Once had a guy who refused to tell the GM his current HP total and would frequently "just" survive attacks that should've put him into the negatives.

After he got caught erasing damage before a major attack, the GM instated a rule where if you don't tell him your HP total, he just made all attacks auto-crit if they hit you.

>>48434419

I've played with Virtualoptim. Last time I told stories here, they were pretty popular. That was back in December? January? Anyway I have some more stories now if anyone would like to hear them. However I am no longer a part of his gaming group, so this will be the last batch.

>>48435795

Shit like this is why the DM should just track his HP for him and call bullshit when he starts cheating.

Or better yet, just kick him out of the group.

>>48435886
Yes, tell us the story!

>>48435886
Tell us about Virt.
Also, is he still banned? Is he ban-evading?

>>48435886

Sure, do it.

>>48435886
Intrigued.

>>48435886
>30 minutes later
>5 responses
>No response

Well glad to see the ban evasion is going well VirtualOptim, hope the mods really stuff it in hard this time.

>>48435904
>>48435908
>>48436001
>>48436321

Okay I will tell some tales.

And no, he is not. He actually told me quite a bit about his router resetting like he was proud of it.

He also searches his username on 4plebs quite often, so he found the stories I told about him. This contributed to my being removed from his gaming group, among other things.

I have several stories that are actually gaming-related:

> Warrior Rogue & Rage (from when we played Warrior Rogue & Mage)
> Cyberpunk Edgelord Rampage
> Ex-Girlfriend Visits and Plays 5e With Us
> My Last Game

Shitty titles I know but I am responding late so I don't want to make you guys wait too long, sorry. Working on Pretyping and got distracted.

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>>48436465
Tell us all of them, wondrous-chan! Regail us with your great history!

>>48436552

Which would you like to hear first? I have given up pretyping, I will just type them out as they come to avoid being too long-winded.

>>48436614
Whatever, just be entertaining with your lies.

>>48436614
How about Cyberpunk edgelord?

>>48436614
Rage

>>48436614
>>48436671

Currently GMing a cyberpunk game so Ill second the edgelord rampage

>>48436614
Edgelord, and save Last Game for last for obvious reasons.

>>48436787
>>48436788
>>48436671

Sounds good.

Cyberpunk Edgelord it is!

So in the last few months things have not been going well for Virt. I have not seen him in over a month. He lost his job at the local game store due to scheduling concerns and he had to get another shitty min wage job while he's still finishing his college. Virt *loved* working at that game store, and having to deal with cunts at Subway was driving him nuts. So he became even more dark and angry than normal. One of my friends got a girlfriend and Virt killed off her Pathfinder character within like 3 sessions of her joining and described her getting eaten by an ogre or something. As a result she didn't play much after that.

So after a while Virt decides he wants to run a cyberpunk game using Savage Worlds cause we've never really done cyberpunk. None of us know anything about Shadowrun but Virt says he'll make up the setting. Except at the last minute, one of my other friends decides he wants to GM, so Virt gives up the reins and starts making a character.

Continued below, sorry I am taking so long.

Cyberpunk Edgelord Part 2

We were planning to buy the Interface Zero book for Savage Worlds but Virt took a look at it and decided he didn't like it. I think part of this has to do with the fact that we were going to buy it from his former employer and he has made a point of not buying anything from that store since he quit/was fired.

I should also point out that half the reason Virt wanted to play Cyberpunk was the "tough moral choices" that he thought would be involved. He's the one who introduced me to /tg/ and he showed me this screencap of a Shadowrun story where a guy shot a bus full of children to stop the BBEG. Then everyone pointed out that there was another way out of it and the guy was like "oh shit." I can't remember the story for sure, but virt seemed to relish the idea of killing innocent people in the cyberpunk game.

So he started making a severely edgy character. He named his character Dan Staver (dunno why I remember the name) who had super-good shooting skills and very good stealth. Virt's backstory was that he was an ex-criminal who was now a gun for hire. Which i was fine with, I mean that was what most of us were. And it was meant to be noir-ish so it fit in with the setting. So I didn't mind.

Then we started playing.

Part 3

I should point out that Virt, despite being a massive asshole, is far and away the best GM I have ever played with. I don't know why, maybe it's one of those "you must suffer to write" type of things. The other guy we were playing with was not nearly as good as Virt and he didn't have much patience for less-than-satisfactory GMing. Virt started riding this guy's ass over random things then backed off when he realized he was annoying the GM.

The story started out pretty standard, with us being tasked to sabotage a PMC that was gearing up to try to overthrow the government. Virt played his character very ruthlessly, he would take prisoners then shoot them after questioning them, leave weird messages painted in their blood about freedom and democracy, something about well-armed lambs, I have no fucking idea what half of it meant. The GM was just like "....ok" whenever Virt did that stuff.

Of course Dan Staver the ex-criminal was still partly a criminal and would do random mean shit as one of his flaws... I think he took "mean" as his Hindrance in Savage Worlds. So he would steal candy from kids and shut the door on people and other petty shit. Again, just RPing his character.

Then at one point we got cornered by this PMC agent who basically said, the jig is up, we know who you are, and where you live. We were in a cafe at this point. Virt took out a handgun and said if the PMC guy didn't fuck off right that instant he would light up everyone in the cafe, shoot the PMC guy with another gun and put the first gun in his hand after everyone else was dead, and make sure the PMC guy was blamed for starting the gunfight and accidentally killing a bunch of people.

The rest of us were like WTF that plan barely even makes sense, how would 25 innocent bystanders get killed in a shootout between us. But Virt said to shut up. The PMC guy agreed though and called Virt out on his bluff.

So virt did it.

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>>48437033
I remember that screencap, did he even read the last half?

>>48437033
lol @ the children.
I had a similar but cool incident:

My wizard was in essence forced to decide between "the greater good (tm)" to defeat a Menace which could easily have devastated entire Regions, or on the other hand, saving a relatively small town of maybe like ten families or so from an evil raid.

Due to time-constraints my character could not do both and not enact any plan to somehow compensate for the neglect of either option via a third partie. He also knew that one other playercharacter would definitely go to save the little village: The Group had stayed there for a couple of nights, and this rogue had gotten enamored with one of the farmers girls, who was a smart tomboy.

In the end I rolled for Philosophy and Self-Restraint separately, reasoning that rolling low or failing one test would require my figure to protect against the immediate danger for the village, while rolling high on both would lead to him reasoning for the greater good and exercising self control ( he was highly moral and compassionate all his life and couldn't ever abandon someone before ).

He rolled high, so the "greater good(tm)" it was, he told the group what they needed to hear, off we went and defeated the BBEG, stopped a smallscale apocalypse. One of our group died, and during the resolution and recuperation-period, I rolled again for his morals and self-restraint.

This time he failed, and finally cracked. But the group was there to console him, they were there for him, they understood the terrible decision he had to make. Starting with very high difficulty checks, supported by the group, this Mage would try to keep his act together, cope and overcome the terrible moral choice that had been forced upon him. With time, the rolls got easier and easier, finally we could move on and care for other things.

Part 4 (and final)

So Virt starts lighting up the bar with his machine pistol. This thing has ROF 4 so he can basically do 4 attacks a turn with it, and his shooting is d12 because he put half his skill points into it, so he is picking off 3 to 4 people per turn. Most of them run off, but Virt doesn't want any survivors, so he runs after them. But he can't kill them fast enough, and eventually he runs out of ammo after trying a full-auto-suppressive fire attack to at least slow them down. Meanwhile the rest of us are stuck facing this PMC guy who turns out to be a fucking ninja who pulls out a scimitar and starts attacking us. My character goes down after his damage dice explode like 3 times and I can't roll high enough to soak all the wounds. We eventually kill him, but by the point the police have shown up and Virt's character is under heavy police fire. At this point he's shot like 2 dozen civilians. He comes back into the cafe and barricades himself inside. He starts capping off the hostages, "women first" as he says, then once they are dead of course the SWAT team bursts in and shoots him dead (after he kills like 5 of them).

The result is like 23 dead civvies and 5 dead SWAT team, the PMC guy, and my character has a permanent injury.

Also we end up under government overwatch because Virt's character went berserk and we were associated with him. Which makes the 1 or 2 sessions we played of that campaign completely boring because we could barely make a move without running into federal spooks.

So we gave up on that campaign. We were kind of bored of Cyberpunk at that point. Still makes me worry about Virt... I mean wtf was he thinking. I think he just wanted to kill a bunch of innocent people in an RPG... and he really needed to ruin a whole campaign for it.

Well, that's it for that story. Next one? I'll save my last game for last. So it's between the ex-GF story and the Warrior Rogue & Mage rage.

>>48437283
Our next adventure started, and the checks for remaining sane and coping had become so easy, that I could basically not fail them. The group got to ease, we got onto our next big thing, and the GM told me, to roll one last time, gave me a veeeery easy roll.

And then this Wizard rolled a critical failure.
And while the rest of the party packed up the camp and put out the fire to start the days hike, he turned around as to take a piss, I made him take two steps into the woods, pull out the flintlock pistol, put it to his temple and pull the trigger.

I was emotionally stirred, but it felt kinda great at the time. We still sometimes remember it <3

>>48437283
>>48437318

That sounds interesting... what system was this?

And I will be back in about an hour for more stories, but let me know what you want me to tell next so I can try to pretype it.

>>48437165
>>48437033
>>48436900
>>48437289
cool story brah.
I can see the reasoning behind it, though:
> Murder every witness
> Murder innocents
> Frame the PMC
> Kill all the PMC as well

In the mind of a sociopath, it could easily make sense.
I can also relate to this guy, I also can't stand subpar gamemasters :-S

>>48437289

Ex-GF story

>>48437347
hey! I really liked your story as well.
It was DSA, or in english: TDE, which is basically the german version of D&D, though... very much more "german" in feel :)

I'd take:
> Warrior Rogue & Rage
please kthx

>>48437289
Either! Both!

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Im a Perma DM and I finaly got a chance to not DM and play a character. Player choosing to DM invites new girlfriend to the party. Now she made a rough that fights with Dildos and has a high rank in dildo crafting and the dm refuses to do shit about it. She also begs him for special items and shit and he caves in... I now see why everyone picks me to perma DM... im so sad.

>>48437476
well.
"Bros before hoes"
is an ideal oftenly striven for,
but seldomly attained.
It is known:
Such things bring gloom.

>>48437289
I vote for chronological order.
Whichever came first.

>>48437476
Graduate high school, that'll solve most of your problems.

>>48435886
I have been on /tg/ for a while now and it sounds newfag esque but I still have no idea who VirtualOptim and NiceDaemonette are, except for the fact that everybody hates them. Explanation somebody? The internet tells me nothing except more evidence that everyone hates them.

>>48437775
We have all graduated highschool she is 23.... fml

>>48434419
Bump

I am the forever Dm of the group,the bad player/dm stories i have is because they lack experience nothing else, but about two weeks ago i was making a 5e campaign with rotating dm, 3 sessions each one, i was the first, when the second dm started he separated all the players making it more difficult for him and boring for everyone else, but its not that his was bad he just lacked experience

>>48437289
ex-GF story pls!

Briefly had a guy picked up from FLGS who was a huge weeb and "nice guy" who always went out of his way to hit on every m'lady he encountered. This was just NPCs at first, but by the second session he worked up enough courage to start doing it to our asexual lesbian friend's character and remained pretty much glued to her the rest of the session. When he wasn't trying to be "charming" he was making LARP-style motions with his hands to "polish his katana" that just happened to be always right by his crotch; i.e., he was basically holding the base of an invisible dick right at his crotch and jacking it off.

We got rid of him. :)

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>>48438684
>asexual lesbian

>>48438789

She and her girlfriend are in a long-term romantic relationship which does not involve sex.

>>48437872
Get new friends

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>>48438845
So....a friendship?

>>48438887
It's romantic, so it's not a friendship, they probably just cuddle and kiss and all those sort of things, but the asexual woman doesn't feel any desire for sex so they don't have sex.

>>48438887
Not gonna argue about it; I'm just the messenger of a detail to the backstory, not a conductor on the train to a SJW magical realm.

>>48437400
>>48437594

Alright I am back, sorry. Had to go do something for a friend.

So we'll do chronological order. I was mostly asking to make sure at least a few people were still lurking so I wasn't typing out all these stories for nothing.

Anyway, so at one point Virt had this nostalgic kick and we played some AD&D for a while. He likes to switch between systems a lot, he says it keeps his creative juices flowing.

So one day we decided to try Warrior Rogue and Mage, which is a kinda cool game where you have three stats, Warrior Rogue and Mage, that you use for checks. it's level-up hp based, very rules light, and virt liked it because he said it was more like a "real RPG" than Dungeon World, a game he really hates.

So we started playing and it was an okay game, the core mechanic is like 100% broken but it was a cool idea. Virt, however, took this far more seriously than the rest of us. I think it's because he considered this game a rules-light fantasy option that was better than Dungeon World and wasn't an AD&D clone, so he was really mad that it wasn't that good.

At one point Virt was auto-hitting NPCs in the game despite not having a very high Warrior score. Suddenly he throws his d6 (you only roll 1d6 for your actions, which is part of why the game doesn't work so well when you have modifiers between +0 and +8 or more) across the room.

> craig wtf
> this game is broken. I literally cannot miss
> *chuckles* isn't that a good thing, man?
> no, it's retarded. the guy who designed this game is a fucking ex-3.5 wizards faggot who thinks D&D is the pinnacle of game design
> people laugh awkwardly
> dude do you not want to play it anymore?
> no. fuck this shit.

He actually picks up the rulebook he had printed out at Staples and TEARS it in half

> MICHAEL WOLF OWES ME TEN FUCKING BUCKS FOR THIS PIECE OF SHIT I SPENT AN HOUR PRINTING OUT

Continued below

>>48438969
But yeah, that to my understanding. They live together and introduce themselves as a couple.

>>48437400
Flintlock pistols in DSA?

Warrior Rogue & Rage Part 2 (and final part)

So after virt ripped up the WR&M book he apologized, lit the pieces on fire in his sink then freaked out when he realized it might set off the smoke detector and sprinklers.

Once everyone was gone virt started going on at me. I can't remember his entire rant but I will try to recreate as best I can, it was something like:

"I can't understand why all these fuckers who are stuck in 2003 cannot learn to design a game when they have a good idea for the first time in their fucking lives. Everyone who has worked on a D&D game is the laziest piece of shit imaginable. They don't even have to do any work, just change the rules a bit and release the game and even if they make up shit from 20 years ago people will act like it's new because that's all people play"

I told him it's okay, we can look for another game to fulfill his OSR tastes. To which he went on another rant about how Fantasy Craft and all the OSR clones are shit, as well as how he hates Reign and it's "clusterfuck" of a dice mechanic. The dude really does hate 90% of RPGs, I guess. After reading some of the posts he made on here, I guess I am not so surprised.

Virt made us play Grey Six for the next month and a half, except heavily house-ruled. This brought us to around March. That's about the time his ex came back to visit.

>>48437816

He's a huge jerk who used to post here and I know him IRL

>>48438684

Good for you, that sounds cringe-worthy as fuck.

Back in college we ended up playing a game of D&D in one of the public areas. The game mostly consisted of my friends and anyone else around who wanted to join, of which there was a fat asian man who did. The game goes pretty smoothly until my friend, playing a chaotic neutral half-elf ranger, rescued some prisoners from a dungeon cell and helped them escape. This got the asian guy really mad, yelling at my friend "You're supposed to be chaotic neutral! That means you do evil stuff to balance out the good stuff! Why didn't you rape the prisoners?!"
The game devolved into a huge argument and ended shortly after. We never played again that semester.

>>48439123
>Why didn't you rape the prisoners?

smdh

>>48439023
well, in Horasia there is a torque-string version of "flintlockpistols" :) There is also a popular hack called "peng instead of plong," which will re-skin some of these weapons and some of the crossbows to instead be firepowder-weapons ( but with the same statline ) :)

>>48439123
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Crazy Ching Chong

>>48439176
Yeah I know about Arbalests and the like bit DSA seemed always very anti-blackpowder to me.

>>48439103
lol.

So now, ex girlfriend story tiem?

>>48439270
well, it is very grounded in some regards.
However, in-world, there definitely is blackpowder.
It is in wide use across the ocean in Myranor, but in Aventuria not so much. This is partly due to problems in mass production: Blackpowder is a type of alchimy which, by its nature, will attract minor elemental ghosts when accumulated in high quantity.

This is the actual reason you don't have proper blackpowder-weapons on a large scale:
> Massproduce Blackpowder
> Minor Fire Elementals Appear everywhere
> They blow everything up

therefore, in-universe by the laws of the setting, blackpowder is something very rare, very fringe and not very usefull.

Except for my group.
We started going with "Peng! statt Plong" when we were doing a southern seas setting and reaching the southern continent:

It's just more fun to have ship to ship battles and a colonial-middle-america like setting, when there's gunpowder, explosions, smoke and shit :)

We stuck with it ever since: In the Middlerealm people use proper crossbows, but in Horasia and the southern Free Cities, people use blackpowder rules-equivalents :)

The Ex Girlfriend Story

This sounds like dumb-ass drama but it actually is gaming related. What happened is that Virt's ex-girlfriend had lost her job and Virt was basically cut off by his parents so she decided to start rooming with him until she found another job.

He told me all of this in a totally calm voice and I told him it sounded a bit weird that he was going to be staying with his ex. He just looked at me and started to grin then suddenly stopped. One of the creepiest facial expressions I've seen out of him.

So I went to hang out at virt's place for when his ex showed up because I wanted to see this.

His apartments on the second floor of a big old house so it overlooks the street. So virt was having me try some of the shitty drinks he likes to mix (I really think he is an alcoholic now, or at least flirting with it. Dunno how to stop him, don't really care anymore).

I hear a car door slam and I see a girl with light brown hair and glasses, tall, thin, not hugely attractive but pretty decent for someone who'd date Virt.

She comes in and they hug and she gives him a kiss on the cheek. She starts talking to me, I guess she finished a business degree but lost her job so she is moving down here now. She had a fairly quiet voice. Virt started drinking heavily and smiling every time she looked at him then going back to this chilled out frown when she looked away.

I was weirded out and only got more weirded out when she pulled out a present for Virt, which was gift wrapped and everything. He unwraps it, and, lo and behold, it's a D&D 5e players manual.

>>48439123

> "You're supposed to be chaotic neutral! That means you do evil stuff to balance out the good stuff! Why didn't you rape the prisoners?!"

Classic

>>48437378
No thats just an idiot player being an idiot player. Its a cyberpunk setting dude. CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. The current world is almost always under surveillance, I dont understand why a cafe in an high tech, corporate owned dystopia wouldnt have caught the whole ordeal or at least catch them walking into the diner (and consequentially not being amongst the scores of dead) or even catch the party leaving it either.

Yeah, you can justify any character behavior by saying "He's a sociopath" but that doesn't mean it was a smart move to make.

>>48437378
Virt, you have my permission.

>>48437289
Reminds me of a move my player made in my cyberpunk setting. Though he caught on that he made a dumb idea and made the best of his flawed logic afterwards.

Basically they had to get information out of a con-man. They did so by breaking into his house, sneaking up on him playing a pokergame with his gunmen, then revealed themselves and demanded they tell him the information.

While one guy attempted to intimidate him with his gun, this other player reveals he strapped himself with 5 satchels of C4 and threatened to blow everyone up if he didn't get the info.
"IF I DONT GET THIS INFORMATION THAT I BADLY NEED, ILL KILL US ALL, ALONG WITH ANY GOALS THAT I NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT INFORMATION."

>>48439274

Yeah. Sorry the Warrior Rogue and Mage Rage story wasn't as long or as interesting. These aren't as good as the ones I posted in the last thread, but I figured I might as well tell the few I had left even if I had to scrape the barrel, seeing as he's kinda out of my life now.

>>48439388

Anyway, so Virt unwraps the 5e PHB and I see his face twitch. His ex is like "oh now we can play D&D again like we used to."

He forces a smile and says thanks. I start chatting with his ex again and he walks into the kitchen and starts getting out some snacks and making mini sandwiches and stuff. I can see his fight wrapped really tightly around the knife.

So I'm sure you all know Virt hates D&D 5e (or "Next" as he always calls it for me). He used to spend hours ranting on Gchat about how much he hated it. I think part of that has to do with the fact that he used to be an Adventurer's League GM which basically equaled tard wrangler in our city. He's always gone on about how 5e was a mistake and that "Kike" Mearls isn't even a real game dev. I kinda cringe at this cause I'm part Jewish which Virt knows but I think he just doesn't give a fuck.

I also remember how his ex bought him All Flesh Must Be Eaten a year ago and he forced us to play it for months despite not liking the system. So I just KNOW he's going to force us to play 5e. Which i don't really mind, I don't like 5e a lot but it's okay.

And to my exactly zero surprise, Virt announces we will be resting the Grey Six campaign (virt's term for resolving a campaign completely but leaving it somewhere we could start a new arc later) and playing a D&D 5e campaign. Our rule is usually one D&D-esque campaign and one side campaign, usually GURPS, Savage Worlds, Mini-Six, or some other game, going at a time. So we have two campaigns to choose from.

So we set about making 5e characters. Virt was our perpetual GM as always (the guy who GMed the cyberpunk campaign where virt shot up the cafe had quit the group)

Cont.

>>48437289
Virt's gonna do a Columbine isn't he? At this point he needs fucking help or he's gonna get guns banned in our country.

>>48439534
this dude sounds like crazy fun. If you can accomodate him. Is he content with being forever a GM, or is he salty b/c he'd like to play as well?

>>48439534

So we were down to five players: Virt as GM, his ex, me, and two other guys. Neither of them were friends of mine; the other friends I knew from the group had mostly quit. One of the two was a new hire from the local community college; he seemed okay. The other one was a hipster virt had brought in mostly to fuck with and abuse. Both were decent roleplayers, but I was on the verge of leaving the group at that point. I mostly stuck around because Virt's GMing was really really good. He was the kind of guy that would take your lame-ass backstory idea and twist it into something really good. I hate to sound like that "MLG DM" copypasta but he really was like a professional game master.

So we started the D&D 5e campaign. It went on for about ten sessions. It took place in Virt's low fantasy world, and made great use of Virt's zombie obsession. If you've played the first Halo game, the plot was quite similar to that; we waged war on goblins coming out of the hills, cleared out one of their underground bases only to learn the reason they were fleeing was because of a zombie plague.

One thing I will point out is that Virt was a MUCH cleaner and kinder GM with his ex around. Usually he is like what I imagine John Wick is like, except less of a faggot, and more of an edgelord. We ran a Zombie Survival game in GURPs a while back and he graphically described a 14 year old girl being beaten to death with a sledgehammer by a religious zealot, and the villain would threaten graphic sexual tortures on our characters when we were captured. His descriptions actually made people cringe sometimes.

This time was a bit different. And he didn't exactly favor his girlfriend (who was actually a pretty smart player) but he did have mercy on her a couple times I noticed.

The worst part of this game was that it finally destroyed Virt's gaming group once and for all.

>>48439513

Top kek. Sounds brilliant :P Though at least he didn't just kill random people to be edgy.

>>48439664
Do you have brain damage?

>>48439712
do you? Sounds like he's some obsessive storyteller, and given a proper GM and strong players who dont give a fuck about his social anticks - but who are in it for a game and the storytelling - he could be great. Sure maybe you'd have wo wrangle him and keep him in check when he goes full "kill all innocents" retard, but maybe if he has a creative outlet and the opportunity to play proper games himself, instead of being the perpetual GM, it could be great.

>>48439684
I'm struggling to understand why you wouldn't just fuck his ex and then never talk to this guy ever again?

>>48439781

I should (and eventually did) but I am addicted to his GMing in a very unhealthy way.

Anyway, so this 5e game ended up imploding the gaming group. This is because Virt wanted to do a "different" kind of game where he used the zombies from the 5e monster manual, except their claws and bite were fatal, no save. Also, the only way to kill them was by burning their corpses. And by this I mean, they came back to life after half an hour if you didn't burn the bodies.

So hipster guy lost his gnome warlock to like 5 zombies after we killed them then moved on to the next room, fought a group of goblins and got attacked from behind by zombies. They killed the gnome and reanimated ten minutes later and scratched the community college guy. This is how we found out about the fatal injuries; Virt's GF was an archer and I was playing a wizard, so we mostly stayed out of melee, relying on CC guy to hold the front with his barbarian. Half damage while raging didn't stop this guy from losing like 2 hp, so he didn't give a fuck, fell asleep, then died and reanimated in his sleep.

So virt's ex and me were the only surviving players. We escaped the dungeon, ran back to town to restock on provisions.

So that was where we left off for the night.

Cue to that Tuesday when virt's friends email him telling him that they think the adventure is badly designed. I guess virt BLEW UP at them over email, told them they were pussies who couldn't handle combat that wasn't straight hack and slash. the CC guy was (kinda legitimately I guess) angry at virt because his melee character was nearly useless since any hit from the zombies was a death sentence. Hipster guy was angry because I guess he spent a lot of time on his gnome, who was 3'5" and very prideful about being taller than most gnomes (apparently). He was a pretty funny character. Reminded me of Miles from Zero Charisma but less obnoxious.

Anyway, those guys quit. So the game became me and Virt's ex.

>>48439940
lol. this is not the end? :D

>>48439781
>I'm struggling to understand why you wouldn't just fuck his ex
NOOOOO
At this point if he goes on a shooting spree OP will probably be safe. You tap that well and your going to be his first target

Hey I know that this isnt the greateat place to ask.

But im an ausfag, and its kinda hard to find anyone to play tabletop games with. So I usually just watch someones or read about other peoples.

Are there any yt channels / old playlists that are people running through a campaign? Besides tabletop time. Cause ive seen theirs.

Also love the virt stories

>>48436465
>He also searches his username on 4plebs quite often, so he found the stories I told about him

Virtualoptim, you are a tragic human being.

>>48439940

During this time Virt and ex started hooking up again. I kinda joshed Virt about it when we went out to dinner at a restaurant down the street from his apartment, being like "yeah bro you're finally getting some" but he didn't really seem that enthused about it. I really don't know what the fuck is up between that guy and his girl. I only found out because I heard them when I showed up an hour early to game night.

I also spotted him at college more than once, working on drawings on lined paper (why do people draw on notebook paper). Most of them involved his drawings of elf slaughter, which I've learned to get used to, but I noticed more and more that the murderers of the elves were less clad in armor and looked more like Virt actually did, and the elves themselves looked taller and thinner.

I still don't know what to make of all that.

But anyway, we went back to playing. Virt's ex acquired lots of bottles of wine for molotovs and we headed back to the dungeon, luring out the zombies and burning them. I killed loads with burning hands. I think Virt nerfed them a bit hit-point-wise because they definitely did not have 22 hp anymore.

Eventually, though, our lack of numbers caught up to us. We were cornered in a back room, about to be clawed apart when the zombies broke through the door.

>>48437816
Nice Demonet is a namefag who used to post with images of females with a trend toward a 40k theme. He was often accused of shitposting.
I don't know anything about Virt or that guy beginning with C that AoS is so worked up about (borrowing your question to educate myself).

>>48440122


At this point Virt's ex (or GF now I guess) were kinda gaming buddies. Like that ally-in-gaming acquaintance kinda thing. It's hard to explain, but if you've ever played in Adventurer's League like I did for a bit while I was desperate for gaming after Virt kicked me out, it's like, I wouldn't hang out with these people outside the game but I'll help em out when we're playing, and you guys can trade bantz and all. Kinda that attitude in online co-op vidya. Idk, my point is I wasn't friends with her, but we kinda understood this was the end. So I offered to shoot her in the head with my crossbow so she didn't have to suffer, then try to reload a bolt for myself before the zombies broke in.

Well for some reason Virt didn't like this because suddenly the zombies gained goddamn ogre strength and burst in, ripping me to shreds first. Then virt's ex died next.

Then something weird happened, virt started getting pissed at ME. I think maybe because he thought me and his gf were sharing some weird romantic moment in killing each other?? I don't know. To this day I am mystified. But virt's ex got mad at him, saying "this is your problem, Craig. You get sensitive over the smallest things." and virt just looks at her with a straight face and says "I decided the zombies needed a d6 rounds to break in. I rolled a 1"

His ex just rolled her eyes and stormed off to their bedroom. Virt looked at me, shrugged, and said, "Good campaign, eh?"

I just kinda stared. We shot the shit for five or ten minutes, then I packed up and left.

>>48440108

Yeah I'm getting to that part. And the tragedy is just starting.

>>48440151

Yeah I dunno who Carnik is either or what he does. But then I don't do have much to do with Age of Sigmar or Warhammer in general.

>>48437378
cool story brah.
I can see the reasoning behind it, though:
> Be edgy as fuck
> Careful with those edges
> Now THAT'S what I call edgy!
> murderhobo top kek xD

In the mind of a retard, it could easily make sense.
I can also relate to this guy, I also have a subpar IQ and crippling self-esteem issues :^)

>>48439176
>well, in Horasia there is a torque-string version of "flintlockpistols" :) There is also a popular hack called "peng instead of plong," which will re-skin some of these weapons and some of the crossbows to instead be firepowder-weapons ( but with the same statline ) :)
Anon, I know you're German and thus lack appreciation for board-culture outside Krautchan but stop using emoticons oder ich müss dir schwul rufen

>>48440151
NiceDaemonet: Namefag that derailed any and every thread with a flood of smut. Did not believe that other boards on 4chan existed or that there were entire websites dedicated to collecting and distributing r34 shitsribbles. Fapping before browsing /tg/ only strengthened it.

>Virt: Tripfag. That's about it; his opinions, attitude, and actions weren't much shittier than the other garden-variety autists that congregate here, but he decided he *had* to have his name attached to his posts. More specifically, he was known for his seething hatred of D&D 5e/Next and Dungeon World, elf genocide porn, and getting banned from reddit. So, like I said, not that different from many /tg/ users, he just had a consistent identity, giving him an individual reputation for asshatery.

>>48439988
>>48439582

Nah he's not really that type. He actually talked about it to me once. He made some edgy joke about the Pulse Nightclub shooting and started talking about mass shootings. I was giving like 1 word responses trying to steer us to another topic but he kept going on. He told me that if he was that fucked up inside, he'd just take himself out instead of taking it out on other people. He said this like he was some kind of hero for making that decision. He also said his Mav88 only holds like 5 rounds so he wouldn't get very far. Then he chuckled and changed the subject.

>>48440175

Anyway....so that campaign was over.

And with that, virt's failing gaming group was dead. Most of the core players, he'd scared off over time. The best players had graduated and moved on. I myself was already looking at another group, but I liked virt's GMing style. The other group I played with had too much of a rollplay attitude to things. Virt was dramatic. Like I said he was like a less faggy John Wick, there were shocking NPC deaths that stung, there were tiwsts and turns, I was ALWAYS looking forward to the next session in his campaigns. I know in retrospect I should have left much sooner and learned how to git gud at GMing myself. But I couldn't.

The morning after that 5e campaign concluded, I found virt on the college campus. He was definitely a bit drunk but he was in the corner of a lounge half-asleep so thankfully no one noticed. He's way overage but they'd still kick him off for being drunk. Some "dry campus" rule. He had the 5e book with him. I woke him up a bit, he said he was going to donate it to the library at the school.

"It's a shitty system anyway. I think that short campaign proved it."

I got another healthy dose of the same circlejerking about why 5e sucks. I kind of nodded along. I partly agreed, partly not, but sometimes with him it's safer to just nod along, you know?

>>48440376
>house-rules 5e into a shitty mess
>no one likes it
>"See I told you it was shitty!"

That sounds like the virt we all know and love.

So I ended up talking him into selling me the 5e book for 30 bucks. So probably about what it's worth on Amazon now, but whatever.

We exchanged the book and cash and Virt gave me this disapproving look, like a father might give a kid buying cocaine from a dealer or something. I don't know how to describe it besides that lame-ass analogy. I felt like he was shaking his head at me without moving a muscle.

I asked him why we was partly-wasted and he chuckled and said "yeah my head's killing me."

I pressed some more and learned his ex had left for a hotel after they had a huge argument. We went to his place and several things were broken. I noticed Virt had a bruise on his shoulder when he changed his shirt in front of me. I asked him if he was okay and he said he slipped in the shower.

So we sat at his table and started talking about what was next for our gaming group.

"Nothing. Group is dead. I'm gonna have to make another one."

He offered me a beer. I refused. He shrugged, opened one for himself, and finished it within 10 minutes.

We played some Magic the Gathering. Virt ripped one of his Tormented Souls in half in anger when he lost the tiebreaker game. I kinda stared at him and he said "don't worry they're like 25 cents."

So after that I went home. Then a couple days later I got a call from Virt's ex

>>48440290
>So, like I said, not that different from many /tg/ users

Oh there are many like him, but they're still the scum of /tg/. Virt doesn't get off the hook just by virtue of not being unique - he's a giant septic moose anus no matter how you look at it it.

>>48440506
Whats with your insults?

Theyre not even insults, like damn.

>>48439534
>he used to be an Adventurer's League GM

No wonder he hates 5e. I still haven't played since I stopped doing AL games.

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>>48440501
>Then a couple days later I got a call from Virt's ex
Oh this will end well.

>>48440506
Of course. I'm not defending him, just saying his bullshit was not unique. /tg/ would be a much better place if all the virts too smart to have an easily-filterable name/trip fucked right off.

>>48439534
>and that "Kike" Mearls isn't even a real game dev. I kinda cringe at this cause I'm part Jewish
I was finding the entire story at least believable. You went too hard, anon.

>>48440550

Remember to read this again in the 4plebs archive, brah. :))))

The gift that keeps on giving.

>>48440573

Yeah it did not end well.

Basically she was calling to invite me out to dinner. She said I seemed pretty sane and she didn't know anyone else in town and wanted to hang out. Being an oblivious retard I agreed. I don't have a girlfriend myself.

So we went out to this nice dinner and split the bill and she invited me to see her new apartment. At this point I started getting really weirded out and agreed, we watched part of a movie, then I left and went home. She was a nice person, she was from back east where virt is from (not the same state just the same general part of the US) and we talked about that for a bit since I've only been out there once.

I left fully realizing I was walking away from sex but the entire thing felt sick and wrong and I got that feeling like something or someone was after me.

I went home, woke up, and felt like an idiot. I went to Friday Night Magic at the other FLGS in town. This is the one where Virt freaked out after losing to someone's Jace in a tournament. A couple weeks after that they switched from constructed to draft for FNM. They claimed it was to help their revenue and help new players get into the game. I feel like it was insurance against other virt spergout, even though he was barred from coming to the store.

Well he showed up anyways.

>>48440698

He's the kind of guy who uses racist language to seem edgy even though he isn't actually racist. I've driven with him a few times and one time he slammed on the brakes when someone cut him off and shouted "you fuckin nigger!" at the guy, even though he was white and I'm honestly not sure Virt has even talked to a black person in his entire life.

I mean it doesn't really offend me but I don't invite him to family gatherings like I have with other friends because I know something will slip out.

But yeah he actually calls the guy "Kike Mearls" in real life. He laughs at it too sometimes like he thinks it's clever. Again, I know I should've called him out on his bullshit but I was scared of pissing him off and maybe getting kicked from his group. He's the only really good GM I know and once you play with him long enough, other DMs just don't seem good anymore.

>>48440768
Anon, that doesn't mean he's great, that's just Stockholm Syndrome

>>48440768
You're an alright writer, anon. Don't get me wrong; the story was entertaining. Just a little too pat, if ya catch my drift.

Work on that, next time you tell the story.

>>48436900
cant read
>whyisitnotgreen

>>48440802
I'm getting tired, I read that at Anon, that doesn't mean he's great, that's just Sherlock Homes.

>>48440501
>So I ended up talking him into selling me the 5e book for 30 bucks. So probably about what it's worth on Amazon now, but whatever.
That's how much it was worth on Amazon to begin with, WotC charged $20 less there so it would drive up the ranking.

>>48440726
this is it? its over now?
no fucking? where's the finale? Where's the fallout? Do you really require 20 fucking minutes to type out a couple of sentences?

Anyway, I guess the FLGS employee that night didn't know who virt was because he didn't get kicked out.

He did alright in the draft, and it actually finished early, around 11. The store stays open til 1 am on Fridays and the weekends cause the owner has no life and thinks his employees are same. So there were some D&D games being played in the back. Virt and I watched while virt leafed through some old rifts books.

I'd been getting texts from virt's ex during this time. She was asking me to come over again, hang out, etc. and being flirty. I was trying to dissuade her but it wasn't working. I've never really attracted a woman like that before so I didn't know how to react, honestly.

So at one point I go to take a piss and when I come back Virt is looking at my phone. I grab it up and he says "It was buzzing, I was just curious."

So we decide to head to this place across the street to eat even though it's late. Virt leads me out the back door into the parking lot.

>>48440838

I kinda do? Have you never encountered racists in real life?

I wish I could prove to you guys that this is real but I don't know what I could post that would satisfy you, without leading some kind of doxxing squad to me.

>>48434419
We once had this player that always tried to sneak his way out of situations and "talk things out".

It was fun once or twice but after awhile it got boring. He also started doing shit like this >>48435795 and I distinctily remember quite a few times the GM asking for his HP and him just never giving an answer.

Oh christ and then one time we time skipped into the future and our gold coins were worth about 5,000 of the modern currency and after we got our money exchanged we were so ridiculously wealthy and that same player tried to make himself the "main character" again.

Constantly he brought us into high intrigue RPG and we went 2 sessions without a single round of combat. Eventually we talked to him but holy shit were those boring games. Stressed the GM out as well because he'd write up all this material and we'd never actually do any of it.

>>48440944

> no fucking?

No. We never ended up having sex. It'd have been nice to have notch #2 on my bedpost but (1) I felt like she was emotionally vulnerable because of what happened and it felt wrong to make a move, and (2) I cannot stress this enough, I was a huge pussy.

> Where's the fallout?

It's coming.

> Do you really require 20 fucking minutes to type out a couple of sentences?

Yeah I'm looking at D&D miniatures online in between typing, sorry. I didn't know people were still lurking.

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>>48440944
I don't see you fucking typing something, punkass!

you're a good storyteller, storyteller anon

>>48440963
Don't worry about people not believing you, you know the truth.

Remember: truth is beauty, and beauty, truth. Therefore the most aesthetically pleasing possibility is the most true.
Now I don't know about you anons, but this is a fairly entertaining Virt story, so I choose to believe it.
I mean, it's anonymous strangers on another continent, what do I have to lose?

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>>48440963
>without leading some kind of doxxing squad to me

Right, virt's huge band of loyal fans on /tg/ would totes be after your blood for talking smack about our boy.

So we went out behind the store, it's in a stripmall and the back basically leads to this little garden with a couple palm trees and then crosses a main road to a take-out kind of place.

So we're walking and suddenly Virt wheels around fucking punches me straight in the chest. I shout "FUCK" in surprise and fall down instantly like a retard.

"What the fuck dude?"

"I saw you texting Emma [not her real name but same starting letter]. If that's what you want, fine. I don't fucking care, but you are not welcome in my apartment ever again, and if you come in I will treat like you I would any intruder, understood?"

Like a dumbass I nodded.

"Good. Stay the fuck away from me. You're the reason our gaming group went to shit."

I open my mouth to argue but honestly I am too stunned. I get up again, and look around. Cars driving by. No one outside. No security cameras either, for some reason.

Virt walks off, back around the front of the building, and I see him speeding off, probably breaking like fifty miles an hour before he screeches to a half at the edge of the parking lot. Then he makes a left and guns it off in the opposite direction, at least sixty miles an hour which is like fifteen over the speed limit on that road.

>>48441175
Did he have a good hook though?

>>48440104
Try the Saving Throw YouTube channel

>>48441126
>It's all anonymous
Hello new friend, actually if you get it wrong 3 times in a row we send the Navy Seals round to laugh at you.

>>48441217
Will do, looks neat thanks for that

>>48441163

No, I'm more worried about him finding out I did it and coming after me and killing me after /tg/ spams his Facebook account or something.

>>48441208

Decent, for such a skinny guy. He just kinda whirled around while walking in front of me and slammed it right into me. It didn't knock me over, I just dropped to the ground as a dumbass reaction to getting hit. He also had his flip-open knife with that tab on the back so I was worried he was going to try to stab me for a second. I've never seen anyone so angry in my life. His eyes were bulging like my dad's used to when he was really pissed, like when I accidentally scratched his car.

>>48441175


I didn't get any texts from his ex after that. I've spotted him a couple times at college but he doesn't look at me and I didn't approach him. I thought about going to his apartment but I really don't want to get shot. He's a huge SYG fanatic.

I actually went to his FLGS and ended up chatting with one of the employees about MTG cause he spotted me thinking of buying one of the Newlamogs there but got dissuaded when I said I only really play MTG casually. So I chatted him up a bit to make him feel better, cause I'm a beta bitch. Turns out Virt was canned because he had saved "random fucked up gore pictures" on the computer. I almost asked if I could have them but caught myself and laughed it off.

I played Adventurer's League for a few weeks, met a group through that. I play 5e with them now, and might try Dark Heresy soon even though I have no idea what that is besides it being related to 40k.

So that's where I am now. I kinda feel bad for my old buddy Craig. His girlfriend is gone again, his gaming group is fallen apart, and his job at the FLGS is gone as well. he works at the subway down the street from the other FLGS so I have to avoid it completely. He took me there once after his Jace spergout.

He blocked me on Facebook and Gchat and Steam. So I don't really have much contact with him anymore, and I lost touch with our mutual friends. I sent his ex a text message asking what was up and invited her to our 5e group but she never replied.

But yeah, I guess that's kinda it. I doubt I'll have any more stories for you guys after this, but I figured I would give you the B side of them just for completeness. I can tell they're not as good as the first time but I guess that's just how things went.

I'll have to abandon thread cause I need to meet friends for dinner at 7 but I'll be back later to read more of other peoples' stories. Cheers to you guys.

>>48441305
Fucking aye, is there more or am I just wasting your time for the 'big finale'

also someone should post the stories from the old thread. I didnt get to see any of them

>>48441175
>[not her real name but same starting letter]
Emily it is.

>>48440768
>He's the kind of guy who uses racist language to seem edgy even though he isn't actually racist
-__- i do this too sometimes

>>48441341
Ebony

>>48439940
>except their claws and bite were fatal, no save
I thought you said he was a good DM

>>48441242
Np M8

>>48441324
>Got ditched by Virt because he thought you were cucking him
>You weren't even cucking him, didn't defend yourself
>And because you took so long to actually make any kind of tangible response, the girl has given up on you

So.
You're the biggest cuck of all?

Good story but god damn son what the fuck are you doing?

>>48441515
>states multiple times he doesn't want the pussy
don't do this man
it's not always about getting laid

>expecting grand finale
>real life

In other story, there are some players in my group that are so attached to their characters that every time they are about to die, they almost start crying in real life

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>>48441515
Virtual sounds like a mental case, but the guy was right to not fuck the virt's ex. No matter how much you dislike someone that's just cruel. The girl's probably a bit nuts for agreeing to move in with an ex, and she was also nuts enough to go out with virt, so a bullet was probably dodged. Bros before hoes and also don't stick your dick in crazy.

But yeah it was pretty dumb of him to not tell virt he wasn't interested in his ex. Might have been able to remain friends there. In any case I imagine he'd have struggled to believe you, and if so he'd struggle to see why she liked the writerguy and not him. Whatever happened I imagine virt will read this version of events and see.you didn't cuck him.

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>playing Shadowrun 5E
>GM sets up a run for us, we have to infiltrate a Horizon subsidiary's underground lab and kill all the scientists there
>GM's claims his style is just to present a situation and then sit back and let the players tackle it their own way (read: lazy GM)
>we have to case the lab ourselves, try to get floorplans ourselves, try to determine security strength ourselves, etc
>all shit the GM could just have had the Johnson give us, but no
>whatevs, I'm a Sammy so I have no role in this part
>run starts, all goes off pretty fine until we've killed the scientists in the lab depths
>suddenly elite guards, about twenty of them
>Me: "wtf? Where did these come from?"
>GM: "They're the HTRT"
>Me: "Echtee Arty? The fuck?"
>GM: (patronizingly slowly) "High... Threat... Response... Team. They're mentioned in the books you know"
>whatever
>GM continues "They were summoned the moment you set off the alarms earlier."
>Me: "Well why didn't you tell us instead of just springing them on us like this? Smells fishy to me"
>GM: "Your decker didn't monitor communication channels in the lab"
>Me: "Uh, hello? That's because he was too busy trying to hack weapons and drones."
>GM: "And this is the result. Rookie mistake."
>I argue a bit more but the DM just says he doesn't want to argue (probably because he knows he'll lose cuz I can argue the hind legs off a donkey)
>Game resumes, I'm rearguard and fighting the elite guards
>guards throw stun grenades, I get hit by three blasts in a row
>KOed, but behind cover so I'm safe, right?
>wrong
>DM, without ANY ROLLING, just says that an elite guard walks up and shoots me in the head with a combat shotgun, killing me
>Me "Aren't you gonna, you know, ROLL for that? Because I've got like Body 6 and a baseball cap."
>DM "Look, you're not surviving a point blank shotgun burst to the head. You're just not."
>Me "So I'm dead then. Just like that."
>DM "Yup."
>and that's basically the last thing he said to me all session.

>>48441686
Everything but your death sounds like a little baby crying to me.

>>48441788
I mean he had a baseball cap on. He cant die.

>>48441678
>The girl's probably a bit nuts for agreeing to move in with an ex, and she was also nuts enough to go out with virt

Honestly, it seems like there's another aspect of fucked up things that happened out of Virt's friend's sight. I got the impression that she's hiding some real deep dark crazies, and dude dodged a bullet.

>>48441686
>Shadowrun

There's your problem

>>48434419
GM? My very first. He was a terrible Monty Hall DM, and never gave us challenging enemies in the first place, and acted like it was a giant accomplishment that we defeated them. Lets call him Angry man. He was afflicted with mood disorders that make him very very angry.

I stuck around because he was a pretty decent player, and I ended up running games for them, but then I burnt out around the time 4e came out, and he wanted a go. We were using the adventure tools, and he forgot the rules of his own game. He insisted the 1d10+5 damage for his own DMPC didnt include his own str bonus. As the arguement escalated, he threatened to kill me (The player.) He did apologize the next day, but I did leave the group

I was back in town one time and offered to run a one shot for them. (remember, Angry man was a bad GM, but a good player, and in spite of what you may think, I had known him for ten years, i was more annoyed than afraid at his threat.)

They had replaced some of their members, including one greasy shit stain named Dom. Dom is close to forty, six foot, one hundred forty pounds, with long matted hair and ugly ass goatee. He wears thick glasses, drives a panel van painted black with house paint, and smells like shit because he never showers. He lives in some guys basement, and Im pretty sure he has lice.

I told them to make 85 pp characters for Mutant and masterminds 2e. Everyone complies, even Angry man. Dom shows up with a seventeen page sheet.

>to be continued

>>48436465
>>48435886
Wow, I love that there's actually names that have rose to infamy in the online RPing circles. Its both funny and sad

>>48441814

I bet you're a fat Forgotten Realms fan.

>>48441815

Dom had learned I was using hero forge to check the math, but I made the other people write their sheets out. I went into his build. He had checked two boxes. "Items as gear." and "Gear for free." His character was a gadgeteer
genius with implanted cyber brain and retractable armor augmentations, so those don't qualify for those. I unchecked the boxes and he had close to 300 pp (which put him over the top of the games level system, for reference). The fucker had cheated to make hiis 8th level character past level 30.

He shows up at the first session with this monstrosity. I told him he couldnt do it, and he looked at me. He cried and said "I guess now she will have to suck."

[SPOILER]HE SHOWED UP THE NEXT SESSION WITH A 12 PAGE SHEET, USING A COMBINATION OF RULES FROM A BOOK I HAVE NEVER READ[/SPOILER]

[SPOILER]AND I GUARANTEE HE HADN'T READ EITHER[/SPOILER]

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Old PF campaign:

>DM wants to run a campaign.
>Handles premade sheets to us.
>I got the monk
>an elf, she comes from a distant forest
>have to go retrieve a relic from a ship
>arrive on ship, whole thing has gone to shit
>DM "It was shit before, but fuck you and your entire race you deserve your plight"
>DM begins telling about how a storm begins to rock the ship.
>Rogue party member fucks up his swim rolls hard, starts to drown
>Jump in and save them
>Players remain silent.
>DM becomes frustrated, telling players to do something.
>After a while, the DM gets bored
>Suddenly demons attack
>Party gets into a primobullshit situation
>demonic, and evil, but have a hard time
>One of the demons goes and uses some fire attack
>10 and 2
>Everything is fire
>and on fire
>One PC gets knocked out
>Everyone else is bleeding
>Fighter is going to die
>party has to hole up and wait for reinforcements
>two dongs on a handle
>The other PC gets the party to use some stuff we have in our packs
>DM rolls his eyes "oh boy here we go"
>don't raise the dead at all
>Wizard fucking starts reciting "I am god"
>Brags about saving us
>wiggling his eyebrows invitingly
>so much mary sue
>This rustles my jimmies, but even I feel a smile creep across my mouth at this warrior’s last act of defiance.
>gloats wheezingly about how he has 3 more and one of them is even real, he thinks, maybe, he can't remember
>DM allows
>Completly stunned, tell him I still have the other wizard if he prefers
>DM still allows
>I pack up my shit and leave immediately after processing what just happened, without a word
>campaign went to shit in game, half the players broke off
>mfw

>>48441911
Not sure I follow this. What's this about wizards?

>>48441987

Not him, but I assumed it was the
>premade sheets

>>48441858
I bet you're a liberal hipster faggot who wanks himself off the thought of bringing down corporations run by rich guys who weren't stupid like you and majored in underwater basket weaving just to end up broke and useless

>>48441686
>GM's claims his style is just to present a situation and then sit back and let the players tackle it their own way (read: lazy GM)

I bet you're the same kind of faggot who whines about being railroaded too. I also bet you've never GMed.

>>48441911
>>two dongs on a handle
>>The other PC gets the party to use some stuff we have in our packs
>>DM rolls his eyes "oh boy here we go"
>>don't raise the dead at all
>>Wizard fucking starts reciting "I am god"
>>Brags about saving us
>>wiggling his eyebrows invitingly
>>so much mary sue
>>This rustles my jimmies, but even I feel a smile creep across my mouth at this warrior’s last act of defiance.
>>gloats wheezingly about how he has 3 more and one of them is even real, he thinks, maybe, he can't remember
>>DM allows
>>Completly stunned, tell him I still have the other wizard if he prefers
>>DM still allows
>>I pack up my shit and leave immediately after processing what just happened, without a word
>>campaign went to shit in game, half the players broke off
>>mfw
I understood none of that. What?!

>>48441219
Actually, my dad works for the navy seals, so I can confirm that they wouldn't do that (-:
What's a New Friend?

>>48442128
I'm so sorry

>>48442061
>being this fat

totally called it :))))))

>>48442169
dont bother
that's most likely cancerstickfag
he's been shitting up the SR general for a few days
I only wish he'd pick up an Trip, or at least a name for easier filtering

>>48441012
>I was a huge pussy
At least you admit it

>>48442211
rightfully so. you guys are the worst kind of RPers. I should actually thank SR for keeping you edgelords in one place

>>48442321
Just a simple question:
What systems do you like, that foster good roleplaying?
Just curious

>>48442381

He doesn't play anything. That's why he's here, baiting emptily, alone and unloved.

>>48442532
I kinda guessed it, but the systems he'd named would have at least gotten some discussion

>>48434419
Last night the autistic chick kept insisting that we should burn down the temple. She kept trying to do it.

We were all still inside.

She plays a chaotic good warg.

Fuck.

>>48442777
chaotic alignments were a mistake
Lawful > Good > Neutral > Evil > Chaotic
is the only system that works.

>>48438969
>they probably just cuddle and kiss and all those sort of things, but the asexual woman doesn't feel any desire for sex so they don't have sex.

so... a friendship but one of them is a special snowflake. got it.

>>48442849
Chaotic alignments are fine, terrible players are not.

>>48439534
>These aren't as good as the ones I posted in the last thread
Can anyone link me tot he archive of it?

>>48442892
chaotic alignments draw the terrible players in

>>48441515
off the record tho, how the fuck did he not defuse this before it got ugly.

simple as letting her know your not intrested, and asking your bro for advice.

op sounds silly.

also table top gamers are nuts. go figure.

>>48442887
anon most people would not expect friends to cuddle or kiss

>years ago
>get into D&D with 3.5
>play a few sessions
>DM decides to scrap everything and start something totally different
>okay everyone, make new characters by these parameters
>do so
>two weeks later
>okay everyone, make new characters by these parameters
>almost get one session, but it's cancelled at the last minute
>the next week
>okay everyone, make new characters by these parameters
>four days later
>okay everyone, make new characters by these parameters
>after a few cycles of that we finally get something started in the Dragonlance setting
>things are going okay
>oh no, some massive unnatural tornado is approaching the city we've been hanging around
>find out there's a big floating stone cube above the center of the tornado
>make it in
>there's a sizeable pulsating orb in the center
>we can interact with it but we can't move it
>there is nothing else in the cube, so no hints
>we mess with it a bit
>no effect on tornado
>nobody has any sort of relevant knowledge check
>we decide to smash it
>the tornado goes berserk and then peters out
>cube falls to the earth
>I forget how we survive but we do somehow
>the city is absolutely destroyed
>DM cancels next session at the last second
>then throws everything out a few days later because he didn't know where to go from there what with the destroyed city
>acts like we were supposed to know what to do
>eventually get back to the cycle of "make characters" "okay, screw that, new idea, make characters"
>I just give up on him, start declining his game invitations

>>48443259
>start declining his game invitations
Sounds like someone was playing on Roll20, in which case your experience is par for the course.

>>48440104
I don't know if you are still here fellow ausfag but finnding a game in aus isn't hard, if you are willing to socialise with people.
Most universities having a gaming club that is happy to accept people of a similar age.
Most gaming stores have DnD (or general rpg) nights where there are lots of groups.
What city are you in, maybe i can point you in the right direction?

>>48443259
I can't remember a specific timeline for all of that, but I started declining a couple months before I started going to college halfway across the state and that was fall '12.
Which brings us to this last semester
>he wants to run a desert themed adventure
>hot dang I am all about that
>I guess I can give him another chance
>gives me the parameters, I get a character whipped up
>later in the semester, he tells me to hold on to that sheet but make another character in the same setting but no magic allowed whatsoever
>something about a prequel setting I think
>get that done too
>semester ends in late May
>hear nothing about it
>finally bring it up after a few weeks
>he scrapped it because he had no idea what he wanted for a primary antagonist
>fast forward to the middle of June
>okay everyone, make new characters by these parameters
>sets a date for the first meeting
>turns out it won't work out for a couple of us
>"Well that's okay, gives me more time to prepare"
>first meeting is scheduled for a week later
>doesn't happen because a couple people don't have characters ready
>despite having an extra week
>reschedule to next week
>we start after the two people who weren't ready last week get help with creating their characters
>pretty fun
>second meeting was supposed to happen two days ago
>cancelled that day because DM didn't have anything prepared
>despite allegedly working on it all day for two days
>next semester starts in three weeks
I just want to play in one setting for more than three nights. Is that so much to ask for?

>>48443342
No, he's a buddy of mine I've known since middle school. I just started finding reasons to not get involved.

>>48441678
>No matter how much you dislike someone that's just cruel.
No it isn't you clingy fruitcase. People can fuck whoever they want. Just because you put your dick in someone doesn't give you some magical claim to them for all time.

>>48441353
I must be the sole person here who isn't ashamed of doing it. I grew up getting called a "little nigger". I call my black friends niggers. I make nigger jokes. People laugh.

You niggers need to lighten the fuck up. Life's too short to take racism seriously.

>>48443457
Stop forcing your magical realm on others. Just because infidelity is your kink doesn't mean it's okay.

>>48441686
>playing Shadowrun
>bitching about legwork
You're the fag here, anon. Not your GM. You.

>>48442966
Get better friends.

>>48442966
Or live together, share a bedroom and bed, do all the other intimate things a couple does besides stimulate each other's sexual organs.

>>48443651
DOES NOT COMPUTE

>>48442909
Chaotic Stupid is just as bad as Lawful Stupid (re: almost every single Paladin player ever)

>>48443457
literal cuckold detected

>>48442892
>>48442909
>>48443677
why do we even need alignments any more?

>>48443868
most modern systems are removing them for disposition systems instead.
As usual, the systems that hold onto alignments are the garbage systems that keep things like THAC0 and skills around.

>>48443868
I don't mind alignments so long as they're as superfluous as 'age' and 'hair color'. Moral anchors and propose what a character should gravitate towards.

>>48443906
>skills
I don't understand
how else would you do it?

>>48442900

Sure man

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43816020/#43823558

>>48443868
They're a good way to describe one's general outlook on the world. I have never once encountered a single problem of the sort that /tg/ whines about, and I've run the gamut from noblebright Paladin to vampire Sorcerer who literally disguised himself as a demon hunter's dead comrade just to see the look on his face when he got his throat bit.

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>>48443651
>mfw my best friend and I had that literal arrangement for 3 years
I'm going to miss her when she interns in the UK.

>>48434419
My current DM (D&D 5e) is good now, but when he started back in April he fucked up a basic home brew horribly. He wanted to make a home brewed grenadier class for his campaign. I volunteer to test out his class, which I was a big mistake

A week before the campaign starts he sends me a word document explaining all of the class features. It had about 30 different types of explosives, all of which where drastically inferior to the basic fragmentation grenade which gave me the ability to do 3d10 damage per attack at level 1 (class also had multi attack). Also instead of having the target make a dex save against the grenade to dodge it or get out of the way, he made it so that each 5'x5' square in game had an AC equal to half the distance from the thrower and you had to roll attack against the squares AC to hit someone in that space. If you missed the AC, it landed a distance away from the target based on how off your attack roll was. Then regardless of the attack roll, even if you wildly missed and threw the thing 40 feet away from them, the target made a dex save to run over and kick the grenade back at you with a DC of 13. AND THEN if they successfully kick it back to you, you repeat the process of making this dex save until one of you fails, turning combat into a series of rolls that all together make a soccer game out of your basic attack.

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>>48434419
I had a "That Guy" a long time ago, he was mostly a player but near the end was a GM, and was fantastically terrible at it.

>Playing Warhammer Fantasy
>That Guy is GMing, and he has spoken about his love for the Skaven (rat people) for weeks on end
>Skaven are slavers, people-eaters, and general nasties that live in huge numbers deep underground.
>GM has us go to a dungeon full of "dark and scary" things in an old dwarven hold
>I can see from a mile away where this is going
>Do my little forensics work to conclude that the kidnappings meant to lure us underground were, in fact, caused by Skaven
>Try to set up traps to capture/interrogate some of them, after spending a few days learning up on them
>That Guy tells me they fail automatically
>Point out how I know the entrance points through which they sneak into town, and that I know how to capture them
>Nope, fails automatically... no rolls required
>Give up and go underground with my two party mates and the uber-OP knight GMPC we're forced to deal with
>GM mentions a thin corridor, with an overpass above us; I know exactly what's about to happen
>Skaven pop out, throwing nets and shooting tranquilizer darts, and they jump down to engage us at close range... apparently a "thin corridor" is fifteen feet wide
>GM tells me not to bother cutting the nets because "they're wire nets"
>Eventually get the nets off, and make good in avoiding getting caught again
>GM, being a lazy reader, asks "do the Skaven have a way to throw more than one net per turn"
>Jokingly say "no, unless they have automatic net guns
>mfw he decides to give them automatic net guns


>eventually the only thing that saves us from being captured is the GMPC being too tough-thickly armored to fall
>We fight our way out
>GM visibly angry about us derailing ourselves
>takes vengeance the next session by turning over all the important NPCs we made allies with to the Skaven next turn
>everyone quit the game

The straw that broke the camel's back.

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>>48444994
He was upset that his uber character prevented the party from being taken prisoner?

>>48444721
>mfw my best friend and I had that literal arrangement for 3 years
>literal arrangement
did you share books together?
There's public libraries for that if she's not around.

>>48445199
Kek and yes.
I don't even really know which books are mine anymore they all just go up on the bookcases.

>>48437535
Fuck it, I'm making this haiku.

Bros put before hos,
an ideal often said;
seldomly attained.

>>48444762
That's fucking hilarious. Grenade tennis. But he should secretly roll 1d6 and after that many hits it goes off.

>>48444994
How does anyone who D/GMs honestly think allowing things like that to happen without rolls is conducive to fun?

>our gaming group is made up mostly of our old group of friends from high school, plus some others we discovered in college
>none of us are perfect players or GMs, myself included, but we're all pretty cool/cooperative for the most part
>except these twins we all know from high school
>both of them are computer science majors and militant athiests
>stuckup braggarts with superiority complexes and the incessant need to be right and demean others who disagree with them
>love spouting far-left political shit on social media and during meets
>To put this into context, most of our group is left of center, but everyone universally agrees that they're self-righteous cunts
>one of my friends in the group told me they were permabanned from the LARP group in our town because they called their own shots and wouldn't stop bitching about losing
>huge boners for elves
>play nothing but elves, love to shittalk about humans in any setting
>always play INT-based or analogous classes, huge boners for magic
>last interaction I had with them was when they were part of a Pathfinder game (I know)
>7 players at the table, and these two guys keep stopping the action to argue about negligible rulings, bragging about how well-built their characters are and mouthing off at other players for roleplaying their characters and not playing optimally
>start fishing for conflict with one of the other players about how his character's abilities
>this guy doesn't take shit from anyone and he's basically the team rules lawyer
>he dismisses them outright, wanting the action to just move on and stating that he knows the rules for his character
>twin starts getting butthurt, starts flinging passive aggressive insults at the other player
>our GM tries desperately to keep the game going, he's put a shit ton of work into the setting and the encounters
>fight escalates so high that the GM flips out, tells everyone to go home,
>twins still can't admit they were being shitheads
>it's been 2 years

Anyone got any screengrabs of the guy who couldn't fathom the concept of playing in person and got upset when people didn't assume it was an online game? I miss that thread.

>>48444762

>3d10 damage grenade per attack at level 1

Sounds legit

This isn't a really big story, but can we just put a hard ban on people who are genuinely incapable of being even remotely funny or charming from playing the stereotypical bard?

Jesus christ, I mean, I get it. Escapism and playing a character you can't normally be. That isn't an excuse for being 'unfunny loudmouth doing stupid bullshit at the table: the person'

>>48445820
Way to be close-minded. Just because he's not playing a stereotypical bard doesn't mean he's playing bard "wrong".

Take your rigid thinking elsewhere.

>>48445165
Yeah, apparently he wanted us to get captured because he had this big, "you're all slaves now" string of sessions in mind.

When we dropped due to the poison, he laughed heartily and asked "should we just say my character passes out and go on with this?"
We gave him a unanimous "no", and he even went so far as to botch a few of his own rolls behind the GM screen (he told us this later) to ensure his own character's downfall.
But that never happened. And he was pissed.

>>48445520
I have no idea.

>>48445875
You've got it ass-backwards. He IS playing the stereotypical bard. The dancing, singing, woman-seducing, joke-making, wise-cracking bard.

And he cannot dance, since, seduce, joke, or be witty whatsoever, but insists on doing one of the above every five seconds.

>>48443355
Dunno if your here either. Its only 2:50 so why would you be

I live in victoria. Melbourne. Bit im looking for a spot to move actually. So if you know any hood towns just chuck em to me.

I aldo tried to go through some of my old, 'those guys' buds, and they wouldnt tell me where to go cause ' im not that kinda guy', assholes.

>>48445922
and?

>>48445922
Just because he's not playing bard to your standards doesn't mean he's playing bard wrong.

>>48445922
Should the weakling who can't lift an axe be banned from playing a barbarian?
How about an athiest from a cleric/paladin?

>>48446067
This is the oldest argument on /tg/, and it never gets any less retarded.

No, I do not expect a player to break a door in real life if they do it in game.

Yes, I expect a player to at least somewhat articulate what it is they're trying to say to someone when they make a persuasion roll.

No, a weakling playing a barbarian is not disruptive.

Sometimes an athiest playing a cleric or paladin can be disruptive if they're an overly preachy Nietzsche fellator.

Yes, people who do not understand social interaction on any level is absolutely disruptive.

They are not the same thing, and you know it.

>>48434419

I've told this story a couple of times before, but there's this one guy I've played 3 games with, with different GMs and systems, that have convinced me he's a mental case.

His worst story was one where I had to personally bear the brunt of his insane ire.

>Playing some sci-fi system, don't even remember what it was anymore.
>Kind of some sort of cyberpunk Starwarsish thing. We're still on earth, and there's still some one world government, but there's this techno-religion and they're real dicks and they have a lot of power, even more than the government, and we're a different bureau which is trying to fight their influence in a kind of covert war.
>A bit hackneyed, but an interesting premise.
>Join up mid-campaign, one of their regulars left, IIRC, and they needed someone new to keep things balanced.
>I was playing a kind of neo-talibani, a tribal fighter out of Afghanistan who got sucked into this war despite understanding very little about it beyond "They gas bombed our village, kill them and everyone who looks like them!"


1/2

>>48446322

>Enter our nominal party leader and King That Guy.
>His entire raison d'etre seems to be to reduce RPGs into some kind of tactical simulator.
>He's a good optimizer. He's not bad as a battle leader, but oh god is he a liability in any other situation, IC or OOC.
>Anyway, we get this mission to defend an archeological dig, which the baddies want to disrupt for some reason or another.
>We're planning, getting our equipment, arraying ourselves around the mountain, getting ready for action as our GM starts breaking out a LOT of miniatures.
>That Guy needs to go to the bathroom.
>In the meantime, I have a quick chat with one of the supporting NPCs. It wasn't even really about anything, just trying to establish my character a bit, since he was relatively new, I both wanted to break him in and give the others a feel for him.
>That Guy comes back in mid conversation.
>Blows up about how rude it was to continue play while he was out.
>GM tries to calm him down, it was just a little roleplaying.
>Glares around at us, says, and I think I'm remembering this right, though I might get a few words wrong.
>I am so sick of you scene stealing elitists. If you want to have a rambling monologue about how you feel, about how bad this war is and make plans for when it's all over, go to a Shakespeare revival where it's appropriate.

>>48439684
>Usually he is like what I imagine John Wick is like, except less of a faggot, and more of an edgelord.
My mind went to the Keanu Reeves character, and I was well and truly baffled for a bit before I remembered the game designer exists.

>>48446102
That would you and not them.

>>48446196
They are, you are playing a game.
As a DM do YOU have enough charisma to portray that 20+ Char, wis or int? Do you have enough life experience to portray the action and thoughts of immortal beings like dragons, demons and angels? Have you read any religious book so that you can play convincing clerics? do you worship nature, have you ever danced naked in a jungle so you can play a better druid?
You don't , you never. That does not stop you. You special and unique snow flake that thinks himself able to act as things you never had and never will have experienced in life. Because they are fantasy. If it disrupts you. Its on you m8

>>48438684
>The girl stayed in the game while a guy was basically hitting on her and gesturing that he was stroking his cock.

Absolute madwoman. I'd have been gone so fucking quickly.

>>48439123
>That means you do evil stuff to balance out the good stuff!
How the fuck does this guy think CN characters work?
"Well, I saved a town from invading orcs, so that's what, shooting 2 dogs and dealing fantasy crack to 5 orphans?"

>>48443457
This. Jesus christ. You get to assert your exclusiveness when you MARRY someone, not when you sleep with them a couple times, holy christ.

>>48441650
>you don't exist anymore!
Jack Chick is the living definition of a lolcow.

>>48446196

>Atheist cleric

Reminds me of a particularly awful game I played

>3.5 homebrew time travel game so already has marks against it
>playing martial cause dumbass I guess
>one of the players is literally Jesus of Nazareth
>takes saint and a bunch of OP bullshit
>aura of pacifism or some shit that prevents conflict near him
>also a literal fedora tipping atheist (he's a good guy and ok to hang out with but insufferable to play RPGs with based off this one and only experience)
>plays Jesus as a passive aggressive dick who pretends like he's never instigating anything when he constantly is
>doesn't even adhere to the saint role even though the rules are pretty explicit on how saints should act
>dominates every encounter and pulls the "I'm Jesus" card every chance while playing him how you might imagine Seth McFarlane would play him

Pissed me off because he was basically playing plot-armored superhero but also being really disrespectful to Jesus in an annoying edgy way that bothered me even though I was not raised Christian and consider myself an agnostic atheist. Mostly it was him getting away with being a cunt but acting like he was still literally Jesus.

Also there was THAT DM for that game if you couldn't tell from the above greentext

>want to play basically Carmen San Diego thief who just does it for the game and ends up traveling through time to steal artifacts across history with eyes on the 8 wonders
>convinces me to play a monk/rogue prestige hybrid before I learned everyone else is using fucking disturbingly OP templates compared to me
>decide to be skill monkey
>get railroaded at every turn if I try to so much as peak over the rails
>fine just can I get a custom blowgun that doesn't have a range of only 10ft (even though I've used a blowgun IRL accurately up to 30ft, thanks D&D)
>Sure you can add 5ft range
>GEE THANKS
>wizards and Jesus and Thor and BMX Rider: the game

>>48434419
My last GM could not keep the rules straight in his head for the life of him. He would frequently just make up what spells did and how long they lasted *as people decided to cast them* and actively discouraged people from looking up what they actually did in the books to correct him. The fact that people probably wouldn't have choosen those spells if they had known that they would suddenly and arbitrarily get nerfed in new and unexpected ways when they actually needed them was lost on him.

Much the same way he would frequently forget which skills to roll for when trying to do something and would again just make up rolls on the spot for completely different ones. Like 'oh, geeze, silly me for putting my points into what the rule books told me were relevant skills for the character I wanted to make, I obviously should have put them into something more abstract'

Why did I put up with this? He was my roommate and he insisted on running a session every weekend and would unplug everything in the living room when doing so to make room or something. So when I didn't have an excuse to not be there on those days there was little else to do.

Also, I didn't. I moved out as fast as I could.

>>48446338

What a cunt

>>48444994

...Have I heard this before, but with kobolds?

>>48447596
It's possible. I've never dealt with kobolds myself, but I know the gaming community is wide enough to experience some overlap.

>>48443868
Because people are stupid. For every player who realizes alignment is detrimental to the game, there are several more who are taking it completely seriously and will throw a bitchfit if it's removed.

>>48443259
>>48443405
Why the fuck did you put up with this as long as you did? If you were too spineless to say no to this guy, you deserved what you got.

>>48442128
I choose to believe that you are playing dumb, well played good sir.

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>>48437816
The main thing about virt aside from his endless shitposting was how omnipresent he was. You'd see him in almost every thread shitting it up with his usually brand of just calling everything anyone like shit and having all of these really stupid reasons for why

>>48443868
They're simple and give you a vague idea of how your character conducts themselves

>>48434419
My old SR GM was pretty bad. Half of the game was mind control, the other half was making sure I couldn't participate because I was a hacker.

>>48448173
but demeanours work better.

>>48448194
sounds like some magical realm shit. You should have dropped that fast.

>>48448201
Demeanor is not the same thing as alignment

>>48448212
Mary sue snowflake, yes, but not magical realm. I'd seen enough warning flags by the end of the first session to know I should have gotten the fuck out... But I didn't...

>>48448237
As I've seen it, they serve the same purpose, so functionally they're the same.

Which systems are you looking at?

Had a girl who talked in an awful French accent the entire session. She literally wouldn't shut the fuck up with it.

>>48448281
D&D for alignment and just using a general definition of demeanor.

>>48448283
Being fair, a french accent is a pretty fucking funny joke.

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>>48448290
I'm looking at the OW/DH 2e for Demeanours. I don't have either as a PDF, so no screenshots of that more-developed system, but pic related is the system as it was in the earlier Deathwatch book. I'm less a fan of how they do it, but it illustrates the concept.

OW/DH 2e expand the possible demeanours to 50+ and made them less a gameplay mechanic and more just a descriptive trait. Addict, Affable, Backwater, Heroic, Bilious, Boisterous, Braggart, Cocky, Cook, etc.
The system used in Black Crusade is also good, where Demeanours are further affected by Prides, Disgraces, Motivations, etc., this time with skill adjustments. The Vengeance motivation, for example, gives a character +2 Wounds for -5 Perception.

Either way, these systems have generated far less bickering than Alignments do, and help flesh the character out more.

Admittedly, I am a bit wrong on what I said before. Alignments and Demeanours are not quite the same, although they're similar just using the non-modifying Demeanours of OW.
I maintain that it is the superior game mechanic however.

>>48448399
>Either way, these systems have generated far less bickering than Alignments do, and help flesh the character out more.
Well deathwatch is nowhere near as popular as D&D so it's impossible for it to have sparked as much debate. If you like demeanor that's fine but alignment has this strange allure to it

>>48447307
>fine just can I get a custom blowgun that doesn't have a range of only 10ft (even though I've used a blowgun IRL accurately up to 30ft, thanks D&D)

Isn't 10ft the range increment? (Meaning -2 to hit at 20ft, -4 to hit at 30ft, and so on)

>>48437816
>I have been on /tg/ for a while now and it sounds newfag esque but I still have no idea who VirtualOptim and NiceDaemonette are, except for the fact that everybody hates them. Explanation somebody?
Search tg 4plebs for virtualoptim and find his old posts and see for yourself. In a debate stemming from my actually agreeing with him once, I did a review of about two weeks worth of his posts. Literally 93% of his posts were excessively and pointlessly caustic antagonizing and insults. His word choice and opinions betray his deep psychological issues and a disturbed bias that he desperately clings to like a wounded veteran’s love for his nation’s flag.
Virt, if you are reading this, seek professional help. That is not an insult. I honestly think you would benefit from therapy.

As far as NiceDaemonette goes, I heard vague things about how he had ruined various threads and if I’m remembering right he was a dick under another name on SS13.
But the only thing I know for certain was that he personifies how the worst namefags can be faggots.
He would always post with his name on and avatar with images he thought were sexy.
When his presence derailed threads, he refused to post anonymously, he’d rather disrupt whatever thread he was in than drop his name, proving he was an entitled faggot.
However, he seemed quite capable of discussing things civilly, with a modicum of intelligence, and not all of his opinions were pure shit.

>>48445924
Hey Ausbro, in relation to your first post. You might enjoy 'The Provokers' series by AFistFullOfDice on youtube.

17 sessions about 3.5 hours a piece, nice to listen to while doing stuff. Great group of players/role players. Nice story, and a sequel coming up this fall.

>>48446558
He may bot have enough charisma to accuratly RP a 20+ charisma NPC, but he probably has ebough to atleast depict it in a way that it is enjoyable for the players.

>>48446614

He was not invited back for a third session, at least.

>>48448477
Yes. Max range is 5 range increments.

>>48441686
You're a faggot and you probably suck at debating
Your GM probably just killed you unfairly to get you out of his group, justifiably

>>48441882
I had someone do that in a savage world's supers game. Basically the players were hating on some duke because he was probably a vampire (he was totally a vampire).

His character dies, and he comes back with Thor the vampire killer. So apparently the wildcard creator (which he used to make the character) wasn't registering the minimum 1pp rule (no power can have 0 or negative cost).

The end result was a character with literally every power he could "make free" sometimes with multiple variations that only worked in very specific (usually involving vampires) circumstances. Except that since they were free he had taken a ton of them thus negating the extreme limitations.

He didn't seem to understand why I didn't let him win the campaign.

>>48447596
Tuckerbolds perhaps?

>>48445199
He said literal, not literary, you ignoramus

>Playing 5e
>DM states that you can only use races and classes from the Player's Handbook and Sword Coast supplement
>Dude shows up with a Blood Hunter from a random website
>Gets told to turn it into a fighter
>Same guy whips out a 10-foot ladder in a fight and climbs to the top of it so he can use a lance while adjacent to enemies without rolling disadvantage
>8 foot ceiling
>Just climb at an angle
>Come across a locked trapdoor
>Same guy whips out a portable battering ram from the same pack

The guy playing is a really good dude, but holy shit is rules lawyering and special snowflaking the game hard.

Although, I have been told that my character is kind of broken as well. At level 3 I have Great Weapon Fighting and Great Weapon Mastery as a Paladin because the DM allowed humans to get that first level feat.

While everyone else is doing around 8-10 damage a swing I am smashing out about double that. Although I am rolling flat with no bonuses so I have a higher chance of missing. Divine strikes? Looking at close to 40 a swing.

The worst player I've ever played with was a pretty stereotypical fa/tg/uy with the neck beard, the gut, the awful smell, and the terrible people skills. He played the epitome of a LolRandumb player whose actions seemed constantly chosen to cause the most consternation to other players and the gm. I once played with him in a large, multi-group game where groups changed up between sessions and games happened simultaneous. He was responsible for multiple PC deaths throughout the campaign, and he seemed to have a particular dislike for me, since he killed two of my characters. The first one I was annoyed with but got over it pretty quickly, but the second was completely out of fucking nowhere.
>final game of campaign.
>my character is being badass and slaughtering through crowds of enemies, making highly unlikely roll after highly unlikely roll allowing me to stay alive and keep fighting.
>this guy's character literally teleports into our section of the battle from another table and drops a WW2 bomb on my head with the explicit intention of killing my character.
>I demand to know what the fuck he thinks he's doing.
>he literally says, quote, "ha, lol, get over it."
>Gm allows this, and my character, whom I have played for months is now dead, less than 50 metres from confronting the BBEG.
>I wait for session and campaign to wrap up, and then confront Gm over why he allowed this bullshit.
>Gm, who is a fat, 40-ish man who wears shorts and has a ponytail, mumbles and says it's not his responsibility to stop pc's from attacking other pc's.
>I leave the club and never return since it's plagued with sjw's, tumblr-types, NEET's, socially incompetent fucktards, and assholes like these two.

You in PA? Sounds like a DM i know.

>>48435886
>I've played with Virtualoptim.
Thank you for your stories anon.
But I feel I need to inform you that you are terrible at reading people.
Also, your affection for Craig’s games might be a version of that special brand of codependency that comes from a battered woman that leaves the man that beat her every day and stays with her new guy that only beats her when she really deserves it.
You can have good, intelligently run games with people that aren’t social misfits.

Now, onto what you missed:
>>48440175
>I offered to shoot her in the head with my crossbow so she didn't have to suffer, then try to reload a bolt for myself before the zombies broke in.
>Well for some reason Virt didn't like this because suddenly the zombies gained goddamn ogre strength and burst in, ripping me to shreds first. Then virt's ex died next.
>Then something weird happened, virt started getting pissed at ME. I think maybe because he thought me and his gf were sharing some weird romantic moment in killing each other?? I don't know. To this day I am mystified.
You missed this by a mile and it’s pretty frelling obvious.
Guy fantasizes about killing women in general and his (ex)girlfriend specifically.
Guy draws fantasies about killing women in general and his (ex)girlfriend specifically.
Guy downloads gore about killing women and elves.
Guy runs a game designed to end in a tpk that includes his (ex)girlfriend.
It is the last moment before he is about to kill you and his (ex)girlfriend.
And then you offer to kill her first.

He probably couldn’t care less that you were having and intimate moment with the sleeve he currently used for his penis.
You were kill-stealing his murder fantasy.

Of course, she wasn’t any more observant:
>But virt's ex got mad at him, saying "this is your problem, Craig. You get sensitive over the smallest things."

more to come...

>>48449246


As for whether he’s likely to kill someone?
>>48440376
>Nah he's not really that type. He actually talked about it to me once.
>he'd just take himself out instead of taking it out on other people. He said this like he was some kind of hero for making that decision. He also said his Mav88 only holds like 5 rounds so he wouldn't get very far. Then he chuckled
This is not the behavior of someone with zero risk of killing someone. Not saying he’s likely to, but he is a bit south of normal.

Onto the girl:
>>48440726
>So we went out to this nice dinner and split the bill and she invited me to see her new apartment. At this point I started getting really weirded out and agreed, we watched part of a movie, then I left and went home.
>I left fully realizing I was walking away from sex but the entire thing felt sick and wrong and I got that feeling like something or someone was after me.
What you were picking up on here was her trying to sex Craig’s friend as an attempt to get back at Craig.
Not saying she wasn’t also into you, but rebound spite was definitely there.
Good decision all around not to sex her.


One more...

>>48449259


And now the violence:
>>48441175
>So we're walking and suddenly Virt wheels around fucking punches me straight in the chest.
>you are not welcome in my apartment ever again, and if you come in I will treat like you I would any intruder, understood?"
>No one outside. No security cameras either, for some reason.
All of this was possibly planned and intentional.
He likely thinks that by declaring a former friend an intruder, he has some semblance of legal defense.

>I see him speeding off, probably breaking like fifty miles an hour before he screeches to a half at the edge of the parking lot. Then he makes a left and guns it off in the opposite direction, at least sixty miles an hour which is like fifteen over the speed limit on that road.
>>48441305
>I've never seen anyone so angry in my life. His eyes were bulging
>>48441324
>I didn't get any texts from his ex after that.
>I sent his ex a text message asking what was up and invited her to our 5e group but she never replied.
Dead girls don’t text.
I’m only partially kidding.
It’s also possible he just blocked her number when he looked at your phone.

>>48441266
>No, I'm more worried about him finding out I did it and coming after me and killing me after /tg/ spams his Facebook account or something.
This might be more likely than you realize.
Then again, he’s almost certainly a gutless punk nearly all the time. Nearly.

>>48448673
Oh cool. Thanks for that man, I usually put them on while doing stuff anyways, so these seem perfect. Thanks.

>>48446067
It's not about fairness, fairness is stupid and has no place in hobbies, because hobbies have one goal: create fun for its participants

Your fun is not more important than my fun. If your fun directly removes mine, I will work to remove this problem.

A weakling playing a barbarian will be much less detrimental to my immersion and the verisimilitude of the setting than something far more present and egregious as a retarded autist playing a Face
It's not fair. Not even a little.

I don't care.
Fuck your fairness, I just want to have fun.

>>48449455
So does he?

Why is your fun overriding his?

>>48449464
It isn't, necessarily, but I'll work my damned hardest to make sure my fun is preserved. I have no reason to prioritize yours over mine.

Whether or not that works is a different argument entirely, but it's asinine to assert that I'm not allowed to try and make my fun the fun that prevails.

He's free to do the same, of course. He's just likely to fail because no one actually likes an uncharismatic loser.

Might may not make right but I don't care about being just in this situation. I'm enough of a moralfag in everything else, I refuse to be one in my time of leisure just to help someone who's disrespectful enough of others' fun to start the process of removing others' fun to make his own come into play.

>>48449092
>>Same guy whips out a 10-foot ladder in a fight and climbs to the top of it so he can use a lance while adjacent to enemies without rolling disadvantage

holy shit, that's wonderful.

>>48446558
Are you retarded or do you not understand there is more than black-and-white "perfect or bust" roleplaying?
It's about how OTHERS perceive your role. It doesn't matter if your roleplaying is perfect, just that it's good enough to not disturb others' immersion.

In a group full of theologicians I will not play a cleric. In a group full of engineers I will not play the ship mechanic. They will see through my ruses and they will be annoyed because they know that's not how they work, so their immersion gets broken.
It would be immensely rude to ruin others' game just for my own sense of satisfaction that could EASILY be replaced with some other role. I am not that much of an asshole.

You however, are a giant cockmunch for not caring that others have fun. Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on.

>>48449259
Yeah someone who makes assurances that he'd kill himself first, is dangerously at risk for mass murder.
It's not true. He's handwaving it. His "opinion" can change in a hearbeat and he goes from walking the line into diving off the edge head-first.
Trust me on this one. No one follows their fetters.

>playing with that guy for over 2 years now
>always asks when the next session is
>never pays attention unless he's directly given something to do
>we're about to have a TPK and he asks what's happening in the fight
>yell at him to pay attention
>our monk asks if he's been reducing the damage he takes on each hit
>"why would i do that"
>he's playing a barbarian
>he's played this system for 2 years and doesnt know barbarians take half damage from physical attacks while raging
>stop combat for a second, explain every class feature he should have
>he then proceeds to look up how his class features work even though we just told him
>tell him to pay attention
>"but i'm reading how rage works"

>>48440104
>>48443355
I know your feel, I live an hour away from adelaide so finding a group is difficult. Adelaide university only runs board games and MTG, no pnp.

UniSa has a stillborn club, the players and GM's are kind of elitist and wont accept new players unless you GM for all of them

the last place is flinders, but thats 2 hours away.

I resort to playing games online through roll20

>>48449092
He sounds like a charming fellow honestly, I'd love to have him in my non-serious games.

>>48445924
I live in Canberra unfortunatly. The gaming store here are decent. One of them has its own licenced pub, which is kind of cool. The two gaming stores in the city both have regular players nights, with grouos from different age groups playing a variety of things.
For wargames, its okay. Alot of the smaller stuff gets missed, but a strong xwing and wh40k group. Also historicals and Flames are popular due to all the crusty milbros and the not as crusty milbros like my self. Its fun beating a general at Flames of War when you are only a Corporal.
If you are staying in melbourne, i'd check the uni guilds. Just avoid the inevitable hipsters.

>>48449487
This. He's playing the game as written and highlighting how retarded 5e is in a fairly charming fashion.

>>48449568
Is roll20 bad?

Im the guy you quoted, ive only. been here for a few months. But I havnt read much about it.

>>48449622
Ill try to avoid the hipsters, but im moving outta Melbourne ( or at least im bloody hoping too.)

Thanks for letting me know, ill check em out when im free

>>48449731
Not really?

At least I don't remember there being anything said about having a hammerspace backpack or ladders offsetting the drawbacks of a lance.

>>48449768
Encumbrance is weight-based after they dropped slots and volume, so everyone has a hammerspace backpack.
Reach weapons threaten one square away, therefore climbing 10ft away from the target negates disadvantage.

>>48449480
>I refuse to be one in my time of leisure just to help someone who's disrespectful enough of others' fun to start the process of removing others' fun to make his ow
So you refuse to help yourself? Because you sound like a total That Guy.

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Bit of an old story that I've told before, but I'll tell it again because why not

>Using a handful of LFG sites to find a game online because all my local game stores are full of the neckbeardiest of neckbeards (I once got sneered at and called "Outsider" as I took a quick glance at some sort of RPG being played, weirdest day of my life)
>End up being invited to a Dark Heresy game on Roll20
>GM doesn't know the rules, but dammit he's gonna learn them just for our group.
>Everyone admires his dedication and goes along with it anyways.
>Day of the first session
>GM hasn't actually done any reading of the rules.
>The one player with moderate experience with the system walks everyone through making a character
>GM spends the entire time reading the rules (allegedly)
>After a few hours, characters are made and we get down to brass tacks
>GM decides to do a bit of freeform roleplaying
>We're a small contingent of Imperial Guard sent to clear out a fairly small transport ship that happened to hold a genestealer cult, so far so good.
>Things are going okay between players, one of them has the most amazing techpriest voice
>Plot begins
>GM has everyone hop into a fucking Devilfish
>We're pure Imperium here, no Xenos allowed
>Experienced player pipes up politely and says "Um, those aren't Imperial"
>Laughs it off and says "Whoops, my bad guys" and sticks us in a Rhino
>Let this pass even though we really shouldn't be using vehicles on such a small ship but whatever.
>Combat happens, mostly genestealers and the like
>We clean house with minimal description from the GM of what's going on
>Dude sounds bored
>Then, out of nowhere A MOTHERFUCKING CARNIFEX AND HIVE TYRANT SHOW UP OUT OF NOWHERE AND BEGIN TAG TEAMING US
>GM shoves us on the railroad tracks and has us scurry off just in time for an IMPERIAL GUARD DREADNOUGHT to appear out of thin air and save our bacon
>MFW
>Cont.

>>48449744
Depends, there is always the inherent risk of playing with randoms online, I found one group that has been fantastic

But I have also played with a high number of shitters that ruin games through being that guys or just wanting to erp.

Sometimes you just want to play with an irl group but in SA at least its kinda difficult, even the 'local' game stores just play like 40k tabletop and mtg.

>>48449809
Fair enough, ill give it a look then.

I think id like an irl group more though, ill ask around a bit more with some of my old mates and see what comes up.

>>48449826
It will really depend on what you are like and shit, like the group at my uni was mostly neckbeards that were 40+ so I didn't really mesh well with them.

You may have more luck in Melbourne as its a bigger city.

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>>48449790
>Cont.
>I speak up and say "Erm, the IG doesn't really do Dreadnoughts, those are Space Marine only"
>GM handwaves it out of existence and simply has us retreat to some nearby fortifications where our squad begins looking for someone in command
>A player asks "Are there any Commissars around?"
>GM: "What's a Commissar?"
>This guy was the one who chose to put the focus on the Imperial Guard
>And he keeps fucking up pretty basic details about the Imperial Guard
>Myself and a few other players bow out of the session, presumably for the same reasons
>Later learn that the GM didn't actually know anything about the 40k universe, his only knowledge of the setting coming from playing 30 minutes of Space Marine
>Game fell apart immediately after

And I still haven't managed to play an actual session of any of the FFG 40k RPGs

>>48449480
It'd be great to be in the room when you get kicked out of your gaming group for being an irritating sperglord. Watching your head spin would be hilarious.

>>48449092
>Same guy whips out a 10-foot ladder in a fight and climbs to the top of it so he can use a lance while adjacent to enemies without rolling disadvantage
I want to be friends with this man.

>>48446067
Now see the problem here (and I am totally fine with players and characters being radically different) is when someone who is really not social trying to be.

I've been in the situation where our face was also our least social player and it was awful. The gm had to basically pick up the character shake him about a bit and scream "NOW TIME TO BE SOCIAL DO SOCIAL NOW" to get the guy to talk. Despite the character being built...to talk. And when he did, he was awful at leading discussions and asking the right questions or really questions in general. Every conversation he was in basically had to be bent by the gm to force his socialite to socialize in any helpful way.

He's not a bad player, just shy and fairly passive. And you know who shouldn't be leading a party's social interactions? The guy who is just along for the ride. Because social encounters just stalled out and went nowhere.

Him playing someone who could shoot really awesomely didn't detriment the game because he wasn't an elite marksman. It's easy to state your intent as a marksman. Him playing someone who had to socialize when being social and adequately articulating his intentions was a personal challenge did. "I persuade the guard" is a lot less useful. How are you persuading the guard? What are you persuading the guard to do? Are you dropping the guard captain's name? Your employer's? Greasing palms? Gaining their trust and friendship over time so they might be willing to bend the rules for you? You have to think about those sort of things, preferably relatively swiftly, and there's nothing on your sheet or in the rules necessarily to lead you to any option.

The real problem is that social rules tend to have a lot of wiggle room in them, and are a lot looser with target numbers and modifiers. So you have to have a much better idea of what you're trying to do.

>>48449780
>Encumbrance is weight-based after they dropped slots and volume, so everyone has a hammerspace backpack.

This doesn't mean you can just carry a ladder into places where it'd be basically impossible to do so, because you couldn't even turn corners with it.

It's merely an oversight from the DM to not check the equip list, not an issue with the game (although you could make the argument that big items should have a "cumbersome" tag, making them harder to sneak/move with).

>Reach weapons threaten one square away, therefore climbing 10ft away from the target negates disadvantage.

You'd instead get disadvantage for fighting while balancing on top of a freaking ladder, while squeezing yourself into a 3ft space... actually, wait, if the cave was 8ft tall it doesn't work at all, since he can't climb up to be 10ft away from the other guy; he has to stand exactly on the top of the ladder for that to work.

That you probably took a turn to set up.

And provoked an opportunity to climb on.

Just because you are allowed to do dumb shit doesn't mean the system is stupid.

>>48449943
Then help them learn how to do it, dum-dum.

Everyone has to start from somewhere.

>>48445924
There's some stuff that's run in the city center in places like Good Games. Aside from that I only know my local area, some people play at Next Level Games around Moonee Ponds/Essendon. Even if you can't get into a proper campaign attending stuff like adventurers league is great to get connection, especially if you are consistent and keen.

>>48449947
>>48449780
>>48449768
>>48449731
>>48449487
>>48449092
And no enemy ever considers kicking down the ladder, right.

>>48449487
>>48449580
>>48449892

Oh, it gets better with this guy.

Some past exploits of him include.

>Playing a druid
>Make long ass stilts
>Walks around battlefields throwing giant centipedes and spiders around to cause bludgeoning damage from the fall
>All while dressed as a clown

>Tries to hollow out a beholder and get a tinker gnome to turn it into a tank with a wand shoved into each eye-stalk for spell use

>Still playing a druid and can fly around as a hawk
>Makes a hang glider from the corpse of a white dragon so he can drop bombs of alchemical fire on enemies

The only other guy playing that does stupid shit, but I can respect is that we have a dude playing a pacifist. He has all kinds of magic to make him blend into shit and turn invisible. Fight starts? He ghosts and takes no actions the entire time.

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>>48438887
Jesus I can't stop laughing now.

>>48449965
We do, it's why the gm was spoon feeding him conversations. And Of course we'd suggest things, hey why don't you talk about X, or Y. You should totally bring this or that up, etc.

The problem is he wasn't really playing his own character. Everyone else was. That game's long and done by now though. When I gm I still try to nudge him a bit, throw some choices his way, or have npcs directly address him. He's just not that social or proactive of a person.

Really i think the passive/proactive thing is a lot more important than someone's personal ability to socialize when playing a social character. It's really difficult to passively play a socialite and end up doing things. Which is generally a problem. Because the face generally should be doing things.

>>48450013

>No enemy considers kicking down the ladder

Oh no, that happens. And he takes falling damage and lands on top of other players causing damage to them in the process as well knocking everyone prone.

Crit fail around the ladder? You just knocked it over. It takes and action to set it up too.

Really, it has never been beneficial to use it, but he still keeps on trying.

>>48450033
>We did try to help him! We spoon fed him answers!

Get better at teaching.

>>48449744
>Is roll20 bad?
It's like digging for gold in a river of mud with occasional rancid shit.
If you hit the score, you've got a great game.
Most of the time, it's quickly dying and flaking games or just mediocrity.
Occasionally, you hit the group that goes full spergrage or magical realm.

Worst gaming group I got was for ny first try at Shadowrun.

Part 1/

This wasnt my usual group, I had met the DM in one of my classes at the uni, he seemed weird but ok.

So, first, the players.
>Edgy Rapey
Tall, slender, tainted glasses. Studies Japanese, 100% weeb. Some of my friends were in his class last year, and it seems he was half raping an exchange student. Pleased to meet him in person.

>Magical Trap
WoMan. Doesn't speak, forced giggles every 10sec, same studies as me, but not the same year. Actually a decent person.

>Darkgirl Marydark
Doesn't speak. Doesn't speak. Doesn't speak.

>Science McExact
Engineer in informatics. Loves himself quite much, has a neckbeard. Will explain how life works to you if you ask him for a teaspoon.

>ThatGM
First time GM, originally wanted us to play his "really original homebrew inspired from catholic mythology and real heroic fantasy like Eragon". Need I say more ?

I still don't know why I came into that group.

>>48450015
You know, I'm stealing from an old french subculture in my current world building efforts. They were shepherds that lived in marshy terrain and used stilts to move about. A queen even had a few guard her in a parade as they kept pace with her carriage.

Mind you yes, you'd need a reach weapon to hit the stilt walker. But I mean, you could also just whack a relatively fragile leg out from under them. (they tend to like keeping their distance if forced into combat)

>>48450015
This guy sounds like a really fun dude to play with, but I can see how it'd get to be a bit much at times.

>>48450057
Oh my mistake. I forgot I'm required to be able to teach public speaking in order to have fun with my friends. It's a shame, nobody seemed to get that memo 4 years prior and get the communication's degree.

We wanted to play a game.

>>48450071

Part 2/

So for the characters now.

>Edgy Rapey
Barry Sue street samurai, half mechanic, half elf, half human, tough past but great strength... Classic.

>Magical Trap
Half human, half hydra, half elf mage with a total aversion for technology (GM told us we would have to deal with a lot of tech, so this was expectable). Sibling of Edgy Rapey IG. Dark backstory and stuff

>Darkgirl Marydark
Over experienced ultra stronk really elite s3cret agent. Doesn't speak, strongly dislikes working as a team.

>Science McExact
The hacker. Recognized as one of the best evah, nanana nana nana, really smart nanana nana nana has like 10 PhDs nanana nana nana. You know how this goes.

>Me
Human drone rigger, veteran from (whatevernamecountry GM invented for me). Slight alcohol addiction (doesn't shows up much IG) works for money, period.

>>48450133
>Simple things are difficult for me so I need everyone to behave in a way that I like.

You not having fun is your fault.

>>48450065

I have had good experiences with it and bad.

>Good

Everyone is logged in with their own computer and controlling on their tokens
DM has dynamic lighting, fog of war, and proper visual radiance for each token set-up
Everyone has their character sheet up and running so that a simple click posts the attack value, the damage value, and the spells are all filled out for saves, damage, secondary effects, and what not as well clearly visible
Everyone has a pretty clear understanding of how to use the system to set up AOE measurements and what not as well

Those games? Rare, but they are glorious

>Bad

One computer with multiple people using it
One or two people controlling the minis
No dynamic lighting or fog of war effects
Nobody does the character sheet right at all
Game winds up taking about twice as long it should to move through
People keep talking over each other

All in all, it can be a powerful tool with a dedicated group to run a great game, but it takes a fair amount of work from the DM's standpoint to have everything running right.

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>>48439338
> :)

>>48450144
Taking someone who isn't very social, and revamping their very personality is simple. Hell why is that even a thing we'd want to do? He isn't social. He clearly wasn't making much effort to be more social.

Let him not be social.I'm not going to try and force him if he isn't taking the bait.

>>48450141

Part 3/

The game starts, we're waiting for a mission, in a luxuous bar.
I start RPing a conversation with Science McExact but get bored by him. No one is willing to RP his introduction (most were fairly new) so I decide to ask them all one by one to help them.
MagicalTrap and Darkgirl won't speak to anyone, because they're superior etc. Edgy Rapey is really welcoming and happy. Exactly notlike his character.

This summarizes the whole game pretty well. No interactions between PCs until end of second session where Darkgirl decides to trigger an obvious partywipe.

Sorry for posting my shitty experiences.

>>48450178
>You must BE your character in real life. It's the only way to play.

You can't fake things in RPGs. It's not real then.

>>48450196
BLACKLEAF NO

>>48450212
YOU DON'T EXIST ANYMORE!

>>48450196
It's almost like you've not read a thing I've said because that isn't my argument in the slightest, and I disagree in the first line of my first post.

>Friend isn't social and isn't proactive
>Friend play social character
>Friend is bad at it because he isn't social and doesn't know how to fake it
>We suggest things and the gm bends things in his favor
>He still isn't social and is still passive
>The game didn't deserve to move freely because nobody in the group is capable is a speaking coach.
>It's our fault for trying to steer his character into doing things because he never took the wheel
>Watching him struggle to play his character shouldn't have lessened the experience for anyone involved, especially not him. We just don't understand fun.