so a chickenpig.

>>5022414

LA 4 isn't exactly "viable".

>>5022353
>>5022414
>>5022458
So lets make a race then. One without a level adjustment.

first thing that pops into my head is that it would have a movement speed of 20' per round.

>>5022482
Isn't that pretty fast? More like it should get some kind of strike ability that lets it move a square or two as it strikes.

You mean 4 Squares per turn right?

>>5022506
Spring Attack?

>>5022228
shriekmaw, you are the only girl for me.

>>5022482
They need a bonus to Escape Artist, since you can't perform any leg-locks on them.

>>5021635

Because people see snakes and get freaked out, much as with spiders. Both are very useful, so nagas and spider-girls are both welcome additions to the fantasy bestiary.

4 squares per round or 20 feet. I know jack all about 4th e, but I don't see why we can't stat it out for both editions while we're here.

20 feet is pretty slow for a medium sized creature. but I can see where it would be pretty good to add a racial ability "Gains spring attack as a bonus feat"

Lamia from the monster manual is:

Size/Type: Large Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 9d10+9 (58 hp)
Initiative: +2
Speed: 60 ft. (12 squares)
Armor Class: 18 (–1 size, +2 Dex, +7 natural), touch 11, flat-footed 16
Base Attack/Grapple: +9/+17
Attack: Touch +12 melee (1d4 Wisdom drain) or dagger +12 melee (1d6+4/19–20) or claw +12 melee (1d4+4)
Full Attack: Touch +12 melee (1d4 Wisdom drain); or dagger +12/+7 melee (1d6+4/19–20) and 2 claws +7 melee (1d4+2)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Spell-like abilities, Wisdom drain
Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision
Saves: Fort +7, Ref +8, Will +7
Abilities: Str 18, Dex 15, Con 12, Int 13, Wis 15, Cha 12
Skills: Bluff +14, Concentration +10, Diplomacy +3, Disguise +1 (+3 acting), Hide +11, Intimidate +3, Spot +11
Feats: Dodge, Iron Will, Mobility, Spring Attack
Environment: Temperate deserts
Organization: Solitary, pair, or gang (3–4)
Challenge Rating: 6
Treasure: Standard
Alignment: Usually chaotic evil
Advancement: 10–13 HD (Large); 14–27 HD (Huge)
Level Adjustment: +4

Spell-Like Abilities: At will—disguise self, ventriloquism; 3/day—charm monster (DC 15), major image (DC 14), mirror image, suggestion (DC 14); 1/day—deep slumber (DC 14). Caster level 9th. Cha saves.

In one of my earlier campaigns, my party encountered a yuan-ti who had left her people because of a love of music. It seemed to fit, what with the whole Arabic snake charmer thing.

She had been doing well for herself, and she wanted a new house slave to serve guests at her dinner parties.

Her new servant did very well, and the two developed an amiable relationship. In time, she even helped him get a flute, and that's when she realized that music was her favorite thing in life.

Dramatic bad things happened--another yuan-ti almost killed her slave, she got mad, others got suspicious, priests started divining, and she and her slave fled. The slave died during the escape, but she continued to their destination--a major human city where the slave had promised that music was always available.

That's when the party got involved.

In L5R, all the snake people are good guys.

For how to model the striking thing, just give a Lamia an extra square of reach with any weapon.

Hang on, don't most snakes carry some pretty disgusting bacteria on their bodies, so you have to wash your hands after handling them? I mean, that'd make most Lamias/Nagas kinda gross to have around.

>>5022765
I imagine that's because they can't wash themselves and they live in the dirt.

A sapient race that has a humanoid upper body would be capable of keeping itself clean.

Also, their bodies don't seem to be fit for combat. That tail is just a giant weak spot. You can't armor the damn thing.

>>5021658
... with legs.

>>5022822
Why couldn't you armor it?

>>5022567

Ditching the willpower draining and the spell-likes should take care of most of the level adjustment. Though redoing it from the ground up might make more sense.

>>5022822

That's why they should have favored class: Sorcerer, rather than, say, Barbarian.

>>5022860
Armoring the human pelvis is hard enough with all the joints and angles (that's why armored skirts were used back in the day)

Something like a snake tail would be even worse.

>>5022886

Chainmail.

>>5022886
The armored skirt approach would be just as applicable to a snake tail. You could drape plates or a brigandine-type construction over it.

>>5022414
Just because it can be made into a character doesn't mean it should be a PLAYER character. Some of those monsters can be given class levels just so the DM can turn them into a BBEG.

>>5022765
only salmonella really, but just about any bird or reptile can be a carrier. on the whole the are much less likely to carry an infectious disease than a mammal
>>5022822
they come with built in scale mail and they could wear a bisected drier hose

>>5022899
problem: Snakes move by undulating their bodies. They pretty much need their belly-plates to be in contact with the ground and able to produce friction. Unless the armour simulates them and is very well anchored (snakes can bruise easily if squeezed very tightly) they'll be ridiculously unwieldy and slow.

>>5022871
look at that stat block though. 18 strength? I forget the rules to converting this but thats like +4 str.

>>5023241
I'd personally give a strength bonus for things involving the tail. Human torso and arms work like a human. Tail is a fucking huge tube of muscle, able to exert strength in most directions.

>>5023233
Actually, snakes don't make contact with every part along their body at once. I'd think a snake girl could work around a couple of encircling straps.

>>5023278
depends on the snake, Boids can cruise forward with barley any S-ing of the body by using their belly scutes in a wave

I'd say +2 str +2 cha, -4 dex for 3.5, and +2 str and +2 cha for 4e.

Hmm... socially-integrable Lamia race? Well the obvious bits would be

+2 WIS, +2 CHA, -2 CON
Humanoid (Reptilian)
Medium
Base land speed 20 ft.
Natural reach 10 ft. (to model striking but slow "walking" movement)
+1 caster level for enchantment and illusion spells.

...but there are so many different "snakey" abilities that you could give that I'm kind of stumped on what to do for the rest of it. You could really go for an elf-type thing here, I suppose, with a choice between Viper, Constrictor, and King clan Lamia.

Vipers would get poison fangs and darkvision. Constrictors would be large, have Constrict (duh), and switch the stat dock to -2 DEX. King would have immunity to poison and a little damage reduction.

Sound workable?

>>5023395
-dex? on a snake?

-wis or -int

>>5023406
Well yeah, but I was thinking that something that moves like a snake at that size... it'd be hard for it to avoid being hit on a battlefield.

>>5023406

Considering snakes are well-known for wisdom and craftiness, docking either of those stats would be kind of retarded.

>>5023402

This, and they have to buy the double-cost version for any armor above light.

The difference is nagas have freckles, apparently.

>>5023536
Nice.

>>5023536
Where is that from? That looks really interesting. And not just because of naked monstergirls.

Okay, mostly because of that.

>>5023536
So are freckled centaurs different from centaurs without freckles?

>>5023402
Colubrids often produce a quite foul smelling musk that is a bitch to clean off, so do something with that

>>5022110
"Pretty Lamia" made me a fan of lamias just because the story was so adorable.

>>5023402
a race of snakes would use a weapon that utilizes fluid motion and very few long straight bits

whips might be good (pic is loaded with shot and easily beheads large snakes)

small flails, think a morning star with a short handle, a long chain and a particularly large end

they shouldn't use anything much longer than a shortspear, because this would impede them in the tight spaces of architecture I can imagine them using

longer weapons would cause a great deal of impedance

>>5023936
How about one of those whip swords?

>>5023948
die in a fire dipstick

>>5023965
Not that.

>>5023995
I retract my reply then

I assumed you meant whip sword as in something you'd see on /v/

I didn't think urumi

>>5023732

Colubrid is neither a well-known nor a well-defined group. It's basically the "mutt" of snakes.

I suppose if you really wanted it, then no CHA boost due to smell but not CON reduction would work as well as anything else.

>>5023936
>>5023995

Weapon familiarity: whips, spiked chains, and that fucktarded "DIRE FLAIL" thing, then?

>>5024048
If they count as Martial Weapons...

If they've got Reach anyway, add a stippend that it only counts against one creature each round. Add a feat that can be taken later if you want, but having Reach is a bit too powerful for a non-LA creature. Especially if you're giving them darkvision and whatnot.

>>5024114

True, improved reach once per round would work better. But then we have to make it a bonus feat or something, and it gets more complicated... sigh.

>>5024114

Weapon familiarity turns the weapons martial, yes.

>>5023936
There are alot of assumptions in this post that I don't agree with.
>a race of snakes would use a weapon that utilizes fluid motion and very few long straight bits

why?

>impede them in the tight spaces of architecture I can imagine them using

Humans take up less space than snake men yet we don't just live in closets. Also not all fighting takes place indoors.

>>5024114
>>5024174
>>5024185
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_weapons
here are some Ideas

>>5024264
Also I might add the most logical weapon for a creature with a natural rapid lunge would be a weapon that increases it's reach even further. Like a spear.

>>5024264
yes but think of it this way,

can humans propel themselves horizontally along a surface and through small holes and narrow tunnels.

also I cant imagine a being that can move sinuously along a surface like a snake using say, a greatspear, halberd, or longsword

>>5023402

Viper Lamia Paladins would fall due to using their natural weapons. This is awesome.

Looks pretty good though. As far as LA goes, having a race that's inherently customizable like that is a bit odd, but none of the different options look like they'd be substantially better than the main races.

What's their favored class though?

>>5023936
why? they'd be no better or worse at wielding them.

>>5024348

Haven't decided. Possibly sorcerer?

>>5024342

I'm not sure I follow your logic here. While the argument for them liking chain weapons makes some sense, it's not like they would trip over a spear.

>>5024342
>can humans propel themselves horizontally along a surface
yeah we can we just don't move efficiently in that manner and neither would a snakeman because of it's human torso

>through small holes and narrow tunnels
We can do that too again with reduced efficiency as would a snakeman. Also just because you can fit in a small hole doesn't mean all your architecture will be based around crawlspaces.

>I cant imagine a being that can move sinuously along a surface like a snake using say
Just because you think of the idea of snakemen using snake like weapons is cool doesn't mean it's the most logical weapon for them to use bio-mechanically. Especially if they live in confined areas as you imagine them too.

>>5024348
Favored Class: Cleric? They're naturally religious? After all, there's all kinds of snake cults around the countryside.

Favored Class: Rogue? People distrust them because they're snaky, steal for obvious 'we can't buy from them, so might as well' psychology, enter circular arguement.

Fighter doesn't make sense to me, and there's a lot in that group anyway. Barbarians are also out.

Wizards? Kinda. Possibly the local hobby is to research their old glory?
Sorcerer? Lot of sibilants, so likely?
Druid? Don't see why not.
Ranger? Sure! Reach'll come in handy with two-weapons.

About that, just give them the stat bonuses and Reach, maybe limited darkvision, or a close-range tremorsense (10 ft?). We shouldn't make up 'Lesser Reach: Only applies to one attack'. Just Reach with weapons that no longer have it.

Any thoughts on Racial powers? I'm thinking something like Venom Spit, causes blindness (save ends), or something?

>>5024427
>why? they'd be no better or worse at wielding them.

Now that devil of a question.
Why not?

I just find that this seems to be a more fitting notion


and so I don't have to later
>I just find that this seems to be a more fitting notion
> this seems to be a more fitting notion
>seems more fitting
>SEEMS as in an opinion you lackluster dipshit

>>5024477
Personally I think they'd make awesome fighters due to their natural lunge and grapple abilities.

>>5024477

Why would they need more racial powers? We've already got some per type and 2 for the whole set (deception magic affinity and striking).

>>5024475
if a snake body can move more efficiently through this kind of structure wouldn't it be logical to make fortifications and shelters based around this concept?

I do concede that my Idea of weapon types and architecture do clash but I find it more entertaining.

Lamias have more waist-level mobility than humanoids would have. If you think about it, their torsos can kind of move independantly from the snake part (bob around and such) which humans can't do. Much like you see an actual snake's head bob and move around, yet the rest of the body stays where it is on the ground. I'd figure this would make thrusting weapons more useful (like a sword) as they could stab, then back their bodies away and attack again from another angle, without actually moving.

>>5024477
cleric and spellcasters make sense with their natural wis/int bonus, though i'd lean towards cleric cause i like the snake cult thing

rogue i dunno about. seems like it would be difficult for something as huge and slow as lamia to sneak around. though there could be awesome instances of them launching out of dark corners, two daggers in hand, plunging them into their enemies like fangs.

actually, assassin would be a suitable replacement for rogue.

and they seem like they'd be rather adept fighters with their innate physical power. maybe a fighter based racial prestige class could be made

Do they really need a favored class? With the con/dex option these guys can pretty much fit anything by picking the right clan, and not having a favored class would be a mild disadvantage to counteract the fact that they seem to be slightly above average for a race.

>>5024513
Thing is though I don't think they WOULD move more efficiently through those type of structures. A snake might sure but we're talking about a creature that is an amalgam of snake and human. That human torso would only serve to throw off it's balance or at least make movement more strenuous and awkward when not held in an upright posture.

>>5024523
oh dear I hadn't thought of that

(promptly disappears in a puff of logic)

but this can be achieved by a shortsword or dagger. a longsword is heavier and harder to line up for additional attacks the
smaller=lighter (very often)
lighter=faster (sometimes)
faster=better attack, parry, and riposte

that and now the sight of a ducking, weaving, and lunging lamia holding a slim dirk(fang motif optional) stabbing violently. being in many places and the same place at once

>>5024547
Lamias make no noise when they move. If it's dark, you won't know what the fuck hit you.

>>5024577
Yeah, also a short spear would be effective in their hands, as every attack would be a full lunge with it.

I like them but they're too exotic to be used as player characters.

>>5024628

How is a snake more exotic than, say, a Tiefling?

>>5024610
it'll get bonuses to move silently but take penalties to hide.

bah. just give it a spear and call it a day

>>5024628
I think it would be entertaining, if the group could somehow figure out how to make it work.

I want to play a campaign sometime where you play the monsters. Sort of a world like those monstergirl pages are from, except without all the sex and rape.

A lamia, werewolf, slime, and harpy in a dungeon crawl. Trying to survive and avoid the adventurers.

>>5024638
tieflings are basically humans with an unobtrusive (at least in 3.5) tail for kicks. anatomy is exactly to same. lamia however...well, they're snake people

>>5024670
Well Lamia are sort of people who's legs merged together into a snake. The upper half (and depending on if its porn or not, the waist itself) is still human.

Then again, that too depends on the setting. Maybe there could be bestial lamia that are more snakelike? Or would that be too close to Yuan-Ti?

>>5024670

Oh, you mean physically? Meh, who gives a fuck. As long as they're as intelligent as people and not an outsider or aberration they should be able to join into a tolerant society OK.

Or, if you run your settings as full of racism, then they might be locked in eternal BECAUSE YOU LOOK FUNNY! conflict with the elves and the orcs, but they still wouldn't be part of team monster.

>>5024638
Tieflings are basically humans with horns and a chip on their shoulder, not half human half animal monsters with with a deep rooted real-world mystique..

Lamia characters would be ok in a lolcampaign or in the hands of a very skilled dm but generally speaking you can't put that much exoticism into the hands of a player without it leading to a mary sue wankfest. They're just too cool and too unique.

>>5024670

They're the closest to human of all the "monster person" races.

>>5024670
Right. So we've made them slow for a Medium creature, and gave them Reach. There. We've put the anatomical difference into the crunch.

>>5021667
I have a sudden urge to place a naga pilot or flight attendant girl into a D20 modern campaign.

>>5024698
that changes locomotion, reproduction, excretion, etc. jump check? impossible. climb? how would that even work? they would be able to do crazy shit like grapple two people at once, maybe more if they're long enough. the human torso itself would behave differently because of the snake half.

>>5024729

It's not going to be a Mary Sue wankfest if the player isn't a fuckwit.

>>5024750
I imagine somethings would be easier to climb like poles and trees, other things like walls would be pretty much impossible without special equipment.

>>5024750
>locomotion, reproduction, excretion, etc.
Well, yeah on the locomotion part, though I can't see how that would come up in game.

Reproduction and excretion would depend on where the snake part begins. Most lamia pictures you see here they still have human genital areas, and same in the back end.

>jump check? impossible.
Wouldn't it be possible for them to coil up and push forward to jump, like a spring?

>climb? how would that even work?
There are snakes that can climb trees, so I wouldn't put it past them.

>>5024799
>Wouldn't it be possible for them to coil up and push forward to jump, like a spring?

NOOOOOO SPRINGS!

>>5024523
I'm now seeing roman legions of nagas, hell the shields would protect the exposed front of the snake half, stabbing weapons like the gladius plus natural reach? Awesomesauce.

>>5024750

Real snakes can get airborne by contracting and then flinging themselves, Lamias could do the same. I mean, it's not like humans can realistically jump more than about 15 feet anyway, and a Lamia's already got most of that distance covered just by reaching out. Anything beyond that goes in the "lol we have superhuman stats" category. Climbing could be a pain in the ass depending on the surface, but that would mostly just be on the DM to adjust your climb checks. Totally workable.

>>5024799
>Most lamia pictures you see here they still have human genital areas, and same in the back end.
not >>5021811

>Wouldn't it be possible for them to coil up and push forward to jump, like a spring?
maybe, but snakes aren't really designed for such movement. i'm not sure their anatomy would let them build up enough energy to significantly propel themselves off the ground.

>There are snakes that can climb trees, so I wouldn't put it past them.
a wall would be an insurmountable obstacle

i guess you could get by it if you don't really do physically demanding adventuring

>>5024799
Climb, oh fuck yes they can.
Jump, not like a spring. Low lunges are fine, but not really leaping. Of course, combining a lunge and natural length leads to crossing gaps humans have trouble jumping.

Snakes generally cannot jump. they can, however climb. This is because their ribs are flexible - in addition to the usual side winding momentary touching systels of locomotion they usually use, they can actually use their ribs to 'crawl' which is how thye move in burrows and the like. this is also the technique which l;ets them 'grab' and 'drape' themselves over rough barked trees.

LOTS of snakes climb, especially mambas, pythons (not so much anacondas), and vine snakes.

>>5024809
GODDAMNIT COILY.

>>5024862
if they can't clear it completely and just hang over the edge i doubt their human torso would have the strength to pull the rest of it's body up

The physical exertion issues drop off the table when you realize that DnD characters can "mundanely" squeeze through holes the size of their heads.

>>5021667
see >>5021642

>>5024861
>not >>5021811
Well, I've seen others that do show what I explain, so its kind of moot. Different settings would have Lamias be different.

>maybe, but snakes aren't really designed for such movement. i'm not sure their anatomy would let them build up enough energy to significantly propel themselves off the ground.
Other anon's state that snakes can kind of jump. If you think about it, it wouldn't matter much. Humans can't jump very far, and I'd figure a spring-like jump or however would get close enough (anything life threatening like over a chasm I wouldn't want to risk as a human anyway), and if the jump was vertical, they could just push themselves up by lifting themselves up with the rest of their... tail... body.. whatever the term for it is. This way they could probably get more height than humans that can jump well.

>a wall would be an insurmountable obstacle
Yeah walls would be hard to climb. How often does wall climbing come up in these games? I've never had to do it, and any good group could probably come up with a solution.

>i guess you could get by it if you don't really do physically demanding adventuring
There's always a way around everything.

Something interesting I've noticed is that centaurs are usually depicted with horse genitalia in classical art so they should in theory be sexually compatible with equines. What if a centaur x horse pairing were to produce a feral, beastman type centaur, like a mule?

Centaurs traditionally represented the struggle between barbarism and civilization and they were very wild and hedonistic. Having them sink to such levels of bestial depravity wouldn't be unfitting and it could make for an interesting social dynamic within their culture if the dm handles it well.

>>5024882
>Dragons can't fly, you guys! Guys, dragons can't fly they're too big!

>>5024926
Fundamenteum, faggot.

>>5024772
It's going to lean that way regardless of how good the player is. Unless it's a 'lolcampaign' where such things don't matter.

>>5024882

For the sake of simplicity, we're going to say that they can do pullups. After all, STR is assumed to be the same all over unless you have an actual disability in one limb.

As for a biological justification, Lamias, like snakes, are basically nothing but muscle. They have fragile bones (hence low CON), but they're so damned toned that they can pull themselves up if they can get a grip.

>>5024982
inb4 musclegirl lamias.

...Do want, actually.

>>5024900

Fuck, given enough luck, you can do ANYTHING. Pulling off the blatantly impossible through sheer luck has always been one of the staple elements of the game. Most relevant example I can think of is when I had my rogue spider-climb 50 feet across an ice ceiling over a gorge, thanks to a natural 20. Pissed the hell out of my DM, since we completely skipped most of the traps in the dungeon as a result.

>>5024996

Best part is, they would be muscular, but still skinny.

>>5024979

No it isn't. Being from a weird race is special, sure, but it needn't be any more special than what's necessary to make someone into a hero in the first palce.

Hell, the Lamia character I've played (mentioned WAY earlier in the thread) was one of the more normal people in the group. Yes, she was from a monster race, but being an intelligent magical beast sorcerer is arguably less "special" than being a mutant human sorcerer in the first place, and between that, not having the "MY PARENTS ARE DEAAAAAD" backstory, and being mentally and emotionally well adjusted, we're already well below average on the attention whore scale.

If you're going to play a monster character, invest in social stats. In addition to the fact that you need them for not getting killed by overactive adventurers who think all monsters are evil, it opens the awesome option of diplomacy with other intelligent monsters.

>>5022146
Your brain still wouldn't get the oxygen as the blood flow to head is stopped by the choking hands. Brain would still be damaged/destroyed as fast as before.

>>5025310
I'd love to see a party "adopt" a lamia or something with a fuckton of points in social skills and use her to negotiate shit.

They'd have to do something about renting rooms though.

>>5025324

That's what we did. Basically, convincing the intelligent monsters to let us go by in exchange for not killing them.

After a while, though, the DM started making all the monsters in his dungeons be under mind control from whoever built the thing so that we couldn't ask them about all the traps ahead of time.

>>5023504
What about like a 3rd ed. monk? Major bonuses to a lot of stats as long as no armor is worn?

>>5025437

No reason for that, unless they're also a monk. A lamia should be able to wear armor just fine, it would just need to be specially designed for flexibility.

>>5025437
You just want a topless naga.

Seconded.

Someone statted them using the Monster Girl Encyclopedia awhile ago.

I only have the one for Lamia and Tetra Arms though:

Lamia
Large Monstrous Humanoid (Reptilian)
HD: 4d8+12 (30 hp)
Initiative: +0
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
AC: 16 (-1 Size, +3 natural, +4 chain shirt), touch 9, flat-footed 16
Base Attack/Grapple: +4/+10
Attacks: Shortspear +6 melee or +4 ranged (1d6+2), Slam +6 melee (1d6+2), or Composite Shortbow +4 ranged (1d6/x3)
Full Attack: Shortspear +6 melee or +4 ranged (1d6+2), Slam +6 melee (1d6+2), or Composite Shortbow +4 ranged (1d6/x3)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./10 ft.
Special Attacks: Constrict, Improved Grab
Special Qualities: Alternate Form
Saves: Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +7
Abilities: Str 15, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 13, Wis 12, Cha 11
Skills: Diplomacy +2, Hide -1, Knowledge (any one) +3, Listen +5, Move Silently +3, Sense Motive +3, Spot +5
Feats: Combat Expertise, Iron Will
Environment: Warm desert
Organization: Solitary, pair, band (3-6), or settlement (5-20 plus 1 leader of 5th)
Challenge Rating: 3
Treasure: Standard
Alignment: Usually Lawful Good
Advancement: By character class
Level Adjustment: +3

>>5026757

From the waist down, this attractive woman has the body of a giant snake. She keeps a weapon ready, but seems intrigued rather than hostile as she grins and runs a forked tongue over her lips.

Lamias are a race of mysterious humanoids with the upper body of a human woman and the lower body of a snake. They make their homes around the edges of desert oases, where they form small villages. While the Lamia are generally peaceful, they will fiercely and jealously defend their homes if threatened, and are feared and respected in the desert lands for their raw physical power as well as their surprisingly keen intellect and benevolent manner. Lamias are, on average, about 15 feet in length, and weigh about 600 pounds.

Combat
A lamia who perceives a possible threat will likely either report what she has witnessed to her allies or approach the interloper and question it to determine its purpose. While they prefer to fight on their own terms, lamias forced into a battle will try to end things as quickly as possible, either putting her strength and size to use in battering her foes or simply retreating until she can form a strategy.
Alternate Form: A lamia can, as a full-round action, transform her serpentine tail into human legs, as if using the spell polymorph self. This changes her size category to medium, reducing her space/reach to 5 ft./5 ft.
Constrict: A lamia can deal 1d6+2 points of damage with every successful grapple check against medium or smaller creatures. She may choose to deal either lethal or nonlethal damage without a penalty to her grapple check.
Improved Grab: A lamia that hits with her slam attack may start a grapple against a creature of medium size or smaller as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If her attempt is successful, she can constrict. No initial touch attack is required.

>>5026763

Lamia Society
Lamias live off the land surrounding their villages, harvesting the fruits and nuts of the oasis they live beside, occasionally hunting to supplement their diet as the need arises. Lamia villages also give shelter to travelers crossing the desert, trading with those who bring goods from the outside world. An interesting fact to note is that the lamia race is composed entirely of women—they breed exclusively with men from outside their species. Whoever a lamia chooses as her partner is considered wedded to her unless the man in question leaves her company immediately after mating. While definitely surprising to most travelers who find themselves in these circumstances, those men who accept the union most often live happy lives, as Lamias are intelligent, beautiful, and good-natured brides.
Lamia children are always lamia themselves, although on certain occasions these children are born in human form—how this is interpreted varies depending on the disposition of the parents and the village as a whole.


Lamia Characters
Lamia are very rarely seen outside their villages, and almost never seen outside the desert, but a few lamia have been known to follow their husbands out of their villages, occasionally as far as to other continents. Alternatively, some young lamias simply leave their villages for short trips outside of their villages to gain more knowledge about the outside world.
A lamia’s favored class is cleric, with access to the following domains: Animal, Good, Law and Sun (Favored Weapon: Shortbow). Despite their honest, open ways of dealing with peaceful outsiders, the name of the Lamia patron deity has never been revealed to any non-Lamia.

>>5026757

Good timing there, since I actually just finished writing up the description for the race that we stuck together in this topic and was trying to find where the thread went. I think it might need a second topic though, because thanks to the comment field being too small it's going to take a fuckload of posts to get down.

>>5026777

Yeah, I was just clicking through and thought I'd post that. Wish I had one for the other monstergirls though. I'm no DM so they'd never be used, but I'm a statwhore.

>Lawful Good

Meh. As much as I don't see anything inherently EVIL about them, I equally fail to see why they'd be a typically Good kind of race. LN would fit better by me but that's just me.

On a semi-related note, if we're getting playable stats for lamia, how about that centaur paladin we came up with that one time too?

>>5026772
>Lamia children are always lamia themselves, although on certain occasions these children are born in human form
So, if it's a boy, it's a [INSERT FATHER RACE HERE] if it's a girl it's a Lamia?

>>5026777

Oh what the hell, I'll post it here.

Since people brought up the whole diplomacy and racial tensions thing in the discussion, I decided to put them in a (to my knowledge unique) social position in the 'verse: nobody likes the race, because they have a talent for manipulation and mind control, but individual Lamia don't really have to deal with prejudice because, well, they have a talent for manipulation and mind control. Basically, everyone thinks "Snakes? Bunch of damned scheming bastards I wouldn't trust further than I could throw. Amy, though, she's a good one."

Lamia

Of all the humanoids, the carnivorous, snake-tailed Lamia most blur the boundary separating the civilized races from the intelligent monsters. They are as a whole mistrusted, and no other race or government is officially on good terms with the Lamia. Individually, however, Lamia are charming and easy to get along with, due to an almost magical ability to say the right thing at the right time, and it's a rare city that doesn't have a Lamia family or two counted among the respected members of the community.

Due to their dietary requirements, Lamia cannot live in large groups, so Lamia society is based around small nuclear families, with few Lamia villages or towns. This has given the Lamia a highly individualistic culture, with few notable tendencies in behaviour or attributes. Many rancher Lamia can be found in the countryside, while others choose to be hunters in forests. When living in the cities, Lamia often work as merchants, with more ambitious members of the race often taking civil service or clergy positions, in which they rise quickly. Finally, a few Lamia apply their talents working as diplomats between nations, or even to the savage races and intelligent monsters.

Cont.

>>5026910

The history of the Lamia is mostly unknown, for while Lamia love to share and embellish tales of their own ancestors, few care to remember the tales told by others. The two leading theories supported by scholars are that the Lamia are either relatives of the Yuan-Ti or a recent evolution of the monstrous Feral Lamia (i.e. the one in the monster manual), though a minority point to their inherent magical abilities as evidence that they are the result of experiments in cross-breeding humans and magical beasts to create a reliable sorcerous bloodline.

Stat adjustments: +2 WIS, +2 CHA, -2 CON (Some say that their forked tongues can taste the emotions of others in the air. Others believe they can read the minds of those that look into their eyes. Whatever the reason, Lamia have always possessed great insight and cunning, particularly when it comes to interacting with other people. They are, however, less sturdy than they appear, due to having fine bones.)
Type: Humanoid (Reptilian)
Size: Medium
Base land speed: 20 ft.
Natural reach: 10 ft. (Their slithering gait makes Lamia appear to move ponderously most of the time, but when in combat, they extend their bodies with frightening swiftness to strike at incautious enemies)
Racial bonus: +1 caster level to enchantment and illusion spells, and the psionic equivalent. (A Lamia's natural talent at persuasion gives it one additional effective caster level when using spells and powers which change the perceptions or minds of others.)

Cont.

Just as an aside; snakes are all predatory carnivores. Selling them as a race of farmers just...doesn't really seem right to me.

>>5026941

Weapon familiarity: The Whip, Spiked Chain, Dire Flail, and similar exotic flexible reach weapons are considered martial for a Lamia. (The manipulation of long flexible tools comes naturally to the Lamia due to their body shapes, so any Lamia with substantial weapons training will be able to use them with ease.)
Armor: Due to their unusual lower bodies, Lamia requiring special construction for their armor. Lamia who wish to wear medium or heavy armor must pay the non-humanoid price for it.
Alignment: Any. Slight leaning towards neutrality, if you can call it that.
Favored class: None. Lamia take experience penalties for any multi-classing they do. (Due to their loose social structure, the Lamia have never developed a strong affinity for one class over another. Unlike humans, however, individual Lamia are not usually jacks of all trades.)
LA: 0, hopefully.

Cont.

>>5026943

You'll notice I incorporated that aspect in mine, as the guiding force behind their culture no less.

>>5026948

The Lamia race is made up of several variant strains with unique physical characteristics. At character creation, a Lamia selects one of the following as a bonus feat:

Viper clan: Viper Lamia possess retractable fangs, granting them a 1d4 bite attack as a natural weapon. They may also choose to make a bite poisonous 3 times per day, at DC 10 + CON modifier, or inject all of their remaining poison for the day to add 2 to the DC for each additional dose. (Declaring a bite poisonous is made after the bite connects, as in actual snakes.) Additionally, the Vipers have a pit in the center of their foreheads which functions as a "third eye", giving them heat-based darkvision out for 30 ft.

Constrictor clan: Constrictor Lamia tower over their brethren from the other clans, often growing to 15 feet in total length with a standing height of about 9 feet, placing them in size category large. In order to support the increased weight, their skeletons are more durable but less flexible than those of other Lamia, giving them -2 DEX rather than -2 CON. Constrictors earned their name from the powerful crushing technique they can use while grappling, Constrict.

King clan: King Lamia are so named for their durable physiology, which seems optimized to help them survive combat with other Lamia. They possess thickened scales and organs designed to function even when punctured or crushed, granting DR 3/slashing, and are highly resistant to poison, receiving +10 to those saves.

I think this version works better. Also sounds less like a sex fantasy.

Can we have a Rattler variant? Bonus to intimidate and... something.

>>5026991

Well, the other one was based off of a mockup for an eroge, so it makes sense.

But yeah, >>5026757 = "I want my character to be fucking a snake", >>5026910 = "I want my character to fucking be a snake".

>>5027025
>I want my character to be a FUCKING SNAKE

You'll never get away from the eroticism, though. Someone IS going to insist on making a nudist female lamia.

>>5026991

What, you don't wanna have sex with a snake woman?

But yeah, the stats I posted were based off of the MGE which is pretty much pure sex fantasy.

>>5027039
Y'know if you mixed these two separate concepts together, you might get a halfway-decent all-female race that doesn't just scream LOL FETISH

>>5027058

Why would they need to be all female though? If you want a race to be more than a one-time novelty or powergamer bait, they should be both versatile and have good flavor. Only one gender kind of takes a chunk out of the whole "versatile" bit.

>>5027115
Are there any gender restrictions in D&D?

>>5027388
Propably not. If it doesn't seem to fit
>wizard did it!

they can glide like a flying squirrel also

>>5027619
Well, you COULD make them all female. Not saying you should, but you could if you really want to.

>>5024842

No. They must be Greek.

making a 0 ELC lamia would never be worth it, why do faggots always try to rape all the flavor out of a race just for 'balance' and ease of use. =/ its not like we're Faggots of the coast, lets make something snaky.

>>5026971
>the Vipers have a pit in the center of their foreheads which functions as a "third eye", giving them heat-based darkvision out for 30 ft.

pythons have pits too and they look like freckles

>>5027978
THAT SNAKE IS COPYRIGHTED

GET HIM

/tg/ where serious discussions become fetish porn dumps and fetish porn dumps become serious discussions

>>5027972
>=/
go back to gaia

Why is this not on suptg yet?

>>5028070
Does the character block warrant archival?

>>5028070
You could just do it yourself, it's not hard.

>>5024611
>>5024640

hey dipsticks
see
>much longer than a shortspear,