I don't accept it.

It can't be done.

Panda people.

>>21940757
>Panda people.

Yeah, of all things wrong with the game, its the Pandaren that make it retarded....

>>21940768

OP said in its current state.

but Warcraft is just a less grim-dark Warhammer with pop culture references.

so glad I'm letting my sub expire, I feel sorry for those poor suckers who got the year long sub

Yeah, it'd be about the same as any other generic fantasy setting but bigger pauldrons and more glowing stuff.

>>21940817

it wasn't always like that...

>>21940872
I miss warcraft 2 so so much.

Set the game in Azjol-Nerub. Everything is better with Nerubians.

The sleeper awakes.

>>21940890

Don't we all.

Honestly, Vanilla was great until the players ruined it.

>Night Elves
>ancient race of stoic warrior-women, finally reunited with their dream-surfing Druid counterparts after milennia
>reduced to dancing naked on mailboxes on DAY ONE.

How bout

Guys

How about we

Guys listen

What if

Now listen

What if we

Guys

What if we added kung-fu panda

>>21940768
>>21940757
You philistines, the Pandaren have been around since Warcraft III!

>>21941018
Personally i blame the Burning Crusade, that's when everything started going downhill. Saw the retconned Draenei and the floating stone Rorschach patterns they worship and i facepalmed (and i was 12).

set it on moonglade in goldshire. worgens and pandarens only.

>>21941018

Yep. The total sluttification of night elves is tragic, considering they had a pretty good setup in WCIII

>>21941041
Yes, but see ONE (maybe a few) traveling warriors/monks/drunks/stereotypical asian masters is okay because even though they're pandas they stil have that air of mysterious about it.

Yes, obviously the land they came from is full of other kung fu pandas, but in the here and now we only have to deal with one, who is unique and refreshing compared to the norm.

The second you actually have to deal with the realty of an entire continent full of pandas who love marshal hearts? Fuck me that's lame.

Also to be fair, warcraft 3 had some really good elements to it. It also had some really BAD elements to it too. Even back then it was slowly being kiddified (and I ain't talking about the graphics)

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>>21941076
>>21941018
>>21941073
Yeah running around in bikinis, loincloths and boob plate totally isn't slutty guys. It was totally wow that turned them into fap bait.

>>21941124

It was part of their culture. It wasn't because they were actively whoring themselves out.

I liked Wrath of the Lich King...

>>21941073
>12 in 2007
>17 now
Well now. Late for you to be up kiddo.

Ok well I have a list of things we could do, bear with me its pretty extensive (i've been nursing this grudge for awhile now.

Item the First: Retcon the origins of the Draenei (and basically everything else about them). No longer do they worship the Holy Light (because that creates a plothole in regards to having the same religion as the humans) and no longer are they Eredar. They are the Broken, who have a genocidal hatred of the orcs and cannot interact with their enemy non-violently. They share similar shamanistic roots with the orcs, which makes their corruption by the Legion and the subsequent wars even more of a betrayal. Akama and his tribe serve Illidan as before, but there are many Draenei who have gotten sick of the shattered hellhole they call a homeworld and have started a mass-migration to Azeroth, opening their own dark portal (in Kalimdor for extra lulz).

>>21941041
Seems my sarcasm was lost on you.

>>21941149
aw fuck did i say 12? That doesn't work seeing as i'm 21 right now.

Pretty sure this is why math was my poorest subject lol.

>>21941105
Well there was some original RPG fluff for Pandaria which was pretty good. For instance the Shado-Pan were the Shodo-pan, who were the warlords in charge on the Pandaren.

>>21941162
Item the Second: The dragging through the mud of Warcraft 2 Horde heroes ends now! First of all Kargath Bladefist is not a Fel Orc and is in fact a hermit living in exile in Kalimdor (but who will retake command of his clan at the behest of Thrall). Kilrogg Deadeye is still on the run from the Alliance and now contends with the undead in the Plaguelands. Zul'Jin is not an enemy of the Horde and has in fact been keeping Zul'Aman safe from Scourge incursions, whilst also dealing with the return of the Blood Elves. I'm not sure what to do for Fenris, Tagar Spinebreaker, Dentarg and Zuluhed yet, but its going to be more dignified than turning them into quest mobs.

>>21941162
This is a solid first step. Next we should figure out how many former-good-guys-gone-crazy we need to redeem.

An interesting setting would be pre-malstorm split, with the Troll Empire, the Buggy things that I can never remember empire, and the Elven Empire all going hard out in a conflict

>>21941307
Item the Third: Blood Elves have not been contacted by Kael'Thas yet because the logistics of it are impossible. Still ruled by Lorthemar (sorta), they are a civilization that is slowly rebuilding, having pushed back the scourge. They aren't the oversexualized pansies from WoW with shiny plastic forests anymore. They are dark and angry and ruthlessly draining magic to survive, all whilst keeping the existence of Anveena a secret from their enemies. Trying to re-knit ties with the Alliance but doesn't understand why everyone hates them (as they are ignorant of Kael's alliance with Illidan). The ones on Kalimdor are either desperate diplomats or refugees who hide their true colors for fear of being lynched (ironically being pushed towards the Horde lands by Alliance bigotry).

>>21941149

1.What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>21941330
i refer you to Item the Second.

>>21941403
By the way i am going in order by Expansions.

Item the Fourth: The making of Illidan into the primary villain of Outland. On the contrary, this guys is on the fucking run from Kil'Jaeden, and is fending off Legion attacks with his allies. Basically he's trying to hold what little territories he has in Outland, making the best of his decidedly crappy situation. Severly injured by Arthas, Illidan is a mere shadow of his former power, and he has to unite the races of Outland or else Kil'Jaeden will just fucking end them all.

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Please start with pandarens.

I would have been happy had they just not made Pandaren playable, and just added the new "continent" as part of the expansion, and just have it be extremely "oriental themed."

>>21941483
Item the Fifth: Making Garrosh Hellscream the douchenozzle he is just to prove that Varian Wrynn is supposed to be the good guy (i'm getting to this fucker). Not only does he remain this sort of somber, contemplative guy, but the knowledge that his father killed Mannoroth has inspired him to live a better, more honorable life in his memory. Sort of see him as becoming Thrall's apprentice in the arts of leadership at least (shaman is too out there). However elements of the Warsong Clan are calling him out for his "cowardice" and he's got to change the old way of thinking because really, that's exactly the kind of attitude that made his father drink Mannoroth's Kool-Aid.

I wanted to play a pandaren brewmaster since Vanilla. And when finally I was able to make one... I realised all the shitty rp that I was going to see on Stormwind's streets. And the magic was gone.

>>21941406
Oh shut up. Nobody cares.

>>21941583
Item the Sixth: Hurr Durr Malygos iz a Raid boss nao becuz he hatez dem magik userz gaiz! Not only does this make no sense (what with him being the Aspect of Magic and all), but we'd been told he was cured of his insanity. So we play up this part and have Malygos sending agents out to help him track down the Skull of Gul'Dan, the Demon Soul and all those troublesome artifacts for proper disposal. His magical protection efforts result in the creation of a clandestine order of relic-hunters that are part archaeologists and part demon-hunters (Kinda like the order of Tirisfal but relevant). Of course its only a matter of time before they come into conflict with the dwarven Explorer's League.

>>21941612
at least you don't have to suffer the indignity of seeing your capitol city turned into a fucking endgame raid.

>>21941674
Item the Seventh: Varian motherfucking Wrynn, where do i even start!? Instead of being a Conan the Barbarian rip-off with ridiculous hair, he's ruling the Kingdom of Azeroth (NOT the Kingdom of Capitol City) like he is supposed to. This time however he has his hands full with a civil-war sparked by the Defias uprising. The people are increasingly dissatisfied that Azeroth has been rebuilding for years whilst Theramore is barely a decade old yet is doing so much better than them, and have taken to the streets. The King is struggling to find a diplomatic resolution to it all, but Azeroth is relatively isolated, and he is starting to consider calling for aid from outside.

>>21941162
>>21941307
>>21941403
>>21941483
>>21941583
>>21941674
>>21941762
Let me know if i haven't adressed one of your concerns by the way, i'm trying to be as thorough as i can.

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Christ...I know I say this is every Warcraft thread that I've seen on /tg/...but I loved Karazhan, Deadwind Pass and Duskwood for that matter. Everything about it, the fluff, the music, and the aesthetic.

>>21941406
This wasn't the time for that pasta.

>>21941783

I want the night elves to be cool while maintaining the original flavor as amazonian purple elves in skimpy outfits.

Impossible?

>>21941783
Don't forget to play around with the legacy of the Troll Empires, along with the entire Echo Isles situation/Trolls being kicked out of Ogrimmar

>>21941787

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jUZfofhhV0

>>21941762
Item the Eighth: Death Knights, the Scourge and basically everything up to the Wrathgate. The idea that an entire order of Death Knights broke off from the Scourge is pretty cool, but there's no way they'd just pick sides with the Alliance or the Horde. Rather they have been traversing Northrend, rallying the Tuskarr, Nerubians, Vrykul, Taunka and even the Drakkari into a united front to take the continent back from the Scourge while the Lich King is still consolidating his power. What were seeing here is the beginnings of a new power bloc in the north, one that does not take kindly to Alliance and Horde meddling because they fear annexation under pretense of help against the Scourge. If there is to be cooperation, then the Death Knights will need convincing.

>>21941809
Easy. Teldrassil is actually the creation of Staghelm, who has staged a coup for control of the Night Elven nation. Staghelm and his faction are basically hyper-conservatives that want those nature-bashing invaders out, and is opposing Malfurion and Tyrande's efforts at peace. The only problem is that Staghelm has managed to convince a good number of ancients and thus Ashenvale is almost literally being torn apart by this civil war.

>>21941674
Malygos wanting to exterminate magicians is not so insensible. Magic in the Warcraft universe is something entirely separate from magicians, and they may misuse it.
You wouldn't think it so ridiculous if say Neltharion (had he not become Deathwing) were to want to kill some miners for misusing the earth would you?

>>21941787
This could actually tie in with >>21941762
Maybe the Black Riders of Deadwind Pass are the secret force behind the Defias' sudden popularity, twisting the peoples' minds with dark energy ripped from the Madness of Kharazhan

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Not impossible

Just real fucking hard.

>>21941921
Yeah but Deathwing was corrupted by the Old Gods, and Malygos' actions are strange considering he's gambling the future of his still under-strength flight in a war that potentially turns the entire world against him. Doesn't seem like the actions of a sane person.

>>21941830
Honestly i'm not quite sure what to suggest for the Troll situation. I know making the Zandalari villains is stupid because LOL EVERY TROLL THAT'S NOT DARKSPEAR IS TEH EVULZ!

Aside from that though, maybe you guys could suggest somthing?

>>21941956

Its called the Villain bat.

The most dangerous weapon in the Warcraft universe.

No one is safe from it.

>>21941870
Item the Ninth: Everything that happens AFTER the Wrathgate. The betrayal of Putress and Varimathras could be re-worked a little since Sylvanas basically has him by the balls. Maybe Putress is the radical (perhaps helped along by secret agents of the Burning Legion) and the irony is that Varimathras remains the loyal one. Also the existence of Yogg-Saron is a teensy bit more important than the Lich-King's war i would say (like comparing Cthulhu to Sauron really). All that funky saronite that Arthas has been using to build his shit has started tainting the Scourge, turning more and more of them to the service of Yogg-Saron and his faceless ones. The Lich-King finds that he is no longer master of his realm and in a twist, he needs help to combat the forces of the Thousand-Mawed God.

>>21941982
Have a look at the lore for the Trolls.
They're heaps of fun bits to work with.

Remembering off the top of my head, their is some kind of head tribe, located on some islands to the south of Azeroth, that all other trolls, Darkspear and other, pay their respects to because they are A) The remaining leaders of the previous Troll Empire all in one Tribe and B) They have all the awesome magic objects left over from the height of the Troll Empire.

Maybe have them making waves among the many tribes and attempting to lead some form of Troll Unification scheme, which, if realized, could fuck over everyone, so both the Horde and the Alliance are either trying to befriend them or cripple them?

(Because really, the Troll are fucking everywhere across Azeroth and if they all got their shit together, they would wreck shit)

>>21941985
Well that's what this thread was founded to combat wasn't it? The unbridled idiocy of Blizzard and the liberal turning of awesome characters into villains because the players need new fucking epic gear.

>>21941956
First of all someone who has gone insane but has been "cured" is not necessarily completely sane.
Secondly even disregarding the insanity angle Malygos' duty is to protect magic and if he honestly believe that all magicians have to die for magic to be safe then he must pursue that regardless of the opposition. I recall a Red dragon in WotLK saying something to that effect.

>>21942071
I think Thrall might.

God forbid anything happens to him, The entirety of the Horde players would be in fucking arms.

Hey this is unrelated, but how do i captcha this thread? There's alot of cool ideas i would like to use for when i run my own warcraft campaign.

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>>21941982
I like to think of the Trolls outside of Darkspear as falling under two camps: First, cannibals.

NPC: Greetings Troll. Care to form an alliance?
Troll: Sure mon. Just make sure to send ya kids.
NPC: W-what?
Troll: Or ya wife. De taste pretty guud.
NPC: ...

Second, crumbling Troll empires.

NPC: Greetings Troll-
Troll: HOLY SHIT OUR GODS ARE DEAD AND THE SCOURGE ARE EVERYWHERE; RUN, MON, RUUUUUUUN!

>>21942077
I guess so. But there at least need to be believable consequences for slaying one of the primal Aspects of Azeroth. I mean shit people farm Malygos for loot regularly and nothing bad has happened to the balance of magic. It's ridiculous!

>>21942125

Trolls seem to have a congenital fight-or-flight response of killing their gods when threatened.

>>21941956
I thought Malygos's reasoning was that he saw what the mortal world was doing with magic and decided finally to do something about it. I mean, the goddamn Sunwell got corrupted by a bunch of mana junkies, the Burning Legion was starting to come back to Azeroth, and the sort of safeguarding magic thing didn't work out as intended.

I'd say make Malygos want to go tabula rasa as far as arcane magic goes; it's a loaded gun. He'll let mages serve him with unquestioning loyalty, because they know he can rip the mana from them whenever he chooses.

I wouldn't put him on the forefront as a bad guy, more of a shadow inquisition sort. He's got agents who will take down those who flaunt magic irresponsibly, but they don't care much about collateral.

>>21942044
Item the Tenth: The Argent Dawn/Crusade and Tirion Fordring. First of all i like the premise behind them, but they got waay too powerful waay too fast (Tirion went from being a shack-bound hobo to being the guy who killed the Lich King in like a year). Realistically, the Argent Dawn is working to liberate Lordaeron from the grip of the Scourge and they are trying to convince Tirion to return to his paladin roots. Only problem they are at an ideological impasse with the Scarlet Crusade, and things are threatening to devolve into a holy war between the two. Maybe the Scarlets control the western Plaguelands and the Argents are based in the East, and the crux of the argument is how to deal with Stratholme, which still has pockets of survivors hiding from the Scourge.

>>21942200
That does make a bit more sense.

>>21942066

Here we go, found it.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Zandalar

>>21942282
isn't wowpedia the better supported wiki?

>>21942325
Probably, I got it after a five second google.

>>21942325
Yes it is, huge nerd drama on wowwiki last year, somthing to do with the ads on the site. Also wowpedia is updated much more often.

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>>21941939
>>21941855
I love both of you guys....

>>21942229
I'd say make the Crusade based out of Hearthglen and keep the Dawn stuck in Light's Hope. There are tensions outright between the two groups but they're not officially at any sort of war. They're like two groups of survivors in a Zombie Apocalypse scenario, they're not going to work together unless they're under direct attack. The Crusade sees the Dawn as heretical (letting a Forsaken into their ranks and such), the Dawn sees the Crusade as a mad dog waiting to get off its leash. Both groups are trying to save any survivors left in the north, but the Crusade strings up those who don't join the ranks while the Dawn works with a more "if you have skills, we need you to use them for us" mentality.

The Crusade has more warriors but less skilled workers, farmers, and such. The Dawn has less warriors but more common folk willing to fight to the last to keep the north and their faith.

I'd say Stratholme as the linchpin argument is great. The Crusade wants to retake the Cathedral and make it a new forward base, the Dawn wishes to finish saving the scavenger survivors trapped within.

>>21942229
Moving on to Cataclysm now

Item the Eleventh: WTF is this Goblins and Worgen joining one of the Big Two? Signing on with either is not an option for the Worgen to start with because they are a well-documented enough threat that most of Azeroth hates them. Methinks they will recieve the same treatment as the Blood Elves by the Alliance, and well the Horde probably wouldn't be much to their liking (what with the Forsaken and all). Hurt and rejected by their fellow "humans", the Worgen decide to seek aid elsewhere, and the Goblins of Undermine are all too happy to oblige. Gallywix and the Bilgewater aren't in the face of the goblins this time. The Steamwheedle Cartel and their prince represent, and they agree to take the Worgen in as allies because they don,t like the way that Azeroth is starting to divide itself between just two people (less clients). So they start laying the foundations for an entirely new power-bloc, one to counterbalance and curtail the expansion of the Big Two.

>>21942379
As far as i know, the Black Riders were never developped as villains. A shame too since they could make for great gothic-themed enemies to Azeroth. Maybe they're run by that asshole Teron Gorefiend or perhaps the shade of Medivh.

>>21942417
Why do the Worgen even have enough strength to join any faction? I'd say considering they've been isolated for years and been dealing with an interior Worgen invasion (prior to damn near everyone being cursed) they shouldn't have anywhere near enough strength as the Kingdom of Azeroth.

I'd make Worgen a rarity, seen mostly in Lordaeron and wherever they venture after. They're the travelers who have to move around a lot to avoid the grizzly murders that follow their nature. Some are able to control themselves through force of will, others buy into alchemists who can tame their beast. Plenty of snakeoil salesmen willing to prey on them too.

They should be something that the Azerothians can hear about and say "Lordaeron's got wolfmen now? Dead weren't bad enough?"

Maybe have if anything, two groups. One trying to retake the homeland from Forsaken invasion and others trying to reestablish enclaves in Arathi and Hillsbrad, possibly Alterac as that's fallen as fuck.

>>21942440
Yeah the old WoW RPG had Brann Bronzebeard implying they were. But I agree, it's a huge shame they never went anywhere. I loved how Ashenvale, Duskwood, Redridge, Silverpine, Deadwind Pass, and Karazhan were all tied together by the Scythe of Elune...which is why I was really sad with what Blizz did with it in Cata.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TO97aU-hYM&playnext=1&list=PL7DAE218148C3E2B8&feature=re
sults_video

>>21942390
and maybe the Dawn has a bit of a political disadvantage because the Crusade has recognizable heroes like Alexandros Mograine and Barean Westwind as leaders, whereas their potential face is living in a shack by the river.

>>21942362
Wikia changed the site layout to add more addspace. It also turned the 'viewable content' to a quarter-width column.

The wiki forked, most of the editors went to wowpedia.org instead, and the kicker is Blizzard started putting links to wowpedia instead of wowwiki, basically showing their support.

>>21942494
Exactly. The Crusade has ambassadors in Stormwind demanding aid to reclaim the north. The Dawn has a sorrow-stricken leader whose only accomplishment is helping save the commoners left behind and being tolerant of other races who are willing to assist in freeing the Plaguelands.

You have a hero-based movement with possible political support in the south vs a community based moment with a disgraced leader. The Crusade can get support, the Dawn has to earn it. And they do, and that's what makes them different.

>>21942478
yeah Alterac has been a ruined shithole since the Second War. But i remember that the Worgen have Night Elven roots and being the children of Goldrinn. Maybe the Night Elves are the only race that sympathizes with the Worgen's plight (even if the rest of the Alliance is opposed to them) and secretly helps them, like by establishing Cenarion Circle enclaves within Gilneas and teaching the Worgen the secrets of druidic healing.

>>21942478
Genn Greymane should be the one looking for foreign aid while Crowley is, as always, the first man in and the last man out of Gilneas. So there is some bad blood between groups, especially with Crowley who is willing to force others under the curse (or execute them) in his war against the Forsaken. You're either with him or in a state that cannot be raised in undeath. No middle ground.

>>21942534
The night elf route is interesting but I'd sooner see the Cenarion Circle being something the Worgen have to seek out rather than being brought to them. It's another possible cure for their affliction, one that not everyone believes in.

And it's not exactly an overnight deal either, druidic healing would take time. Gives more reason for the Worgen to spread out and find their own niche.

Heck, maybe some go up to Northrend to seek out supposed villages of people like them. They're looking for a safe haven where they can try to fix themselves, the druids are one route.

>>21942534
Playing up the entire Druidic aspect would be the best direction for them to go.

It be interesting to see how the rest of the political organizations act in regards to the actions of the Druids.

Speaking of Druids, guys who is writing all the bits and piece about how WoW needs to be fixed, what about the addition of the various newer races into the entire Cenarion Circle.

>>21942417
Item the Twelfth: Med'an and his utter absence from the Cataclysm. Yes this guy is literally a half-orc half-draenei half-human sorcerer chosen one jedi...but wouldn't it make sense to have HIM leading the charge against Deathwing and the Twilight's Hammer instead of forcing Thrall to put the warmongering fuckhead in charge so he can go save the world? I say Med'an and the new order of Tirisfal are forced to unite the Alliance, Horde and any other faction despite their bickering and that the conflict probably ends with the guy's sacrifice or something. At least this way we're doing something with the character other than letting him sit on his ass doing fuckall.

>>21942640
Why have him at all? He's terrible, also he doesn't fit in with the new Draenei as Broken form. He got his magic paladin powers because of the Draenei part didn't he?

>>21942534
>>21942591
Both excellent suggestions. Perhaps eventually Greymane's faction (which is in cahoots with the Goblins) and Crowley's Faction (which has basically become a freedom-fighter army) are brought into an uneasy alliance due to the promise of a mutual cure via long druidic healing.

>>21942636
Well the only new races to be added were the Trolls and Worgen. I think >>21942636, >>21942591 can explain the latter to an extent (perhaps they are kept out of the public eye). As for the trolls, well the whole druid thing is a little silly since they have shamans already (not to mention voodoo priests).

>>21942666
Considering he's a rather major part of the lore up to this point, its kind of necessary to have him doing something, less people start moaning about him not doing anything.

Of course, if we rewrote his entire background Lore, it could work.

>>21942640
Item the Thirteenth: the aforementioned rampant division between the Alliance and the Horde (especially seeing as they are turning other races' homelands into battlegrounds without permission). I think there would be a sort of reactionary wave that sweeps Azeroth at this point, spurred on perhaps by the Death Knights' example in Northrend. Seeing that the Goblins are organizing a "Third World", i can see several high profile races throwing their chips in with them. Possible candidates include the Ogres, the Gnolls, the Furbolgs (who are sick of all this Felblood nonsense) and the Naga.

>>21942736
If he needs to be anything, I'd say make him a non-corrupted Draenei. Not fully broken, and willing to compromise with Orcs to a degree. Make him essentially Thrall but in Draenor, and make him a mage rather than a shaman. He knows the corruptive nature of magic, and he knows the elements. I'd say put him on the Council of Tirisfal but not as the head.

Or scrap him entirely and have the Twilight Hammer/Deathwing issue be about a third huge faction rising just after a recent war against the Scourge; and this third faction has the strength and men to infiltrate other societies and begin corrupting them.

Deathwing and his direct followers are Russia and the Twilight's Hammer are the commies at home. One is the everlooming threat and the other destroys from within, which could lead to further unrest in Stormwind and Orgrimmar as the people begin working themselves into witch hunts and the governments respond in less than appropriate ways.

Essentially Warcraft in Post-9/11 America.

>>21942736
Can you suggest anything more plausible than "The half-orc/draenei/human son of Medivh and Garona with uber magical powers"?

For that matter, since the Draenei are being re-written, Garona is back to being a regular old orcish-human hybrid. Maybe her growth was supercharged by Gul'Dan's warlock magic or something and she has spent the last few years travelling the world, hunting the remnants of the Shadow Council for ruining her life (and to avenge the death of her old friend Anduin Lothar).

>>21942786
Or maybe the Goblins in their organization of a "Third World" aren't really gathering high profile races as much as they are playing arms dealer. They have Ogres, Gnolls, Naga, and even some Murloc in their ranks. They've gotten some Wolvar and Gorloc, even some demons. Goblins are essentially building up a Star War's Cantina of scum and villainy nationals who they can move to various battlefields to take back what they want. They're reactionaries who know they have backing, provided they back interests often other than their own.

>>21942798
Eh, Deathwing's been established as being far too unstable to be any kind of politician as of Cataclysm. Maybe he is utilizing the power of the Old Gods (via the Twilight Father) to basically mindslave other races into an usntoppable army or something.

>>21942849
Kinda like in that Star Wars RTS?

>>21942869
I meant Deathwing is the huge threat, he's a walking WMD. People are worried about Deathwing and his elemental uprisings, so they're not noticing the whole sleeper agents everywhere thing. Deathwing seems smart enough to not try to appear as something other than a pillar of hate, he's going to have people following his plans; they just won't be wearing a tabard.

Consider the Black Bishop the Archbishop. Deathwing seems more like a two-front war, one interior and one exterior. The exterior war is brutal and deadly, against monsters and elementals and goddamn dragons. The interior war is tragic, as brothers turn against brothers for fear of someone being a traitor and with spies in the upper ranks of society.

>>21942786
Item the Fourteenth: The wanton killing off of older fluff characters in favor of younger more "hip" faction leaders. There is no reason at all why Magni Bronzebeard needed to be frozen in carbonite. On the contrary, he gets up off his ass and takes steps to unite the dwarves once more, sending emissaries to his daughter and Falstad Wildhammer. The problem lies in extremists in all factions that are incapable of seeing that Deathwing is presently the greater threat and conducting terrorist actions to hinder Magni's efforts. As for Cairne Bloodhoof, well since Garrosh is assumed to not be warchief, have him survive an assassination attempt and discover that the Grimtotems are launching a coup. It turns out Magatha has made a deal with the devil by allying with the centaur of Desolace in exchange for fertile lands and the invasion of Mulgore begins.

>>21942916
I guess so, a war of paranoia does seem like the sort of thing the Twilight's Hammer would do.

>>21942989
>Grimtotems
Give them some Alliance backing, I always liked the idea that the Alliance was selling them guns. It was also of interest to know the Grimtotems had some Scourge communications once upon a time. Something worth considering.

>>21942989
Ok this one is a little bit of backtracking on my part but it needs to be adressed.

Item the Fifteenth: Why are all the other human nations in the shit? Stromgarde was one of the strongest human nations and should still be so. The nation is faced with Scourge incursions from the west and an upsurge of troll activity in the highlands. As For Kul-Tiras, well maybe Jaina's brother Tandred Proudmoore and his armada show up in Theramore asking for an explanation about what happened to daddy. But he's also here for help because without the wizards to secure it, the prison in Tol-Barad has rioted and ex-cons are wreaking havoc across the nation. Perhaps throw in a few warlocks trying to summon up a Legion foothold in the area.

>>21943016
Maybe they've teamed up with Kel'Thuzad who has survived the Northrend debacle and now plans to wreak his vengeance on Kalimdor.

>>21943078
>Stromgarde
Strong as shit, taking in some Worgen and refugees. Supports the Crusade but takes in Dawn refugees too. Is fortifying the borders and is setting up a small base in Alterac to monitor the Plaguelands and the Forsaken.

>Kul Tiras
Still racist as all fuck. Tandred's armada is dealing with Naga uprisings, but Kul Tiras is still one of the stronger nations. Has sent some aid to Theramore and has strong trade ties; but when Kul Tiras sailors show up in port they're the sort that lynch a few half-orcs and call it a service to the Grand Alliance.

I like Tol Barad being a rioted prison nation, one the Goblin Third World has established strong ties with maybe. A good base of operations, easy to defend, and they can stock their own people there.

>>21943078
Item the Sixteenth: The Elemental Lords and the Titanspawn in general. The four Elemental Lords are NOT bitches, nor would they consider allying with Deathwing (who works for the guys they've been free from for millenia). They had the right idea for Therazane, but Al'Akir also tells Deathwing to fuck off. Ragnaros would never agree to work with Deathwing (after all his son Nefarian has been a thorn in his side for years). Maybe the Four are not keen on going back to being the Old Gods' bitches and decide to give the mortals aid under the table. As for the Tol'vir and Uldum, well get rid of the Indiana Jones references and we could have an interesting, sort of Tomb Kings-esque faction that is perhaps obeying the last directives of the Titans to "purge" the curse of the Flesh from Azeroth.

>>21943134
That raises the question, what the Fuck are the Naga still in Azeroth doing? Are they attacking the Troll Home islands and any fleets moving around?

Are they a constant pain in the Goblins sides, because their raids are forcing the Goblins to actually protect their trade caravans moving across the ocean?

Also, where is their main base? Maybe the island Tel Abim, since isn't not used for anything Lore wise currently.

>>21943232
The Naga are their own animal; you've got Nazjatar as their capitol and a few factions that have branched off like in the case of Kael's allies. Some can aid the goblins, some can be a thorn in their side.

I'd say they're taking advantage of the chaos and cataclysm like nobody's business because ships are moving lots of people and the oceans are their domain.

>>21943134
> Tol Barad being a rioted prison nation

Maybe the ex-cons are joined by survivors of the Legion's third invasion or elements of the Dark Horde and they make a sort of Warcaft version of Mos Eisley

>>21943232
>>21943268

Perhaps Azshara has realized that once Deathwing has crushed the Alliance and the Horde, he's gonna come for her because her boss (Neptulon) told him to fuck off. So she aligns with the goblin Third World as well as the Sea Giants and Murlocs to form an underwater front against the encroaching forces of the Old Gods. She nonetheless refuses to let the Alliance into her lands because them night elves. As for Lady Vashj's crew, well she's probably looking to collect her former handmaiden's head for just up and betraying her and taking a sizeable part of her subjects to serve that little shit Illidan (the one who helped screw her over during the War of the Ancients). I'm thinking she'll really like whatever faction deals with Vashj.

>>21941041
The Warcraft games have nothing to do with WoW anymore.

>>21943223
Items guy here, it's getting a bit late where i am so i'm going to break off for the night. If this thread is still around tomorrow, i'll be happy to continue my list.

Cheers.

>>21943403
Stop destroying my hopes for Warcraft 4

>>21943436
Another Warcraft RTS would be nice. Fuck I really wanna play Warcraft 3 again.

>>21943449
I got bored and reinstalled it.

Holy fuck its so much fun, and thats not just the nostalgia talking

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html

Archived for later revival and continued attempts to fix the mess that is the Warcraft Lore.
Go vote.

I havn't played in forever and a day but I remember in Outlands, in that zone with the giant mushrooms, there was a big dark portal like thing that was inactive? was it ever used? back then I thought it would be cool if I could take a portal and go adventuring Planescape style.

>>21943483
Likewise.....god damn. What I wouldn't do for a warcraft rts with modern visuals.

>>21943761
I tell you what I wish the mod community had done.

Edit the armies list into the separate races.
Like a Tauren army, a troll army, an Elven army, a Naga Army. A Draenai army and a Dwarven army, along with Nerubian, Centaur and more.
Hell, the three of them have already been done.

Imagine it Anon, a pure Orc arm going against a pure human army, along with the Naga armies clashing with Nerubian spiders.

The only problem is the lack of any proper models to use, and two small a number to create a unique army of differing models. Ones like the Troll are easy, but others like the Dwarves or Tauren aren't.

>>21944566
The mod community for WC3 was great. Parasite II was awesome.

>>21944630
True that, the problem was that after DotA came out, it was a lot harder to get any other custom games.

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While this won't fit in with the new "Draenei have no truck with the Holy Light" thing discussed here, I was... actually really pumped when Blizzard first announced that Draenei could be paladins (but BEFORE they revealed the retcons/beautification thing).

I just really liked the thought of these ugly, broken, stunted mole(?)-men taking up the shield and hammer, embodying the angry, vengeful side of the paladin mythos rather than the holy-knight-in-shining-armor thing that's been done to death a trillion times before. I thought it would've made a nice contrast for the Alliance side to have an Angry Ugly Race for once. And it'd be pretty fucking terrifying to be on the receiving end of a broken Lost paladin who has nothing to lose but a shattered world, a malevolent-looking alien with razor-sharp teeth and plate armor that is nonetheless sheathed in some sort of holy radiance.

... and instead, we got blue Russian space goat proto-demons whose women ALSO look like supermodels with superfluous alien parts taped onto them.

>>21944848
To be fair Blorp, you should have expected them to at least change the Draenai females.
Look at what Blizzard did to the various female races of the Horde.

Although I do agree with you, it would have been interesting to see a hideous race being part of the alliance (I may or may not have gone back to replay the Frozen Throne when they were announced). They didn't even do it with the Worgen, despite claims to the contrary, as they can still turn back into Human form.

>>21944997
Yeah, I was expecting SOMETHING done to the Draenei females, but I expecting, at most, Tauren female levels of homeliness instead of, well, that. (It was WoW's first expansion, I was unrealistically optimistic).

>Worgen
... and I was at least hoping for them to give the Worgen different human models- SOME sort of visual indicator that there's something /off/ about these (har har) wolves in sheep's clothing.

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>>21945084
When it came out, I was still young, so I was still really optimistic about it as well. Although, then again, I was expecting something along the lines of Naga or something, so it was still good to see, despite them butchering the Draenai lore.

And with the Worgen, you'd thing they'd change it around so the Human forms would at least be slightly misshapen, or more hairy, or something, but hey, shouldn't have expected to much.

Its like the Horde females. The original Troll female was suppose to be as gangly and awkward as the Male, but they just reskinned the female Human and nailed on some small spiky tusks.
>Pic Related
Different, isn't it?

>>21945186
Yeah, the alpha version of WoW was almost a whole different beast entirely, from what I heard. Imagine how differently the game would've turned out if they'd kept some of the stuff they originally planned, like "can eventually communicate with/form parties with the opposite faction"...

Back on topic, the only other major change I'd make (that wasn't already listed) would be to NOT have Thrall become the motherfucking Aspect of Earth or whatever the hell happened there. Sure, he's a popular character, but making him Jesus Orc and giving him his own personal waifu who had always existed starting from like two seconds ago is a bit much.

I'd also be up for jettisoning out of Warcraft canon virtually anything Richard A. Knaak wrote.

>>21945324

Agreed on the entire 'Jesus Thrall' aspect with the Aspect of Earth thing.

He's already revered both in and out of the Game by the Orcs/Trolls/Tauren and the Horde Player base. Hell, He's already a messianic figure due to his actions in saving the Horde, freeing them from the Demons, helping to make the Demons fuck off, rediscovering Orcish heritage,saving the Darkspear from extinction etc etc.

That and (This is my own little waif-ish part) the conflict between Theramore and Ogrimmar, along with the friendship between Jania and Thrall. I mean, I haven't paid attention to the recent fluff, but I do remember them getting along in numerous other situations. Its probably me just wanting Waifu-ness in the Lore building.

(Where did Thrall's new wife come from anyway?)

>Jettisoning Richard A. Knaak books out of a fucking cannon?
Never read them but they can't be that ba-
>Day of the Dragon
>Sunwell Trilogy
Oh...

>>21945414
>(Where did Thrall's new wife come from anyway?)

Literally out of nowhere. Cataclysm shoved what's-her-name in the players' faces without any sort of explanation other than "yup, she and Thrall sure are in love"; HOW they came to be a couple was shown in one of Christie Golden's books (in which she also literally came out of nowhere as some random tsundere who's a good enough shaman to teach /Thrall/).

..... and yeah. Knaak.

I can forgive Day of the Dragon, since it was written before WCIII (IIRC), but then he shoved his favorite OCs into a lot of situations... like time-warping them into the Well of Eternity era, where they meet Illidan and Tyrande and Furion and proceed to screw up the timeline.

With few exceptions, Knaak doesn't really seem to care a whole lot about anything that isn't 1) on the Alliance side, 2) an elf, or 3) a dragon. He also has the distressing tendency to cram at least one strong-damsel-in-distress scene into his works, even if it wouldn't make sense (i.e. I vaguely remember seeing him do this to Sylvanas in one of the comics).

tl;dr I have no idea why anyone in Blizzard lets him write anything for them.

>>21945573
Two things.

One. Sylvanas.
As in, ranger leader of the High Elf defensive force that went up against Arthas, Got turned into an undead being, rebelled and started up her own undead force dedicated to killing Arthas and every other living being, along with dominating a freaking Dreadlord.
That Sylvanas being a Damsel-in-Distress?
Bullshit.

No wonder you don't like him, he sounds like a bit of a useless writer.

Two. Did they really just shove some random character in, from nowhere, and then expect everyone to lap that shit up, especially in regards to one of the most widely loved NPC's in the entirety of WoW?
Wow, thats actually kind of insulting.
Especially the entire 'She's a better Shaman that Thrall!' bit. Didn't Thrall start up the entire revival of the Hordes Shamanistic return to their roots? I know he studied under an older shaman out in the middle of somewhere, but her better than him? That's not even being sexist, thats just stupid.

>>21945643
Yes, that Sylvanas. Surprise surprise, it was thanks to the fact that she was suddenly stupid and reckless enough to go check this suspicious-looking guy (I THINK it was basically an OC villain, but I'm not sure) out on her lonesome.

Well, it wasn't that what's-her-face was a better shaman than Thrall, it was just that he needed someone to help him 'regain his roots.'

... oh, and Drek'thar couldn't have helped at that point in time, because Blizzard basically had him start going senile right before Cataclysm.

I've realized a huge part of what bugs me about WoW now is that Blizzard keeps trying to dispose of or 'update' older characters in the worst and/or stupidest ways possible.

>>21945643

Sylvanas being written as being worse and worse of a villain each expansion is also terribly immersion-breaking. Hey we put up with her because she has nice tits!

>>21945643
Blizzard? Just showing brand new snowflake NPCs into their lore and expecting it to be welcomed with open arms and tears of joy?

They think lightning can strike twice after Rexxar, but it just can't. Pretty much every story-important character after the transition to WoW has been horrible.

>>21945770
>They think lightning can strike twice after Rexxar, but it just can't. Pretty much every story-important character after the transition to WoW has been horrible.

You accepted Rexxar because you got to play AS him. Any new character in WoW is just another special snowflake NPC to take away from stuff you, the player character, wants to do. Dragon Soul was almost entirely "herding powerful NPC's around so they can do stuff"

Fuck, Dragon Soul had an ending that just made me angry. And sad.

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I think it's kinda sad that night elves have been so badly flanderized, and it's not even their warrior culture aspect that people have jumped on. Oh well, in my mind they will always look something like this.

>>21945742
See, I could understand them trying to alter Drek'Thar's character from how he was at the end of the Frozen Throne and through WoW, what with him being old already, and it would have been an interesting plot point to have him becoming more embracing of the spiritual side rather than the physical side could have been interesting, but just going basically senile? And even then, being unable to teach Thrall, the character he trained as a fucking boy-child to become a Shaman, to return to his roots, is pants-on-head retarded.

>>21945770
>>21945781

The thing about Rexxar, beyond playing as him, is that if you consider his genealogy and the general reaction to him, he comes of as a rather sad character.

The Humans and other creatures of Kalimdor and the Western Kingdoms treat him as a horrific freak of nature that shouldn't exist, and the Orc's treat him very warily and viewed him as a liability. Hell, even Thrall's reaction to him is very subdued at the beginning.

Although, he does turn out very mary sue-ish eventually, its as Anon said, you play as him, so its not that bad a change.

Also, what ever happened to Chen Stormstout? I remember that magnificent Pandren, before they become an actual faction.

>>21945831
Officially, Chen left to do more wandering after WC3. He shows up in Mists as a just a quest giver. So, nothing really.

>>21945831
>Also, what ever happened to Chen Stormstout? I remember that magnificent Pandren, before they become an actual faction.

He's pretty much a central character in Mists Of Pandaria. Which, regardless of what people will tell you, is a fuck of a lot better written and entertaining than the last few expansions before it. Maybe because it isn't focusing on ruining some older lore this time.

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Make the game no longer revolve around two factions.

DONE.

>>21945855
Thank god, I don't want him ruined.
Godspeed to that drunken Panda on his quest for the most amazing booze ever made.

>>21945856
Really?
Hmmm, maybe I should see what the Wiki has to say about him.

>>21945865
To be fair, they still play the biggest part in politics at the highest level, its just a lot easier to discuss the smaller levels of conflict and interaction because of the huge amount of smaller factions to play around with.

>>21941138
From a story point of view, WotLK was very well done.
They just needed to finish the Nerub area, the Troll raid and make Icecrown unable to be entered until 3.3.
The Lich King fight was really well done, both mechanically and lore-wise.

One other thing about WoW lore that I'd REALLY want to see change to turn it into a playable campaign setting: taking a step back from the MMO's homogenized classes.

I mean, I can see how that was necessary to make game balance slightly less of a nightmare, but it never meshed for me outside of pure game mechanics; it really bugged me to see that reflected in fanfic AND official books. A dwarven rifleman is not a beastmaster is not an elven archer, but 'Hunter' basically turned those all into 'you have a ranged weapon? Okay, you are a pet class.' And a dwarven priest probably shouldn't work exactly the same as a jungle troll 'priest', and even less so with whatever the hell an undead priest has become.

Granted, I don't know what the Warcraft TRPG books did in terms of classes, but still, moving away from the blanket MMO class terms would be important for me.

>>21945831
Yeah. It was just depressing to see that already having happened in Christie Golden's new books- I mean, she was the one who breathed life into Drek'thar character, and Blizzard basically rendered him superfluous.

And then threw him under the bus.

And then made it clear that while the people around him respect him, no one really listens to his portents/warnings/visions anymore because his mind's mostly gone.

>>21945869
>Godspeed to that drunken Panda on his quest for the most amazing booze ever made.

In Mists of Pandaria he and his niece Li-Li leave the Wandering Isle and enlist the player characters help in wandering around the heartland of Pandaria to find Chen's lost relatives, the Stormstouts. This mostly involves staying at every watering hole, trying the booze and then trying to get Chen to move again. When they find the legendary Stormstout brewery, they find it's been overrun by drunk hozen (monkey men), virmen (rabbit-men) and alementals (beer elementals) and you have to clean it out.

It pretty much continues in this style.

I dunno, I thought it was appropriate for his character anyway.

>>21945890
>From a story point of view, WotLK was very well done.

Hated the ending. HATED the ending.

"Oh Arthas has been holding back the Scourge, if he hadn't it would have overrun the world a long time ago"

Way to make your characters work to stop them seem utterly pointless, faggots.

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>>21945915
... that'll do.

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>>21945887
There's a number of problems with the two-faction setup.

You have to choose a side, black or white, good or evil. You must also come from a select few places. Essentially you can choose to start in either of two nations and the game progresses linearly from there. The entire experience is polarized and predictable because of the inbuilt dichotomy.

>>21945921
It was a shitstain on an otherwise perfect fight.

>>21945921
>whenever there's a deep psychological point anywhere it's a given that someone who doesn't understand it is going to call it the most retarded thing ever to be conceived

>>21945915
That is totally in character for him. Its much better than what I was expecting for him

>>21945911
I'll say. I remember when it was coming out, I was so psyched to play a Tauren Warrior with the giant totem or an Orc Grunt in the middle of a proper Horde or a Troll Bezerker flipping your shit.
And then they all got turned into the same bloody thing.

Also, why the fuck would you waste a character like Drek'Thar? He had some serious potential in regards to being the basis of the entirety of the Hordes return to Shamanism along with maintaining a teacher-student relationship between him and Thrall, which would have been great to use in the entire Thrall-Garrosh story

>>21945946
Aye, thats true. I was just pointing out that there is a lot of smaller factions to mess around with. Besides, we've already come up with a third faction.

>>21945573
I can't take Knaak seriously after that one story a guy made about Rhonin by Knaak.

>>21945933

It's really why I like Pandaria over the previous stuff. It feels a lot more small-scale. More whacky hijinx stuff. And unless they go back on what they said, no big villain pulling the strings.

>>21946019
I'd like to say thank god, but after doing some reading, I came up with some bits and piece about how the new Troll Empire is trying to resurrect the old Shogu Khan they used to serve ages ago in fighting in order to gain a foot hold in Pandaria.

So, possible Raid boss.

>>21946030

Oh sure, but it's still on a more small-scale thing than "Deathwing is blowing the world up" or "Arthas is blowing the world up" or... well. TBC didn't really have a metaplot as such, but basically it was still "Illidan and Kael try to blow the world up".

>>21946030
The ending raid will be the revolution against Garrosh Hellscream in Orgrimmar.

Also, I agree that this xpack is a lot better than Cataclysm, which was really horrible and a clusterfuck of what the hell.

It's already done.

>>21945996
I can't take Knaak seriously after the hackish shit he's written himself. Seriously, it's on a level where most fanfiction writers would be embarrassed.

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>>21945973
Well, in hindsight, they basically telegraphed their lack of care for Drek'thar by turning him into a Stock PvP Boss (see attached image). So... yeah.

>>21945996
... you're going to have to expand this point more.

>>21946019
If it feels more like vanilla!WoW (i.e. exploring the world at your own pace, no big bad villain laughing in your face from start to finish), that would make MoP a lot more tempting to me.

>>21946040
Forgot about that.
Damn shame that, having read some of the bits and pieces surrounding it apparently Garrosh kills Vol'jin, Caine mans the fuck up etc So fun times ahead for the Horde

>>21946036
Well, apart from the shitty Illidan plotline (he was here because he was advertised as the first character from War III that we'll have to kill, basically), I found that BC storyline was really well done, with the discovery of Kael corruption leading to the great final at the Sunwell with the coming of Kil'Jaeden (my favorite big evul guy of the setting)

>>21946056
Wha-

The fuck would they kill off Vol'jin for!? He's barely had his time in the sun, for chrissakes, and they choose to expand on his character by /killing him off/?

>>21946056
Derp Baine. I miss Caine Bloodhoof ;_;

you just run any campaign but add a BOWELS roll

>>21946068
He survives, Chen show up after the "assassination" and find him still clinging to life, he take him to a pandaren village to heal him.

>>21946053
>If it feels more like vanilla!WoW (i.e. exploring the world at your own pace, no big bad villain laughing in your face from start to finish), that would make MoP a lot more tempting to me.

It is more like vanilla in the sense there's no genuine threat to the world you're working against. But the "pvp" storyline is there in the background and will continue through the thing. Both factions race to Pandaria to recruit, enslave or otherwise occupy it before the other faction does, while the Horde chafes under Garrosh being a giant dumbass.

I mean, there are storylines that run through it, with the Zandalari, the Sha, the Mogu, the Mantid etc, but it will (according to them) not lead into a big "Oh another Old God was doing it" storyline.

Or something. I dunno. It's more open-ended and less linear, and has more lighthearted-but-not-retarded stuff in it.

YMMV

>>21946068
Because Activision-Blizzard hates Trolls?
Nah, I think its to build up to a massive civil conflict within the Horde and the Troll finally getting feed the fuck up with the Discrimination they face in Ogrimmar.

>>21946082
Thank you for bringing hope back to me

Rolled 3, 6, 3 = 12

>>21946074

Did I make my BOWELS roll?

>>21941917
Half of what you're saying here is what actually happened.

>>21946103

no. you are going to wreck one of stormwinds non-exisatent toilets

>>21946082
>>21946096
... oh good, that makes it a little better.

>>21946088
Yeah, I'm fine with that, if not the various lore/scriptwriting stuff Blizzard's been doing. Thanks for the heads-up.

>>21946123
>Yeah, I'm fine with that, if not the various lore/scriptwriting stuff Blizzard's been doing. Thanks for the heads-up.

S'cool, I'd never try to rope someone into playing a Blizzard game. If people aren't interested, you're a dick to try to make things look better than they are, right?

Personally I only play WoW to hang out with my mates overseas that I can never meet otherwise, and that's the only game we (vaguely) have in common.

>>21942066
>>21942282
Except the whole island is gone now, due to Cataclysm. The weird pseudo-alliance of trolls (consisting of the chief Zandalari, as well as Amani, Sandfury(now called Farraki), Drakkari and Gurubashi for some reason) are trying to move in with the Mogu in Pandaria, because of some ancient pre-Sundering alliance and also a prophecy where a troll raises the Mogu Thunder King from the dead (it happens).

>>21946158
That just makes them all the more desperate.

Anyway, they're being lead by the Troll King-Voodoo Shaman, but not many Troll listen to him because hey they're Troll and they all hate each other. Its a big thing about them trying to reunite their shattered Empire, which would involve all the Tribes lending aid (Including the Darkspear, Shatterspear and the other Horde Tribe, despite Vol'jin rejected the Kings plans)

>>21946145
True enough, especially given new!Blizzard...

God, I know that feel; it was the main line of communication/relation between a friend and I after college, but we both kind of dropped off after a while.


... on an unrelated note, I wish they would expanded on the vague hint (on their old website and/or tangential lore) that ALL elves might actually have evolved/descended/magically mutated from some troll or proto-troll race. The potential possibilities- or, okay, the potential elven tears...

>>21946216
>... on an unrelated note, I wish they would expanded on the vague hint (on their old website and/or tangential lore) that ALL elves might actually have evolved/descended/magically mutated from some troll or proto-troll race. The potential possibilities- or, okay, the potential elven tears...

Pretty much assumed to be true, although they generally refer to them as proto-trolls, in the sense that this hypothetical primitive humanoid split into two lines. Elves (magically altered by Elune) and trolls (who went on to form the Gurubashi Empire)

>>21946216
That was told in an issue of wow mag which covered the origins of the races, night elves evolved from dark trolls, according to Cenarius and the Titan's monitoring device of Northrend.

>>21946053
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/697378-World-of-Warcraft-Lore-By-Richard-Knaak-(Spoilers)/
It never gets old.

>>21946216
They did.

They were some offshoot tribe that found the magical powers of the well of eternity and mutated due to its power. Then, following their change into Proto-Elf-Troll people, they use their magic to destroy both the Troll empires, the Amani and the Gurubashi, who were over-extended following the war and sealing of the Azj'Aqir Empire and had never seen nor fought anything with the abilities that the original Elf Mages could pull off.

Then they started getting hooked on that shit and the Burning Legion turned up for fun times, causing Kalimdor to split into three.
(On a side note, the Troll capital survived and was the meeting place and neutral ground for all Trolls till its supposed destruction during the Cataclysm)

Following that, the Elves got in a big row over how the original princess of the Elves and her homies where tripping balls on magic power (which caused the BL to turn up) till Furion, Illiadin and Tyrael(sp?) use the magic of Cenarius and the Emerald Dream to kick them in the cunt and send them across the sea, where their exposure to magic turned them into High elves while the Elves remaining in Kalimdor turned into Night Elves.

A whole lot more and stuff is in the book that came with Warcraft 3, which I'm reading, but thats the just of it.

>>21946251

Dark Trolls where originally considered a fake, legendary race unknown to scholars, till the were uncovered in the forests in the north of Kalimdor, along with the Sand Trolls who inhabited the old Azj'Aqir areas, thus bringing the Troll list of species up to 5, not including the various offshoots (like Dire/Berserker Trolls and Island Trolls) and their genetic progenitors, the Zandalar (who are behind the New Troll Empire movement)

The Dark Trolls themselves supposedly inhabit underground areas, such as the caverns formed by the World Trees roots, and are among the largest species of Trolls. However, they are also considered the one of the savagest species, with only the Ice Trolls being worse (who consider a hot meal to be the warm flesh of a fresh kill).

In the continuum of WoW, the Dark Trolls are at the brink of extinction due to a mixture of conflict with the Night Elves and the major damage done by Archimond to the World Tree, where the mainly inhabit
(HINT HINT, NUDGE NUDGE ABOUT NIGHT ELF ORIGINS)

>>21946300
>>21946354

But yeah, its basically confirmed that Trolls and Nerubians (for lack of a wider species term) are the origins of sentient life in Azeroth and all the problems in the world are due to the Elves being Elves.

Any more questions about Pre-History Azeroth or even Draenor, feel free to ask.

>>21946384
>Nerubians

Didn't they evolve from the Aqir, alongside the Qiraji (and maybe the Mantid)?

>>21946384
Aqir were the original race of sentient insectoids, which would later split in the nerubians in Northrend (atheists and against the old gods) and the Quiraj in Silithus (fanatics of C'Thun)

>>21946411

Basically the proto-race of insectoids was the Aqir, and after their empire was smashed up each Old God took one Aqir population and changed/enslaved them to serve them.

Yogg-Saron took the future nerubians to Northrend where they built Azojol-Nerub/Ahn-ahket. Most of them were later slain in internicine fighting and reanimated, and the surviving free nerubians are now fighting both Old God and Scourge taint.

The southern part of the Aqir were taken by C'thun to become the Qiraji, who established the Empire of the Shifting Sands in Silithus, creating the silithid as a slave race. They were very close to their god, most of them dwelling behind an enchanted barrier which the Dragonflights had used to seal them off during the last great war in the region.

The Mantid were a third, previously unknown Aqir offshoot, dwelling in the area that after the Sundering became Pandaria. They were servitors of an Old God called Y'shaarj, but their patron had been slain already by the Titans and has remained dormant until this day. As such, the mantid chose to continue under their own jurisdiction, forming a societal hive culture ruled by a Queen and the Klaxxi council. They do, however, fully confess that should the Old Gods rise again, the mantid will return to follow them loyally

>>21946417
>>21946411
Thanks, I'd forgotten the overall name.

But yeah, the Aqir where created by the Old Gods being annoying fucks doing what they do best, and their past history consists of them settling the desert in the West of the original Kalimdor and starting a war of attrition with the two rival Troll empires (the Amani and the Gurubashi) which went to complete shit for them, as the Trolls managed to win the war of Attrition, which apparently lasted over a THOUSAND years, and split them into two remaining kingdoms, the citadel of Azjol-Nerub, home of the Nerubians (and we all know what happened to them) and Ahn'Qiraj who lived in the southern deserts.

>>21946475
Derp, Listen to what this guys is saying, he is both a scholar and a gentleman.

>>21946384

It also makes a lot of sense for elves to be descended from trolls. Look at a night elf. I mean, look at them the way they were presented in WCIII before player faggotry.

A savage forest-dwelling race devoted to worship of natural spirits, living closely with beasts, and favoring going barefoot and skimpily dressed. Basically the only difference here is cosmetic. More toes and fingers, smaller noses and no tusks.

>>21946505
>But yeah, the Aqir where created by the Old Gods being annoying fucks doing what they do best, and their past history consists of them settling the desert in the West of the original Kalimdor and starting a war of attrition with the two rival Troll empires (the Amani and the Gurubashi) which went to complete shit for them, as the Trolls managed to win the war of Attrition, which apparently lasted over a THOUSAND years, and split them into two remaining kingdoms, the citadel of Azjol-Nerub, home of the Nerubians (and we all know what happened to them) and Ahn'Qiraj who lived in the southern deserts.

Also the war of attrition between trolls and aqir sufficiently weakened both races so that lesser ones which had previously basically been prey had a chance to evolve and form primitive societies of their own, which eventually led to humans, dwarves, gnomes and such making their own lands.

>>21946475
I did not know that diddle about the Mantid! Thank you friend-o!

>>21946539

The reason I spoilered it is because it is the payoff for grinding Klaxxi reputation to exalted. Not that it wasn't easy to guess anyway.

You're welcome.

>>21946525
And the freaky Magic.

Seriously, say what you want about the Night Elves and High Elves currently, but remember, these are the badass motherfuckers that mastered a source of Power that the Troll where terrified of and managed to destroy two massive empires that had lasted for more than a thousand years in less than a decade. Seriously, respect those guys.

>>21946537
I thought I mentioned that before?
>>21946300
But yeah, you are right, the defeat of the Troll empires allowed the various other sentient races to begin developing their own and form their own kingdoms.

>>21946557
As I said.
Gentleman and a Scholar.

>>21946571
>Seriously, say what you want about the Night Elves and High Elves currently, but remember, these are the badass motherfuckers that mastered a source of Power that the Troll where terrified of and managed to destroy two massive empires that had lasted for more than a thousand years in less than a decade. Seriously, respect those guys.

Well, the ones that weren't corrupted by the Burning Legion are pretty cool guys. As usual "demons corrupted it" or "Old Gods corrupted it" is the root cause of everyone going crazy in the setting, more or less.

Tyrande was cool, back before she became a sycophantic schoolgirl who weeps after the men in her life and needs glasses because she can barely see anymore.

Fuck. You. Knaak.

Am I the only one who was mostly okay with the Draenei/eredar retcon?

I still kinda wish that the Broken/Lost Ones were playable, but a race of demonic zealots that worship crystalline star-gods is good, too.

But really, how can anyone believe that the Naaru are good?
A: They're psychic, and everything psychic in Warcraft is bad. The Old Gods, some kinds of demons, and shadow priests.
B: They communicate exclusively through mind-rape/forcing emotions on people.
C: They have a habit of "converting" people to the light, and being mindlessly worshiped.
Personally, I think they're the original Old Gods of Argus, who are manipulating the Draenei through their psionic space crystals(Which Old Gods are known to use.)

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The fanart does not help their case either.

>>21946648
It was the high Queen of the Eleven Kingdom and the many noble houses and advisors that began to overdose on the powers of the Sunwell. Unsurprisingly, Illiadin was among the advisors to the Queen.

This resulted in them becoming more and more addicted to the power of the Well of Eternity and them starting to abuse their powers. As such, a young Furion basically ran into Cenarius in some ancient magical grove, yadda-yadda-yadda, boom, Druidic powers. Then he met up with his GF Tyrande who was some awesome Priestest of the Moon, and they went to organize a beat down for the Queen.

Unfortunately, the Queen was beginning to lose it, and was starting to get even more wrapped up in magic and beginning to contact the agents of the Burning Legion, who told her that it would be an AWESOME idea to let the Burning Legion onto the mortal plane.

At this point, Tyrande got Illiadin to let them into the palace but he pussyied out at the very end and didn't help or hinder either side during the big fight, and instead went to bottle some of the water of the Well of Eternity, while Furion/Tyrande bet their asses.

This all culminated in the Sargaras sticking his dick through the portal and splitting Kalimdor in twain thanks to his mighty girth, but the Night Elves, along with allies from various races like the dragon aspects, stabbed him in the dick and made him forever mad at Azeroth.

>>21946765

After all this shit went down, Azeroth had been changed into how we see it today, but Furion was still made as fuck and sent the Queen and her junkie friends away across the sea, where they made the Sunwell and were generally a nuisance.

Then Furion and co. sailed away from the remains of the Well of Eternity, which became the Maelstrom, to new Kalimdor in the west.

Of course, when they turned up, they were mad as balls to find out that Illiadin had gotten there first and recreated the Well to feed his addiction, so Furion locked him underneath the world.

Then the Dragons showed up again and help make the world tree to control the energies of the Well. The rest is easy to know if you played the warcraft games.

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>>21946765
>high Queen of the Eleven Kingdom

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>>21946780
This is her before OD'ing and going crazy

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>>21946801
Then her during Sagaras Glory hole attempt on Azeroth

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>>21946804
And this is her now.

Admit it, you'd give her the dick in every single form. I would too

>>21946765
>>21946769

Well yeah. The Highborne were explicitly described as being dicks even before the corrupting arcane magic thing. Probably some heavy-handed social commentary on the danger of having a "noble" class who just sit around on their asses all day. And Aszhara was born extremely pampered and always told how amazing she was due to her stupid golden eye thing so of course she grew up to be a spoiled brat.

Gist of it is, everyone was better off once the Highborne got kicked out (and then they went over to Quel'thalas to basically try and repeat the same mistakes all over again).

>>21946815

Naw, mang. The elven forms, sure. Octopus? Noooope-.

Vanilla was shit and the only reasons people like it are Nostalgia Goggles and because they were some non-hybrid butthurt about how hybrids STOL DER JUBZ.

Vanilla was pure shit and it bred a WAAC mentality that alienated a SHIT-TON of players.

>>21946896
Now if only we were talking about gameplay instead of Lore... Oh wait

>>21946952
A lot of people were talking about gameplay, so fuck your face.

Also to everyone who says "WAAAAH ILLIDAN SHOULD'VE BEEN KILLED IN AN RTS NOT 40 NAMELESS PLEBS IN AN MMO" then I ask you is it any different from 40 unnamed Footmen doing the deed? No, shut the fuck up.

>>21946997
You seem rather upset over this.
Is this something you'd like to talk about?

>>21947008
Nah, just been playing Warcraft since I was in diapers and played WoW since Vanilla, haven't tried Pandaland though cause I got sick of the game for now, might try it later.

It's not that i'm personally upset, it's because I have seen people complain about the same things for years and they're all either nostalgia-skewed views or stupid shit that isn't even true, only they believe their own stupidity as fact.

>>21946804
>>21946801

Hnnngh.

I would take her out for a romantic dinner while talking about her interests and try to build a common ground between us. I would then continue to court her, trying to help her overcome her crippling self-image issues and let her feel comfortable about just being herself instead of pretending to be the god-queen to everyone, including herself hopefully leading to a relationship built on understanding and trust.

Fuck you captcha. Fuck you.

>>21947026
WHAT A SICKO!
>>>/d/

>>21947026
Sorry mate She's into that Demon dick

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>>21947026
Aw man, there goes my lunch!

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Less use of "LOL ANCIENT EVIL MAGIC" in creating villains. Why does everyone have to be corrupted by something? Increasingly I find myself thinking that the best villains in WoW are the ones who are just straight-up dickbags.

Like Magatha. She's been hovering in the background all through WoW and comes off as just being a bitch. While, at the same time, seeming like an intelligent person, more of a manipulator than personally powerful. Plus she's old, and old ladies never get to do anything in... anything. She's a breath of fresh fucking air. Like, if she set up Cairne's death not just to get rid of him, but to set up a civil war within the Horde? And then they made her one of the main antagonists of the revolution against Garrosh thing? That'd be cool.

The next time they have a big villain, I hope they learned the right balance from TBC and WoTLK. You want the villain to have enough presence to make the players invested in defeating them, but not swing them out so often they become Dr. Claw always saying they'll get them next time.

>>21947121
Man, fuck that Cow woman.

>>21947039
HEY, DON'T SEND THAT SICK SHIT OVER TO /D/. WE HAVE STANDARDS GODDAMNIT

>>21942044
Wasn't the issue with Varimathras that he was a dreadlord, a brand of demon specifically designed to excel at deception and lies? He had convinced Sylvanas she was in control of him up until the final betrayal. It's like, bitch, you trusted a DREADLORD, a type of demon known specifically for lies and deceit. You brought this upon yourself.

>>21942066
That was the whole point of the troll revival patch in Cata. The Zandalar were specifically trying to reunite the disparate troll states into a new troll empire. The Darkspear said "fuck that" (mostly because all other trolls are fucked up compared to them) and convince the Horde and Alliance to stop the unification.

>>21947162

Is that fuck that cow woman in the sense that you think the game could do without her, or fuck that cow woman as a declaration of personal dislike and/or resentment? Because the latter is a rather prized quality in a villain.

Or is it an imperative

because then I'd have to regretfully decline

>>21946868
>Ont liking octopus women

You do not belong on /tg/.

>>21942734
The idea for troll druids was that one of the loa convinced the prototype druids to force parlay with ALL the loa, particularly one super-powerful one that is essentially the aspect of nature, saying that they shouldn't have to commune with any one loa. The other loa disagree, trolls say tough shit. We druids now.

>>21947276

Anonymous you go over to that saggy old nine-foot buffalo lady and you give her your puny human dick right NOW!

>>21947026

wtf

>>21946722
I was wondering when people would pick up that shadow priests are the closest thing to being a psionic in Azeroth.

>>21947276
Fuck her inn the sense of 'wow, the cow women is a fucking bitch'.

Although the third option may also be considered

>>21950214

Well, that's a trait you want in your antagonist.

The first thing you said, that is.