At evening, the embers and fires die out from the enemy camp and your troops go to eat their gruel. Gao Shun remains ever diligent, patrolling the camp while Zhang Liao practices his spearplay. Song Xian eats with the rest of the men, throwing some boasts here and there about his successful decoy attack. Lu Lingqi sits on a crate, cleaning her blade and sighing slightly.

Right now you are deep in enemy territory, having decided to swiftly attack the enemy general Zhou Xin. You've decided to skip out on conquering and taking control of the enemy lands for a direct engagement with the enemy force instead. Wang Lang who has an estimated army of ten-thousand will be here in about two weeks.

It's a bit hard to tell what's the correct decision. Perhaps you should ask the advice of the others? It might be more impressive to your men and officers if you decide things on your own as a general, but getting a defeat on the other hand might be worse.

>Go and ask for advice from the other officers (Choose)
>Decide not to ask, you're the leader and you are sure of the decisions you are making

EXCITE

>>33115189
>>Go and ask for advice from the other officers (Choose)

Zhang Liao, he's your deputy.

>>33115189
>Go and ask for advice from the other officers (Choose)
Lingqi of course

>>33115189
>Go and ask for advice from the other officers (Gao Shun)
He's experienced and won't try to attempt any ridiculous stunts for maximum glory, he'll just try to get the job done.

>>33115209
this.

>>33115189
>Go and ask for advice from the other officers (Choose)
Zhang Liao for strategic advice, Fan Neng for advice on disposition of Zhou Xin and Wang Lang.

How can we get Zhou Xin to surrender?

> Just got home from work with a big 'ol lunch.
> TKQ is the first thread on /tg/

Fuck yeah.

>>33115189
>Go and ask for advice from the other officers (Zhang Liao)

>>33115189
>Summon all the officers for a War Council

No sense in just getting one general's opinion when it's best to think as a collective. A good leader asks all of his followers for advice before acting on the best decision.

>>33115189
>>Decide not to ask, you're the leader and you are sure of the decisions you are making

>>33115189
>You've decided to skip out on conquering and taking control of the enemy lands for a direct engagement with the enemy force instead

When the fuck did we decide that. What the hell people.

>>33115244
If this is an option, it's what I'm voting for

>>33115274
Because facing 3 armies of 2500, 3000 and 10000 is better than facing one army of 15500.

Obviously. Are you retarded?

>>33115189
>>33115235
Is Fan Neng with us? If so yes. Otherwise Zhang Liao and Gao Shun

>>33115244
Seconding this, why show favoritism?

>>33115244
Lets go with this. Asking one person when we have an entire cadre of officers is silly.

>>33115189
>>Summon all the officers for a War Council

Surely the best choice.

Ask Zhang Liao.

>>33115244
Seconding this, including all our officers will make them feel valued and should produce a better strategy.

>>33115303
But we could gain troops if we went around conquering.
I think we'll need to start setting up a lot of traps over this next two weeks.

>>33115303

We have siege units for a reason. We could of also mustered support. Now we're what 6500 men strong? Surely to drop to at least 5000 before we're fighting the 10k.

With, according to Raians read out no way of getting more troops.

War council!

>>33115274

Did you read the last thread at all?

Our strategic approach was a blitz to take out all the smaller armies before they could unify into a single army.

Securing a supply line was less important because (1) we still have 4.2 months of supply left, and (2) we would be massively outnumbered if they were allowed to unite their army.

We took out 3 separate garrisons/armies last thread for minor casualties. If we take out this last army, we only have Wang Lang's army to defeat.

>>33115357
>We could of also mustered support.
This province has been peaceful and we're invaders. No we couldn't.

>>33115274
We're taking our queus from Bobby Lee and Erwin Rommel.

>>33115360

What was to be a year long campaign one thread ago has turned into us going to fight the head general in a few weeks of actual fighting though.

>>33115392
It's unlikely we'll annihilate his army even if we win, so there will be a somewhat lengthy siege afterwards where we can go around and take solid control of the province.

A typical method of easy and cost effective assaults in ROTK is a well placed fireball trap, I suggest we set up a lot of those during this waiting period in opportune locations, especially if we are upon a slope.
If this garrison is based within a mountain we should find some good archer positions, as well as boulders to use against the enemy.
If there is a dam around, we could use a well placed flood attack, which could in theory wipe 90% of the enemy out.

>>33115350
>>33115357

Look, our initial choice in the last thread determined our campaign approach.

There were two perfectly legitimate strategies:

(1) Blitz and destroy the field armies piecemeal and then recruit for siege or
(2) Fight a war of attrition and slowly conquer the South

We chose 1, and it worked out well last thread. We need to stick to it because we literally can't switch gears right now.

We are a month away from our "conquered territories". We are about to fight and likely annihilate Zhou Xin's forces and we can take their defensive positions and use it against Wang Lang's forces.

If we retreat, we would be making a mistake.

>>33115189
I'm voting for summoning the war council tonite.

>>33115410

Which i think explains my reprehension. Even if we win (which i don't think we will) we're going to be in a weaker spot for it.

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>Playing RotTK XI while we're about to enter a war council in TKQ

This is unbelievably comfy

>>33115421

Not gonna be one of those dicks that said i'm right if this all goes tits up. But i got a bad feeling about this.

>>33115440
>weaker spot
>enemy is trapped in their garrison, can't leave because it no longer has the numbers to win a field engagement

I'm just happy no one is listening to your obviously terrible advice.

>>33115421
>Either one extreme or another extreme.

Raian literally told us last thread that an middleground approach was the best way of doing things.

>>33115421
There's no point in retreating now anyway, we just need to strategise currently.
We need to ask Raian about any terrain advantages, and perhaps find an opportune place to have those catapults set up. Hell, if it goes well enough we could hit the damn commander with a boulder.

>>33115189
>Go and ask for advice from the other officers: Zhang Liao

>>33115421
Def agreed. Stay the course. We're outnumbered, attrition cannot be our strategy. Numerically inferior forces only ever defeat numerically superior forces by the implementation of fast attacks and seizing the initiative on the Grand Strategy level, pressing the attack in the open field and avoiding being drawn into prolonged static conflicts.

This is how the South maintained an advantage in the early days of the Civil War. It was only when they were forced into fighting a war of attrition that they started to lose badly.

We do not have the numbers to do it the slow way.

>>33115189
WAR COUNCIL

>>33115410
>>33115440

It's better to meet an army on the field than behind the walls.

We know from Fan Neng that Wang Lang is an incompetent general, that our troop morale is high, and that we'll have defensive positions (i.e. those hills). Their morale will likely be low since we annihilated all their reinforcements.

I like our chances. But we have to be smart about taking out Zhou Xin's forces.

We outnumber them by 2.5 to 1 but they have defensive positions. Lowering their morale and getting them to surrender would be preferable to assaulting a defensive position.

>>33115392
Judging by how much food we've consumed, it's been two months.

>>33115523

People's point is that we could get more troops via the other option. It's moot though since we're on full steam ahead course for this blitz plan.

>>33115244
>>33115292
>>33115316
>>33115333
>>33115340
>>33115346
>>33115359
>>33115429
>>33115529

Titty-sprinkles, /tg/ actually strategizing for once!

>>33115541
Wait, are we assaulting another garrison? I'm confused

>>33115484

Citation Needed. He didn't even do a Q&A assessment last thread.

>>33115503

We have terrain disadvantage right now. Rolling hills, not a whole lot of foliage from Raian's picture.

Their main camp is in a disarray because of a successful fire attack.

>>33115574
>>33115576

SOMEBODY OUTLINE WHAT IS HAPPENING.

>>33115574
>>33115589

Zhou Xin is an enemy general. He had 3000 men in a defensive position on some hills. We fire attacked him and he lost 500, so he's down to 2500.

We have 6,350 troops, 2000 cavalry, and competent commanders. We also have 4.2 months of supply.

Wang Lang's troops (up to 10,000) lead by an incompetent general will be at our position in 2 weeks.

Therefore, we need to take out Zhou Xin in less than 2 weeks.

>>33115576
I'm thinking we should bring up the siege weapons. Surround the enemy on three sides so if they try to shift position we can pin them and then hit their flanks.

Keep up a barrage of ballista bolts and rocks until their morale is crumbling, ask for surrender and then if they refuse hammer them.

>>33115574
>>33115589

http://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/33052045/#33052045
>LAST TIME ON THREE KINGDOMS QUEST

>>33115616

We have 6,350 troops and 2000 HORSES.

So, 4,350 infantry, 2000 cavalry.

>>33115627

Can we have Fan Neng request their surrender?

>>33115627
No, we need to take the garrison as fast as we can, otherwise we won't have a good position against Wang Lang.
That being said, if we defeat him and flee, then rush to his castle with the cavalry, we could take it, assuming he took all of his troops

>>33115666

We also cant lose too many troops. Id say we have 1 week to play it safe. Time for some barrage and few ploys before we have to resort to the worst option.

>>33115666

I like this idea. Even if he doesn't bring all 10k men to fight us, we could march around and do what Fat Chou did to us at Chang'An

>>33115666
An assault costs too many casualties. They'll likely be on guard against sneaky attacks. They have superior field position, but that's a two edged sword - they can't leave that position if they want to deter our attacks. We have siege weapons, they don't. It's an open field, so they'll be particularly effective.

At the very least we'll lower their numbers when we do force an assault.

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You call up a war council, telling a soldier to gather all the generals for a meeting. In about an hour time, you have a council set up in the main tent with a table and chairs placed. All the generals present sit sternly, along with Fan Neng who is at the far end of the table. Lingqi looks bored, her elbow om the table and her head leaning on her hand.

"Greetings," you say to the generals. "I've called you all to see what you all think of the current situation. And to ask what moves we should make."

"Isn't it obvious?" Lingqi says with a scoff. "Why are we not taking this Zhou Xin down now? We have the advantage of numbers, we should take them quickly."

"They have the advantage of the hills..." Song Xian mutters.

"Regardless, we should defeat them swiftly as possible," Zhang Liao states. "The ploys we have initiated are robust, but we should defeat them in quick battle and retreat back to our own territories where we may gather more men and supplies."

>Agree with Zhang Liao and follow his plan
>Disagree with Zhang Liao, you want to do more indirect attacks to keep your own numbers strong
>State you wish to hold your position at the hills after defeating Zhou Xin and fighting Wang Lang

>>33115666
>assuming he took all of his troops
Big assumption, I guess. It'd blow for him to be able to attack from two sides

>>33115683
There isn't a worst option.
In fact, using the cavalry to stage fire attacks on Wang Lang's food while we take cover in the hills sounds like a great idea, especially if we hit them hard.

>>33115576
>Looking at the territory you have to take, you expect that this campaign could last a year or so. The enemy has a couple thousand troops guarding the towns and villages while ten thousand troops guard the city of Hui Ji which is your main objective. Wang Lang is unaware of your attack force currently, so you have the advantage of taking his territory and guard forces before he marches out his main force. Taking too long may mean Wang Lang gathers more of his troops together, but marching too quickly may also mean tiring your army out and not taking more firm control of the territories you hold. You need to decide and balance things out well

InB4 any "In character things written by the QM don't count!" bullshit.

>>33115704

I don't know about you guys, but to me this is Raian clearly telling us we need more troops / supplies to fight Wang Lang.

>>33115704
>>Agree with Zhang Liao and follow his plan
I do agree with Zhang Liao. It's a sound plan.

It's not just because he's my husbando.

>>33115704
>>Disagree with Zhang Liao, you want to do more indirect attacks to keep your own numbers strong

We have 2 weeks. We can whittle down their numbers through any number of methods, and still have plenty of time to stage an assault.

>>33115704
>>Disagree with Zhang Liao, you want to do more indirect attacks to keep your own numbers strong

>>33115704
>>Agree with Zhang Liao and follow his plan

What information do we have from Fan Neng and is there anything more we can get out of him in regards to the rest of the southlands.

As in, what are the numbers of the other garrisoned towns that aren't Wang Lang's 10,000?

>>33115704
>Zhang Liao, indeed you are correct, however, I believe Wang Lang's advance to be opportune, I would like after we have dealt with Zhou Xin, to have our foot soldiers retreat to our own territories, but ambush the coming army of 10,000 with a fire attack, directly straight at their food supplies.
>This will mean he will have little choice but to retreat in the face of starvation of his men
>We will then lose the enemy in the hills as we retreat

>>33115704
>Disagree with Zhang Liao, you want to do more indirect attacks to keep your own numbers strong

If we go with Zhang Liao's plans, we are not going to have enough troops to fend off Wang Lang.

I think we have to go full Zhang Liao if we adopt direct assault. (i.e. retreat from Wang Lang)

3 days of siege weapons on main camp. Send Fan Neng to get their terms of surrender. We'll follow Zhang Liao's advice if that doesn't work.

>>33115760

Remember how time works in this quest dude. 2 weeks is going to go by in one QM post if we don't play things VERY specifically.

>>33115704
>Agree with Zhang Liao and follow his plan

But we should hightail it the fuck out of here for more breathing space and time to gather new levies.

>>33115704
>>Agree with Zhang Liao and follow his plan

From the previous thread, we've already devastated enemy morale. Just because an army has numbers doesn't mean jack when less than half are willing to die for their lord.

>>33115787
This sounds like a good idea, if risky

>>33115805
So how do we do that? He's ignored our plans before.

>>33115704
>> Agree with Zhang Liao

All we need is to lure them away from the hilld and a quick victory will be easy

>>33115704

>>33115787
This!

>>33115704
>Disagree with Zhang Liao, you want to do more indirect attacks to keep your own numbers strong
We need to keep our troop count as high as possible so that we can effectively fight Wang Lang. Even proper strategy can falter before superior numbers, and we're no Jia Xu or Sima Yi.

>>33115787
I like the idea. Lets see what they think.

>>33115741

Raian writes in-character for the generals.

As you can see by Lu Lingqi going full Lu Bu. As expected of the Lus.

Zhang Liao is an intelligent general, but there's no guarantee that his advice is the right one. We can't just go "Raian is speaking through Zhang Liao" and call it a day.

>>33115787
Can we suggest this plan to the council?
I'm not Zhuge Liang or Pang Tong but it makes sense

So you guys realize zhang liao's plan gives up all initiative and gains we've accomplished since reaching this territory, right? It'll take 4 months, minimum, round trip time.

>>33115787
Propose it, at least.

>>33115704
>>Agree with Zhang Liao and follow his plan

Really we should be doing this the oldschool Chinese warfare way. Once we beat Zhou Xin we go AROUND Wang Lang army and take over his nearly empty garrison.

>>33115828

Have everyone in 100% agreement, laying out an organized plan.

But this is /tg/ so that's never going to happen, which is why we should take the safe option and not go bull at a gate into 10k troops.

>>33115704
>Disagree with Zhang Liao, you want to do more indirect attacks to keep your own numbers strong

First, we can afford more indirect attacks for 2 or three days, although anything past that wouldn't be worth it unless there is no water source in the hills.

Also, ask Fan Neng about the geography around the area before committing to a plan. They may have food stores, but not necessarily water stores.

>>33115787
This plan ignores the distances involved. If we send our troops back they'll be gone from the campaign, effectively.

>>33115862
See that fire attack plan.
We've heard the General is incompetent, if he stays out with no food that army's morale, and number, will crumble faster than casualties in an open battle.
And if he goes back to his castle, morale will fall through the floor, and we can h e time to re-cooperate and gain forces.

>>33115862
Good. More time for Wang's troops to stew in their indolence and bad morale.

Why don't we seend Zhang liao with some cavalry to raid the enemy? failing that maybe I few days later?

>>33115898
Not really? We'll just follow the troops after all.

>>33115929
>to have our foot soldiers retreat to our own territories,

is a 2 month trip

>>33115903
No the General is supposed to be somewhat competent the governor/lord is the Incompetent.

>>33115787
Lets propose this, fire attacks are pretty good after all.

>>33115927

>Zhang Liao and Song Xian kill what troops they can, though the hills make it slightly difficult for them to keep pursing

Remember what terrains we are on.

Also Gao Shun is our top cavalry commander, not Zhang Liao.

>>33115945
Well yeah.
This war is supposed to take something like a year and a half.
>>33115954
...They're the same person?

Oh boy, this thread is going to be great.

The failure and butthurt will be wonderful.

>>33115704
>>State you wish to hold your position at the hills after defeating Zhou Xin and fighting Wang Lang

Are you guys honestly suggesting we pack up and leave all the way back to our own territory and then come all the way back?

That's going to take months and we'll lose every advantage we have.

>>33115954

Zhou Xin is clearly more competent than Fan Neng. He chose a good defensive position since he was outnumbered 2 to 1.

versus Fan Neng who went full Lu Bu when he was outnumbered 3 to 1 by us.

>>33115984

I've already started drinking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLoNOYcVQU

>>33115704
>>State you wish to hold your position at the hills after defeating Zhou Xin and fighting Wang Lang

Listen to Liao.

Destroy this army, retreat back to our territory for resupply and recruitment, and return to fight Wang Lang.

Fighting both the general and the governor one after the other in quick succession is a mistake. Wang Lang might be incompetent, but quantity has a quality of its own.

>>33115980
Nope Zhou Xin is the General we are currently fighting, Wang lang is the Governor/lord.

If we can break or kill Zhou Xin we weaken the Resistance during our Invasion/occupation plus the overall effectiveness of their Army.

>>33115992
What advantage? Our all of troops? The surprise that we lost when Wang Lang started moving towards us?
The supply advantage from that one village we have? What advantages?

>>33116012
That's a fucking awful idea. We don't have the men or supplies. They could very easily surround and starve us out.

>>33115984
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8DY4EWYzfM

>>33116021

It honestly depends on the quality of our army after the battle with Zhou Xin.

If we have 4000 troops left? Sure. If we have 6000 troops with high morale? That might be a different story.

What if Zhou Xin surrenders and we get more supply and troops without bloodshed?

Honestly, I don't know why we are deciding right now on whether to retreat or hold out. It can be decided after we destroy Zhou Xin.

Zhou Xin is expecting Wang Lang's reinforcements.Let's play off that expection by feigning a withdrawal.

Leave behind Zhang Liao and 1000 men to play rear guard. The enemy will leave their defensive position in order to pincer us.

Once we're out of sight we'll send Linqi with a small force of heavy cavalry to go around and take their undefended camp. Then we can return in full force and crush them.

>>33116028
Oh yeah.
Well that's what I'm saying, defeat this general, so Wang Lang, the man in charge of the 10k army heading towards us is leading the troops

>>33116021

This. We will easily be able to take Zhou Xin. But we will probably get some casualties and be down to about 5k men. Against 10k.

We should deal a critical blow and kill off some of their troops / general here and now, then resupply, get some more troops and fight Wang Lang later.

>>33116037
Advantages
>High morale
>2 to 1 numbers
>5-6 six months of food
>Few casualties
>low fatigue

>>33116050

We're deciding now because this threads timeframe skips months ahead between QM posts and we only have a two week window.

>>33116066
We're talking about fighting Wang Lang.
Who, BEFORE, the casualties of this battle, almost out numbers us 2 to 1.
Who has higher food, less fatigue, and good morale.

>>33116045
Nostalgia'd hard, thanks

>>33116066

We also hold good defensive positions if we get Zhou Xin off the hills.

Our troops are also combat veterans at this point whereas Wang Lang's army is untested.

Do you guys remember what Fan Neng said? Wang Lang had specifically made peace with the barbarians so the South had been peaceful. His army is most likely inexperienced.

>>33116055
We should axe Zhou Xin and get the fuck out, resupply and retroop before Wang Lang's superior numbers show up.

Like Zhang Liao said.

>>33116095
But we lose troops if we get him off the hills.
And being a veteran isn't much if you're outnumbered 2 to 1.

>>33116090

All three of those are major assumptions. The only thing we know is numbers.

We aren't exactly short on food and they have to supply 10k troops. Our morale is almost certainly higher than theirs. Our troops are also at the lowest level of fatigue right now, and would have time to recoup if we take the hill within a week.

Not taking a side, but you can't make arguments like that.

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"I disagree," you reply with a shake of your head. "I want to preserve all the men I can, and meet Wang Lang's forces taking these hills as a position. Once we defeat Zhou Xin, I wish to set an ambush here and raid there supplies."

"I... do not think that might be the best plan," Fan Neng interjects. "At least thinking that taking their supplies would defeat them. Lord Wang Lang has had peace for a number of years and has gathered a sizable granary. You would do better on focusing on whittling down his numbers..."

Zhang Liao slightly frowns.

"General, perhaps you believe that we can defeat Wang Lang and easily take his head here. I do not think the chances of that are high. If he suffers defeat from our troops, he is likely to retreat back to Hui Ji and fortify his position. From thereon we would have to endure a siege. If you wish to defeat Wang Lang's army here, then we should retreat back to our territories after doing so and defend the lands we have conquered... Otherwise we may lose supplies and our retreat cut off if we do not take the city in quick time."

"In essence," Gao Shun states. "Your plan may work but it carries risk. Will you still follow the plan?"

>Carry on with defeating Zhou Xin and fighting Wang Lang after
>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after

>>33116133
They won't be fatigued due to not having a battle.
Us taking the hills will cause our troops to be fatigued.
And they own this damn province, they're taking food from fucking everyone.

>>33116133
Wang Lang has better supplies by the fact that this is literally his home territory.

We want to draw him out as far from his home base as we possibly can, stretch that supply line out.

>>33116158

TWICE IN A ROW
HES TOLD US WHAT TO DO

>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories
>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after
>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after

FUCK.

>>33116101
This guy gets what we need to do, Our smaller army is less of a logistics nightmare then Wang langs.

>>33116090
well if it's Wang lang we're talking about

>less logistics required when travelling
>more veterans than the 10k army that hasn't seen much if any combat
>smaller numbers= faster movement
>Smaller numbers also equals less food consumption
>have crushed 4000 with less 100 casualties.

>>33116158
>>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after

In the face of opposition, I guess this will do.

>>33116158
>>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after
Listen to Zhang Liao.

>>33116158
>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after
Not sure you understood the fire attack plan, but whatever.

>>33116158
>>Carry on with defeating Zhou Xin and fighting Wang Lang after

We can take him with some preparatory skirmishing and a ploy or two.

>>33116158
>>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after
That way if he tries to run we got time to get to him.

>>33116158
>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after

lets not kid ourselves this will end in a protracted campaign, but with Zhou Xin out of the way it will be slightly easier

>>33116177

Calm your pants, this is why we have the war meetings so that they can provide advice.

I wasn't persuaded until they gave their reasoning. Since the two most competent generals and the local general gave their reasons, I'm switching to the retreat camp.

>>33116196

Our last fire attack only killed 500, and we still lost men. I really don't know what you want to happen. You can't just yell FIRE ATTACK and expect shit to work out.

>>33116158
>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories

With those kind of numbers, we're still better off pulling out after taking Zhou Xin's head or obtaining his surrender.

>>33116125
2-1 is by no means insurmounrable. With the hills we the advantage in terrain, with our victories we have the advantage in morale; on top of that our officers are vastly superior and we have all the supplies we need

>>33116158
>>Defeat Zhou Xin then immediately move to take Wang Langs city before he returns.

Let do this like proper strategist.

>>33116213
People in the thread were saying the exact same shit and everyone was ignoring that in favor of "fire attack!" and "wang lang is incompetent, so us attacking with 2:1 odds is fine!"

I can see why hes salty.

>>33116158
Raian, the fire plan was as follows.

All but the cavalry retreat, AFTER, we had defeated Zhou Xin, that is.
When Wang Lang arrives, the cavalry take a quick fire attack on their supplies, and then they follow the main forces.

It wasn't suggesting we stay here and not kill Zhou Xin, nor taking a position in the hills.

>>33116158
>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after.

"We should at the very least, use the hills as an ambush point for Wang Lang after defeating Zhou Xin. Have a small contingent cover our rear by way of traps, arrows, and fire before meeting up with the rest of our army."

>>33116266
We have cavalry, not cavalry archers. Harassment tactics when outnumbered as heavily as they'd be are a bad idea.

>>33116158

Let's put off the decision on fighting Wang Lang until we see how we do against Zhou Xin.

>>33116217
It wasn't just shouting that.
It was a plan based around an ambush, not hiding in the hills for extended periods of time for little reason and facing huge odds.

It's also less for casualties, and more so they can't pursue, and will have their morale damaged.

>>33116158
>>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories after

>>33116307

Then lets wait until we fight Zhou Xin and see what we can do from there.

>>33116255

What's the point? They are not going to run out of food. Fan Neng just confirmed that point.

I think it's risky for minimal gains.

>>33116290
Calvary archers aren't really needed though, although they're ideal. Can't they leave the horses in a nearby area, take the potshots, and in the confusion, retreat?

>>33116371
They will run out of food for that moment.
Look at it this way.
Army holds 50 food.
Base holds 1000.
Army goes forwards by taking 50 food from the base.
If that 50 food is gone, it has to go back to the base to refill.

>>33116377
All we need to do is charge on the supply regiment with cavalry and drop torches, not too hard

>>33116405

He also controls the vast majority of southern territories, so resupplying aint no big deal for him. For us on the other hand, since we literally conquered one town before deciding to fight the big boss, attrition won't work unless we play things smart.

>>33116405
That food is not static though. Its more like 50 food with you, 50 food on its way to you, 950 food in storage.

>>33116158
Seriously, I feel like when I'm not watching the thread, the most stupid decisions get made..
>Defeat Zhou Xin and retreat back to your territories.

>>33116405

Okay, so let's discount the fact that they are unlikely to leave their supplies unguarded or the likelihood that they'll store supplies for 10,000 men in one location, or the likelihood the fire attack will destroy enough supplies to prevent an orderly retreat.

How does this cut off their supply line? The entire region is the supply line. He can always requisition food from a local city because he's the Governor.

This puts the cavalry, our most valuable troops, at risk for insignificant gains.

>>33116480
That's because you're obviously a tactical genius, and mere mortals like us can't keep up.

>>33116488
We want to batter this guy's morale as much as possible. So maybe a terror attack might be better than a hit on the supply depots.

I think we should apologise for being so inexperienced.
I mean, we're like 19/20 now aren't we?

>>33116563
And this is our third war. So no, you're a faggot.

>>33116563
While I agree with you, I don't know how ancient china would react. Would it make us look weak or would we be praised for being humble?

>>33116563

Jesus Christ, you don't apologize for asking advice from your officers when you are the commanding general.

You don't apologize at a war council as a commanding officer unless you want to instantly lose the respect of your peers.

This isn't a team project at your university.

>>33116583
>First "war"
>Got our shit slapped
>Second "War"
>Cheng Gong did fucking everything, and Lu Bu did the rest
>Third War
>We're doing okay

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You consent after Zhang Liao and Gao Shun put in their advice.

"Then so be it. We shall defeat Zhou Xin, and retreat after. I still wish to leave some men here so that we may ambush Wang Lang's troops. The rest of the men shall retreat, while the cavalry here shall take some of the enemy down."

Zhang Liao rubs his chin.

"As you command general. We can see what we can do once Zhou Xin is defeated."

The war council comes to an end after that, and you and the other generals exit the tent. You take a glance at the enemy position. The enemy camps are lightly defended with only a few torches lit. Slightly strange, since they just suffered a small defeat. Perhaps they are planning something?

>Go for a night raid attack with some elite force
>Order a tight defense of the camp
Roll 1d100. Best of first three or avg of first three depending on choice.

>>33116563

20.

No point apologizing yet. We fucked up but so long as we follow their advice and crush this guy before bailing we should be fine. Outright ignoring them would of been a bad idea though.

Why we ignored him in the first place, especially since he could (perhaps its still on the cards) have been one of our top bro commanders and made the Peach Garden Oath: Lu Bu Edition with us i don't know.

>>33116563
we are 20 But until now have mad War our life.

Rolled 2

>>33116626
>Order a tight defense of the camp

>>33116647

Every time.

Rolled 51

>>33116626
Both

Rolled 40

>>33116626
>>Order a tight defense of the camp

>>33116626
>Order a tight defense of the camp

It's more than likely they are a) looking to pay us back for the fire attack & b) expecting more of the same.

Rolled 62

>>33116626
>Go for a night raid attack with some elite force.

I'm gonna say best of first three.

Rolled 4

>>33116626
>>Go for a night raid attack with some elite force

Rolled 34

>>33116626
>>Order a tight defense of the camp

Rolled 32

>>33116626
Night attack

Rolled 13

>>33116626

Rolled 76

>>33116626
>Go for a night raid attack with some elite force

Rolled 63

>>33116667
also dice

>>33116626
>>Order a tight defense of the camp

oh god.

>>33116626
>>Order a tight defense of the camp

If we go our now well find an empty camp and come back to seeing our camp burning down.

>>33116647
>>33116658
>>33116666

Oh god we're fucked.

Guys.
Why not both?

These rolls are shit. What happened to this thread and 90's?

Rolled 54

>>33116694
>>33116680
>>33116669
>>33116668
>Expecting a night attack to work
>When we pulled off a fire attack on the first day

really?

>Order a tight defense of the camp

Rolled 76

>>33116626
Night raid.

>>33116717
Because reasons. Remember this is the quest where we can't talk to more than one person ever 3 months.

>>33116626
>Order a tight defense of the camp

It's probably an ambush or a night raid on their end. Either way, do not try for a night attack.

>>33116711
We've got higher stats than him, and we seem to be taking the defensive option, so I think we'll be okay

Rolled 75

>>33116632

I didn't know that engaging in a discussion of ideas and plans with our top generals constituted a fuck-up.

A fuck-up is implementing a bad plan, a discussion is withdrawing a bad plan and agreeing that their ideas had merit.

Why are we so quick to be so hard on ourselves? This is a normal part of decision making. Do you guys wilt at meetings when someone points out flaws in your plan? No, you acknowledge that their ideas have merit and then change your plan accordingly. There's no apologies to be had.

>>33116626
>>Tight defense

>>33116626
>Order a tight defense of the camp.
The enemy is going to be desperate after their last defeat. We should play it safe here. Maybe plan an ambush for them?

>>33116739

If we do go on the offensive (I voted for defense), i suggest we tell our remaining troops to prepare the defenses.

>>33116739
Exactly, they won't expect another attack so soon.

>>33116626
>>Order a tight defense of the camp

>>33116770

It's a fuck up socially. Us having Linqui be our general turned into a negative social interaction, so i'd assume flat out disagreeing, then flip flopping in front of our generals is a negative social interaction.

>>33116626
Order a tight defense of the camp. They're either going to raid us or prepping an ambush for our raid that they're expecting. Don't be stupid guys. I've watched the show.

Rolled 84

>>33116780
But they will hell they probably think we have a penchant for such tactics.

>>33116797
>projecting this hard

Not everyone hates themselves, anon.

>>33116770
>>33116797

Also, i agree entirely, i don't like the fact we have to walk on eggshells when talking to our supposed friends and confidants, but that's apparently how it goes, so we have to treat shit right.

>>33116780
Really? That's some Zapp Brannigan logic.

Rolled 45

>>33116797
A social fuck up in terms of a war council would be us dismissing their advice completely and going "Here's what we're doing. Shut up and don't say anything, we're doing it period."

We heeded their advice and are going to act upon it, that's not a fuck up.

>>33116797
Well, actually we completely over thought that part, as stated by Raian, If it was given less thought we'd have had no repercussions.

>>33116797
>so i'd assume flat out disagreeing, then flip flopping in front of our generals is a negative social interaction.
Or it just makes us look reasonable to fair arguments.

It was also a good way to keep the others from thinking we'll just blindly accept any plan based on personality.

"My way or the high, no compromise" is not the same thing as good, strong leadership.

>>33116833

YOU WIN AGAIN GRAVITY!

>>33116797

I really hope this isn't how you see social interactions in real life.

>Zhang Liao, deputy proposes a plan
>We disagree and propose a plan
>Fan Neng and Zhang Liao indicate the flaws of our plan
>Gao Shen points out the merits and risks of our plan

Jesus Christ, this is how healthy and productive war councils and meetings work. There's literally no fuck-up here.

Guys we just came across as a bit zealous and overconfident, and even then it had some merit, this sort of thing should be expected from a 20 year old new commander.

>>33116626
>>33116626
>order a tight defense of the camp

>>33116881

Guess i'm just salty because i was one of the people saying fighting Wang Lang was stupid from the start.

>>33116888
>we're the ones that need to be reigned in rather than Lu Bu

feels good, man.

>>33116902
And you're still wrong. So there's that.

>>33116888

We came off as neither zealous or overconfident.

Do you think the words "I disagree" constitutes overconfidence and cockiness? Because that's literally the only words we used before proposing our plan.

Did we call their plan stupid? Did we mock it? Did we call Zhang Liao a coward for proposing his plan?

If so, then yes, that's overzealous and overconfident.

>>33116951
I meant at the start with the proposal of the plan.
After that we conceded due to factors we didn't know about and strategic reason.

>>33116942

How so? Everyone's apparently on board with doing exactly what i was saying at the start of the thread, i.e. not engaging Wang Lang, attacking Zhou Xin, then retreating to bolster our troops and supplies.

I just don't need the QM flat out telling us through two generals that attacking multiple targets, the second one likely having 2:1 odds is a bad idea.

>>33116978
Those generals said it was a high risk, high return plan, not stupid.

You're stupid.

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Rolled 59

>>33116978
wat.... m8 thats what we're doing.

>>33116972

Really? Proposing a plan at a war meeting is being overconfident and zealous now? When we are the commanding officer?

I guess we should sit through meetings and tweedle our thumbs.

There's nothing wrong with proposing plans so long as we were receptive to corrective information. We did literally nothing wrong in the end, don't worry about it.

>>33117012

This. Our situation is completely different from Chang An, but retreating minimizes risk so it's not terrible by any means.

>>33116978
So you want to say it's a bad idea, but don't like it when someone else says it's a bad idea? That's rather stupid in and of itself.

Still, the idea is a solid plan that we should heed regardless.

You organize a tight defense of the camp, and order all the troops to be on high alert, seeing something strange about the enemy. As night comes, you find out that the enemy was planning a night raid on your camp. Unfortunately, your defenses were too strict and the enemy retreated before taking any action when they saw your camp. A few trap openings and baits may have given an opportune time to take some enemy down.

Either way, you get a night's sleep once you confirm things are safe. The next day comes, and you must organize an attack once again.

>Make brisk charge attacks against the enemy
>Focus on staying back and attacking with your ranged weapons
>others, write-ins, etc

>Troops: 6350
>Equipment: 2000 horses, 5 Catapults, 3 Ballista, 3 Siege Rams
>Food: 2700
>Morale: High
>Fatigue: Slight

>>33117012
>"General, perhaps you believe that we can defeat Wang Lang and easily take his head here. I do not think the chances of that are high. If he suffers defeat from our troops, he is likely to retreat back to Hui Ji and fortify his position. From thereon we would have to endure a siege. If you wish to defeat Wang Lang's army here, then we should retreat back to our territories after doing so and defend the lands we have conquered... Otherwise we may lose supplies and our retreat cut off if we do not take the city in quick time."
Tl;dr, huge risk, huge reward.
Huge, huge, risk.

>>33117021

And at the start of this thread the general consensus (as seen here >>33116158) was to disagree with Zhang Liao and attack Wang Lang.

But it took the QM telling everyone else, both in that post and in the next one, that it was a bad idea, so now everyone's all aboard the common sense train.

>>33117048
>Make brisk charge attacks against the enemy

Let's gauge their defenses and try to form a plan for a quick end to this issue.

>>33117048
>>Focus on staying back and attacking with your ranged weapons
>others, write-ins, etc

Have Fan Neng negotiate a surrender after bombardment. Surely, their morale can't be too high.

>>33117061
>common sense
No, we've just learned that not following the QM's path to victory leads to horrible things happening.

Rolled 10

>>33117048
>others, write-ins, etc

Flanking Maneuvers Zhang liao on one side, Linqi leading the other

>>33117048
>Bring in Fan Neng to ask about any advantages
>Ask Zhang Liao about using a pincer attack

>>33117079
Sounds like common sense to me.

>>33117048

Zhou Xin is expecting Wang Lang's reinforcements. Let's play off that expectation by feigning a withdrawal.

Leave behind Zhang Liao and 1000 men to play rear guard. The enemy will leave their defensive position in order to pincer us.

Once we're out of sight we'll send Linqi with a small force of heavy cavalry to go around and take their undefended camp. Then we can return in full force and crush them.

>>33117107
Brown nosing is indeed common.

>>33117097
>>33117074
This.

>>33117048
Make a brisk attack.

Let's not prolong this.

>>33117120

Wang Lang is still atleast a week away.

>>33117048
>>33117074

>This

Also ask Fan Neng about the geography, specifically water sources and the weather here.

>>33117048
>>Make brisk charge attacks against the enemy
We're apparently retreating anyway so preserving our forces is now secondary to winning quickly.

>>33117048
focus on stay back and attacking with your ranged weapons
this is day 2 we can spend a couple days hitting their position

>>33117133

In that case, we can spend three days bombarding the enemy first.

Rolled 74

>>33117128
Brisk attacks against Hills and/or fortified positions go badly

Guys.
Lets do another duel, it doesn't take any time and the enemy will lose morale.

>>33117144

He's two weeks away and time is of secondary issue if we are retreating instead of defending the hills.

Losing soldiers needlessly is always a thing to be avoided.

>>33117120
That sounds overly complicated.

Good strategy is not usually that complicated.

People in this thread keep thinking up overly complicated plans that wouldn't work in real life.

This is not a modern army that can clearly co-ordinate over hundreds of miles.

This is antiquity China.

Most of the 'brilliant' stratagems of the ancient world weren't really all that complicated.

>>33117048
>Focus on staying back and attacking with your ranged weapons
They'll be expecting a heavy attack after their failed night raid.

>>33117048
>>Focus on staying back and attacking with your ranged weapons
>>others, write-ins, etc

Havw lingqi go up and goad them into a duel.

They're cowards, tortises. Dont even dare attack a woman in the dead of the night. Why dont they go home and wear skirts instead.

Rolled 12

>>33117175
May be talking out of my ass but I think last turn they refused our challenge

>>33117048
>>Focus on staying back and attacking with your ranged weapons

>>33117175
>>33117139
>>33117097
Combine these!

>>33117048
focus on staying back and attacking with your ranged weapons

>>33117048

> Set up the catapults to bombard the enemy position. Cavalry to pick off those who abandon their position.

A solid day of bombardment should soften them up for an attack tonight.

We can then clean them up and mosy on off without having spent more than two days total.

>>33117204
It hurts their morale, so why not do it again?
Following up with a surrender message would work well

>>33117194

This is not complicated. Zhang Liao just needs to hold is position, Lu Linqi just needs to go from point A to point B. No coordination required.

>>33117204

They did but after an aborted attack and suffered losses, they may be goaded into one. Also the morale loss at refusing to answer the challenge of a girl would be quite significant.

Guys we need to leave early, if we stay here doing this too much Wang Lang's vanguard will arrive, and not to mention, we'll have his 10k army on our ass all the way to our own lands

>>33117048
Insult the everliving shit out of them.

In fact, take a token force of 500 and have them sit out of arrow range and hurl insults at the enemy. At the same time, have an additional 1000 hidden behind a hill or in a forest awaiting a gong-alert-signal to sweep into the enemy's camp if said enemy takes the bait.

Oh and have the 500 men picnic and leisure on top of insulting the enemy camp.

>>33117258

Jesus, it's been 2 days. Out of 2 weeks. I'd say we can bombard 3 days before launching an assault.

Soften up their position, take less losses, perhaps even induce surrender.

A smaller army can move faster as well.

>>33117239
It is complicated as it requires a lot of moving parts and assumes actions on the part of the opponent.

Who says they would immediately pursue and not smell an attack? Who says Zhang Liao would be able to maintain his position, or that Lu Linqi wouldn't be overwhelmed by a reserve unit? How is Zhang Liao meant to communicate the optimum time of attack to Linqi? What exact schedule do you think the enemy will be working on? Can you see the future?

You make assumptions about the enemy, formulating plots on no real basis.

>>33117048
>>Make brisk charge attacks against the enemy

>>33117291

We also know that Zhou Xin is a cautious general and probably knows reinforcements are coming.

He's unlikely to move his army in pursuit when he has a defensive position and knows he's outnumbered over 2 to 1.

So yeah, I don't think that plan's going to work.

Rolled 94

>>33117290

Ideally, we need to crush them in a week.

We dont want them to be right on our heels as we retreat

>>33117048
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-Six_Stratagems

Recommended reading for all you arm-chair generals. This ain't meta knowledge since every general, tactician, and strategist would be familiar with these ploys.

>>33117048
>Focus on staying back and attacking with your ranged weapons.

If possible taunt them. Siege them and lower their morale. They're not in a good position right now and only two days have passed so far. So far none of their plans have worked so we can't give them any sort of small victories.

>>33117318

We've been lugging catapults and siege rams this whole way, how hard is it to start lugging some rocks at them for a few days and pick them off if they try to retreat.

They can't fight us at siege range.
We can.

This is a clear advantage we have on them, yet no one wants to use the catapults.

>>33117363

What the fuck do you think ranged weapons mean?

>>33117374

Bow and Arrows.

>>33117048
Siege them for just a few days, then launch an attack.

>>33117386

Yeah, I'm fairly sure that staying back attacking with ranged weapons means using ranged weapons like catapults and ballistas and not just bows and arrows.

Why would you think it's just bows and arrows? Do catapults attack at melee range now?

>>33117445

I guess RTS games have taught me to classify Catapults and Trebuchets as Siege weapons and Bow&Arrow / Guns as Ranged weapons.

Also, our Siege weapons do include 'Siege Rams' which are effectively Siege Melee weapons.

>>33117496

Siege Weapons and Ranged Weapons are not mutually exclusive classifications, they can belong to both categories.

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You order your catapults to fire upon the enemy camps. Because of the hills and the enemy taking cover, the bombardment takes only little effect. Some of the enemy archers move slightly out to fire their arrows, and your men and theirs exchange volleys. All in all, you kill about 200 of their men by the end of the day before you retire your soldiers to rest.

The next day comes. What do you do?

>Keep up the ranged bombardment (Choose how many days till)
>Go on the frontal attack (Choose if you just want to go one day, or until the enemy is beaten)
Roll 1d100.

>Troops: 6300
>Equipment: 2000 horses, 5 Catapults, 3 Ballista, 3 Siege Rams
>Food: 2700
>Morale: Average
>Fatigue: Slight

Rolled 50

>>33117548
>>Go on the frontal attack (Choose if you just want to go one day, or until the enemy is beaten)
>Until beaten

Rolled 38

>>33117548
>>Go on the frontal attack (Choose if you just want to go one day, or until the enemy is beaten)

Till defeat

Rolled 14

>>33117548

Rolled 72

>>33117548
>Go on the frontal attack (until the enemy is beaten)

Rolled 33

>>33117548
>>Go on the frontal attack (Choose if you just want to go one day, or until the enemy is beaten)

so now we know he is just waiting it out, I say go for broke.

>>33117548
>Challenge to duel
>Ask to surrender
>Ask Zhang Liao what do

Rolled 58

>>33117548
>>Keep up the ranged bombardment (Choose how many days till)

A second day of bombardment

>>33117548
Frontal attack.

>>33117574

Were you really in such a rush to roll that you didn't even vote on the attack option?

Can everyone please stop rolling so suddenly?

>>33117548
I say we siege for like three days and then go for a frontal assault on the fourth. We have enough time to thin down their forces a bit and be at more of an advantage when we charge in. After we charge we have a weak to retreat.

>>33117548
>>Frontal attack for a day

I don't see what we gain by choosing to go until victory. We're still attacking for a day either way, but this let's us evaluate the first results.

Rolled 100

>>33117548
>>Keep up the ranged bombardment (Choose how many days till)
1 day

>>33117627
Yeah, but our moral drops too.

>>33117645

Crit.

Rolled 89

>>33117645
Nice roll

>>33117660

On the 7th roll? Yeah, nah.

>>33117640
This.
Lets not go until victory, because we could do a really shitty move if we do

>>33117627
Keep in mind we need to start putting distance between ourselves and Wang Lang before he shows up. It's difficult to make an orderly retreat when the enemies right in front of you.

Rolled 38

>>33117548
Let's go for another day of ranged.

>>33117548
>>33117627
I guess I should specify my vote
>>Keep up the Ranged Bombardment(3 days)
>>Frontal attack(1 Day: After bombardment)

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>>33117645
Welp.
Our fire rains down from the heavens!

>>33117548
>>Go on the frontal attack (Until beaten)

Rolled 45

>>33117645
Shoot 'em.

>>33117548
keep up the ranged bombardment for two more days then make the frontal assault

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Rolled 7

>>33117645
>ARCHERS UNLEASH HELL!

>>33117735
Yeah I'll back this.

>>33117691
>>33117739

He takes the first three rolls regardless of the vote.

>>33117760
Really? I'd like a clarification on this point.

>>33117548
>>33117548
By bombarding a camp situated on defendable hill terrain, we cede the initiative to the enemy. Ranged attacks have been stated to be ineffective against the defendable terrain the camp is situated on.

Therefore, gentlemen. I propose that we initiate a pincer attack early morning before the enemy eats their breakfast.

Rolled 82

Obviously all we need to do is offer them the kettle

>>33117781
We just got the report that the ranged attack did little. We've already decided we need to leave before Wang Lang arrives. Why on earth are we waiting?

>>33117781

Read the archives

Charge attack till beaten is winning, but people want to still bombard.

1 day of bombarding, then charge until beaten? If yes, then roll 1d100 for charge attack. The 50 already rolled will be for ranged.

>>33117782
>ineffective
>killed 10% of their forces

nigger what?

>>33117787
You LUNATIC! How dare you suggest that we offer them our Kettle!?

Rolled 62

>>33117548
>>Go on the frontal attack (Choose if you just want to go one day, or until the enemy is beaten)

Kill em all.

Lets not waste time

>>33117794

Because last time we attacked a well defended position we got turbofucked. So people are scared, even with the greater numbers.

Rolled 76

>>33117803
Here we go

Rolled 42

>>33117803

Fine, just 1 day.

Rolled 28

>>33117803
sure

Rolled 42

>>33117803
Definitely yes.

>>33117781
>>33117799

Rather than reading the archives, it should be in the pastebin so everyone has easy access.

Rolled 50

>>33117804

Let chaaaaaarge

>>33117548
>>Go on the frontal attack (Choose if you just want to go one day, or until the enemy is beaten)
One day.

>>33117841

Sure, it should be in the pastebin, but people shouldn't be playing without reading the archives first.

Rolled 38

>>33117824
>>33117827
>>33117834

Urgh.

Why that 28...

>>33117866
>what is probability

you people need to take statistics courses.

>>33117866

Better hope that ranged bombardment got us to best of 3 situation and not average of rolls.

>>33117866

Literally always happens when we roll averages. Theres usually 2 great rolls and then one really shitty one.

>>33117803
I wanted to charge for a little longer but I'm good with this

Rolled 96

>>33117879

OH wait.

You're saying we cant complain about tg dice now?

One of the great questing pasttimes?

>>33117890

Don't know how you can charge longer than that.

>>33117899
>>33117890
Wups I meant siege for longer

>>33117911

1 day is a good compromise since most people want to charge right away.

Rolled 68

>>33117925

Gave us a better assault roll too.

Was for the best

>>33117803
That's fine

So it seems likely that Wang Lang is going to pursue us. Where should we be leading him?

>Waiting for Raian to write our demise.gif

>>33118250
Somewhere fortified and secure.

Rolled 51

>>33118250

To the city we captured.

You order the bombardment of the enemy once again. As before, the bombardment does not do much against the hilly positions of the enemy and the fact that the enemy numbers have been lowered and spread. But it does soften up the defenses for you to make a full-scale attack the next day.

You take the center forces with Song Xian supporting you, while Zhang Liao and Lingqi attack from the sides. Gao Shun takes the cavalry and makes charges in enemy lines where he can, though it is slightly difficult due to the terrain. The first day results in ground taken from the enemy forces and a good victory.

On the second day, you order up another attack. With the enemy losing ground and being defeated in numerous skirmishes, their morale starts to run low. After a few hours of fierce attacks, Zhou Xin decides to give up his position finally and retreats with a hundred men, leaving the others to fight and fend your forces off. You quickly take the remaining enemy positions.

"Bah," Lingqi states taking her blade off of a dead soldier she just killed. "It should have been like this from the start."

"We were likely to have taken more casualties, the first few days of testing the enemy and weakening their defenses may have been arguably been better," Zhang Liao replies.

Some of the soldiers cheer having won their victory.

>Troops: 5800
>Equipment: 1900 horses, 5 Catapults, 3 Ballista, 3 Siege Rams
>Food: 2555
>Morale: Above Average
>Fatigue: Medium

With the hills taken, it comes down now to whether you follow suit with the plans you made before or not. You stated you would retreat back to your territories after, and was thinking of putting an ambush with the cavalry here. Wang Lang's army still has a week to come.

What do you do?
>Retreat your forces
>Leave an ambush with [choose officer] leading it and retreat
>Decide to stay and fight here
Roll 1d100

>>33118250
We should ask the guy who we converted to our side if there is a dam nearby, flooding the enemy works like fuck, but aside from that we should go back to the garrison or the village.

Rolled 42

>>33118285
>>Retreat your forces