Can you post a tl;dr of where the crossover ended? I thought it had simply completed.

>>13214845
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=eclipse%20phase

knock yourself out....


Some consider the batarian spectre/council elevation too much ...

others that the quarian fuck is silly...

and many others...

I could paste the stuff from the previous mesh threads. Fuck it, I'm doing it.

"It's been thirty years since the first contact war when the turians attacked us; and since we proved ourselves less than easy prey."

"Through our war, and the display of our strength, we earned the ears and eyes of the galaxy. The next time the council races came, they came with diplomats. They were willing to talk, to listen to us. So, we told them of ourselves, our struggles, and warned them of the TITANs. We were honest, direct, and offered a hand of peace."

"Through this, we earned for ourselves a prison."

"An easily circumvented and increasingly porous prison, but a prison nonetheless. Every mass relay leading out of the Transhuman Exclusion Zone is patrolled by the Turian's fleet- which has been rebuilding since the ass kicking we delivered in 2157. Salarian STG and council specters move through our space with impunity, on missions of 'peace,' patrolling to see if we'll slip up."

"Not that it really bothers me of course. They're all so backward I can't help but pity them in a way. If push comes to shove, they'll crumble. But nonetheless, I'm not the only one irritated at being locked up in here, with our hands tied waiting for the TITANs or the exsurgent virus to finish us all off. Autonomists, corps, hell, even the Jovians are all clamoring for the TEZ to be breached."

"So. On to the main topic then: how to break out of prison."

-Captain Donnel Udina, Systems Alliance Xenospecialist

"The Turian peacekeeping fleet is currently ballooning to unsustainable levels. Whatever trauma that the Turians felt after the war with humanity has blinded them to reason and logic."

"43 dreadnoughts have been manufactured, with a further seventeen planned. The Hierarchy claims that with the new reports of geth infringing on the Terminus systems, that war is inevitable and they should be ready, but they simply do not understand the fact that their fleet will strain the already limited supplies of element zero to their very limits."

"Oh sure, of course the turian projections show that they have enough to cover engine and barrier needs for their fleet- ignoring, of course, the increased drain that mines and transports will put on that. You spend element zero to get element zero, councilor, I don't need to remind you of the panic of 2170."

"Why go to you? Well, though I represent a subject species of the Hierarchy, we are also mindful of our position in council. We always try to do our best to ensure that citadel space's economy functions after all- we take our responsibilities very seriously."

"Why yes, thank you. I would be only too glad to discuss this proposal further in the Tower. My people shall be very pleased. The files, along with all keys to necessary sources, shall be forwarded to your office immediately."

-Din Korlack, Volus Ambassador to the Citadel

"It's fair to say that humanity is the greatest threat we've ever faced."

"Please, don't look at me like that. I'm well aware of what people have often said of my tendency for hyperbole, but Sintsani can take his smug insinuations and burst his eyes with for all I care, I've BEEN in Sol, and I can tell right now that the only way to get across the amount of worry that the humans fill me with would be to report in person screaming at the top of my lungs."

"We requested access on behalf of the Citadel Society for the Preservation of Enkindler Sites- bullshit, I realize, but then again, they did too. They wanted to avoid slighting us- probably out of a sense of patronizing pride come to think of it."

"In any case, we managed to get through the Charon relay just fine. Had biomorphs escorting us the whole way. We're making our way through to Mars- their fourth planet from the star. That's their main prothean ruin. The whole time, they're pointing out station after station, site after site. They've filled their solar system almost to capacity. Remember the krogan? Remember our worries with the genophage breaking down? This is NOTHING compared to the krogan. The krogan need planets after all- right well, I'm getting to that."

>>13215003

"We're in orbit around Mars when suddenly, one of the humans gets a bright idea. 'Let's show them Earth,' he says. They explain on the way there, that it's there homeworld, the loss, all of that-"
"The before and after is atrocious. I don't know how else to say it, other than...Well, it looked like a Prothean ruin. A civilization at its height, beyond ours even- I recall seeing an orbital elevator- just...Devastated. What was once green and blue, a picturesque garden world now like Tuchanka, or Feros."

"We knew this, I know. But it's their reactions. The way they were stating it. Having seen the technology they hold, and the attitude they have, I think it's quite clear what they were telling me."

"'Here is our birthplace, our creche. Our homeworld, that we spent four thousand years praising and admiring for its beauty. We have rendered it to ash and ruin. What do you think we'll do to your homes that we know nothing, and care not a whit for?'"

"They're showing us warnings sir. But I'm positive that we're not getting the full picture here. They're hiding something. And I worry that they're not trying particularly hard because they want a reason to act against us."

"Of course I'm sure we'll win. I'm just not sure if I'm willing to pay the price that will mean our victory."

"I recommend follow up missions of course. But only the very best, and with the very quietest."

-Captain Milon, Salarian STG

"The recent spate of human style clothing and accessories that has taken the galaxy by storm has been spear headed by asari designer Nyxsoni; who anticipated the radical cultural shift of the galaxy to her credit and fame: despite criticisms from more conservative corners of the galaxy, the famously eccentric designer is flippant and unashamed."

"'The real core of these slights does not offend me; it's directed at the galaxy at large. Who can not feel sympathy for the human, for her situation? Bound by the minds of lessers afraid of her potential, and wishing to break free. If someone has a problem with my designs, I would suggest they direct their complaints to the people. I haven't been buying my own clothes here.'"

"Ouch! That was the famous designer, Nyxsoni, whose new line 'PostSentient' comes out next financial quarter. Meanwhile, in the Terminus Systems-"

-Council Galactic News

A Mass Effect/Eclipse Phase crossover is a pretty shitty idea, because of the insane gap in power and tech level between the settings. I mean, Mass Effect has uploaded consciousnesses and body swapping as a routine thing.

"We lost the first contact war with humanity."

"This is a truth that must be acknowledged."

"Despite our history, despite the Hierarchies many services to the Council and the galaxy, despite saving them from the krogan: doubt permeates."

"The reason, councilor, that we are building so many dreadnoughts is not in preparation of war, or to scramble for wounded pride- it is to regain the confidence of the galaxy. To us falls the burden of being the military arm of a council designed to defuse military conflict, to protect a galaxy that has put war behind it."

"The reason peace is kept is because of the unspoken promise that those that breach the peace shall face the might of the undefeated Turian Fleet- well, once, undefeated."

"So. Let us build our obsolete models. Let us have our military parades, let us stamp our feet and beat our chests for a time. Let us think, and hope that this pain, this stain, this failure on our part can fade away, before we are tested again."

"Because either way, I promise you, we will be better prepared next time."

-Councilor Valen, representative of the Turian Hierarchy upon the Council

Eclipse Phase crossing over with Mass Effect is stupid as all get out, that is the reason why there was such a backlash against it.

>>13215017

You probably meant to say Eclipse Phase. Read the fluff, it's not all cherries and pies.


"Accordingly, in recognition of the batarians and their many contributions to the galactic community in the past 2000 years, we, the council, hereby recognize Commander Xepard, sworn of the Hegemony, as an agent of the Special Tactics and Reconnaissance branch of the council, and granted all the powers necessary to complete your duties."

"You are called at a dire time- the galaxy is on the brink, your own world of Tumaat Prime, attacked and ravaged by the Geth. Transhumans test the TEZ daily, resulting in a burgeoning black market for forbidden technologies. The one sent to supervise and assist you, Nihlus, dead by a mysterious assailant's hand. Xepard, you are the first of your kind made a spectre, and we hope you'll be able to prove the strength and intelligence of the batarians in service to the galactic peace."

"I assure you, there shall be no shortage of opportunities to prove yourself."

-Council, speaking at the selection of Xepard as spectre, after disproving geth or batarian involvement in the death of Spectre Nihlus.

>>13215026

Yeah, I did mean that. Apologies for the derp. I still don't think it can be anything other than EP humanity curbstomping everyone else.

Questions:
1 What state should humanity be it? AF 10? Before Fall? Interstelar holdings?

2 No Mass effect/Eezo or with Mass effect/Eezo?


these are the most basic questions as they feature heavy raep on EP fluff which will proced to raep or be raeped depending on votes and hot it is executed

>>13215036

Well it needs to be limited, on that we agree, otherwise we'd just overwhelm the entire galaxy using infowar tech and Reaper bots. The fluff of the one shouldn't overlap too much into the other. For instance the resleeving part would stay, the TEZ [Transhuman Exclusion Zone] would also be there, but alas I am not a writefagg with sufficient imagination to write an entirely new setting up even when using two that are known to me. One of the things that nobody mentioned in this mash-up is what happens with the infogees? The ones who got their egos uploaded while still feeling Earth when the TITANs went insane, but didn't get a body as there weren't enough to go around.

>>13215023
We don't care.
Carry on.

>>13215116
Yep, that must be why there were two massive shitstorms that killed development off.

>>13215086
TEZ cannot be enforced by Council if transhumans get to be united over it.

Best to handle Transhuman would be in a Geth-ish way... without the open hostility

say, aster the war all explored systems by the council in which they can project force and or hold property is citadel space,

as EP forces were without Eezo/just learning EP players/characters can travel in citadel space as they would have diplomatic imutity unless they actively go against Coucil law, like turning AI's loose or activating relays...


Meanwhile most of the EP Transhuman powers have gone to explore the close by systems as anything liked by relay is most likely coucncil playground, and to not incur MAD ( both sides are terrified) they stay out of everyone's soup.

This way you get only ME PC's going into the Transhuman sphere and only EP PC's going into Coucil and ME relay network ( major NPC's also)

>Post scarcity
>Fairly grounded space opera
One of these things is not like the other.
>TEZ [Transhuman Exclusion Zone]
How. How do you do that. The EP universe is so advanced over the Me one that there is no practical way to have a TEZ.

>>13215086

The Reapers wouldn't have allowed humanity to reach such a level of technological superiority that's seen in EP. Even the geth, who being a synthetic gestalt consciousness compute infomation much faster than any Citadel race does, don't have much in the way of EP-level technology.

>>13215127
you know that this way a ME char/PC or a EP char/PC without a alienmorph willl stick out like a soar thumb, automaticaly gaining the trait
> Social stigmata Mk IX
until they leave the place they are not supposed to be in or make the necessary ideological and bodily changes

>>13215141
Right, because Humans were oh so active on the Mass Relay Network and the Extranet....

Or maybe they staid quietly at home in the Orion arm and have not liked up to the extranet....

>>13215084

AF 10 would be most appropriate. There are not that many people around, IIRC there was only about 500 millions left around when the TITANs finished their work.
As for the Eezo part... I'm not sure what would be good for the fluff. Giving them Eeezo might be a bit too much.

>>13215141

The Geth are not true AI. IIRC, they only gained higher thinking when they were network-combined, even Legions is a combination of over 1.8k various Geth entities. AI in EP is much more powerful, and while many have the obstruction in their programing never allowing them to self-improve to the point of becoming a threat to transhumans, there are others AI who existed before the Fall and are without such restrictions, Project Ozma I think they're called.

>>13215129

Not entirely post-scarcity. They have the infogees, but not enough morphs for them. True, some exist purely as infomorphs and back-ride with other morphs as just an observer. But yeah, I like the idea of TEZ but it's totally unfeasible in actuality. Too many plot holes.

>>13215141

That's one obstacle of creating this mesh-up. It has been suggested in the previous threads that the Reapers would not know of transhumanity's growth as they didn't use Mass Relays up until that point. Also, Pandora Gates... do we keep them or scrap them?

>>13215161

All those planets that you scan in ME1 and ME2 that used to have high-tech civilizations until "some mysterious cataclysm" destroyed them entirely mean nothing to you? Reapers watch the galaxy, and the only way to survive is to follow the technological development steps that the Reapers dictate (mass relay activation and use of the Mass Effect).

>>13215141

The Reapers and ETI from EP can be basically the same thing. They wait until organic life reaches a certain point, then reach out and extinctify the fuck out of it.

The Exsurgent Virus is stage one of their assault on organic life. Stage two is the equivalent of Saren. Stage three is the Collectors. Stage Four is whatever comes in the next game - some mass invasion of Reapers.

>>13215175

A few things in the settings overlap. Pandora Gates and Mass Relays, for instance, both being FTL space transit points. Both are integral to their respective settings but you can't have both in the crossover. I mean, if the Reapers built the Mass Relays, why would they leave another, competing system for FTL travel around? It would disrupt their plans. Also, if there are Mass Relays, why would humanity opt to use Pandora Gates? Mass Relays are reliable and do not cause SAN loss when used.

Then there's the issue of the Reapers and the ETI...

>>13215179

>Reapers watch the galaxy

But how? Most of them are in hybernation in dark-space, while leaving only one to watch over the galaxy. And he only watches out for when the Citadel gets new inhabitants. Those wasted civilizations might have been offed by the Reapers, but they must've used the technology the Reapers themselves left behind [mainly the Mass Relays and use of the Citadel] for them to be detected. How would the Reapers know of a lifeform contained in one or two solar systems which do not use ME tech?

>>13215186

I'd suggest remaking the Exsurgent virus so that instead of making the infected (that don't turn into zombies) into psychics it makes them into biotics. Prior to Exsurgent exposure, mankind had no way to use element Zero.

>>13215204

How can a high-tech civilization in a ME setting develop without using ME/Reaper-known tech?

>>13215199

And we can totally exclude the Factors as they would just confuse things even more. And right you are, not both tech would be viable. Shame we don't know more about the Pandora Gates, but I hope Gatecrashing which is coming out next year explains some things.

>>13215179


Ah.

I see what is wrong. You are based in that happy world of absolute values, theoretical applications and D&D RULES.

In the real world there are few absolute laws, and one in the top is :

It can be fucked up, it will get fucked up; aka nothing is unfailable.

That beeing said there are not soo many dead world planets because Reapers are waching, but because of cullings and because shit happens.

Moreover it is a purpousefull xover in wich one hopes they will stay as much true to origins as possible so ETI wont turn up and infect the whole ME Network and wait for the reapers to give em a few bums on the head for messing their back yard...

Pleas dont drag this into my Deus ex Cthulhu can do better than yours.... enough 40k xovers do that

>>13215204

>But how? Most of them are in hybernation in dark-space, while leaving only one to watch over the galaxy.

Client races such as the Collectors. We don't know how many other Reaper-modified life forms there are around. Also, scanners and probes in a network around the galaxy. Even an inactive mass relay could still function as an information gathering device for the Reapers.

>>13215220

Well, EP use non-ftl drives for space travel. Or did you mean just basic tech, such as their ego-casting, clinical immortality, AR, AI's and the such?

>>13215234

I would refute that with it's never been told in the ME games/books/comic, but then again we are inventing new fluff so why not? Understand I wasn't objecting, but merely seeking enlightenment. And as far as it goes the TITANs going insane would be the work of Reapers, making sure transhumanity doesn't become a threat and simply managing them down. Also, liking the Exsurgent virus turning people into biotics... but would biotics work with [bio]morphs, or only with unaugmented humans such as the Jovians?

>>13215204

Bitch they OWN the Mass Relay network. You know, that lynchpin of galactic civilsation? That's just ONE way they keep an eye on us. You start using Mass Relays, the Reapers start going "hmm, you look tasty!"

Then there are the Collectors, who are made up of everyone the Reapers have ever fucked before.

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This can be done off in a simple way...

There are two networks. Just as there are both Reapers and ETI... they just gotten to an agreement/status quo that they wont interfere in their respective networks and that each plaything from that network is their respective responsibility...
Or reapers may be a for of TITAN's that have contacted the afformentioned, told them about ETI in a long-standing guerilla campaign to save all conciousness from destruction by the ETI and the TITAN's agreed that such is the only salvation for their creators.... que the Fall. There are many networks constructed or subverted for many species as the ETI is a cthulhu like mind... and the Reapers try to steer species towards ME so that they can use their constant superiority over it to do a precise strike now and then and save them.

The TITAN's were a glorious moment of Reaper Recruitment and conciousness saving from a diffrent network ...

>>13215293

Aren't Collectors merely Protheans remolded and reconfigured? I don't recall seeing anywhere the info that the Collectors were anything but Protheans in new flesh. And as I already stated, EP doesn't use MR tech up until the point of encountering the Citadel species.

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This can be done off in a simple way...

There are two networks. Just as there are both Reapers and ETI... they just gotten to an agreement/status quo that they wont interfere in their respective networks and that each plaything from that network is their respective responsibility...
Or reapers may be a form of TITAN's that have contacted the afformentioned, told them about ETI, as they are in a long-standing guerilla campaign to save all conciousness from destruction by the ETI and the TITAN's agreed that such is the only salvation for their creators.... que the Fall. There are many networks constructed or subverted for many species as the ETI is a cthulhu like mind... and the Reapers try to steer species towards ME so that they can use their constant superiority over it to do a precise strike now and then and save them.

The TITAN's were a glorious moment of Reaper Recruitment and conciousness saving from a diffrent network ...

>>13215319

Not JUST Protheans. The Protheans are part of it, sure, but pretty much everything that came before them too.

>>13215293
No, please do not. the only way EP transhumanity wont curbstomp the citadel races and mop the flor with them is without Eezo and numbers like perhaps 200 AF or something...

keep Exugents exugents... a Transhuman only "sickness" so that there is a propaganda against becoming a Transhuman or Transxeno...

If there are biotics there must be Eezo and if there is Eezo there is ME which means....


Lets keep them as close to origin as possible....

I liked the idea of the Reapers actualy saving sentient minds and talking to the TITAN's to do the same, as Transhumans were not designed by ETI to link up with the ME network originally so they could not help...

When the Reapers will come TITAN's will be at their side as weary and suspicious allies to keep transhumans busy.

>>13215322

If you have the two settings coexisting side by side then it's not a crossover, it's just a clusterfuck. Seriously, two different types of elder monstrosities that farm galactic civilizations? The setting's too crowded. And humans as puppets of the ETI against the Citadel races that are puppets of the reapers? Puppets vs puppets don't sit well with me.

>>13215358

Nigga what? EP Exsurgents can read and rewrite people's minds and do all kinds of crazy telepath shit. ME Biotics can... throw stuff. Really hard. The only way to even the playing field even slightly is to replace Exsurgents with Biotics.

>>13215451
only very lucky few...

and one can make Eezo Lethal to those afflicted by non lethal strains of the Exugent...

I have to agree that I think as an RPG, the EP/ME crossover is impossible but as writefaggotry, it is fucking awesome. Will the writefags please finish the stories? I'm not a HFYfag but this one was unusually well done.

tl;dr: CONTAGION and no-confidence-bro, quite mucking around, come back and finish off your damn story.

How about Reapers and TITANS are the same thing. Humanity developed our own technology, we didn't know about the Citadel or alien life. We build the SEED AIs the TITANs, which are essentially Reapers in ways except in name. Truth is we never really built the SEED AI it was lead to believe we did, and a premature harvest began. This was The Fall, why they didn't finish the job is unknown.

Waygates turn into mass relays. Since we didn't have the technology to use the mass relays fully only enough to send in a few Crashers through. Only when the Prothean ruins were found that EZero was found, it was just used to power the relays. There was a few Extra Solar systems colonized before a Turian patrol ship was alerted by the number of unexplored mass relays were open. They attacked Transhumanity, and won the initial battle, but Transhumanity came back with digital warfare that decimated the Turian fleet. However just like in ME the Council stepped in before it evolved to a full scale war.

So Transhumanity threw together a "System Alliance" compromised of several infomorphs from each faction in a Case. They went to represent Transhumanity as a whole, but when it was reviled that you know what they are. The Council didn't invite them in and quarantined the sector of space where we've set up shop.

Do note that Transhumanity isn't united, they're still split into the many different factions. However just like in EP w/ Gates a Megacorps owns a mass relay and colonies.

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>>13216405
Double all votes for this

>>13216405

You mean Contagonist? He still drops by, but he said that he won't be writefagging anymore for ME/EP.

>>13216405

I must know what happens to Xepard

Please archive this.
I'll read it over when I have time.

>>13218381
WHAT?
WHY NOT?

I never understood all the butthurt against ME/EP crossover.
The predominant argument seemed to be: "herpa, derp, HUMANITY FUCK YEAH sucks! stop liking what I don't like."

I think many people fail to realize that this is not the case of HUMANITY FUCK YEAH, more like a case of ALIENS DUMBFUCKS.
Just think for a minute, the aliens have had the Citatel for over millenia. It is fair to say that they have been space-fairing for at least several centuries before that.
But in ALL that time they have hardly developed further. They sit on their fat asses, content with stability and stagnation.
ALL of the technologies that could have helped them to advance further (AI, Nano-Tech, etc) have been banned for a long, long time.

I think it is great to have them being bitch-slapped across the face and them seeing their collective mistakes. The EP humanity is what they /should/ have reached many centuries ago but due to their conservative, narrow-minded views they never advanced where it mattered.

Anyway, I'm tired and need sleep but I think I somehow got my point across.

someone archive thise

One last request for OC before this thread dies a lonely death.