Also, please pick just one option, we'll have chance to work through as many as people want to.

Metapost

Just to clear up some things players may be worried about.

Your duplicate isn’t under the control of the Lord of Life, nor is her defection part of a master plan of It. If anything, It was initially surprised and confused about her not being under control (as Its copies usually are).

She could still become controlled through various abilities It has, as well as spells It can cast, but she has total immunity to its duplicate-control ability.

Also, though not part of a plot or plan yet, the Lord of Life is very intelligent and could try to incorporate what she’s been doing into Its plans, despite her free will.

As for the source of her powers, sounds like an excellent thread to pull in-character.

End Metapost

>>35912731
>Ask Velya about your doubles powers

>>35912731
>The Angels

>>35912731
>Ask Velya about your doubles powers
Should talk to our Goddess every now and then anyway, now that Sireyi is her Saint.

Actually: How many saints does Velya have atm? Do Saints ‘graduate’ at some point and become full gods?

Rolled 17 (1d17)

>>35912731
Rolling 1d17 to determine what I vote for.

>>35912731
>Ophilian

>>35912753
>>35912758
>>35912763
Three votes for Velya!

>>35912756
And while we are there we could prolly catch up with some of our Angels as well.

Ask FM update

Q:
>What exactly makes a god? Is Sireyi a god? What do we need to become one? Can we make more of this divine spark we have? A god is any being able to gather Deific Power own their own.

A:
>Possessing a divine spark means she is a god - just a very weak, minor god (Saint being the local nomenclature), also your powers are your own - some minor gods (other saints) are dependent solely upon a divine sponsor for power (like Ryzan was).
You can turn others into gods but the cost is incredibly high in terms of Deific Power. Your newly-empowered god would be a target for every elder dragon, demon lord and mad wizard who wants to be a god.

>>35912731
>The Angels

>>35912731
>Ask Velya about your doubles powers
Best idea I think. Should we hand over the two remaining books?

There’s something about your double that’s been bothering you for a while. She seems to have very similar powers to yours, and whilst she can be temperamental, stubborn and wilful – completely unlike yourself – she doesn’t seem evil.

It’s a terrible thing to suspect one’s own goddess, but you wonder if Velya is playing a long game and granting your double powers in an attempt to redeem her, or if she’s still drawing power from the Lord of Life, and risks being corrupted by it.

You find a quiet place to pray to your Goddess, who answers straight away.

“My Saint” says her voice in your mind, full of kindness and warmth and love, reminding you of your devotion to her. “How are the Angels adjusting to your realm?”

“Very well My Lady” you say “They are loved by the people and criminals all seem to be finding other jobs now.”

The two of you chat for a bit, discussing your realm, your friends and your family. Then you ask the question that’s been on your mind.

“My Lady” you say “My duplicate has powers like mine, including paladin-like abilities, I was wondering....?”

“Yes?” says the voice of patience and kindness and...is that a little bit of amusement you hear?

“I was wondering” you plunge on “If you might be sustaining her abilities as a means of redeeming her – which I would not blame you at all if you were My Lady, I ask only out of curiosity.”

Velya pauses, and then asks you in return “Do you think” she says, is her voice tinged with more amusement now? “that would be a good idea?”

She continues “Do you think empowering your...sister, let’s call her, would be a good idea? Or would you think the risk of harm she could do, is too high?”

>Worth the risk; she should keep her powers
>Too high; her powers should be stripped
>Don’t know
>Other (what?)

>>35912918
>Worth the risk; she should keep her powers

>>35912918
>Worth the risk; she should keep her powers

>>35912918
>Worth the risk; she should be monitored.

>>35912918
>Worth the risk; she should keep her powers
It would just make her search for a different power source.

>>35912918

It's more that I was worried she might be, perhaps even unwittingly, a LoL's tool.
If the Lady does it, it's cool
>Worth the risk

“I think overall” you say “It would be a good idea for her to keep her powers if you plan to redeem her My Lady. I worry that her powers might come from the Lord of Life, and perhaps she would benefit from more contact and supervision from her Goddess?”

“I agree” says Velya “More contact and supervision would be a good thing, and to allay your fears – though created by the Lord of Life she draws no power from him, nor does he have any power over her, though he might try to control her as he can control anyone else.”

You breathe a sigh of relief, that’s a weight of your mind, with Her wisdom and kindness Velya will be sure to help your *sister* see the ligh-

Velya’s voice interrupts your thoughts “But I am not the source of her powers” she says.

What?

“I don’t understand” you say.

“Really my Saint” she says, mock scolding you “Her powers don’t come from the Lord of Life, and not from me, is there no other Goddess...or Saint she might have a close personal connection to?”

Oh, oh no, no please. She hates me, when she finds out she’s going to go craz-

“So I’m glad” says Velya “That you think your Paladin needs supervision and guidance, I’ll be here if you want any advice.”

General (pick as many as you want)
>Thank you My Lady (end conversation)
>Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!?
>Can I remove or inhibit her powers?
>I have question (what?)
>Other

About your Paladin (please pick only 1)
>Can you pretend it’s you – I don’t think she likes me
>I’ll keep my distance from her, for now
>Well I guess it’s time to talk to my newest follower

>>35913114
>Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!?
>Well I guess it’s time to talk to my newest follower

>>35913114
>Can I remove or inhibit her powers?
About your Paladin
>Paladin code NOW

>>35913114
>Thank you My Lady (end conversation)
>Well I guess it’s time to talk to my newest follower

>>35913114

>I have come across a portal to another plane inhabited with gray giants and undead and enslaving living from other planes, do you know anything about the place, my Lady?

>I guess I'll have to talk to my twin... my follower...

>>35913172
>>I have come across a portal to another plane inhabited with gray giants and undead and enslaving living from other planes, do you know anything about the place, my Lady?
I'll second this

>>35913152
Write Doctrine takes a lot of Deific Power and only allows one rule to be written.

A restriction wouldn't make our sister obey it, and would probably alienate her. There's already a fairly high chance she'll reject the powers upon learning their source, no reason to make it a guarantee.

>>35913114
I'd like to talk about the possibility of integrating our double into our life. She is, basically, Sireyi. A sort of corrupted version of her, but still.

I think it is cruel to have her be apart of everything her memories tell her to hold dear, and this is the most likely thing to cause resentment long-term.

This is not necessarily something to talk to Velya about, probably better to talk with Sireyi's lovers, especially Sophia. Still, I want to throw the idea out there.

>>35913114
>Even her Dominating Touch comes from me? Can I somehow turn of that specific power, or turn it into Redeeming Touch?

>>35913191
Still working on that seventhsome

>>35913199
Sireyi doesn't know about Dominating Touch.
Should tell you something about Sireyi that her Paladin has it.

>>35913204
I was more thinking about the Double reading to her children, and now being barred from doing so.

>>35913191
Nobody was considering cutting her off from our life, we simply haven't gotten around to reconciling with her ye-

>>35913204
Okay, no, let's cut her off from our life entirely.

>>35913216
Sure there is that too. I see no reason why that wouldn't happen though.

>>35913114
>>35913214
>Is there any way for me to check on my Paladin? At least a way to find her, perhaps even one to see what powers she has developed or to supervise her.

>>35913219

You are what is wrong with quests. Voting against things just to spite others is cancer, no matter what your motives may be.

>>35913234
It was a joke on both sides anon. And this one is way too close to things people actually said seriously in this quest once to be a good joke.

>>35913234
I do hope that one was joking. As was the other probably.

>>35913214
>Should tell you something about Sireyi that her Paladin has it.
It's a corrupted redeeming touch, it has nothing to do with Sireyi.

>>35913234
>What is a joke
Could you not tell from how I cut off my logical statement with a hyphen?

I thought I was the autistic one here.

>>35913240
>>35913241
>>35913243

I've seen enough quests crash over this to apply Poe's law here.

>>35913114
>Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!?
>Well I guess it’s time to talk to my newest follower

>>35913279
Quests do not crash over one guy wanting a thing.
But I take your point.

>>35913279
I know that kind of fear, so there's no hard feelings.

>>35913294
>Quests do not crash over one guy wanting a thing.
Depends on what his Faggot Level is and if the quest has an oscillating number of anons or not.

“What? I don’t- this isn’t-, what- oh by Vel-, I mean uh, I guess I should talk to my Paladin” you say eloquently, adding “My Lady does she have all my powers?”

“From when she was created, yes” says Velya “since then you have...diverged in abilities. She does not have your deific powers and from what I’ve seen she does not have your Redeeming Touch power, she appears to have something that controls those she touches.”

“Can I remove her powers?” you say “Or maybe that one specifically?”

“Should you so wish” says Velya “you could remove all her paladin abilities, though not her sorcery powers, or her angelic or elemental abilities. Further, with no direct connection to your familiar, she may no longer be able to develop her draconic powers.”

“Thank you” you say “My Lady. I have much to think about, but I have another question: I have come across a portal to another plane inhabited with gray giants and undead and enslaving living from other planes, do you know anything about the place, my Lady?”

Velya pauses and then answers “Yes” she says “The Kelborraga are descendents of what where once demons. They were cast out for...well it was a long time ago. They settled on a realm of dark magical energies, home to a race of giants and over generations they interbred with the giants, and their hellish powers twisted to match the necromantic energies tainting that plane. They have a habit of raiding other planes for anything of value, but I am surprised that you found one – they usually avoid gods and their followers whenever possible.”

“Well from what I’m told” you say “They only mined gold from under a mountain and took trolls captives – perhaps they didn’t think they would be noticed?”

“Indeed” agrees your Goddess “Was that everything?”

>Yes (end conversation)
>Why does she not have Redeeming Touch?
>I want to ask (what?)

I’ll add talking about your double to the conversation with your allies.

>>35913370
>Yes (end conversation)
>Why does she not have Redeeming Touch?

>>35913370

>Why does she not have Redeeming Touch?

>>35913182
OK so I'm just going to throw ideas about for when we want one. everyone should feel free to add their own or say why they suck.
Know thyself, master thyself and be at with your acts (this one needs reworking a bit)
Use might in the cause of right, do right for the sake of right.(I think this one's ok)
>>35913243
>I thought I was the autistic one here.
Having autism on tg is like understanding hacking and watching a movie about it.
>>35913370
>Why does she not have Redeeming Touch and can I give it to her?
Should we approach her general about what we can do rather than springing it on her?

>>35913370
>Why does she not have Redeeming Touch? Can I undo the effects of her touch?
>What are your thoughts on attempting to rescue those they have taken prisoner? How much more dangerous is it than the plane with Drache on it? Also what is the name of that plane? (and our own since I don't know what it is)

>>35913434
>for the sake of right
What is right?

>>35913434
>rather than springing it on her
Since she is scared of our redeeming touch doing something not-specified to her, I dont really want to risk doing that right now.

>>35913370
>>35913437
Sure. Seconding

>>35913441
>What is right?
Something we might no be able to define but I'm open to ideas.

>>35913473
We shouldn't put vague stuff into our paladin code. Its more like the ten commandments. Just tell them stuff they should and shouldn't do.

I think the only rules I can think of from Sireyi would be along the lines of
>Try talking before killing, if possible.
>Minimize bloodshed.
>Don't be a dick for no reason.

>>35913559
I like those

>>35913473
I think we should stick to the most crucial and direct parts.
Don't hinder love.
Don't force people in romantic matters.
Offer people a second chance if it wouldn't recklessly endanger innocents to do so.
Try talking first if plausible
Redemption often just requires a chance and a will
Redeeming Touch is a chance for others not a problem solver for you

That kind of stuff, stuff Sireyi worked for or lessons she learned during the quest.

“Why does she not have Redeeming Touch?” you ask “If she was created as my double it would make sense that she would.”

“But created by a Lord of Life” Velya reminds you “I don’t know fully how his power to copy someone works, but I do know he can create duplicates without certain powers, or with altered ones. I expect that he felt your ability to redeem was insufficient – or he might not have understood redemption and only saw a power that makes people take certain actions, in which case he would likely consider her ability to control others an improvement.”

“What are your thoughts on attempting to rescue those the giants have taken prisoner?” you ask “and how much more dangerous is it than the plane with Drache on it?”

“I abhor the idea of anyone being made a slave” says Velya seriously “But to invade that place – and you would need to invade to free all the slaves – is a major undertaking. How many or the Kelboragga did you see?”

“Hundreds” you answer

“Ah” says Velya “I believe the full population of Kelboragga on their own plane numbers in the hundreds of millions, and their slaves outnumber them by a hundred or more.”

Oh “What is the name of that plane?” you ask “since I may want to research it more.”

“The Kelboragga call it Nystalis” says Velya “In their language it means *Beautiful Night*, I believe the scholars of your realm know it as Megona: The Plane of Death and Suffering.”

“What do people call our plane?” you ask. Velya chuckles “It depends, lots of people have named your plane different things – usually depending upon what they found, or the first people they encountered, but scholars of other planes refer to yours by a set of inter-planar coordinates...C1548A9JK I believe.”

>That’s all (end conversation)
>Ask other question (what?)

No, she doesn’t have Dominating Touch because Sireyi is a closeted dominatrix, just in case you were wondering.

>>35913606
>That’s all (end conversation)
Why do you need to take all of my fun away Pally? Shame on you.

>>35913623
You can ask more questions if you want

Or was it about the other thing?

>>35913606
>Thank her and bid her good-by.

>Spoiler
Aww…

>>35913606
>That’s all (end conversation)

>>35913606

>Thank you for your time, my Lady

Alright, let's get this show on the road. Er, whichever is on our agenda next.

>>35913633
I liked that idea, didn't think it was true, but I liked it.

>>35913633
>>35913639

I don't know about you guys, but I prefer my angelic waifu to be pure love, not some suppressed sadist.

Ahem.

Let's move on.

>>35913670
It was another joke, anon. At least on my part. Though Sireyi secretly being kinky is an amusing thought.

"Thank you for your time My Lady" you say "I have a lot to think about.

You rise to your feet and go and see out

>Who?

Options as per OP - for those of you voting by rolling, that narrows it down to 16 options plus "no more socialising" - as you've spoken to Velya already.

>>35913652
My statement neither confirms nor denies anything about Sireyi's bedroom habits; only that such a thing does not impact her double having this particular power.

Also I'm joking.

Rolled 10 (1d16)

>>35913720
That actually sounds fun

>>35913720
>Angels

Do we need to be discerning about who we choose or are we just going through this until we are done or bored with talking to people?

Rolled 14 (1d16)

>>35913720
okay, lets see what we get

>>35913729
Let's go meet the dragon!

I would love me some inter-draconic interaction, if possible. Sis and Nic have been meeting, for example, or perhaps we can find Nic together with her totally-not-boyfriend.

>>35913720
>>35913729
Okay, lets meet Nicolvren. Our draconic buddies definitly deserve some time devoted to them, considering how much they do for us.

>>35913740
This option is about asking your angelic commanders about how the angels under your command are doing.

Rolled 12 (1d16)

>>35913720
Voting.

>>35913771
I meant are we going to be able to talk to everyone in the list, unless we get bored, or do we have a limit of how many we can talk to. I figured we weren't going to talk to each and every angel

>>35913809
No limit on how many you talk to.

This is the *year end* social wrap-up, next *year* will actually be 18 months because you got everything done this year, and extra time allows for extra item crafting.

In conversations with allies you'll get to discuss (but not route-lock) who you plan to take with you to Hell.

>>35913720
>Angels

Nico it is, writing

FUCK YEAH! PALADIN OF JOY QUEST!
also paladin of sireyi quest?

It’s been a while since you’ve visited Nicolvren, and you always meant to take her a gift as a thank you for letting Ebonsong visit her all the time.

You search you castle until you find an old shield with the Dalvin coat of arms on it, silver embossed and very old, it’s likely quite valuable, but you have no use for it, Nicolvren will hopefully like it.

You teleport to outside her lair and yell to get her attention, with no result. Eventually your worry for her exceeds your desire for politeness and you scry on her.

Seems she’s not in her lair, she’s flying back towards it with a dead cow in her claws.

You wait until you see the juvenile silver dragon circling in the sky, descending towards you.

“Hello Nicolvren” you say “How are you”

She lands next to you, spreading her wings to conceal her prey and says conversationally as she tears a strip off the carcass “Mmmnot not bad, you?”

“Ebby not being too much of a bother?” you ask, concealing your discomfort at the gory display as you chat

“Mhnao” says Nicolvren, shaking her head “Bit ‘noying ah firs’ but then she kinda grew on me, little sister.”

“Oh yes” you agree, “Still thank you.” And you offer her the silver-decorated shield.

Nico wipes the blood off her claws and delicately takes the shield from you and examines it “You don’t need to!” she protests

“I insist” you say “Thank you for looking after Ebonsong.”

“Thank you” she says, taking the shield to her lair before returning “Been meaning to say” she says, resuming her meal “You...other you, or whatever she’s called, been building an army of orcs and the like – last I checked she was up to 10,000 or so.”

Oh great, just after you dealt with Gorrask....

“Can you show me where she is?” you ask “If I bring you a map?”

“Sure” says Nicolvren, munching on her meal “Could watch her if you want?”

Ask Nicolvren
>To watch your double
>Stay away from her
>A question (what?)
>Other

About your Double
>I need to go see her soon (adds to list this year)
>I’ll deal with her later (go see her at some later time)
>Other

>>35914068
>To watch your double
>I need to go see her soon (adds to list this year)

>>35914068
>Stay away from her
We've asked her to help us, and we have to chat with her anyway.
>I need to go see her soon (adds to list this year)
And who better to take to hell than a second Sireyi?

>>35914068
>Stay away from her
>I need to go see her soon (adds to list this year)

>>35914068
>To watch your double
>I need to contact my double though our connection that all twins(and goddesses and thier paladin's have) have

>>35914068
>>I need to go see her soon (adds to list this year)
Would that be another of these social calls, or a full task?

>>35914068
>Keep your distance, but do watch for any bigger movements.
>How are things with you and that Copper Dragon? (or was it Bronze?)
>Does she ever have trouble with adventurers or thieves?

>>35914068
Backing >>35914082
>And who better to take to hell than a second Sireyi?
I like how you think. Is there an upper limit on what Dominatrix Touch can effect?

>>35914068
Seconding >>35914129

>>35914129
>Would that be another of these social calls, or a full task?

Very much depends on how it goes.

>>35914129
those look good

“Keep your distance for now” you say “but keep me informed if you hear anything – I’m going to deal with her myself.”

“K” she says, taking another bite

“You ever have any trouble with thieves?” you ask “Or adventurers?”

Nicolvren shakes her head “Not once” she says “Orcs sometimes, but no one from your kingdom, or any humans, too deep in the Tribal Lands for them to risk it.”

“Ah good” you say, relieved “So how are you and the Copper getting along?”

Nicolvren jerks up from her meal “What has Ebonsong told you?!” alarm evident in her demeanour.

“Nothing” you say, raising your hands “just asking.”

“Oh” she says, resuming eating “Getting along ok, I guess.”

“There’s something else” you add “I’m planning to go to Hell to rescue my mother, and I’m not sure who I’m going to take, or even how I’m going to do it. What do you think? And if, *if*” you stress “I were to ask you to come with me, would you?”

Nicolvren thinks this over “I’d come with you” she says “I’m not scared of demons. As for tactics, I think first you should find out where your mother is, and then go in there full strength, get her out and leave, no messing around.”

“Thanks” you say, looking down “It means a lot that you’d offer to come with me.”

>That’s all
>Talk with Nico about something else (what?)

>>35914317
>Talk with Nico about something else (what?)
>Dat Copper, hypothetically we are pretty good with this making couples thing. Just saying.

>>35914343
lol I'll second

>>35914343
Eh, why not.

>>35914317
>>35914343

Match maker quest is go!

Say, what kind of social interactions do dragons even have? They are pretty isolated most of the time. Do they go into towns in human form to hang out, or are they fine with just visiting each other every few months or years?

“So about this Copper” you say “maybe I should go and introduce myself, see what sort of person he is?”

“Don’t you dare!” screeches Nico “I wouldn’t be able to live that down!”

She tries pleading “Please don’t Sireyi” she says “It’ll be the biggest embarrassment of my life!”

“Ok” you agree “no going to see this dragon, though” you add “Maybe you could invite him to visit? It would be nice to meet him.”

“I’ll think about it” promises Nico, though you get the impression she’s only saying that to get you to drop the topic.

Next Person?

Options as before plus
>Visit Double Prepare for trouble!

>>35914486
>The Angels

>>35914486
>The Angels

Rolled 9 (1d16)

>>35914486
Still 1d16, right?

>>35914486
As fun as this is, I think we want to get somewhere today. So lets do
>Angels
and then I suggest we visit our double and prepare for trouble

>>35914539
Yes

>>35914539
We haven't really done much with Matthias in a while… And we could visit Jianxi and that Jungle boy at the same time! And tease them about how they like being parents!

>>35914486
Brokin!

Angels it is, writing

After visiting Nicolvren, you search out Vantorim and Eliskael – your angelic lieutenants.

You find them in conversation, flying above the Town of Dalvin. As they notice your approach they manage to execute a mid-air bow, without looking awkward.

“Divine Lady” says Vantorum “How may we be of service?”

“I just wanted to see how you and the other angels were adjusting to my realm.” You say.

“We are all well” says Eliskael with a smile “We have all visited mortal realms before and yours is far more pleasant than many.” You suspect she might just be being polite.

“Indeed” adds Vantorim “We are content – we patrol your realm looking for...problems.”

Eliskaels perfect face is marred by a frown, before she smiles and adds “But the solution eludes us, might we beg your advice Lady?” This time it’s Vantorim who frowns, before the expression disappears.

“Of course” you say “How can I help you?”

“As we patrol your realm” says Vantorim “We sometimes sense...evil, even demon-magic. When we investigate we turn all perpetrators over to the mortals authorities, save the few demons we encounter that are slain or banished.”

“Demons” you ask “In my realm?”

“An unhappy reality” says Eliskael “We didn’t bring it to your attention because the incidents were so few, and only minor demons have been found. A few of your subjects flirt with dark powers, we’ve not found any one in thrall to a demon yet.”

“It sounds like you have it in hand” you say “And you don’t need my help”

“The disagreement” says Eliskael, with an unhappy look at Vantorim “Is that per your example, demon-worshipping mortals here are imprisoned – an entirely reasonable solution that not everyone” a chiding look at Vantorim “Agrees with.”

Vantorim gives Eliskael an indulgent smile before adding “Elsewhere in this kingdom, Dornmer, Demon-worshippers are put to death, I do not fault your actions Lady, I only urge caution, perhaps we should follow the example of the Kingdom.”

Other than those you’d passed judgement on personally, you haven’t given advice to magistrates, perhaps they felt they had to follow your example?

“Also” says Vantorim “We sometimes find demon-blooded mortals here, not many” he adds “perhaps a hundred - mostly beggars and poorer folk – how would have us deal with them?”

Demon-worshippers?
>Will continue to be imprisoned, unless they’ve committed other crimes
>Perhaps we should switch to the death penalty, if the Kingdom does
>Other

Demon-blooded
>Ignore them, unless they’re hurting people
>Watch them
>Bring them to me
>Drive them out of my Realm
>Other

>>35914856
>Will continue to be imprisoned, unless they’ve committed other crimes
>Excepting of course repeat offenders.

>Ignore them, unless they’re hurting people or are being persecuted, in which case bring them to me
I see no issue with them?

>>35914856
like the eloquent motherfucker known as >>35914879 said.

Also will we be able to speak with all our companions today?

>>35914856
>Will continue to be imprisoned, unless they’ve committed other crimes
>I will agree that repeat offenders may need harsher punishment or at least need to be watched.


>Ignore them, unless they’re hurting people
Possibly
>Bring them to me
and we can change them into angels

>>35914918
In theory, apparently. Not sure if I'm interested in going through conversations with all 15 left.

>>35914936
>at least need to be watched
Isn't that what people do in prison? I would be very worried if inmates here aren't watched.

>>35914918
>Also will we be able to speak with all our companions today?

In-game the conversations take place over a longer period - some might be in-between the tasks you've done this year.

Today in this thread? Maybe not all - hence the reason to skip social activities.

Skipping will lead to talking to your allies (and Velya) about the the planned raid into Hell next year, as well as realm-building options and XP use.

These are chances to talk to your allies and find out more about them, but it is optional.

>>35914856
>>35914879
Seconding this.

>>35914936
>we can change them into angels
While not a bad thing, I worry about giving people, or reinforcing, the perception that being demon-blooded is somehow inherently bad. I would prefer putting them into a enviroment were they aren't persecuted.
Maybe we could send them to our Double?

Ask FM update.

Q:
>Could you tell us about how X blood affects alignment shift in populations (if humans are 25% evil, 50% nuetral and 25% good, how about demonblooded, dragon-blooded etc). Maybe give us a breakdown of of the effects of different percentages?

A:

Alignment mixes across a population depend upon a number of factors. However in a nation where humans are 25% Evil/50% Neutral/25% Good then people with supernatural blood would be split into the following percentages if they lived in such a place:
(Demon-blooded)
50% Evil/37.5% Neutral/12.5% Good
(Angel-blooded)
12.5% Evil/37.5% Neutral/50% Good
(Chromatic Dragon-blooded)
45% Evil/37.5% Neutral/17.5% Good
(Metallic Dragon-blooded)
12.5% Evil/37.5% Neutral/50% Good
Angels and Demons strongly push towards good and evil, dragons a little less strongly. Other magical creatures will likely push towards an alignment as well. This shift varies with how much of a percentage a person is of a given supernatural type - at 1/16th or less of a type, the alignment shift is too small to notice
These percentages will shift further if the majority or a culture has non-human heritage, or if cultural values are decided by those that have non-human heritage.
Drache, a culture ruled by demons was around 80% Evil/18% Neutral/2% Good - even amongst those with little or no demon blood.

>>35914856
>Demon-worshippers?
Should be redeemed, if possible. Put them in service to churches, have them help people. Have them attend lectures on morality, and have them use their magical powers for good.

Actually, I think it would be in VelyaÄs and Sireyi's interest to change the whole prison structure from punishment towards giving them a chance at redemption. Something akin to letting people go free earlier on good behaviour, giving them a chance to do community service in exchange for slight amenities, that sort of thing.

>Demon-blooded
They are usually in the lower social strata. This is bad, because I assume this is because of prejudice toward them. Maybe we could employ some demon-blooded people in order to show that we accept them, as long as they don't just follow their instinct? Maybe we could even turn some devout ones into angels, though that would be a thing for the future.

>>35914982
Well frankly... While they should not be discriminated against. They do have a predilection toward evil. Period.

as per >>35914983

Therefore I really think its significantly better to have a shitload of angels in our population than demons. Hell it might even make this terrible feudal age society somewhat more livable if the nobels ended up as angels.

>>35914856
Demon-worshippers?
One chance to go to stop, death for second offenses.
Demon-blooded
Invite them to visit me and I'll change them to Angel blooded when I can.

>>35915000
Obviously because discrimination is wrong.

>>35915000
Having a predilection doesn't mean they will do that. Obviously we can't ignore the fact they are more likely to become evil, but rubbing it in won't help either.

>>35915000
Thi spread is based on the assumption of a 25/50/25 spread. A better solution would just be to shift the overall cultural attitude towards good.

>>35915000
This society isn't a 25/50/25 split, and I doubt many of the demon-blooded have a high ratio of demonic blood to human blood in their heritage, making that little chart completely unreliable.

>terrible feudal age society
Yes, so awful that most of the nobles are willing to listen to reason when it comes to making the lives of commoners better and at least one of the dukes is taking a serious interest in doing so.

>>35915000
>I really think its significantly better to have a shitload of angels in our population
We already do now.

And its not a terrible feudal age. Its not that bad.

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>>35915000

To be fair, there is no reason why we shouldn't change them if they really want to.
We could have our angels go around and offer all demon-blooded they find to either get a change of scenery, or enter our service and be transformed.
Don't want to hand out free transformations to the unproven, its too exploitable

>>35915186
>>We could have our angels go around and offer all demon-blooded they find to either get a change of scenery, or enter our service and be transformed.
Unless I'm reading this wrong, you want to tell any demon-blooded in our barony to either leave or submit to a transformation and lifetime of servitude.

>>35915245
Not leave our barony. We could offer to bring them to a place where they won't get trouble for being demonblooded.

>>35915245
I didn't read it like that, but now that you've painted it in that light, I can't see it any other way.

>>35915079
Actually, that kinda is what that means. I see no reason why you wouldn't want a society where people are more likely to be good than evil. (In a world where definable and quantifiable good and evil exist)

>>35915130
That brings up a good point. Pally can we have some sort of idea what the mix is?.


>>35915114
While I agree that attempting to shift overall cultural attitude towards good is a good idea (in fact we are already doing this), a higher population of angels would significantly increase the rate of shift, having more of the population transformed into angels would increase the default good in society. I don't really see why its a problem.

We are not dealing with nebulous issues where racism is an issue. Demons are quantifiably, by nature of being born, more likely than angels and humans to be evil.


>>35915168
Be born good. No one gets hurt that way. The other way is still quite respectable however.

>>35915317
I really disagree with you but I'm not smart enough to explain why in an articulate manner.

I wish it change >>35915061 to be in line with >>35915186 as long as we're not booting out any who turn us down.

>>35915290
Maybe I should have linked to the post I was referring to >>35914982
with the "change of scenery" to remove the ambiguity.
The idea was basically to have our angels ask any demonblood they find if they have problems with their nature,since undoubtly there will be people thinking less of them for it,. If they don't, then everything is fine and they can carry on. If they do they can be offered to either be brougt somewhere where that isn't a problem, like with our Double, or enter our service and be transformed into a angelblooded.

>In a world where definable and quantifiable good and evil exist
The issue is this definable good and evil isn't really helpful, since people can be good or neutral until they do something evil.
Just take the necromancer kid, he was neutral, until he tried to murder us for power. Its not a very reliable metric.
People get evil aligments because they do evil, they don't do evil because of their aligment.
Demonblooded might be more prone to evil acts, but we can only know which will and which won't once they actually commited that evil act.

> I don't really see why its a problem.
The issue is that thats not really how it works. BIt would only work if all people are angelblooded. If only a segment of society is, it might cause the rest of the population to shift due to the social feedback of having inherently better people around. Society does not become more good because of a few good indiviudals in it. The impact a individual has on soceity is not the same for all individuals. So more angelblooded will not make society as a whole more good, unless we specifically bring them into positions of authority where they can have meaningful impact on the overall aligment.

>>35915428
>If only a segment of society is, it might cause the rest of the population to shift due to the social feedback of having inherently better people around.
That was poorly worded, what I meant, was that this might happen, but is not guaranteed, and may actually have the opposite effect, by causing resentment.

“Demon-worshippers” you say “should be imprisoned, I intend to see if the prison system needs changing, but for now that shall be their punishment, unless they have committed other crimes.”

“Repeat offenders” you add “Will of course receive longer sentences, and any magistrate may refer a case to me if they are unsure of what to do.”

“Demon-blooded” you say “Are a more complex problem: I understand and accept their predisposition towards evil, but I would not have anyone punished because of things beyond their control. For now I would have you pay no more attention to them than the other residents of my realm: if they are committing crimes, take them before the law, if others attack them, then protect them. I will need to carefully consider what the longer-term solution is.”

Both angels bow again “Your will, Divinity” they say.

Shelving this question for now, as it seems to be an issue without clear consensus.

“There’s something else” you add “I’m planning to go to Hell to rescue my mother, and I’m not sure who I’m going to take, or even how I’m going to do it. What do you think? And if, *if*” you stress “I were to ask you to come with me, would you? And what do you advise?”

“You should seek allies” says Eliskael

“I don’t want to bring an army” you say “Lots of people will die”

“In Hell” she says “seek allies in Hell.”

“Allies in Hell?” you ask

“No Lord of Hell has a harmonious domain” she says “There are always rivals, rebels, dissidents and the oppressed.”

“It would be an honour to fight at your side” says Vantorum, his fist over his heart “The legions of Hell are without end, I recommend you prepare for heavy combat.”

“Thank you for your advice” you say, leaving them to their work.

>Go talk to double
>Talk to other ally
>No more social activities for now
>Do something else

I am aware that this is not to everyone’s taste, it can be skipped if people want.

>>35915317
>Pally can we have some sort of idea what the mix is?

Dornmer is a good-leaning kingdom. Entire kingdom splits 35% good/45% neutral/20% evil

>>35915317
>Be born good
No one is born good. Except those literally made of good, I guess.
But angelblooded aren't born good, nor are demonblooded born evil. They are, for unknown reasons, more likely to have one or the other aligment. Thats not at all the same thing.

>>35915460
>Go talk to double

>>35915460
>Talk to other ally (BRO KIN!)

>>35915461
I don't think he was saying people are born good, he was just answering the question posed by the anon that he was replying to.

>>35915460
>Go talk to double

>>35915491
That nickname is both stupid and inaccurate.

>>35915499
;_; okay....

>>35915491
Ah sorry to that anon then, I forgot about the picture while typing that other post.

>>35915391
I've been there anon.

>>35915428

Heres the thing. If we weren't playing in a setting where good and evil are tangible, definable things then I wouldn't be supporting this position. The closest real life example I can think of is people who are racist going on about how "the blacks are more violent/the jews are greedy/those Gypsies are thiefs/etc."

There is no evidence that any of those things happen (or are necessarily true) due to the nature of their race. Angels and demons, are subject to their nature. Thats why I consider it a forgone conclusion. While there may be good demons, they lose nothing by being turned into angels. There is only gain.

>they can have meaningful impact on the overall aligment.

Why not do that? It makes perfect sense to me. As does creating angelic children. Children grow up to be adults after all. I am not saying we punish demonblooded. That is foolish and simply wrong, but we don't lose anything by creating and proliferating the angelic race. They ,at least from what I am seeing, literally more good than others.


>>35915491
Yes that was the case.

>>35915460
>Go talk to double
As much as I love talking to all our companions, the show must go on.
We can talk after the wedding.

>>35915543
Mathrian, just put your damn trip back on so I can filter you.

>>35915460
Bokin

>>35915547
Do you think talking to our double means the trip to hell starts immediately?

Because I have to change my vote if that's the case.

>>35915557
>Bokin

Bokin does deserve some time with us

>>35915558
>>35915579
I love both of you forever!

>>35915460
>Go talk to double

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>>35915557
ONLY SPORADICALLY!

>>35915594
>pic related

>>35915543
>If we weren't playing in a setting where good and evil are tangible, definable things
The issue is that you take the conclusion from that that people with evil aligments do evil things. But its more that people that do evil things acquire a evil aligment.
Good and and evil are quantifiable, but you still can't know which person will be evil until he is. So we can easily find people that are evil, thanks to it being quantifiable, but we can't find people that will become evil, since that is completly open until it happens.
So just because angelblooded are for some reason more likely to be good, doesn't mean that making a bunch of angelblooded will always make society as whole more good, since all of those angelblooded could still turn out evil depending on how the society around them is. And its not neccessarily that a good society will make them more likely good.
>>35915572
I don't think so no. But I think the trip to hell will happen before we get another sch segment.
The segment might end with that though, so keep that in mind.

>>35915460
>Go talk to double

>>35915460
>Bokin

>>35915460
>Go talk to double

You will get plenty of warning before you to hell

>>35915627
While that certainly is a possibility, I think an opposite of Drache is significantly more likely, especially considering we live on a plane that is (for the most part) good. It stands to reason, that if a plane controlled by demons with tons of demon bloods running around is more likely to be a super evil empire, a plane controlled by Gods of Good with tons of angel bloods running around will likely be the opposite.

Anyway, I'm still not getting why this is such an issue. I don't care if we have demon bloods and chromatics around, provided they are not evil, but it simply makes more sense to fill the majority of our population with creatures that have a predilection toward being good. However that happens.

>>35915764
>that if a plane controlled by demons with tons of demon bloods running around is more likely to be a super evil empire
But thats not how it works.
Drache was super evil because the society was organized and shaped in such a fashion to encourage people to commit evil acts, therefore making them evil. The demons just enforced that cultural attitude.
We can only get a reverse Drache if we shape our society to encourage good acts and alack of evil acts in the same fashion. Having angelblooded won't help that beyond them having the power to enforce it.
Its not the demons presence that made Drache super evil. Its the society they created, and then used their supernatural powers to enforce.

>>35915764
I can't speak for everyone but the reason I take issue with what you are saying is because it feels like you are basically saying that angel blooded mortals are superior to other mortals.

>>35915693

Speaking of which, Pally can you give us some ideas on what sort of an impact creating more angels would have? Angelic children as well?


Regarding >>35915820
As they bring up good points (if indeed correct).
How much effect does the society and the actual demonic predilection toward evil have on Drache being super evil?

Do we need angel blooded to achieve some sort of society that is the opposite of Drache? How much would it help?

>>35915627

I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few of these points. Thank you for bringing them up.

People that do evil things do pick up an evil alignment, but then the evil that literally clings to them pushes them towards doing more evil, in a self-reinforcing cycle.

Angelblooded (and demonblooded) tend towards evil because they are born part good (and part evil respectively), their upbringing could reinforce this, or try to counter this, but they show a strong inclination towards a particular alignment.

They won't always make a good society (or an evil one), but they will push it in that direction by their actions and choices.

A good (or evil) society won't force anyone to be good (or evil) but it will push them in that direction.

Please don't think I'm doing this to be argumentative, I just wanted to clarify some things

I agree that nothing is sure, or completely effective, but (supernatural) heritage and surroundings do have a very large impact on a on persons alignment and actions.

>>35915847
That's pretty much exactly what he's saying.

>>35915861
Don't answer this guy anymore, Pally.
He's just going to keep going on and on about his eugenics bullshit and drag the whole thread down.

>>35915870
well I screwed that up

Angelblooded towards good, demonblooded towards evil.

>>35915460
>I am aware that this is not to everyone’s taste, it can be skipped if people want.
Kind of late reply because I was away, but I love this. This is far more fun to me than those all the threads about the epic quest and having to protect the realm and such. It feels more personal, like the first few threads of this quest.

It’s time to meet with your double. A quick trip to Nicolvren tells you were to find the four camps she has taken over.

You could simply observe the camps until you see her flying by and join her in the air.

You could visit the camps in person, but if it went bad you would be heavily outnumbered.

You could go in disguise.

You could scry on her, but she might sense it and could get offended.

Or you could contact her another way.

You could go alone, or take people with you.

Approach

>Watch camps, talk in air
>Visit camps openly
>Sneak into camps
>Scry
>Other (what?)

Party (max 3 allies)
>Alone
>With allies (who?)

>>35915870
That doesn't really contradict any point made, unless you are saying that they actually are evil by default, and then become good.
Otherwise the point stands, that they aren't evil until they do something evil.

>>35915916
>Other (she is our paladin, contact her though that connection)

>>35915916
>Visit camps openly
>Alone

At this point we are on speaking terms

>>35915916
>>35915928
would that be like prayer?

>>35915917
>they aren't evil until they do something evil.

I agree, what I'm saying is demon-blooded are more likely to take evil actions.

Selfish actions, actions that benefit them at anothers expense, hurting others will *feel* right to a demon-blooded, or at least, won't feel as wrong.

Hence the natural inclination towards evil.

>>35915916
>Other Try contacting her as your paladin
>Alone

>>35915916
>Visit camps openly
>Alone

>>35915928
Let's not spring it on her that suddenly.

>>35915951
>are more likely to take evil actions
No one, or at least I, don't disagree with that. The point was that we can't know if they give in to that, until they do. And its wrong to assume of each that they will.
O personally, consider it more helpful to encourage them to realise they have a choice between good and evil. And find that transforming them, would give the impression that they don't, or that we think they don't, because otherwise there is no point to the transformation.

>>35915916
>Visit camps openly
>Alone

>>35915916
>Other Try contacting her as your paladin
I'll back any that aren't
>Visit camps openly
We don't want to let her army know about us but Alone is great.

>>35916076
>We don't want to let her army know about us
Oh really? And why would that be?

>>35915847
In a way you are actually correct in that feeling. angel blooded mortal are literally better at being inherently good. Which is a good thing and is better than being not good. Being an agent of good and in fact a God who is good, it makes sense to create as much good as possible.
>>35915880
I'm not really sure what the problem is. I don't want to kill anyone or keep anyone from breeding. I won't disagree that this is essentially a eugenicist stance, but the goal is to increase the overall Good.

>Create evil-managment groups.
>They are similar to anger managment courses/groups and anti-addiction groups.
>Make the voluntary
>Anyone who takes part gets badges that declare that they are in the course.
>Depending on how this goes, they could also get some certificate that they can show potential employers. This would declare that they are officially good people.

>>35915880
>>35916090

Also I just want to say.

In real life thats simply not possible and absolutely retarded to attempt. I would agree with attempting to create more genetically perfect beings in real life. But thats something that is incredibly complex and rife with racial bias and flagrant racism which is deplorable in my opinion.

In real life I just want everyone and everyones children to be able to be born with the ability to be smarter, stronger, healthier than they otherwise could be. I don't give a damn about skin color or cranial shape or any of that bullshit and going about eugenics by sterilizing or killing people is just asinine.

>>35915994
>O personally, consider it more helpful to encourage them to realise they have a choice between good and evil. And find that transforming them, would give the impression that they don't, or that we think they don't, because otherwise there is no point to the transformation.

I see no problem with encouraging them to make the right choices, as well as reinforcing the idea that it is their choices, and not their inborn natures, that are most important.

I just saw several statements in your post that made me think I had not been clear in explaining how good/evil works in the setting, and wanted to clear it up.

man, I love the people in this thread. Even if their is a difference in opinion they don't start a shit storm. Everyone here is Aces all the way.

>>35916099
HAHA I was actually thinking about something like that. how weird is that!

>>35916090
>it makes sense to create as much good as possible
No one argues that. Its the methods that are the issue.

> and going about eugenics by sterilizing or killing people is just asinine
That largely depends on a number of issues. The argument can be made that it is better to not let someone be concieved whose live would be of diminished quality due to genetic illnesses. How you actually go about achieving that, without diminishing the quality of live of already existing people though, thats the real problem.

hey, would sireyi let her double near the children? I mean I'm pretty sure Sophia and Jal wouldn't so it's probably a moot point anyway but I'm still curious.

I'm seeing a tie between trying to contact her as your paladin and visiting camps openly.

Alone in both cases.

So I'll go with contacting her magically first, and if that doesn't work, visiting in person. Writing.

>>35916166
Her double has been near her children more than once. She reads them bedtime stories from time to time.
I'm sure once we have cleared the air between the two, more visitations will be possible. They are her children too, in pretty much all meaningful senses.

Please roll me willpower 1d20+11

>>35916174
I'm willing to change my vote to visiting her directly, since the argument against contacting her was to not spook her with it, which wouldn't be fulfilled now.

Rolled 10 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>35916186

Rolled 10 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>35916089
1. It might mess up what she's planing.
2. We can keep it as our trump card
3. If (BIG if I know) she's going to give us worshipers it might be good not to let them meet us too much.

Rolled 2 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>35916186
OH big question here! how do you pronouce Sireyi? I'm been saying it like Siri.

>>35916099
Unless you don't need to be in this reeducation program and get discriminated against for not participating.

>>35915916

>Visit openly

we didn't part on bad terms, and we don't want to leave sour impression upon reunion.

>Alone

>>35916205
>1
I'm not sure how it would do that.

>2
Not visiting her army is a trump card?

>3
I was actually thinking about a twin goddesses kind of strategy, allowing us to receive worship while she still gets the religion aspect to control them with.

>>35916225
They already get discriminated against. Mid-term to Long-term discrimination against those not participating might be considered an issue. Currently, the alternative is that everyone is discriminated against.

I won't claim it is perfect, but I think it would improve the current condition and it would be open for change in the future, to deal with future problems.

>>35916162
>No one argues that. Its the methods that are the issue.
Well I'm not really sure what the issue is with turning willing demon bloods into angel bloods or creating angelic children. None of those hurt people so I'm not really sure what the issue with any of the methods I've mentioned are.

>>35916267
>creating angelic children
I wouldn't hold your breath on that ever coming up again.

>>35916267
>with turning willing demon bloods into angel bloods
I'm fairly sure I mentioned the option for those that really want to stop being demonblooded to enter our service and become transformed?
Its only then a issue if thats the only option presented to deal with the problems they might have.

And I saw no one have a problem with more angelic children being made, if our host mingles with the mortals, thats fine by me.
Unless you refer to Sireyi giving strangers her children so they can have angelblooded, in which case I'm going to save the unkind words I have about that idea.

>>35916284
Oh I expect it will.

>>35916300
I really do not understand this point of view you have.

>>35916267
>turning willing demon bloods
Can't be sure they'll use their powers responsibly, don't want to force them into a "be discriminated against or serve me" choice, would vastly prefer that we set up a sustainable and, more importantly, replicable system for redeeming and amalgamating demon-blood that doesn't rely on divine intervention.

>creating angelic children
I feel like it would be out-of-character for Sireyi to do so, we promised 3/3 waifus children and I'd prefer that it be fulfilled first, lots of other reason I don't need to reiterate.

>>35916328
Let's not turn this blessing into a threesome.

>>35916328
>Oh I expect it will.
OP, is he saying this because you changed your mind about something and I'm unaware or do you mind me proving him wrong?

>>35916360
I was not aware Pally had explicitly ruled it out coming up again?
I mean, I would be perfectly happy with that. But I fear it will come up again.

>>35916328
>>35916360
>>35916376
I honestly see no point in it coming up again, unless Pally really wants samefag-off again.

>>35916340
>Can't be sure they'll use their powers responsibly
Just to point out.... They do have demonic powers. Soooo not really sure how them instead having angelic ones changes anything.


>>35916360
Eh, who knows. I think it will but honestly it doesn't really matter. Disappointing though it may be.

>>35916401
Because using angelic powers irresponsible gives angelic powers a bad name. We want people to think they can trust in angels or angelic people to be good and wholesome, every case of that not being so, harms our agenda.

>>35916401
It would turn the people from thinking
>those guys are dicks because they are demons
to
>holy shit those angels are just as bad as the demons

So this is going to be like prayer, except...in reverse?

You find a quiet place in your keep, sit down, and try to mentally reach out to your sister. After several false starts you think you’ve got her.

“Sireyi” you say “Sireyi” again.

“Velya?” comes back the confused reply

“No it’s me Sireyi” you say

There’s a pause followed by “Interesting spell, what do *you* want?” and a feeling of hostility.

“I wanted to check in with you” you say “See how you were doing”

“I’m fine” she says “Was that all?” again that feeling of hostility

>This isn’t a spell (tell her the truth)
>About your army
>About you
>About other Sofia
>Other topic (what?)
>Ok fine (end contact)

>>35916376
I have no plans to bring it up again aside from Isla, Jal, and Sofia talking about children.

No matter my personal tastes, the players appear to be majority against it, which as far as I am concerned closes the matter.

>>35916253
1
It adds something she might need to work round and we don't know IC what she's doing.
2
Showing up and using divine power to out magic her and taking her army is a trump card and it will work better if it's a"out of the blue."
3
Let her make the call or she'll resent us for it.
I see too many ways not letting them know could help us to risk it when we can do it latter.

>>35916415
>I would like to meet with you, there are several things we need to talk about. And its better we do so face to face.

>>35916415
>I have no plans to bring it up again
Ah, okay then.

>>35916414
>>35916413
...Wait. I thought you guys didn't want discrimination? Thats a really stupid and selfish reason to not give people a blessing that essentially makes them more likely to do good things.

>>35916415
>I would like to meet with you, there are several things we need to talk about. And its better we do so face to face.

sounds good to me

>>35916415
>This isn’t a spell (tell her the truth)
>About your army
>About you
>About other Sofia
>Other topic (the children)

>>35916415
>We need to talk and I recommend we do it face to face.
then
>About your army
>About you

>>35916440
>Thats a really stupid and selfish reason
No, its a sensible reason, we need to take the larger social impact into account, beyond the individual. We have a responisbility to socieity at large.
And if they want to do good things, they can do that perfectly fine without being angelblooded. The transformation would only help those that have trouble choosing good on their own.

>>35916415
>We need to talk and I recommend we do it face to face.
>About your army
>About you
>About other Sofia
>Other topic (children, threat posed to them by Hanabanana or whatever his name was)

>>35916440
I'm worried more that transformed demon-blood who were discriminated against might get the idea that they're 'better' than regular mortals now and start acting like entitled jerks.

>>35916415
>I have no plans to bring it up again.
Honestly I feel like that fails to address that feelings and in character feelings can change but whatever I guess. I will simply drop the topic then.

>>35916519
>might get the idea that they're 'better' than regular mortals
There is that too. The idea that angelblooded are more "good" than regular mortals, will give some people the idea that what they do is good because they are a angelblooded now and wouldn't do anything evil.

>>35916492

I'd say that granting some angelic powers to those who are already good could be doable.
I'm extremely loathe to use angelic transformation as indoctrination tool though.
You don't get gods meddling in mortal affairs to the industrial extent we are sometimes contemplating. Hell, having actual bona fide angels walking and patrolling our barony is kinda spectacular.

>>35916535
I see no issue with allowing those that want to transform, to do so. As long as they don't do it because they think it makes them better in some way.
I am just loathe to hand out transformations to anyone, without supervising that individual afterwards. Regardless of demonblooded or vanilla mortal, we already have a precedent for that with our recruits from Drache.

“I have something to talk to you about” you say “And it’s better done face-to-face.”

There’s a pause and she responds “fine, let’s meet at Shaljursts lair, neutral territory right? But tomorrow, I’m busy right now.”

>Shaljursts lair, dawn tomorrow
>I can visit you at a camp
>Come visit the castle
>Other

Company?
>Alone
>Allies (who? max 3)

>>35916609
>I can visit you at a camp
also
>Shaljursts lair, dawn tomorrow

>Alone

>>35916609
>Shaljursts lair, dawn tomorrow
>Alone

>>35916609
>Shaljursts lair, dawn tomorrow
>Alone
>You are free to visit the castle too, if you like

>>35916609
>Shaljursts lair, dawn tomorrow, bring other sophia

Sophia and jal and the kids with there angel gaurdians

>>35916609
was Shaljursts the one who asked us to leave and then asked us to leave and might not want us to pop by uninvited?

>>35916649
Shaljurst is the one who was killed and turned into a zombie, and then a charred corpse.

>>35916609

>Very well, see you tomorrow. At noon, maybe?

>Alone, although tell at least our close ones where we'll be.

>>35916649
the red dragon that we killing I think

>>35916665
>>35916671
Thanks.
>>35916609
>Shaljursts lair, dawn tomorrow
>Alone

You tell those close to you where you’re going to be, and prepare to meet your double first thing tomorrow.

Most of your allies are ok with your decision, but Isla really wanted to go for some reason. You tried to explain things to her but she storms off in tears. You’ll need to speak to her later about...whatever that was.

At dawn you teleport to the vicinity of Shaljursts lair and fly towards the entrance, their you see...her, as well as what looks like Sofia, wearing some sort of black leather and scale armour you’d expect to see on an orc warchief, she has a longsword belted to her hip and her eyes seem...hard, the sort of look you’ve only seen Sofia wear in a fight.

Your double looks...like you, although she’s wearing armour like Sofia’s, though more ornate. The gold crown looks a little overdone though.

“Well” she asks “we’re here, what do you want?” She has her arms folded over her chest.

>Your powers (explain)
>Talk about her
>Talk about other Sofia
>Talk about Mili and Vivi
>Talk about her plans
>Other topic (what?)

>>35916774
>Your powers (explain)
>Talk about her
>Talk about Mili and Vivi

>>35916774
>Talk about Mili and Vivi
>Talk about her
>Talk about other Sofia
>Talk about her plans
then
>Your powers (explain)

>>35916774
>Your powers (explain)
>Talk about her
>Talk about other Sofia
>Talk about Mili and Vivi
>Talk about her plans

>>35916774

>I see you've been busy. How are you doing?

>About your powers...(explain)

>Talk about kids

>Have you thought about growing a beard?
(don't ask that last one.)

>>35916774
>Your powers (the reason you though I was Velya)
>Talk about her plans and will a horde help against the Lords of Life? Should the kingdom be ready to do the same?
>Talk about other Sofia and Mili and Vivi

Oh we should ask her is she would like to talk to the king, I'm sure he should know about the lords of life and her conquering the orc tribes.

>>35916894
Forgot to add
>So I'm going into hell to rescue mother (not my/our just say mother)

“You look good” you say “both of you.”

You double just raises an eyebrow at you.

“So what’s with the crown?” you ask

“You’re looking at the Empress of the Tribal Lands” says your double.

Oh.

“Blue Empress” says Sofia. Your double gives her a long-suffering look “no” she says.

“You said Empress wasn’t sufficient” remarks Sofia “you wanted something more and you said maybe we should preface it with my favourite colour.”

“That was before I found out your favourite colour wasn’t red!” says your double, turning to face Sofia.

“If you wanted to call yourself the Red Empress” says Sofia “You should have called yourself the Red Empress, as it is, Your Imperial Bluosity, you didn’t.”

They’re face to face now, barely inches apart, your duplicate towering over the smaller Sofia, but neither backing down. They look like they’re going to fight, or maybe kiss..?

“Ah” you say “What are your plans exactly?” they both start as if they’ve forgotten you were there.

“I’m going to unite the Tribal Lands” says your double, turning towards you again as Sofia stares at her back, seeing you watching she mouths *blue*. “I’ll make the orcs and beastmen stop fighting the dwarves, and then I’ll have two armies to fight against the Lord of Life.”

“Will an army make any difference?” you ask “I mean-”

She interrupts “Of course it’s going to make a difference! That thing is going to bring an army of undead with it! It could simply crush Dornmer at a distance - to have any hope of beating it we need to draw it out!”

“Besides” she adds with contempt “What’s your army up to now? Two-thousand? I’m going to have hundreds of thousands – and then who will have saved Dornmer?”

Ah, seems she’s still seeing this as a competition.

“And you Sofia?” you ask “What are your plans?”

“I’m training the army” she says “You would not believe the rabble the orcs fight in and she” she points a thumb at your duplicate “won’t even give them-”

Your double shoots a sharp look at Sofia, and she pauses and says instead “Yes, we need an army.” The two of them go back to giving you hard looks.

“Mili and Vivi” you say, wondering if a softer topic will work “Are just starting their letters, Mili got into a fight with another child the other day over a ball, but emerged the winner.”

Sofia leans forward slightly and your double tenses up.

“And Vivi” you say “Is so smart, he’s reading with kids two years older than him, you won’t believe how fast the two of them are coming alon-”

“Enough!” barks your double, as you see tears start to form in Sofia’s eyes “What did you come here to talk about?”

“Your powers” you say “You still have paladin abilities”

“Yes” she asks “So what?”

“You thought I was Velya when I contacted you” you say “Because your powers don’t come from her, or the Lord of Life, they come from me, you are my paladin.”

“No...” says Sofia, shocked.

Your double simply doesn’t react for several seconds and then she screams and thrusts both hands at you with lightning dancing around them. A lightning bolt shoots towards you.

>Stand there and take it
>Dodge
>Other

>>35917292
>Stand there and take it

>>35917292

Stand and take it like a man. Er, Angel. Er, Saint.

>>35917292
>Stand there and take it
Absorb it!

>>35917292
>deflect it like zuko's uncle from avatar
I thought that Mili and vili option was more of a hey would you guys like to come to the castle at some point and meet the kids?

>>35917292
>Stand there and take it
I forget. Are we immune to lightning?

>>35917377
Yes.

>>35917377

Unless she's dumping divine power into it. Not sure if she can do that, though.

>>35917292
>Stand there and take it

We kind of expected this.

>>35917292
>Stand there and take it

>>35917361
you were working up to that, but she interrupted.

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>>35917292
And she went full fucking Palpatine. I love you Dark Sireyi. Shame its ineffective.

>>35917422
Then we should still make the offer afterwards. At least Sofia will definitly listen.

>>35917450
Actually, shouldn't we, you know, talk with the children's parents about this first?

>>35917450
I can see us now, standing there with smoke rising off of our head after her screaming lightning attack.

"If you would like to see the kids, I could talk to the others..."

>>35917473
yeah, you're right. We should talk to Sophie and Jal about this first. especially because of how scared Sophie was when she found out.

tfw she rolls 3 20's and does max damage, one shotting us.

>>35917473
I meant the offer to sit down together with jal and Sofia and talk about this.
And they are the parents too.

You stand there as lightning strikes you full force, dancing around you harmlessly.

“I can see that you’re upset” you say “But I wanted to let you know this a soon as I found out to prevent any-”

You’re immune to lightning, but the punch knocks you reeling, pain flaring along your jaw before your healing abilities kick in.

She is screaming incoherently and winding up for another punch.

Sofia is running towards the two of you, to help or to separate you, you don’t know.

>Just keep dodging, she’ll calm down
>Restrain her physically
>Restrain her magically (what spell?)
>Other (what?)

>>35917544
>Restrain her physically
>Bear hug

>>35917544
>Just keep dodging, she’ll calm down

>>35917544
>Hug her tight.

>>35917544
>take the punches, best get it out of her system now.

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>>35917544
...Anyone thinking that while shes up close and engaged with us Redeeming Touch might be a good idea. Hug her to goodness and then give her all the hungs?

>>35917579
We still don't know what redeeming touch does to her that she is so scared of. I'm not going to risk that, especially since there is no real necessity for it. She is already on the path of redemption all on her own.

>>35917579
No, it's a stupid idea. There's absolutely no reason for it and it just introduces unknowns.

>>35917579
>Redeeming Touch might be a good idea
what for? she is already redeeming herself without it. It serves no purpose now.

>>35917579
ooc we know something will happen to her if we try that. that being said I would love to because I want to see what will happen.

In character, I don't see a reason for why Sireyi would want to use Redeeming touch on her.

I personally think it'll be her reliving what all her dominating touch victims went through.

Alright, it's a fair suggestion. Whilst general response vote is still ongoing.

Redeeming Touch?

Y/N

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>>35917627
>>35917619
>>35917610
>>35917600
Okay okay okay

>>35917659
N

>>35917659
No we know she fears it for some reason it could kill her

>>35917659
>N

>>35917659
As much as I want to vote yes, I don't think there is a reason to use it here. Infact I think that it would just make things worst between us.
>N

>>35917659
I see no reason to vote yes considering.

>N

>>35917659
>N
Regardless of how it goes, it wuld just make her even angrier at us. And I can't think of any possible benefit it could bring.

>>35917659
No that is bad and we should feel bad if we do it.

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>>35917660
Huh. I just stumbled across this picture. Weird coincidence.

>>35917766
The image gods favor you anon.

ok, roll 1d20+7 strength to hold on to her.

[Insert Rodeo reference here]

Rolled 13 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>35917864

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Rolled 7 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>35917864

Rolled 2 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>35917864

>>35917881
that is my second 2. I think I should stop rolling....
captha is 2nd thirecc

>So, would it solve the name thing if you took a blue gem? The Sapphire Empress perhaps?

Rolled 4 + 7 (1d20 + 7)

>>35917864
You can't get off this wild ride.

>>35917966
go home mr. bones, unless you will to be TURNED!!!!

You grab her in a hug and hold on, pinning her arms to her sides as she tries to throw you off, and when that doesn’t work, tries to punch you in the ribs to make you let go.

Your strength and toughness are almost equal though, so her punches only bruise you and after several minutes she’s limp in your arms, sobbing as you hold her up.

“There there” you say, hugging her tightly “I know you’re strong enough to get through this.”

It’s at that point you notice Sofia standing next to you with her sword drawn “Thanks” she says “but hurt her and you’ll regret it.”

“Understood” you say with a nod, noting her gaze isn’t just hard, it’s cold and pitiless, seems she truly cares for your double, you wonder if either of them know it, or if they’d both believe their feelings were just habits taken from others?

“Ok, I’m fine” croaks your double after some time, she pushes away from you and you let her go, trying not to wince, she might have cracked something.

“Well” she says, looking away from you “so what’s the code?”

“The code?” you ask

“The Paladins Code” she asks “Can’t break it if I don’t know what it is.”

“Why break it?” you ask, perplexed

Now she looks at you “So I’m not reliant on you, dependent on you, I’m not you, I’m me! I’m-I’m not just some part of you, that you can order around, I’m my own person, I won’t rely on you! WHAT’S THE DAMN CODE?” She’s creaming at you at the end of that little speech.

>There’s no code, but I’ll try to remove your powers
>Try to convince her to keep her powers
>You need your powers, I won’t remove them
>Other

>>35918061
>Try to convince her to keep her powers
>You need your powers, I won’t remove them

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>>35918061
>She’s creaming at you at the end
Oh Pally. You CAD!

>>35918061

>There's no code, and I can take the powers from you, but do you really want to?
>You're not 'just some' part of me, just like I'm not 'just some' part of Velya

>>35918061
>There is no code. And if you really want to, I can remove your powers, but...I won't consider it until you've calmed down and had some time to think about it. It's too important to do in the heat of the moment.

>>35918110
Typo

Or freudian slip?

you decide

>>35918061
>You need your powers, I won’t remove them
>Didn't you tell me that I would need to do things I don't like to have a chance to defeat th Lords of Life? How is this different?
>More importantly, I need you to be as strong as possible to have a chance in this fight Neither of us can afford turning away the other, it would only diminish us both
>You are not dependant on me, I consider Velyas trust in me a great blessing, but it was always only part of me, not who I was.

>>35918061
>"I'll share my power with you and there is nothing you can do to stop me!" *dastardly laugh*

>>35918061
>Of course you're real.
>Try to convince her to keep her powers
if that doesn't work
>There’s no code, but I’ll try to remove your powers

>>35918147
Typo

>>35918061
>Try to convince her to keep her powers
"What's wrong with relying on others? I'd be dead several times over if not for my friends."
Honestly I'm surprised she never went to Drache. She'd be a far better "Demon Slayer" than we'd be.

>>35918061
>Hold on a moment, of course you're not me. What makes you think that? Since you came to be you've done and experienced so much. We have a lot in common, of course, but even if you were me when you were made, you most certainly aren't anymore
>Try to convince her to keep her powers
>You need your powers, I won’t remove them

Could Velya 'take over' as the Patron of this paladin?

>>35918061
>Kiss her
If we have sex with our double, is it masturbating?

>>35918061
>>35918204
>>Hold on a moment, of course you're not me. What makes you think that? Since you came to be you've done and experienced so much. We have a lot in common, of course, but even if you were me when you were made, you most certainly aren't anymore
Seconding this

>>35918061
>You need your powers, I won’t remove them and didn't you tell me that I would need to do things I don't like to have a chance to defeat the Lords of Life? How is this different?
>Anyway you're not 'just some' part of me, just like I'm not 'just some' part of Velya
>and you have an army of orcs, you have no busyness telling me I can't use tools I don't get on with so swallow your pride and get the job done.
Stop when it works, the last one is to get her thinking about this as her not owing you for the power.

>All these write-ins to cherry-pick from

I feel like a fat guy at a buffet.

Anyway, roll fellowship 1d20+21 to convince her

Use Angels Voice?

Y/N

Rolled 2 + 21 (1d20 + 21)

>>35918343
1d20+21
No we don't need to

Rolled 5 + 21 (1d20 + 21)

>>35918343
n

Rolled 19 + 21 (1d20 + 21)

>>35918343

Rolled 15 + 21 (1d20 + 21)

>>35918343
Nay

Rolled 12 + 21 (1d20 + 21)

>>35918343
>N
If it was ever a terrible idea, then now