You make time to go and see Nicolvren, who wanted to see you about disturbing rumours concerning the other dragons that inhabit the Tribal Lands.

You visit Nicolvren in her lair and the two of you spend some time chatting about inconsequential matters – how your friends are doing, what’s been happening around her lair, what the local orc tribes are up to and similar.

Then the conversation turns to more serious matters.

“So” you say “These rumours”

Nicolvren nods rapidly, she’s given you the courtesy of wearing her elven form and the two of you are sat at a table in a corner of her lair, and she’s served you tea (scalding hot, but still tea).

“Yes” she says “I didn’t believe it at first but there’s apparently a group of dragons talking about attacking your realm – to get at you personally.”

“Why though?” you ask “What did I do to them?”

“You killed Harugard” points out Nicolvren.

“He had that many friends?” you ask “He didn’t seem like the sociable type.”

Nicolvren shakes her head “It’s not that” she says “Apparently some of them feel that no mere mortal should be able to kill a dragon on their own, and so they’re going to kill you to prove that dragons are the strongest – pretty stupid if you ask me.”

Nicolvren looks pensive “And that’s not all” she says darkly “Ryzan has awoken from a long slumber – supposedly he wants you brought to him alive.”

>How many dragons
>Any ring-leaders?
>How did you find this out?
>Ryzan
>How have you and Shahulzer been getting along?
>Other (what?)

>>35429589
>How many dragons
>Any ring-leaders?
>How did you find this out?
>Ryzan
>How have you and Shahulzer been getting along?

FUCK YEAH, PALADIN OF JOY QUEST!

>>35429589
>How many dragons
>How did you find this out?
>Ryzan
>How have you and Shahulzer been getting along?

>>35429589

>How many are there
>Any ring-leaders?
>Ryzan?

>Thanks for telling me this.
>I'd like to try reasoning with them, do you think anyone of them would be more open to discussion?

>By the way, how have you and Shahulzer been getting along?

Please roll Fellowship 1d20+15 for thing

Rolled 12 + 15 (1d20 + 15)

>>35429699

Rolled 8 + 15 (1d20 + 15)

>>35429699

Have we properly thanked her for awesome conduct in the great battle, by the way?

Rolled 11 + 15 (1d20 + 15)

>>35429699

“Um” you say “How many dragons are we talking here?” you ask

Nicolvren holds one hand out and rocks it back and forth “15, maybe 20”

“That many?” you say weakly, that’s almost half the dragons in the Tribal Lands.

“Oh yes” continues Nicolvren “Mostly reds, greens and blues, but I hear a bronze and a gold have joined too.”

“How did you find this out?” you ask “Did they try to..?”

“Recruit me?” Nicolvren shakes her head “No, but there’s this young copper I know and he said they’d tried to recruit him, but he played the air-headed fool – typical for a copper” she snorts, trying to project disapproval and contempt, but you don’t think that’s how she truly regards this nameless copper dragon, in fact she might even...

“So you and this copper” you say in a neutral tone “you talk often?”

Nicolvren blushes and then says “Anyway, was there anything else you wanted to know?”

“Any ringleaders?” you ask “Anyone doing the organising?”

“Oh yes” says Nicolvren “A clutchmate of Harugrads, a vicious Red called Shaljurst – she makes her brother look positively pleasant.”

“Ah so it’s personal for her.” You say, understanding.

“Oh nothing like that” says Nicolvren “Family doesn’t mean much to most dragons, she must have some other motive, him being her brother will just be an excuse I think.”

“Are you and Shahulzer getting along?” you ask, your mind trying to find a way to survive a fight with a whole flight of dragons.

“We visit each other every so often” she says with a shrug “But he’s strange, y’know, like he still thinks the real world runs like Hell.”

You make a note to chat to Shahulzer about how he’s adjusting later.

“So this Ryzan” you ask “Who is he?”

Nicolvren shivers “A very old dragon” she says “Supposedly blessed by the Mother of All Dragons – he’s said to have three heads: red, blue and green and he’s thousands of years old. A lot of the chromatics look up to him and I think the only reason anyone is listening to Shaljurst is that she claims he supports her – though I don’t know if it’s true or not. I’d recommend you stay away from him.”

>That’s enough for now (leave)
>Where can I find Shaljurst?
>Where can I find Ryzan?
>Are you sure you are safe?
>So, does this copper have a name?
>I never properly thanked you for your help against the orcs last year
>Other question (what?)

>>35429980
>Where can I find Shaljurst?
>Where can I find Ryzan?
>Are you sure you are safe?
>So, does this copper have a name?
>I never properly thanked you for your help against the orcs last year


>It may be best if I speak with Ryzan, at the very least to inform them Harugard was not killed by a mere mortal. That may placate them at least somewhat.

>>35430030
>inform them Harugard was not killed by a mere mortal
By this you mean informing them of our angelic nature, not our divinity, right?

>>35429980
>>Where can I find Shaljurst?
>>Where can I find Ryzan?
>>Are you sure you are safe?
>I never properly thanked you for your help against the orcs last year

>>35430133
At the very least our angelic nature. Our allies and more and more of our enemies seem to be clued in to our divine nature so it makes sense to use that to sooth the dragons. Regardless we would determine exactly what we would disclose at that point in time.

>>35429980
>It may be best if I speak with Ryzan, at the very least to inform them Harugard was not killed by a mere mortal. That may placate them at least somewhat.
>>35430177
Also seconding this

>>35429980

>Perhaps this issue could be resolved with words, especially if that Ryzan wants to actually talk.
>Where can I find those two, Ryzan and Shaljurst?
>Will you be alright out here? If the other dragons hear you are on good terms with me, they might seek to hurt you.

>I never properly thanked you for your help against the orcs last year
>Oh, and just in case, any friend of yours is a friend of mine.

>>35430235
>Oh, and just in case, any friend of yours is a friend of mine

shit that came out wrong. I mean he can ask for help if he gets in trouble. We're not stealing her dragon from her.

>>35430191
Just because some enemies know doesn't mean we should start advertising it, and most of our allies only know because we told them.

Dragons are arrogant and greedy, if they know we have a divine shard, they might only be encouraged to try and take it.

“When can I find Shaljust?” you ask “and Ryzan? It may be best if I speak with Ryzan, at the very least to inform them Harugard was not killed by a mere mortal. That may placate them at least somewhat.”

Nicolvren shakes her head emphatically “You might survive meeting Shaljurst” she says “but Ryzan is a monster – stay away from him.”

“I’ll be careful” you say “But where are they?”

Nicolvren describes how to get to the general area’s where the two dragons have their territories, but she doesn’t know where their lairs are.

“Are you sure you’ll be safe?” you ask “I mean, if they’re targeting me, they may come after you.”

Nicolvren considers this “If I hear anything that makes me think I’m in danger” she says “I’ll come visit you.”

You’re not sure that’ll be adequate, but it’ll have to do for now...

“I never thanked you properly for your part in the battle against the orcs last year” you say “You did incredibly well against overwhelming odds and you bravely tangled with a dangerous artefact without any hesitation or fear.”

Nicolvren blushes and looks down “It was nothing” she says “I just got lucky.” Despite her words you can tell that your praise means a lot to her.

“So” you say, “About this Copper, does he have a name? Do I need to go see him to warn him to be on his best behaviour with you? I can do the disapproving older sister bit to make sure he treats you with respect?”

“Don’t you dare!” yelps Nicolvren, her blush spreading all the way across her face “Anyway it’s not like that!” she insists “He’s an immature braggart who only thinks about himself!” she says, her nose in the air.

You think the young dragon may protest too much.....

After teasing Nicolvren for a little longer you reassure her that any dragon she’s friendly with you’ll treat respectfully and you take your leave, Nicolvren refuses to give up the name of her friend, seemingly convinced you’ll try to play matchmaker, to her embarrassment.

Still a flight of dragons could be a problem....

On to next character

Lunia has her hands full running the church of Velya in your domain, but can always make time for you.

You find her shuffling papers in her office in the main church of Velya in the Town of Dalvin, her normally happy face creased into a frown.

She looks up as you enter “Oh Sireyi” she says, her face lightening “What brings you here?”

“Just came to see how you were doing” you say “What’re you working on?”

“Oh the usual” she says, gesturing to the stack of paper on her desk “accounts, reports from the temples, a detailed update on that wellspring you cleansed – by the way the church there will soon be ready to start creating healing potions and magic items en masse.”

She shuffles through her pile of paper and picks out several pages, looks up at you and grins slyly “So here’s a thing” she says “as you know the Church often gets requests from childless couples who want children – a fairly common power amongst the priesthood, but we’ve been getting requests lately from couples wanting angelic children.”

Whilst that thought works its way into your brain, Poppy continues “So Sireyi, ready to *serve* the people? Or shall I put them off?”

>How many requests
>Why?
>I’ll deal with them
>Put them off
>How fares the church?
>How fares the wellspring?
>Other (what?)

>>35430370
>Put them off
>How fares the church?
>How fares the wellspring?
I don't want people starting to think angelic nature makes them better somehow, its a bad attitude to spread. They can be happy with their normal children.

>>35430370
>How many requests
>Why?
>I’ll deal with them
>How fares the church?
>How fares the wellspring?
Oh yes. I've been hoping for this to happen

>>35430370

>How many requests
>Why?
>Put them off
>How fares the church?
>How fares the wellspring?

>>35430419
>Church often gets requests from childless couples who want children
They don't have ANY children. Its just a matter of who gives them children, and if WE do it counts as our offspring. Which I'm pretty sure feeds into our Divine Power.

>>35430480
Why can't they be happy with regular children they get from the normal priests was my point.

>>35430419
>>35430480

It's mechanically advantageous, but may have social consequences in the form of discrimination and prejudice in the future.

Quite a quandary, although Sireyi could really use more divine power.

>>35430370
>How many requests
>Why?
>How fares the church?
>How fares the wellspring?
There's a few reasons why giving them angelic children could be a bad thing.

Mainly the fact that we evidently had demonic cultists after us from the moment we were born, and our children aren't that much less angelic than us.

>>35430480
I don't want Sireyi start spreading her children around like that. They would still be "her" children, jusr feels wrong to me to just hand them over because people want kids that are special.

>>35430500
Because angelic children are cool. They are not "better" as in above. But it is obviously a blessing to be angelic. Why wouldn't you want to be part angelic?

>>35430524
Well I expect it would actually be the opposite. Angelic children are looked up to as blessings from the Gods. I don't really see it as being anything but a positive.

>>35430564

Angelic children are good, yes. But if parents can get angelic children from the church, then why bother having normal children? Also, what happens if angelic offspring becomes a form of prestige or such?

If not handled properly, this could possibly become a eugenics-tier social issue.

>>35430532
>because people want kids that are special.
And think about what kind of parents people like that would make, and what attitude they would instill in their children.
Thats just invites social discontent in the future.
Its mechanically good, but from a RP perspective not something I w ould want.

>>35430564
Why would people want "special" children? Why can't they be happy witht he regular ones? What kind of attitude does it show to not be happy just with any child you can have. Yes, they would be considered blessings, and that would "elevate" them over others, creating resentment just like Sireyi herself has faced.
And for what? Because someone wanted a silver haired kid?

>>35430527
>and our children aren't that much less angelic than us.

Clarification: Part-angels come in 3 general tiers.

Half-Angel (like Sireyi): Full access to angelic powers, but are mortal.
Quarter-Angel: Can learn any angelic powers but suffer an XP surcharge.
Angelic Blood: Further generations can (at most) master a single angelic power, at increased XP cost.

Thanks to her power Sireyi can voluntarily regulate *how* angelic any child she has (or gifts to others) is up to a maximum of half-angel.

>>35430370

I don't think it's our job to populate realm with angels.

Let's ask Poppy for her advice nonetheless.
>Stop grinning like that. I know it's funny to you, but those people are earnest and I'll have to come to terms with my duties somehow.
>Children are a no-go, but, just how liberal should we be with granting celestial powers to people?
I personally would not be opposed to granting some boons to exceptional individuals, but...

>How fares the church and the wellspring

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>>35430612
>>35430616
>>35430628
G-guys... Its not real life. Its fun RP world where most of these things you are worrying about aren't massively important.

>>35430370
>that wellspring you cleansed
That reminds me. Would Sireyi get any benefits from using the Wellspring when creating Celestial Iron or holy trinkets?

>>35430370
>Put them off
I'm not opposed to Sireyi giving childless couples children. I am opposed to giving in to couples who don't simply want children, but want special children.

Instead, how about this:
>Sireyi participates in giving childless couples children.
>She only randomly takes some general requests for children, not any requests specific for children from her.

>>35430685
Even in a RP actions have consequences. Thats pretty much what state-building elements are about. If our actions wouldn't have any longterm social impact to think about, we'd be running a very different ship around here. Once involving Paladin secret polices.

>>35430618
Even if they're only angel-blooded, they'd still be prime targets for demon cults.

It might have been better to make it so that this power is rare even among Velya's priesthood, then the potential parents would have some degree of justification in seeking out Sireyi for this particular thing.

>>35430685
If I don't take the story seriously, then I'm not engaged and then I won't have as much fun in the parts. By censoring my thoughts to ignore implications in the fantastical world, the world become less real.

>>35430685

But I think it's interesting to tangle with the long-term consequences of this and come to terms with Divine Morality & Needs vs. Mortal Ethics & Needs!

>>35430717
I don't think Sireyi should spread her kids around like that at all. We can use our modification power to bless people, or their children, but Sireyi should impregnate people herself.

>>35430717
Meh, I could deal with this I suppose. I personally don't see why anyone wouldn't want 'special' children. What good parent wouldn't want to do literally everything in their power to give their child the best possible start in the world.

>>35430786
>but Sireyi should impregnate people herself.
shouldn't impregnate people herself.
Typo.
Except her loved ones, obviously.

>>35430810
>in their power
This is the curcial part. It isn' their power. We, as head of state and higher force, would give them that on a favor.
People struggle all the time to give their children a better future, if we do this, that becomes diminished when some children are better on the whim of a third party.
Parents should strive to give their children better chances themselves, because thats a important motivator.

>>35430685

That's true, but for one we take ourselves very seriously here, and more importantly OP and her AA sidekick have done good job crafting a fairly interconnected world. Making use of that is big part of Fun

>>35430864
It is in their power to ask for this boon. This is an advantage that can be gained pretty much only from us so it makes sense to come to US. That is them using their own power to secure a blessing for their child.

Additionally, these are childless couples asking for the blessing of children. Obviously the church has measures in place to determine the right couples.

>>35430810
If there wasn't a significant risk to the child's life due to having angelic blood, I might agree, at least in some cases.

The thing is, a non-zero amount of those potential parents might want an angelic child just for the prestige of having an angelic child.

They might not want a kid to begin with and are just doing this for the increase in social standing, is what I'm saying.

Aside from that, their child would likely have a safer and easier childhood by being human, since there's far less risk of demonic cult abduction that way.

>>35430926
>That is them using their own power
But its not. They have no special merit on behalf of which they ask for it. They are just random people that hope to win a gamble.
And for very questionable motives in some cases I would think.

Maybe we could ask they I dunno devote themselves to the church instead, you know make it so having angelic children means you have to work for the betterment of others or something, make it serious business with responsibilities for having these angelic children

>>35430810
Eugenics, dude. Or more specifically, this would be giving some very few wannabe parents the chance at superior children, while the others have normal children.

If there is a way to give everyone angelic powers, go ahead. But just giving it to some will cause at least some unrest. Giving it only to some of those who specifically ask for it, will cause a lot of unrest. Giving it randomly, will cause less unrest.

On the other hand, withholding it altogether doesn't seem reasonable as well, even if it is embarrassing for Sireyi. Giving people who want to have children children seems like a very good act.

The only issue I see is that these are all also Sireyi's children. If only she had a power to make a children from the source of two other people.

>>35430926
But they are not asking for a blessing for a child. They are asking for a special child as a blessing for themselves. There is no 'child' to improve by making it angelic. They want Sireyi to make them an angelic child because they, themselves, would not be satisfied by a normal child.

>>35430926
You can't just assume the church has such measures, and even if they do, the measures they use normally might not be enough for Sireyi to feel comfortable with it.

We should at least inquire about the church's measures before we can start assuming they're adequate.

>>35430994
>Two
Three. Three other people.

It might be a good act, but the regular priesthood takes care of it perfectly well as-is.

Unless any of these couples have a reason why a normal priest/priestess can't give them a child for some reason.

I think one of the strongest arguments we can put forth to these people, is that it wouldn't be "their" child, it would be Sireyis and the womans child.
Which is not only a potential source of future unrest in the family, but also a issue for Sireyi.

>>35430994

I think we're all in agreement that industrial manufacture of angel-blooded children is a no go?

Instead we should focus on settling on criteria for bestowing celestial powers upon people.

Something Velya-related, preferably. Things like True Love, remarkable devotion, brilliant matchmakers, mediators, extraordinarily gifted bards (this one might end up dangerous in unleashing an angel-blooded bard upon the world, which seems like a weapon of mass /d/estruction)...

>>35430951
>>35430972
Uhuh. And you don't think the Church of Velya is used to dealing with this kind of shit? I'm willing to bet money they don't just give any random couple that ones a child a child. There is obviously some sort of process in determining who is deemed suitable, and in a world of magic, telepathy and literal good and evil. I'm pretty damn sure its rather effective.

Also, if roving demonic cults are THAT big of a deal then we have worse problems to deal with.


>>35431033
Who are you to put those motives to them? You have no insight into who these random not real are and what they think.
They could just as easily be the exact opposite. Which is why we have to trust in the not real Church of Velya to have some sort of system for determining worth.

>>35431082
>I think we're all in agreement
pretty sure thats a no.

>>35431068
Evidently this is a somewhat common practice in the kingdom amongst childless parents, either due to a lack of fertility or virility in one of the would-be parents.

You're right that Sireyi probably wouldn't be comfortable having a child which is genetically hers and not having any part in their life, at least to me.

>>35431082
Granting a few angelic powers and actually making someone into an angel-blood are two different things, I think.

>>35431082
Yeah, no to the bard. But blessing people who distinguished themselves is definitly something we can do.
Especially those that fought selflessly against evil, brought redemption to many sinners.


>>35431112
It doesn't need to be a cult that exists today, it may very well be one that exists in a few years.

And unless someone besides you disagrees, we seem to have a consensus here. People can get our blessing by distinguishing themselves, meaning, they can do good, and be rewarded with our blessings. A child should not be a"reward". That child can strive on its own to earn our blessing.

>>35431131
Those others aren't the children of the priests as I understand it? I thought its just more a fertility spell kind of thing.

Ok, got the next post ready to go, but I'm going to try and clarify some points via metapost first, gimme a few minutes.

>>35431228
based pally, who would have thought this would become such a debate that actually isn't shit.

>>35431213
>Those others aren't the children of the priests as I understand it? I thought its just more a fertility spell kind of thing.

Well unless the priests of Velya give children completely different than the Paladin of Velya does (Which is unlikely, but possible)
They probably use the same power.

no matter what happens, I want you all to know that I love you.

>>35431279
Sireyi doesn't have Priest spells, so its actually very possible considering her power isn't a "priest" power.

>>35431228
Thanks Pally.

>>35431295
I love you too anon.

>>35431295

Feeling's mutual

>>35431112
>They could just as easily be the exact opposite
Now that you have to explain to me. The opposite of wanting to have special children would be to abhor having special children. So why would they want a child from Sireyi then?

I'm not really putting motives to them. They cannot want this for the sake of their child, as they don't yet have a child. That's like saying "I want to have an amazing car. One that is superior to all the cars in my neighborhood. But not because of me. No, I want it for the sake of the amazing car you are going to make for me."

In any case, I would want Sireyi to personally judge each request that is specifically asking for her. If they can bring a convincing argument: Sure, go ahead. I just don't think they have one. I wouldn't hurt to look at some of these requests, though and I'm voting

>>35430370
>Why?

>>35431082
>industrial manufacture of angel-blooded children
That sounds awesome. Are you sure you don't want that?

>>35431112
My line of thought is more that even the church of Velya can be deceived or subject to corruption.

There are counter-spells and ways to trick virtually every way there is to detect whether someone would be suitable or not.

You're right, we do have worse problems to deal with: the horde of dragons; the bandits; the Lord of Life (though that's a long-term problem); rescuing our mother; our evil twin; the fact that just this year our children were kidnapped by a demon-worshiper who was able to operate in our capital, to the point of performing a sacrificial spell in a common inn, those kinds of things.

>>35431348
>Are you sure you don't want that?
"I" would want that. But I'm a horrible person who would make Paladin GESTAPO who kill everyone that pings on their detect evil, me and Sireyi have very different concepts of right and wrong.

>>35431295
>>35431338
>>35431344
I love you too guys, even if Mathrian is a filthy namefag, but I forgive him.

>>35431399
Oh cool, I didn't know we had a paladin of Konig here.

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>>35431348
selfless motives rather than selfish motives. Also, if the car was sapient and was going to be racing against millions of other cars for itself and its car family then yes, I would want it to be the very best car possible. And the idea is that everyone would work toward being/building the best car and therefore everyone is best car.

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>>35431429
You beautiful anon. Thank you. Thank you so much.

I'm seriously glad that all in all most people in this quest seem to be fairly reasonable. Even if we sometimes disagree.

>>35431348
>Are you sure you don't want that?

Yes. It cheapens the concept. It's unfair to those who would have deserved boon but haven't asked for one. It would piss off other gods as well as mundane leaders. Sheer numbers, especially in case of low discrimination in granting powers/children would invariably mean some of those angelics would get corrupted and bring shame to the family and their patron powers.

In short, it's a horrible idea and nothing good can come out of it.

>>35431511
Actually it sounds that a lot of good could come of it, while also having some bad coming of it. Hmm... sounds like real life.

>>35431453
>And the idea is that everyone would work toward being/building the best car
If that's the case, then I agree with you. I just don't think that is the case. And even if it were, not everyone has the resources to do this. As soon as mass-blessings / mass pregnancies are possible, you have my vote. For now, I'm mostly against it.

Aw yes, time to grind for Deity power ups!

Man, a land of angelic people is a fucking awesome shit. Sireyi's realm will be a legend for all eternity, Heaven made in Earth.

I say no mostly because I'm worried that those children will be targeted by cults for sacrifice.

Meta; Thanks to Sculpted Life Sireyi can gift children with more than 2 parents, though she will always be one. She could for example make a child that is 49.99% from one parent, 49.99% from another, and only a tiny fraction from Sireyi.

The Priestess’ of Velya’s power works in a similar way and they don’t hide this from couples – very few couples object to this.

Angelic children will increase your divine power.

Angelic children are rare and don’t face much discrimination: often the opposite as Sireyi found in her youth.

The more religious people tend to put part-angels on a pedestal, though some folk are jealous of the special treatment they receive.

Some people tend to be on the belief that angels shouldn’t mix with mortals and that any part-angels are born of sin, they are in a minority.

Yes, some parents will want angelic children just to provide their children every advantage they can, and some will be religious enough that they feel raising an angel child would be a duty.

The Wellspring makes creating any magical item that fits Velya’s themes easier and quicker to create, it has no special bonus when creating or using Celestial Iron.

Yes, demon-cultists will try to kidnap angelic children. However worshipping demons is illegal and in most places is punishable by death – Sireyi was fairly lenient with the demon-worshippers she caught herself, had they been caught by almost anyone else, they’d be dead.

The Church of Velya is fairly generous in their *gift* of children, but they do conduct checks involving talking to people in the community who know the couple – can they take care of the child financially, is either parent thought to be violent or a danger, are they a criminal etc.

>>35431533
I don't see a lot of good coming from creating people that are literally born better than others. Angelic heritage does not make them more predisposed to good. I see no real benefit.

The Church of Velya keeps records of each child they gift to people and reserve the right to judge the parents and dispense punishment themselves if the child is harmed before he becomes an adult. In other words if one of *Velya’s Gifts* as they are called are harmed, the parents go before a church court, not a civil one.

The Church tries to avoid putting a price on this service for fear that it will restrict it only to the wealthy by default – though good works are an acceptable price and the church seldom refuses a donation.

I think that was everything, but if I missed something, please say so.

I'm going to post the next bit of the conversation that includes a new vote on the children question, unless anyone objects.

>>35431453
We've got enough social programs that all the cars get enough gas to keep going, unless they can't even be bothered to piddle along at 10 mph.

>>35431533
Angel-blood =/= automatic force for good

These children would just be ordinary people who happen to have angel-blood, remember?

>>35431511

Sireyi can make as many angels/half-angela she wants without caring for the other deities. She is a Saint now, Velya told her as much, IIRC.

Also, granting an angelic child is no different from granting a child. The kid will only have natural powers and wings, etc.

For both angelic and mudane hildren, we need to investigate and judge the adopting family as worthy and virtuous. The angelic part is just an extra that mught bolster the realm in the future.

>>35431629
My exact thoughts.

>>35431559
>The Wellspring makes creating any magical item that fits Velya’s themes easier and quicker to create, it has no special bonus when creating or using Celestial Iron.
>Make tons of magical trinkets imbued with "Root of all life". Now everyone who wants to have children can have children. Profit.

Nothing of this changes the actual problems though.
Angelic children not having faced discrimination while they were absurdly rare, has nothing to do with if they might once they become more common. Its easy to put angelic people on a predestal if they only exist in stories for the most part, but if angel kid Bob over there is a real asshole, that changes the situation quite a bit.
Neither of those parent reasons are very good reasons, especially since they might as well consider it their duty to raise virtuous children.

>>35431583
hmmmmm This seems okay then. I change my vote from no >>35431550 to a yes.

>>35431654
You know there are many people who do their duty and love doing it right?

>>35431629
>Also, granting an angelic child is no different from granting a child.
Yes it is, because I don't think Sireyi would be okay with having children running around that she can't give her appropriate attention. That alone would make me vote no.

>>35431583

Hmm...

I say we up the requirements for a family to have an angelic child. Or watch them closer and have a more strict attitude. Suupport and constant involvement of the Church, more than usual for regular adoption.

>>35431629
That's only a small part of the potential problem.

They don't have wings and probably won't develop many natural powers unless they've got a high quantity of angelic blood, which has it's own dangers.

The last part I agree with if it wins, but I don't think it would bolster the realm much at all.

>>35431673
I don't understand what you are trying to say here?
They enjoy doing their duty, and?

Whilst you consider that you change the topic “So how is the wellspring doing?” you ask

“Good” says Poppy, showing you a letter from the priestess supervising the construction of a Church there “Apparently everyone moving to the town is healthy and well, no one gets sick, even peoples old injuries are fading, there’s not been a single babe or mother die in childbirth and even when folk get hurt in work accidents, there’s only been a single death.”

She continues “People there are happy: the town constable has nothing to do except help shepherds find lost animals and everyone there seems cheerful.”

“And” she says “The Church is being built with a specialist lab to use the power of the wellspring: soon you’ll have a lot of magical items created by the priestess’ there.”

“And the church in general?” you ask

“Doing well” says Poppy “Could do with another priestess or pair of hands from time to time” she says with a meaningful look in your direction “But no real problems and the common folk are happy to see shrines and churches to Velya all over.”

“So how many requests do you get from childless couples?” you ask

“In Dalvin?” says Poppy “Or the Barony?”

“The Barony” you say

“Oh, must be fifty couples or so a year” says Poppy “Mostly young couples, but a few older ones as well.”

“And how many priestess do you have that can answer these requests?” you ask

“Only five” says Poppy “And handling more than 4 requests each tends to drain their powers somewhat – so we only manage to deal with half of the requests we get, but don’t worry – couples are willing to wait.”

“And from those that already have children?” you ask.

>>35431629
Actually her being a Saint means she has to be extra careful, since she is a potential deity too.

“Only twenty in the last 2 years” says Poppy “But expect that to grow if you let anyone have angelic kids.”

>I can’t help right now
>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>I’ll help childless couples have children
>I’ll help any couple have kids

And if helping people have children...

>Normal kids only
>Maximum of Half-angel
>Maximum of Quarter-angel
>Maximum of Angelic Blood

And Conditions?

>No conditions
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya
>Tasks serving Sireyi
>All Angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly
>Other

The requirement to visit the church regularly gives the priestesses chance to see if couples are taking care of the child, or just using it as a status symbol.

Meta: Angelic kids are not *automatically* good, they have a tendency towards good as part-demons have a tendency towards evil.

Environment determines alignment/personality more than anything, but part-angels will tend to gravitate towards good.

>>35431559
Thanks for the info. With that my vote is:
>>35430370
>Look over which reason they have to specifically request you.
>Decide to fulfill some general requests for children, after having personally looked into whether having angelic children would we bad in this case. If the parents are 'snobbish' for example, giving them angelic children might enhance their superiority complex. Do not fulfill any specific requests for angelic children.

>>35431759
>I can’t help right now
>Normal kids only
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya

>>35431759
>I’ll help any couple have kids
>Maximum of Half-angel
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya
>All Angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431759
>I'll help any couples have kids
>Maximun of half-angel

>Need to visit the Church of Velya regularly

>>35431759
>>I can’t help right now
>Normal kids only
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya

Clarification:

>I can't help right now

Means you are not helping people have children.

>>35431759
>I’ll help any couple have kids
>Maximum of Half-angel
>All Angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431629

She can do it without caring for consequences for *herself*. She still needs and would consider consequences for the people involved (including those only tangentially or indirectly involved).
>The kid will 'only' have natural powers and wings
not sure if serious. That's a pretty big deal.

If it's in line with generally accepted church practices, fine. But as far as I'm concerned, those checks priests perform are a bare minimum.

If hostlust guys get their way, so be it. But I'll be there to tell you 'I told you so' when it inevitably kicks Sireyi, her angelic flock, her subjects and potentially entire kingdom in the ass.

>>35431759
>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>No conditions

>>35431759
>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>No conditions

>>35431759
>I'll help any couples have kids
>Maximun of half-angel
>All angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431759
>>I’ll help childless couples have children
But only the general request, or those who have a very good reason for asking for angelic children.
>Maximum of Angelic Blood

>Tasks serving the Church/Velya
I would like them to honour Velya and not just treat her as a source of children. Most will already do this, so it shouldn't be a huge condition.

>>35431759
>I'll help any couples have kids
>Maximun of half-angel
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya
>All angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431759
>I'll help any couples have kids
>Maximun of half-angel
>All angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

Deity power rank up is a go.

>>35431759
>>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>No conditions

>>35431759
I'm more or less okay with anything that isn't:
>I’ll help any couple have kids
>Maximum of Half-angel
>Maximum of Quarter-angel
>No conditions

If it's not any of those options, then consider this as a vote for it.

There's no reason at all for anything above angelic blood, and giving children to couples that already have them might result in some division amongst pre-existent siblings.

In addition, the latter would definitely result in people with less-than-kind reasons for asking trying to get an angelic child.

>>35431759
>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>No conditions

>>35431759
>>I'll help any couples have kids
>>Maximun of half-angel
>All angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

I waited for this the whole quest.

And watch the samefagging go of the charts.

>>35431759
>I'll help any couples have kids
>Maximun of half-angel
>All angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya

>>35431759
>I'll help any couples have kids
>Maximun of half-angel
>Need to visit the Church of Velya regularly

>>35431759
>>I can’t help right now
>Normal kids only
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya

>>35431759
>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>No conditions

>>35431888

That's a terrible way to vote, AA.


>>35431759
>I'll help any couples have kids
>Maximun of half-angel
>All angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431759
>I’ll help any couple have kids
>Maximum of Half-angel
>All Angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431759
>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya

I'll close the vote in 5 minutes.

>>35431934
>>35431932
These are both completely obvious samefaggings, spelling 'maximum' as 'maximun'.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

>>35431759
>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya

>>35431759
>I can’t help right now
>Normal kids only
>All Angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431920
I love you, but I would prefer you don't write posts like that again. Samefagging or no samefagging is always the same, across all quests. Your pessimistic post is a downer that accomplishes nothing.

>>35431951
You are both voting against giving any children at all and for only giving normal children. Might you have intended another quote at the beginning of your post?

>>35431759
>I’ll help any couple have kids
>Maximum of Half-angel
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya
>All Angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431978
>>35431979

Both sides are samefagging to hell and back.

It's just better to do a final destinatiom vote, or maybe even just flipping a coin.

>>35431759
>>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya

>>35431759
>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya

>>35431759
>I’ll help any couple have kids
>Maximum of Half-angel
>Tasks serving Sireyi
>Tasks serving the Church/Velya

>>35432017
Fuck flipping a coin
>All Angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431759
>I'll help any couples have kids
>Maximun of half-angel
>All angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

Yeah no sorry, but I'm not gonna get samefagged into some shitty eugneics program just because.

>>35431759
>I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)
>Normal kids only
>No conditions

vote closed, counting

>>35431759
>I'll help childless couples have children
>Normal kids only
>All Angelic children need to visit the church of Velya regularly

>>35431759
>No conditions
>I can’t help right now
>Normal kids only

>>35431979
I'm on a phone, so I copied someone's post without closely checking it. So that was my fault. That particular post was the only one I made, though it does seem like there is a lot of activity just now.

>>35432098
>>35432096
Posted at the exact same time, is it still being counted?

>>35432071

And instead, you will get samefagged into not doing it.

>>35431759

>I'll help couples have children
not just 'any' though. Do some screening.

>Maximum of Angelic blood

>Tasks serving the Church/Velya
>Visit church regularly

>>35432071
I am surprised at how different the turnout of this vote is compared to the discussion before as well. Who knew so many people wanted Sireyi to give everyone children who asks, going even further than the church does.

>>35432125
I'm okay with that, as terrible as it might be.
I understand if people who want the eugneics program would be mad at it too, but its not like it matters, might as well have flipped a coin.

>>35432145
They don't, they're just being shitty people and don't actually read what they're voting for in their idiocy.

>>35432145
Pallys post was pretty clearly in favor of the giving children thing, considering it only pointed out the positive sides and argued against the downsides, so obviously some people were swayed.

>>35432180

Look at this anon, with his bad wrong opinion, arguing that other people have bad wrong opinions.

>>35432223
I meant the part about giving away children to anyone that asks without appropriate screening.

A.K.A. what you fucking voted for.

>>35432223
The problem is more, they voted for giving "any" couple a child, even those that already have children instead of those that don't have any, completly missing the initial point of the exercise.

>>35432298

People with children are already good for raising kids. People without children, well, infertility is a thing, yes?

>>35432183
I've reread the last posts. How is Pally showcasing the positive sites and arguing against the bad ones? He just seemed to summarize what we already know: There is little discrimination, but potential for envy. Cultists might want to kidnap them, but those are rare. There is some screening program, but it's only rudimentary.

Unless this is the first thread they participate in and they didn't even read many posts here, that post should not have had any surprising information.

>>35432336
No, raising children doesn't necessarily make you good at raising children. Also, them being good at raising children is mostly irrelevant to the discussion. And yes, infertility is a thing, what do you want to say by that?

OK, writing.

Wow that was an interesting vote.

Clear winners are
Helping with other tasks
Helping couples have kids
Tasks serving the church

Very narrow winner
Normal children only

Discarded (but won the vote)
Angelic children visit the church regularly
I could include this for normal kids too of course.

Writing

>>35432343
We had actually no idea how common discremination was in the kingdom, Sireyi got a lot of shit for being a half-angel from her step-mother alone, and otherwise she grew up isolated largely. So we had no idea how common that is in the lands. Nor did we know about how people get screened by the church ov Veyla. And there is the making light of all potential threats. I'm not saying Pally was being biased, I'm saying it painted all possible consequences ina very positive light.


>>35432433
>Helping with other tasks
>Helping couples have kids
Those directly contradict eachother. The "helping with other taks" was the disagreement vote.

>>35432433
>Helping with other tasks
>Helping couples have kids
Thats bullshit. Sorry, but it is, its very obvious that those that voted for other tasks didn't want the children thing.

>>35432394

That helping both childless couples and couples with children isn't a bad thing.

People with kids already have experience raising them. If they are good or bad at it, we will still screen them before deciding to grant them a child.

Childless couples can be good or bad at raising a kid too, so it's the same shit. Just harder to know ifthey will be good or bad parents. Logically, granting an angelic kid to parents is safer than to not-yet-parents.

The infertility thing...I might just habe misunderstood the post I quoted, so ignore it, please.

>>35432454
>>35432476
It just means we'll be helping them with other tasks, such as healing, and helping some people have kids, that's all.

They were probably just setting up contingencies in the event that the people who wanted to give people kids won the vote, which they did.

>>35432502
What are you trying to say? The "do other tasks" was in clear disagreement with the having kids thing, which to my count at best tied.

>>35432454
>>35432476
Ok, fair point, I believe the combined votes for
>I can't help, and
>Help with other tasks
are more than the
>help couples have children votes

So I'll default to
>Help with other tasks

Though if anyone feels I've miscounted, speak up now.

And yes the
>help with other tasks
was meant to be about not helping with kids

In retrospect I shouldn't have included a
>can't help
which may have split the vote

>>35432532
I thought you were one of the guys trying to get half-angel kids and were attempting to get some of the votes for normal kids undone.

All that deity power we could have had...

>>35432477
People with kids can just make more kids if they want to.

I don't care if they are great experienced parents or just mediocre. As long as they are not particularly bad, I won't hold it against them.

Of course it's the same with childless couples. But we don't give them children because we think they will be great parents. The reason was, and feel free to correct me, that it would be a good deed to allow infertile parents to have children.

>>35432569

Damnit, Pally.

Not helping people have kids is so very not Velya-like. Heresy, I say, heresy!

>>35432569
Both were against having children so yes, they should be counted together for that purpose, even if what she says would be from the majority.
Its rather unclear now after this post, do we help with children now or not?
Since you included both answers in your win post.

>>35432576
Just means we need to get extra busy with Isla, Sofia and Jal.

>>35432576
Would've been the exact same amount we'd have gotten from regular angel-blooded kids, which some of the guys who voted for normal kids might've preferred.

Instead they had to vote for normal kids since there was too much steam behind half-angel and normal kids for any angel-blood votes to matter.

Look at what samefagging has done, and despair.

>>35432611
>do we help with children now or not?

Not now. Though this may come up again in future.

>>35432632
>Look at what samefagging has done, and despair.
I wonder if we ever meet the Demon Lord of Samefagging in our trip to hell ?

>>35432636
If it does, just let AA decide. I don't want to deal with this shit again.

>>35432433
>Wow that was an interesting vote.
You can say that again. Had I known how this would turn out I would have samefagged as much as possible. I have never samefagged in votes before, but the result is so utterly stupid that it would have been worth beginning.

I also agree with the others that those voting for "I’ll help with other Church tasks (healing etc, not children)" actually meant this as a vote against children.

Not to mention that granting non-angelic children is stupid. If it is normal children you want, you can just create an aritfact with Celestial Iron and imbued with Root of all Life so that anyone who wants to can have children.

>>35432649
Truly the hell of our own making.

>>35432661
The result is not granting children at all.

>>35432661
>you can just create an aritfact with Celestial Iron
We should totally do this, actually. Would make it alot easier on the priests. Put it in the church on top of the wellspring.

>>35432650
I second this. Its just going to be the same all over again.

“I’ll help out any way I can” you say “healing, taking service, but” you clarify, just as Poppy grins and is about to make what you assume to be a dirty remark “no helping couples with children.”

Poppy closes her mouth, reconsiders her words and asks “Why not?”

“I’m not comfortable with that” you say “I know it’s something the church does, but I think people may request a child of mine, angelic or not because they feel it makes their child special – and that’s a lot to put on a young pair of shoulders.”

“All children are special to their parents” points out Poppy.

“But not all children are targets for demon-worshippers” you point out “and what if the couple are bad parents, what if the child turns bad? I have a lot of power Poppy – do you really want to see what someone with my powers could do if they had no morals, nothing holding them back?”

“No” she concedes “That I’m happy never seeing.”

“Besides” you say “I have two children already – I’m not sure I’m ready for dozens.”

“If Jal has her way...” murmurs Poppy under her breath.

Moving on, next character

Shahulzer has been busy in his raids upon orc and beastman tribes. When you go to see him his lair is filled with treasure: gold and silver taken in raids, as well as some strange magical weapons and armour that he’s examining when you enter.

“What do you have there?” you ask.

Shahulzer is in his dragon form and starts visibly at your voice, turning rapidly to face you and dropping the suit of armour he was holding and raising himself up on his hind legs as if to attack.

When he sees it’s you he relaxes “Oh Sireyi” he says “I didn’t hear you.”

“I did yell at the entrance” you say “for ten minutes.”

“Sorry” he says, abashed “I got engrossed in...”

>>35432661
Disregard the part that's not true anymore. I'm glad you changed to not giving any children.

>>35432697
There are many things that could be done with items. For some reason I am most of the time the only one who wants to do that, though.

Especially now, that we can make 28 times the amount of CI that we used to be able to make and can enchant miscellaneous items.

“What is that?” you ask, gesturing at the black armour.

“Something an orc warchief was wearing” explains Shahulzer “I think it’s demonic in origin, but I don’t know what type of demon.”

>Been raiding a lot?
>Examine armour
>How have you been adjusting to this plane?
>How are you and Nicolvren getting along
>These dragons allying against me...
>Other

>>35432650
I can agree to that. He didn't vote the same I did, but at least AA has valid reasons for what AA does.

>>35432762
>>Been raiding a lot?
>Examine armour
>How have you been adjusting to this plane?
>How are you and Nicolvren getting along
>These dragons allying against me...

>>35432762

>How have you been adjusting to this plane
while
>Examining the armor

>By the way, Nico has told me some dragons are teaming up to cause problems. Haven't you seen anything during your flights that could help me learn more?

>>35432762
>Been raiding a lot?
>How have you been adjusting to this plane?
>>Examine armour
>These dragons allying against me...

Ok, roll me Willpower 1d20+16

Rolled 7 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35433003

Rolled 13 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35433003

Rolled 19 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35433003

Let's not get corrupted by orky fashion.

“How have you been adjusting to this plane?” you ask, as you examine the armour Shahulzer has dropped, by hand, eye and arcane powers.

“It’s fine” he says with a toothy grin “I like it here, there’s no demons, so there’s few things that can hurt me.”

He explains “Everything that fights me is kinda soft and easy. Ok not everything” he clarifies as you look at him with a raised eyebrow “I avoid other dragons, and I wouldn’t dream of fighting you, but most other things are easy to fight – this is an easy place to live in.”

“And your raids” you ask, a little disturbed by his answer “You’ve been raiding a lot?”

Shahulzer gestures at the hoard around him “See for yourself” he says, clearly pleased with himself “all taken from orcs and beastmen” he says “I’ve only targeted those who are your enemies.”

“Have you and Nicolvren been getting along?” you ask

Shahulzer shrugs “Well enough I suppose” he says “we talk occasionally about stuff, but we don’t spend a lot of time together.”

“Any other dragons you’ve gotten to know?” you ask as you continue to examine the armour Shahulzer has taken.

“Not really” he says “Nicolvren told me about the dragons plotting against you” he says “But none have come to visit me.”

“They may target you” you point out “Apparently Harugards sister is a leader of theirs, and she may go after you for taking his lair.”

“If I can fight I’ll fight” he says “If I’m badly outnumbered I’ll get away.”

“If you are” you say “Let me know as soon as you can. Uh oh...”

“What?” asks Shahulzer, concerned.

“How many suits of armour and weapons did you find?” you ask

“Three of each, why?” asks Shahulzer

“Because these suits are made from demons transformed into metal” you say “and I think the transformation is reversible – the right command will literally turn the armour into a half-dozen demons.”

“That explains why I couldn’t figure out what type they were” says Shahulzer conversationally.

A quick examination of the swords and axe he collected reveals each is made of 2-3 demons too.

>I’ll need to take the armour and weapons to examine them
>Transform armour or weapon to interrogate demon
>Destroy armour and weapons
>Where did you get these?
>Other

>>35433286
>Destroy armour and weapons, except one weapon
>Where did you get these?
>interrogate

>>35433286

>I'll need to take those for questioning and subsequent banishment.
>Where did you get them?
>Please let me know if you find any more, can't have those guys running around causing havoc, and they might be leads to rest of elemental nodes...

>>35433286

I'll pretty much second this option:

>>35433317

>>35433286
I'll second >>35433317
On the condition that we don't destroy them until after interrogation.

One demon might hold a higher rank than his fellows and we don't if they would all know the information we're looking for, best to play it safe.

You pile all the weapons and armour up, pick out one of the swords cast a spell to dispel the magics keeping the demons within transformed.

Immediately the sword disappears and two of the fast hunter demons you faced in your battle against Gorrask spring forth.

You and Shahulzer are ready for them however and as Shahulzers claw comes down and pins one, you summon forth lightning in your hand and point your fist, crackling with energy at the other – it gets the point and raises its hands in surrender.

“What?” it growls out

>What does Urgorg want?
>Why are you trapped in these weapons/armour?
>Ask other questions (what?)

>>35433607
>Why are you trapped in these weapons/armour?

>>35433607

>What demon lord do you serve? What does he want?
>Why did you take this form?
>How many more of you are there?
>Where are your buddies?

>You have outstayed your welcome in this realm (banish)

>>35433607
>>35433696
Second this, except the banish part.

>>35433607
Pretty much what this anon said >>35433696
but maybe ask if it seeks redemption?

>>35433755

Fair enough. Offer them some Evangelisation before disposing of them. Shah did get the chance after all.

Ok, roll Fellowship 1d20+16 to interrogate

Rolled 10 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35433851
all 1's

Rolled 12 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35433851

Rolled 15 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35433851

Let's be Extra Convincing

Rolled 20 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35433793

“What demon lord do you serve? What does he want?” you bark at the demon “Speak up!”

As you threaten the demon with a fistful of lightning you pitch your voice to convey authority and command – it seems to work as the demon answers your questions.

“Urgorg the Invincible” it growls out “And He wants your head.”

“Then why did you take this form?” you ask “I thought Urgorg more direct than this.”

The demon looks confused, or angry, or maybe both “Eyeless come” it snarls “Servant of Salvastis, treaty with Mighty Urgorg – we must take these forms.”

“Why?” you say “For what purpose?”

The demon shakes its head “Only see orcs in armour” it says “Fighters but no threat, ignored in battle, go into enemy camps and homes, then we come forth”

It seems they were to be infiltrators of some kind – it was a fairly subtle spell – if you hadn’t examined it closely you probably would have thought it was *just* demon-forged armour.

“How many more of you are there?” you ask

“More every day” it grins at you “Now only a few, but soon, hundreds, chieftains first, then many, many more.”

“Where?” you ask

“The Pillar” it say with a toothy grin “Hidden from your sight, underground, three boxes of power to give it strength.”

That doesn’t sound good.

>Ask other questions (what?)
>End conversation (vote on what to do with it in next post)

>>35434091
>End conversation (vote on what to do with it in next post)

>>35434091

>Where's the pillar?

I'm guessing this issue is making its way to the top of our todo list. Not sure if I want to deal with dragons before we settle this.

We should prep some really, really, REALLY overcharged consumable (scroll, wand, orb) of disjunction for when we finally find that fucking pillar.

>>35434214
The pillar projects an anti-magic field and Disjunction is technically magic, so even that might not work.

Our Deific Power might let us overpower it's anti-magic properties, however.

Where is the pillar?
Who is in charge of things on this plane?
How can I find them?

Tied vote (assuming the now deleted post doesn't count).

Awaiting tie breaker

Meta: I think post >>35434258 has been deleted, unless my browser is messing with me.

Disregard previous post, I can't read, I suck cocks etc.

>>35434393
sorry, I deleted my post because I worded it poorly.

“Where is the Pillar?” you ask “How can I get to it?”

The demon grins “Walk the Path of Screams” it says. Which doesn’t make much sense, walking the Path of Screams is a fancy way of saying *to bargain with/worship demons*.

“Who is in charge on this plane?” you demand.

“Gorrask” it says, drawing out the word. Well at least now you know he’s alive, assuming this thing isn’t lying.

>Ask question (what?)
>End conversation

>>35434091

Extract every little information the demons might have.

>>35434502
>End conversation

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>>35434502
Picture entirely related

>>35434502
End conversation, we have a whole bunch of other demons to interrogate.

You’ve got as much out of this demon as you think you’re going to get. Now what to do with it?

>Banish
>Kill
>Offer Redemption
>Interrogate other Demons
>Other

Unless you specify otherwise, this applies to the others trapped in the armour/weapons too.

Banish and Kill are mutually exclusive options, others are not.

>>35434747
>Offer Redemption
>Interrogate other Demons
>Other (Combine all the demons into something really cool. like a motorcycle or something)

>>35434747
>Banish

>>35434747
>Banish
>Interrogate other Demons

You release some more of the other demons and interrogate them in turn, but they are demons of the same type – hunter demons, and none know anything more than the first demon you interrogated.

Once you are satisfied that you have learned all you can, you banish all of the demons in the weapons and armour you have.

“Let me know if you find any more” you tell Shahulzer as you prepare to leave.

“Of course” he says.

You knew that Pillar was going to be more trouble....
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You visit Philly, to find her training with her sword, dancing through complex attack patterns, a look of concentration on her face.

You wait until she’s finished her set, sweat dripping from her face. With her focus no longer on her moves she notices you “Sireyi” she says “didn’t see you there.”

“That looks complex” you note.

Philly grins “Oh not so much” she says “once you know how. Want to show me your skills?” she gestures to a weapons rack full of wooden weapons.

>Sure
>Nope

“Anyway” she continues “You told me about your mother, I figure sooner or later you’ll be trying to rescue her, I wanted to talk about who you’ll be taking with you.”

>Who do you think I should take?
>I’ve not decided
>I’m going alone
>I’ll take...(who?)
>Other

This is not the final vote on who to take, this is discussing options.

>>35434747
>Offer Redemption

Manging to convert them will give the most info.

>>35435119
>Sure
>I will be taking every paladin, of course, except Jarl's wife.

I managed to forget ther name, fuck my life.

>>35435119
>Sure
>Who do you think I should take?
>I’ve not decided

>>35435166
Sofia, and I think it would be better to take nobody except for Shahulzer, and even then, only as a guide.

Any usage of divine power would be a giant beacon for every demon with any real strength.

>>35435119
>Other (combine her into something really cool. like a motorcycle or something)
>nope (we not a show off, right? would this be considered showing off?)
>Who do you think I should take?

Please make me a combat roll 1d20+11

Rolled 17 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>35435386

Rolled 4 + 17 (1d20 + 17)

>>35435386
all 1's

Rolled 13 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>35435386

“Sure” you say, taking up a halberd and assuming a guarding stance. The two of you begin with slow and light sparring and then you begin to speed up.

Despite your speed and strength Philly can keep up with you and presses you hard, as if testing you.

“I’ve not decided yet” you say “I was thinking of taking Shahulzer, maybe Isla – who do you think I should take?”

“Anyone you aren’t afraid to lose” says Philly, pressing the attack hard.

“That’s a bit pessimistic” you say as you parry her attacks and launch several of your own, which Philly easily deflects.

“I know you’re tough” responds Philly “Too tough at times – you forget how easily other people can die.”

“I do not” you protest as you pull your weapon back just as she goes to disarm you, a move she’s used on you before.

“Sure you do” retorts Philly, testing your defences with a flickering blade “Shahulzer might be able to survive Hell – but he did a lot of hiding, to hear him tell it, and do you really think Isla is ready for that? She freaked out a little the last time she was in a fight.”

“I was going to talk to her about that” you say.

“You do that” says Philly, unable to get inside your guard “In the meantime, think hard about who you want to risk – you’ve a lot of people who will easily follow you into danger – make sure you can lead them back out.”

“And you” you say “Do you want to come?”

“Want to?” she says, shaking her head “No, but I think I need to. Good work on your blade skills, I thought you’d been neglecting them, what with all the magic you can do, I was wrong.”

You end your sparring session, with your mind considering the possibilities.

No matter how busy, or crazy, or hectic your life gets, you always try to spend time with Mili and Vivi – who are starting to talk more than more now.

You’ve taken them out on the keep grounds for a picnic, to give Jal and Sofia a break and after eating you’re watching them roll metal hoops around – a source of great joy for both of them.

Then Mili decides she wants both hoops and grabs Vivi’s, running off with it, Vivi in pursuit.

As you prepare to intervene you start to sense something strange...

Roll Willpower 1d20+16

Rolled 10 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35435638

Rolled 16 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35435638

Rolled 3 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35435638

Rolled 5 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35435638

With Mili easily out-distancing him, Vivi stops running and instead scowls at her, a look of intense concentration on his face.

Is he...?

Yes, you can definitely sense Viviken trying to shape arcane magic.

>Interrupt him
>Dispel it
>Wait to see what happens

>>35435744
Can't we try to sense what spell it is?

>>35435744
>Dispel it

>>35435782
You can try, yes.

Extra option

>Identify spell

>>35435744
>>Wait to see what happens

>>35435813
>>35435744

Change to
>Identiy spell

Vivikens magic is raw and not shaped according to strict arcane principles, but what he's casting would most resemble a (weak) Telekinesis spell.

>Dispel
>Wait
>Interrupt

>>35435744
ID spell

>>35435903
>Dispel

>>35435820
Identify it, dispel if needed.

>>35435903
>>Wait

>>35435903
>Dispel
No real need to let it play out.
We can talk to him about it afterwards, especially when not to use magic, obviously he didn't know yet, but for later.

>>35435903
Wait, discipline as needed, if needed.

>>35435903
>Dispel

>>35435903
>Wait

Guys, let themd evelop their powers.

>>35435903
>Wait

>>35435903
>Wait
I think he's just going to try and get his hoop back.

Also, if this is the first time he's using sorcery, dispelling it might force his ability to go dormant.

Maybe.

I don't really know how sorcery works in this setting.

This might be psionics rather than sorcery.

>>35436036
They can develop their powers fine, but nothing he could do with that power would be anything praise worthy right now.
So we can just dispel it and talk to him about it afterwards. We aren't taking his magic away, we keep him from using it possibly unwisely against his sister.

wait it is, writing

>>35435903

>Wait

You decide to wait to see what Vivi does with his spell rather than quash his power outright.

Vivi scowls harder in concentration and then Mili yelps in surprise as one of the hoops is yanked from her hand and flies through the air to land at Vivi’s feet.

Vivi looks surprised, but delighted, he picks up his hoops with a smile on his face.

Mili is less than happy, with an angry cry of “Vivi, that’s mine!” she charges at him, the other hoop in her hand.

You feel...something similar from Mili

Roll Willpower 1d20+16 to identify

Rolled 4 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35436267

Rolled 18 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35436267

>>35436267
hey pally, if we rolled 3 1's here what would happen?

Rolled 10 + 16 (1d20 + 16)

>>35436267

>>35436375
The raw magic gets out of control and the children explode.

Mili is channelling divine power, not arcane, and from the way the little girl suddenly started moving smoothly and with the agility and confidence of an adult you think she’s using....Battlemind.

She’s charging at Vivi with a metal hoop in her hand, she could do some damage with that in her current state.

“No snatching!” screams Mili, apparently she doesn’t regard what she did as snatching.

>Wait and watch
>Dispel it
>Intercept her
>Other (what?)

>>35436375

You would have misidentified the power.

>>35436411
>Intercept her

>>35436411
"That's enough children!" USE THE VOICE!

>>35436411
>Intercept her

>>35436411
>Battlemind
Do you mean Battle Mastery?

>>35436411
Intercept.

Time to apply a life lesson on when to use magic.

>>35436411
>Intercept her
Take her into a big hug.
And tell her about sharing.

hey guys, after this do you think we could combine our children into something cool, like a motorcycle?

>>35436101

Nothing praise worthy? They're children! Anything at all, even if it's small, is praise worthy. You need to encourage them to develop, not repress them.

>>35436503
>Do you mean Battle Mastery?

Yes

It's late here is my only excuse.

>>35436617
You shouldn't praise them for picking fights with eachother.
The magic thing is praise worthy, but not what he was going to do with it, was my point. So there was no need to let it happen.

>>35436411

>Intercept

>Explain it to them.

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>>35436616

>>35436716
All paladins should ride motorcycles

You step in-between them and catch Mili before she gets to Vivi, sweeping her up in your arms. As you do so the thin metal hoop in her hands is swung straight at your throat, bouncing off your skin just over a major blood vessel.

With your powers you barely even feel it, but still, her accuracy is impressive.

“That’s enough” you chide Mili, holding her tightly under her powers subside. Vivi plays with his hoop at your feet, oblivious to the death-glare his sister is giving him. “You’ve got two hoops” you explain to the seething bundle of battle-frenzy in your arms “You need to share.”

You’re lucky you were here when that happened, if they’d been on their own...

Still, at least now you know that both children appear to be coming into their powers early.

You’ll need to chat to Sofia and Jal to get their input, but what will you suggest should be done about this?

>Nothing, this was probably a one-off
>Have a wizard or sorcerer (or angel) around them at all times
>Start teaching them how to use their powers
>Create a magical item that will suppress their powers until they’re older
>Other (what?)

>>35436777
>>Start teaching them how to use their powers

>>35436777
>Start teaching them how to use their powers
and for when we are not around

>>35436777
>Start teaching them how to use their powers
They are likely to be targets, they need to be able to have some level of defense.

>>35436777
>Start teaching them how to use their powers

>>35436777

>Start teaching them

Let's hope they have enough reason in them...

>>35436777
>Start teaching them WHEN and WHY to use their powers

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>>35436761
I quite agree

>>35436777
>Start teaching them how to use their powers
And find out if they can use both arcane and divine or if it's only one each.

>>35436933
Viviken probably can't use divine abilities, Milerna only has them from being Sofia's daughter.

You’re going to have to start teaching the children how to control their blossoming powers and how to use them responsibly.

Still, for now you enjoy the rest of the afternoon with your children, keeping a close eye on them, just in case...

--------------------------------------

Demihydria is certainly popular with your soldiers. In fact at Matthias’ last count she 4 boyfriends and a dozen or so casual lovers amongst the guards.

When you talk to her she seems very happy here, and the keeps gardens have flourished under her care.

“And like, Josiah was comparing me to a summer moon” she says as she examines the roses for pests “Which was really sweet, but Almin says he wants to marry me, and I like them both, but I can’t choose between them” Demihydria lays out her relationship problems “And I think Sara really wants to be more than just *friends* and I like her, but what if I want kids one day, I mean sure, the blessing of the forest technically lets me...but what if she doesn’t want kids, being a guard and all?”

>You should pick one person and stick with them
>As long as everyone involved is kept informed, you can do what you like
>Blessing of the Forest?
>I can’t help you with this
>Other

>>35437022
>As long as everyone involved is kept informed, you can do what you like
>Blessing of the Forest?

>>35437022
>As long as everyone involved is kept informed, you can do what you like
>Blessing of the Forest?

>>35437022
>>As long as everyone involved is kept informed, you can do what you like
>>Blessing of the Forest?

Uh, interesting.

>>35437022
>As long as everyone involved is kept informed, you can do what you like
>Blessing of the Forest?

maybe we should word "As long as everyone involved is kept informed, you can do what you like" better?

>>35437181
Yes, please don't word it like that.

Throw in something about considering feelings or some such thing.

You know, make it sound like something Sireyi would actually say.

Too tired to write-in dialogue without it sounding like crap.

>>35437225
Well the implication is pretty strong that if they aren't okay with it, they know and can end the relationship, or at least tell Demi they aren't. I see no problem with this.

“You should consider everyone’s feelings” you say “I won’t tell you what you can do or with whom, I will just ask you to avoid hurting anyone, and to make sure that you’re not keeping secrets from anyone you’re involved with.”

Demihydria nods in agreement “Thanks Sireyi” she says, beaming at you. You’ve gotten used to her supernatural attractiveness, but even so her smile still stirs feelings within you, which you ignore.

“You’re so smart” says Demihydria, as she continues to inspect the roses “I don’t know what I’d do without you.”

“I’m sure you’d manage” you say, thinking to yourself that you wouldn’t want to see how...

“So what do you mean by the Blessing of the Forest?” you ask.

“Well” explains Demihydria “As a nymph I have a strong connection to the forest, including the plants, and since plants have both male and female parts I can change myself to-”

“I get the picture” you say hurriedly, not wanting her to go into any more detail. “What lovely roses” you say, changing the topic....

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And thread ends there. Next thread in just over 11 hours.

Thank you for playing, and thank you for your patience with a difficult and hotly contested vote.

I apologise for misinterpreting peoples intentions and for not making the options clearer.

I won’t be staying awake for long but if you want to drop questions, comments or suggestions in thread, feel free to do so, I will read them before the next thread.

>>35437361
Thanks for running Pally, nice to get some character time.

Demihydria confirmed for based

>>35437361
Thank you for running Pally. Have a good night, I look forward to seeing you in 11 hours.

>>35437361
>>35432650
>>35432719
>>35432783

>>35437447
This is a request to let AA make future decision regarding children?

Rather than an in-thread vote/argument?

>>35437546
While I value AA's judgement, I'm not sure if I'm okay with just giving up the ability to debate/vote about it.

>>35437361

U R IN SPESS

WAT DO?