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Guide and such.

As a cursory note. The next map may enforce a 30 player cap. For now that's the magic number to keep under if everyone can help it.

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The Group Roster currently.

>>45303712
How does In Tandem function?
Does it have to be two mages casting the same words?
Ex: Fire Arrow Ring + Darc Arrow Ring?
How close in proximity to they have to be to cast it?
Does one mage have to cast his spell into the others?
Is it a special action that has to be declared between both parties?

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>>45303755
The words must be similar. The result is a fusion doubledown. So long as the target is similar and targetable by both parties they can then declare a tangent cast.

Also Rogue Lore !

>>45304348
Wohoo for rogues, best at all the jobs. Except healing, that one's a little hard for rogues.

>>45304348
Huh, neat. This can form the basis for the 'how to rogue' sheet!

Also figure out how the classes are arranged.

Mundane and magic user rows, the three columns.
Item users. Rogues and Militia are dependent on items to use almost all of their abilities. And the focus is on the items rather than the abilities themselves (you switch or steal to get items then use them, weapon throw uses weapon stats almost entirely)

On the opposite side are knights and guides, who are class ability focused. Their equipment enhances their abilities rather than their abilities enhancing their equipment.

In the middle are the mixture of both. Hunters and mages depend on their equipment to do things, but they still focus on their abilities.

Basically, think of it this way. Weapon throw and any load are all but useless without a really good item. Counter and channel however are just improved by good items. But hook and pull and runic spells require good items, but their worth is in the abilities themselves rather than in the items.

There are holes in this theory, and the columns could also be broken down as item focus, control focus, direct focus, and the rows as front liners and back liners, but I think it's a pretty solid break down.

>>45304939
Throw bread at people. Or plant solution/potions.

Rogues gotta be tooled up with items!

>>45303755
In tandem is a passive. So two mages with the same set of words in a spell, but different elements can tap one another as they cast, stating they want to combine spells.

Shouldn't in tandem have ! On either end? Like 'bring it down'?>>45303712

>>45304348
Any word on the preloading buffs, Monday?

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>>45303732
And the guild banner! Showing our illustrious history

Can I join the hunt?

>>45305482
>Run with us
The runner theme everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C01n4U_EXek

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I'm not sure if it's something that's all that useful, I asked about it in IRC but would it be worthwhile for summoners to recall this rune for weasel summoning?

>>45305570

There's always space in the Hunt, we are right now winding up to another floor. I am not sure when it will start but watch this spot.

Joining instructions are up in that second image after the OP

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pBtAtH90iwCCRSlBASU8PKdILrhJh4x87yHYaLAqi8A/edit?pli=1#

And we have a guide here for stuff and stuff.

>>45305570
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=skirmish%20quest

And here is the log of adventures
>>45305865

Unused class letters. I can guess where the X, P, and A are going but was V replaced with E

[E]ditor replacing possibly no[V]elist in conception. That V makes me look back at the midian with curiousity.

>>45305752
I think that's a quad binding circle?

>>45306466
Current guesses are
>P= Guide/Knight
>X/A = Militia and Milita/Rogue
>V = hunter

>>45305482
>>45303564
Think we should come up with a guild charter?

Something along the lines of general rules of our goals and behaviors? Not being a dick to your fellow guild mates, working to the benefit of the guild rather than yourself? things like that?

>>45303582
Question on the Navigator's Watcher.

Does it have the time ELEMENT? or does it just allow time spells to be cast even without the time element on say, your wand?

Would having the time element on your wand allow you to cast navigator time spells?

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Just a quick clarification if anyone can provide.
image related

-Does hook and pulls range work as 3 blocks cardinally from my position like the left, or does it work diagonally or a combination or cardinal and diagonal?

-If I can lob my chain over others to attack. Can I also pull people over obstructing objects like other people or my own chain wall?

>>45309420
This is very important to understand to the game, and it's part of what makes positioning interesting.

Basic Movement is always horizontal and vertical movement, never diagonal.

Abilities, Attacks, Spells, Skills, etc. Even ones that change the caster's position, always are able to draw that line diagonally.

What it means is that long range abilities will always be able to get to a place faster than base movement will get you there, putting ranged abilities users in a better position than melee users (but even then, they can hit diagonally with range)


This is why 'spin slash' Jenny is so goddamn scary. She hits a 7x7 area with her at the center.

>>45309420
basically, the second image, with diagonal AND cardinal range.

And yes, you can pull enemies over friends, but you have to have a free space available to plunk them down on. You can also move them in other directions, so long as it's 'nominally' towards you.

You can't use hook and pull to move somebody 3 spaces away from you when right infront of you, but you could use it to fling them OVER you and land them behind you and further away.

>>45309117
>Question on the Navigator's Watcher.
>Does it have the time ELEMENT? or does it just allow time spells to be cast even without the time element on say, your wand?
The answer is both. The Watcher grants access to the Navigators' Time based abilities and it has the Time element. Without a Watcher a Navigator is not a Navigator. I like to think of the Watcher as a temporal focus.

>Would having the time element on your wand allow you to cast navigator time spells?
I do not believe so, the Watcher plays a vital role.

Now please take this as only my opinions on the matter, I am not a well studied Navigator yet. Runner or Nezera would be able to answer these questions in more depth and definitively.

>>45306642

Do you think it could be recalled?

>>45311457
not sure it's a word/rune.

>>45312060
No idea. Might be worth trying at some point maybe?

>>45309117

>>45309117
The Watcher being a Time Focus allows one to navigate spells that would otherwise cause one to navigate the boundless Timesea without return.

It also performs the special function of limiting the absolute duration of TimeSpells. The only other tool capable of keeping absolute time, Is your Terminus Clock. But seeing as how it goes both up and down, you can see the potential disasters it would cause.

>>45312989
Thank you for clearing that up.

>It also performs the special function of limiting the absolute duration of TimeSpells.
Interesting.

>>45305420

Don't fucking do it.

>>45312060

Who brought this mech here >:v

>>45313217
sorry! Dimensional twinning accident!

Posting current stats. It should be up to date and can be found in Hetros' google docs document:

[M]Meave : Level 4
HP:3 , Mv:3 , ATK:0 , DEF:1(0+1) , MAG: 4(3+1) , ACT: 2

Equipped:

• Main Hand : Chalk
• Offhand : Mesmeria Illusion Book (Lux/Hydra=Illusion: Words4, Mag0)
• Level 1 Mask (+1DEF, +1MDEF)

* Miniature Sword (Fleurette) used as Hair Pin
Skills : Arrow, Block, Ring, Ball, Hand, Glass, Tandem

Bag:
•
• 1x Llama Water (5 Uses)
• Ghost Paper x3
• Blitz Libra (Lux/Pyra=Lightning: Mag1, Words3)

Money on Person: 0

Sturmaug the WatchBird
A Sparrow with a single eye

Hp4/4 Atk.1 Def.0 Mov.8 Act.1 Mag.3
Mind's Eye: Watchbird has shared vision.
Empathic Link: ????

Bank:
•Zenny: 62z
Vault:
•Bottle of Red Water
•Quailudes x1 (3 applications)
•Aetheryte Shard, Darc x1
•Paraiah's Widebrim:[Editor Only](Mag2,HP2,BookSpace2)
Book pockets do much to insulate and use the thick hide of pages to protect the caster, a term that many armor smiths call " Book Plated "

>>45303732
Ghoul restraints only remove 2 hands.
Violent regeneration lets you add limbs.
You could grow 2 extra arms.
How many arms can a ghoul have?

>>45314901
However much their HP can support.

>>45315497

Literally Murder-hobos, the class.

Looking forward to seeing the other basic classes, I like these series of images.

>>45315996
We prefer the term Itinerant Killers for Hire thank you very much!

>>45306772
Going by your guesses --
>P
Pathfinder?
>X
Xenomorph. Obviously.
>A
Assassin.
>V
Vanguard? Virtuoso (we don't have a bard-like class)? Vesper...?

Okay, I don't have a clue.

Where on >>45303598 are we?

>>45316884
[P]aladin = guide/knight
E[X]ecutioner = hunter advance
Mar[X]Man = rogue/militia
[A]ssassin = rogue/militia

are my guesses

Not a clue for [V]

>>45316978
Paladin seems like the right one definitely. Why the dicks didn't I think of that, I play a paladin.

Maybe executioner. I think marxman is a bit of a stretch, although it would be interesting if the class got a bonus against capitalists...

>>45316884
I'm guessing rules discussion?

>>45317072
The void. I'm very sure we're in the void.

>>45306466
>X, P, and A are going but was V

[X] = Xylophonist
[P] = Penguin for hire
[A] = used Alpaca salesman

Mark my words guys!

>>45317773
Yarr-harr it's a militia's life for me.

The Mal is vast and scary
Come eat everyone of us
It's demons death and ruin for the Mal
But I've got the blunderbuss

To march the stairs with boots and blood
takes steel and heart and will and guts
The other sides have gots Knights (just lots!)
But we've got the blunderbuss

Sword and songs and magic spell
It's all very well and often a plus
It's nothing on napalm kisses, iron drops
You load them in a blunderbuss

You tell a man to hold a line
If he dies it's often cause for little fuss
You pick it up, you dust it off, you pass it on
Someone else can take the blunderbuss

etc etc etc


anyhow, so the Volgon Empire actually works with the Ignyll Forerunners? I guess yay for honor.

>>45317481
ad[V]enturer?

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>>45317855
Get 666 militia to provide offence, 666 knights to defend the militia against fast and direct assault, and 666 hunters to mess with the inevitable deadlocks when knights meet knight, and you've got yourself the perfect formation.

Put in some mages and guides in the centre to fuck with the enemy and keep the formation working, just to make stuff excellent.

I might be slightly biased.

>>45317855

>so the Volgon Empire actually works with the Ignyll Forerunners? I guess yay for honor.

I think it's more implying the empire realized that fighting a never ending war with other runner groups whilst the literal death of the universe was behind you was retarded. So they made a truce and put a hand on the crystal market and flow of dudes into the warmachine.

Which is fair, because it takes a special kind of idiot to want to continue fighting a war of attrition whilst total annihilation looms overhead.

>>45318500
>it takes a special kind of idiot to want to continue fighting a war of attrition whilst total annihilation looms overhead.
Warhammer40'000.jpg

>>45316978
[P]anda
Scifa[X]
[A]rquebusier
[V]elocipede
Obviously.

>>45318959
Alright alright people, enough fooling around.

>Coffee became so serious when he turned all sciency. Science, its hard.

>>45318542
where's the lie?

>>45315028
But we can heal our ghouls, if we have enough Darc.

So if we gave Ziegfried enough sustaining flesh and magic, we could turn him into a many armed monstrosity. This a fully functional, believable plan that I support.

>>45320710
I believe it reduces max hp

>>45318500
I imagine that them knowing they wouldn't have survived everyone else turning their hand against them. Even if they could hold out for a time, the sheer slowing of their progress would kill them in the end.

>>45318959
No, you're all wrong. It's all song magic
>pianist
>xylophone
>Aria Singer
>violinist

Knowing Monday violinists play with a rapier. Xylophones are actually organ guns that are launched by playing, aria's are forbidden magic that directs the mal, and pianos are magical mechs...

Guys. Fuck floors. Let's get Monday to make a musical skirmish with each faction being a different genre.

Techno would only have two classes. Mixer and Raver, where classic would have like 12 classes

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Monday's having trouble posting

Thanks !

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>>45321446
Just saying. Those guides seem waaaay to happy on the joy-to-snark scale

>>45321446
Thanks for the update Monday! (And notmonday!)

you have two 'ands' in the first paragraph, right beside one another

>>45321594

They are probably very 'special' healers. You can tell by the way they completely ignored that giant spider.

>>45321721
Maybe it's a summoner' spider?

Also, Monday? Could we get the beast summon sheet?

>>45321905
No one picked the skill, so it's only fair no one knows what it does.

>>45321905
no.

>>45320963
Ah, but the maximum HP of a ghoul is a renewable resource due to [Devour]! There are many varieties of creature who grant additional maximum HP!

>>45322118
Truly I would expect a scholar to know these things for a fact.

Now we just need to know if the arms are also a permanent resource, and soon, we can have Ziegfried quintuple wielding.

>>45321594
>on the joy-to-snark scale
it is an ever shifting scale. Lack of snark indicates no one is standing in fire or rushing head long in to certain death.

>>45322195
And then, we can start to shoot our own Bollywood movies, with Ziegfried as Vishnu. We're going to make lods of zeny boys !

>>45322118
Pretty sure my stat upgrades last the map only.

>>45322118
Not entirely. Devour doesn't garuntee greater hp gain. But yes, I take your point. Theoretically they have infinite arms.

>>45322473
And infinite legs! And infinite heads! Probably don't want to grow more than three heads.

I need to get a Darc book of some kind. Maybe one with more Words. I only have the one rune so far, though.

>>45317481
Hey, I believe Poka. A guide wouldn't guide us wrong!

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AAAAAND THE LAST ONE YAAAAYYY now lets make guides for each class :O

>>45323534

>And afford all the time in the stairs to read books

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS.

>>45323606
well at least when they attain immortality they won't have to worry about watching their loved ones die of old age, because they won't have any friends to begin with.

>>45323534
Hm.

Adaptive defense against the Mal is going without a brain? Genius! We can scrape everyone's cerrebellum and woosh, the Mal ain't going to be an issue.

Does back attack for rogues work with guns, or just melee and thrown weapons?

>>45326312
It works for all attacks. Just remember that it has to be a direct back attack so watch your angles.

>>45321196
The awe-insliring spectre of METAL MAGES continue.

Question about [Intent].
With [Intent] I can choose to cast the Beneficial or Harmful effects of an element or elemental combo from the Lifemare. I realized I have no idea what the Harmful effects would be of most possible Pulses.

Can I know the Harmful effects for:
-Hydras
-Terra
-Plant
-Gravity

And the Beneficial for Poison? (If there is such a thing)

For Darc, I assume the Beneficial is for healing Ghouls and the Harmful is just straight damage. Is this correct?

Thanks.

>>45323041
>I need to get a Darc book of some kind.
Too bad you didn't pick one up in town.
I'm sure one will turn up somewhere.

>>45330066
The only Darc book around here is Moore's joke repertoire.

>>45331714
>The only Darc book around here is Moore's joke repertoire.
zing

>>45331714
That's odd, my book doesn't cover the Pyras element.

>>45326312

Base attack does not apply for guns. Only Melee, thrown weapons. Archery weapons get special conversions usually.

>>45328986
Harmful was likely a misnomer , refer to their "Inverted" effects instead.

Hydras: Create a quantity of water/ Shoot a Quantity of water

Terra: Create an Earth Bloc/ Create an Earth Spike

Plant: Heal Wound/ Erupt Binding Thorns

Gravity: Levitate / Enfeebling Crush. [Halves physical stats]

>>453324
Oh I misread that thing entirely.
Back attack applies to all things yes

>>45332552
>Erupt Binding Thorns
is that the growth spell from the order in luxendarc?

or do guides get 'inverted' versions of their spells via buying them separately entirely if they don't go scholar?

>>45332767
Its an inversion.

>>45332552
>Enfeebling Crush. [Halves physical stats]

well im gunning for gravity chains now

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>>45332552
Very helpful, thank you.

>>45332767
>is that the growth spell from the order in luxendarc?
No, that spell was [Bramble Spike] and was a memory that could have been drawn from the Druidmere.

>>45333108
>No, that spell was [Bramble Spike] and was a memory that could have been drawn from the Druidmere.
>>45332985
>Its an inversion.

I think it is an inversion. Gives Guides the ability to cast the inverted forms of their elements.

Poka got Steel S right?

>>45333108
>>45333140

THis actually turned out to be the same spell. I just forgot its name.

>>45333189
>THis actually turned out to be the same spell.
Makes sense since the Lifemare is an outgrowth of the Druidmere. Do you see what I did there?

>I just forgot its name.
ha.

>>45333140
>I think it is an inversion.
It is an Inversion, but it also required a draw to acquire the spell.

>Gives Guides the ability to cast the inverted forms of their elements.
Other than having [Intent] (or similar) on a wand, it'd require either an all encompassing new skill, or a draw on a wand/staff of that element.

>Poka got Steel S right?
If she bought it before the final fight started, then yes. I don't know if she did or not.

What happens if a Navigator casts Stasis on THEMSELVES.

>>45334607
spell fizzle?

They can't take any actions, so it'd drop immediately next turn since they couldn't maintain it?

Saving this spot for a Patch note later in the morning...

> off to see Deadpool

>>45333615
>>45333140
I Indeed have the Steel Song however the workings of Song magic has yet to be revealed.

>>45335399
As my current goal for Sigmund is Dragon God of Rock this is something that interests me, wanna be lead vocalist?

>>45335399
Basically whenever you want to use it you have to write a new song. How good the effects are depends on how good the song is. Bonus point appropriate elemental undertones. Also no repeat songs.

>>45335439
Oh I think I know exactly how steelsong will go
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8FA3806pU

>>45335616
Guide Poka replaces Slim Shadey
just being jokas replaces Just imitating

Guide us with your sick rhymes

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>>45336270
Did someone mention shady things?

>>45336305
Oh hello Mr. Scholar. How are you today?
Any exciting-fun deals for enterprising business of shady knowledge?

>>45333189
Now Durian, come with me, we will practice stabbing on my until you've got it down. It's all in the wrist really.

After you've broken a sweat we will go have something to eat. Something to put a bit of weight on your scrawny arms, hah!

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Floors Patch 5.0 [Cloak and Dagger]
Cloak and Dagger Patch 5.0
As war begins to broil between man and monster, the first actions will always be the result of much talks, aery argumentation, and hollow agreements while forces work in the shadows from both sides priming the machinery that will soon bring about the destruction to both sides.

Update your character sheets folks cause it's skill tweaking time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMXy3mYzkws


Class Updates
Rogue=
-Rogue Skills now have combination effects that add to each other called "Skillz"
-Switch is a passive that allows free exchanges to hand equipment. Requiring a free hand to perform.
-Steal is a skill that allows the player to steal a hand item from the enemy [with 2 free hands]. With switch it allows them to switch items with an enemy [with 1 hand]. With back attack it allows them to steal item from an enemy's Inventory [1 hand and 1 empty item slot].
-Back attack. Combined with Switch Allows the rogue to attack the enemy with their own weapon at reach.
-Weapon Throw. Throws one's weapon. With back attack, allows you to throw target medium object within melee range.

Hunter.
Bloodlust: Monster and enemy buffs affect you as well. Critical damage value is added on as Over-HP

Advance Class Unlocks. Questlines for advance classes will now be implemented. The Wyrd Hunt's choices will affect these questlines' metaplots resulting in one class joining your team vs. another.

Upcoming updates:
-Advance Adepts of classes unlocked up to floor 4.
-Monster Race Traits and [Underpass] Quests.

[Underpass Quests]
Quests in the Underpass Monster Kingdom involves the descent of the Crystal stairs to past unvisited floors. In these [SubFloors], the Terminus clock will not increase for climbing the stairs in a subfloor but its proximity from the Road ensures that many unclaimed riches yet remain . . .

>>45337487
Does the new Switch work with the Mothman's Other Half? Meaning can I switch Blade Ray for the Science Crowbar free? Or does it take an action because my other hand is technically full?

[$] Beckie ; Level 5 ; Beck Rogue Guild
HP: 5/5 (4+1) Mv: 6 (4+2) ATK: 7 (2+3+2), DEF: 1 (1) MAG: 3 ACT: 4 (3+1)
Equipped :
-Main Hand : Blade Ray (Level 4, Attack +2, Move +2, Knockouts by this weapon leaves a stun counter instead. Mercurial Strike)
-Off Hand : Red Compass
-Armor : Mothman's Other Half (Level 4 [$][R], +3 Atk Slashing, +1 Act, +1 HP, Grants Wall Walk, Takes up armor and a hand slot)
Bag 3/4 (4) : 697z
-6 Pushpin Bombs (Mines\Throwing, 3 tile oriented AOE, 6 Damage)
-Crystal Pick; Can mine crystals
-Science Crowbar (Level 2, Attack +2, Opens locks and crates)

Chi : 0
Skills : Throw weapon, Switch, Orange Leaves, Spirit Fist, Red Petals

>>45337560
Claw weapons count the equipped hand as empty, but holding anything with the Claw hand renders both the claw hand and weapon unusable.

>>45337487
A pity being a Ghoul locks my hands and makes me unable to use most of the rogue skills. But that can be arranged at the cost of safety :D

If I get this correctly, they all combo together? So Steal/Backstab can be used as 1 action if proper requirements are met for example?

>>45337587
Thanks.

Ummm, I've been wondering. Given my ascension too Shinobi was unusual, that is gained during the floor progression, do I have to choose both level ups as Shinobi? Or can I make a choice for a rogue skill?

I assumed that it had to be Shinobi and chose accordingly at the end of the floor, but with these new changes and the fact that I didn't really need to be shinobi to get those books I'd thought I ask if it was possible to change them.

>>45337627
Steal+Backstab = PickPocket. Steal an item from the enemy's Inventory [Must know the item in question or you will target a random one.]

It becomes a single action with a specific effect.

>>45337649
My quest for a new Ghoul armor with free hands begins then! Unless I can just open my hands with another key like with the basic ghoul manacles.

>>45337627
Rabbitspaw knows Backstab, Weapon Throw and Steal.

Because he knows Backstab and Weapon Throw, he knows the skillz to throw medium objects with Weapon Throw

Because he knows Steal and Backstab, he knows the skillz to steal items from someones inventory with Steal

Because Rabbitspaw does not-nope know Switch, he cannot use Switch.

He also-also cannot switch enemies weapons at range with Switch+Backstab version of Switch and so is screwed-stabbed if encounter enemies with pikes

And he cannot use Switch+Steal to switch items with the enemy using Switch.

He also cannot steal+stab at the same time, it becomes new skill-trick.

Rabbitspaw feel he learned to become a shinobi too soon. But on other paw, Rabbitspaw did become a Shinobi. So is all good.

>>45337632
Hmmmm. In the case of Luxendarc you can count the Floor as being both a Rogue and Shinobi progression. And distribute the [2] Levels accordingly. You can even suspend your shinobi progression indefinitely and enter into this floor as a Rogue.

This offer is effective until Floor 5 is opened.

>>45337718
Never worry about the past, look towards the future (meal) with bright open eyes (stomach)! If you were meant to complete your basic training, options will appear to you one day!

>>45337724
I really wanted to earn adept Rogue before ascending to a new class, but Wyrd Hunt needed me to be shinobi or so I thought at the time. So that is a great relief to hear. Thank you. Updating sheet with new choices.

[$] Beckie ; Level 5 ; Beck Rogue Guild
HP: 5/5 (4+1) Mv: 6 (4+2) ATK: 5 (2+3), DEF: 1 (1) MAG: 3 ACT: 4 (3+1)
Equipped :
-Main Hand : Blade Ray (Level 4, Attack +2, Move +2, Knockouts by this weapon leaves a stun counter instead. Mercurial Strike)
-Off Hand : Red Compass
-Armor : Mothman's Other Half (Level 4 [$][R], +3 Atk Slashing, +1 Act, +1 HP, Grants Wall Walk, Takes up armor and a hand slot)
Bag 3/4 (4) : 697z
-6 Pushpin Bombs (Mines\Throwing, 3 tile oriented AOE, 6 Damage)
-Crystal Pick; Can mine crystals
-Science Crowbar (Level 2, Attack +2, Opens locks and crates)

Chi : 0
Skills : Throw weapon, Switch, Steal, Backstab, Orange Leaves

Does being an adept before you ascend to a new class mean you have a chance of buying adept skills later?

Speaking of hunger...Where are the other NPC's ? I do not see them on the rooster list. Did a few of them decide to leave us or stay in Luxendarc?

>>45338182
List doesn't take into account support NPCs

The Red Lady:
" I see that you have come back to partake in the newfound bounty of secrets we uncovered. For you see, after much digging around, our people managed to uncover /ancient/ texts that described in further detail the applications of the Ten-Finger style that my Rogues practiced so diligently. Here, the latest printings scribed by the hands of our monks themselves, free of charge~. A friend of Aya is a friend of my enemy's killer~ "

Ten Finger Rogue Style.
" This information is causing our streets to run red with competition. And a lot of broken bones...

[Steal+Backstab]. PickPocket. Just as it says on the scroll, Get behind the target, with one hand free and steal an item. If you do not know the item you are stealing, you will take a random one.

[Steal+WeaponThrow].Butterfingers. With two hands empty, Take a target's weapon and throw it.

[Backstab+ItemThrow]. Spinning Throw. With two arms free, get close to your target, Lock elbows with your target and send them 3 tiles in any direction.

[Switch+Steal]. Mirror hands. Trade weapons with the enemy to make them feel the taste of their own blade.

[Switch+Steal+Backstab]. Ghost Hands. From behind, and with one hand free, steal the enemy's weapon and attack them with it. A killing blow in this way will give the appearance of a suicide.

[Switch+Steal+Backstab]. Vacuum Pocket. ....You may also switch items between their inventory and yours.

[Backstab+Switch].Moonsault. Getting attacked from behind /without/ Overwatching allows one to jump behind their aggressor. Range=Movement.

How does levelling up into an adept class work? I'm looking at it and nless I'm doing something wrong it seems a little odd. People who go advanced gain +1 skill for free and better stats. Adept skills are good, but you're slowed down a lot.

I'm knight1. I have 3 skills, and we finish a floor, so I pick 1 more skill. Now I have all 4 knight skills and I'm an adept, so I get the fancy knight armor and +1 atk from it.
Do I then get +1 adept skill as well, for sticking with knight rather than advancing into an advanced class?
If my friend Knight2 also has 3 skills, gets +1 for finishing the floor and then decides to advance into [S] or [W] he also gets the adept armor but he gets +1 skill for the new class, +stats, +items.
He ends up with 5 skills, and knight1 has 4.
A 4 skill adept knight has +1 atk from Raider Armor.
A 4 skill adept knight that then goes Weiss has +1 atk, +1 def, +1 hp - a weapon with +2atk/+2 def he can wield with the shield from Knight and gets to pick a Weiss skill.
The Slayer gets +1 atk, +1 hp, +1 skill, +1 range with their weapon.

Adept Armor looks super cool, but it doesn't stack up at all with the +1 skill, +inbuilt stats and +equipment from just speccing into an advanced class.
Granted, after the next floor as Knight1 I will have 4 BaseKnight skills and 1 AdeptKnight skill - but Knight 2 will have 4 base knight skills, 2 adept slayer skills and higher stats.
The free +1 skill for advancing into an advanced class seems a little bit like a weird gain. If people used their [floor level up] skill to gain the advance class ability it'd be a lot more in tune with each other
(knight1 has 4 knight skills +1 atk from adept
knight 2 has 3 knight skills, 1 slayer skill)
At floor 7, knight 1 finishes Advanced knight and has adept armor +1 atk and 8 skills
At floor 7 knight2 gets first adept slayer skill, and finishes with 9 skills, +1 atk, +1 move, +1hp

>>45338272
Ah, but does it give them a ten finger discount on llama store prices?

>>45338402
No. What you see happening is people advancing to a new class. You automatically get 1 skill for doing so even if you have previously leveled up to adept in your base class.

Adept means you have achieved all your basic skills. You get that fancy armor and you can choose adept skills should you stick with your base class upon further leveling up

>>45338369

After you acquire our fourth skill, if you don't move to an advanced class you become an adept and gain the armor. You must wait till your next level before you can start gaining adept skills.

If you acquire all 4 skills and then become an advanced class you do not get the adept armor. You do however get +1 skill from your new class.

I agree it's a little odd, but that's the way it works.

>>45338402
You can get into Adept when you *master* the class, meaning you earn all of its basic skills. When that happens you unlock a free set of better armor, and the possibility to get 4 more skills.

Adept armor is only useable for its class and doesn't transfer over to the new advanced class.

Its a choice, the Advanced Classes are arguably more powerful, but the adept skills for every class are very strong. It all depends on your play-style.

>>45338492
>>45338484

Yes.
Hence, the everything I just wrote.

"People who go advanced gain +1 skill for free and better stats. Adept skills are good, but you're slowed down a lot."

I literally just wrote that! Sorry if I was being obtuse.

But I guess I'm glad to know I understand the system, thanks.

>>45338533
You said advancing into adept. Adept and Advanced classes are two different things.

As for the worth of Adept skills? Judge for yourself.

>>45338533
Adept classes were also made for those who had no Adv.Classes to move on up too. They were developed further after that.

The gam is evolving a lot after every map.

>>45338571
But what I was judging for myself. My judgement is that it's not exactly worth it. That's why I was wondering if I missing something since it seemed like an odd system. Because they're clearly useful skills but I can't say they seem more useful than higher stats, better equipment and more skills per floor.

An adept knight has 4 skills and +1 adept skill, is level 4.
A level 4 slayer has 4 knigt skills, 2 slayer skills and better stats.

Rushdown is great but I don't know if it's particularly much better than jump+twist, or jump+spinslash.

It just seemed a little odd that levelling up into an advanced class netted you an extra skill along with all the other improvements.

>>45338683
A slayer who doesn't get Rushdown when a knight will never get it. A knight always has the ability to advance to Slayer should they survive their first floor.

>>45338683
Here is the critically important thing: Basic class skills can potentially be learned later via certain methods on Town floors, Adept skills probably can't. It's also possible that there may be other benefits to being a maxed out Adept but I'm not sure we actually have any?

>>45338683
Honestly I wasn't expecting people to survive this long.

Usually the pressure one gets from playing this is to advance to the Advance classes as soon as possible to improve your chances. The concept of waiting through an adept class is quite literally to hold one over until they find a class they want since downward and horizontal mobility doesn't exist in this game.

To even survive 3 floors as a base class is a feat in itself, to be commended but not exactly to be rewarded for. Adepts were never meant to be equal to advance classes but they do ADD ON to advance classes once you finally transition over. This is a considerable factor to take into account since an adept going advance is far more effective than an easy bake advance class.

>>45338683
The slayer is also more likely to die. Since having higher stats and more skill options allows the slayer to take on greater risk.

Also while a slayer probably wouldn't want [Rushdown]. [Evil Does Not Rest] and [Weapon Breaker] could be appealing to one.

>>45338824
Ah, that explains it then.

>>45338835
Certainly.
But going straight slayer still gets you higher stats (I was accounting for Evil...). Funnily enough you could get to 4 skills, wait a floor, get 1 adept skill and then grab 1 advanced skill immediately if there's 1 skill you really want.

But I guess I see the point of the system in light of survival being pretty difficult, I was looking at it from a somewhat outside perspective given game balancing.

Thanks for clarifying, I appreciate it.

>>45338272
Shiny-shiny! Thank you Lady Red. Suddenly, Rabbitspaw is confident in his ability to disarm anyone.

Question !

Could Rabbitspaw
>Move near A
>-Tap Purple River, pay 1 chi
>Butterfingers A's weapon at B within range 4
>Spinning Throw target A at B
And get Purple River to influence-hit A and B both?

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>>45338824
>>45338589
I am the prime suspect to be blamed for all of that crap I suppose... I am sorry...

>>45338512
>>45338571
>Its a choice, the Advanced Classes are arguably more powerful, but the adept skills for every class are very strong. It all depends on your play-style
>As for the worth of Adept skills? Judge for yourself.

From my limited perspective as Guide, the Advanced Classes ([Navigator and Scl[O]lar)are not "arguably" but SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful. Both statwise and skill wise their are clearly superior to Poka. Even after commissioning my own soft and feathery cloak and loosing my adept cloak in the process because apparently I am still a fucking retard.

I am seriously starting fear for my life next floor.

>>45337487
Burk what are you doing on that Photo?

>>45339281
Every instance of a hit requires chi. Considering it's a hit-heavy manuever it gets chi. Purple river may not affect B, since purpls river is specifically a melee skill.

>>45339357
Got it bossman Scholar, that makes perfect-maximum sense. Touching A it gets A, but B is not touched by Rabbitspaw at all and so is only hurt with physical violence and not Lady Aya Hidden Forest Technique-skills.

Also did not know that about Chi. Taking note-remembering.
Rabbitspaw could use Red Petals on butterfingered weapon instead. Thankee.

>>45337403
Look Ziggyfriedy, Rabbitspaw has picked up new tricks.

!!

You have a knife-dagger stuck in your back.

>>45339345
Well unless you are gunning for the knight/guide mix class, then there is now for you 0 reason not to change at the next floor (or after? I forget)

>>45339345

I'm making my way to the other side if this character sheet to see if I can lever open those Militia advanced classes, they look pretty heavy so it make take some time. Wish me luck!

>>45338272

Out of interest do the Rogue adept skills have these 'Skillz' too?

Like if you had [Lightning Reflexes] and [Kicksteal], and it triggered against an adjacent enemy, you could kick the weapon out of his hand.

And then if you had back attack you could kick him in the fork.

>>45339628
Rabbitspaw guesses someone with Lightning Reflexes could prepare Moonsault, then Butterfingers for same effect.

What can people with [Sworn] actually use the Pact for? Free vision, lux and blindness resistance and +1 mag.

Which is cool, but then they start accumulating Breath and can't do anything with it.

>>45339466
>then there is now for you 0 reason not to change at the next floor
Poka can aim to be elite/master Guide.

>>45305752
Let's not recall-remember that. Rabbitspaw has bad-awful memories about the next three seconds.

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>>45339840
>>45339466
Khya even if I survive and reach to those Elite or Master or EXALTED or whatever named levels (that currently doesn't even exist as far as I know) it will still not be a good as the Advanced Class version of it as the Adv Class abilities are simply better from the beginning and just the pure stat gain is also higher/level. Unless somehow it opens the ability to learn skills from other classes which I doubt because that defeats the whole purpose of having Advanced Classes at the first place.

>>45339970
Of course it doesn't exist. No one has reached it yet. You will next floor I believe. I am not entirely sure what need you have that isn't being met with guide-adept skills.

you've got a series of badass tricks you're the only one who can do, like Steel Song or ward netherwind fling or channel netherwind bus service (and channel netherwind offensive fling )

>>45339970
from my reckoning, an Advanced class is not able to learn adept skills or higher from the base class, (Unsure if that's period or unless they became an adept in their previous class)

Ontop of that I'm pretty sure the intention for Advanced Classes was the ability to specialize in an aspect of the class and would have a different skillset/playstyle, for all we know elite could be counted as a different class in that way. And then there's the thought of, hey what can an elite guide/knight do?

I myself am planning on doing my best to go Elite before we finish the paladin quest.

Is it possible to play as one of those other races?

>>45338272
Would it be possible to use switch to unequip an item and free up a hand, then use skillz requiring an empty hand and re-equip the item all in one action?

>>45339936

"Oh, sorry, Rabbit! I thought it might be useful but I guess the opportunity has passed anyway."

>>45341008
Rabbitspaw is thinking you could ( watch Rabbits hands carefully )

>start turn
>switch weapon to inventory, free
>butterfingers, 1 action
>switch weapon to hands, free
>stab, 2nd action
>switch weapon to belt, free
>spinning throw target, 3rd action

Keep a hand free, and all is possible! Just never double switch on same action! Tricky tricky.

>>45341027
Is okay! Tremendously painful but okay. And maybe useful rune to know!

>>45339970
>it will still not be a good as the Advanced Class version of it
You're probably right, but at the same time I hope it is something powerful. As a reward for sticking with the Guide and for surviving that long.

>>45341208

Hey hey Rabbitspaw, I got a cool trick for you. Back attack + weapon throw a person, then prime as a bomb with [Red petals]

>>45341948
Can-can someone actually do that? Rabbitspaw has sudden urgent and insistent desire-need to test this trick.

Thank you Fleur-knight.

Rabbitspaw could even sneak-skulk up on someone, Ghost Hand them with their own weapon and then throw them at someone else.

Gosh.

This is so much better-nicer than being just a courier. Rabbitspaw really really hope-prays Veritas-Vidofnir-Florian is okay-allright with explosions.

>>45342340

Im not sure which skill you took as Shinobi, but I think Beckie might have Red Petals? Maybe she can test it.

>>45342393
I do not have red petals as of yet. I changed my mind on what skills I was taking for finishing Luxendarc.

>>45342340
>okay-allright with explosions.
everyone likes explosions

>>45342393
Rabbitspaw is undecided between Purple River or Red Petal. One for tricky-smart status effects, and one for clever explosions.

Choices, choices, they're hard.

>>45343808
Good to know quiet whispering voice-person.

>>45337718
You can always take rogue for one more level?

>>45343958
No, is okay Mister Hetros-hunterman. You give good-sound advice! Rabbitspaw has figured it out though.

Is-gets Switch and Steal and Stab and Send, then gets headache deciding between Purple River or Red Petals. But such is Life, is Fairness without Exclusion and Truth without Bias to consider best practice of skills. Am get neat Adept Rogue Uniform, which will look grand on Rabbitspaws tiny hammock in airship. Best of all possible worlds-plans.

>>45344080
>Send
Interesting way to put it.

And given everything, I'd say Red Petals will have more immediate uses for you.

>>45344164
>>45344080

It does good for your inventory space to not need bombs when everything is a bomb... even the cookies. Oh what a terrifying world we live in when the cookies are unsafe

>>45344164
Rabbitspaw has the Soul of a Poet, the Heart of a Dragon and the Luck of the Rabbit. He also has the body odor of a skunk, but is unrelated issue-problem.

But is fits, see! Also sounds better. Once all practiced, can be used to Send items and people all about! Then they explode. Best of all worlds.

>>45344320
Rabbitspaw promises to use his new highly explosive powers for Good. Luckily Rabbitspaw has Sworn-Bound himself to Dragon of Good, so is not going to turn into highly explosive overlord-dictator.

>>45339751
Dragon Magic remains to be completely untested so I'm very slowly adding in skills that could use it. But the first of those skills can be gained by doing a quest for your patron drgon

>>45344629
Don't forget the knight with the sword that uses a charge of it

>>45344629
Or be Siggismundy - he is good test case. Then when he swing-swirls his sword, it shoots lightning!

Meanwhile, Rabbitspaw will be over here. Waiting-wondering. Is perfectly smart. Can wait. Is no rush, Sigismundy can do initial testing-workshopping.

>>45336427
All kinds of things!

For a price! Right now I'm changing my paradigm! Prices are no longer actual money or information.

I want memories. Tell me a memory you have, a full one, an important one. You will keep it but I will record it, in return I will answer a question for you.

What do you want to know Mr. Paw?

>>45345617
>eyes
Memory trade-bargaining sounds like a bad plan for Rabbitspaw. But okay. Can bite.
Important memory.

Can-will tell you memory of The End of the World and Pie.

Floors ago, Rabbitspaw was not a thief. Just hungry-starving refuge. Not from Mal, hah! From war. Mal was just bad timing, universe ended before the fighting was all done. With great big burning fleets and great-big burning demons, Rabbitspaw saw large-odd stair into Nowhere and thought-figured it was better to die in mysterious arcitecturally unsound stairway than because of bombardment-bombs or Mal Angels or Reaper-spawn. So Rabbitspaw ran for it, and running, stole a pie. Rabbitspaw was hungry. Starving. Not soldier-fighter, just civilian. Is only fair!

Only, with end of the world-worlds and all, is not so fair perhaps. Lots-many hungry people crowding a staircase, not so many pies to go around, lots of blood-death-dying-screaming, not so many kitchens, people get jealous-hungry and shout. Lock Rabbitspaw up in chains. Not so bad, really, no murder-jury since refuges don't want to lose more people so got off easy. Beats vaporization-incineration-eaten by Mal. Rabbitspaw still got to eat pie by being quick.
Was best pie Rabbitspaw ever had. Was last pie Rabbitspaw ever had too. Don't remember if it was berry-meat-carrot. Don't remember taste. Do remember looking back at end of entire civilization-world-planets, solar collapse, climbing stairway over scrabbling bodies, blood flickers, twisting ground. And tiny warm breadcrust in hands. Little slice of almost-home. And is silly memory, but Rabbitspaw thinks perhaps maybe someday somewhere somehow, if lucky and clever and good, can make place for other people to have pie. No end of the world involved. Is tiny stale-breadcrumpy reason to carry on, think Rabbitspaw can construct recipe from this memory and then entire world won't be all lost-forgotten.

So there. Is memory of greatest-best-theft Rabbitspaw ever made.

Is happy?

>>45346028
VERY MUCH SO!

Is an excellent memory, and deserving of an important question.

What will you ask?

>>45346145
Rabbitspaw is tempted to know about The Meaning of Life or Where to Find Goats. Maybe how Humble Goat Herder is doing in his travels to other places. Or maybe-maybe Moore's question How To Become A Librarian. Maybe even Where To Find Progrom so Rabbitspaw can stab-slash him in the eye. But no.

Rabbitspaw wants to know what you use the Memories for. What business-shop-enterprise sells or buys intangible thought-memory?

>>45346302
That is a very VERY valuable question... But I will tell you.

>Pulls out an apparently empty bottle

I bottle them, and age them, and harvest the nostalgia for sale later.

>>45346324
... That is a brilliant-clever business conceit, and Rabbitspaw can feel the desire for pie-stalgia already.

Pleasure doing business with your Mr. Scholar.

>>45346403
Remember to recommend me to your friends!

>>45346471
Better yet, invest with Safe Investment Solutions! Guaranteed not to be a Volgon Pyramid Scheme!
Make your zenny back in no time at all!

>>45346840
I'm not asking for zenny! So we're not in competition! By all means, invest with this fine fellow, and let me record and bottle your dreams!

>>45346840
Normally Llama Holdings handle-manage our accounts. Rabbitspaw would like to embark-venture on exciting investment adventure but is broke-poor-pieless runner.

But is also suspecious of high calibre zenni-aether-market financial bubble fraud. Fears coming darc crystal bubble bust-pop.

Do you accept-take pocket lint, water and explosive-bombs as investment?

>>45347037
We accept crystals and zenny. And highly illegal Void Touched artifacts.

>>45348371
>And highly illegal Void Touched artifacts.
I am sure we have nothing of the sort.

Weird casts of characters get met in the wherever we are right now

>>45351304

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>>45352117
" Just do what we do, ignore em, don't make eye contact and pray that the Mal one day eats them. I'll offer that one for free "

>>45353175

They contribute to the gaiety of nations. As long as you don't give money to them.

>>45353175
Just because some of us went to technical magic school instead of the schola doesn't mean you can look down on us!

>>45353175
>>45353773

Wizard fight? Wizard fight!

>>45353848
I'm not crazy! He went to schola! They teach BATTLE MAGIC there. The best you can afford in Technical Magic School is basic Wundercrafting.

>>45354003
WunderWand Wizard Whittle war?

WunderWand Wizard Whittle War!

>>45354024
Now that would just be shaming him. My wand whittling is grade A!

>>45354038
Why not a quiz off then? Make it grand and in turn, make it profitable.

Wizard quiz! Wizard quiz!

>>45354196
No, yall shut up now, Durian needs his sleep. No more noise on the decks.

>>45355476
Sorry Ziegfrieddy.
Also-also you still have knife in your back.

>>45355621
I can't really reach it, take it back will you? The wound will close by itself.

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Floor 5 is going along swimmingly. Testing out size classes and terrain :v

>>45356259
That lumberjack axe looks suspecious. Quick, someone blow it up.

>>45356259
Most of my characters die in nice forested areas like this...

But it's a very fun change of scenery from cities, towers and eldritch airship graveyards!

>>45356259
How are the trees going to work? What kind of effect does the environment have in general? -- I didn't see anything in the doc, sorry if I missed it.

>>45356786
Mostly, they're just kind of pretty.

>>45356786
Shit will hide under it or in it, but its just there, taking space and blocking the view. Like real trees!

>>45356786
To actually answer your question they will likely block line of effect, line of sight - and if you destroy them maybe you can pick up some Wooden Shrapnel. Maybe.

They're just beautiful trees - they won't have a special effect.

>>45356905
Like everything on the map they possess stats, an element and is destructable. Crushing and acid tends to do a great job of damaging terrain directly.

>>45356812
>>45356905
That's actually what I was wondering they might do. They will block enemy line of sight, right?

>>45356936

As much as they block our line of sight.

>>45356932
I was assuming the ability to render large chunks of terrain asunder and in turn be crushed by new avenues of approach under the whittling hailfire of enemy combatants was implied.

>>45356936
Block LOS, block LOEffect, can light them on fire, maybe tip them over and crush someone, if you're strong uproot them up and throw them

>>45356932
And fire in forests, everyone remembers how fun that is.

>>45357929
>And fire in forests
Well, at least now I have a use for Hydras pulse.

>>45356932
Quick question about Infuse. How long does an infusion last on a weapon/stack of ammo/whatever and how many things can a can of solution be used on?

>>45358926
1 Floor.
1 Item slot. Whatever fits on an item slot fits in a suspension chamber.

How does the discovery of things like advanced classes work? Do they get revealed by the story, or must someone "upgrade" to them to reveal them?

>>45359568

So far all of the classes we have discovered have been from finding dudes of that class and helping them/rescuing them.

Like on the second floor, we came across a bunch of dudes who wanted us to find their friend, and that is how we unlocked 3 advanced classes at the end of the floor because they all made it out alive.

I dunno if the rules are going to be changing going forwards but that is how it was last Tier.

>>45359616
That was a QUEST! And now it's also QUESTS! To unlocok stuff.

>>45359616
We can also lose an Advanced Class if we lose access to the trainer and all of our members of that class die.

>>45362650
Ghouls will always be available as long as I can bite people!

>>45362728
That's a lot of ghouls.

>>45363277
And that's how it should be ;)

>>45362728
>Ghouls will always be available as long as I can bite people!
That is comforting.
It's highly unlikely we will lose a class this way, especially Ghoul since Graves tends to stay on the airship. And you guys are so hard to kill.

New possibilities if we lose something. It'll be fine.

Super low chances we will ever lose an Advanced class, but yeah something would replace it.

>>45365364
Yeah! We shall preservere!

Just making a decision to change what skills I take from last floor's leveling up. That Sword Rune has proven to be too tempting. Bind will have to wait!

[E] Jackie ; Level 6 ; Party Leader
=Human, Or am I?=
HP : 5/5 (4+1) MV : 4 ATK : 1 DEF : 1 MAG : 9 (4+3+2) ACT: 2 WORDS : 3 (0+3)
Equipped :
-Main : The Space in Our Minds ; Magic +3; Grants Space; 3 Words; Applied Fairy Ink
-Offhand: Academic Writing Tool ; Magic +1; Range:4 ; Runes can be written at Range; Grants Time)
-Offhand : Dog Whistle
-Armor : Mask of the Forgotten ; Magic +2, HP +1, Darc Immunity
Bag : 60z
-4.5 x Cookies ; Heals 3 HP, two bites
-Chalk x3
-Lux Shard x2

Spells : Arrow, Block, Ring, Ball, Hand, Eye, Sword, Glass ][
Summons : Mothman
Skills : In Tandem

>>45367376
>Yeah! We shall preservere!
Always.

No more business? No more stories of memories past in return for answers of dubious veracity?

>>45373171

"You're admitting that you peddle in information of questionable credibility?"

>>45373917
I never claimed otherwise. I peddle in truths! Not facts!

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>>45374409
"You're a horrible person..."

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"Greetings from the Furiosa, gents. We've been waiting on you quite a while but it seems myself and Army decided to move the ship on the Floor, worry not however we'll be hanging tight in outpost on that floor to meet up with an old friend.

So why did I leave you this crysta message ? Well quite simply to thank Questi. Her measurement method of "kero power" has been indispensable in my Alquemical studies and for the benefit of future Alquemists I've managed to measure accurately the magical power of Elemental Crystals or as we like to call them; Natures.

=Alquemy Damage Measurement=
So we've established that crystal power multiplies by a factors of 2 and 4 everytime they are split up but that number only applies if the entire "fragment" is spent. So what if it was dilluted ?

To begin let me tell you the potential Kero measurements of each fragment, starting with a Shard, and Ending with a Bloq.

Shard. 2 Kero
Crystal. 4 Kero
Bloqs. 8 Kero

Modifiers. To get the final Mag output of any crystal apply these modifiers next to its Kero Rating.

Solutions [Raw]. When thrown will applicate its entire Kero rating in Mag + Mag of caster.

Infusion. Adds 1/2 Kero to Infused item/stack. Mag of item user is used instead of the Alquemist who performs the infusion. Despite the small bonus, being able to apply your Mag stat is a huge deal.

Engrave. Adds +Rune bonus to an applicated solution, however the nature's kero rating doesnt apply.

Mag damage of....
Bullets:
UponHit: [BulletDamage] then,
Post Hit: [Mag+Kero[half or whole]]+[Runic value].
If the bullet target and the spell target are the same, damage stacks as one term.

Raw Solutions: (When one solution is applied to one container.)
Uponhit: [BeakerDamage] then,
Post hit: [Mag + Kero+ Runic(if the beaker is engraved) ]
Collateral: Surrounding tiles get hit for half as much...

Summonings: 1.0 Kero rating used for the Ritual. Otherwise it is listed..

>>45375176
=STBFAQ=

" Why do Infusions only apply half Kero ? "
Some infusions can be used to imbue STACKS of items with likely diluted natures. And as covered, natures that are fragmented tend to lose half its power. It's the law ! The magical Law !

Why are Raw Solutions Stronger ?
LIkely because a liquified Nature is still a whole nature in its present quantity... I wonder what happens if 6 Solutions of the same element were mixed together...

So if I make a solution with a Shard...
Then it's a 2 Kero elemental solution [alpha]

And if I make a solution with a Crystal...
Then it's a 4 Kero elemental Solution [beta]

SO IF I MAKE A BLOQ SOLUTION W-
" 8 Kero elemental Solution [gamma] "

Can different grades of solutions be mixed ?
" Absolutely not ! You will end up with an unstable compound resulting in Salt ! "

Is it possible to get higher mag output than the Kero rating ?
" Yes. But it would not require a darc solvent, but instead Pyras Solvent, which creates the Powders, Gels, and Fuels that the Volgon Empire uses amounts of. I would urge you to experiment, but this is one of those thing where I will recommend putting it off until you know exactly what you are doing [Adept ], lest your life is cut extremely short"

" Can normal people use natures to boos their mag ? "
" They can actually... but it takes an act and the nature is burned up for 100% kero "

>>45375176
WHAT TERROR HAS SCIENCE WROUGHT?!

>>45375176
".........I volunteer to hold Ziegfried down so we can infuse his teeth. Depending on the length of time it lasts and if its possible it is definitely worth his pain."

>>45375240
This is...
Thank you so much Questi! So a normal guide can use a shard-solution to get +2 mag for their next spell.

Could someone use a raw aetha shard? A shinobi could break one, get a boost and then apply that new high Mag with spirit fist?
Or quick mage defense for people. The possibilities are endless as they are expensive

>>45375357
Ah yes our shinobi friends could also benefit as equally. Let us just cast my comment on forceful dentistry to the void.

>>45375357

Quaz, actually. Just saying.

>>45375410
Well it's Questi's theoretical grounding. I guess Quarz is the engineer here.

Thanks to both?

>>45373171
Can you answer something for me? I don't know if you-- if it's possible. I know we've not met before, but...it would help. It's a worry I've held in my brain for too long.

Did I kill anyone? Did anyone die because of what I did? Could I have changed things if I had stayed?

You, uh, want a memory. I don't think I have a lot of those. I haven't lived long. But...flowers. They're pretty rare where I was. They grow in the cracks between bricks. I remember their smell. The poppies, I mean. Whenever we found them, we'd pick them. They were our symbol. I'd follow the militia on their patrols, and we'd all sit down and rest among the poppies. I pretended to be a soldier. I remember marching up and down while the rest of them joked and laughed, and the Gran Capitán picked one and tucked it in my hat. He called me a real militiaman. That night I got to stay up and eat with all the soldiers.

Well, that's my payment. Tell me, what is the answer to my question?

I read the lore, but I might have fucked up with that story.

When do you guys usually start playing? I kind of want to hop in

>>45376141
Game starts when map is done and content is caught up. And normally a game thread goes up and lasts for a week or so before a new one takes its place at a rate of around 1-3 turns a day.

Sometimes it goes faster, usually on the first and last days of a map.

Pick a base class here. [Middle 6 classes in grey]
>>45337487

So after much consideration, I've decided to transfer my two Bloqs to the Group Bank, rather than leave them in my own. Please don't waste them on anything frivolous, as they are VERY VALUABLE.
>Transfer 1x Darc Bloq and 1x Lux Bloq to Group Bank.

StatusEffects:
LVL:3
ATK: 2 ACT: 2 DEF: 1 HP: 4+1 MOV: 4 MAG: 3+2+1
M.HAND: Lv. 3 Oracle's Staff[Spirit] Mag+3, Rng 4
OFFHAND:Floor Notes
Gear:Fool's Cap(+2 Mag +1 HP)
BAG:Wand[Plant] Mag+1 Rng 3, Book of Fire, Mag +1 Words 2,
Bank:
Skills: Pulse, Channel, Ward, Cleanse, Polarize, Hand, Tangent, Sacred Geometry

>>45376327
Noted. I will make sure to ask you first before allowing anyone to withdraw them.

>>45376327
>8 Kero of POWAH

I'll admit I laughed a bit.

>>45375576
>Shady Scholar actually pauses before answering, his voice is surprisingly frank rather than his usual oily tones.

"Look kid, nobody can do anything about the Malebolgia. Not even Volgon magitek and science. All anyone can do is run. What can one person do against a tornado or a hurricane or an earthquake? Nothing. And the Malebolgia leaves nothing, not even rubble to dig survivors out of. Could you have saved more people? Maybe. Would you have probably been erased and those people too? Almost certainly."

>Puts a cork in another apparently empty bottle from his counter and then sticks it into a box under said counter.

>>45376766
You build magical infrastructure resistant to those things of course!

>>45376790
That would be the purpose of Terminus Crystals and Airships, essentially. Terminus Crystals produce the fields which permit temporary staving off of the Malebolgia, while Airships enable people to better flee from it.

>>45375240
This is intriguing! I may have to make some purchases next time we encounter the crystal market.

>>45376869
Oh no. Charon had ideas.

>>45376766
I-- it wasn't the Maleb...no. You're right. I think. I'll try to sleep again tonight. Thanks.

So what about you? What questions do you need to ask? What memories would you bottle up? Or is that against the rules.

--Sorry, I'll leave you to it. Do you know where I can get patched up? My head split open again.

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>>45376141
We are in a general thread so feel free to create a character and maybe even RP with us before we begin.

I don't know, should I play a rogue or a mage?
Runic magic seems fun, but rogues have a lot of neat tricks

>>45379584
At this point, it's up to you. We have slightly fewer rogues than mages at the moment (I think 5:6?), if that affects your decision at all, but mages are probably more useful generally, so just pick whichever sounds the most fun.

>>45375314
Yes, if its possibly, I volunteer to hold myself down as well.

>>45375314
>>45379948

Why infuse his teeth? Why not just file down shards and make teeth out of that?

>>45379987
yeah you could have different sets of dentures dependant on what kind of damage you wanted to do!

and a set of Pyras dentures to cook your dinner while you eat! get all the flavors in a gradual mix and mash!

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>>45380447
He could be like King Shark!

>>45379948
We Have the Technology. We can remake him. We can rebuild him. Faster. Better. Stronger. Toothier.

Zieg II: Mastication Buggalo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DLq4EtSfzU

>>45382532
>>45380975
Maybe, if its doable within the rules I will try it 100%.

>>45375240
Can my teeth be infused? Or do I need to find a blacksmith to make me a retainer/braces to work on?

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>>45383186

>>45383346
I can already probably do that.

>>45378136
"I don't answer questions kid, and any memory will do. Nostalgia can be drained from anything."

>>45384531
Will I really be able to beat Queen Beryl one day?

>>45384733
"Ah ah ah! You gotta give me a good memory first!"

>>45384833
I was kidding, I already killed Queen Beryl. It's why I went to prison, and I escaped when the Mal devoured my world.

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>>45375576
Hey.
Rabbitspaw likes flowers. They're pretty. Am tiny little seed-sprout-plant that grow, and you step on it, and it grows back up.
Is like your heart. Is tiny little thing, then stepped on, and hurts, and is grow back stronger. Is okay. Did bad thing, maybe? Maybe worried did no thing at all. Maybe worried did too much.
Made mistakes, yes?

But is like flower. Little heart grows back up and sprouts and makes more flowers and more little hearts-minds, and you make up for maybe-mistake by not-ever quitting.
Will be fine. Rabbitspaw believes in you.

Here. Have Rabbitspaw-believes-in-you bomb. Rabbitspaw drew-made happy smiling face on it with chalk. Also am have real bullets for real militia. Is real militia in the Wyrd Hunt.

>Give Lux Shard to Group Bank
>Give 4x Pumpkinshots, 1x (Chalky Smiling Face) Minibomb to El Capitan

==Lvl 3 $, Lux Pact==
ATK: 2+3 ACT: 3 DEF: 1+1
HP: 5 MOV: 4+2 MAG: 4 SIGHT: 8
CHI: 0 BREATH: 0
M.HAND: Black Jacket, +1 Mov, +2 atk, ignore Armor+Shield
2n Hand: --
GEAR Courier Tengu's KATA, +1 hp, def, mov, +2 bag, Fireproof
BAG: 5/6
2x Riceballs, 10xLlama Water, Chalk, Minibomb, Cobra's Promise (+3 atk, 1 hp 4 turns poison)
AMMO: 4x Stunrounds, 2x Pumpkinshots
BANK:
Skills: [R] Steal, Backstab, Weapon Throw, Switch [$] Red Petals

>>45384988
Question: Does the thief starter bomb stack with the mini bomb?

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>>45385086
Is same bomb-bomb. Is mini, like mini-fit in pocket. So can carry Five at one time! In same pocket! Brilliant-smart.

Also you are very loqacious for a mime-quiet-rogue. Have another chalky bomb. Then you can try-fit it for yourself.

>>45385086
Stack? It's essentially the same thing.

>>45385153
Verbal shakes his head and points to what is obviously an out of character comment.

>>45385217
Is okay Verbose-Verbal, put bomb on bomb and get bomb-bomb. Then throw it at people! Is what rogues do. Is clever-smart trick.
Rabbitspaw don't need bombs so much. Also like making friends. Maybe teach Rabbitspaw how to talk with hands more than mouth.

>>45385531
Verbal nods. He waves his arm in a wide circular motion over his head and down to the ground.
He extends his arm towards the floor and, with a swift flick of his wrist, seems to pluck nothing from the ground.
He brings it back towards his nose, he cups his hand with the other, closes his eyes and breathes in, picking up a seemingly delightful aroma.
His eyes open and he smiles and extends his arm towards Rabbitspaw, holding nothing in particular.

>bump

"Hey I got a question to any of the scholars. Has any one attempted to turn the tables on the mal and trap it in a bubble of slowed time rather than hiding in quickened bubbles, or just reverse summin him somewhere else?

>>45389320
" I hope you weren't joking ... No, you're not joking well no matter it's not like you were around when the 13th Board of Education was around so I'll just --"

Veritas: We have.

Questi: !!!

=Containing Nothing=
To begin with, the absolute size of this thing far exceeds the total magic that the spiral can summon all once, imagine a piece of straw balanced atop of an iron cauldron. If the straw was use, then the Mal was the cauldron. So we resorted to something bigger, and the only thing bigger than cauldrons and straws are the gods of eld themselves. Sleeping in forgotten corners of the Void waiting for something like the Mal to come in and deliver them from an agonizing existence.
This is how the board had begun to entreat one of such Elder Gods, currying favors even in its dreamlike state. However try as they might, even beginning to talk to them lead to their collective maddening. However they did manage to do one thing of note, and that was to grab their attention. So now, we have the ire of more than a handful of outsiders looking in on what could possibly be the last jewel of this universe. Sending Agents and Hosts to entertain themselves while the world ends.

>>45389652
And sending agents to spur on the end faster since they want it to end it sounds like.

>>45389652
"Aaah too bad. Would of felt good to be able to chunk away at it as it followed but if its as big as you you say then lets hope one of those gods realize that the Mal is destroying the game enjoy as it plays..

>Suddenly Bubblewulf frowns as he realizes something and begins to whisper.

"Should we be talking about the board? My parents warned me to ignore the things I thought might be in the closet or under the bed ,or else! Only learned later that the fear of the dark was warranted."

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" Well shit... landing is gonna be tricky, folks we got a bit of a problem. The Furiosa is hung up and can't land in a spot near you. My reccomandation is to find a big field and clear it of baddies or barring that, we just meet up on the next set of stairs. Either way, I'll see if I can support you from the air. Be on the lookout for Pyracyte , Lux, and Aerocyte natures if you find any "

Quaz: It seems Unmen Moblins have overrun the road, I guess theres more to this bandit theory than meets the eye - we're dealing with a Bandit Horde !

Map Completion: 37%

Well, before we land in their midst we should know what our foes are capable of. May I borrow your spyglass so I can get a closer look Sir Armistan?

>Use [Hunter's Lore] on the Unmen Moblins

[H] Livia : Level 5 : Adept
HP: 4/4 MV: 4 ATK: 3 (2+1) DEF: 2 (1+1) MAG: 2 (1+1) ACT: 2
Equipped :
-Main Hand : The Thousand Arms. ; Lvl 5. ; [Legendary Fake] ; Hidden Skills: Open Book, Page Turn, Close Book
-Armor : Justice Overcoat; Atk+1, Def+1, Mag+1
Bag :
-9 Chains; Rope substitute
-Iron Maiden ; Bag Substitute, can be used to trap creatures
-War Maiden; 3 Atk, 4 Def, Shield, Has 3 Health, Can store 2 weapons
Inside War Maiden
--
--

Skills : Hook and Pull, Suspension, Rig, Bloodlust, Rig Network, Lurk, Hunter's Lore

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>>45390910
"About as much good as a spyglass on a vadeo is gonna do anyway... "


[The Enemy Is Common and Well Known around the Spiral. For this reason, their whereabouts are well documented among hunter circles]

>>45390990
Oh. Those. Well at least by the time we're through there will be less of them for a time.

>>45390990
It should be noted that we have yet to measure their combat experience against hunters...

>>45390990
Looks like we want to peg the bannerers to weaken every one else, and then focus on spikers for higher damage potential.

Those scrappers look nasty too. We're gonna have to burn our way through these guys. Be pity our alquemist doesn't have crimson solution, we could use a flame thrower on the front right now.

With just a hunter alone? I doubt I'd fare well. One hit might put one of them down almost no matter what the weapon, but they have numbers on their side. I'd kill one or two then die.

Hunters lack the ability to clear large groups of enemies. No for a mob you need skills that can blast away 3-4 of them at a time. Or more. For base classes, Militia, Mages, Knights, all are good choices for exterminating these pests before they can overwhelm you. Kill everything that gets within 5 paces of you and they won't be able to play to their strengths.

For advanced classes? Lady Jenny could most likely clear out most of them by herself. Using nothing more then Jump and Spinslash.

>>45391601
We must also take into account if community aura effects hunters and if it has a range.

And as long as we don;t burn the forest down first thing we can use the trees for barricades and just lob spells and chains over them

>>45391601
If you need me to loan you a hunter bomb I can Livia, such things can help enormously.

Rolled 3, 2 = 5 (2d6)

Ignore me, chaps ~

I'm okay with dice scholar

>>45391983
That is alright, if I need to be clearing lots of small enemies quickly I am in the wrong place for my role among the Wyrd Hunt. Despite its name Hunter is not a class that excels in killing things. I instead help remove enemies from play, either temporarily through suspend or permanently with the various maidens.

That isn't to say I won't expect to get a few moblin kills in during the first few turns.

>>45392371
quite likely. Instead we'll need to scout ahead, laying rigged trails to move people about swiftly as necessary. If the group splits up, whoever moves second should go with the other group, so that both groups will have someone with a stash of chains.

Hunters are not scouts, even with Lurk we lack the flexibility of shinobi and rogues who excel at that role. We're a support class.

>>45392418
I disagree, I think the flexibility of Hunters, their ability to quickly move and traverse terrain, and hook and pulls ENORMOUS amount of flexibility, plus our ability to quickly remove enemies from the fight with the right preparation, can all play a role in a scouting function. Lurk just makes the job easier.

I'll be testing the theory next map.

This looks awesome. Can I join on this next floor?

>>45392451
Yes

>>45392451
probably! Just keep an eye out for the threads! Use a filter so you don't miss it!

Or follow Monday @MondayDestroy on twitter.

>>45392454
>>45392456
Awesome. Would an alquemist be useful here? They look cool but I don't fully understand their skills.

Is there a pastebin with all the stuff

>>45392486
The doc here
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pBtAtH90iwCCRSlBASU8PKdILrhJh4x87yHYaLAqi8A/edit?pli=1#
covers pretty much everything, including Alquemists.

>>45392486

Wellll.. you have the choice of the basic classes. As you gain level, you can switch over to the advanced classes.
So your options would be
Knight
Rogue
Hunter
Mage
Guide
Militia

[Ball]
[Block]

I'm seeing a B theme here.

>>453925811
[M]Bloom : Level 1
HP:3 , Mv:3 , ATK:0 , DEF:1(0+1) , MAG: 4(3+1) , ACT: 2

Equipped:

• Main Hand : Chalk
• Offhand : Magic Book (Fire, 2 [WORDS], Range 3)
• Level 1 Mask (+1DEF, +1MDEF)

Skills : Block, Ball

Bag:
• 1 Student Notes
• Chalk
• Mask (+1 Mag, +1 Def)
• Magic Book (Fire, 2 [WORDS], Range 3)

Money on Person: 0

Bank:
•Zenny: 0z
Vault:

>>45393242

How do you have a mask both on your face and in your bag ?
[you are otherwise wasting space ;o]

>>45393369
I have the bag over my head.

>>45393394
Ah.