>>6750414

#6's guy did get turned into a soulsteel paperweight, though.

There's always the giovanni ritual where they stitch together a bunch of corpses and fuck them.

>>6750432

An ashtray. There are no cigarattes in the Shadowlands. Eventually, during the Time of Judgement for Orpheus, one scene involved a barrage of items from beyond the Shroud, one item which was...you guessed it, an ashtray.

Also as for 7... the world ended pretty fucking soon after 1999 according to the metaplot, didn't it? It's not like 2009 ever happened.

Also if you take the Pentex book seriously, you are doing it wrong.

>>6750460
For some reason, the only thing I can read in that block of text is the words 'SEVEN MAGIC UNDEAD ASSES'.

Like 5 years or so after the metaplot. And I never took Pentex seriously at all, especially since half their stuff was Evil in a Can.

Pic related.

Osiris took control of the Web of Faith, and so all prayers in the middle east go directly to the Mummeh Gawd instead of to Yahweh. Who is, himself, real, and did go LOL ALL VAMPIRES DIE once.

>>6750460

Only seven necromancers may perform this act together.

What... why? NECROPHILIA GANGBANG IS OKAY, SO LONG AS THERE'S LESS THAN EIGHT PEOPLE. EIGHT WOULD JUST BE SICK AND IMMORAL

Werewolves believe that science stifles individual freedom and creativity, even as their society is a repressive form of tribal feudalism.

>>6750414
I am new to WoD, so I can safely say...what?
What books do all of that stuff appear in?

>>6750540
Savage Genitals is from Freak Legion: A Guide to Fomori. The evil in a can fratboys are from Subsidiaries: Guide to Pentex.

This is too. This is the result of playing RPGs in World of Darkness (You get these powers). JACK CHICK IS RIGHT.

>>6750540

Old world of darkness, the old edition. The two arguments people who like nWoD better have are that nWoD the combat is much smoother, and the metaplot of oWoD, while ignorable, was eleven kinds of retarded by the end.

>>6750556
Don't forget the hilarious bitching about TSR!

>>6750540
Old World of Darkness. It menaces with spikes of metaplot. :3

>>6750540
Old World of Darkness. It menaces with spikes of metaplot. :3

In the owod, gypsies are genuinely a form of monster.

How did they stop Grandmother again? Didn't somebody tell her to screw off?

>>6750606
As far as I remember, a rogue Void Engineer named Xerxes Jones dropped a nuke in the mouth of oblivion and pressed the big red button.

>The two arguments people who like nWoD better have are that nWoD the combat is much smoother..

Yes, no one hits anything except by dumb luck.

>and the metaplot of oWoD, while ignorable, was eleven kinds of retarded by the end.

A great big, but damn enjoyable, clusterfuck indeed.

>>6750631
The sad part is that this is actually pretty plausible.

>>6750592
>In the owod, gypsies are genuinely a form of monster.

In new WoD Cops are.

Also, the retared metaplot is why I *like* old world of darkness. It's humorously bad.

>Gun-wielding phalli

>>6750606
On a related note, what was that secret she had in that one Memory Tower?

>>6750633
I'd drink to it.

>3) There's an all-female Gangrel bloodline of catgirl vampires ~nyaa.
It was my understanding that every WoD player encounters this at least once.
Either that or my GM really likes cat-girls.

>>6750653
Hahaha (bloody brilliant scene) xD

>>6750671
Either that or fucking FIVE TRIBES OF BASTET WERECATS! Also kitsune.

>>6750671
Lets see...we had catgirl vampires, werecats, and an entire Eastern Kith of Changelings that were catgirls. This is not counting how regular sorcerers/mages could learn catlike features.

>>6750556
>Graceless Oblivion
>Stench of the Convention.
>Master of Fate

BWAHAHAHAHA! THIS IS 99% OF /tg/. Goddamnit, White Wolf kicked hard on the balls with this kind of parody.

Where can I download End Game?

>>6750671
I had a Tzimisce who made a huge amount of money granting the desires of weeaboos, trannies, and furfags.

>>6750671
Let's be honest here. When done right, it's hard NOT to like catgirls.

They're like the redheads of OWoD.

>It was my understanding that every WoD player encounters this at least once.


personaly just reverted them to normal gangrels with a form of sisterhood subculture.

>gun-wielding phalli

>>6750705
Exactly.
Unless the PCs really dislike cats.

>>6750671
Uh... never once. And I've been playing oWoD for what, 9 years now?

What happened to the Malfeans, anyways?

>>6750653
... sauce?

>>6750606
>>6750654
Seconded. I never really got into Orpheus, but I'd like to know what all that fuss was about.

>>6750775
I had a PC BE a cat once (intelligent & independent familiar), he was the brains of the group.
It was hilarious to have half the combat situations be defend the kitty from werewolves or witch hunters.

>>6750801
Swedish comedy "Kopps"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0339230/

>>6750920
I remember it.

um, i remember ops #6. he was a kinfolk/ghoule/hedge maze. but does anyone know his name, or have a book fro reference?

>>6751052
Samuel Haight.

>>6751132
The books to reference include Under a Blood Red Moon, Project Valkenberg, Rage Across the Amazon, and The Chaos Factorl.

Didn't Vykos impregnate HIMSELF with some sort of vampire baby he made using part of himself and that gangrel signature character gal, Ramona?

>Samuel Haight.

And a "friend" of mine named his first son after him (I shit you not).

>Samuel Haight
In retrospect, he showed up briefly in my first tabletop game (a Werewolf game). I wasn't familiar with him at the time.

I think we sort of (non-permanently) killed him.

>>6751052
He was also a Skin Dancer. And a commentary on powergamers and munchkins.

>>6751191
wat
where the hell was this

>>6751132
thank you for the info. i just got home, and it turns out that one of my players put goatsie as my background....im thinking of ways to kill him now.

also, as for metaplot, members of my group and i are in an argument. i know very little about the other game lines, but i beleive that caine is more powerful than the rank six kitsune, i believe it was.

so, /tg/ i need your opinion, please. i personaly beleive that antideluvians could wipe this rank 6.

>>6751222
Fuck if I know, I just remember reading that somewhere. It's no stranger then half of the shit going on in the Giovanni Chronicles.

That and the Bhaali clanbook. Fuck that shit, seriously.

>>6751244
God, the fucking pictures in that book.

This is why I haven't actually read it.

>>6751234
>but i beleive that caine is more powerful than the rank six kitsune, i believe it was.

Are they fucking retarded? Zapathasura, one of the weaker of the clan founders (either that or the weakest of the 2nd generations, depending on what you believe) survived three prime-enchanted nukes, a storm that ravaged ALL OF INDIA, and three over-charged Methuselahs. AT THE SAME GOD DAMN TIME!

>That and the Bhaali clanbook. Fuck that shit, seriously.

Such a brilliant clanbook. The Bhaali and teh Geovanni ones was pure win.

>>6751191
i remember that vykos was born a man, and after a few centeries decided to become sexless, and personaly rallied the raid of atlanta. she/it also was marched in one of the gehennah chronicals, infront of all the sabbat, as she was the lowest generation of the faction still alive.

>>6751252
I haven't bothered to read it. Something about a child Bhaali sending insects up his ass through the penis of the priest raping him to take him over was involved and I went "you know what? Fuck this, I don't need to read this".

>>6751279
It was one nuke and an orbital solar array. The The array was put up first, but the Kuei-jin blocked it so they could keep fighting. Then the nuke killed that segment of the umbra, causing the stormclouds to dissapate. Then the sunlight was focused in a coherent onto the Antediluvian and he finally was vaporized.

>>6751293
Vykos tore his penis off and threw it at Haardstadt the Elder during the Covenant of Thorns before storming off to help found the Sabbat.

as for the balli, theres somthing iv never understood. what do they have to do with insects? there discipline does nothing with insects, and niether does being baali. all i could find was one merit.

>>6751309
He was still fighting three Bodhisattvas. In the middle of a massive flood. While various bits and pieces of the spirit world were trying to kill him off.

And he STILL survived a nuke.

>Samuel Haight appears in a short story in the 'When will you rage?' anthology.

...


>'When will you rage?'

...

>when will you LOSE THE GAME

>>6751331
Beelzebub, lord of the flies.

>>6751311

which book was this in?

>orbital solar array

ACTUAL NAZI TECHNOLOGY!

well theoretical such, crazy nazis.

>>6751358
It was a Technocratic Union array. Of course they were using Nazi technology.

>>6751369
Oh yeah...WWII...originally Himmler was a vampire. Then they retconned it so that the Nazi government was all mortal...then they re-retconnd it so that WWII was just a Nephandus plot to distract the Technocrats and Traditions while they invaded from outer space...

Yeah.

>>6751395
Himmler was the Tremere, right?

And one of the Tzimitsce sig characters was a death camp guard, right?

Fuck both of those clans.

>>6751409
Harold Zettler was a Malkavian Antitribu with Sadism as a derangement. He was a Nazi medical experimenter, and is on the Pentex Board of Directors.

>>6751479
Yeah. Fuck that shit.

And people want to play the Black Dog games instead of the regular ones, because they're deeper and more mature. Fuck. That.

What's the deal with Saulot?

>>6751522
what about salout? theres so much you have to be specific.

>Himmler was the Tremere, right?

Yes.

Ah, Berlin By Night, diableri fest on a meth and her bastard serpent spawnlings, such good times.

>>6750472
"...Samuel Haight found himself in the Shadowlands, and according to the Book of Legions, was soulforged into an ornamental ashtray on a minor Hierarchy functionary's desk, never to be seen again.

At least until Mage: Judgment Day, by Bruce Baugh. In one small scene in the book, one of the characters is buffeted by detritus from the Underworld. One of the items is — you guessed it — an ashtray. "

>>6751522
His deal is that he is a dick. A massive dick.

>>6751601
well, theres the theory that he spawned the baali, and worked the destruction of all his clan

>>6751522
Stole Golconda from the Kuei-jin, thus setting up part of the reason they hate all Cainites.
Created the Bhaali bloodline because he could.
Took over Tremere's body and was manipulating the clan from the inside.
Plenty of other things.

>>6751522
>What's the deal with Saulot?
http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Saulot

>>6751637
Yes. After stealing the secrets of Enlightenment from the kuei-jin. Or was it before? I don't even know. He's just a huge dick.

>>6751650
Before.

He may have also been responsible for the Tremere attempting to destroy the remains of his clan.

>>6751656
He should have a sitcom or something.

>>6751698
Remember that derpy TV show Kindred: The Embraced? :D

Also. Here's some more derp:

H.R. Giger was a slave to the Nephandi and his artwork was his insane attempts to describe their lairs.

There is a Changeling ritual that lets the Sidhe of House Balor mind-control a mortal provided they pierce and brand it.

Yeah.

>>6751279
He was also fighting a few random tribes of werewolves, and the Technocracy was firing a supa space laz0r at him throughout the fight.

When it was finally over, there was a giant hole in the spirit world of India. FUCK YER.

Man, I read the Mokole (think were-alligators, where the werewolf form is a T-Rex) tribe book once.

Someone at White Wolf had a seriously unhealthy fixation on lizard sex.

>>6751871
>Sidhe
>Balor
In the real legends those were enemy factions, the latter being an individual fomorian.
But whatever. Carry on.

A Tzimisce NPC I saw once ghouled twenty random people, then used fleshcrafting to join them all anus-to-throathole, and combined the decapitated heads into one massive ball of gnashing teeth and jaws.

That + cheetoes = puke break, brb.

>>6751985
White Wolf *did* not do the research in a LOT of cases. At least they got some *names* right here.

Oh yeah. You got stat gains for being mommy/daddy to a true mokole. (Basically, for each kid, get +1 dot to one skill/attribute Permanently)

For the master lizard race secretly controlling the world!

>>6751747
Unfortunately, yes.

Even I couldn't watch more than 2 episodes, it was so horrible.

Lets see...in Werewolf, you had a tribe of drunken Irish werewolves with the ability to make enchanted booze, and on Saint Patricks day would go about in Crinos form, after dying their fur green, and parade around the town raiding taverns for booze.

Actually, that almost sounds like a good antagonist...

>>6752150
>protagonist
Fixed.

Heh...more derp. Rage Across the Amazon had watercolor tattoos in it to put on your face while you were playing the ame. Plus advertisements for "Save the wolves in alaska" in the middle of it, very derp backgrounds for all the badguys (One Pentex member was a stand-up comedian who the Spirals thought was funny, so they became his private army), AND it had Samuel Haight.

Derp to go all around.

What effects can Golconda have in oWoD?

>>6752289
WW had some odd takes on stand up comedy.

Teabagging a tampon, as an example.

>>6750414

12th century TRAGIC BACKSTORY Spanish lesbian ninja sorceress vampire that turns into a "shadow angel". I am not making this up.

>>6752644
You lose the cap to your Attributes/Abilities/Disciplines, lose a blood point once a week instead of nightly, and that's about it.

You're not -nice-. You're just not stuck with the Curse.

Argh, I'm still waiting for my answers.

What secrets did Grandmother have in her Memory Tower, and how was she stopped?

what book did the powers you have in game become real powers come from ???

>>6751052
He eventually died, returned as a wraith, and was made into a trinket.

>>6752759
Who was Grandmother ?

>>6750472
>>6751596
A fitting end for the guy.

>>6752823
The Grand Maw, from Orpheus. Basically the seat of Oblivion.

>>6752857
Was she stopped by a simple command?

>>6752857
Ohhhh, ok. Thank you.

>>6752877
You ask her nicely not to devour reality and she goes back to sleep.

>4) Savage Genitals. You could be a mutant with a 14-inch dick, with arms on said dick, dual-wielding pistols.
My penis is so big it has a penis, and it's penis is bigger then yours!

>>6751946
Mokole you more or less choose your "true form". Like a three-headed T-Rex with velociraptor tongue.

>>6752912
Why would it listen to you?

>>6752773
Those powers came from Subsidiaries: Guide to Pentex. Other powers can be found in Possessed: A Player's Guide.

>>6752759
Also, she's hiding Abel in that tower.

Yes, -that- Abel.

>>6752912
Because if she doesn't you pour pure life-stuff down her throat until she implodes.

It either makes her too full to care at the moment or destroys her. It's left vague for a reason.

>>6750633
It's not impossible to hit things. It's rather easy. It's just hard to kill something in one hit.

The metaplot is also better, because the old one is to retarded to even consider playing.

>>6753137
So, let me get this straight: You threaten to force feed her if she doesn't comply. And if you do force feed her, she just goes back to sleep.

Wow. Just..... wow.

>>6753163
She's the Grand Maw, the ever hungry mouth that gnaws at the root of the world. What the fuck else do you think you can do?

>>6753184
Hmm, that's a good point. Of course, the question of how the fuck you get all of that life energy comes to mind.

Oh, and WHY THE HELL WOULD THE WORLD EATING ENTITY HIDE FREAKING ABEL IN A MEMORY TOWER?

>>6753210
He's the path through which the life-energy would go through; he could open up a hole between any place to travel through. She was using him as a method of shunting her spectres about.

>>6753048
Thank you.
And can anyone provide me with a download link for Possessed: A Player's Guide. I found the pentex one in /rs/

>>6753249
So, let me get this straight: Abel of Abel and Caine fame can create wormholes, while his brother is the original vampire?

Next thing, you'll be telling me Adam and Eve were lightning shooting mummies that rode chariots pulled by horses made of fire.

>>6753275
No, they weren't.

Not as far I can tell.

>>6753265

http://rapidshare.com/files/20535289/WOD_-_Werewolf_-_The_Apocalypse_-_Possessed_-_A_Player_s_Guide.
pdf

Here you go. I personally enjoyed this book as the metaplot is relatively light, and there are a *lot* of options in it, plus the rules can be easily modified for non-possessed mutants/planetouched/awakened animals/etc.

>>6752912
>>6753084
>>6753137
>>6753163
>>6753184
>>6753210
>>6753249
That's it, I need a download link for End Game.

>>6753275
According to Demon, Adam and Eve were both abject idiots and were quite content to go off somewhere and struggle to build a new farm.

>>6753366
Oh, thank God. At least that's one loose end tied up.

>>6753275
Abel was the first wraith and comes back in the vamp end times book to protect Caine...

>>6753336
Thanks, I really appreciate your help.

I see plenty of Derp in this thread, but what about Herp?

>>6753416
Speaking of that book, I feel that Wormwood is a good scenario.

THIS WHOLE THREAD OPENED MY EYES (again)

thats why i love you /tg/

>>6753446
Any scenario that involves all of the WoD being set on fire is a good one.

Christ, I remember when the official New Bremen chat went through that god damn thing. PISSED OFF PLAYERS EVERYWHERE!

"... wait, what do you mean that Set eats us all?"
"My character's turned in to WHAT?"

My thinblood anarch technically won the Gehenna outcome, turned human, Awakened, and then proceeded to head off through the Underworld to bring back all of his friends with a pocket full of the ashes of the two or three other vampires that didn't make it. So that they'd get in to Heaven as well.

>>6753478
That is seriously awesome.

>>6753357
Does anybody have a link?

>>6753478
images/1258522384851.jpg

>>6753498
>>6753514
He beat that Gargoyle with True Faith at a game of poker as well. The cards were made out of the bibles that he scrounged up in the church they were stuck in.

The gargoyle was not pleased when he found out.

>>6753530
He beat Ferox in a game of poker? I don't even know how you got him to start playing.

>>6753552
who's Ferox ?

>>6753552
Said that if God was really watching and judging them, then there's nothing better then a bunch of undead monsters sitting around playing a friendly game to pass the time for him to see.

>>6753582
>better then
Why not in English?

>>6753582
You. are. AWESOME.

>>6753593
Because he was a Croatian immigrant turned pusher turned unwilling thinblood. That was exactly how he put it.

is the changeling Book of Storyteller Secrets the one the gargoyles come from or is there a vampire Book of Storyteller Secrets as well ? If there is a vamp one could a link maybe show up please ?

On another note: Since old World of Darkness has a bloated canon, has anyone tried to cram it into the same game, even when it doesn't normally work out?

>>6753645
has anyone put all the canon into one book or even all the canon from one game into one book ? I would read them all, no matter how much it turned out to be.

>>6753660
I don't think they have.

>>6753744
so the only way to read all the canon is to read all the game books, or would you have to read the novels to ?

Ah yes, this one slipped my mind until just now.

Anyone remember that one Black Dog novel that actually delved in to the sex lives of vampires? Where a vampire made a guy rape the corpse of what she thought was his sister and whisper in his ear that if he does a good enough job he'll get to fuck another corpse that'll enjoy it more?

Many of the events of novels get rementioned the books. After awhile, it becomes tldr anyway. It's taking the juicy bits (Such as the Killer Commie Werewolves from Outer Space) which is fun.

>>6753804
Also, I think this is the one where Vykos gets pregnant.

>>6753630
....I know that gargoyles were stated in a vampire book (I want to say core, but I have a feeling that's wrong).
Dunno if it was where it showed up originally, though nor do I have any copy/link/whatever to help you with your problem.

So, I'm pretty much just wasting your time in text form.

>>6753814
Hmmm... I'm at a pretty boring place in my life at the moment, and I would in fact read all the canon if I had a way to do so, I have everything that came our for hunter, but next to nothing for the other games. I was the only one in my group that played hunter so I never had the other books.

>>6753582
How did you interact with Alia?

>>6753864
He was uncertain about her; he was 14th Generation and we were using the Time of Thinblood rules so he was still battling against the urges.

He told her that part of him wanted to tie her down and use her as an emergency blood supply for when things got bad (he was the first to realize that they were still burning blood, just not as quickly) but that he didn't like that part all that much. She found out that his grandfather had been Muslim and was constantly chiding his attempts at figuring out what was going to happen by equating it to how telling the future was against his faith.

He also handed her a pistol he'd smuggled in and told her to aim for the head if and when he finally lost it.

>>6753831
Gargoyles were an invention by the Tremere and are mentioned in their books and I believe the Guide to the Camarilla.

Another bizarro book was Bygone Beastiary, which let you create anything from talking sheep, to mercreatures. What made it bizarre was there was a brass dragon whose realm was all mechanical. (A void dragon so to speak).

Also, don't forget the Iteration X following Autochtonia.

Machine god my foot!

So suggestions on the best way to get the best out of the canon ? I have to step out for about 45 minutes. Don't let this thread die!!

rolled 1, 3, 1, 1 - 8 = -2

>Also, don't forget the Iteration X following Autochtonia.

>Machine god my foot!

this is sorted out in Technocracy Revised and Convention Book: Iteration X Revised.

Here's the Oath of the Enchanted Servant, aka the Oath of Gorean Mind Control.

I used to buy every book WW would print. It wasn't until they ended the line that I broke my nerd addiction.

Yeah, metaplot was fucked up.

The world was divided into different spiritual states which specialized in different supernatural creatures each with their own powers with all of them concurrently sharing the same space.

I believe once you figured out the reproduction rates of werewolves, the ratio of vampire to humans in the major cities, the chances of turning into a changeling, mage, mummy...etc there weren't many humans left.

>>6754541

Pretty much like Buffy, eh?

>>6754541
There were about 20,000 werewolves in the game, 200,000 vampires. So about 200,000 kinfolk, maybe 1 million ghouls. I don't know the Changeling/Mage numbers, but this almost sounds like 1 in 600 people as supernaturals...

>>6755026
You're forgetting all of the African and Asian vampires.

>>6755176
the kei-jin had about the same as kindred, while the kindred of the ebony kingdom were.....honestly, it felt like vampire didnt like africa much. like we tried to forget about it. id say about 2,000.

>>6755229
The point is that there are probably 1 in 300 are supernaturals (Or in the case of certain werewolves/vampires, they never existed to begin-with so fall outside population census)

>>6755277
>>6755229
>>6755026
Also, each and every rat is, in fact, a Ratkin kinfolk. And one in ten Ratkin kinfolk can survive the Infection to become a Ratkin.

>>6755229
NONE of the oWoD books dealt with Africa much. the werehyenas were barely mentioned.

rolled 3, 2, 3, 1 - 8 = 1

>>6755026

I don't know Changeling but Mage numbers is way way lower. I don't remember officially but it is something like 6,000.

>>6755277
i think that it would be about 1 in 1000. i know that caine put population caps in place, never folowed, but still the idea was there.

>>6755308
Point. Ratkin are pretty much Skaven anyway, what with their Engineers, Night Runners (err, Tunnel Runners), Grey...Shadow Seers, Plaguelords, etc.

>>6754178
The thread is archived. Remember that the fluff is mutable, mainly because it contradicts itself half the time anyway. That said, the best thing is to make your players *feel* like they're making a difference. If they're stuck doing go-fer missions while the hundreds of Canon Sues are pulling off magnificent bastard schemes behind their back, of course the game is going to fail.

Note not all supers know everything else about metaplot anyway. For instance, Garou would generally not know about Inconnu or the Black Hand, Kindred about the Umbra. So be smart about it.

Or play another game system. =P

>>6755440
I FUCKING LOVE TWITCHERS!

"Fuck your ability to make Klaives! I'm going to make a Klaive chainsaw! AND IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME!"

>>6756127
a twitcher ? a wererat I take it ? What was the number of hunters, like imbued hunters ?

>>6756127
Twitchers were one of the Freak breeds of the Ratkin and were completely Wyld tainted. As in, crush everything around you and laugh at its remains tainted. All of their Gifts were built around either causing riots or setting shit on fire. You couldn't pick them out in a crowd because you couldn't hold the memory of them in your face.

As for Hunters, they were rapidly growing, mostly thanks to Zombies showing up but were a novelty. If I recall correctly the Kindred expected for the Hunters to outnumber them in like a decade.

>>6756317
I loved the idea of hunters, I really liked how their position in the world was just constantly fucked. But you could make a kick ass character if you could find a way to co-exist with the supernatural races even on a minor scale.

>>6756317
any links for the ratkin book ?

>>6756406
>But you could make a kick ass character if you could find a way to co-exist with the supernatural races even on a minor scale.

That's not the point of a Hunter. A Hunter is, in fact, driver to wreck shit belonging to other Supernaturals. It's what Conviction is for. They're disposable - there will always be more Imbued.

>>6756508
but the option to co-exist was there with the redeemers, a hunter could given the chance direct their hate and conviction towards monsters they felt "deserved" it and pass over those they chose to

>>6756550
Redeemers are one of the weirdest of the Creeds and are the ones most likely to destroy another supernatural for giving in, just for a moment, to their baser urges.

I did get the feeling that whatever it was doing the Imbuing was experimenting to see which of the different Creeds would work the best though.

>>6756603
the different houses of angel were going about imbuing as they each saw fit. It's in the fallen books

>>6756603
yeah, almost EVERY FUCKING STORY involving a redeemer, involves the redeemer causing a friendly monster to commit suicide.

>>6756892
Cite that shit. I never saw anything like that.

I could only get about 3/4 of the way through this thread before the amount of derp overloaded my brain.

>>6756968
Lucifer himself explains it, once creatures start seeing him during the endtimes stuff

i love you /tg/

>>6757356
Thats hardly a citation

Has a link for Endgame shown up yet?

>>6756415

http://rapidshare.com/files/20548779/WOD_-_Werewolf_-_The_Apocalypse_-_Ratkin.pdf

Here you go. Whoever wrote them was either insane, a future fatguy, or both. Among their many spirits they can summon include electric rat-spirits called Freakachu which can cause glitches in electronic systems, usually requiring odd cures (Really, it likes when I pray to the machine).

"NONE of the oWoD books dealt with Africa much. the werehyenas were barely mentioned."

Actually, that was the explicit purpose of Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom. It's my favourite OWoD book, not because it's good (it isn't), but because I remember when WoD Gypsies came out. There was a huge backlash and accusations of racism, and a lot of people said "What's next? WoD: Negroes?".

>>6759648
Do you mean Kithbook Eshu, aka the Magical Negro Changelings who enter a persons life, mysteriously change it for good or ill, then disappear? They're prone to wearing turbans or having magic carpets too...

ITT: We learn White Wolf is racist.

>>6759670
No, KotEK was one of the last books released. It was basically "Africa has vampires! They're pretty much the same as Western vampires, but they have funny names for everything and a silly tribal society. Poor backwards savages!"

I was just waiting for them to point out that you could induce Rotschreck with a flaming cross on the lawn, really.

>>6759704
Wait...was this "poor backwards savages" mindset written from an author perspective, or a Kindred Perspective? If the second one, that makes sense, considering *everyone* stereotypes everyone else in oWoD.

Case in point being Werewolf. Uktena and Wendigo people have this whole angst about the Americas being the Pure Lands prior to the other Garou coming along. The others think both are full of themselves...Hatred all around.

Really, the only nonhaters seem to be the Redeemer creed, Children of Gaia, Gurahl, and some Mokole. Maybe some idealist Technocrats, rare though they may be in this day and age...

>>6759797
Seemed to be author, though they tried to cop out behind character. For example, the ruling elite tended to be the Brujah, Tzimisce, or Nosferatu. So any African lord was either a thug who wanted to beat you up, a monster who wanted to warp your flesh, or a hideous sewer-dwelling mutant freak.

Way to show cultural diversity there, White Wolf.

>>6759810
Again, White Wolf is rruscist. Case in point, this little blurb from The Chaos Factor.

That's right. Mexican Technocrats suffer from laziness and greed. Fuck you, White Wolf.

Dont even get me started on Nazi-Vampires and Were-wolves. Goddamit WW.

>>6759856

Forgot mah pic.

I find all of this to be insanely humorous. Is there any more owod derpness?

This thread made me nostalgia like a motherfucker.

Here's the statline for Samuel Haight. See why people hated him?

>6759887
Basically, everything before Revised was derpness. Revised somewhat scaled it back.

What about the character Lucita? She was created by Justin Achilli who constantly ranted about powergaming and derpness. Who was Lucita you ask? Why, she was a Lasombra Antitribu lesbian assassin of course.

>>6759833
And Asian technocrats are cunning and deceitful, and inherently hostile to those fooish roundeyes.

>>6759958
For that matter all kinds of weeabooary. Everything asian was automatically wiser in WW, and the round eyes never "got it".

I don't have the splatbook with me and I don't have a scan, but one of the Toreador splatbook contained an archetype that was basically "Todd McFarlane's sudden change of personality and overall work ethic is due to him becoming a vampire".
Which basically also means "Toreadors believe that Rob Liefeld comics are high art."
>>6759981
Was that why "Kindred of the East" was a banned phrase at my college's RPG club?

>>6759958
Oh dear...

So many idiotic stereotypes. This was written by japanophiles and white supremacists. Who then killed each other, using their blood to place a powerful curse on the book in question causing anyone who reads it to turn into a japanophile member of the KKK.

The above is OWOD quality plot ladies and gentlemen. White Wolf really needs to hire me as a writer! ^-^

>>6760022
That, and KotE was seriosuly broken. As in "At middling levels of experience, the sun is a mild annoyance, I don't need to drink blood, and I can throw out something like 20 levels of agg damage a round".

>>6760031
I remember that the Japanese technocrats hd top secret vending machines for Tass...yeah, not racist at all. (Vending Machines for everything).

>>6760059
That's not a racist stereotype. That's an actual thing that Japan has. Next you'll be saying it's racist that Japanese technocrats are asian.

>>6760037
Celerity.

And that's all I have to say about that.

OH HEY LOOK AN OLD WORLD OF DARKNESS THREAD THIS IS AWESOME

>only talk about Vampire

FUCK YOU GUYS.

>>6760037

I recently read KotE, and I couldn't stop facepalming. When a book recommends fucking Ninja Scroll for learning about Japan and Asian vampires, you know you're in trouble.

>>6760120

It's not like anyone seriously played anything else.

>>6760136

>HHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRR

>>6750414

Changeling with 22 health levels?

Tell me more.The Changelings always seemed like they got the short end of the stick and just existed to get slapped around by everything else in the universe

>>6760128

But the disciplines and stuff are fun. You gotta realize just how horrible oWoD is and take it as the Gonzo failtrain it is.

>>6760143

u mad?

>>6760161
I'd extrapolate that HE is mad, because god damn I am. Was still fairly obvious though, also would not rage again. 5/10.

>>6760178
Hey, the only thing I remember from non-Vampire oWoD is the Street Fighter RPG and Monkeywrench, that one book for Werewolf that claimed to be a sourcebook on Pentex but really was an incredibly railroaded adventure that offered no stats for any character encountered and no maps for the locations visited.

>>6760147
I, too, would like to learn more about building a better Changeling. They seem like they could use some good min-maxing.

>>6760266

I'd like to start World of Darkness from scratch. Such a prime setting but no balance whatsoever.

oWod is best played like buffy, tongue-in-cheek clusterfuck of madness and horror followed by the crippling introspection of its real life consequences.

While nWod is better rounded to suit the ST's needs it seems to overestimate their capabilities, if we could write the plot of the next Tim Burton movie I think we would have.

>take it as the Gonzo failtrain it is.
ALL ABOARD THE FAILBOAT

This thread is why I think those "HERP, OWOD ONLY, FINAL DESTINATION" faggot trolls are fucking hilarious.

>>6760266
The odd thing about it was as derp as old Changeling was, it actually had a good take on Arts and Realms.

Basically, you took Arts (What you can do powerwise), and Realms (what can you affect with a power). So Pyretics, combined with the Nature, Scene and Time Realms, could give a Delayed Blast Fireball.

So if you're going to munchkin a Changeling, put all your Realms dots into Fae (affecting Changelings/objects of the Dreaming, etc. Meaning yourself). Put 3 dots in the art Primal. With Freebies, up the art Infusion to two.

Basically, both of these are health-buffers. Primal is Stamina Based (So roll Stamina+Fae to activate Oakenshield. Each success grants an extra Chimerical Health Level); this is basically a *fortify HP* ability.

Infusion is based off intelligence. The level 2 effect with it Toughen, for every 2 successes grants you an additional *PERMANENT* Chimerical HP and -1 difficulty to resist Banality (What is this Banality you speak of?).

Having a craptton of artificial HP that you only imagine as an otherkin...now Invoke the Wyrd. Laugh as you tank up damage that would fell lesser mortals.

>>6760302
Hrm. What system would you use for oWoD? Personally, I am partial to using BESM instead (Far more streamlined, combat actually means something, etc).

That said and done...some stuff is just plain silly. Pic related, its from Rage Across the Amazon.

Next let's do Advanced Derps and Dragons.

>>6760641
Hehe, oWOD is like gothic horor One Piece. It has everything at it's all over the top all the time.

On another note...EVERYONE had slaves (except perhaps the hunters or Mummies).

Kindred had their Ghouls, bloodbonds, and S&M.

Garou had their kinfolk (breeding stock in a lot of cases), and Kin could take Masochist as a flaw. (They *like* the pain)

Mages had Consors, and way too many ways to use mind magic.

Demons had Thralls.

Everything in Wraith was made of slaves.

Changeling had Enchanted Humans (and the aforementioned rite of nipple piercing mind control)...

So yeah...

Also, here is the final fate of Black Dog Game Studios, from the Time of Judgement Apocalypse book.

>>6761077

What can I say? Fucking genius.

>>6761077
The origins of these mutant Black Dog roleplayers.

I've just read this thread and I don't even understand a tenth of what has been said.

In short. FUCKYOU/TG/

>>6761077
The Black Dog descriptions were awesome parodys.

>>6760037
Wait, what? How?

>>6761471
Yang imbalance

Man, don't forget the retarded that was oWoD Mage. I have some copypasta from an old thread in case someone wants it.

>>6761077

Bwahahahaha, self-parody at it's best.

The other broken character type was Risen. Or better yet, a duo of two Risen. Give them both a dot in puppetry, a dot in Lifeweb or Inhabit (Both are good, Lifeweb for Fetter bonuses, Inhabit for the technomancy). Get Castigate to keep your Shadow down (useful if you design your Spectre to have Shadow Attribute: Dex. Enjoy your bursts of +5 Dexterity). A LOT of really good bonuses are out there. Usury lets you drain life, Pandemonium lets you gain supercelerity and other cool stuff. Flux lets you wear superdurable armor (Enjoy +10 soak to your Riot Gear; note you can stack this on top of Fortitude). Risen, done right, are sickengly powerful.

TVTropes I think has the best derp message about oWOD

In the oWoD, science is generally associated with the principle of Stasis, which serves as a sort of Well Intentioned Extremist to the Complete Monster that is Entropy - it's not actually evil, but if it gets its way it will remove change from the world and steal everyone's freedom. This idea gets a bit jarring at times, since science has historically been responsible for most of the changes to human society, and those changes has resulted in the average person having far more freedom and choice than ever before. Conversedly, the default heroes in the games that has this theme (mainly Mage, Werewolf and Changeling) are assumed to represent the freedom-loving, change-embracing principle of Dynamism - despite being members of extremely hierarchal societies that hasn't changed for the last several thousand years.

>japanese anime
>gun-wielding phalli

Agreed...White Wolf's Luddite tendencies are starting to grate on the nerves a bit. They've been a bit better about it with nWoD, but goddamn. Remember oWoD Mage? Remember in the Gehenna book how they wrote about how a clone doesn't have a soul in that "of COURSE it doesn't!" sort of tone? Goddamn.


Christ, yes.

Remember old changeling? Accepting that the real world doesn't work on dream logic is TERRIBLE and LOSS OF INNOCENCE. Growing up is succumbing to banality!

Remember old werewolf? Industry and technology were THE DEVIL. Factories RAPE MOTHER EARTH.

Of course, the most blatant, archetypal example was old mage. Science was, basically, the enemy. It was not only wrong, but evil. Examining the evidence and coming to a consensus about how the world worked was a plot by the MAN to KEEP US DOWN. The discoveries made and shared by generations of scientists, the search for truth, understanding, and mastery, the acceptance that the world doesn't work like you initially accepted and is sometimes downright counter intuitive... the courage and intelligence to embrace all that and see the wonder in it... all TOOLS OF OPPRESSION.

Fuck you, White Wolf.


Shit, yeah. Never mind that in this magical world of fairies and mysticism you were liable to get EATEN by a fucking...well, ANYTHING. White Wolf dropped plenty of shit on the technocracy or the weaver, but goddamn at least they give the average joe a fighting chance against the monsters. It's kind of funny how they inadvertently made the antagonists more attractive than the heroes. Solipsistic power trips vs the collective good.

This is why I played Technocracy and Hunter.

>>6763074

One thing i never understood is the christian mythos and the werewolf ones. Is Gaia related to God or what?

>>6763074
Here is the thing. I was always the type to run a game in a manner where you played members of one of these self-absorbed societies...only with the assumption that the *players* in question would notice the fallacious thinking in many such mindsets (especially when it boils down to A Wizard Did it), and slowly start subverting the power structure.

Stuff like playing Glass Walkers in Werewolf ("Um...technology is not necessarily evil guys?"), etc.

>>6763108
It contradicts itself a bit, I think Demon said that Gaia was supposed to be one of God's most important servants in creating the universe or so.

That said, here is the Asian Changeling Kith called the Nyan. Guess what *they* are?

This thread is pretty much why I play nWoD.

>>6759519
Thank you muchly

>>6763108
No idea. White wolf never knew, and never said.
Werewolf Mythos: the wyld, the Wyrm, and the Weaver. Mokole have this wierd ancestral memory thing. They remember when the wyrm went crazy, because they were there. they remember how gaia was made by the wyld, the wyrm, and the weaver, and the remember how the weaver took the critters of the wyld and gave one, humans, technology, giving them a leg up over humans. In "The Silver Record", we learn that the weaver took it's most beloved human, and made him immortal (this is caine). The wyrm saw this and went "OH SHI-" and ate caine to keep the weaver from having an unfair advantage. caine lived on in the wyrm, and got real hungry, so he bit the wyrms stomach. This unhealing injury made the wyrm crazy, and the blood tainted caine, turning him into the first vampire.

Kindred Mythos: Caine is cain of the bible. god cursed him to live forever. there are many hints and fragments of documents proving this.

Demon Mythos: The christian god made everything. he made the world. The demons were there, they saw it. they remember the truth. (Just like the mokole?)


The conflicts in the fluff hurt so much.

>>6763407

really? this thread is why i hate nwod.

>>6763471

So the Wyrm is the biblical God. That actually makes some sense.

>>6759946

I love you /tg/

>>6763471
See, this is why I liked the Wraith fluff. It was the most internally consistent out of all of them.

Did anyone ever try those "mass combat" rules they stuck into Changeling?

anyone have the chaos factor pdf ?

>>6763651
They had the mass combat rules in Rage Across the Amazon. oWoD combat is clunky enough as it stands so attempting the mass-combat system would be hideously counter-intuitive.

Should we start another thread discussing the stuff that was *good* about oWoD? Or put it in here? Personally, I think Doomslayers: Into the Labyrinth was an awesome book for Wraith.

>>6755026

between 2-10k mages total.

>>6763770
I'm for a new thread, since this one appears to be auto-saging now:
>>6764015