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>>26513061

The last time the council ring convened, the decision was made to guide one of our kin into the godplane so that they may undertake a hero quest. We've given magic to quests, and now is the peak time of the season for our chosen god, Elmal.

There was also the suggestion that our clan chief, Garstal, be the one to undergo Elmal Guards the Stead. Are there any objections to our chief undergoing such a great and momentous task, or should another loyal Elmali undertake this challenge?

>>26513172
Fuckin DO IT. Fuck the others. You gotta handle stuff by yourself.

I do know this is not the place, but I need to share it. Not so long ago had a weird dream of me playing a crossover of King of the Dragon Pass with The Ur-Quan Masters.

>>26513172
Chief can man up and be a hero

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>>26513212

That sounds... interesting. I don't even know how that would work.

>>26513202
>>26513213

Garstal dons the ritual armor and ceremonial shield of Elmal in preparation for his journey into the godplane. Once more, we undergo this journey without assistance from our allies, as the Blackrocks failed to send anyone to assist our efforts. Perhaps they are off raiding the Vostangs in our honor.

But right now, what should Garstal quest for? What should he hope to bring back from the godplane? Seeing as how he's the clan chief, empowering himself would make him and even finer leader. Or he could bless all our nobles with Elmal's light. Fine horses would help our trade and war efforts, or we could ask for Elmal's aid when we are attacked or when we assault others. What our leader strives for is your decision.

>>26513268
Fuck everyone else. Empower himself!

>>26513268
are we having problems with being raided? if not, strengthening our clan leader doesn't seem like a bad idea

>>26513323

We've proven quite adept at defending ourselves. Attacking others has proven less fruitful.

>>26513268
Strengthen the quester.

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>>26513319
>>26513323
>>26513350

Here is how the quest is supposed to go, but of course you all can tell me to do other things, when the time comes.

>>26513394
We shall carve our own path.

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>>26513394

Orlanth has left the realms of the living, to repair the broken world. While he is gone, his most loyal and dependable thane, Elmal guards his tribe, the Vinkotlings against the legions of chaos. The first beast to assault Orlanth's clan is the Eater of Skin, a terrible monster whose very cry causes men to bleed.

What should Garstal do to slay such a monster?

>>26513448
Sing a song of comforting valor.

>>26513448
Aw yiss, let's lullaby that angry mass of maws.

>>26513448
SPEAR EYE THRUST ENGAGE

>>26513503
CAN YOU EVEN SEE AN EYE TO STAB?

>>26513448
OH FUCK DONT PANIC

UHH

QUICK! SING AT IT!

>>26513448
Stab it in the eye with our spear, fuck it up!

>>26513448
Stab it in the eye! Blind our foe that we might smite them all the harder.

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>>26513477
>>26513489
>>26513530


Garstal's song wounds the evil creature, and chokes its rending cry in its throat. However, this leaves our quester vulnerable, and he is wounded.

>>26513553
ah FUCK that's what you get for not STABBING IT IN THE EYE

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>>26513553

Stopping the creature from singing does not defeat the monster, though. What tactic should Garstal employ now?

>>26513573
>Into its eye
>Eye
>Singular
So, basically you are going to shove your spear into his chaotic anus? Because the damn thing doesn't seem like having an ocular cavity.

>>26513573
Let it tear you apart.

>>26513573
Stab it in the eye!

>>26513573
COMMENCE WITH OPERATION EYE STAB.

>>26513573
Eye + spear = stabbage.

>>26513573
EYE STAB ENGAGE

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>>26513608
>>26513621
>>26513636
>>26513637

The cry of the terrible monster cuts another wound into our clan leader, but the evil beast lies dead. For now, the Vinkotlings are safe.

>>26513608
>>26513621
>>26513636
>>26513637
STABCEPTION

>>26513605
What happens if you choose this?

>>26513680
You lose the quest.

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>>26513664

When the battle is concluded, however, our leader is rent asunder. Orlanth's tribe wails in sorrow as their defender lays low. What should we give to Garstal in order to allow him to keep fighting?

>>26513680

It usually gets me a dead hero quester.[/spoiler[

>>26513680
You turn to skittles and feed the tribe for a whole year.
You kill them by diabetes

>>26513710
Give of your tears.

>>26513710
TEARS!

>>26513710
we got tore the fuck up, time to shed manly tears.

>>26513710
We weep, for we can fight no more.

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>>26513730
>>26513742
>>26513749
>>26513767

After mourning for our leader, he re-assembles himself and is fit to fight once more.

>>26513778
It's official - we're Wolverine.

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>>26513778

The next beast to assault the tula of the Storm Tribe is the Author of Sores, a foul beast who interferes with healing. Flesh knows not how to knit itself together in its presence.

What should Garstal do to slay the Author of Sores?

>>26513802
Hit head with club. Crush like melon.

>>26513802
Let's wind buffet this bitch

>>26513823
Sounds good to me, pop her head like a zit.

>>26513802
Club her head in.

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>>26513823
>>26513861
>>26513872

A swift strike separates the monster's head from its body, but the body continues to attack and lash out at our clan chief.

>>26513802
Lance that bitch.

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>>26513895

The Author of Sores still stands, and many tactics remain for our leader to employ. What should he do next?

>>26513917
Spear time!

Laaaance.

>>26513895
Ram our lance into her, all 7 inches.

>>26513917
Chop at her legs.

>>26513917
Chop at her legs.

We must srperate each part.

>>26513959
This.

>>26513946
Agreed, chop her.

>>26513917
I still favor a wind buffet, but leg chopping should be a good move

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>>26513946
>>26513959
>>26513969
>>26513979
>>26513982

In retaliation for striking at her legs, the Author of Sores makes Garstal's own body fight him. But yet, she stands.

>>26513959
>We must srperate each part.
That is a good point, albeit with bad typing.
I'm in favor of slap chopping her.

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>>26514010

What is next for our chief, fellows? Orlanth's sword or our spear, or yielding to the evil beast?

>>26514010
Bring Orlanth's sword to bear, as we should have from the start

>>26514036
SPEEEEEAAAR!

>>26514036
Buffet her with wind!

Her body is split apart. It shall fly away like dust.

>>26514036
Orlanth's Sword will serve us well!

>>26514057
Damn straight!

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>>26514048
>>26514057
>>26514061
>>26514069

The winds from Orlanth's sword close up the creature's sores, the source of her power and weakening her sigificantly. Not so much that she stops fighting, though, and subjects Garstal's body to further injury.

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>>26514125

The only weapon we have left now is our spear. Should our chief go for it, or give up?

>>26514143
nah, let's just give the fuck up after all our har

OF COURSE WE STAB THE BITCH

>>26514143
Stab

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>>26514157
>>26514180

Garstal lunges and stabs his spear deep into the Author of Sores, but an oozing liquid from the beast's body eats away at him and does not fell her.

>>26514250
Told you we shoulda windbuffeted first

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>>26514250

It seems our leader will have to yield to the Author of Sores. Should he endure the savage attack, or retreat to the safety of our tula?

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>/tg/ plays King of Dragon Pass

yessss the manliest of all games

>>26514143

VIOLATE IT WITH YOUR LONG, POINTY, PHALLIC OBJECT

By the way, does /tg/ know the legend of Eurmal the Trickster inventing dildos so he could fuck the goddess of "having teeth in a bad place"?

Glorantha is ridiculously funny when you look into the lore, and it's also not that far off from how goofy actual myth was.

>>26514262
Let her rear you apparr.

>>26514262
do we actually lose if we let it tear us apart?

Elmal Guards The Stead is the hardest heroquest in the game. It chews through questors like Uralda's Blessing.

Why on earth would you send your chief on it? Especially this early on.

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>>26514291
>Even considering retreat as opposed to honorable seppuku.

>>26514262
Never retreat.

>>26514310
because FUCK YOU WE'RE THE FUCKING SKY SONS

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>>26514284
>>26514323

Garstal, our clan chief, is ripped asunder by the Author of Sores, and so is the rest of the Storm Tribe. The god-talkers distress at this terrible omen, and those who venerate Elmal are plagued with nightmares that haunt their waking hours. It seems today we did not live up to the standards of our god, Sky Sons. A day we shall mourn for years to come.

Enjoy your walktapus.

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>>26514310

Bro, Elmal Guards the Stead isn't nearly as bad as Uralda's Blessing. Uraladans are a bunch of cow-hugging schmucks with terrible Combat sent on one of the most brutally combat-intensive heroquests, and if they somehow survive all the biting things, they have to pass a ridiculous Bargaining check so that the steers don't just crush them in the final decision

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>>26514365

As we mourn the death of our leader, we're approached by a troll by the name of Umguluk. Se says she knows we hold the Iron Spike, and as long as we hold it, we will have no peace from the trolls. However, if we give it up to her, we will have peace with her kind.

Obviously this will infuriate the Lead Breakers if they find out, but is peace with the trolls worth it?

>>26514423
We eat trolls for breakfast.

>>26514423
Attack her for disrespecting our time of mourning!

>>26514444

So then what would you have us do? Attack her?

>>26514444
Unfortunately, Breakfast was a chaos foe who nearly destroyed our clan in the great darkness.

>>26514423
Attack

>>26514423
Give it to her, the way the clan's behaving, we could do with the iron spike.

>>26514444
Bad King Urgrain once ate a troll for breakfast. He spent the next season with constipation.

>>26514505
Er, lead eyes, not iron spike.

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>>26514469
>>26514485

More names are added to the list of the dead as Umguluk slays many of our kin bare-handed. Many fear for the safety of the tula now, between the loss of warriors and the newfound enmity with the trolls.

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>>26514522

This damned season of war has not seen fit to let go of us yet either, as the Osgosi are on our doorstep and thirsting for blood. We're outnumbered two to one, but we do have the benefit of home ground and Humakt's Shield to protect us. But then the question becomes: how do we repel these invaders from our homes?

>>26514547
Those cunts. Let's get us some magic and use that shield

>>26514565

The shield always benefits us, as it strengthens our fortifications. Of which we have many.

>>26514576
well let's sacrifice to Humakt then, and then skirmish with them

>>26514522
Rassin frassin heroes, with their non-standard gods, and high skills.

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>>26514547

Trusting in Humakt's blessings, our warriors fell back to the safety of our fortifications, while the Osgosi maneuvered their forces. Neither force clashed, as the Sky Sons held their ground and our foes couldn't find an opening. Let us be thankful that, at least today, no more Sky Sons have died.

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>>26514659

The season of blood is finally over, and Earth Season is now upon us. Thankfully, the new farmers we have will provide us with plenty of food throughout this season, and we avoided starvation.

Now the clan cries out for a new chief to lead them, however. Shall we replace the fallen, or attend to other matters?

>>26514694
a new chief must be chosen!

>>26514694

We don't have much better to do in harvest time and we're like a headless chicken with no chief.

Take the opportunity to rearrange the circle.

Holy fuck, you guys really don't know how to play this game, do you?
>attack
>attack
>attack

gg, tg, this is now how you play kodp

>and i bet there is only 2 people in this thread playing with the Ring Speaker, one who is a dick, the other who has never played kodp before

>>26514760

Always attack, always ford the river. That's just how things are done.

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>>26514714
>>26514726

It's tradition for an Elmali to lead the Sky Sons, so the position of chief is fought over by two candidates. Unfortunately, both suffered when Garstal failed in his heroquest, and their abilities to lead have been shaken somewhat. Also, the clan remembers the omen given to us by Eurmal, about how we need to replace over half the council ring. Including a new chief, that means at least three new faces on the ring.

The first is Endal, a skilled law-keeper and craftsman.

>>26514813
Perhaps we should seek to replace some of the older members while we're reorganizing. Since they're going to die soon and all.

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>>26514813

The other option for an Elmali leader is Korlaman, a skilled god-speaker and magic worker. Before his skills were sapped, he was easily the best mage amongst the Sky Sons.

Are either of these men fit to lead the Sky Sons, or should another take up Garstal's old position?

>>26514845
My vote is for Endal, his higher leadership and adherence to our Patron Elmal will be needed

>>26514845
I choose korlanon.

>>26514878

I agree. While Korlaman may be a powerful mage, that doesn't necessarily qualify him for leadership. His power might be more useful elsewhere.

>>26514908
He has a 'fair' leadership. That's the worst one, short of not having leadership at all. He is in no way qualified to lead.
In case it wasn't obvious, I am for Endal.

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>>26514878
>>26514908
>>26514943

Endal takes up the seat vacated by our lost clan chief with sobriety and honor. Many hope a change in leadership changes the clan's luck.

The eldest members of the ring are Enastarra, Valensta, and Kenstrel, respectively. If we wished, Valensta could retire from the ring and focus solely on deal-making; Hankorl is the next-best trader in the clan, and venerates Chalana Arroy. Though, without Valensta on the ring, we couldn't give as much magic to trade; conversely, with Hankorl, we could give more magic to our people's health.

If there are other recommendations or requests you want of me in this process, I will give them posthaste.

>>26515006
Sounds like a good plan to me, more health is good health and his bargaining seems solid.

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>>26515036

Valensta relishes the idea of trading all year around, and Hankorl is ready to see to the health and magic of our clan.

Ernaldess is the only worshipper of Uralda in the clan, and thus can give more magic to our herds come Sacred Time. But she is not the most skilled in the ways of hoofed kin: that honor actually goes to Renatha, whose knowledge of animals is hands-down, the best in the clan. Should we allow Ernaldess to retire?

>>26515116

Alternatively, we could let Renalda replace Enastakos; she's almost as knowledgeable about farming as he is, allows for the same magics come Sacred Time, and we know all of his god's mysteries and have a shrine to him.

>>26515116
Yes.

Who is best at combat?

>>26515188
let's do that. I'd like to fit Ernaldess in there somewhere, if we can. More herd magic is always good

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>>26515191

Surprisingly, our Humakti, Fantarl, does not hold the title of best warrior in the clan. That title goes to our chief explorer, Ernaldess. She's also just as good of a leader as he, though he possesses more magic. She also venerates Odayla, meaning she would give us more magic towards hunting, not war come Sacred Time.

>>26515249
oh wait hang on, who worships Uralda then?

Wasn't there an omen at Sacred Time that we had to replace four of our ring members? This death must be a sign from the gods, our chief was meant to be replaced!

>>26515306
yea we're working on replacing them now.

although his death was less of an omen and more of a suicide

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>>26515275

Enastarra is the only god-talker of Uralda we have. Keeping her on the ring and swapping out Enostakos for Renalda keeps our magic the same.

>>26515306

Perhaps, though Eurmal took to cursing us rather quickly...

>>26515006
How good is his painting? He looks an awful lot like Bob Ross.

>>26515328
I don't think we need Enastarra if we have Renatha for animals.

>>26515328
oh ok you said it was Ernaldess in the previous post and I was rather confused.

I suppose we can do without the herd magic then, she'll probably die soon anyway.

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>>26515339

Hankorl's? His skills in customs and leadership are moderate, meaning he is a serviceable, though perhaps not exceptional.

>>26515377

All the 'En' names were getting to me, too.

Is this how we want the council ring to look, fellow thanes?

>>26515404
as long as we've replaced four, it seems good. We would do well to heed the omens, considering our fortune in that last hero quest

>>26515404
Yep, that's exactly how I want it, anyone object?

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>>26515429
>>26515430

Endal, Renalda, Hankorl, and Ernaldess all are inagurated as the new members of the council ring. All of the Sky Sons hope that this change of leadership will give us a change in luck as well.

And indeed, perhaps it has already, for our explorers have found the body of a dragonnewt. According to legends, the body of a dragonnewt can be forged into mighty armor, but some members of the ring see our shrunken herds and wish to trade it away or given as a gift..

What should we do with this newfound treasure?

>>26515404
Seems good to me.

>>26515504
MIIIGGHHTTTYYY AARRMOOORRRR

>>26515504
Trade it for cows, we need them more.

>>26515504
Trade.

>>26515504
ARMOUR UP!

>>26515504
Armor.

If armor doesn't win, leave it alone

>>26515504
Trade it for what the clan needs.

>>26515504
SWAP FOR COWS!

>>26515504
We need cattle more than armour.

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>>26515558
>>26515575
>>26515580

It seems while we may be good at slaying great and legendary creatures, the Sky Sons have no talent for harvesting them. Our crafters could not make armor from the remains of the dragonnewt.

>>26515614
FIRE EVERY SINGLE CRAFTER

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>>26515614

It seems harvest is something else the Sky Sons are good at, as our stock swell with more than enough to feed the clan and Earth Season almost completed.

However, sickness grips much of the clan, hindering our ability to defend ourselves and take of the earth's bounty. Sacrifices to Chalana Arroy could bring us the Curing ritual, or we could wait for next Sacred Time to give magic to Health. Or perhaps the concerns of the Sky Sons are away from the diseased lying in bed.

>>26515660
It's Ernaldness' first season and I'm already sick of her.

>>26515698

Can you blame a follower of Odalya for wanting more hunters, especially when our woods can accommodate 14 more?

>>26515713
clearly we need less woods.

>>26515660
we should try for the curing ritual now, before we have too many sick

>>26515743

Others in the clan have wished the same thing, though our lack of oxen and sick brethren limit our ability to take on new fields.

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>>26515750

Our gifts of silver and cloth please the Lightbringer, and she gives us the secrets needed to cure our sick. A shrine to her or a ritual sacrifice will allow us to use our newfound knowledges.

>>26515789
Ah, how fortuitous! A sign that our recent council changes are for the better. Let's build that shrine posthaste

>>26515810
I agree.

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>>26515789

Sickness grips our kin as snow blankets the land. Getting to the tulas of other clans will prove difficult, but building on our own land or managing our resources can be done even when we cannot see past our borders.

We already have one call to build a shrine to Chalana Arroy. Are there objections to such?

>>26515838
I think it'd be better to have a shrine for healing than curing. We should just sacrifice for curing.

>>26515883
at this time, we only know the curing blessing. If, in the future, we learn the healing one, we can switch the same shrine over, or expand the shrine for both

>>26515907
Yeah, I guess that makes more sense for long term. Let's shrine up.

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>>26515810
>>26515834
>>26515883
>>26515936


It seems there is a strong desire for a shrine to the Healer, and thus, one is erected under Hankorl's guidance. Perhaps once those taken by illness return to their roles, we'll enact rites of restoration instead of rites of curing.

Despite the depths of Dark Season, visitors come to our tula. Not trolls coming to slay us, thankfully, instead travelers from a far-off land seeking to breathe free and earn their own keep.

Enthralling them would appall our ancestors, who did not enslave others. The entire council ring calls for amnesty and justice to them, but some also point out we do not have many cows for them to tend to. We could assign them land as cottars, so as to not offend our unhappy carls, or advise they go to a nearby clan such as the Rakistanis. How do the Sky Sons treat those who come to us for aid?

>>26515907

We actually know both, but we have no injured and many sick.

>>26515991
Make them be thralls, fuck the ancestors, lol.

Obvious sarcasm, make them cottars.

>>26515991
oh ok, well we can switch over if we sustain injuries. Curing is imperitive now though.

As for the travelers, the Carls would not be happy if we gave them cattle. However, they came to us and we must aid them; they can start as cottars

>>26515991
Do we even like the Rakstanti? There's no map of clan relations in this thread.

>>26515991
Cottars.

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>>26516051

We do not love them nor hate them. We do owe them a favor, however.

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>>26516017
>>26516030
>>26516054

It seems that becoming cottars was not the hope of Kurash for his family, but he does attend the lands we give him with loyalty befitting an Elmali.

>>26516076
It would be nice to be rid of a debt, but I think we need the workers (and cannon fodder) more.

>>26516098
Don't give us that look, beggars can't be carls. That's an expression, right?

>>26516127
it is now

>>26516127
Nice phrase.

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>>26516098

The rituals to Chalanna Arroy are invoked, and hopefully by next Sea Season, our sick cottars will be fit to till the soil for next year's harvest.

It's a small light amidst much darkness this year, but I do have a bit of good news to report. It seems sometime, we picked up a trade route with the Wolves! Our market convenes Seasonally now, and we're trading away as many fine goods as we can without a temple to Issaries, about 50 cows worth of profit a year. Perhaps the Sky Sons are not as cursed as they say.

But for now, cold still grips our lands in the depths of Dark Season. How should we pass these frozen days until Storm Season comes to us?

>>26516175
Hm. Perchance a feast? Or, if we have the means, finish our fortifications?

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>>26516193

Despite our newfound sources of wealth, we do not yet have all the materials needed to finish off our fortifications. A feast is possible, though we should be careful not to strike our food supplies too firmly. Or perhaps send Valensta out to trade soon, and ask for both food and cattle.

>>26516193
I was going to ask, how are our fortifications looking?

>>26516229
attempting to trade in Dark Season? Sounds ballsy enough to be worthy of the Sky Sons. Let's get us some cattle.

>>26516175
Let's work on that temple so we can do so more trading by sacrificing for Issaries' mysteries.

>>26516257

I meant come Storm Season, but if it is the clan's desire, I will at least try. The benefit of our best trader not being on the clan ring is that she can go on missions without needing to worry about being back by Sacred Time.

>>26516274
ok yea let's do >>26516259 and then trade in storm season

>>26516259
I support this.

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>>26516259
>>26516315
>>26516322

Issaries gave us the secrets of the Spare Grain ritual. If we invoke its favor, then we shouldn't have to worry about our food supplies for some time, between it and our dutiful farmers.

However, the trolls are here and ready to make good on their earlier promise of slaughter. We're outnumbered once more, but we still have the blessings of Humakt on our side.

How will we protect ourselves from these monsters, fellows?

>>26516352
I'm not sure if we have time to pray. I'm not sure we need to waste magic on the brutes, either.

>>26516352
Sacrifice for protection, and drive them off.

>>26516404
I definitely see the trolls charging with those numbers.

Can someone remind me how the tactics work? I feel like maneuvering is best against an outnumbering charge, but I'm not sure.

>>26516451
maneuvering will get fucked by a charge. The best bet against a charge is Evade

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>>26516418

A number of good Sky Sons lay down their lives for the tula, and in return, the trolls are sent packing and have no chance to take from us. We're safe for another day.

>>26516476
hm. About as good an outcome as we could hope for, given the numbers.

>>26516476
>Outnumber the enemy 2-1
>Inflict a predicable 2-1 casualty ratio
>THEY KILLED BOB, SQUAD BROKEN, RETREAT!

Troll tactics at their finest ladies and gentlemen.

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>>26516476

With the trolls go the coldest days, and Storm Season allows us a better chance to meet our neighbors once more.

That last attack, combined with our sicknesses, has put a dent in our forces. Recruiting more thanes might be wise. As would acquiring more cattle before Sea Season comes around, or invoking the blessing we just learned from Issaries. What do the Sky Sons need the most?

>>26516539

Hey, if it works when the Vostangs do it to us...

>>26516540
A trade mission to acquire more cattle. We don't have immediate need of the blessing from Issaries, it can wait until next year.

>>26516540
If we can recruit more weaponthanes, we should, but we should also trade for cattle as we planned. Cattle should be first, so our trader can get back for Sacred Time.

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>>26516583

The Kadarvis possess the fattest herds in Dragon Pass, so sending Valensta there to buy cows strikes me as wisdom.

Another option we have is to take Elmal's Amber to market; our skirmishers are not numerous or particularly supported, and we could exchange it for a more useful treasure or acquire many goods for it. However, it is a gift from our chosen god directly...

>>26516658
All of the benefits we could get for selling it would be nothing next to his disappointment. We should keep the Amber

>>26516658
Says we owe them a favour (gods damn it, who don't we owe a favour?), would trading them the amber repay it?

>>26516722

Generally, pre-emptive gift-giving or repaying when asked fulfills a debt. Trade is trade.

>>26516753
Fuck it then, we need the cows more. Do we have enough horses to consider trading them away?

>>26516775

It may impact our ability to arm thanes slightly, but otherwise, yes.

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>>26516794

Valensta sets off to the Kadarvis with much of our silver and several of our horses, with expectations of cattle to be following her soon.

However, a chasm opens up in our fields, swallowing up a large chunk of our farmland. Many wish to ask the gods for protection from such occurences again, while the cottars just want to make sure they have enough farmland next Sea Season.

As bad as this seems, it may be a blessing in disguise. After all, it's quite the excuse to cut down trees...

>>26516896
>excuse to cut down trees...

Let's do it, no forest shall be safe from our wrath

>>26516967

The carls accept the promise, but expect to have it made real soon. Given that the planting season isn't far off, it's in everyone's best interests to make sure the farmers have enough land to feed everyone.

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>>26517055

And if you'll forgive me, guys, I think I'm going to wrap up a little early tonight. I got a lot of stuff to do tomorrow, and today's been a not friendly one. Plus, Sacred Time is coming up, and that takes a while to do. Next Tuesday, we'll finish up this year and move onto the next one. Orlanth bless us that it's better than this one.

This quest will soon be archived up at http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Sky+Sons and I offer apologies, updates, and reminders at https://twitter.com/RingSpeaker. Hope to see everyone around next thread!