“Simple” responds Jal “We find out which side has the thing, then we snaffle it.”

“Jal” says Sofia in a scolding tone “we shouldn’t just take it, I’m sure we can work out some sort of deal.”

“Not our fight luv” retorts Jal.

Finally the spokespeople of the groups start talking to you.

“Lord Slagredeth is the ruler of our people” says one of the elves from the loyalist faction “He welcomes you with honour and respect and would treat with you fairly.”

“He is a cruel tyrant who will use you for his own ends!” retorts another elf, from the rebel faction “our people deserve to choose our own fate! Our seers have told us that you have the power to end Slagredeth – do so and anything you ask for will be yours!”

It gets hard to pick a side when you don’t know any of the larger issues here, or even who has the Reapers Blade. What are you going to do?

>Talk to both Slagredeth and the rebels – see what each side wants
>Side with the loyalists (for now)
>Side with the rebels (for now)
>Other (what?)

>>40174108
>Talk to both Slagredeth and the rebels – see what each side wants

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>>40174108
>Talk to both Slagredeth and the rebels – see what each side wants

>>40174135
Seems good to me.

>>40174108
>Talk to both Slagredeth and the rebels – see what each side wants
Paladin gonna paladong.

>>40174108
>Talk to both Slagredeth and the rebels – see what each side wants

>>40174108
>Side with the rebels (for now)

>inb4 this Slagredeth isn't actually evil and is leading an evil race on a path to goodness, same as Sireyi

“I will listen to both sides before I make a decision” you say, your voice carrying clearly to both parties despite the yelling “I have been invited to a meeting with Slagredeth I intend to go. After I have spoken to him I’m sure I will be able to find you” you give the rebels a look “for now I suggest you leave, before more blood is shed.”

There’s more shouted threats from either side, as well as insults, but when it becomes clear that you’re not going to change your mind the rebels fade away into the darkness and your escort quickly strip the bodies of the fallen of weapons and valuables as one explains “We are too few to take their bodies back with us – we will send a patrol later.”

Then you all enter the tunnel and descend into the depths.
---
After a long walk through tunnels and past checkpoints you enter a enter a sprawling city of dark elves, spread out across a network of caverns, houses and buildings carved out of the rock. The place is lit by magical light, and you are escorted through streets with marketplaces and homes, shops and trading halls. To you it looks like a normal, though underground, city.

“Lotta ironshirts though” comments Jal as you are led to a large building in the centre of the city. A palace or fortress of some kind. Jals right, you have seen more guard patrols than you would normally expect in a city, two to three times as many.

“Maybe they have a lot of crime here” suggests Isla.

“Nah” says Jal “no filchers an’ no flamping I could eye.”

“She means no pickpockets or street urchins trying tricks” says Sofia.

Your escort doesn’t say much until you reach the large, impressive building in the centre od the city. It is carved from a massive chunk of black-purple rock and to your sight it has a number of strong magical protections. Far below the building you sense another deity, or rather, someone or something with deific power.

Your escort converses with the gate guards and then says to you “Lord Slagredeth invites you to enjoy his hospitality and suggests that you speak in the morning – once you are rested.”

It is now late evening, and your wives all look tired, though you don’t feel fatigued at all.

“He gonna poison us then?” Jal asks as you are all led inside.

“We have been instructed to treat you as honoured guests” says the guard who is showing you all to your room “that means no poisoning.”

“Jus’ checking” she says.

“Are you sure this is a good idea?” Sofia asks you “I mean, dark elves, ruled by a dragon – how much do we trust them?”

You’re shown into your apartment: it is a vast, luxurious suite with several bedrooms, bathrooms and meeting rooms. And thanks to your sight you can see several thin walls with holes for spies to watch you through – though there are no spies you can see currently.

The guard indicates a rope by the door “ring if you need anything” he says.

What do you do?

>Rest, see Slagredeth in the morning
>Ask to see Slagredeth now
>Go out into the city and talk to people
>Other (what?)

>>40174538
>Go out into the city and talk to people

>>40174538
>Go out into the city and talk to people
The people are more important in influencing our decision than the ruler anyway.

>>40174538
>>Rest, see Slagredeth in the morning

>>40174538
>Rest, see Slagredeth in the morning

>>40174538
>Go out into the city and talk to people
With our fellowship, we ought to see if something's fishy.

>>40174538
>Go out into the city and talk to people

>>40174538
>Go out into the city and talk to people

>>40174538
>"Oh, I trust Slagredeth about as far as I can throw him. And given he's an ancient wurm with divine powers, I wouldn't expect that to be very far."

>>40174608
>there still isn't a deific expansion to Titans Strength
Step it up Pally!

Please roll 1d20+27 to go out and chat with the common folk

>>40174626
What would that even look like?

I mean, Titans Strength can do *almost* anything - it just costs DE to use.

>>40174538
>Go out into the city and talk to people
Just trying to sense if they are oppressed or not. Also, are they typical drow or are they less evil?

Rolled 1 + 27 (1d20 + 27)

>>40174658
I've got some ideas.

>>40174658
>*almost*
Well, can it let us throw a divine Wurm? And if yes, how far?

>>40174658
How about an expansion where every DP we spend for a round adds another digit to our maximum lift weight?

Each level we take adds another digit per DP

Rolled 18 + 27 (1d20 + 27)

>>40174658

>>40174678
Why would we expend DP for it? What a waste.

Rolled 9 + 27 (1d20 + 27)

>>40174658

>>40174671
>Well, can it let us throw a divine Wurm? And if yes, how far?

Yes.

Given your DE/HP pool, throwing him into orbit is possible, past that it's not so much *how far* you can throw him more *how long does he take to arrive*.

>>40174706
>throwing him into orbit is possible
Well, found out how we're going to win every fight from now on.

Rolled 5 + 27 (1d20 + 27)

>>40174658

>>40174706
Well shit, so anyone down for punting t

>>40174706
>>40174719
Was trying to say
Well shit, so anyone down for punting the Killing Frost into space?

>>40174734
Teleport, doesn't need air.

Though, if we can throw him fast enough, the Sun might work.

>>40174704
At level five, spend three DP, that's another 5 digits you can bench press. If we're already benching 1 mil, suddenly we're benching 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pounds.

>>40174747
>Teleport
I imagine he could resist forcing him into teleport with his DP.

>>40174752
another 15 digits, not 5 digits.

>>40174752
Eh, that sounds retarded and broken, evil gods would be destroying planes with no save left and right then.

>>40174761
No, I meant he could Teleport back to the planet.

>>40174782
Oh yeah, if he can cast teleport, he could.
We would need to attach a AM field to him then.

>>40174773
The real question is: how did the guy with the STRANTH domain not wreck us completely

>>40174841
Because we haven't met, let alone fought, anyone with the Strength Domain as far as we know?

>>40174853
Well, given those numbers, that seems like something we should stick to.

>>40174901
Those numbers are nonsense, though.

>>40174910
Pretty sure the guy from last thread said the same thing when he got hit by the holy weapons array.

I wonder if Pally bothered doing the math on how much we dealt in the end.

Isla yawns “I guess we get some sleep and talk to him in the morning then.”

“Talk to him in the morning yes” says Jal, embracing Isla from behind “but sleep? Mebbe later...”

“Or” you say, as Isla starts blushing “we can take this time to talk to the people of the city. I mean, facing down a dragon is one thing, but he could lie to us about how he treats people.”

“True” says Isla “I mean; he’s a politician.”

“Hey...” says Sofia, mock-glaring at Isla, her hands on her hips.

“Oh you know what I mean” says Isla, as Jals hands start to slide under her clothes “anyway, we should disguise ourselves as locals, to avoid trouble.”

“Great idea!” says Jal, kissing Isla on the cheek and then heading over to the wardrobes and starts looking through them “no, no, ok, maybe this” she holds up what looks like underwear “once we cut the crotch off...”

“Jal what are you doing?” asks Sofia, giving her an exasperated look

“Getting disguises ready” says Jal “don’t you know – dark elves always dress in skin-tight or really revealing stuff and we wan ter look the part, like dancing girls yeh?”

Isla says in a puzzled tone “I don’t think anyone we saw coming in was dressed that way....”

You don’t recall any of the locals matching the *nearly-naked* stereotype that some dark elf cities are known for.

“We came in during the day” says Jal dismissively “evening wear is gonna be different, besides, who’s the elf here?”

“We came in during the evening!” points out Sofia “and you grew up in a town Jal, you don’t know anything about dark elves.”

Isla adds “um, we can just use illusions.”

Jal looks forlorn “please?” she asks, holding up an outfit with less cloth than a handkerchief in front of her and looking at Sofia past it, clearly trying to visualise what she’d look like it in.

“Let’s just go” says Sofia, trying not to smile.

The four of you, disguised as locals, spend the evening talking to the people of this city – Kalsoreth and discretely asking questions, talking about local issues, and generally trying to gather as much information as possible.

You learn quite a lot. Slagredeth has ruled the underground Kingdom of the dark elves for several hundred years and imposes strict laws on the populace: serious crimes carry the death penalty and even minor crimes such as theft involve a very heavy fine, or a loss of a limb for those who cannot pay.

Very serious crimes, such as treason, often extend (lesser) punishments to family – a traitor will be executed and his family fined.

But the laws apply to all – nobles and commoners, rich and poor. Feuds between noble houses and personal duels used to be common before Slagredeth took over, according to those you talk to, now they are a thing of the past.

As for how he came to rule: apparently Slagredeth just turned up one day and started issuing orders to the noble houses, and killed anyone who disobeyed.

The city, indeed the whole kingdom, has almost no crime, and its residents can walk around at any time of day or night without fear of attack. Mostly they are in favour of his rule.

Some of the old elves you talk to tell tales of what life was like before he came: The nobles used to war and feud with one another, and commoners were caught in the middle. The only laws were made by the council of the ten most powerful houses and the only made laws that benefitted themselves.

Crime was common and life was cheap. The old elves strongly approve of Slagredeths rule.

The younger ones are mixed, many acknowledge the order he bought, but they also think that it’s time they were ruled by their own again, not by a dragon.

In short, Slagredeth took control of a chaotic kingdom of dark elves full of treachery and betrayal, and imposed order. Though a tyrant who holds absolute power, for many who live here, his ways are a step up from the way things used to be.

You only get to talk to a few lesser members of the noble houses, and whilst they profess loyalty to Slagredeth, it seems forced, as though they’d rather not. One drunken guard who claims to serve a noble family says that the nobles hate Slagredeth, due to the restrictions he placed upon them – no slaves and no murdering commoners for example. He claims they are constantly trying to kill their draconic ruler.

What now?
>Head back, sleep
>Try to find out answers to specific questions (what?)
>Other (what?)

>>40175107
I bet the "rebells" are the remnants of those driven out old noble houses that want to live in sweet debauchery again. Fuck these guys.

>>40175111
>Head back, sleep

>their draconic ruler
Heh, we will see this pun more often I suspect.

>>40175111
>Head back, sleep

>>40175099
Poor Jal, shut down every which way. All she wanted was lewdness!
>Try to find out answers to specific questions (what?)
Let's find out all we can about the rebel faction. While I doubt we can get perfect info, discovering whether they're led by idealists really out for trying something new, or someone wanting the old system returned, would be very useful.

>>40175111
>Head back, sleep

>>40175111
>turns chaotic violent drow cities orderly and safe
>kills selfish assholes who exploit the population
>established absolute rulership to keep the violent tendencies of the population in check
Looks like Sireyi found her soul mate.

>>40175111
>Head back, sleep
I wonder what exactly the rebel faction wants after they depose the dragon.
To have things back the way they were in the old times? Or keep things be orderly and not have the nobles do whatever they want, but without a dragon tyrant?

>>40175137
>discovering whether they're led by idealists really out for trying something new, or someone wanting the old system returned, would be very useful
The far more important question would be, can the idealists keep order after he is gone against the noble houses who would inevitably try to retake power.
Because I don't really feel like leaving a bloody civil war in our wake.

>>40175129
>I bet the "rebells" are the remnants of those driven out old noble houses that want to live in sweet debauchery again. Fuck these guys.
I bet they are. And yes, fuck them.
I kinda like this Slagredeth guy. If he is actually a god I think we should invite him to our little pantheon.

>>40175172
Sure, but I think that's a question for later. If it turns out they're obviously nobles, or put up a front of youthful independence movement to hide the fact that the leaders are plotting to sabotage any proper government from the inside, that question is pointless anyway.

>>40175111
>>40175137
Second.

>>40175168
Considering what they yelled during the ambush, they want the old times to return.

>>40175205
I suspect there is both here, similar to Drache. The majority of resources of this movement probably comes from asshole nobles, but I assume they also recruit their manpower from actual idealists.

Might be that Oreia could see a migration of Drow sometime soon if thats the case.

>>40175111
>Put Jal's suggested clothes
>Head back, sleep. Or "sleep"
Let's throw Jal a bone.

Writing sleep + meeting with the dragon

You'll get a chance to meet with the rebels directly.

>>40175190
cordial relations with the lesser evil would be a relativity big step form wide eyed idealist to realpolitiken for Sireyi.

>>40175222
Why would they want to leave their lawful dictatorship under a foreign god underground to live in a lawful dictatorship under a foreign god but above?

>>40175240
Slagradeth isn't even a lesser evil. He's Lawful Neutral with Good tendencies from what we've seen so far.

>>40175137
>tfw Jal
>just want to have fun with your waifus, make them feel good
>stupid stuff like politics, nation-building, lives of entire peoples, responsibilities of goddess paladin queening gets in the way
>tfw busy gfs

>>40175222
True, and since they're apparently united in one faction, we probably can't avoid the risk of the nobles exerting influence. But we'll see.

>>40175240
Not really, its not realpolitik to not throw a kingdom that works pretty well into chaos and anarchy just because the ruler pings our detect evil.
Sireyi was always very realistic about these things, despite her idealism.

>>40175241
I meant those Drow that apparently don't like living under the dragon overlord, those of the rebells that aren't asshole nobles could like living in Oreia instead.

>>40175240
In what way is he evil? He forbade slavery, he made this city safe and he actually contacted us right away to try to negotiate. He is actually a good guy.

>>40175255
>He's Lawful Neutral with Good tendencies from what we've seen so far.
The whole police state/ruling with iron fist strikes me more as a reasonable Lawful Evil.

>>40175273
>In what way is he evil?
Punishing people for stuff other people do, is kinda evil.

Does the alignment matter at all? We have no reason to assist the rebels.

>>40175284
>Punishing people for stuff other people do, is kinda evil.
It's not perfect, but it should prevent drow from doing drow things and plotting evil plots. Besides, it's just a fine.

>>40175284
>The whole police state/ruling with iron fist strikes me more as a reasonable Lawful Evil.
Benevolent tyranny is a thing.

>Punishing people for stuff other people do, is kinda evil.
If he was evil, he'd just execute the families of traitors instead of just fining them. It's neutral at worst.

>>40175315
Well, we're not going to throw this government into chaos after seeing that it's pretty alright, but I don't think we should abandon the situation and risk the rebellion escalating into a civil war. I'm sure an agreement can be reached.

>>40175315
But it's their tradition to keep slaves and slaughter commoners, anon! How can you say that they don't have their rights to do so? We must slay the evil beast and bring these freedoms to the poor oppressed nobles!

>>40175323
Well, I didn't say its incredibly tyrannical and we should give him a ultimatum to stop it or smiting happens.
I'm just saying it indicates somewhat evil tendencies.

>>40175315
>Does the alignment matter at all?
Tangentially, as a free-willed entitiy if he is Evil, then he will have done stuff that makes him that.

>We have no reason to assist the rebels.
We have sofar no reason to assist their overthrowing of the current rule. I can somewhat sympathize with them not wanting to live in the current conditions, and those that want to live more free instead of wanting to murder peasents again could be helped I think.

>>40175335
>Benevolent tyranny is a thing.
And a Lawful Evil person is capable of benevolent tyranny.

>>40175335
>Benevolent tyranny is a thing.
Thats is pretty much what reasonable Lawful Evil is, the difference is the reason for the benevolence.

>>40175367
It's Drow. A bit of heavy-handedness is necessary to keep the common-folk happy.

Especially if what we hear from people is true.

>>40175403
>It's Drow. A bit of heavy-handedness is necessary to keep the common-folk happy.
Drow aren't like demons that they tend to evil by nature, its a cultural thing.
So he definitly isn't invested in making them less evil as far as we can tell.

But then again, that doesn't make him much different from Sireyi.

>>40175367
>>40175381
The government is lawful neutral. Nothing about it is evil, none of the laws are unreasonable, nor are the punishments, it doesn't give superior rights to nobles over commoners. If anything, I'd say it's a less evil government than Dornmer.

>>40175433
He stopped backstabbing, murder and slavery. The staples of drow culture.

I don't know about you, but this seems like something that would make a society less evil in the long run.

>>40175433
No, but the previous culture was definitely NE at best. IMO, LE is still a better alternative, so unless we want to make this one of OUR nations, we let Slagredeth stay in charge.

This Slag dragon (is it a she?) seems like he's not evil enough to warrant an intervention.
Then again, can't blame the elves for wanting freedom and representation. Maybe we could offer asylum to the rebels, if they feel that they can't live under this tyranny?

Anons, anons. Let's set aside this argument for after we've met both sides and can judge with more information.

Instead, we can focus on the most important question posed so far: is Jal right about the evening wear?

>>40175454
>Nothing about it is evil, none of the laws are unreasonable, nor are the punishments
Again, punishing people for shit they didn't do is definitly not merely neutral.
And we aren't discussing the aligment of the goverment, we discuss the aligment of the person who is the goverment. Thats a difference.
He could easily be anything from Lawful neutral to Neutral Evil, depending on his motivations.
Maybe a incredibly jaded Lawful Good, I mean, its a very shitty place he has to deal with.
But Lawful Evil seems the most likely to me right now.

>>40175468
> IMO, LE is still a better alternative, so unless we want to make this one of OUR nations, we let Slagredeth stay in charge.
Well I agree, I see no reason not to, I don't think if he is Evil or not matters that much to the question of if he should stay in charge.

>>40175489
>Maybe we could offer asylum to the rebels, if they feel that they can't live under this tyranny?
Thats seems like the most reasonable solution as things are, although I'm sure there is more to this than we know right now.

>>40175489
Yesss, let's invite those slave-owning peasant-murdering assholes to our realm. What could go wrong?

>>40175489
Maybe getting Slag to allow some form of parliamentary body would help with the rebels chafing under his rule?

Pretty sure it was mentioned Slagradeth was male.

>>40175515
No, but we'll still wear it for her in private.

>>40175526
>What could go wrong?
Not much considering they would have to still follow Oreian laws and deal with succubi fresh out of hell who would have less than zero patience with that sort of bullshit.

>>40175489
Please. If they weren't rebelling under the despots of the previous reign, then they don't really care about freedom or representation. I'm gonna say they're a bunch of kids fed lies and funded by the old ruling houses.

Seriously, who goes to war over shit like, "LET THE NOBLES MURDER COMMONERS!" They either are paid mercenaries who don't give a shit, or too young to know what life under the great houses was really like.

Or actual former members of the great houses.

>>40175551
>If they weren't rebelling under the despots of the previous reign, then they don't really care about freedom or representation.
Or they weren't born then, anon.
That was centuries ago.

>>40175533
I guess we can make it up to her in that way. But still, we better watch out just in case, wouldn't do to get caught unaware!

>>40175558
Which I said. They don't really know what it is they're fighting for. They have some old assholes stroking their egos and driving them to fight. Poor kids have been deluded, but that doesn't mean we should let the old shits seek refuge in Oreia.

>>40175533
>Maybe getting Slag to allow some form of parliamentary body would help with the rebels chafing under his rule?
We have no business telling him how to do his goverment, for the same reasons we wouldn't le tthe king of Dornmer tell us how to run Oreia.

>>40175575
>They don't really know what it is they're fighting for.
Thats assuming they fight for a return to the old ways instead of wanting something actually new and better. Which we don't know yet.
Most likely they are being supported by people who want the old ways back, but we have no idea yet if they might not actually know that.
Our sister was in the same boat back in Drache, if you remember.

>>40175526
>implying all the rebels are slave owning peasant murderers
you know, not everyone in a rebellion is a manipulative mastermind, some have legitimate grievances.

>>40175551
>too young to know what life under the great houses was really like
we could benefit from having these, and the rest would either refuse our offer (because they want their power here) and mercs are neutral either way.

If anything, siphoning away idealistic youth and merc muscle would benefit slag's regime and harm the revolting nobles.

>>40175515
>>40175533
No, we don't have any reason to interfere with the government. It's working, even if it's different from ours. "Representation" will only empower the nobles again.

And for fuck's sake, no inviting the rebels to Oreia.

“Finding out more about the rebels would useful” muses Sofia, as the four of you stop for a drink in a late-night tavern of some kind – the local specialty *kaf* is really quite nice, though you notice Jal is talking faster after her sixth cup, and bouncing in her seat.

“Yeah” says Isla, combining her statement with a yawn “but I’m tired, also anything we learn will be rumours and hearsay – let’s wait until we get to speak to the rebels directly.”

“Yes...” says Sofia, resting her head on Isla’s shoulder, half asleep “sleep...”
---
The next morning you are served a sumptuous breakfast and after stopping Jal from taking *souvenirs* from the wardrobes you are all escorted to the top of the palace.

You are atop the palace and from here you can see almost all the city. There are rising circular rows of seats and in the middle is a vast open pit, stretching deep into the palace and below.

“So where’s His Nibs?” asks Jal.

You feel the deific presence rising to meet you, Slagredeth you assume.

Out of the central pit rises a massive dragons head and neck, a far longer neck than any dragons you’ve ever seen, though going by the head, Slagredeth isn’t the largest dragon you’ve ever seen. In fact he seems more like a massive serpent than the more lizard-like dragons you are used to. He has no forelimbs that you can see either – just a head on a long neck. His scales are hues of grey and brown and his eyes black pits.

“Good morning” he says, looking down on you all “The Goddess Sireyi I presume? And friends?”

His voice booms out across the rooftop, but he speaks in a soft, diplomatic tone. He is the source of the deific power you sensed. You have little experience in gauging another gods strength, but you think his power is greater than yours, but not by much. You can also detect strong evil coming from him.

“I am” you say “and this is Jallarial, Baroness Sofia, and Isla – my wives.”

>>40175617
And I don't think that they would want to live in an above ground frozen shithole that is Oreia right now.

>>40175617
>And for fuck's sake, no inviting the rebels to Oreia.
If there are people there who really just want to have a less opressive goverment, I see no reason not to make the offer to them.
I really doubt many of the nobles would hear "Succubus kingdom ruled by incredibly powerful angel goddess" and think they could get back to slavery and peasent murdering there. So most of them won't follow anyway, and the few that do don't really matter.
What will they do against the succubut majority tha literally worships Sireyi? The succubutts being immortal and the drow nobles not.

Slagredeth gives them each a polite nod: Jal and Sofia return it, Isla curtseys.

“I trust your journey was pleasant” says Slagredeth...

After a few minutes of small talk, he gets around to why he asked to meet you “I expect you came looking for the Reapers Blade?”

“Yes” you see no reason to hide it.

Slagredeth snorts “Ilnost and his pantheon had quite an impressive regalia between them” he says “but only that one gets talked about. I no longer have it, though I know where to find it, and can even help you if you so require.”

“And what would you want from me?” you ask.

“Your word that you will take it far away from here” says Slagredeth “and don’t bring it back, ever.”

“Why?” asks Sofia bluntly

“Because it might just be the only weapon on this plane that could kill me” says Slagredeth “I Kept it as a trophy, a memento, but now it’s just a problem. I’ll tell you where to find it, as long as you give me your word that you won’t bring it back to this plane.”

“That’s kinda trusting ain’t it?” says Jal

Slagredeth responds “your wife is an angel, I’ll trust her word on this.”

“So where is it?” asks Isla

“First” says Slagredeth, looking at you “I want your word – or would you rather talk about things first, my guards did tell me you plan to meet with the rebels after all.”

Your response?
>Promise to never return the Reapers Blade to this plane (exclusive)
>Ask how he became the ruler here
>Ask about his deific powers
>Ask about the rebels
>Ask other questions (what?)
>Other (what?)

>>40175656
You don't fucking know that, shut the fuck up.

>>40175636
>Stopping Jal
Butwhy.jpg
Stupid Sireyi sense of justice...

>>40175661
>Promise to never return the Reapers Blade to this plane (exclusive)
Good enough to me

>>40175661
>Ask how he became the ruler here
>Ask about his deific powers
>Ask about the rebels
>Ask about his evilness

>>40175661
>Promise to never return the Reapers Blade to this plane (exclusive)
>Ask for some of the local fashion accessories, picked by Jal

Upgrades and XP in the process of being added.

>>40175661
>Promise to never return the Reapers Blade to this plane (exclusive)
Could this trap be more obvious? I don't think so. But nothing we can do about it right now.

>>40175667
Calm your tits.

>>40175661
>Ask about the Rebels.
"Do they actually fight for a cause, or are they being misled?

>>40175661
>Slagredeth responds “your wife is an angel, I’ll trust her word on this.”
You know, it loses a little charm when it's literal...but still feels like a compliment.
>Ask about his deific powers
>Ask about the rebels

>>40175661
>Promise to never return the Reapers Blade to this plane (exclusive)
>Ask for some of the local fashion accessories, picked by Jal
Heh. Poor Jal. Doesn't feel right to talk about this with him, but I want to make her happy.

>>40175661
>Well I was just going to solve your rebel problem as an afterthought. I hear Drache is quite alright for dark elves nowadays.
>Promise to never return the Reapers Blade to this plane

>>40175705
That's just asking for "They are idiots" as an answer.

>>40175661
>Ask about the rebels

>>40175667
There is nothing in that post that we don't know actually.
We know Oreia has a majoprity succubi, we know they are immortal and the drow nobles are not. And we know the few nobles wouldn't be able to do shit in Oreia to upset things.
What, you think a few drow nobles can outscheme frikkin succubi?

>>40175661
>Promise to never return the Reapers Blade to this plane (exclusive)

Seriously, you don't even want to know why he detects as evil?

>>40175711
Hmmm, I'll actually support letting Jal run wild a little (better some harmless dressup than making her hold it all in) but is there any reason to ask the dragon rather than simply go shopping for it?

>>40175661
>Promise to never return the Reapers Blade to this plane (exclusive)

>>40175739
Probably because he's evil.

>>40175739
No. All I want is to get out of here.

>>40175661
>Ask how he became the ruler here
>Ask about the rebels
>Ask what he thinks of his subjects

>>40175661
>Ask about the rebels
>Ask about the Reapers Blade, can he promise us its not being here would not cause any sort of casualties? Change the plane in some fashion?

>>40175744
More like a reminder for anons than an actual action for Sireyi. Or maybe, diplomatic gifts and all that politicking.

>>40175753
Play the character, anon. Sireyi is supposed to help the helpless and shit.

>>40175661
>Ask how he became the ruler here
>Ask about his deific powers
>Ask about the rebels
>Ask about why he's detecting as evil
Maybe he used to be a bad guy but isn't anymore, maybe his race is like demons and detect as evil, maybe he ate the god-essence of some evil gods and we're picking that up. There are plenty of rational explanations.

>>40175753
Why so anon?

>>40175770
Which is why we will talk to the rebels. We only promise to take it far away and don't bring it back. Nothing about what we do with it before we leave.

>>40175770
No one here is helpless. The unarmed citizens are mostly content with the current rule and the rebels are armed and dangerous.
Sireyi has no reason to help an armed movement who opposes a government with major popular support.

>>40175786
>Sireyi has no reason to help an armed movement who opposes a government with major popular support.
What if that government has the School of Enchantment upgrade?

>>40175776
All of my support.

>>40175786
There is a very significant chance he wants the Blade gone because it hinders some actually evil plan he has.

>Ask how he became the ruler here
He bullied the nobles and took control.
>Ask about his deific powers
He ate a deity or two
>Ask about the rebels
They are assholes, from what we saw, might be a reasonable thing to ask about
>Ask about why he's detecting as evil
He ate a deity or two

>>40175821
>He ate a deity or two
Eating corpses isn't evil.

Wow that actually appears to be a tie between promising, and asking questions, so I'm going to write both.

This may take a while.

I dunno why people are so offended by the idea of the guy just being evil. He's just evil. Why is it so outlandish to you that he can be a perfectly reasonable guy while being evil?

>>40175786
She can, however, take the non-evil rebels somewhere else. If they want dark elves to rule themselves again, I recall that on Drache's plane, the dark elves took over the elven cities due to elves being near extinct there.

>>40175793
I don't follow, could you please explain?
>>40175809
What reasosn do you have to assume that? I think there are significant chances he wants the blade gone because the rebels keep trying to steal it and use it on him instead.

>>40175845
>I don't follow, could you please explain?
>School of Enchantment: Your mages guild has its own school of Enchantment where students can learn all sorts of useful charm and enchantment spells. You can set Realm Approval to whatever level you want it to be, as well as military morale. No one ever leaves your realm if you don't want them to.

>>40175844
Hmm, maybe, yeah. It would be a long and tiring process to screen the rebels, and probably have to deal with a plots and schemes, though.

>>40175845
>What reasosn do you have to assume that?
Because thats a very specific promise he is expecting there. He could have just asked us to make sure its not used against him, but he specifically asked us to not bring it back.

I dunno, maybe the whole "serpentine dragon who seems like a reasonable guy but is clearly evil" just reminds me too much of a certain someone.

>>40175861
Ah. That could be a reasonable suspect, but because the younger generation has different opinions and thoughts than the older generation of elves, I think that it unlikely.

>>40175890
If I were a evil orverlord I would make sure the different parts of the population disagree about a lot of stuff too. Better they argue with eachother instead of uniting against me.
Which is also likely the reason for him to be such a reasonable and benevolent ruler, if the common folk know they live better under him than under their own rulers, they won't support any overthrowing.
Its a pretty good setup IMO.

>>40175914
If you made the common folk's lives good then you wouldn't be much of an evil overlord.

>>40175943
We don't know about it being 'good', we only know its better than before.
I'm willing to bet it could be better if he bothered to.
Him being a evil overlord doesn't mean he needs to go out of his way to make their lives miserable. Why would he bother?

>>40175890
Don't Drow get spell resistance? Wouldn't the younglings have gotten a lot of in-utero exposure to enchantment effects, possibly enhancing their spell resistance to them even further? Alternatively, it's harder for the effect to work on the younger generations through the power of teenage rebellion and hormones.

>>40175943
They inhabit a place full of vampire lords and roaming undeads.
'Good' is very relative.

>>40175978
>Don't Drow get spell resistance?
We don't know if its true in this setting.

>Wouldn't the younglings have gotten a lot of in-utero exposure to enchantment effects, possibly enhancing their spell resistance to them even further?
That seems like very baseless speculation, Sireyi didn't get more resistance to storm magic either.

If this lace turns out to be actually a decent kingdom with a reasonable ruler, maybe we should talk about trade relationships with Oreia?
Seems like both of us could benefit there.

>>40176002
Sireyi did start getting electrical resistance right around the time she became an adult, though.

>>40176060
Oreia is a barter economy without its own coin. Trade with anyone is unlikely for a while.

>>40176066
Did she? I don't remember that.
Her storm heritage came out later though, so it might just be a Half-Celestial trait.

“Well since you mentioned it” you say “tell me about the rebellion.”

Slagredeth sighs “A mixed group” he says “remnants of the old noble houses that wouldn’t submit to my rule fled into the wilderness and started the rebellion. They enjoy the sympathies of many of the houses that publically accept my rule. They’ve also heavily started recruiting from the younger generations, telling them that the stories of what life used to be like before me are propaganda I’ve spread. They paint a much kinder picture for the young, and the current generation seems to want to believe that things used to be much better than they are now. And lastly and most importantly, there are four other dark elf nations nearby – they are in regular contact with the rebels – indeed it was their agents that stole the Reapers Blade from me.”

“Ah so the rebels have it now” you say “and you want me to retrieve it.”

“I do” admits Slagredeth

“Why not just retrieve it yourself?” asks Isla

“My dear young lady” says Slagredeth “you don’t get to my age by taking risks when someone else is willing to take them for you” To you he adds “I was going to send agents to retrieve it before I noticed your arrival, but....”

“But” you prompt him

“The nations of Hormyth and Ylaxis have sent a large number of powerful mages to guard the weapon” says Slagredeth peevishly “I would lose a lot of agents trying to retrieve it.”

“Why haven’t they tried to use it on you already?” Sofia asks him.

“According to my spies within the rebels” says Slagredeth “touching the Reapers Blade is fatal for mortals. Their mages are working on a way around that problem, and they’re moving it from place to place regularly, to make it harder to recapture.”

“You mentioned that you could help me” you say.

>>40176079
Anon, people traded long before coins existed.

Oreia has their own coinage now anyway, we talked about it last thread.

“I can” says Slagredeth “I kept the Reapers Blade in an invisible adamantine box for centuries, it should give you a strong enough link to simply scry it out, quickly teleport in, grab it and return.”

“It will be shielded against scrying and teleportation” points out Isla

“Not a problem for a Goddess” says Slagredeth “Is it?”

No, for you, this could be a very simple job indeed. But you did promise to speak to the rebels...

“I promise that once I have the Reapers Blade” you say “I will never return it to this plane, but” you add, raising a finger “I will talk to the rebels first, they might be convinced to give it up peacefully after all.”

“As you wish” says Slagredeth “I can put you in contact with them easily. Is there anything else you need?”

Is there?
>No (meet with rebels, exclusive)
>Ask question (what?)
>Suggest trade between your nations
>Other (what?)

>>40176079
You are not up-to-date with your info anon.

>>40176105
>Suggest trade between your nations
After we talked to the rebels, of course.

>>40176105
>Suggest trade between your nations

>>40176105
>Suggest trade between your nations
Particularly certain skimpy outfits...

>>40176105
>Suggest trade between your nations

>>40176105
>Ask about why he detects as evil
>Suggest trade between your nations

>>40176079
>Oreia is a barter economy without its own coin
You mean like all of humanity for the majority of history?
You think people didn't trade back then?

>>40176105
>Ask question (what?)
>Does he have plans to deal with the other Drow nations after the Reapers Blade is removed?
>Suggest trade between your nations

>>40176105

>Suggest trade between your nations

Please roll 1d20+25 for sensing motives

Rolled 11 + 25 (1d20 + 25)

>>40176278

>>40176278

Rolled 8 + 25 (1d20 + 25)

>>40176278

Rolled 7 (1d20)

>>40176278

Rolled 5 + 25 (1d20 + 25)

>>40176278

Not going to ask about spending DP due to circumstances.

>>40176352
Yeah, thats probably for the best.

“In addition to being a Goddess” you say “I also rule my own nation, I was wondering if we might arrange some sort of trade between our two realms.”

“Three realms” says Sofia under her breath

“Four” adds Jal quietly “but lemme tell Blue ok? I might be able ter use it ter get er right in the position I want her....”

“Between Kelsoreth and others” you correct “Trade might benefit all involved.”

“How true” says Slagredeth “please, tell me about your Realms.”

You tell him about Oreia, and The Azure Empire, and also Dalvin.

“That’s unusual” comments the dragon “demons worshipping an angel.”

“It took some getting used to” you say.

“That must have been quite a boost to your powers” muses Slagredeth “In any case
I accept” he agreed a little too quickly, you think, he wants something else...

“I can have my own mages arrange suitable gateways” offers Slagredeth “and I was wondering....”

Here it comes...

“If you have many avatars yet?” says Slagredeth

“Just one so far” you say cautiously “my sister.”

“”Your realm, Oreia” says Slagredeth “it seems like it could benefit from a certain boost in capital, or some experts in certain areas.”

Is he suggesting....

“I can provide those” says Slagredeth “in return for a portion of your deific power.”

Isla inhales suddenly “Of course” she says “no churches, no temples, or priests.”

You recall what you didn’t see any evidence of last night – no religion, organised or otherwise.

“Yes” says Slagredeth simply “I banned the worship of the dark elven gods – it was they who created the society I had to change, so I saw no reason to allow their worship. I understand the rebels harbour their remaining followers. In any case their gods are as treacherous and chaotic as you would expect, and my own deific abilities are...borrowed. In time I will use them all up and will be *just* an ordinary dragon.” You detect no small amount of bitterness in his voice.

“Who do the people in your nation worship?” asks Sofia.

“No one at the moment” answers Slagredeth.

What do you do?

>Bargain with him (options in next post)
>Discuss this later (meet with rebels first)
>Other (what?)

>>40176652
>Discuss this later (meet with rebels first)

>>40176652
>Discuss this later (meet with rebels first)
I have no issue with leting him run his kingdom his way, but I'm not sure about directly sponsoring his reign.
I'm actually inclined to maybe pray to Velya about this.

>>40176632
I wonder how this lad would feel about Konig.

If he's what he makes effort to seem, they should get along fine.

>>40176652
>Discuss this later (meet with rebels first)
I am very torn about this now.

>>40176652
>Discuss this later (meet with rebels first)
Shouldn't we also talk to Blue about this? A significant amount of our DP comes from her followers, and she gets DP from us too.
I suspect she will agree, it seems like her sort of thing.

>>40176652
>Bargain with him (options in next post)
So I think we get his citizens as followers, and give him a big chunk of power that we would get from them. In return he has to change a few laws to be less draconian. Also, we should confirm if his evilness is caused by him being evil or by him borrowing the power of evil gods.

I do not at all like giving him part of our power. Yet yet anyways when we will probably need every scrap of it for killing the Killing Frost and for the potential god war.

>>40176805
>So I think we get his citizens as followers, and give him a big chunk of power that we would get from them.
I dislike forcing people to worship someone to our benefit.
Even Blues followers worship her because she makes a effort to appeal to them as deity, not by force.

Please roll me another 1d20+25

This is for when talking to rebels, in the next scene

Rolled 19 + 25 (1d20 + 25)

>>40176852

Rolled 2 + 25 (1d20 + 25)

>>40176852

>>40176842
We wouldn't force anyone, we will just send some priests over and they will start converting people. We will also forbid him from forcing others to convert and allow worship of other good and neutral gods.

>>40176816
I think if we do it, it should be next year, after we made all our DP payments for succubus domain and giving Blue her share of DP, after that we have enough of it to deal with the Frost and give him a reasonable amount.

Rolled 2 + 25 (1d20 + 25)

>>40176852

>>40176907
Guys, this empire of his has a ton of free followers. We'll just let him convert his people, overseen by our priests, and then split the DP gained through that.

>>40176893
>we will just send some priests over and they will start converting people
I don't think Sireyi si already at the point where she would feel comfortable actively encouraging people to worship her.
She doesn't even do it in Oreia.
Her 'church' is a bunch of succubi who want to leave decent lives in her image and stuf, she has no doctrine or creed to preach to people.

>>40176935
>this empire of his has a ton of free followers
Its not a empire, its a city state.
We have no idea how large the population is, and how many of those would even want to worship Sireyi. Its rather unlikely a lot of them would, actually. Being evil drow that require draconian overlords.

>>40176935
I like how you automatically assume they are just waiting to worship us, despite nothing even remotly suggesting that.

>>40177012
If they don't then this guy gets no DP. Getting them to worship us would be his problem. Besides, there is literally no competition, so yeah, there's that.

Guys, spreading Sireyi's religion to this place will inevitably bring changes to how the government works. It's a win-win situation.

>>40177041
Then he'd force them to worship us, which is what we want to avoid. They've been without gods for centuries, atheism is our greatest competitor here.

I'm not against the idea of making him our Avatar and spreading our religion here, but don't be retarded with your assumptions or plans.

>>40177044
>It's a win-win situation.
I don't consider people using Sireyi history of overthrowing tyrannic regimes as rallying cry to throw this kingdom into a civil war a "win".

>>40177041
>Getting them to worship us would be his problem.
No, how and why people worship Sireyi is very much her problem.

> Besides, there is literally no competition, so yeah, there's that.
They seem to be fine with having none sofar, why would they worship someone just to have someone to worship?
Sireyi is incredibly stingy with priesthood too, so not even would incentive them.

>>40177074
I didn't mean overthrow the current regime, I meant bring changes to it. The dragon will still be in power, but will probably have to loose his rule a bit to fit with Sireyi's ideals, not to mention have to care for the people more.
We don't know how well the social programs in this place are, if there are any. Maybe there are tons of orphans unattended for, for example.

>>40177071
We wouldn't allow him to force them to, since we control the DP lines. Besides, there wasn't much of a problem getting the orcs to worship us, why should the drow be any different?

>>40177099
>I didn't mean overthrow the current regime
You didn't, but that can very well be the result from that sort of meddling.

>>40177102
>there wasn't much of a problem getting the orcs to worship us, why should the drow be any different?
Because the Orcs wanted to worship Blue, she made a effort to appeal to them as deity. All things not applying here.

Oh, and also because they are completly different people living in a completly different situation.

>>40177102
>We wouldn't allow him to force them to, since we control the DP lines
The non-existent DP line since we aren't giving him any unless we get worshipers, you mean? The one he doesn't technically need in the first place due to still having Deific Power from those Gods he ate?

>Besides, there wasn't much of a problem getting the orcs to worship us, why should the drow be any different?
Because our Sister already had them worshiping her as a god of battle.

>>40177106
Explain how a religion that supports the current government can start a revolution against said government?

>>40177102
>. Besides, there wasn't much of a problem getting the orcs to worship us
They mostly worship Blue. Sireyi is a minor related deity to them. Its silly to assume the would still worship us on our own.

>>40177127
>Explain how a religion that supports the current government can start a revolution against said government?
Hahahahahahah
Hahahha

Oh wow. Are you for real?
We literally have a side-quest dealing with this exact sort of shit as its main plot.

The people who follow a religion don't necessarily agree with the choices the institution makes maybe?

“I will need time to consider such a generous offer” you say diplomatically “and thank you. For now though, I would like to meet the rebels.”

Slagredeth looks disappointed “I’ll set up a meeting” he says.
---
Several hours later, you and your wives are sat around a table in a cramped room at an inn, in a small town a long way away from the capital.

Through an arranged *coincidence* the rebellion was able to make contact with you, and you are now talking to some (if perhaps not all) of the rebel leaders.

Across the other side of the table is:

Silyana: A young dark elf commoner. She is fiery and emotional, and seems to genuinely believe in the rebellions ideals of freedom and justice and rule of the people.

Gilthanis: An older dark elf man who carries himself with a graceful air and wears expensie, though faded clothes. He doesn’t hide his noble houses past but claims to have had a *revelation* about the way the nation of Kelsoreth should be run. He supports Silyana’s ideals, or at least he claims to, his eyes tell you his support is likely not genuine.

Lady Anrachis: A noblewoman and priestess of the dark elf pantheon. She is unable to hide her hatred of Slagredeth and claims he is a living blasphemy – having eaten the flesh of dead gods. She is coy about the nature of the dark elf gods – only saying they are the rightful gods of her people.

Kiluthrin and Hathwyn: Two dark elven men whom you suspect are not native to Kelsoreth. They claim to represent merchants guilds unhappy with Slagredeths taxes and punishments for *aggressive business practises* (such as short-weighting and counterfeiting coins). But to you, they seem like they represent other interested parties – such as other nations. Either way they hint at resources a group of merchants shouldn’t have.

All except Silyana detect as evil. All have a lot of magical objects upon them. Silyanas are primarily martial (weapons, armour), the others have various anti-scrying, protections against poisons, magical attacks, as well as items that allow them to poison or attack a person at a distance.

“If you are able to rid us of Slagredeth” says Silyana “The ordinary people would rise up in revolt, once he is gone most of his guards and soldiers would flee or surrender.”

You just asked then exactly what they needed you to do.

“Perhaps not all” says Gilthanis “but we have enough troops to handle those that don’t, and, as Silyana has said, the common people” You detect a tone of contempt in his voice “would rise to help us.”

“You only need to rid us of the unholy monster” says Lady Anrachis “We can take it from there, once we give you the-”

“What we’re saying” says Hathwyn, cutting Lady Anrachis off “is that we only need to deal with the wurm himself, nothing else.”

They have not yet mentioned the Reapers Blade.

“Can you do that?” asks Hathwyn, sounding sceptical. KIluthrin just watches you all. Your wives haven’t spoken, all seem calm.

How do you respond?
>Ask them how the nation would be run, afterwards
>Ask them about the factions they represent
>Ask if they have the Reapers Blade
>Ask about help from the other nations
>Tell them you will help them (options for specifics in next post)
>Leave (and go back to Slagredeth?)
>Other (what?)

>>40177175
>Ask them how the nation would be run, afterwards
>Ask them about the factions they represent
>Ask them if those that are unhappy with the current rule, might not consider trying a different life somewhere else

>>40177175
>Ask if they have the Reapers Blade
>Ask about help from the other nations

I will consent to giving him DP if
* The Dark Elves/Drow wish to worship us voluntarily.

*He follows us as his leader.

*He makes changes to make things less evil.

If all those things apply we can have Sireyi bring the most good to this place and take some of the evil out of it. Never will I consent ti her forcing people to worship her or giving the Dragon DP to use for evil ends.

>>40177175
>Ask them how the nation would be run, afterwards
>Ask them about the factions they represent
>Ask if they have the Reapers Blade
>Ask Silyana if usurpation is the only way she sees to deal with the current situation. What sort of things is she specifically looking for a in a goverment?

>>40177175
>Ask if they have the Reapers Blade
>Lie to them and ask for the Reapers Blade to use against the dragon

>>40177175
We could tell them that we probably can force the wurm to change his rule without needing to kill him.
Of course, this will only work with the only good rebel leader.

>>40177175
>Ask them how the nation would be run, afterwards
>Ask them about the factions they represent
>Ask them if those that are unhappy with the current rule, might not consider trying a different life somewhere else
>Ask Silyana if usurpation is the only way she sees to deal with the current situation. What sort of things is she specifically looking for a in a goverment?

>>40177228
So it works with everyone that matters, then?

>>40177175
>Ask them how the nation would be run, afterwards
>Ask them about the factions they represent
>Ask them about their gods, no walking around it
>>Ask if they have the Reapers Blade

Yeah, worm dragon is already starting to look like the better choice here. These people are going to rip eachother to pieces trying to gain control the moment he dies.

>>40177193
For me there are two option shere, if we agree to the deal.
A one time deal, where he gets a set amount of DP from us once in exchange for whatever services.
In that case I would just leave him to keep running things as he wishes and offer the actually decent people that want some change to come with us to Oreia.

IF we make a more permanent arrangement, than changes need to happen in a few select issues.
I don't care if the Drow worship us or not, they can, if they want, I suspect our succubi will try o convert them on their own anyway.

>>40177175
Worst rebel assortment ever.

It would be nice to meet with Silyana in separation though, perhaps offer her the chance to leave, or show her how other countries work.

Ah well, for now
>Ask them how the nation would be run afterwards
>Ask them about factions they represent
>Point out possible points where their interests after overthrowing Slagredeth would clash, like rights of commoners, social impacts of "aggressive business practices" or doctrine of the evil gods regarding nobles/commoners/merchants etc.
let's see how strong their coalition is.

>>40177175
>Ask them how the nation would be run, afterwards
>Ask them about the factions they represent
>Ask them if those that are unhappy with the current rule, might not consider trying a different life somewhere else
>Ask Silyana if usurpation is the only way she sees to deal with the current situation. What sort of things is she specifically looking for a in a goverment?

>>40177228
>We could tell them that we probably can force the wurm to change his rule without needing to kill him.
I wouldn't be so sure he will be willing to make the changes they want even with our deal. Many of the opressive laws he has are probably there for a good reason.
He won't be willing risking to let infiltrators or nobility fuck everything up for him to get that DP.

>>40177193
It's a big decision for us. I'd offer the dragon a choice: a fair and equitable trade deal with no strings attached, or, if he desires access to our divine powers
>religious freedom for good and neutral gods as bare minimum, or perhaps evil gods as well as long as breach of mundane law is not involved (like live sacrifices)
>freedom of movement - his subjects that do not wish to live under his rule are free to leave
>his word of honour that he would not use the power for evil acts, and that he adjusts his law to be in line with our doctrine - or at least no worse than Blues (which it presumably already is)

ok, asking all the questions, plus asking Silyana if usurpation is the only option

>>40177379
>perhaps evil gods as well as long as breach of mundane law is not involved
No. Evil gods are evil gods because they're fucking dicks. I don't want them getting any Deific Power, period.

>>40177379
>or perhaps evil gods
No. Just no.

>>40177408
I can see wanting to allow full religious freedom.
But evil churches getting a lot of power in the realm would be too much of a risk in my eyes.
Private worship I would consider acceptable, but anymore than that is frankly asking for it.

I'm pretty sure not even Oreia allows the worship of evil gods.

>>40177408
>I don't want them getting any Deific Power, period.
You do realise this only matters if we are willing to give a evil demigod deific power?

>>40177493
I think he only detects as evil because the source of his power are all those evil gods he ate and killed. Which is fucking awesome, if he did that as a normal dragon. But we do have to make sure that's the case and if not then we must make him repent.

>>40177408
>>40177427
Flat ban on evil gods gives them forbidden fruit appeal and promotes idea that "muh elites are using good religions to control the people" (which is to be fair probably true at least in some cases.)

>>40177530
We ban the evil gods, but send in a few of our trusted succubi to pose as priestesses of some made up evil gods. This way we can control all the underground worship of evil gods and make sure it doesn't get out of hand.

>>40177529
>I think he only detects as evil because the source of his power are all those evil gods he ate and killed.
I find it much more likely that Sireyi, as deity, would have been able to tell the difference.
So, while its possible he is secretly not really evil, sofar I have seen literally nothing indicating this might be the case.
So I'm just gonna assume he radiates powerful evil, because he is actually evil, its the more likely scenario that dosn't require any assumptioms to be made.

>>40177530
The same argument could be made for Demon Lords, and we definitly forbid the worship of those.
I do think just outlawing th practices we find bad about evil deity worshiping would be more effective though.
If some deity registers as evil because its the god of undeath or something and is otherwise completly alright like this guy, I see no problem with their worship.

>>40177468
I wouldn't even consider private worship acceptable.

>>40177493
From what we know of evil gods, this guy is a saint in comparison. He's only a moderately strong evil, and even that might not be from his own actions depending on how he got it. I think we can redeem him, even if he is somewhat evil right now.

>>40177530
Yes, but it's still less of a problem than actually allowing the worship legally in the first place. I doubt the followers of evil gods will actually respect the law in regards to parts of their worship being evil or that they'll be as passive in their recruitment.

>>40177597
>that dosn't require any assumptioms to be made.
Except it does, this is all conjecture due to not asking him why.

>If some deity registers as evil because its the god of undeath or something and is otherwise completly alright like this guy, I see no problem with their worship.
That's not how evil works in this setting. Undead aren't even inherently evil, unless they involve enslaving souls.

>>40177601
>He's only a moderately strong evil
> but you think his power is greater than yours, but not by much. You can also detect strong evil coming from him.
Nothing here about it being "only moderatly strong evil", its flat out strong evil.
We don't actually know that much evil deities, and we know enough good/neutral deities who are douchebags.

>>40177597
>So I'm just gonna assume he radiates powerful evil, because he is actually evil,
>is otherwise completly alright like this guy,
I don't fucking get it.

>>40177620
>Except it does, this is all conjecture due to not asking him why.
No, we can literally detect evil, therefore we have strong indication he is in fact evil.
That this may be due to some other hypothetical circumstances is complete speculation not backed by anything, nor is there even areason to assume its the case.

>>40177632
What? Just because he's evil doesn't mean he can't be alright as far as we care.
Maybe he is just a vain, greedy selfish asshole with lots of good sense.
Thats alright as far as I care.
Him being Evil doesn't matter to me as long as he doesn't do anything I have a reason to care about.

>>40177641
>No, we can literally detect evil, therefore we have strong indication he is in fact evil.
Yes, and almost all of our people in Oreia detect as evil, including children. Oh welp, better get the old smiting halberd, nothing to see here, just purging some evil demons!

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>All these discussions how to deal with rebels and what sort of arrangement to make with the great wyrm

Much as I want to believe this guy is earnest, we should be watching our backs here.

>>40177662
>Maybe he is just a vain, greedy selfish asshole with lots of good sense.
Yes, and that assumption is based on a shit ton of proofs, unlike the one about him not being evil. Oh wait, it totally isn't!

>>40177665
>Oh welp, better get the old smiting halberd
I love your strawmanning, but where did I ever say we need to fight or attack him because of his being evil? Not everyone is as close-minded as you that you think we would need to murder him because he is evil.

>>40177665
>Yes, and almost all of our people in Oreia detect as evil
A lot of them probably are evil too, and we can in fact, sense the difference there. Which we didn't with this guy.

>>40177687
>Yes, and that assumption is based on a shit ton of proofs
The fact that we literally detected his evil is a proof. While the assumptiom he isnt evil got literally nothing for it.

>>40177687
>and that assumption is based on a shit ton of proofs
>You can also detect strong evil coming from him.

>>40177641
>No, we can literally detect evil, therefore we have strong indication he is in fact evil.
No, we have strong indication he *radiates* evil. There are so many things that can do that that which wouldn't actually make him evil. For all we know, his race is like demons in that it is automatically considered evil regardless of actions.

>nor is there even areason to assume its the case.
Other than him displaying no evil behavior at all and being a generally reasonable fellow and a better ruler than a lot of human kings? For all we know, he could've been an evil bastard but is now on the path of redemption and hasn't worn off all the evil yet. Stop making assumptions about why he's evil.

>>40177720
Which you'd know proves literally nothing if you had ever paid attention.

>>40177720
I can't tell if you're being stupid on purpose or just didn't read the archives. Am I being trolled?

>>40177705
>>40177720
We can also detect evil from our succubi, and they are clearly not evil. This guy also doesn't act evil, so he might not actually be evil, same as our subjects.

“Before I answer” you say “I was wondering if you might answer some questions for me.”

“Of course” says Gilthanis, smiling “what would you like to know?”

“Who makes up the rebellion?” you ask “I mean as leaders, who do you all represent?”

“The ordinary people of Kelsoreth” says Silyana “all of them – even those who willingly bow to the usurper now.”

“When Slagredeth took over” says Gilthanus “he killed a lot of people and chased off a number of noble houses – we simply want what is ours by right – as given to us by the gods” he nods to Lady Anrachis “ancient rights and privileges were given to us, and we deserve to have them back.”

Lady Anrachis nods energetically “this monster defies divine law” she proclaims “by subjecting nobles to common law he violates the compact of trust between the nobles houses and the gods – the nobles care for the commoners they rule – the monster does not. He places unfair restrictions upon the nobles under his rule that prevent them from being able to help the ordinary residents of Kelsoreth”

“Not to mention his taxes” adds Kiluthrin “if the merchants were not so overburdened with ruinous taxes they would be able to offer their workers better pay.”

Silyana gives them an irritated look “The rebellion is a diverse group” she admits “but we have a common enemy.” Well at least she is under no illusions as to her allies...

“And the other nations?” you say “I can’t see them just standing by whilst a dragon takes over.”

“There were some...rash attempts in the past” says Hathwyn, “now we receive a certain amount of support from outside interests, but all aimed at the same broad goal.”

“And once that goal has been achieved” you say “what happens then, who rules?”

>>40177734
>There are so many things that can do that that which wouldn't actually make him evil.
Sure enough, we have however no reason to assume thats the case, so I don't see why would we assume so, when the obvious and likely explanation is him just being evil.

>>40177734
>Other than him displaying no evil behavior at all
No shit he displayed no evil behaviour to the angel goddess.
>and being a generally reasonable fellow
I see no reason to assume him being evil would somehow preclude him from being reasonable?
>and a better ruler than a lot of human kings?
We only know two human kings, actually. And a lot of good rulers were, historically, of rather dubious morality, its kinda comes with having to make the kind of harsh decisions that you need to make as ruler.

>Stop making assumptions about why he's evil.
I'm not. I'm ot making any assumptioms, you are. You make the assumptiom he is somehow not evil. Thats a assumptiom right there. You just try to pretend this assumptiom is somehow more plausible than him just being evil, despite the fact that absolutely nothing indicates his being not evil.
Because the idea of a evil dude you don't get to brutally murder somehow offends you or something, I dunno.

Silyana starts “an elected legislative body led by an executive taken from its own ranks but who, once elected cannot propose nor vote upon legislation except in-”

“The representatives of the gods would oversee the selection of a new government in the interim period” says Lady Anrachis “There would of course be some disruption during the-”

“A stabilising force would hold the city whilst-” adds Hathwyn. All of them talking over one another.

“That can be decided later!” says Gilthanis, raising his voice to drown out the others “Will you help us?”

You ignore the question “Silyana” you say “is overthrowing Slagredeth the only goal? I mean, exactly what are you looking for in the new government?”

“One that looks after its people” says Silyana firmly “all of them, from the highest to the lowest.”

“Will you help us?” Gilthanis repeats, sounding irritated at being ignored.

“If I do” you say “how do I do this? An open battle with Slagredeth could destroy the city”.

“Ah” says Hathwyn “There we can help you, we have acquired a weapon, known as the Reapers Blade...” he describes the weapon and when he is done, they all look at you, awaiting your answer.

Which is?

>I will help you, yes (route-lock, detailed options in next post)
>Refuse to help
>Ask questions (what?)
>Ask to speak privately with some of the leaders (who?)
>Discuss privately with your wives
>Other (what?)

>>40177776
A lot of them probably are, actually.
And the reason is because they are demons, we know this. We know no such thing about him.

>>40177820
>Tell me more about this weapon. (Show interest but do not commit to anything yet)

>>40177820
>Ask to speak privately with some of the leaders (who?)
>Silyana

>>40177810
But why is he detecting as evil? He's doing nothing wrong. There's no good reason for it. As such, I refuse to assume he is evil through reliance on an ability we know to be faulty until proven otherwise.

>>40177820
>Ask to speak privately with some of the leaders (who?)
>Silyana
Time to make our counter-offer.

>>40177820
>>Ask to speak privately with some of the leaders (Silyana). She is the only one here that could be considered good and may actually want what's best for the people.

>Refuse to help.
The rebelion is flawed from the start and will make things worse for the people in both the short term and the long term. Wurm dragon may be a dictator but he has brought order and peace at lest. Something I do not foresee from this bunch.

>>40177901
>He's doing nothing wrong.
We've been here for a day, he is centuries old. Don't you think its a bit hasty to assume he hasn't done anything wrong?

>>40177810
Are you trolling or are you serious? We didn't only ask him, we also spoke to his subjects, and his enemies, who are total assholes. From all the evidence gathered there are no evil actions that he actually takes, besides some rather harsh laws regarding fining culprits' families. Now that by itself doesn't make him a "strong evil", and we have a precedent with creatures that aren't evil detecting as if they were. If you don't think that is reason enough to doubt his evilness then I don't even know what would.

>>40177901
>I refuse to assume he is evil through reliance on an ability we know to be faulty until proven otherwise
I'm not sure why it even matters so much to you to begin with if he is evil or not.
I he doesn't do anything bad right now, how does it matter if he is actually evil?
Maybe he is because he was a Evil bastard for the majority of his incredibly long life and simply hasn't done anything to balance out his karma, because he is still a dick inside and just the realities of reasonable rulership prevents him from living it?

>>40177820
>I will help you, yes (Lie)

>Silyana is the only one with a good cause
>Negotiate between Slag and Sil:
>Sil could be given a period of time during which she tries and convince her followers and any other citizens to follow her to our realm, drache, or some patch of untamed lands elsewhere. Obviously this would require dealing with other rebel leaders' bullshit.
Alternatively we could negotiate with Slag an arrangement where he would give her an office of Ombudsman or establish an elected body to give the elves representation, either in exchange for silencing rest of the rebellion or, with further negotiations, sharing our power with him.

>>40177820
>Ask to speak privately with some of the leaders (who?)
Just tell Silyana straight out that you see no way for her to enforce anything even remotely democratic and frankly speaking she'll get overrun and overruled by the nobles the minute Slagredeth keels over. That is if their neighbors don't invade first, as from the sounds of it the big bad dragon is about all that's keeping them from cannibalizing this place. Ask for her thoughts now that you're in private, as well as her thoughts on the dragon and his goals.

>>40177820
>Ask to speak privately with some of the leaders (Silyana)

>>40177972
>Are you trolling or are you serious?
No, you are just desperate for him to not be evil for some reason I'm not getting, whe him just being evil is simpy the easist explanation for him radiating evil.
Maybe there are other reasons, I never said he absolutely has to be evil, I said its more likely he radiates evil because he is, than any other explanation. Because it is.

This triggers you incredibly hard for some reason and makes you spout all kinds of nonsense about smiting and shit no one ever said. But thats not really my problem.

>>40177820
>Ask to speak privately with some of the leaders (Silyana)
>Ask questions (Why don't you leave for one of the other cities? Or a realm with a more favorable situation for dark elves?)

>>40178077
You are an alignmentist shitlord and you are triggering me.

>>40178133
But I'm not the guy obsessing over his algiment.
I saw him radiating evil, figured it doesn't matter if his aligment is evil as long as he doesn't do bad shit we care about currently, and moved on.

You guys are incredibly invested in trying to prove his totally not aligment evilness.

>>40178133

Fucking cisevilnormativists, when will they learn?

>>40178133
>>40178166
>>40178180
What are you gona do if he says he is aligmentfluid?
Maybe he just identifies as good right now. Who are you to tell him otherwise?

>>40177999
>Maybe he is because he was a Evil bastard for the majority of his incredibly long life and simply hasn't done anything to balance out his karma, because he is still a dick inside and just the realities of reasonable rulership prevents him from living it?
Not doing anything to balance out his karma could be the cause, but you realize this is exactly what one of the people you refuted said as a possibility?

Him being a dick inside is completely irrelevant to the concepts of evil and good. It's only his actions that count as far as that's concerned.

>>40178077
I think they're mostly upset because you don't seem to understand how evil works. He doesn't have to be evil to radiate evil. At all.

The only real evidence we have to go on are his behavior and the words of his people, which do not indicate an evil being whatsoever. A bit draconian in his rulership, but nothing more.

>>40178166
Because Detect Evil is intentionally a flawed power and the assumption it's correct is exactly as flawed as any other assumption, if not more so.

>>40178180
I know, I myself identify as Chaotic Neutral lizardkin and I'm sick and tired of cisaligned human warriors mistaking me for Chaotic Evil kobold.

>>40178260
>but you realize this is exactly what one of the people you refuted said as a possibility?
Yes, and? I never said he can't be not-evil. I said he is more likely registering as eil because he is and then you guys jumped me for it.

>>40178260
>He doesn't have to be evil to radiate evil. At all.
No, but its still more likely that he radiates evil because he is than any other explanation, I understand perfectly well how it works, I juust don't share your prejudice that all evil must be purged.

>>40178260
>Because Detect Evil is intentionally a flawed power
Its not flawed at all. It does exactly what its supposed to do, the ones who are flawed are people who use it to replace their personal judgement.

>>40178313
>I juust don't share your prejudice that all evil must be purged.
>Paladin of Joy Quest
>Paladin
And the reason for that is?

>>40178260
>Because Detect Evil is intentionally a flawed power and the assumption it's correct is exactly as flawed as any other assumption, if not more so.
Exactly, it detects if someone is of an evil nature, but not if they've actually done anything worth retribution.

>>40177820
Laugh in their faces at how goddamn brazen they are to think they can fool a Goddess, congratulate them on their comedic genius, then teleport to where the Reaper's Blade is and wreck some shit.

Then teleport back to them with it and mention how they should be happy we aren't killing them for being greedy-ass nobles and worshipers of evil dieties who are hardly better than demon lords.

>>40178351
Neither D&D or Pathfinder share your view that Paladins are "SMITE ALL EVIL EVERYWHERE" rage monsters.

>>40178363
Piss off Silver.

I was wondering who brough the forced edge nonsene here, I shouldn't be surprised it was you.

>>40178363
Don't forget to have Sireyi tip her halo and say "Nothin' personnell, kids"

>>40178351
That a paladings job is it to protect good not to destroy evil.

>>40178380
>>40178389
Hatersgonhate.png

>>40178289
>I said he is more likely registering as eil because he is and then you guys jumped me for it.
Maybe because he *was* evil, but him still being evil seems far less likely. Your tenses anger me.

>>40178313
>its still more likely that he radiates evil because he is than any other explanation
Except it's not, given the evidence to the contrary that we know is up to date.

>I juust don't share your prejudice that all evil must be purged.
>Accuses people of strawmanning
>Strawmans

>>40178363
Remove Cancer.

>>40178408
The edgemasters keep forgetting that Paladins are healers and mediators, not just fighters with smite.

“I need time to think about this” you say “why don’t we break for something to eat.”

“Of course” says Gilthanis, once again all charm “I’ll have something bought up.”

“In the mean time” you add “I’d like to talk to you” you direct your words to Silyana “I’ve seen a few governments being made and I might have a few pointers.”

As everyone else takes a walk to stretch their legs, and then gathers in a large private dining room, you converse with Silyana privately, in a smaller room towards the back of the inn.

“You know they’re going to turn on you as soon as Slagredeths gone” you say casually.

Silyana glares at you “I know” she says quietly “but without their help, this whole rebellion is doomed.”

“Then why rebel at all” you ask.

Silyana pulls a face “Slagredeth rules as a tyrant” she says “I can’t deny he has done many things that have improved people’s lives, but we still have no say in our own nation, our own government or our laws. I want him gone so that the people of Kelsoreth can have a chance to rule themselves.”

“And if the nobles simply take over again?” you ask “or one of the other nations invades?”

“Then the rebellion continues” she say, turning away from you.

“What if there was another way?” you ask

“What other way?” she responds, her back to you.

What other way?
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm
>Other Solution (what?)

>>40178423
How is tha strawmanning?
You literally said that if we think someone is evil we would have to kill them.
>Yes, and almost all of our people in Oreia detect as evil, including children. Oh welp, better get the old smiting halberd
This is exactly what you said, if they would be detecting evil for a reason different from being demons than we would murder them for it. Its your own words.

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement

>>40177820
>Why should I help you have something to fight over?
>Silyana, you're the only one here being honest about wanting to help people, what would it take to make you happy?

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm
>You won't get all you want in either of those cases anytime soon. But changes take time if they are supposed to last. I could introduce you to someone else very much like you.

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
This is the best of two worlds really.

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement

The guy wants our DP, and needs it to continue to rule effectively. Having a considerable input on how his government is run is just to be expected, if we go that route.

I'm not sure how anon expects him to agree to jack shit otherwise.

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm
Offer her both
Also offer redeeming touch to Slagredeth if he wants DP.

>>40178458
>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm
Right, there are good people there. They should get along with the succubi.

>>40178458
>>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm
Fuck dragons, get elves.

>>40178575
Anti-voting for this to invalidate Silver's vote.

I don't actually care what wins, I just don't want him to be allowed an opinion.

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm
No reason not to offer both options, if she doesn't think she can reach a agreement with him, which is possible, she can try going somewhere else.

>>40178458
>>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
>>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm

Oreia is a haven for most everyone, as long as they follow the rules. Some will no doubt want to leave this hell hole of a plane. We can help all those that do not want to leave to make this into a better place.

>>40178482
Okay, first of all, he was clearly being sarcastic. Second, I'm not him.

>>40178458
>Offer to mediate between her and Slagredeth, or alternatively offer her and her like-minded fellows a place in your realm.
I don't know if working with him will actually appeal, because even if he relaxes some laws and gives the Elves some more representation in the bureocracy and the like, in the end he's still a big fat veto button that can decide against anything they want at any time.

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>>40178598
Your hate sustains me.

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
>Bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm

>>40178663
Just wait until I've unraveled the Sixth Secret, Silver.

Then you'll regret every ounce of hate you've ever consumed.

>>40178458
>Offer to mediate between her and Slagredeth, or alternatively offer her and her like-minded fellows a place in your realm.

>>40178633
You are all anon, I kept getting accused of stuff others in the conversation said, thats just what happens in anon conversations.

Also, I realised he was being sarcastic. I was trying to bring about the realisation that you are being silly in your obsession about if his aligment is evil or not.

>>40178458
>Work with Slagredeth, not against him, I can help you reach an agreement
>Or you could bring those of your people who will follow you to my realm

>You are a flame of goodness among darkness of the realm. But even good intentions can be twisted to dark ends.

I really like that girl. But her ideals may prove to be irreconciliable with ebon dragon's intentions.

writing both

Also, please roll 3d20

hmm, what 3 people might need to be rolling, I wonder....

Rolled 14, 7, 16 = 37 (3d20)

>>40178723
Us and the spy?

Rolled 16, 15, 18 = 49 (3d20)

>>40178723
Sireyi
Wives that are being attacked with intent to take them hostage (those poor dark elves)
Spies
The girl whose name I already forgot
Different Spies

Rolled 9, 2, 13 = 24 (3d20)

>>40178723

Rolled 8, 18, 2 = 28 (3d20)

>>40178723
Alright.

Rolled 10, 5, 20 = 35 (3d20)

>>40178723

Rolled 1, 8, 19 = 28 (3d20)

>>40178723
Are these assholes going after our waifus? Are they like completely fucking retarded?

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Rolled 15, 19, 4 = 38 (3d20)

>>40178723

I have a bad feeling about this.

>>40178801
If the answer to the former is yes, then the answer to the latter is the same.

Also, did everyone from Psychic Rebel catch up at once or something? This whole thread has been more active from the start.

>>40178825
>This whole thread has been more active from the start.
Its a holiday.

>>40178825
It's just that there's finally some action besides the Palding min-quest.

>>40178825
>Also, did everyone from Psychic Rebel catch up at once or something?
I don't think so, we had a huge argument but only very few people were being called retards, so it can't be too many.

>>40178763
Not bad.

>>40178874
That's because I figured out that I can get rid of that urge to call people retards by putting my hands over my mouth and screaming in anger.

>>40178723
What have you done to wife trio?

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>>40178825
I came and saw that there may be another socialist revolution in the works.
Then I came and decided to stay.