>>41369878
It's full of SJW tropes and prejudices and is the most faggoty of RPGs.

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It is as gay as this.

>>41369878
What would the right-wing equivalent of Blue Rose be?

A setting that's an an incarnation of the author's ideology, but written by a right-winger instead of an SJW?

>>41369954
>most faggoty RPG

Um? That is a slur and your language is problematic?

Hahahaha no seriously Blue Rose is the worst kind of SJW faggotry, but I'm pretty sure the Wraeththu (that's right, two th's! Pronounce that! I dare you!) RPG is the gayest fucking RPG ever.

>>41370351
Racial Holy War. Yes, it's real.

How do they deal with <rape> in this game?

>>41370665
Reasonable right-wing, not far-right. That would be the equivalent of a communist game.

It's a high fantasy rug marketed towards women with very romantic themes.

>>41370351
Not trolling but I am reasonably sure DnD was at some point.
Also Traveller.

>>41369954
>>41370351
Pretty sure Blue Rose is way older than the term or movement called SJW, anons.

>>41371089
TYL it's not.

>>41370351
>What would the right-wing equivalent of Blue Rose be?

D&D, basically.

>all other races are calibrated on the white male
>women are objectively weaker than men and only make up for it with their female wiles
>the universe runs on absolute morals
>90% of the population are actually unable to survive outside of city walls or even fend off two cats without being crippled

You can be Randian or you can play a PC in D&D. The result is the same, really.

>>41371014
>I am reasonably sure DnD was at some point.
I'll give you a chance. When?

>>41371209
Don't forget, those orcs, goblins, and kobolds are all irredeemable and best put to death so they don't corrupt your home life.

>>41371237
See
>>41371209
>>41371295

Said it better than myself.

So basically everything until the amount of settings became too large for there to be just one D&D.

>>41371209
>You can be Randian
The D&D moral code is openly socialistic and even relativistic, despite that making zero sense.

So have any of you actually read the book?

Because I own it and it s kinda nothing like what you people say it is.

>>41371368
No, we haven't. Post the PDF and we can judge it for ourselves.

The problem with blue rose is that it claims to promote diversity and acceptance but clearly has a single protagonist nation and all other nations only exist to create conflict for the "oh so enlightened" main characters

>>41371441
>The problem with blue rose is that it claims to promote diversity and acceptance but clearly has a single protagonist nation and all other nations only exist to create conflict for the "oh so enlightened" main characters
So it's like Werewolf: The Apocalypse except with sexuality rather than environmentalism?

>>41371405
pdf is too big to upload.

http://www.4shared.com/postDownload/YThn0FL8/True20_-_Blue_Rose_Rpg.html

>>41371441
I'm going to need a quote on "diversity" and "acceptance" since I just did a search on my PDF text and didn't find it.

>>41371368
Yes, and it's pretty much exactly what people say it is. SJW paradise, evil bad patriarchal villain kingdoms.

SJW apologist.

>>41371500
Page 7 of the core rulebook

Romantic fantasy movels are normally set in highy egalitarian societies where people's occupations and aspirations are not limitied by fixed fender roles.In these books cultures and individuals that are sexist or homophoblic are either ignorant and see the error of their ways somewhere in the series, or they are enemies who are eventually vanquished

>>41371609
page 54
the people of the central valleys of aldis are the most diverse accepting and well educated in all the known lands

>>41371519
Naw, just tired of people who use SJW to dismiss anything that isn't outright bigotry. I don't like extremists.

>>41371662
So go back to /co/ and cry for your edgy gray comics. Some people in this world are bad, and should be punished.

>>41371687
>Some people in this world are bad, and should be punished.
His SJW setting actually agrees with this, see the evil male nation as an example.

>>41369878
Thoroughly unremarkable game that looks like a collaboration between an author who usually does romantic novels aimed at young teen girls and a yaoi fanfiction writer.

The good guys of the setting are painfully polite, inclusive and PC. The other factions are strawman villains (like bigoted puritan pyromaniacs and the Imperium of Man lite) there to provide default moral high ground for the heroes.

Am I the only person who wants to play Blue Rose? Not as a member of uber PC Kingdom, but as a member of Conservativesville.
Playing an honest and just-minded if traditionalist warrior, trying to protect his home land from UBER EVIL SKELETON LAND (which is right next door mind you) while those smug, fuckin' holier-than-thou cunts from the next kingdom over sneer away, just because they have a few ancient relics and some bullshit magic that basically prop up their entire society (Since as we all know, Liberalism is just not possible without *some* external force propping it up, be it other peoples money or god almighty)
And basically trying to do good while dealing with the 'do good' bleeding hearted assholes that keep trying to crumble my home land.

>setting is mimicking romantic novels where your gender doesn't stop you from doing whatever profession you feel like, and you can fuck who you please too if you don't mind dealing with some shit for it initially
>this is SJW somehow
When the fuck did /tg/ turn into /pol/ with dice?

>>41372206
>if you don't mind dealing with some shit for it initially
There's none of that. The book won't shut up about how accepted homosexuality is in Aldis.

>>41372206
I think its more a case of 'LOOK HOW OPEN MINDED WE ARE. FUCK, LOOK AT THOSE CONSE-I mean, MEMBERS OF THE EVIL BACKWARDS EMPIRE OVER THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE FREEDOMS LIKE WE DO, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH OUR POLITICAL POSITION IS MORALLY BANKRUPT.'

Which is exactly how the book reads by the way, whichever way you try to slice it.

>>41372244
Reading the entry on Jarzon in the old True20 corebook now, it doesn't say anything about them being evil backwards rednecks. Just really, really strongly religious and a bit dickish when it comes to magic and the weirder races. Which is understandable considering they're right next door to fucking Mordor.

>>41372095
Now that would be hilarious: advertise a Blue Rose game on roll20 and when they sign up tell them you're not allowing characters from Aldis; it's going to be a game about all those "objectified, Hated Other kingdoms" that Aldis doesn't like and has tarred with the nasty brush.

>>41371662
I like how this is literally always how it starts, and then you have 'problematic' and 'cishet' all up in your grill a few months later.

>>41372555
>I like how this is literally always how it starts, and then you have 'problematic' and 'cishet' all up in your grill a few months later.
Pretty much, yea. That's how RPG.net became utterly unusable, how various tech sites radicalized and why there is so much fucking bullshit shitspamming the moment someone - neutrally - brings up something like slavery.

Give them a finger and they swallow you whole.

>>41372244
There is also a race (Merfolk?) that is 50% homosexual. Somehow.

>>41372368
>>41372095
...
This is a pretty good idea. I like how some of the magic works.

>you now realize Conservakingdom is pretty much the buffer/wall between utopia and hell
>you now realize they're literally mooching off of their conservatard neighbors
Huhuhu-

>>41372311
One of the major hypocrisies of the book can be highlighted in the punishments mentioned in the books.
Both Jarzon and Aldis have mind washing magic ability.
When Aldis uses it, this is obviously an objectively good thing, they use it only for totally just reasons, nope, no bad things happening here, no siree, they basically give people the choice of mind washing or death for serious crimes.
Totally justified, they never even point out the moral questionably of basically brain fucking people into doing what you want.

Jarzon uses it on dem damn dirty faggots and shit like that and of course when its them doing it, its totally wrong.

Despite the fact that Aldis has a much more confrontational and oppressive foreign policy and Jarzon wants the Lich King to fuck off and spend their time worshiping the Sun. And despite the fact Jarzon has a pretty justifiable reason to need all women pregnant 24/7 and all men on top fighting condition, which is that they're literally sitting with their balls against hells gate while Satan himself is knocking on the door
Of course such a people are edgy as fuck around magic, any random wizard who isn't a priest could be the next Darke artyst of our age.

>>41372555
The more extreme one side is, the more extreme the other side gets to compensate. Eventually, they can't exist in the same place and the more popular (if not the better) option gets to stick around.

So maybe tone it the fuck down, and it won't ever get that bad.

>>41372596
>There is also a race (Merfolk?) that is 50% homosexual. Somehow.
That just means the people who aren't homosexual have to have an average of four children to maintain a constant population. It's not impossible.

>>41371155
SJW as a term is maybe approaching 2 years old.
Blue Rose was first released like a decade ago.

>>41372095
It's not all that interesting once the novelty of doing the exact opposite of the game's premise wears off.

>>41372634
If they'd wanted it to be morally complex, or interesting what they could have done is said that in Jarzon, its voluntary as well, but marriage isn't, you get married, put a baby in a bitch/start breeding or so help me, the Necromancer Next Door is gonna gang fuck our entire people with zambies, you need some light brain washing to convince you to get erect around your wife? Fine, don't care who you fuck behind the scenes, but officially you're straight and she's pregnant.

But, nah, Liberal/Progressive-> Good; Conservative/Traditionalist-> Baaaaaaaaaaaaad.
It's fucking shameful, how obvious this kind of thing is these days, can you imagine the fuss that would kick up if someone wrote a RPG about a kingdom of brave, ultra-conservative Ubermensch, surrounded by kingdoms of filthy, degenerates.
Maybe they could have adventures taming the wild bone-nosed tribals of darkest Bix-noodz.
Or the hairy, man-hating lesbizons of the western ruins and their all-female pantheon who of course all crumble into your arms the first time you forcefully sex them (It ain't legitimate rape yo' women can shut that shit down or so I've been told).
Adventuring to the far east, to battle the great Dragon-worshipping short-men and their terrible industrialized kingdom (which is putting local workers out of business)

Maybe some Latino snake men, infiltrating the Kingdom, while pretending to be part of the working under class that the heroic kingdom has so kindly allowed to live on and till their lands?

Actually, nah, Snake Men would be a metaphor for Liberals, infiltrating the highest ranks of the Kingdoms glorious, freedom-loving leaders, in order to weaken it from within.

Sounds reasonable? Amirite?

>>41372699
You should maybe discover the difference between hating people for what they are and hating people for their chosen ideology.

It's not really the same thing at all.

It isn't hypocrisy to hate Nazis but not the gays.

>>41372699
>if someone wrote a RPG about a kingdom of brave, ultra-conservative Ubermensch, surrounded by kingdoms of filthy, degenerates.
And so the good king sent out his thousand year old order of knights, to re-establish his rightful rule against the hordes of savage demihumans.

Or 40k.

>>41372634
>Nation A uses the death penalty for murderers, rapists, traitors.
>Nation B uses the death penalty for thought crime and refusing to acknowledge the godhood of their evil lich-emperor
>Nation A are hypocrites for saying Nation B is evil

essentially your argument.

>>41372684
>It's not all that interesting once the novelty of doing the exact opposite of the game's premise wears off.
Hey, people still play other games where you need to fight against the self rightous turboadvanced civilization next door. It's not super new but it's also not exactly unpopular to do.

>>41372634
Brain washing is fucking evil. You can't justify that shit outside of an emergency situation or lesser evil type scenario.

>>41372761
>Hey, people still play other games where you need to fight against the self rightous turboadvanced civilization next door. It's not super new but it's also not exactly unpopular to do.
That brings me to my other point of there being absolutely nothing that's both remotely unique and worthwhile in this game. You can do absolutely anything you could in Blue Rose in a number of other settings.
Which is weird, since while reading the book I had the feeling that this game is trying to fill some kind of niche, except I couldn't figure out which one.

>>41372824
>Which is weird, since while reading the book I had the feeling that this game is trying to fill some kind of niche, except I couldn't figure out which one.
It's the Ctulhutech of its niche.

>>41372756
No.
>Kingdom A is Star Trek
>Kingdom B is motherfucking 40k
>Kingdom B is somehow supposed to be evil for being leagues more paranoid and suspicious

THAT is essentially his argument.

>>41372824
You can always do any kind of anything in any RPG. If you can't, then it is your personal and unique failure. I mean, thats how white people world works, ffs.

>>41372756
>refusing to acknowledge the godhood of their evil lich-emperor
Wrong in every possible way, Netion B is bordered against Totes-Mordor but fights them to the bitter end.
They deal every day with the Dreadful Algebra of necessity.

Nation A has it easy being well away from that shit and proclaims constantly that its morally pure while Nation B is a corrupted, backwater place and basically undermines them constantly.

>>41372752
Maybe some people are just naturally conservative, or grow up in a place that cloisters that mentality in them, do you even consider that?
Nation B is a shithole, but its a shithole because of its position, how its developed, so on, it is literally a nation that has grown up in the shadow of death, their religion grew up from the sacred hearth, their nation is based around the home and the fact that anyone they don't personally know from their village, those who haven't shared their fire, food and hospitality, might secretly be working for Rapestab the Lich next door.

Meanwhile, Aldis chooses to be aloof and act like dicks because they can, after all they got a wizard rock that lets god tell them who should be in charge and talking animals, they certainly don't have a sense of pomp or divine mandate about it, they're just better than you.

You should work out the difference between hating people for what they are and hating people for what they choose to be.

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>>41372891
>that entire post

>>41372891
>You can always do any kind of anything in any RPG.
Aside from playing a good game in Blue Rose.

>>41372555
>I like how this is literally always how it starts, and then you have 'problematic' and 'cishet' all up in your grill a few months later.

>I know this because I have started several games where this has happened.

Bro I have never heard "cishet" in real life, stop confusing tumblr for something that actually happens.

>>41373080
Dude, don't minimize his troubles. Tumblrinas will infect everything they can. They will violate you and blame you.

>>41373105
>libruls

Are you just throwing shit at the wall to see if any of it sticks at this point?

>>41373105
>aw jeez, now the liberal's gonna start calling for mods since we're just teasing him a little.

>Disagrees with your shit tier argument
>Liberal

Nigger I commit more "problematic" badthink before breakfast than you even knew existed.

>>41373133
>Nuh uh! I totally don't suck monkey balls! You're j-just saying that! WAHHHHHHHH

Reverse-SJWs are hilarious.

Except that they keep filling up threads on /tg/.

Wait, no. What's the word that means the opposite of hilarious?

Oh, right. Annoying.

>>41373155
Can we skip to the point where you declare that you were only pretending to be retarded?

>>41371662
The biggest reason is that a lot of the issues we tried to tackle in Blue Rose have come to the fore in the public debate, in society generally and in nerdom. Diversity and inclusivity are now common topics of conversation, which was not at all the case in 2005. The idea that gay marriage would be legal in so many states in ten years certainly would have been a surprise to me back then. With the progress that we’ve seen in our politics and our art, a roleplaying game that lets you defend an egalitarian society without fixed gender roles seems like just the thing for the current day.

Of course, progress never comes easy. The simple idea that women should get equal pay for equal work—not to mention the opportunity to work in the fields of their choice—is crazed radicalism in the eyes of some. And while the Supreme Court may have declared that racism is over in the USA, anyone with an ounce of awareness can see that is manifestly not the case. That many of these issues are contentious is no surprise to us. Blue Rose itself was subject to a reactionary backlash from certain quarters. This sort of thing has just gotten worse, particularly in the video game arena, and politics in America has also taken an ugly turn. So while, yes, we have seen a lot of social progress, there is still a lot of work to do.

Now playing games is not going to change the world. That is down to grassroots organizing, voting, and political action. There is a saying though, that all politics is local and our neighborhood is tabletop gaming. We want this to be a better place and we think we can have some effect on it by publishing the right roleplaying game. We want there to be a welcoming place for women, LBGTQ folks, and people of color to enter the hobby. We want to promote the idea that roleplaying games are for everyone, that our hobby—our fun, creative hobby—is something that can bring us together rather than tear us apart.

So why now and why Blue Rose? That’s why.

>>41373235
>impossibru! He is not cowed by our memes!!
Keep defending this garbage, Anon. I'm sure something will reward your white knighting

>>41373205
Man you are just so sassy, you owned that post, 10/10.
I can feel the snark cutting away at my self-esteem right now.

Fact is, Blue Rose has heavy progressive themes and a huge, heavy filling of hypocrisy, you can't talk about those two factors together in this day and age without SJWs being mentioned.

They are the Elephant in the Room for the left.
Here's a tip if you want to stop the backlash against liberalism.
Stop being a cunt in its name.

>>41373080
You clearly haven't been to college, then.

>>41373268
I honestly have no idea what the fuck you're on about anymore. I have a nagging feeling that neither do you.

>>41373274
I don't care about politics at all. I just wish the mods would have taken my suggestion to filter "SJW" to "SKR" back when SKR was a thing.

>>41373274
>If you want to stop backlash
>Don't be a cunt

I've been not-a-cunt my whole life and the backlash is still going on, so clearly you're wrong.

>>41373282
>You clearly haven't been to college, then.

...yes? Yes I have - I graduated summer of 2012 so unless this shit stepped up RULL fast over the last 3 years, it's not a thing unless you deliberately seek it out.

>>41373376
I have to admit that would have been hilarious, these days you could have it filter to something else.

But, once all is said and done, all you need to do is look at rpg.net to see the kind of shit show that happens when people with the heavily-authoritarian-left mentality get in charge of an RPG-based site.
That's not acceptable (in my personal opinion) and avoiding the topic of conversation does nothing but empower them, because SJW's like to work behind the scenes basically play power games. They like to change the meaning of words then claim they always meant that. They like to subvert, its how they do things.

That's why anti-SJW's talk about it in public, because it needs to be public, there needs to be honest discussion and it needs to be where people can see how fucking retarded this has all gotten.

>>41373431
It has.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid

I for one would like to be able to discuss fantasy rpgs without you fucktards gibbering about spooky sjws and drowning out any sensible conversation.
just once, that would be nice.

Remember when /tg/ was hard to bait? let's go back to that.

>>41373487
Its literally a SJW RPG, so of course SJWs will be discussed. See >>41373248

>>41373390
>I've been not-a-cunt my whole life and the backlash is still going on, so clearly you're wrong.
You're not qualified to make that distinction and I can tell from scrolling by the thread that you're a cunt.

>>41373460

watch out guys, I caught a 24 hour ban for mentioning SJW stuff, and mods were in full force deleting anything related to antifeminism yesterday.

>>41373487
>Remember when /tg/ was hard to bait? let's go back to that.
Just because /tg/ liked/likes to jerk itself off about how hard it is to bait doesn't mean it ever actually was (it wasn't).

>>41372206
>When the fuck did /tg/ turn into /pol/ with dice?
Honestly the SJW invasion of /tg/ actually started me browsing /pol/.

>>41373508
it can't be any more so than some of the stuff in WoD these days, and we manage to have perfectly good conversations about WoD.

>>41373559
Yeah, /pol/ has really good discussion as long as you aren't triggered by the memes.

>>41372756
Which, if you presuppose that the death penalty is immoral in either situation, which is a fairly widely held position, is an entirely logical argument.

>>41373540
can we pretend to be hard to bait, please? we're /tg/, we're good at pretend.
like next time you see a thread that might involve /pol/ or /tumblr/, try roleplaying as somebody with better things to post about.

>>41373571
Not for long. Once M20 comes out for real its going to be a huge mess.

>>41373580
/pol/ doesn't have really good discussion.
/pol/ sadly has the only discussion, you talk about it anywhere else and you'll get your nuts dragged across the rocks for daring to argue the standard, you bigot.

>>41373431
I had people (two women, naturally, one black and one an extremely outspoken dyke) openly bashing "beautiful blonde people" in my psychology class last semester ("Beautiful blonde people are the worst kind of people", verbatim, no joking), a class that went out of the way to emphasize how important inclusivity was at its beginning, in front of the professor during open dialogues. And the professor actually spoke up and made a quip about how he agreed with the sentiment. I am neither blonde nor beautiful, so no, I was not offended because they were bashing me personally, I was offended because that is openly racist/discriminatory behavior being accepted and encouraged in an academic environment.

No, it's not "cishet this or that", but it's pretty fucking bad.

>>41373460
>But, once all is said and done, all you need to do is look at rpg.net to see the kind of shit show that happens when people with the heavily-authoritarian-left mentality get in charge of an RPG-based site.

The only site on the Internet that I ever go on is 4chan, and the only boards I ever spend any amount of time on are /tg/ and /toy/. I don't care what RPG.net is doing, because they don't matter to me. I just want people to stop spamming SJW SJW SJW on this board.

>>41373586
No it isn't. Look at RPG.net.

>>41373638
We are talking about /tg/, not that shithole.

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>>41370351
The only setting I can think of that comes close to being the Right-Wing equivalent of Blue Rose isn't even an RPG, it's Defiance.

Basically, the only people who violate gender norms are evil. The only openly bi-sexual characters in the show turn out to be one evil and another a stupid, easily led person.

Then we have the Earth Republic which appears to be run by straw Feminists. Also 90% of people couldn't survive 10 seconds outside of city walls without being eaten by something.

The only reasonable people left in the world are the rough-and-tumble frontiersmen and self-made men.

Thinking back, it was really amazing how much right-wing ideas snuck into the first season.

>>41373651
The same people are here, and they are trying to make it more like there. Don't be an idiot.

>>41373487
>Remember when /tg/ was hard to bait?
Nope. Unless that was before 2008.

>>41373595
>like next time you see a thread that might involve /pol/ or /tumblr/, try roleplaying as somebody with better things to post about.

This is an excellent suggestion.

>>41373627
Actually, that's a shitty example when I'm forgetting the other time, when my professor straight up said (once again, verbatim) "I'm of the opinion that women are smarter" during a class lecture. And yes, I would've also been offended if he had said any other permutation of those variables (women are dumber, men are smarter, men are dumber), but the point is it's fairly clear which way the pendulum is swinging and it's not away from discriminatory behavior, it's towards reparations made through discriminatory behavior against different people this time.

>>41373586
>All the while us normal people are going "extremism is bad and being a bigot doesn't help the hobby."
Getting called /pol/ for saying that to you SJWs is literally why I first clicked over there.

>I've seen them admit it
Link to one of your false flags or it didn't happen.

>>41373637
So you just admitted you live under a rock and don't care about the greater RPG community.

Totally a fair stance. But, you have to respect the view of the rest of us who don't agree with it.

rpg.net is a huge hub for new players coming into the hobby, the fact that its basically occupied by the Vichy RPG players isn't a good thing for our hobby.
He who controls the printer, controls the book and thus the mind of the reader.
And the current book being printed is '50 reason why you're a sexist pig and all your shit is problematic: Shame, a beginners guide'

>>41373670
Sounds like baseless fearmongering to me, friend.

>>41373709
If SJWs call that /pol/ and I am saying it, how the fuck am I SJW? Am I calling myself /pol/ now?

Do you even read what you write?

>>41373717
>So you just admitted that the opinion of plebs, children, normies, and muggles is NOT the utmost importance to you, how dare you!
yawn

>>41373595
Or we roleplay that we're a 4channer, and not bound to the pathetic asspain of a single retard who needs to fuck off back to whatever hand-holding daycare you waddled out of.

>>41373747
No matter where you live or who you are, those are exactly the people whose apathy and stupidity determines your reality through the intermingling of social climate and politics.

You should probably care.

>>41373747
>So you just admitted that the opinion of everyone not part of my clique isn't important to you!
Tell that to the 80s, when being an RPG player basically meant you were thought of as a Satanist.
Popular opinion matters because it steers the direction we're all going, that's like saying you don't give a fuck about where the boat is heading as long as you get to swim in the bilge.

Usually I'd quote the whole, first they came for... schtick, but in this case, I think The Hangman, is much more appropriate.

And we cried: "Hangman, have you not done,
Yesterday, with the alien one?"
Then we fell silent, and stood amazed:
"Oh, not for him was the gallows raised."

He laughed a laugh as he looked at us:
"Did you think I'd gone to all this fuss
To hang one man? That's a thing I do
To stretch the rope when the rope is new."

Then one cried, "Murderer!" One cried, "Shame!"
And into our midst the Hangman came
To that man's place. "Do you hold," said he,
"With him that was meant for the gallows-tree?"

And he laid his hand on that one's arm,
And we shrank back in quick alarm,
And we gave him way, and no one spoke,
Out of fear of his hangman's cloak.

>>41373842
It's nice to see a post so refreshingly on point. Thank you anon.

>>41373796
You know shitposting isn't the *point*, right? I mean, anonymity means it's going to happen sometimes, but ideally a board has actual interesting stuff on it.
Or do you actually like the total garbage that happens as soon as somebody mentions anything political.

>>41373900
It's funny that you'd mock "normies and muggles" when you so clearly are one yourself. How old are you?

>>41373900
>Man, we shouldn't give a fuck about anything because everything is already broken.

Ahh, you should have told me you were an apathetic shite before we started, then I wouldn't have bothered.

The only way to change anything is to give a fuck, even if it starts small.
Can't mention the name on here without being banned but look at the Gate involving Gamers, Gawker, currently circling the toilet.
Gawker was a huge, mulit-million e-journalism empire.
Things change, when enough people give a fuck together.

>>41373900
Wow, you're legitimately too stupid to understand his point. Impressive.

>>41373718

Exactly what an SJW would say.

>>41373717
>So you just admitted you live under a rock and don't care about the greater RPG community.
I really don't.

>But, you have to respect the view of the rest of us who don't agree with it.
I really don't. SJWs have literally never ever affected me, except by virtue of their opposites clogging up threads on /tg/ whenever someone mentions women or black people. Rather than spending all your time opposing things you don't like (which seems like fighting a losing battle), you could try creating things that you do like, and possibly make people see things in a different light.

But I know you won't be creating anything positive, because it's much easier to complain.

>>41374095
If you don't think SJWs affect you then you simply are not paying attention. There is no other way about it.

>>41369878
Blue Rose is merely okay, but not my cup of tea.

It's literally just "We-are-huge-Mercedes-Lackey-fangirls-but-didn't-want-to-pay-her-licensing-fees" the RPG.

It's not worth a retarded flamewar. So please stop.

>>41374095
>SJWs have literally never ever affected me
Why do people wear their deliberate ignorance as a badge of pride?

>>41374095
>I really don't.
In that case we don't have to respect you for shit either and you can fuck off to another thread I suppose maybe one of the three trillion quest threads that I don't turn up in to shit up, despite hating?
Isn't it being a board for everyone a wonderful thing.

>Rather than spending all your time opposing things you don't like (which seems like fighting a losing battle), you could try creating things that you do like, and possibly make people see things in a different light.
Counterpoint: People who create things SJW's disagree with get gang raped on social media, doxxed and publically shamed, they don't have the attitude of live and let live, they actively censor any thoughts they disagree with. Which is part of the reason people are so sick of them in the first place.

>>41374141
>If you don't think SJWs affect you then you simply are not paying attention
like the patriarchy, then. or jews. or whoever the local bogeyman is.

>>41374432
Yes. All of those are affecting you too. How delusional can you be?

>>41374432
I'm not the guy you're replying to but I am the guy who made these two posts:
>>41373627
>>41373701

The behavior that I described in those two posts is perceived as socially acceptable thanks to SJWs. You think that type of behavior becoming socially acceptable doesn't affect you in any way?

>>41374519
I'm a nice jewish girl studying history so I'm not that bothered by DA JEWS and DA LIBRUL AGENDA. Oddly enough.

>>41374631
Not bothered, sure. But clearly Jews do affect you.

>>41374631
>being egotistical enough to call yourself nice
I can assure you you're not nice.

>>41374685
>not knowing the stereotype of 'a nice jewish girl'
I mean c'mon. It's self-deprecating humor.
>>41374659
no shit. But I think I'd know if I was part of some global conspiricy that controls all the world's economies. And was a lizard.

>>41374150
You're pissing into the wind, there Anon.

>>41374631
>DA JEWS
You were the one who brought up the jews so I'm not sure who you're trying to mischaracterize for the sake of what you think passes for argument on that one.

>DA LIBRUL AGENDA
I don't think I've seen anyone make any blanket statements in this thread about liberals or their agenda. Maybe you should stop arguing against a straw man.

>>41374733
Complimenting yourself is self-deprecating humor? If you say so.

>>41374733
>Yes, you are affected by the jews
>Actually no I'm not
>No, you quite clearly are because you identify as Jewish.
>Oh yeah well here's some bullshit about some conspiracy theories

I'm convinced you can't even follow this argument.

>>41374792
okay, it's multi-layered.
the 'nice jewish girl' stereotype refers to a particular sort of girl who's main fate in life is to marry off to a nice jewish boy (probably a doctor or lawyer) and have lots of jewish babies. It has become something of a cliche to describe somebody pleasant, with modest prospects but essentially bland and somewhat stereotypically jewish as a 'nice jewish boy/girl', and so describing oneself with the term is essentially self-deprecating since it points out how you're basically not that interesting, and probably a bit of a dweeb. In short, it's using a stereotyped backhand compliment as a subtle put-down for humorous effect.
I guess it takes a few levels of reference to get. No worries, right?

>>41374932
You can dance around as much as you want, but it's facetiousness, not self-deprecation.

>>41374850
What did you think "DA JEWS" meant? I read it as referring to the Jewish conspiracy, not the general idea that people you know including Jews have an effect on your life.

>>41375090
Seems like a trivial distinction to argue about.

>>41375134
this is /tg/, these days we'll shitpost about anything.

>>41375110
You intentionally chose to read is as referring to the "jewish conspiracy" because it was easier to find a retort for that than the obviously intended meaning.

How about you address this post:
>>41374530
instead?

>>41375134
And yet someone wrote an entire paragraph arguing it.

>>41375220
that's not the point though. It's still far too petty to be actually worth discussing, even if people ARE arguing about it.

>tfw still waiting for a Stirnerian Egoist RPG

>>41374631
tits or GTFO. You know the rules.

>>41375264
If I correct someone and they continue to argue about it that's their issue. They could've just accepted that they'd been corrected and moved on.

>>41375191
I didn't make any retorts about anything, I was observing the conversation. In any case I'm pretty sure the person you're arguing with is the same person who wrote it, so I assume they read it as it was intended. I'm asking you whether you think DA JEWS just means Jewish people and not the stereotypical Jewish conspiracy.

As to the other post, I think you're being a crybaby who overemphasizes the importance of people who disagree with you or who don't filter everything they say through the filter of what you consider offensive or problematic. That is, you're exactly the same as the alleged SJW menace, you just pick different things to be upset and reactionary about. It's certainly not an opinion I can take seriously.

>>41375316
But you're still making a big deal about something completely inconsequential. That just makes you exactly as much of an idiot as they are.

>>41371322
>Relativistic
>Universe with cosmological alignments of good and evil based on an objective morality

Sorry you are objectively wrong

>>41375090
If you understood the cultural implications, you wouldn't need them explained to you.
Anon, you got btfo'd with your ignorance being put on display, and now are simply posting to save face.
Stop it.
Next you'll complain black people can call each other nigga and white people generally can't.

>>41375355
So you'd be perfectly fine with a college professor making the statement "I think women are stupider than men" during a classtime lecture? You wouldn't find that to be something worthy of complaining about? And if nobody batted an eyelash at the statement, you wouldn't find that to be indicative of the social climate?

That's textbook sexist behavior. There is no room for objection on that count. And if you're seriously arguing that it's acceptable for a college professor to share his or her plainly sexist/racist opinions during classtime as though they're acceptable, during a lecture no less, then you're an idiot.

>>41375444
>Next you'll complain black people can call each other nigga and white people generally can't.
Not even remotely analogous. You've got no idea what you're talking about. Luckily one of us does.

>>41375480
>Not even remotely analogous
Being ignorant of cultural implications of spoken phrases?
Continue trying to save face, please, I have all day to watch you flounder.

>>41375355
>what you consider offensive or problematic
>what YOU consider offensive or problematic

Implying that you don't consider the behavior described problematic?

>>41375462
No, that's not what I said at all. I just wouldn't blame it on a sinister movement dedicated to ruining everything or lament that it's a sign of the decline of civilization. People say stupid shit sometimes, and if you want to call them out on it then more power to you. But the sky is not falling and you're silly for thinking that it is.

>>41375462
From the professor?
No, as he is in a professional position where protocol dictates a certain nature of behavior.
You can't do shit about the classmates, however, and in academia, exploring opinions, even if controversial and politically incorrect, is dwindling, shamefully.

>>41370351
FATAL.

>>41375532
Implying that when someone says something I don't like I don't assume that my way of life is under attack.

>>41375376
>But you're still making a big deal about something completely inconsequential. That just makes you exactly as much of an idiot as they are.
THE CIRCLE IS COMPLETE

>>41375547
>>41375585
You have a bad habit of abusing hyperbole in an attempt to diminish the arguments of your opponents and it's really doing you a disservice.

Political and social climates have driving forces. In the political/social climate where I live it is socially acceptable to be openly racist and sexist, even in academic settings. There has to be a driving force behind this, because it didn't magically happen outside the realm of causality. SJWs are not the sole reason for this, and I don't think anyone has argued that. Still, they affect it. They affect you and they affect me, and that is what this entire argument has been about. If you want to keep denying that then you're being willfully ignorant.

>>41375376
Point out where I made a big deal out of it.

>>41375727
>In the political/social climate where I live it is socially acceptable to be openly racist and sexist, even in academic settings
What I have noticed is that it is okay to be racist and sexist IN A CERTAIN WAY, and if you are outside that specific paradigm, you are ostracized.
Really, tho, it's how it's always been. It's acceptable to shit on *insert group* in a *insert setting*, but not *insert group* at that setting.
I had a friend who played in a dart league in the Appalachia region, and the shit those guys would say around their "own" made my friend blanch and left me utterly amazed at their mindset.

>>41373603
Try /k/. As long as /pol/ doesn't show up.

/pol/ always shows up eventually. Fucking /pol/.

>>41375727
If your argument is "SJWs have some sort of influence on culture even if the exact extent or outcome is unknown", that's a really weak point. Sure they do, just like everyone else, but if you can't make the case for how significant that influence is then it's irrelevant to bring up. Especially if, as you seem to be claiming now, you were never actually trying to make that case.
>In the political/social climate where I live it is socially acceptable to be openly racist and sexist, even in academic settings
I think you're the one who is using hyperbole here.

>>41375774
Five posts seems like making a big deal to me. In fact one post seems like more than it's worth.

>>41375946
So you're affected by SJWs. Gotcha.

>I think you're the one who is using hyperbole here.
It's what I've experienced, so nah.

You, on the other hand, have repeatedly mischaracterized the magnitude of statements that your opponents have made throughout the thread in an attempt to hold them as self-evidently absurd and avoid actually addressing them. When it wasn't that it was you being deliberately obtuse and acting as though your opponent was talking about jewish world conspiracies etc. when they clearly weren't.

>>41375992
And how many have you made about it so far? Don't forget to count your reply to this post.

>>41376059
>So you're affected by SJWs
This is a shit argument and you know it.

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>What can you tell me about Blue Rose, it's setting and anything else you can think of?

That it is as bad as Wraeththu and Wraeththu was about a race of Mary-Sues with Acid anemone dicks for fucks sake.

>There's a product that doesn't include me in its target audience!
>IT'S SHIT AND A THREAT TO MY WAY OF LIFE

Funny how SJWs and anti-SJWs are both so easily triggered.

>>41376059
>So you're affected by SJWs
Just like I'm affected by neo-nazis, buddhists, and cocoa addicts. So what? Is that the extent of your point?
>It's what I've experienced
And your conclusion from your experiences is absurd.
>acting as though your opponent was talking about jewish world conspiracies etc
Now you just seem confused. Not only am I not the same person but that doesn't even accurately describe the earlier conversation.

>>41376115
The significance of the influence of SJWs is a moot point because all she's put up so far on that front is "nuh uh I'm not affected by them", which would be precisely as valid as "yeah huh you are" if not for the fact that she gave validity to "yeah huh you are" by admitting it herself.

>>41376096
I'm arguing a different issue. And four, including this one.
>>41375134
>>41375376
>>41375992

>>41376246
So basically, this entire thread is meaningless shitflinging.
Gotcha.

>>41376246
What any sane person means when they say that is "I'm not affected by them to the point that I should give a shit". Pointing out "well, technically you are affected by them", while technically true, does absolutely nothing to address the person's actual position.

>>41376234
>Now you just seem confused. Not only am I not the same person
I can either assume that every single reply made in the thread is made by a new person and address them as such or assume that it's been the same person until someone bothers to clarify otherwise. That doesn't qualify as confused.

>but that doesn't even accurately describe the earlier conversation.
It 100% does considering she started arguing about how she wasn't a member of any worldwide jewish conspiracy when it was completely obvious that's not what the guy was talking about.

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>>41376234
>cocoa addicts
THOSE FIENDS!

>>41376270
>>41375316

>>41376234
>And your conclusion from your experiences is absurd.
Forgot to address this.

My conclusion that openly sexist behavior has become acceptable in an academic setting, a conclusion made from witnessing openly sexist behavior in an academic setting on many more occasions than I've cared to list, is absurd? How so?

>>41376327
I explicitly told you I wasn't the same person. Beyond that common sense would indicate that you not assume everyone is the same, particularly when there are different writing styles and arguments.
>It 100% does considering she started arguing about how she wasn't a member of any worldwide jewish conspiracy
That's what she said here >>41374733 and >>41374631
>when it was completely obvious that's not what the guy was talking about
But it was first brought up here >>41374432, where she used it as an example of silly conspiracy theories she doesn't take seriously. The other guy then responded that Jews were in fact affecting her >>41374519, which is why she was arguing that they weren't. Possibly he meant that 'the Jewish people' rather than 'the Jewish conspiracy' were what was affecting her and she misunderstood, but if so that was a really dumb thing for him to say (in general and especially considering the context of her previous post) and it's his fault that the conversation became confused.

>>41376288
>Person A: You are affected by SJWs
>Peron B: I am as affected by SJWs as I am the jews, the patriarchy, or the local bogeyman
> Person A: Correct, you are affected by those things

I'd say that's a fair summary of the exchange that started this. From there person B continued to argue about the initial points that person A made (with person C, me), even though they were completely reasonable and in no way overreaching. I fail to see how anyone but person B has been unreasonable in that exchange.

OP here.

Okay.

Whoa. This will take a while to process.

>>41376468
>I explicitly told you I wasn't the same person.
Before the post where you called me confused? Where? Link to it, please.

>>41376468
>but if so that was a really dumb thing for him to say (in general and especially considering the context of her previous post) and it's his fault that the conversation became confused.
I understood his meaning perfectly so it can't be nearly as confusing as you're pretending it is.

>>41374631
Your not bothered because studying history made you realize how much your people were asking for pogroms

>>41376407
Because you're taking incidents of specific ill-considered comments or radical people, who tend to be the most vocal groups, and using them to characterize an entire society. Further because you extend that conclusion to imply that this is a significant and widespread change with a specific group driving it. Finally because you are avoiding the fact that your conclusion and the evidence you use to build it are substantially the same as the evidence SJWs use for their conclusions ("I had this experience with sexism, so did some of my friends, therefore this society is sexist against women and it's caused by the patriarchy", for example).

>>41376217
We're not so different after all.

>>41376468
Oh, forgot this one
>Beyond that common sense would indicate that you not assume everyone is the same, particularly when there are different writing styles and arguments.
Don't give me that bullshit. There's no reason it would be inherently obvious, especially when your arguments haven't been different and you've been acting just as deliberately obtuse.

>>41376486
>What any sane person means when they say that is "I'm not affected by them to the point that I should give a shit".

Did you guys know RPGpundit played this game for over a year just so he could tell the internet how bad it is?

Someone should make an RPG setting with both a super-left-wing and a super-right-wing faction... and both are absolute shitholes.

>inb4 what is Tau vs. the Imperium

>>41376628
>Did you guys know RPGpundit played this game for over a year just so he could tell the internet how bad it is?
He actually said he didn't dislike it too much despite the fluff he hated. And I'm fairly certain it was 6 years or something.

Then again, hating on RPGpundit seems like a common board sport so carry on.
>>41376635
I could have sworn that existed in Eclipse Phase.

>>41376542
>Before the post where you called me confused?
>>41375355

>I understood his meaning perfectly
Good for you, so did I, although I also asked him to clarify it because of its seeming irrelevance. But it was an empty comment at face value; the only way to ascribe significant meaning to it was to misinterpret it like the person he was talking to did. That's why it's reasonable for someone to misunderstand it.

>>41373248
Please take your reality out of my escapism forever. I'll connect with the people I want to connect with, and I'll turn away and exclude the people I want to snub. You make me upset when you put forward ideas like this, because it tells me that I can't have a place where I can just be myself without minding whatever political or social situation currently exists in the public eye. Games which push an agenda for the sake of doing whatever good they believe in are toxic to my fun. Publish something that's neutral. Publish something in which its own merit is measured by how fun it is, and not whether it made the world "better" or not. You make an enemy out of me when you try to lecture me, however indirectly, on right and wrong.

>>41376628
Is it actually mechanically bad?

>>41376602
Maybe you're just a poor communicator. Also I didn't say whether it was obvious or not, just that it was reasonable not to make that assumption.

>>41376585
>specific ill-considered comments
Openly sexist and racist comments, yes.

>and using them to characterize an entire society
No, what I'm using to characterize an entire society is not just the comments or the people who made them but also the way in which they were received across multiple occasions in multiple classes, which is not the same thing as meeting a few bigots and claiming that society has accepted a particular biased viewpoint.

>Further because you extend that conclusion to imply that this is a significant and widespread change
I fail to see how it isn't

>with a specific group driving it
Radicals are the ones who push boundaries and make certain behaviors acceptable, and SJWs are certainly the most radical regarding the behavior I've been discussing.

>and the evidence you use to build it are substantially the same as the evidence SJWs use for their conclusions
Except that more often than not the evidence of sexism SJWs provide is plainly not evidence of sexism, even as they describe it, compared to textbook sexism and racism that can't be argued to be anything else.

>>41376693
>he lectured
If you don't want to play it then don't play it. Making speeches about how you're opposed to it just makes you seem like a hypocrite.

>>41376712
Everyone's a poor communicator when you deliberately misinterpret them to weaken their argument.

>>41369878

I never knew that a 'romantic RPG' had so much gay fucking. You'd think that it would be a shoujo manga, or a setting where there are gorgeous virgin priestesses, lovely lady knights, and tastefully gothy villainous girls who just want the love of a good man. You know, something like the Unicorn maiden prestige class in BoED, where the inherent tension is "Oh no, should I give up my holy powers because I really, really want to bone protagonist-kun?"

But instead, we get talking animals, a magic deer, and Gay Utopia. Who wrote this shit, anyway?

>>41376733
Ultimately your argument is "you should care because I think it happens and you should take my word for it". You have no evidence beyond your own anecdotes and subjective judgments about how serious they are and what they mean, and when I compare them to my own experience and judgment I conclude that they're ridiculous and so are you.

>>41376694
>Is it actually mechanically bad?
It's one of the better d20 hacks out there, but IMHO it will be a lot more enjoyable to play once it's ported to AGE.
>>41373248
As a Bisexual Black person I appreciate the sentiment but hooooly fuck you're one condescending twat about it.

>>41374005
what kills me is how that whole thing started becausr what was essrntially a highschool clique tried to flex it's muscles and protect a member of the "in" crowd.

say what you want about the entire mess but it was satisfying watching people who have no social interaction outside of their hugbox forced to face consequences for their hypocrisy.

>>41376759
Not sure what you're referring to.

>>41376745

Jesus, what's wrong with you? You're talking as if having a negative opinion of something is a capital offense. Are you really so thin-skinned that you can't take any criticism?

Frankly, I think the whole SJW movement is bullshit, and we're taking them too seriously. They're a joke, but at some point someone went "No, we must believe every word out of their mouths as if it's the gospel." I mean, these people are batshit.

>>41376769
WHAT'S WITH THE DEER, ANON? WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

>>41376745
I could have just said I didn't like it. Instead, I elaborated on my beliefs.

>>41376800
>Are you really so thin-skinned that you can't take any criticism
Pot to kettle: You are black.
I'm just saying that you're lecturing a game about not lecturing you. It's silly.

>>41376745

Respect his beliefs, you shitlord.

>>41376775
I really don't care about your conclusions or judgements considering your reaction to someone who witnessed and complained about a professor making an inarguably sexist remark was to call that person a crybaby as though it's not a wholly justified complaint. It's clear that you're offended by anyone even proposing the possibility that white people or men could experience bigotry in something like a college environment.

>>41376879
Actually, I said he was a crybaby because he was taking the fact that some people made some sexist remarks and using that to argue about how sexist and racist society is becoming and how we should all be concerned about it. I've also been quite clear that instances of sexism as he described are not acceptable. If you think that just because I'm not afraid of the SJW bogeymyn then I don't care about sexism, you've lost perspective.

>>41371470
Yep. And less butt-sniffing.

>>41372644
So mermaids have four boobies?

>>41372644
I'm going to include this with an extinct race in my setting.

Absolutely fantastic.

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>>41378536

Nah, they just lay clutches of eggs.

The top part is the human part, after all. The breasts are vestigial.

>>41379046
dar jiff

>>41379046
I figure mermaid fry are about as helpless as a human baby, so the breasts probably aren't for show...

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>>41381252

Yeah, but if you lay 1000 eggs that hatch quick-growing larval mermaids, it's a non-issue. Mermaids are r-selective, humans are k-selective.

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>>41371209
>>41371310

>>41369878
Blue Rose invokes the tropes from ya fantasy stories instead of heavier stuff like ASoIaF. If you like that vibe, do it. If not, you won't enjoy it.

We should keep this shitposting up till the thread archives.

>>41382832
Too late! You have jinxed this thread, let it fall to its rightful oblivion.

>>41370136
Dats kawaii as fuck
>>41370351
Got, where women are property and they like it

>>41383665
Gor

>>41383703
Yes, For. Sorry, phone autocorrect

You have been well watered

>>41383776
GOR JESUS CHRIST PHONE

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Thanks, /tg/, I'm sure I'll love the fuck out of Blue Rose.

It's fascinating how much cool stuff I've found purely because 4chan hates it.

>>41383858
That's pretty much how I shop for videogames

>>41378410
>less butt-sniffing

I thought sentinent animals were a big thing in Blue Rose?

>thread archive on sup/tg/ under "Today on "Reasons why your board can burn for all I care"

Such Anger.

>>41384234
Please me it's actually called that. It'd be the only good reason for this thread to ever be remembered.

>>41376581
so I just came back to this thread and, really?
well fuck you kiddio. that sort of thing's just crass.

>>41376581
100% Ariernachweise edge, stamped and signed by the Fuhrer.

>>41384994
>well fuck you kiddio. that sort of thing's just crass.
Welcome to 4chan.

>>41386003

There's pleny of other boards that openly support anitsemitism - the one that's being run by the guy in the wheelchair who wants somebody to kill him has at least three and reddit must have dozends you can always storm into the front as well, if you get my meaning.

>>41371209
>women are objectively weaker than men and only make up for it with their female wiles

You get that -4 Str is a retard's houserule, not RAW, right?

>>41386771
He is a moron that does not know anything about D&D. Women had their Str capped in early D&D.

>>41386523
There is no 'board'. Only 'people'. Stop policing words.

>>41372596
If the ancient greeks have taught us anything, it's that you can be gay as a jaybird and still have kids with your wife. The idea that a homosexual is exempt from performing his civic duty and producing offspring is a modern construction.

>>41391770
>If the ancient greeks have taught us anything, it's that you can be gay as a jaybird and still have kids with your wife.
And see where it got them.

bump

>>41373718
Ettin, is that you again?

So is the setting half as condescending about its agenda as the people arguing against it ITT? Because while I do rather hate being preached to, this sounds like it would be a brilliant setting for a culture clash game. Get a couple 40K fans to play questing knights from Conservistan, a couple NWoD fans to be the holy warriors of Liberalia, and throw them together on a mission to whip the piss out of skellingtons and each others' ideologies.