Inwardly you sigh, you could just let the laws parliament have written deal with him, but Kaela is correct, unless you intervene, he’ll die.

“How about the Magisters?” you ask Kaela, the three of you heading for your office “have they given us anything?”

“So far they’ve denied all knowledge of Magister Lorden being anything other than another Magister” says Kaela “We’ve just been asking questions so far, as they are still our guests, but so far, I think they’re telling the truth.”

“Or they could simply be lying” says Captain Ialis “mind-reading would-”

“Be a hostile act and also likely to fail against a powerful wizard” counters Kaela “their faces are not hard to read though, our people will gain much better results by just talking to them and listening I think.”

How will you handle the Magisters?
>No more questions, I don’t think they were involved
>Polite questioning, as Kaela suggests
>Be forceful, as Ialis suggests
>I’ll question them personally
>Other (what?)

And what will Sireyi be doing? (if not questioning the Magisters personally)
>Meet delegation (which?)
>Check up on Isla and Jal
>Visit Sofia
>Spend time in Parliament, politicking
>Talk to priests and wizards about how to defeat the Killing Frost
>Talk to priests and wizards about how to defeat the Lord of Life
>Other (what?)

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>>39646825
>Polite questioning, as Kaela suggests
>Check up on Isla and Jal

>>39646825
"We'll question him until he breaks. Start out soft, get harder if necessary. Once we're sure he knows nothing more, then we'll kill him."
>Check up on Isla and Jal
>Check in on little Mili, see how she's doing in her classes

>>39646825
>>Polite questioning, as Kaela suggests
Does not hurt to ask and I am sure these creatures could be a potential threat to both them and us.

>Talk to priests and wizards about how to defeat the Killing Frost

>>39646825
>Polite questioning, as Kaela suggests
>Visit Sofia

>>39646825
>>39646847
Supporting!

>>39646825
>Polite questioning
>Make sure that fucker doesn't get away until he's tried and disposed of, one way or another.

I don't know if his culture is prone to hold personal grudge, but if he does and we let him go, well... he already knows we care about lives of our subjects.

>>39646825
>Profile questioning
"They're prepared against mental influences. We're in our rights to question them, but not to break them."

>>39646924
Its generally polite to add to your old vote instead of making a second one, if you want to add something.

polite questioning plus visit Isla and Jal, writing

So, why does Sireyi fear the dick?

>>39647034
How do Sireyis succubus priests interact with spells like Blasphemy/Holy Word/Unholy Aura etc. do they count as evil, due to being demons?

“Just talk to them for now” you say to Kaela and Ialis, “making enemies of the Magisters wouldn’t be wise.”

“Will you be taking part in the questioning you Majesty?” asks Kaela.

You shake your head “no, I’m going to help Isla with her project, and try to keep Jal out of trouble.”

A smile plays around Kaela’s lips “Truly a task requiring the direct intervention of a Goddess.”

“You have no idea” you answer dryly, as Ialis adds “I’ll assemble the guard.”
---
Soon you and your guards are descending upon a rocky outcrop that overlooks a long valley.

You see Isla down below, along with succubi filling the roles of scribes and assistants.

“It’s advanced past the southern ridge” Isla is talking to one of her scribes “It’s growing faster than expected, what could have sped it up?”

As she tries to answer Isla waves her off “never mind, doesn’t matter, I guess we’ll just have to move up her timetable, now what about the ferns, how is the rate of transmutation occurring? Three times the pace of last month? That’s troubling.”

You land, but Isla ignores you, looking over arcane diagrams and continuing to fire questions at her staff.

Jal sidles up to you “Yeah she gets like that luv, what brings you ‘ere?”

“Just checking up on the both of you” you say “How’s it going?”

“Dunno” says Jal “All too mystical for me” she nods to the valley below “Big tangle o’mystic stuff down there ‘as been for centuries, local orc tribes call it *place where nothing makes any sense* and young orcs usedta come ‘ere to receive visions an’ something magic powers”.

You look at the valley below, there’s a thick forest covering most of it, but the trees are like nothing you’ve seen before, as you want leaves, branches, everything changes shape, sometimes appearing normal, sometimes simply alien: Faces and hands appear on trees then disappear again.

“Don’t even get me started on the animals” says Jal “I caught a rabbit that came outta there for lunch one day, never again.”

“And its...growing?” you ask.

Jal nods to Isla “According to the map-makers yeah” she says “dunno why, an’ Isla has tried a few things ta stop it, but nuffink working yet.”

Jal hugs herself, wearing a thick and warm travellers outfit, she still looks cold, and miserable.

You put your finger on something that’s been bothering you since you came: everywhere has at least a light covering of snow, but in the valley below, you can’t see any, indeed you can feel warmth radiating off it.

Isla finally notices you “Sireyi” she says, still checking her charts “How’d things go with the Magisters?”

Your response?

Magisters
>Tell Isla everything about the Magisters
>Give her the short version about the Magisters
>Other (what?)

Isla’s work
>Give me the quick version
>Tell me all the details
>Other (what?)

>>39647169
>do they count as evil, due to being demons?

Currently, yes they do

>>39647194
>Tell Isla everything about the Magisters
>Tell me all the details
Sireyi should be able to contain this better than anyone, with angelic language

>>39647194
>Tell Isla everything about the Magisters
>Tell me all the details

>>39647194
>Give her the short version about the Magisters
>Tell me all the details

>>39647194
>Tell Isla everything about the Magisters
>Tell me all the details

>>39647200
Whats with succubi that are aligment Good.
They still register as evil for the purpose of some spells, are they affected by both Blasphemy/Holy Word or only Holy Word?

>>39647194
>Tell Isla everything about the Magisters
>Tell me all the details
Sorry pally, guess you'll be writing a lot next update too.

>>39647224
They count as good and evil, meaning some spells interact with them in strange ways

>>39647194
Magisters
>Give her the short version to begin with, elaborate as necessary though.
Isla
>Tell me as much details as you think I'll be able to handle, I'll stop you if there's too many

>>39647121
She does not. Anons do. And to be fair there were no valid candidates that would strike me as a good match, maybe except for the orc at the start.

>>39647194
>Give her the short version about the Magisters
>Tell me all the details
In English, please.

>>39647242
What about the half-demon? He seemed like decent husbando material, right up until anons friendzoned him.

>>39647242
>Anons do.
How about you speak for yourself?

>>39647256
You have some pretty awful taste, anon.

>>39647256
>right up until anons friendzoned him
He was never anywhere near outside the friendzone.

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>>39647121
Now THIS is pod-baiting.

>>39647256
>What about the half-demon? He seemed like decent husbando material
>can't even remember his name
Do you see whats wrong here?

ok, this update might take a while, please wait patiently

>>39647366
No problem.

>>39647256
Gendric was nice, but he didn't seemed particularly interested romantically. And I don't think Sireyi is the one that would go out of her way to seduce people. Matthias was closer, but Jianxi took care of that one.
I think the goody two-shoes white knight we were offered during party creation would have had a chance, maybe.

>>39647366
Don't worry, it seems we have something to amuse ourselves with going.

“Not as expected” you say, spending a long time explaining what happened. By the end of it Isla is intrigued enough to put down her charts on the table.

“A new interplanar race?” she asks excitedly “what’s their society like? Do they all have these *psychic powers*? You said their own god turned on them – when did that happen?”

“Slow down” you say to Isla as Jal starts laughing “I don’t really know the answers to most of that – even looking inside his head most of what I saw was chaotic and confusing.”

“Yes you said” says Isla, musing “most spells that protect against mind reading block any information being read, or provide false information, but yes, as a secondary defence providing nonsense or useless information would make sense. Sireyi” she returns from her musings and focuses on you “I could learn so much from him, I must put some time aside once we’ve dealt with this to talk to him.”

That could be difficult, given that he could end up being executed soon, plus you don’t want to risk him escaping and hurting Isla. A discussion for a later time though.

“So what’s been happening here?” you ask Isla, distracting her from the topic.

“Oh so much!” says Isla, pulling you over to the charts on the table “The affected area has grown by 13% since we started three months ago, at this rate in twenty years it could cover the entire Tribal Lands, unless its growth rate isn’t exponential, it might be an external factor rather than an intrinsic one, or perhaps its growth could be seasonal or-”

“Isla” says Jal in a resigned voice “Tell ‘er tha good stuff.”

“Oh right!” says Isla, pulling you over to a row of ferns in plant pots “What do you think?”

“Er” you say, botany isn’t really your thing “They seem to get bigger going along the row?”

“Yes!” says Isla happily “I knew you’d get it.”

To your sight the ferns all seem to have some sort of magic within them, and going down the row they do seem to get bigger, and they all seem to look like ordinary ferns, no mutations or anything.

“How?” you ask

“We put ferns within the area affected by the wild magic” says Isla “some deeper than others, to test the strength of its affects. Mostly the ferns start to grow wild, or change into new forms, but these ones we can enlarging spells on, let the spells wear off and then put them in the affected area. Those deeper in grew more, and that’s it – just grew!”

“Uh, ok” you’re not entirely sure where she’s going with this, though wild magic usually causes all sorts of complications, some way of shielding against that would be useful.

“We can use this area for all sorts of things!” says Isla “creating magical items, longer-lasting spells, perhaps even granting people magical abilities, all we need to do is provide an existing magical pattern and the power in this place follows the existing pathways.”

“It sounds like it’s a little early for that” you say “I mean bigger plants is one thing, but using it on people is another.”

“All in good time” says Isla, waving off your concerns “right now we need to stop it from spreading, and safety is a concern, so-”

“Yeah” interrupts Jal “Big concern”

“Not that big” says Isla, rolling her eyes at Jal

“Getting worse” says Jal “The last bug that came outta there was three feet long.”

“Ok” concedes Isla “The animals and plants in there can sometimes be a little difficult, but so far there’ve only been minor injuries.”

“So far” echoes Jal.

“So what *are* you trying to do with this?” you ask Isla “contain it? Get rid of it? Control it?”

“Use it” says Isla “It’s like a vast wellspring of magical power but uncontrolled, unshaped and chaotic, and one thing that interests me” she shuffles her papers until she finds the piece she wants “here”. You read the paper “This seems to be a list of orc names and dates” you say “and, no, that can’t be right...”

“It is” says Isla, grinning. The orc names all have various things listed next to them like *gained magical strength and toughness*, *gained speed*, *gained power over the elements*.

“For thousands of years” explains Isla “the local tribes sent young warriors here – some died, those that didn’t sometimes gained magical powers.”

“And many were just crazy, or looked horrible” chips in Jal.

“Which is why we’ll control it” says Isla “Sireyi think of it – a way to grant people sorcery, trusted people of course – we could transform this entire nation. We could advance magical knowledge so much, and even Orlath wouldn’t be stupid enough to attack us.”

You feel a little twinge of guilt, you have spoken to Isla about your concerns about the other nations, seems she’s trying to help, in her own way.

This entire thing seems dangerous, and yet...you have been thinking about creating something other than just priests and paladins: healer and diplomats who can wield angelic powers in defence of your realm. Empowering people yourself would drain your own powers too much, perhaps this place can help you with that?

What do you do?
>It needs to be destroyed, not used
>Contain it and leave it alone
>Encourage Isla, but leave her to do it on her own
>Review Isla’s research so far and make suggestions
>Go into the valley and take a look (with whom?)
>Other (what?)

>>39647748
>Review Isla’s research so far and make suggestions
>Go into the valley and take a look (alone)

>>39647748
>Contain, control, exploit.

>>39647748
"...take a cube of alchemically pure iron, one foot a side, scrub it clean of any and all magical influence. Sterilize it. Then put it in there fairly deep."

>>39647748
>It needs to be destroyed, not used
This has bad idea written all over it. Giving people poweers on the risk of massive injury, insanity and the damage caused by this thing existing is not even remotly worth it, when we have far more reliable ways of granting powers, and our entire population already has magic.

>>39647748
>Review Isla’s research so far and make suggestions
Don't succubi already have sorcerous power by birth?

>>39647748
>>39647763
this
and
>And how do you think we would restrict access to this place, even assuming we can make its effect stable?

>>39647748
>>Encourage Isla, but leave her to do it on her own
It's dangerous but it has great potential and could work as both a shield to keep people from attacking us and as a tool to help our nation and people prosper.

>>39647839
>and could work as both a shield to keep people from attacking us
I would think it actually makes people attacking us more likely.
When people freak out about a nation of milions of demons next door, the last thing they want is a nation of milions of magically imbued demon.

>>39647792
Do you people hate science?
>>39647763
Voting for this.

>>39647865
>Do you people hate science?
As a scientist you need to have ethics too.
Doing something that endangers the lives of uncountable numbers of people for "science" is a shitty and retarded reason.

>>39647857
Well if you where a king would you want to attack an army a million demons strong where most of them had magical powers and had a goddess for a leader? Besides when the Lord of Life invades we will be better prepared this way.

>>39647857
Well, you wouldn't want to attack a nation that has nukes, would you?

extending voting time by 5 mins for discussion

>>39647884
>Well if you where a king would you want to attack an army a million demons strong where most of them had magical powers and had a goddess for a leader?
Apparently they do. Otherwise we wouldn't have a nation threatening to declare war on us, no would we?

>>39647887
Sireyi is a nuke, and Orlath is still threatening us with war, because the nuke analogy doesn't work with magic, because you can counter magic with magic, unlike nukes, which you can't counter with nukes.

>>39647804
They have an easier time gaining access to sorcery, tend to be more powerful mages than mortals and have a number of natural spell-like abilities, but they don't start off being able to buy sorcery levels and spells, IIRC.

>>39647792
Obviously, but that's not what Isla wants to do. She wants to find a way to safely harness and control it's power. Emphasis on safely.

>>39647897
>unlike nukes, which you can't counter with nukes.
Well, you can, but it doesn't really work out well for anybody.

>>39647887
Thats a terrible comparison, magic is way better than nukes. And we aren't the only ones with magic.

>>39647911
>Well, you can, but it doesn't really work out well for anybody.
No you can't. You can just also nuke the other guy, your nukes don't prevent the other guys nukes from hitting you, while you can use magic to prevent the other guys magic from hitting you, thats a enormously important distinction.

>>39647915
>magic is way better than nukes
I quit. I fucking quit.

>>39647929
He's riught though, the comparison fails on every level because magic is multi-purpose.
If this were only a method to get more destruction power, I wouldn't be voting for researching it, because we don't need more of that, we can create storms the size of small countries basically whenever.

ok, writing review notes + taking a look in person.

>>39647897
Well they want war mostly because their god is pushing for it and hating on us for that whole Divine Spark thing. If not for that there would not be a war against them, probably. I have not read Pally's notes. Point being it would be a waste to destroy it when we could use it for good and in preparation for the BBEG.

>>39647951
Why they want war isn't really relevant, the point is that no matter how powerful you are, there is always someone either more powerful or supid enough to think he is more powerful.
Or just plain stupid enough.

Please roll 1d20+9 for ideas

>>39647923
The only magical superweapon we actually have experience with can't be blocked by magical defenses.

Rolled 11 + 9 (1d20 + 9)

>>39647988

Rolled 10 + 9 (1d20 + 9)

>>39647988

Rolled 15 + 9 (1d20 + 9)

>>39647988

>>39647990
Thats baseless speculation on your part, there is no reason to assume the FFDoC can't be blocked with sufficiently powerful magic.

Not bad rolls, want to spend a point of Deific Power for a 20?

>Y/N

>>39647990
Kinda supports his point of magic being better, doesn't it?

>>39648009
>Y

>>39648009
>Y

Sure, why not.

>>39648008
Not to mention all the things you can do with magic to prevent it from hitting you that aren't outright shields, like teleporting it away.

>>39648009
>Y
Better make sure this works.

ok, spending a point it is

>>39648008
>Baseless speculation
>Has been stated several times that it can't be blocked by magic

>>39648009
>N

>>39648102
Except it hasn't.
It has not been blocked by any magic we have encountered sofar, that doesn't mean its impossible to block, nor is there any reason to assume so.
Completly ignoring >>39648052
>Not to mention all the things you can do with magic to prevent it from hitting you that aren't outright shields
Which is actually even far easier, and still underlines my point that magic allows you to prevent other dudes from hitting you with their magic, something nukes don't.

>>39648070
Do any of our priests have already reached Priest Spells 3? Or are already even capable of buying 4, if Sireyi had any?

>>39648268
>Do any of our priests have already reached Priest Spells 3?
Not yet, though some are on Priest Magic 2 already

“Lets see what you have so far” you say to Isla, and the two of you spend some time going through her notes, what she has observed and what conclusions she has drawn from it.

Sometime later you have a better understanding of this place, and its powers. It’s around 10 square miles in size and covers the whole of the valley floor.

“The plants that had spells on them did show mutations” you say to Isla “you recorded that.”

“But they took longer to do so” Isla defends her theory “initially they fallowed the residual arcane matrix depending upon the spells we used: plants increased in size when we used enlarge spells, glowed if we had used light spells and so on. The mutations only occurred after days of exposure.”

“Still” you say “using it to empower people is still a long way off.”

“It’s already been done” says Isla, indicating the list of orc warriors from the local tribes “many of them kept stable powers for years.”

“Many showed mutations” you point out “some progressing over time, according to the tales you’ve collected.”

“They were guided by superstition and folklore” argues Isla “and yet still they managed to keep their powers for years, yes some mutated or where changed, but not all. One of the fundamental principles of magic is shaping it with a disciplined and strong mind. If a bunch of unguided orcs” she doesn’t say *savages* but the implication is there “can do it, then a human or succubus that’s trained and prepared could use this place to gain power and prevent unwanted mutations or changes. I firmly believe that this place unshaped – that’s why its warping things, it literally has no direction or guidance. If we are able to mould and direct it properly then it could be amazingly useful.”

Isla’s obvious passion for this aside, you’ve been thinking along similar lines. If this place is similar to a gigantic Wellspring then if you push it towards a particular type of magic then it should become much more stable, and you have a few ideas how to do that...

[-1 Deific Power]

“I need to take a look up close before I decide” you say to Isla “If its getting dangerous, as Jal says, then I need to know, plus I need to check if its, I dunno, self-aware or anything.”

“You want me to come with?” asks Isla, a look of concern on her face as she puts a hand on your arm.

You shake your head “you’re the expert here, if I get trapped, I will need you to get me out.”
---
An hour after walking into the forest you’re wondering if that was the right choice. The place constantly shifts and changes around you. Occasionally plants and animals have attacked you, but nothing so far has been able to give you any trouble.

Using your ordinary senses as well as your magical ones, you’ve been searching this place on foot. You tried aerial observation but the canopy was too thick to see much through.

You can sense plenty of magical power here, and the deeper you go, the stranger things get. The five-headed squirrel with bird-claws and a vine instead of a tail was sort of cute. The giant trapper plant that tried to eat you, less so.

Still, you’ve seen nothing that indicates a controlling intelligence. However as you go deeper the attacks get more frequent and plants move to block you path, mostly you shrug of the attacks and get past the plants.

Then you sense a concentrated source of magic up ahead, ah this could be the source of this place.

As you move closer vines lash out and wrap around you. As you pull them off giant bugs swarm you, their mandibles gnawing harmlessly at your flesh. You can hear larger beasts headed your way.

It seems you are not wanted here. What do you do?
>Retreat, that’s enough for now
>Push on without fighting
>Use your powers to blast your way through
>Other (what?)

>>39648398
>Push on without fighting

>>39648122
>my point that magic allows you to prevent other dudes from hitting you with their magic, something nukes don't.
Except that we're around a decade, if that, from being able to prevent other dudes from hitting us with nukes. If anything, you're making the nuke-to-magic comparison more valid, since they're both very difficult but far from impossible to block.

>>39648398
>Push on without fighting
Or at least don't use magic to fend them off

>>39648398
>>Push on without fighting

>>39648415
>from being able to prevent other dudes from hitting us with nukes
But not with other nukes. Which was the point, magic is not comparable to nukes. Nukes are comparable to some things magic can do.

>>39648398
>Push on without fighting

>>39648415
Thats not a except of anything, the idea was that nukes don't put you in a better position to fend off other nukes, whilemoremagic gives you more ability to fend off magic.

>attune massive wellspring to redemption
>lure Lord of Life into it
>use Redeeming Touch
>???
>profit

>>39648537
>Lord of Life is super proud of everything he's done and thanks you for giving him a re-showing of his greatest hits
>proceeds to genocide everything

>>39648537
I think I've seen something like that before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTevUg80mD4

>>39648537
Redeeming touch doesn't work as mindrape.

>>39648563
That guy was definitly not redeeming touched.

>>39648580
Our sister's power does though. Imagine having this BBEG as a fucking pet!

>>39648615
If even Sireyi could resist Dominating Touc, the Lord of Life won't even be bothered by it.

>>39648637
What if it's powerd up by Randolph this magical forest?

>>39648665
Then we enter the realm of QM fiat, who knows?
I doubt it can be powered up by it.

>>39648665
The Lord of Life is very likely to have flawless defenses against mind-affecting powers and definitely has ways to defeat Deific power use. So it fails.

>True Angelic Magic

>Radiant Chains
Well that would've been really useful yesterday.

>Heaven's Gaze
Cast it on everything. EVERYTHING.

You push onwards towards the source of this place. As you do so you are attacked and impeded by all manner of bizarre plants and animals.

You simply avoid them or shove them off you as you advance, doing your best not to hurt them, but not letting them stop you.

You take a number of injuries as you push forwards but the resistance is disorganised and uncoordinated. Few of the flora and fauna of this place can hurt you, and they don’t work together, attacking each other and getting in each other’s way. Your injuries quickly heal, despite the unusual nature of this place.

Finally you push through the last of the trees and find...a conflicting mass of elements.

The source of magic you senses is centred on the clearing you now stand in.

As you watch a geyser of water shoots into the air from one side of the clearing, from the other side a black crust is breached and lava oozes forth, before cooling as the water washes over it.

At the same time rocks rumble as they roll around the clearing and a powerful wind roars through the place, chasing around like a caged animal, whipping the smouldering vegetation near the lava flow into flame.

You see the four elements fighting each other and much about this place becomes clear.

Natural wellsprings tend to end up aspected towards one of the elements. Even in places where several elements are present, one will dominate over time. But this one seems to have all four elements struggling for control, and likely has for centuries. Added to the local orcs treating it as a sort of sacred site – sending it regular *sacrifices* of their warriors and its grown very powerful over time, but no single element has taken control.

The animals and plants battling you weren’t defenders or servants of a sentient being, but were likely reacting to your own element of storm. Still, now that you have a better understanding of this place, several options present themselves.

You could leave it alone, in time one of the elements might dominate, or perhaps not.

You could push it towards an element, the elements you have affinities for would be easier, but using one of the Elemental Nodes you could in theory push it towards almost any element.

You could aspect towards your Goddess Velya, or perhaps even yourself.

You could aspect it towards a theme of some type, such as life, redemption, dragons. Those you have some sort of connection to would be easier of course. You doubt you could push it towards death magic for example.

You could consume its power, destroying the magic of this place, but boosting your own power.

Or you could try, as Isla suggested, to shape it so that it can grant powers to those you send here. Exactly what powers would be granted depend on which direction you pushed it in. You will be spending deific power to do this.
---
10 minutes to discuss, followed by 5 minute vote.

Vote will be 2 parts: One about aspecting it, one about using it to grant people power (a yes/no) vote.

Aspecting will have a follow-up vote about specifics, as well as increasing the power/size of the place using your deific power.

Feel free to ask questions in or out of character. I may not give full answers to OC questions.

>>39648818
I say attune it towards us. We are a Goddess, it'd be like attuning a well towards Velya or Konig.

>>39648818
Granting power seems like a given, I forgot, who we gave what node though.
I think we gave Fire and Wood to our Sister?

Which nodes do we currently still have Pally?

>>39648842
I don't see apoint in attuning it to us, what would that give us we don't already have?
I think a more universal power, like elemental powers is more useful.

>>39648818
>>39648842
I don't know what benefits that owuld give us, if its like aspecting it to Velya, it would be useless for us.

Couldwe get a idea of what it would do to aspect it to us? In terms of effects and if we push it towards power granting?

>>39648844
>Which nodes do we currently still have Pally?

I honestly don't recall.

Borrowing those your sister does have is likely to be a possibility though.

>>39648878
I do remember we gave her Fire and Wood, because that joke still makes me giggle.

>>39648870
>Couldwe get a idea of what it would do to aspect it to us? In terms of effects and if we push it towards power granting?

Aspecting it towards you would give you a small Deific Power boost.

Power granting would allow people to gain powers based upon your domains and your own powers.

>>39648888
Would we be able to use a well attuned to ourself to create paladins or priests for less cost?

>>39648842
This. I bet it would give us a lot of DP.

>>39648878
>>39648885
We gave Ebonsong water.

>>39648902
> you a small Deific Power
Apparently not. And we can already give people power based on our domain.

>>39648818
I want to get all five nodes, introduce the element of storms into the mix and use the power of the nodes to force the elements into harmony instead of opposition.

>>39648898
Yes

>>39648916
>I want to get all five nodes
There are six nodes.

>>39648898
>>39648927

Huh, okay, that could make it good.
How much?

Aspected to us would kinda lack flavor, to be honest, but if it gives us big enough a reduction on minting priests, that might be worth it.

extending discussion time by 5 minutes

>>39648911
We can grant angelic powers, and it incurs XP debt in either us or the recipient.

Small is relative. It could easily be 100 DP at our current level, quite possibly more.

>>39648934
Storm, Fire, Air, Water, Earth...oh, Wood, right. I counted that and Earth as the same node for some reason.

Six nodes then, whatever.

>>39648951
>How much?

Variable discount depending upon how much deific power you want to burn to create it.

minimum 10% though.

>>39648818
Guys

This thing is a ready-to-fire DoFC.

We just need to build the firing mechanism and barrel.

>>39648970
Also get the nodes since they're necessary to channel it and introduce the other two elements. Probably build a tower for the cannon and channels for the magical energy to flow to maximize range, then a fortress around that...

I do like the idea of making this a combination superweapon/empowering chamber, though.

>>39648963
>It could easily be 100 DP at our current level, quite possibly more.
Still not really worth it on its own, and the point was that it isn't a "big boost".

>>39648966
Well, discount of 2 isn't too hot.

I dunno. Aspecting to ourselves seems a bit boring to me, and kinda narcistic, but on the other hand it might be the safest option.
I feel like Aspecting it to a certain element would give us more, since its something we don't have.

>>39648992
If we use the nodes, we can already built the FDoC anyway. With the advantage it can be moved, and this can't. Making it a huge liability.

>>39648818
ANGELIC

EXALTED

PALADINS


IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS, YOUR TASTE IS COMPLETE SHIT

>>39648916
>>39648963
The mistake aside, I don't hate the idea of stabilising it around all six elements.

>>39648966
Is this doable pally? In theory?

>>39649023
Yes, added as an option, vote soon

>>39649021
I don't even know what you're trying to say here.
We can already make angelic paladins, its not that special. We could make it cheaper at best.

>>39649043
That settles it for me then, a symbol of harmony between conflicting elements. Seems like it fits greatly into our kingdom of angels and succubi.

>>39649005
The big thing that aspecting it towards us would do is add an impetus towards goodness, something lacking in the tribal lands. I would like too let our sister know what we are doing, as this will have a profound impact on her realm.

FD vote, 5 minutes. No quoting this power, numbers and Y/N only please

1 – Leave it alone
2 – Push towards a single element (options in follow-up post)
3 – Aspected towards Velya
4 – Aspected towards Sireyi
5 – Push towards a theme (options in follow-up post)
6 – Consume its power
7 – Force elements into harmony using Elemental Nodes

Use this place to grant people powers?

>Y/N

6 Overrides the Y/N vote

>>39649075
>is add an impetus towards goodness
I don't know why you think it would, nothing indicated velyas wellspring did anything like that. And we don't have the "good" domain.

>>39649045
Not...not just cheaper. More powerful. Fucking six winged seraphim paladin army, using this to turn entire legions into angel warriors.

7
Y

7
Y

7
Y

>>39649076
4
Y

7
Y

>>39649087
Nothing indicates this would allow for such mass production, especially since we already got the ability to make angel armies.

4
Y

>>39649076
Might be too late to ask, but would 7 require the nodes to stay here?

4
Y

>>39649113
Other than the fact that it's a reality-warping environmental focus of immeasurable power.

>But what can it give us that we don't already have if we attune it to us?

HOW ABOUT IMMEASURABLE POWER?

>>39649126
would require all nodes to set up, but not remain here once done.

>>39649136
>HOW ABOUT IMMEASURABLE POWER?
Its hardly immeasurable. Its pretty powerful, but if you want to get all that power, we can just absorb it.

Closing vote and counting.

>>39649005
This way would probably allow more shots/easier recharge due to the wellspring, give it a nice vantage point if we build a high enough tower and let it be a decent defensive weapon. If properly improved, we might be able to make it able to fire anywhere in our realm, making it a very, very good defensive weapon.

Still, you don't have to vote for building the FFDoC, I just thought it might be neat to stick it on top of our wellspring.

>>39649069
It might also remove or at least limit the spread of the wild magic zone if they're brought into harmony.

>>39649113
Well, the discount, and it drawing from our aspects would probably allow for cheaper promotion/creation of angels as well.

>>39649136
The power is completely measurable and it's not warping reality much more than any wild magic zone would.

>>39649147
>>39649152
are you guys really so convinced that this place is nothing special?

>>39649152
>give it a nice vantage point
Not really, the FDoC greatest downside was that it can only fire in a straight line. Aiming at things from that tower in the middle of a mountainous region would be a bit of a issue in that regard.

> making it a very, very good defensive weapon
Thats a easy and fuckhuge target for sabotage.

While on topic of the divine thing Sireyi might be doing, how's that doctrine coming along?

I'll put my 2 cents forward.

Domain:Angel
>Angelic Kindness
Sireyi is quick to look for good side in a person and finds pleasure in joy of others. Be nice to others and let their joy warm your own heart!
(related powers: boost to morale/fellowship? limitation:higher success rate to opposing malicious intent?)
>Aspect of the dove
Not everyone will always want to be nice though. Even in her service as Paladin, Sireyi sought where she could to resolve conflict without bloodshed, softening the edges and finding ways to reconcile conflicting interests.
(related powers: bonuses to negotiations in establishing truce. Limitation:cannot refuse genuine possibility to parley)
>Sheltering wing
As part of her duty, Sireyi made it a point to defend the weak and the innocent, protecting them from harm and wickedness.
(related powers, limitation included: deflect/redirect harm to self)

Domain:Life
>Rebirth into light
Sireyi met numerous souls that have walked the path of darkness, and helped them embark on the path of light again. Maybe one cannot eliminate misery, but one can certainly try and turn it into joy and brightness!
(related powers: bonuses to persuasion/fellowship. Limitation:cannot be used against general theme of goodness)
>Nurturing light
While it's preferable to prevent harm in first place, it's not always possible. What is however usually possible is to work on rectification of wrongs and mending of wounds.
(related powers: generic healing)
>Light in Darkness
Sireyi has embarked on and shone even in places shrouded by darkness and wickedness, sustained by the blazing soul she carried. And in darkness, the light of goodness is all the more pronounced. Do not lose hope and you may nurture it into something great!
(related powers: bonuses when in adverse environment. Limitations:getting into that situation in first place)

>>39649188
Its plenty special, no idea what makes you think otherwise.
It will have a huge impact on our nation and the tribal lands.

>>39649204
So why do you guys think making it an elemental source of power instead of a directly EMPOWER US generator of power is such a good idea? What if we harmonize it and it gains sentience as a god-level elemental and then slaps us around?

>>39649193
Most of your Life has nothing to do with Life though. Especially Light in Darkness and Rebirth fits more into the angel domain.

>>39649225
>So why do you guys think making it an elemental source of power instead of a directly EMPOWER US generator of power is such a good idea?
because its a symbol of harmony and differences existing side by side, which is a pretty big deal for Sireyi. Also its just plain cool.
Aspecting it to us doesn't empower us anymore than the six-elements approach. Eating it would empower us directly.

>What if we harmonize it and it gains sentience as a god-level elemental and then slaps us around?
If that could happen, it could happen when Aspecting it to us too.

All of these elements struggling against each other gives you an idea: rather than forcing one element to dominate the others you could use the elemental nodes to work in harmony with one another.

This would preserve the unique characteristics of this place whilst making it somewhat more predictable and controllable.

Of course to do that you’ll need to collect all the Nodes, although you don’t expect either of your sisters to object to you borrowing them.

The only question is whether you will be doing this alone, or with help.

Only powerful magic users make sense for this, and the more you have, the greater the chances of success.

But anyone helping you could get badly hurt if things go wrong.

Who is doing this?
>Alone
>With (who?)
>Do this later.

You can pick up to 5 extra people to help you, each assistant must be able to use magic, the higher spell they can cast, and the higher willpower they have, the better. You can of course put it off until later.

>>39649247
Except if we aspect it to us and it gains sentience, it becomes a fuckhueg angel destroyer thing that obeys us like all other angels do. The elements have nothing to do with us, and outside of Storms our control over them is limited. We are not going to get anything but elemental bonuses to people we send in here. No divine impact on empowerment.

>>39649269
>With (Isla, Blue, Nicolvren, Ebonsong)
All our level 3 arcane casters. Unless we have some Succubus who is equally powerful?

>>39649330
>All our level 3 arcane casters. Unless we have some Succubus who is equally powerful?

Not sure about *equally* but you do have powerful succubi sorceresses you can call on yes.

Adding option
>Succubi Sorceress (number)

Extending voting time to 10 minutes from this post

>>39649346
>Not sure about *equally* but you do have powerful succubi sorceresses you can call on yes.
How powerful?
Anyone with Rank 4 and 20+Willpower?

>>39649193
3rd cent

Domain:Storm
>Lightning interdiction
Sometimes words and kindness are not enough and more direct action is needed. In this case Sireyi won't hesitate to use (more than) adequate force to stop a wickedness from taking place.
(related power: ZAP! Limitations: not available until other forms of solution have been attempted?)
>Gathering of storms
Power of lightning is discharged abruptly, but it does not come out of thin air and takes time and effort to accumulate. Take your experiences, mull over them, build them up and save them, an opportunity to release with greater effect will certainly come up!
(related power: increase in magical resource pool?)
>Elemental Excitement
World and life are dynamic things. And while Sireyi often worked to preserve peace and order, she didn't shy away from acting on impulse either. Life needs some spicing up to be worth living!
(related power: penalty to plans of opposing forces, or bonus to invention? Limitation: penalty to own planning or infrastructure/routines)

>>39649353
>Anyone with Rank 4 and 20+Willpower?

Yes, several

>>39649269
>>39649330
Changing to
>Isla, Blue, he three most powerful succubus sorceresses

>>39649371
Bring them.

>>39649227
Yeah, I know what you mean. Although I don't see them in Angel domain either, more like in separate light/redemption etc. domain.

>>39649269
>>39649382
This one, then.

>>39649396
>light/redemption etc. domain
Thats what I always considered the Angel domain to be.

>>39649371
I might jinx it by asking now, but, what happens to the succubi in our realm when they die?
I assume our worshippers go to our heaven, obviously. But what with those that don't worhsip any specific deity, do they go to hell due to being demons?

>>39649396
So...the angel domain?

>>39649441
Hmm. I considered it more to be "Service to a good god(dess)" kind of deal. But that's a bit vague.

>>39649462
>I might jinx it by asking now, but, what happens to the succubi in our realm when they die?
>I assume our worshippers go to our heaven, obviously. But what with those that don't worhsip any specific deity, do they go to hell due to being demons?

The assumption about worshippers is likely correct, the other bit...you don't know

>>39649193
>>39649360
Most of it doesn't really fit for Doctrine as the power, its very different from what it does, if you look at Velyas examples. But most of them seem good as our Doctrine in "what Sireyi would write down for her priests to follow".

>>39649491
>you don't know
That sounds like plot. Have no succubi in our realm died since we arrived?

Thats going to be interesting when our first worshipper dies and we have to start setting up our heaven.

>>39649521
>Have no succubi in our realm died since we arrived?

Nope, although you have a lot of succubi in your realm it's only been 3 years, they don't die of old age, and you haven't gone to war with anyone.

>>39649558
>and you haven't gone to war with anyone
Well, there was that one border expansion, but its likely they didn't put up much of a fight.

>>39649558
>they don't die of old age
>and reproduce at 30%+ per year
Oh boy. Good thing there is lots of tribal land to be had.
Actually, since their reproduction rate was 30% before we took Life domain, how much is it now with all the fertility powers we throw around?

>>39649558
Well then, we aught to make sure even the non-worshipers get a fair trial in the afterlife before it becomes a problem. Just another task for the pile of work we already have.

On unrelated note, how the hell do any of Konig's priests object to Chesi being in the school when the deal has been greenlit by the Big Boss himself, as in personally? I can see it as viable dissent against decision of church hierarchy as a (borderline?) heretical departure from doctrine, but how can a priest criticise his own actual god, short of losing faith in him?

>>39649591
>we aught to make sure even the non-worshipers get a fair trial in the afterlife before it becomes a problem
Yeah, that was my concern too. I would hate for any of our subjects to go to hell just for being demons. They shouldn't have to worship Sireyi just to escape that.

>>39649591
>not your worshippers
>you don't have the Succubi Domain
>you're an angel
>they're demons

Good luck Sireyi, we're all counting on you

>>39649614
Chesi being there wasn't directly paet of the deal, chesi didn't even know Mili when that deal was made.

>>39649625
If it takes getting the succubus domain, that would even convince me to take that one next year, or whenever we get 500DP. I would hate getting further away from Storm domain, but to save the souls of good people, that wouldn't even be a question for Sireyi.

>>39649470
My mental image of the angel domain has been Sun, Light, Redemption, Law, Healing, Fire, Battle and probably one or two other things I'm forgetting.

>>39649582
52 percent, rounding up.

>>39649614
They're dickholes.

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>>39649625
are you
>implying
that Sireyi'll need to become succubus goddess on top of what she is so she can forge a personal hell for her atheist subjects to go to rather than the regular one?

>>39649658
That's a big domain.

>>39649691
I'm saying that would make it easier.

It's not a requirement to help your non-worshipping followers into an afterlife

>>39649658
>52 percent, rounding up.
Oh wow.

What did Elahi say again when Succubi start having less children?

In four years we have a larger population than Dornmer.

>>39649691
I think he's implying Sireyi would need a stronger connection to the succubi to drag even those who don't worship her under her aegis.

>>39649614
>when the deal has been greenlit by the Big Boss himself
I doubt Konig was cool with Chesi going there, it was most likely something he got bullied into by Sofia.

Please roll 1d20+17 for magic

Rolled 13 + 17 (1d20 + 17)

>>39649777

Rolled 6 + 17 (1d20 + 17)

>>39649777

Rolled 4 + 17 (1d20 + 17)

>>39649777

Rolled 2 + 17 (1d20 + 17)

>>39649777

Want to spend a point of deific power for a 20?

>Y/N

>>39649777
>+17
Any particular reason we don't take Soul of Light to maximise our chances here, givent he huge risk involved?

>>39649811
>Y

>>39649811
>Y

>>39649811
>Y

>>39649822
I didn't think to add it in

Use Soul of Light
>Y/N

Spendin' deific points all day everyday.

>>39649857
>Y
No issue, it been a while, and Sireyi got so many potential modifiers, it ridiculous at times.

>>39649857
>Y

>>39649857
>Y
That would be, +26 then, unless I miscalculated.

>>39649899
+23, actually.

Redemption Domain
You can spend Deific Power to look into the sins of someone from the past (cost variable dependent on target)
Gain a significant bonus to Redeeming Touch
"Failed" Redeeming Touches plant 'seeds of faith' in the target, letting them doubt and making them more susceptible to any other deific or divine abilities you or your followers use against them.
Can spend DP to have Redeeming Touch bypass resistances and/or immunities
All Paladins and Priests gain Redeeming Touch free
You and your children are immune to the effects of Dominating Touch and any similar corruptive effects.

This Domain and its perks is already Pally Approved, just needs anons to vote on it. Yea, or nay, good sirs?

>>39649974
Nope

>>39649974
Not a fan, sorry.

>>39649974
>>39649988
Okay, I guess your effort deserves a bit more.
I am not, and will never be, a friend of redemption powers. Ever. I abhor the concept.
Redemption is something that is accomplished throug actual desire for bettering ourself, its a chance. You can't 'make' someone redeem himself, either that person wants to or not.

Anything else is supernatural mental influence, and completly invalidates the entire idea of redemption to me.

>>39649974
Doesn't sound that bad, actually. I'll say yes.

>>39649974
Don't see the point, and would never pick it above any of the others we could get.

>>39650021
Yeah I never post in these threads. Well I mean every once in awhile I'll post something in an attempt to get pally to post that face from little witch academia.

But Redeeming touch creeps me out on a fundamental level. Shit is evil masquerading as good. It's like the ultimate mind fuck.

If someone used an evil version on one of Sireyi's family it'd be worse than killing them. Hell had used one on us in Psychic Rebel it would have gutted our player agency.

>>39650021
Free will isn't free. It's merely an illusion established and maintained by an overdeity. Only the divine are free of its influence, and only through things such as Redeeming Touch can you help the unfaithful see the truth.

>>39650075
You're a fucking monster.

You spend the several days planning with Isla, your sister, and the three most powerful succubi sorceresses, going over the magical theory of what you want to do, trying to anticipate problems and making sure everyone is familiar with the elemental nodes.

Finally you return to the central area of the wild magic forest, thanks to the elemental nodes your passage is easier this time.

The six of you arrange yourself in a circle and each hold the elemental nodes, opening them mystically so that they start to absorb the ambient elements, dampening the ongoing struggle somewhat.

You focus on your node, and start to let the storm you prepared earlier out of it, a little bit at a time, even as the others allow their own Nodes to start *leaking* elemental energies.

As the elements naturally begin to struggle against and oppose one another you each try to calm them, only allowing the elements to move as you direct, forcing them to cooperate and existing in harmony with one another. It’s slow going, and takes several more days to put the theory into practise.

Its not a perfect union, the elements still struggle against one another, and always will, but for now the elements only move as you have directed them to, complementing one another rather than battling.

With that done you all turn your attention to the complex web of magic that stretches throughout the forest, and that sometimes latches onto visitors.

You untangle it as much as possible, trying to standardise it, and allowing different elements to dominate in different parts of the forest – so that where a person enters determines which elemental powers they gain.

You also spend time unpicking the snarls in the web of magic that cause madness and mutation, allowing visitors to gain powers that won’t harm or destroy them.

[-1 Deific Power]

>>39650072
Then it's a good thing this domain gives us an immunity to that kinda shit, isn't it?

>>39649974
I kinda like the idea, but I don't like phrasing of
>susceptible to any other deific or divine abilities you or your followers use against them.
Especially the "against them" part. It gives too dominating vibe.

Finally it’s done, all of you take a moment to rest, whilst looking at your work, the elemental nodes still allowing you to see the magic you’ve wrought, whilst the elements flow around you. Not everyone who passes through the forest will be empowered, but none will die and their mutations will be fewer, and relatively minor. You’re not sure what the success rate will be, but for now, you’ll need to restrict access to this place.

“So those that enter this forest” says one of the succubi sorceresses, Yulenic “the powers they gain will be of one element or another, but how will we know who is worthy, who should be allowed to approach?”

“Same as anything else” says another succubus sorceress “loyalty and good service.”

“I wonder if this will be strong enough” says Isla, looking at part of the web of magic critically “as it is it would make someone into a sorcerer with a talent for elemental powers, but....”

“It could be made stronger” points out your sister, the Azure Empress “by divine will I, or Sireyi” she nods in your direction “can ensure that anyone who absorbs the magic of this place is far stronger in their element, or even their form, than normal.”

“A decision for another day” you say wearily. This has taxed even your powers.”

“Very well” concedes your sister, adding “I’ll start sending some of my followers immediately.”

“What?” you ask

“This place” your sister gestures around you, as you all sit in the clearing “I have a right to use it as well don’t I? And unlike you dear sister, I’m fighting to expand my holdings, I need warriors with mystical powers now.”

Your response?

>Let her send who she chooses
>You will let some through (criteria?)
>Don’t let her use it yet
>Other (what?)

*Criteria* is open – you could only allow a certain number through per week, or only those who are not evil, or any other criteria you want to impose.

>>39650107
We already got that, actually. And just for that would be a waste of 500DP. Pretty sure we could find ways to make our family immune to it for less.

>>39650123
>You will let some through (criteria?)
>Only those that are not evil, and only 5 per week until we have made sure the place is actually safe.

>>39650134
This would convey immunity towards Lord of Life corruption.

>>39649974
I want the thing for kids, but everything else about it seems either mediocre or irrelevant. I can't think of any actual powers for it to grant, like how Life and Angel have (or will soone have) their own things, other than Deific versions of Redeeming Touch. Much of it seems to be working off of the old version of Redeeming Touch and seems obsessed with the power.

Nay.

>>39650075
That sounds exactly like Asmodeus' philosophy. Redeeming Touch doesn't even work like that anymore.

>>39650072
>But Redeeming touch creeps me out on a fundamental level. Shit is evil masquerading as good. It's like the ultimate mind fuck.
The original version could be interpreted that way. The way it works post-retcons it's not anything of sorts.

>>39650151
>This would convey immunity towards Lord of Life corruption.
I don't see where it implies that. And we can already brek its mental influence anyway.

>>39650123
>You will let some through, non-evil. And Sofia picks them, her Sofia.
I trust her to be otherwise cautious about who she gives power.

>>39650152
And how does it work, exactly?

You've got good, and evil. The Succubi, even though they act in the name of goodness and are generally good people, still register as evil. It has nothing to do with free will, it's simply because THAT IS HOW THEY ARE MADE

Demons are made to be cruel, heartless creatures who would never voluntarily choose the path of goodness. Many, many humans are the same way. Are you cruel enough to deny them truth and goodness just because the evil you seek to expunge from them keeps them from choosing the correct path?

>>39650160
>The way it works post-retcons it's not anything of sorts.
And thats very good so, but this Domain makes it dirft back into that direction with the 'seeds of faith' thing.

>>39650123
>Let her send who she chooses

>>39650191
>who would never voluntarily choose the path of goodness
This is provably false, Shahulzer did, for example.

>>39650123
>>39650170
This seems sensible

>>39650202
More like we threatened him with it. "You wanna get fat and lazy, or you wanna get killed?"

>>39650160
It's still a forced evaluation and a mind fuck of psychological trauma.

It's concept is like torturing torturers. If someones a bad person. By using redeeming touch you're doing whatever horrors they've done to others to.. them.

So you're no better than they are.

He cuts off his victims toes and tears out their eyes? He now gets that however many times it's done.

You've done it to him by proxy.

The "They had to have done it though!" is sort of a loop hole to do horrible things to horrible people.

You're torturing the target.

It's the "Well it's okay to do horrible things to horrible people right?!"

Redeeming touch is just a way to remove yourself from it so that you feel better about doing it.

>>39650223
He could have chosen otherwise, and he voluntarily choose good. As did Gendric.
Many of our own succubus citizens choose good on their own too.

Non-evil + Sofia picks, ok writing

>>39650236
I have no issue doing horrible things to horrible people, I just hate calling it good.

>>39650239
Gendric is the one person who has chosen to be good even when it did not directly benefit him. The succubi and Shahulzar all make the same choice, "I would rather live comfortably by the rules than die like a dog." Essentially, this is even harsher than the choice made by Redeeming touch.

>>39650191
>still register as evil. It has nothing to do with free will, it's simply because THAT IS HOW THEY ARE MADE
Registering as evil=/= being evil
It doesn't matter to us if they register as evil or not.

>>39650271
They could have easily chosen to live in the Azure Empire or Drache, which would have far less strict restrictions. Additionally, none of our rules force the average succubus to be good or behave good. They enforce at best neutrality.

>>39650279
I dunno, a good majority of them still have no hard feelings about manipulating anyone they see.

>>39650266
It's evil if anything. Or just barely pushing neutral.

Anyone who thinks that is good is insane.

>>39650298
Fail to see what that has to do with what I just said?
it doesn't matter if they register as evil, if they act evil or not is what matters.
And they can choose not to act evil, many do.

>>39650297
Just because they don't actually commit a sin outright doesn't make them good. Just complacent. There are plenty of people doing terrible shit who live by the rules. You can't say they come here and live by our laws and are automatically "on the path to redemption." They might still be doing cruel shit and we just don't hear about it.

>>39650302
Hell is a force of good to remove the tar from a person's soul.

>>39650334
>Just because they don't actually commit a sin outright doesn't make them good.
I never said all of them are good, most our citizens probably aren't, some of them, however, are good. And the fact that many are not, just proves more that they had the option to not be good and still choose goodness.

>>39650353
Our citizens are demons. They most kind-hearted, human-acting demons, but demons regardless. What about, lets say, some berserker demons? Would you ever expect them to choose the path of goodness on their own?

>>39650348
By inflicting those horrors on others you're not actually having them "choose good" it's like a lobotomy. Hah! Now that I've beaten and broken him he'll do whatever I say is good!

It's evil. You don't get to use evil to be good! It doesn't work like that. They're not themselves they're a shell and Whoever uses that fucking spell should be accumulating some sort of evil and or is evil they're just too warped to know it.

Nice bait though.

>>39650353
If it were as simple as giving people the opportunity to be good to make them be good, then noone would be evil. That's the 'Free Will' you're valuing so highly. The concept of free will itself makes me sick.

>>39650376
>Our citizens are demons. They most kind-hearted, human-acting demons, but demons regardless
I still don't see what you are trying to say? Yes they are demons, which makes it all the more impressive that many of them managed to choose goodness against their natural inclination towards evil.

>>39650395
But there's the other 98% of evil people who WON'T turn against their nature on the path of goodness. Will you deny them the chance to be good as well?

>>39650376
It's entirely possible they would, or that they wouldn't need RT to be redeemed. And even if it would be a justified use of RT, it wouldn't make the Redemption domain any more appealing or relevant since we can already do that.

>>39650394
You know who else thinks that way?

Asmodeus, the king of devils.

Stop acting like you're good, you just have a completely fucked worldview and are trying to force it on everyone else.

>>39650394
You confuse me with the other anon.

>If it were as simple as giving people the opportunity to be good to make them be good, then noone would be evil.
Thats pretty untrue, since there are benefits to being evil, so its not a matter of "if they could the would". More importantly, however no one ever said its simple. its not, redemption and the path of goodness is hard and not for everyone.
I don't care if our subjects are aligment wise Good or not, it doesn't matter as long as they follow the laws and let others live their lifes according to their own design, they can be as uch assholes as they like.

>>39650413
>Will you deny them the chance to be good as well?
If they don't want to be good, why would I mindrape them into goodness? its their choice, and they have to suffer the consequences of that choice. I rather kill a unrepentant evil person than mindrape him into a "good" person.

“Only those that can cross my borders without difficulty can use the forest” you say to your sister, she gives you a flat look.

“Really?” she asks

“Do you want soldiers who might betray you to have such powers?” you ask, one eyebrow raised.

“Anything else?” she asks, still giving you a dirty look.

“General Sofia hand-picks those who are coming” you say “I know she won’t allow anyone unworthy through.”

The Azure Empress sighs “Fine” she says “I suppose I can live with that, I’m telling Sofia that it was your idea though – I’m sure she’s going to *love* the extra workload. By the way, she’d kill me if I didn’t ask: you’re coming to the wedding aren’t you?”

“Of course I’m coming...to...the....wait what?” You ask, as Isla sits bolt upright, her eyes wide in shock.

The three succubi sorceresses just laugh.

---

And that’s all for today, stand by for junior paladin quest.

>>39650458
>you’re coming to the wedding aren’t you?
Oh yes. beautiful.
I hope Mili gets a day leave for that.

>>39650381
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is the golden rule, and a world where the golden rule isn't followed is an unjust world with little good to be followed. Having them feel the consequences of their actions when previously there were no consequences is Ultimate Good.

>>39650458
>wedding
>before saving other Isla from LoL
Other Sireyi confirmed for shit tastes.

>>39650503
This makes me wonder too, but on the other hand, Azure Empress is not really Sireyi, in the end.
I guess it shows here. Might be she is just more easily influenced by her Sofia than our Sireyi is,

>>39650491
Mathrian stop.

>>39650491
Do unto others is a nice saying but it's too simplistic to function in the real world.

At the end of the day in using this power Sireyi's actions are evil or warped.

If she wants do unto others, she can experience all the horrible shit she's done and that others have done every time she uses it.

>>39650236
That sounds like something an evil person scared of retribution would say.

>>39650601
>If you have nothing to hide then why worry about constant surveillance in your home! You don't need privacy if you've done nothing wrong!

Troll harder.

>>39650591
They can go right ahead. Sireyi's actions have ultimately helped more people than they've hurt, and she would become more empowered. The wicked are the ones who have trouble with the Redeeming Touch.

>>39650629
>The wicked are the ones who have trouble with the Redeeming Touch.
Actually, the truly wicked have the least problem with it.

>>39650591
>Do unto others is a nice saying but it's too simplistic to function in the real world.
Not when we have the "Do unto others bitchslap," then it's actually liable.

>>39650650
Not really, a judge shouldn't go to prison for a equal time as the one he has sentenced.

>>39650629
Any human being who's exposed to every awful thing they've ever done from both sides has trouble.

It seems only the people with high will power walk that one off.

It's not Sireyi who "ultimately helped blah blah blah." it's the self-righteous who get up and walk away fine.

>>39650618
>tree of liberty gotta be litterd with blood of innocents

also, is it evil if you tell someone mean things? you can damage them emotionally.
Unless a person is an outright psychopath, even recounting his crimes to him makes him feel discomfort. People can do amazing things to their memory to make themselves feel like innocent victim of circumstance.

>>39650662
Are you high?

You are Milerna Jalweyen, angel-blooded and born paladin of Konig. You are 8 years old, and are attending paladin training at a church of Konig school.

http://pastebin.com/RE8br4uf

You’ve been at paladin school for two weeks now, and you’ve signed up for your extra classes in Theology. Aunt Philly is your tutor and you’ve made some close friends.

Today is really exciting though!

Some of the older students are going on a field exercise to learn tracking and hunting and stuff. Whilst they’re there they will be staying in an old army barracks for a few days.

Some of the younger cadets will be allowed to go along too, but will be staying at the base. As part of squire training the younger cadets will be looking after the older cadets gear and horses, under supervision of course. It’s supposed to be preparation for being a squire and the work sounds boring, but still, a chance to go on an adventure!

You and your friends all want to go, it would be great to go as a group, even if its only for a few days, but even if just one of you can go then they can bring back stories of their adventure.

The older cadets can pick who they want as squires, and Gilyan has indicated that she *might* pick one of you – if you don’t get an older cadet to pick you.

You sit at breakfast with Chesi, Jenny, Thomas and Michael, trying to figure out how to get an older cadet to choose you.

“My cousin Walter is going” boasts Thomas “I know he’ll pick me.”

“I think” says Thomas “If we show how useful we can be to an older cadet, then we’ll get picked.”

“No” argues Chesi “Just make friends with someone, then they’ll pick you.”

“This trip sounds like a lot of hard work” says Jenny “I’ll go if everyone else is, but I dunno how to get an older cadet to pick me, I mean, who should we even approach?”

“Pick the Girls” Thomas suggests to Jenny “One of them will take you.”

“Nah” says Chesi “One of the Nobles – they’re too good to polish their own armour (but not their own swords) and will pick anyone who volunteers to put up with them being....them.”

They all raise some interesting points but, who will you approach, and how?

Who?

>No one, Gilyan will pick me
>Approach one of the Nobles
>Approach one of the Talented
>Approach one of the Girls
>Approach one of the Swordies

How?

>Be useful
>Be friendly
>Get by on your family name
>Other (how?)

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Girls
Seems he easiest
We should try o convince Gilayn to pick Chesi, no one else is likely to do that.
>Be friendly

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Girls
>Be friendly

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Swordies

>>39650783
>thinking little girls will be anything but heart-eating vultures

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Swordies

>We should try o convince Gilayn to pick Chesi, no one else is likely to do that.


>Be useful
>>39650686
Depending on the state of the other person. Yes mean things can be evil.

Telling a child their parents don't love then and that they should cut their throat. Is evil.

>recounting crimes...

It's like talking to a brick wall. Not going to regurgitate my previous answers. You're torturing someone to be "good."

>>39650774
>(but not their own swords)
Fucking Chesi.

>Approach one of the Nobles
>Get by on your family name

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Girls
>Be useful
>Be friendly
>Try to convince Gilyan to pick Chesi
>>39650806
They aren't little girls, we approach the older one,s because they are the ones who need to pick us, didn't you read the update at all?

>>39650825
Oh yes, because teenage girls are always better than little girls.

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Swordies
>Be useful

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Swordies
>Be useful

>>39650833
To little girls? Yeah they are.

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Girls
>Be useful

>>39650848
No they aren't. They're complete cuntwaffles. A young adult female will gush over little girls, but teens a year or two older? Fuck no.

>>39650774
>>39650825
seconding this

>>39650825
Seconding

>>39650774
Which girl secretly has a dick? We need to be that one's squire.

>>39650865
You have no idea about teenage girls huh?
They love being nice to little girls to show how amture they are.

>>39650774
>one of the talented
>be useful
meritocracy ho

>>39650882
Meritocracy would be more swordies, I think. The "talented" are the ones that are born with special abilities.
Like Mili.

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Nobles
>Offer to polish their sword for them

>>39650774
>Approach one of the Girls
>Be useful
>Be friendly
>Convince Gilyan to pick Chesi

>>39650875
Chesi.

Also CX pls go and stay go.

>>39650875
She is 8 you dipshit. Fuck off.

>>39650907
That's 16 in succubi years.

>>39650916
Mili is not a succubus.
Even then its wrong.

so girls, being useful *and* friendly and asking Gilyan to pick Chesi

roll me 1d20 please

>>39650819
Nice try, but that's not what it's about. It's about telling the children that stealing their friend's toy was wrong that would make their friend sad.

You keep calling it torture when it's just means of conveying relevant information that could lead a person to make a better informed choice. No actual harm is done to them.

Are you one of those people who think you can rape a woman by staring at her ass?

Rolled 15 (1d20)

>>39650932
boom bam

Rolled 14 (1d20)

>>39650932
No idea how Mili can be useful, I guess she can offer to beat up anyone who has been mean to them.

>>39650891
ah, fair enough then.

Rolled 15 (1d20)

>>39650932

Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>39650932

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habbeding

>>39650935
You provided no context you just said:"also, is it evil if you tell someone mean things? you can damage them emotionally."

So I provided an example of when, yes, saying mean things is evil.

>You keep calling it torture when it's just means of conveying relevant information that could lead a person to make a better informed choice. No actual harm is done to them.

>No actual harm
It's making them experience the events from both perspectives.

So if the individual is a rapist does that mean the experience of being raped isn't harmful or traumatic? That's above and beyond "relevant" information.

You're having someone live through whatever evil acts they've done to some one from their and the victims perspective.

It's the archaic, "an eye for an eye," bullshit. You're just going with, "Well since the trauma is only psychological it's not bad!"


>Are you one of those people who think you can rape a woman by staring at her ass?

I'm done responding to you. You're running out of steam so now suddenly I'm a social justice warrior.

>>39651047
How is the suffering of the victim not relevant? How is it wrong to convey information on the culprit?
>muh psychological trauma
Maybe we should abolish all justice and penal system then, seeing as how it's evil trauma imposing and torture then? Maybe we should not even scold criminals as that might cause them trauma and disturb their development or something?

After all evil is not really evil, just misunderstood.

>>39651047
>>39651173
Please.
Fucking.
Stop.
I'm hear to read about Joyful Paladins and not read a freshman collage philosophy debate.

“I’ll be useful and friendly” you say “That’ll uh, triple my chances of success.” Yeah, you’re sure two things is triple.

“But who will you be asking?” asks Thomas

“One of the Girls” you say firmly “I’m sure they don’t want a boy squire.”

“Well, not the same one twice maybe” observes Chesi “Some of the Girls though-” Whatever else she’s about to say is lost as the bell rings and you’re off to your first class.

You spend the next several days talking to some of the older Girls, carrying their bags and generally trying to be as friendly and useful as possible. You’re not the only young cadet doing so of course, and so some of the older Girls ignore you, some are mean, and some are apologetic that they’ve already picked someone.

Finally though, when you’ve been carrying the bags of a girl called Sera for the whole afternoon, and talking to her animatedly, you get lucky. As you leave to go to your last lesson, Sera sighs and says “ok, I’ll pick you as my squire Mili, just don’t screw up, ok?”

You resist the urge to do a dance of joy and you bow politely as you’ve been taught and hand Sera her bag.

Later that same day you’re talking to Gilyan “Would you mind picking Chesi?” you ask her, when the topic of squires comes up.

Gilyan shrugs “I don’t mind” she says “I suppose I can, I would have thought you’d want me to take Jenny – Chesi seems like she should be able to convince anyone to take her.”

“Jenny’s not sure if she wants to go” you say “but Chesi definitely wants to go.”

“Ok” says Gilyan “I’ll ask Chesi.” She seems a bit distracted though.
---
The morning of the expedition you, Thomas and Chesi are each assigned a pony, and given a pack of the older squires things.

Jenny and Michael didn’t make it, so for now its just you three – and a bunch of other younger cadets, but they’re not important.

You ride proudly on your pony with your friends, each of you close enough to your older cadets – whom you have to call *sir* whilst on the trip – in case they need you.

According to the instructor it will be several hours until you get to the base.

How will you occupy your time?

>Just ride and look at the countryside
>Talk to someone (who?)
>Something else (what?)

>>39651173
The justice and penal system is pretty fucked up, honestly. At least it is here in Eagleland.

Oh, also, everything you said is either asking a question that's already been answered or strawmanning. Different anon than the guy you replied to.

>>39651222
>Talk to someone (who?)
>Sera, if she doesn't mind

>>39651222
>Try to ride the pony while squatting, then standing.

>>39651222
>>Just ride and look at the countryside
Landscape porn plz

>>39651222
>Just ride and look at the countryside

>>39651173
>Maybe we should abolish all justice and penal system then, seeing as how it's evil trauma imposing and torture then?
Who ever said justice needs to be good?
The argument was that calling a method to torture people into compliance with your own outlook is pretty warped.

>>39651264
*The argument was that calling a method to torture people into compliance with your own outlook 'good' is pretty warped.

>>39651222
>Talk to someone
> Sera, if she doesn't want to, Thomas
We don't know much about either

>>39651222
>Talk to someone (who?)
Sera, Chesi

>>39651225
>>39651289
Thank you both.

And so begins the Adventures of Thomas, the hero who would be king!

>>39651264
There's literally nothing about redeeming touch that binds people into compliance with "your own outlook".
In the original installment it would bind the person into compliance with Good as an absolute in-universe concept, or alternatively into outlook of the patron goddess. But OP called it positive energy, not velya's energy.
In the modified installment it merely forced introspection and left the agency 100% with the recipient.

Whether or not you consider either one of them good is entirely up to your definition of what good means. And what you consider torture.

>>39651204
>Jenny and Michael didn’t make it
Well, at least they aren't alone, that would have been worse.

Might have been I overestimated how much the teachers resentment for Chesi leaked through to the students? I would have thought its would be more widely known what she is by now. Considering some students already knew by our first day.

>>39651222
>Talk to someone (who?)
>Anyone, really. Sera might be nice, if she doesn't find it annyoing or is already in a conversation, otherwise Thomas and Chesi
I would like to know more about Chesi, honestly, but it wouldn't make much sense for Mili to ask her stuff she already knows.

>>39651352
>There's literally nothing about redeeming touch that binds people into compliance with "your own outlook".
Correct, thats probably why no one ever said it does.