>>56231624
>an "investors " gets btfo
Good. That fucker can eat shit and die in a ditch.

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>scumsucking bottom feeders getting buttflustered by real world

Investors and speculators are the reason why card prices far exceed what demand would have them at.
Carnage Tyrant is a good example from the latest set - it's a sideboard card at best in decks and yet the price was set hilariously high and is still taking a long time to drop despite not seeing any real play. That's purely from shithead investors and speculators.

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>>56231624

>Make an investment
>It's a bad one
>Lose money

Sounds like economics 101. Welcome to Capitalism, bitches.

>>56231624
The phrase "let the buyer beware" has never gone away. That people continually ignore it is not the fault of companies or consumers. People need to exercise some restraint and take their loses like adults. Fuck 'em.

>>56231624
Should have gone for Reserved List pieces.

>>56231624
The only way to make money with MtG is to become a predator to the Gordon Gecko wannabees out there. The guy on the video had the retarded notion that cracking packs was a good investment policy. Now, he has become prey for someone like this Rudy guy.

Who, adding insult to injury, makes a video for everyone to see. The fact that the wife was recording makes this the geek equivalent of a cuck video on xhamster.

>>56231624
>>couple invested $20,000 in modern mtg cards
Wait, but that's two dudes!

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>>56231624

Am I supposed to feel bad for this person?

Investing in "antiques" or their hobby related equivalent is only worthwhile if it is longer made, has significant cultural value (ie: vintage Colt Single Action Army / 1911 GI pistols are still valuable in spite of both still being in production today) or is otherwise a relatively unique item that has value to collectors.

""Investing""" in an intellectual property someone else controls is retarded. The vast majority of expensive Magic cards are expensive because of what they do, not because they have an inherent value like early print comic books or albums. If they reprinted Shock Lands nobody would buy the originals for substantially more than the reprint's market price. If you invested a substantial amount of your finances in Magic cards with the idea of turning a profit you are a retard who should have just burned that money to keep warm in the winter.

>if the had taken $20,000 to an investment broker they could have turned it into an actual source of income with very minimal involvement on their part
>instead they are spending energy trying to manipulate a market they have no control over, hoping they can at least break even

>>56231624
I can't see why you should hurt the average consumer to help a few extremists like these. That would be like intentionally making the stock even more limited just so scalpers can have an easier time doing their thing.

>>56231897
Never invest in hobbies as a means of financial income.

>Raise awareness that it's becoming 'unprofitable'
>drive out competition
>Prices go up

>>56231897
Is 20 grand even worth broker's time? I'm not American but calculating it back to euro money it's half a year on average wage, two months on a good job.

>>56231887
>guy can only agree everytime Rudy pointed to a card and said that tanked in the value
>his wife has to watch this for 20+ minutes realizing she's made a terrible mistake
feel kinda bad for him desu

Wizards literally has a whole list of cards that they'll never reprint, specifically for investors to hoard. Buy Alpha PSA 10s or reserve list shit if you want to invest in Magic. Don't shit up the Modern market.

>>56231624
> investing in anything but the reserve list
> calling it "investing" and not speculating
lol muh tarmogoyfs

>>56231938

There are a few exceptions but those involve such an enormous upfront cost that it would be infeasible for most people to even get started. Firearms, motor vehicles and antique coins are generally "safe" investments provided they are properly cared for. They are likely retain value ahead of inflation and firearms can be sold during panics for %40+ markups over regular market value if you are into predatory pricing.

For "nerd" hobbies like comic books, trading cards, miniatures, etc its almost always a terrible investment.

>>56232019

Taking the money to a broker was the laziest, least involved option they could have taken and still reasonably expected to see a return on their money. Counting the amount of time likely spent collecting, cataloging, shopping, trading etc for the cards in that collection the actual loss is probably higher than just stacking numbers against one another.

>>56231624
How about you spend your money on a real investment?
You know, like a normal fucking person.
Imagine if he had spend this on stocks that represented the S&P index 10 years ago.
He would have gained 50% on this investment.
Now he's in the fucking doghouse for investing in cardboard that can be produced in mass at will.

>>56231887
>Now, he has become prey for someone like this Rudy guy.
>Who, adding insult to injury, makes a video for everyone to see.

I think the only reason why he was willing to be made a fool of on youtube for Rudy's benefit is that he was hoping Rudy would buy his cards.

>>56231624

>have $20,000
>can invest in on Wall Street (or even some Eastern European stock exchange for maximum value)
>can buy art like painting sculptures or antiques, ie. shit that increases in value over time
>decide to "invest" in a fucking card game
>blame others for your bad life decisions.

>>56231887
let it be a lesson for anyone else trying to invest in the game. Don't be a retard and leave it to the pros.

>>56231624
>investing on modern
>not investing on vintage/legacy staples
imagine being this fucking retarded

>>56232158
>>56233127
this desu

>>56231624
>Invested in modern
Should have invested in duals.

>>56231624
mtg finance are the reason why it takes the price of two cars to get into modern. I hope all of these fuckers end up on welfare and have to get real jobs.

>>56231624
>"investing" in mtg cards
You know, I have a bridge to sell...

>>56231624

>investing 20k into children’s card games

If you want to treat MTG like an investment buy stuff off the reserved list.

Beyond that it's a hobby to be enjoyed like anything else. The prices should be followed for trading purposes and for when you're ready to cash out.

>>56232019
Um, yes. They don't manage your money directly, you put it into a fund of your choice.

>>56231624
>Should Wizards tone down their reprint policy?
If anything they should ramp up their reprinting. The reserved list wasn't a particularly great idea even at the time, and it's only gotten worse after the game properly stabilized.

I want some new blood in type 1.

>>56232019
20 grand is more than what most Americans can get together in one place. It's an exorbitant amount of money for cardboard. The last time I was in a position to invest I had less than 5 grand and my broker handled it.

>>56231624
FLASH NEWS: "Idiot couple made idiotic thing".

What's the problem?

Sometimes the bad guys lose.

>>56234211
>magic stores loosing a customer who spent $$$ on their sealed products
the less customers buying from stores means the less stores order from wizards. it hurts everyone in the long run.
wizards doesn't benefit from people investing in the reserved list.

>>56234166
Jesus Christ, the absolute state of the US. I'm 25 and I'm only working minimum wage jobs at three-quarters employment while I'm finishing my degree and I know for a fact that I can get 35k together by tomorrow just by calling in all of my accounts, fonds and three life policies running on my name. This is absolutely normal for anyone with two middle-class parents that give a shit around here.
I feel so bad for you guys.

>>56231624
>20000$

dude could've bought a vintage deck with that money probably, which would've only increased in value. what he did instead was just gambling, his fault to be honest.

>>56231624
Investors aren't whales. SCG, CK, T&T and CFB are WotC's whales.
People are low on WotC's sales radar, they sell to companies. This guy wasn't even a dolphin, hell Rudy may be the dolphin.

It's their fault for dumping that money in to magic and not something safer

>>56234897
Don't feel bad, we've got FREEDOM! The FREEDOM to be in ridiculous amounts of debt and have fucking no money ever!

Cardboard shouldnt cost more then 5$ in the first place

>>56234358

They just need to cost-benefit analysis losing buyers like this to gaining buyers with reprints. Also development time saved with reprints.

>>56234897

Yup. But hey, at least all those millionaires and massive corporations are getting tax cuts.

>>56235339
Rumor has it Iconic Masters has the largest print run for a Masters set so far. And we're getting 25 Masters in march so it seems they have measured us and found the "investors" wanting.

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>>56231624
>risky because of nonstop reprint sets
Is it really? [blank] masters only reprints, what, 3 cards that actually need it? It's much more risky because Modern has much less backing from WOTC.

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>>56232019
>euro

>tfw european
>tfw i just run the numbers, and with my current wages 20.000 dollars are 13 years of work, without counting the unpaid holidays, sick days

>>56235801
Balkans?

>>56235849
central italy

communism is a hell of a drug

>>56235876
I guess you can always move up north and try to get a job as a waiter in Austria? I mean, if all the eastern yurops can do it, why not you?

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There are always people looking to make money in TCGs. I can accept that.
What I don't like is people who complain that their "investments" are losing value because WOTC has the audacity to try and make the game cheaper so people don't have to pay 600-1k dollars to play fucking Modern. God forbid that Wizards attempts to try and get more people playing other formats, as well as GETTING MORE CONSUMERS AMD A STRONGER PLAYERBASE THROUGH REPRINTS because someone might lose money on cards they already own.

>>56236168
He's neither black enough to be a refugee or white enough to be a fake gypsy so northerncucks won't let him in.

>>56235876
The hell? I'm slav in slavlands and can set aside over 500 Euro a month just fine. Though I gotta say it gets easier when I'm single, childless and not an alcoholic.

>>56231624
>Should Wizards tone down their reprint policy?

Are you retarded? They should ramp it up. The game shouldn't cost that much to get into to begin with.

>>56234897
>Conversation is about average americans having 20k readily available.
>Anon talks about cashing out all his funds as if it's the equivalent.
Not everyone has upper middle class parents. I mean 3 fucking life insurance policies?

It was this kind of shit that lead to me quit magic roundabout the mirage release.

>>56231897
>>56233127
>>56234933
He didn't spend all of that money at once you tards. We don't even know how much this guy spent, just that it's been roughly 20 grand over 18 years.

>>56232059
This

Buy ABUR duals and moxen. Get them graded. Hoard those. Let people play with the rest of the toys.

>>56236787
he said he bought the zendikar expedition cards for roughly $1000 per set at the height of popularity hoping they'll increase.

he played for 18 years but most of these cards were acquired more recently than that and he certainly spent the bulk of that $20k during that time as well

>>56237058
>Played for 18 yeas
>Thought Standard sets would appreciate in value.

How can anyone be that high? If he was just getting into things and was lured in that'd be one thing, but if he'd been playing for even 5 years he should know that cards spike when they're in Standard, dip when they cycle out as Standard players dump them into the market, and then slowly creep up over time. Anyone investing should know anything not on the reserve list can be reprinted. If you want to make a profit on anything not on the reserve list you need to watch the news daily and dump anything that gets announced for a reprint.

If you want to hoard and wait you have to go on the reserve list. This guy smacks of the idiots who bought #1 issues of comics in the 90s. If you don't understand how collectables work you shouldn't be dumping five figures into it.

>>56231624
Jesus christ these two are stupid. For 20 grand these two could have put together a slick looking Kickstarter. They'd probably double their money in a year as long as they ship anything at all. Even if the game is half-assed and sucks it's less humiliation than they're going through now.

>>56237058
Christ, who the fuck buys masterpieces en masse. The only people who actually eant then are edh fags

Why didn't the stupid fuck just buy 20k in Hasbro stock?

>>56231624
>investing in cards that can take a significant hit from reprints
>not investing in lands that can literally only go up or reserved list cards that will never be reprinted

Idiots spent their money like the idiots they are. Nothing to see here.

>>56235801
Hell I'm italian too, but working full time you can reasonably expect some 1000$ tax free a month if you are not a nigro working picking tomatoes...

>>56231624
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

FUCK INVESTORS EAT SHIT

>>56236235
>Gypsies and Rapefugees
>Working as waiters
Please, your Americlap is showing

I'll educate you how this is done in central Europe:
>Be from shit-tier country
>Apply for work in Austrian skiing resort
>Do that for a few months
>Pay is shit by Austrian standards because gastronomy sector was too stupid to unionize in the 70s
>Still better than anything from shit-tier country by a wide margin
>Go home with full pockets and live like a king
Has worked perfectly for about three decades now.

>>56236666
Over here having more than one austere life insurance pretty much means your parents want to kill you and profit off it.

>>56234058
At the time it was what saved the game. However, it is an antique, the policy never should have been indefinite, though I understand why it was in the moment. The reserved list should be lifted and new, less desirable copies of the old cards should be printed on a large scale.

>>56231624
No, that's the risk you take with any kind of investment.

>>56237318
he has a shitload of fetches, shock lands, scry lands, pain lands, and sets of zendikar expeditions.

problem is that they're hampered by high print runs which makes the value slowly rise up and improved counterfeiting is hurting the pre-2015 market.

of course if he was investing mostly in foils then he would have been much better off.

>>56234897
I'm 36 and live in generational poverty along with literally everyone I know: friends and family. I have no skills except in fields I can't afford to break into, and no formal education beyond the 9th grade. I have no credit rating to speak of. I could put together $650 if I count all of the cash I keep hidden in a box, and a couple of debts I know my buddies are good for. My PC (my primary means of both communication and entertainment) is 7.5 year old, and was not top of the line when I decided it was still worth stealing.

This is normal for the sort of low income absentee-single-parent households common in my area.

>>56237502
What percentage of his investment was lands, anything less that 75% for modern legal cards is just idiotic.

I mean the idea of investing in mtg is idiotic anyway, but you know.

>>56237336
Sounds like non-retarded mexicans in Murrika
>Arrive without education begging for backbreaking construction work
>Become a fucking sponge for all you see and hear
>Go back home with traced plans and get rich making mcmansions
Only stupid immigrants seem to stay where they migrated to.

>>56232019
Average household is a couple weeks away from bankruptcy. You don't actually work if you really think 20K is no big deal.

>>56234897
>I know for a fact that I can get 35k together by tomorrow just by calling in all of my accounts, fonds and three life policies running on my name. This is absolutely normal for anyone with two middle-class parents that give a shit around here.
There is no country on Earth where that is a normal amount of wealth for a wage slave 25 y/o.

>>56238148
Switzerland.

>>56238148
He's just some euro-trash trying to jerk off his country and virtue signal over 'those poor Americans'.

>>56237525
Urban or mountain?

>>56237952
If the average household is up to their ears in loans for things they never actually needed, they are kind of asking for it.

>>56238148
Seems normal to me, unfortunately I have trash working class parents without any assets, property, savings or hell, anything at all really and I could still muster up around 30k when I was 25.
In Europe generally the minimum wage is much higher but the maximum wage is also much lower than the states of freedom.

>Wizards stops reprinting things
>every format but Standard ends up even more irrelevant than Vintage due to cost
>investors realize that the only human beings
with any interest in their ancient unusable cards are other investors as a result
>say you are one of the 2-3 people hoarding every copy of Stormcrow on the market
>literally the only human beings who want your cards have several thousand copies already, and will not buy for even fractions of a penny to the dollar
>end up going bankrupt and burning the Crows for warmth
>why won't WOTC support my investment?

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>>56231624
>investing in cardboard
>not investing the production of cardboard

>>56238148
>Have non-retarded parents that both work
>They start putting a littoe something on the side every month ever since birth and invest smart on behalf of the kid
>Top off with a bit of shitty part-timing
Absolutely achievable

>>56231624
LOL geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet fuuuuuuuuuuucked

>>56232093
>if you're into predatory pricing
psychos gonna path

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>>56231624
>actually investing in a kitchen table card game
>not even playing the game

>>56238255
I don't think a single person should buy that from you but I bet you could sell insurance on expensive cards implying they could then be reasonably played with (candalabras for 20 or some shit) The math on the packs works out so poorly for the consumer overtime and packs are for chumps in the first place (see above about predatory pricing i guess.)

>>56238552
Sure, but it's achievable pretty much anywhere, provided you have parents with money who play the stock market and make smart investments. So basically, what he's really saying is that being upper-middle class is awesome
>t. upper-middle class american

>>56231624
Why the fuck would you spend 20k in modern cards instead of reserve list cards? You're literally asking to take a dick in the ass at some point in the future.

This couple is stupid, deserves to lose all that money.

>>56238315
Born mountains, raised urban.

>>56231624
>person who wants to make money mad at a company that wants to make money

It's like pottery.

>>56231624
>Should Wizards tone down their reprint policy?
No, people should be able to play the fucking game. If wizards thinks a card is too powerful to reprint it should be banned. Otherwise just reprint the fucking thing.
People who try to make money off card games are stupid fucks.

>>56240188
Christ. Move out to Alaska and you can hit the poverty trifecta.

>>56237336
>gastronomy

Your pollack is showing, mate.

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G-g-g-guys.... I just bought 4 Yawgmoth's Will..... they're gonna go up in value rights..... Right?!!!

>>56231624
The problem isn't reprints, it's that wizards is killing interest in the hobby instead of growing it.

>>56237425
It's too late for that, legacy has under a decade before dying.

>>56241068
Are they? I haven't really seen any evidence of this, but I don't really have my fingers on the pulse of MTG.

>>56236310
>slav in slavlands
>not an alcoholic
Ask me how I can tell you're lying.

>>56232019
I'm a registered broker and now work as a risk admin for a clearing house- a large portion of accounts I've seen have less than 1-2 thousand dollars in them. These are usually either small investors or individual hedge firms.

The margin requirement on an Emini S&P is drastically less than 20k. ($4,620) and Corn is less than a grand.

>>56231838
This guy knows!^^^^
+1 internet point to you sir

>>56232059
>Wizards literally has a whole list of cards that they'll never reprint, specifically for investors to hoard
That reserved list keeps drastically inflating and drives most of the people who want to invest.

Drop of Honey was just $70-100 a few months
ago and it recently jumped to $400+. That's just insane.

>>56241256
And if it was 1/3rd the cost to get into then it may not die, what's your point?

>>56232093
>For "nerd" hobbies like comic books, trading cards, miniatures, etc its almost always a terrible investment.
You'd think people would have learned that 30 years ago
>Surely these """rare""" comic books will appreciate and not end up in the $1 trough 25 years from now

>2017
>not investing solely in crypto
These people, and anyone else like them itt, are wasting their time and money. The value of bitcoin has increased tenfold since a year ago and shows no signs of slowing down anytime soon. Invest now and you might just earn yourself a tidy profit.

However, keep in mind that cryptos are a risky investment. Don't invest more than you're willing to lose.

>>56243778
>However, keep in mind that cryptos are a risky investment. Don't invest more than you're willing to lose.

So like literally any investment ever. Including magic cards, scratch tickets, cars and guns

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>>56231624
KEK
who the FUCK is going to buy diminishing value cards at some cuck couple's massive mark-up? No shit something like goddamed magic cards are going to tank hard, that's why if you want to sell you do it FAST. I hope this sinks their marrage

>>56238148
This is normal in a homogeneous white nation

>>56234897
> not having a single parent house hold and being functionally homeless till you're 6.

>>56234897
Question is, how much is that going to hurt you. I mean, sounds to me like that's not pocket change you got there, but cashing in a lot of investments and such. I'm positive I could get $35k together if my life depended on it, but not just to invest on some scheme.

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>>56231624
>>56231624
>>56231624
>>56231624
>invested 20k over 20 years
>they didn't just dump 20k into a fixed deposit account
>20k at a 4% annual interest over 20 years = $44,451.64
>they actually put the money into hoarding MTG cards and not selling the shit before the mass reprint by Wotc happened

Laughing whores.jpg

>>56231624
Thats their mistake tho.
risky investment is risky, nothing new here

>>56237336
>>Gypsies and Rapefugees
>>Working
fixed

>>56243778
>cryptos are a risky investment
>invest solely in crypto
What did xe mean by this?

>>56235801
Im from poland and making 10k a year. My rent is 6k per year, and i need to eat too tho

>>56245544
Czech here, I cut 50% on accommodation expenses by switching from renting to paying off mortgage. Though it's giving up mobility, obviously, but it's not like I could go bigger than Prague.

>>56245606
I dont want to risk it, as I dont have permanent contract

>>56245623
I see. Yeah, that's another factor that needs to be considered.

>>56245606
burgerland, i can do 11k a year per job but only because they refuse to let you work enough hours to receive benefits until the old people retire (note: the old people do not retire)

>>56238148
>Norway
>Sweden
>Denmark
>Finland
>France, Belgia, etc
>Germany, Netherland, etc
>Switzerland
>Italy
He doesn't even have that much stored either, just a little less than a years wages.
All he is really saying, is that he is upper middle class, so he understands that he wants to have some economical backbone, in case of whatever, to avoid taking loans, or so he can go somewhere and buy a new automobile with unborrowed cash.
Or that if parts of his household breaks, he doesn't need to wait for a paycheck to start considering his real options.

He is also saying that $35k is some amount of money, since thats his entire backbone/emergency fund. But 20k is only half of it, so its not a lot of money.

>>56231624
A game company should never consider the secondary market in terms of reprints. At the same time though, cards that reach a certain value should be considered up for banning from tournaments due to being at great risk of being stolen.

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>>56231624
>I used to invest in yugioh but all the reprints made me lose money
And so he went to mtg to try and make money.

>>56231624
>Should MTG give up some of their earnings to allow greedy people the opportunity to sell their cards at a higher price and keep the profits for themselves?

Yaaaaa no.

>>56247536
>Investing in a game that has an insane power creep

Holy shit, why would anyone do that. The old cards aren't used not because they're rare, but because they're useless!

>>56234897
> upper middle class trust fund baby
story doesn't add up
if he can afford college out-of pocket, why is he wagecucking himself?

>>56234897
Holy shit that is delusion. Canacuck here. I'm 27 with 2 middle class parents, and while I could probably borrow a significant amount from them in an emergency, I never had life policies or funds running in my name. The closest I ever had was an old savings account with some 15k that had everything any family ever gave to me from birth to 20 years old and an RRSP from my rich uncle with 1.5k. Plus they paid my tuition.
I considered myself right on the break point between middle and upper middle. You are quite steadily in the "wealthy" category.

>>56234949
> dolphins are pretty vicious
yeah, the comparison makes sense

>>56235284
>>56236486
>The game shouldn't cost that much
no such thing as should or shouldn't. there's a price. either you are willing to pay or not willing, or can't afford to. "should" doesn't factor into it.
also playing doesn't cost that much at all unless you want to play competitively. Doing anything competitive costs money, take for example youth hockey gear. The complainers are a bunch of faux-competitive people think they're big fish when they're really less than bait. Real competitive players don't own collections. They get cards on loan from sponsors. Or they make enough from their winnings to subsidize their collections.

>>56231624
What a retarded investment.

>>56240188
>>56238315
kinda obvious urban. he needed to steal the computer from somebody right?

>>56231624
>waaah we gambled on overpriced cardboard and lost
>waaah plz gibe less reprints kthxbye

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

>>56241256
that's what they said a decade ago

>>56237300
I would buy masterpieces for my deck, but never en masse, and only if I like the art more than normal. I'd say I'm not even in the majority--or else some people have terrible taste. A lot of the Zendikar expeditions are just fucking gross color blobs.

>>56231624
Rudy and all other "investors" can eat my shit out of the toilet. MTG hoarders are chickenshit scum.

Play the stock market or hedge funds like any respectable investor.

>>56238148
I'm 27, french, middle class with middle class parents and I have this on my readily available bank accounts. With what my grandpa left as inheritance I'm a bit over 250k in total.

>>56231694

That's a cute picture. The mama moose just looking over her babies while they cool down in a kiddie pool.

>>56255185
You are a notable exception.

>>56255388
Not really. Considering what's called the middle class has revenues ranging from 15000€ to 30000€ per year after tax here, it's not hard. I'm around 22000€ after taxes and I can still put 1000€ on the side every month.

>>56255512
>and I can still put 1000€ on the side every month.

So at the age of 27 you have almost 21 year's savings in the bank. Yeah, somehow I think most of that is money you've been given, not money you've earned. Not a lot of six year olds making 22000EUR a year. But sure, anyone can do that, as long as they have well off grandparents dying on them and parents who pass on the inheritance.

>>56255712
I found how do americans get into financial troubles like this : they can't count.

I've been working for 2 years and a half now, putting 1000€ on the side every month. I had a little under 3k on my account when I finished my studies (mostly from internships, an excellency grant and summer jobs). ~35k is not much really, especially when you are putting money on the side to buy a house.

>>56231624
fuck those people

>>56242542
>That reserved list keeps drastically inflating and drives most of the people who want to invest.

So what you're telling me is, people see prices on a potential investment climbing relentlessly, and this is somehow a turn-off?

>in modern
>in the format most likely to get fucked by WOTC
Genius idea. How are those splinter twin and Grave Troll copies doing?

>>56232093
Cars depreciate pretty fast the instant they roll off the lot, and "investing" in firearms is generally not a good idea either, unless you're looking at rare, historical firearms, and even then there's much better ways to invest your money

>>56259284
He basically means minimal depreciation as long as you do the maintenance.

My own firearms are for firing, though it's nice to know I can easily recoup most of the value. Beyond initial price, I tend not to think of my hobbies in terms of money. Sadly got these guys, I was better off spending $300 on a glass sculpture from Chihuly Museum in Seattle than their "investment" in magic.

>>56254875

And the fact that Rudy actually thinks hoarding modern Pokemon sealed products (box sets and what not) is a good idea is as laughable as the couple "investing" in Modern Magic cards. I fully expect he will get burned for buying fucking pallets of XY Evolutions

>>56256915
>people see prices on a potential investment climbing relentlessly, and this is somehow a turn-off?
We're seeing this stuff because more and more people are paying attention to the reserved list and most cards don't see returns like Drop of Honey.

The best time to have invested was years ago when cards were like half the price you see today.
The average player isn't going to be able to afford to buy in if these prices keep increasing and it's just going to become a rich spectator's market.

It's similar to Bitcoin where people thought buying in at $3k was too high.

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>>56231624
>Did we make a bad investment?
>No, it's WotC that's wrong!

>>56238552
>>Have non-retarded parents that both work
>>They start putting a littoe something on the side every month ever since birth and invest smart on behalf of the kid
>>Top off with a bit of shitty part-timing

Do you understand the definition of the word "average?" This is not average no matter how much you want to delude yourself into thinking it should be.

>>56246316
This
Hell, i actually DID qualify for benefits, but as soon as the affordable care act passed, they upped the minimum hours while simultaneously cutting part time hours.

>>56231624
Those guys are idiots for investing in non-reserved list cards.

>>56262618
>Do you understand the definition of the word "average?" This is not average no matter how much you want to delude yourself into thinking it should be.
But it is.

>>56245537
That he's a retard

>>56262710

This is what obongo did, made employers give people 35 hours a week and no more so they count as part time. Democrats being retarded as usual.

>>56255846


3500 in bank account just after studying.. that's hardly fair comparing yourself to people who actually pay 40k for university vs getting it for free..

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>>56231624

So printing fetchlands twice in ten years constitutes "too many reprints?"

>>56245623
>>56245645

Magyar bro here, I saved my shekels and bought a 105m2 flat with three rooms. I rent two of the room out to students and that pays my mortgage and almost all of my utilities, allowing me to spend more on the plastic crack. Look into home/flat ownership.

>>56262867
>invest smart on behalf of kid
It's not. Listen man, we're hitting record-breaking numbers of syphilis and gonorrhea. The average person who had a child in their mid-twenties doesn't even know enough to wrap their shit. Investments are way beyond them.

>>56265181
Hey, you can argue that people who have to pay for their uni also pay less taxes when they have graduated.

>investing in childrens card game
>investing outside reserved list
>take a huge hit
I dont see anything wrong here

>>56231624
>read the comments
>full of >, keks and :^)
Why /tg / loves this faggot so much? Or is just the modern general?

>>56231624
Jackass scalpers got what was coming to them. They inflated this bubble, they can take their dues with it bursting.

Don't put your stock into cardboard next time.

There's a guy at my store who loses his shit anytime anything is reprinted because he loses value on his "investment". This is a guy that has everything and is always willing to buy collections from people leaving and transparently gets his social gratification by being "that guy" who has any and every card anybody needs.

He also happens to be the most cancerous person in the community and you can count dozens if not a hundred people who don't show up just because he exists. Problem is, there are so many people connected to him that the store owner can't afford to tell him to permanently fuck off because the damage would be immeasurable. But without a doubt the long-term benefits would be immense; the number of people who would come back with a guarantee he won't show up would number in the dozens but you would risk attendance would go to shit for six months as everything adjusts.

The combination of assholes like this and a game that is fucking way too expensive just prevents anybody from sticking around. If they drastically lowered the cost of playing by reprinting shit to the max then Magic can run without having to depend on the most cancerous and whale-like spenders to maintain a regular play space. Think about the good every store would achieve if every fucking shark went away or had no reason to be a shark. You would cut 90% of asshole behavior traits out overnight if the retarded cost of playing wasn't a barrier. And I'm saying that as a person who was consumed with trading for value at a time.

>>56259926
Rudy isn't some small-time shitter. He manages multiple businesses in addition to doing his card game bullshit.

It would take an immense number of fuck-ups to sink him in all departments of his life for his actual life to be impacted. He could probably lose a hundred thousand dollars in a day and not even blink. In fact, I think his underground horde could probably go up in flames and it wouldn't matter to him like it would matter to most people.

He's a rich guy who makes YouTube videos about his hobby; he's not a guy who is rich because of his hobby or his YouTube videos.

>>56271747
>he’s a rich guy!
>e-begs on patreon

>>56272323
You don't know people like Rudy. I know people like Rudy. I work with and lived with people like Rudy.

People like Rudy know they're not doing a good job by letting money slip through their fingertips. He knows if all it takes to earn an extra piece of scratch is to post some pity video or beg on Patreon to sucker in a couple nickels, it's worth it. He knows that every effort he makes to promote himself on Patreon has long-term monetary benefits even if it's completely insignificant relative to the rest of his income.

A person like Rudy could sit down and decide to watch a movie but somewhere in the back of his mind he realizes he could make some cash by making a post on Patreon whereas the movie gets him nothing.

Do you really think that rich people can't be utterly ruthless and will do anything for an extra buck? Do you think only poor shitty people do that? No, everyone does that. They fucking love making money and often the only difference between rich people loving money and poor people loving money is that rich people are willing to put in the time to make it. The only reason why you and me sit back and waste our time "having fun" or sit on 4chan is because we love our free time more than we love money.

>>56272624
Not him but I'm rich from my own efforts you sociopath, it's called having a well paying job. Not everyone thinks like you and feels compelled to obtain money at every waking hour like some sort of walking Jewish stereotype.

>>56255846
A shack in my city costs 600,000 euros.

>all these retards wondering how people don't have as much money as they do when they have inheritances and parents giving them everything

And you morons call Americans stupid.

>>56262867
The average parent does not have both them and another parent working. The average parent does not invest in money for their kid. You are wrong.

>>56245537
Go big or go home :^)

>>56273037
>The average parent does not have both them and another parent working.
This is only true by averaging though all of the society (as in when white kid has both parents working and gypsy kid has neither, kids have one parent working on average)
>The average parent does not invest in money for their kid.
That much is true either way.

>>56267116
Knowing these assholes have people within WotC, I wouldn't be surprised if they know there's an upcoming Fetchland reprint next year. And two years from now they pretty much have to reprint the Onslaught Fetchlands in MM4 because that's the only thing of value about Theros/Khans.

>>56259284
Banks and stocks are the best way to invest your money, but these people want ways to invest that aren't taxed and are traded in cash without registry.
Then they complain that they don't have safety nets for playing outside the rulebook.

>>56238267
But then 35k$ would only be effectively worth 10k there.

>>56271747
Seriously? 100 grand a day? then why the fuck is he on Patreon?

Are you really this cucked?

>>56271634
Stores will die when Arena releases.
This shit is actually good and solves the problem of having to drive an hour into downtown niggerland to play with horrible people.
Any store that subsists thanks to Standard is doomed.

>>56273429
>This shit is actually good and solves the problem of having to drive an hour into downtown niggerland to play with horrible people.
Exactly having game with terrible people from the comfort of your home will beat that. Just like MMOs and MOBAs completely obsoleted board games.

Oh, wait...

>>56272940
I won a lottery, bought a bunch of buildings and live comfortable from rent without working. I spend all day making art or playing games.
But at one point I tried to open an editorial of my own and let me tell you, rich people like Rudy are way more common than rich people like you and me.

I don't need more money all my needs and wants are covered. But there's a lot of people in the world who use money as a security blanket and will give up on their entire lives to make more money and never even spend it in anything that doesn't make even more money. And these people were 9/10 of the company owners, CEOs and stockholders I spoke whit while investigating the inner corporate workings of editorial, printing and distribution.

The jewish stereotype comes from reality and you don't even need to be jewish to be a neurotic miser even if you're a millionaire.

>>56271634
>there's this cancerous guy who goes to my LGS he turns people away, he cheats, he smells bad, he rapes children in front of their mothers
>but I still go the LGS
>b-buh no onr can kick him out because he's the owners son/he's my best friend/he's got ((((connections))))))
I understand that this is a roleplaying board but I'm bored with this shitpost, don't you guys have anything new?

>>56273336
This.
Latin american cities are popular vacation spots because you can eat a 4 star tier meal for $10 while food truck shit in NY runs you $5.

Money isn't worth the same everywhere in the world. You may believe you're making way much more, and still have a lower adquisitive power than people do in smaller cities and developing countries who make 1/3 of your earnings.

>>56273542
You don't even need to interact with your opponent in Arena. You can pretend you're playing with the AI if you're not playing with your pals.
And MMOs did obsolete gaming clubs. Nowadays most people who play board games do so at home with their pals. Long gone are the days every corner coffee shop in Portland had a copy of Ticket to Ride to lend for patrons who weren't there for the coffee.

>>56231653
/thread
First reply is best reply as always.

The game should be about who can construct the best deck, not who can afford the best deck.
"Investers" can indeed go fuck themselves.

>>56231624
>'investing' in a children's card game
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>56231624
I am just gonna join everyone else and said they fucked up big time
They should have invested in precious metals, property, stocks, art, and/or lotsa drugs

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>>56231624
>dumps 20k into toys
>"investment"
As a business grad, this hurts the void where my soul used to be.

Also echoing >>56237311
>Why didn't the stupid fuck just buy 20k in Hasbro stock?
You answered your own question

>>56273619
Never understood what the point of money was if you weren't going to spend or enjoy it.

I understand wisely investing the money to see even more returns on it, but then what? Repeat infinitely, never to actually benefit from the money?

Stupid.

>>56273619
>But there's a lot of people in the world who use money as a security blanket and will give up on their entire lives to make more money and never even spend it in anything that doesn't make even more money.
Where's that comics about nihilism when you need it?

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>>56275996
Got you covered

>>56275977
>Never understood what the point of money was if you weren't going to spend or enjoy it.
-Hedges against bad times.
-It's a goal to work toward in life / greed
-The habits that made you rich in the first place are hard to break
-Fear of poverty
-Status / social standing
-Dump it into your descendants (elite education, quality tutors, trust fund, etc)
-Retire with the same lifestyle you lived with while working

>>56275977
Workaholism is its own reward.

>>56276174
Workahol is one hell of a drug

>>56234897
You don’t live here, we feel bad for you. Or we would if you people actually mattered.

>>56259284
Not new cars dingus, vintage cars that actually appreciate.

>>56271634
toddynho

>>56276036
Mark Zuckerberg wants to be your next president.
And he just recently got in a feud with Musk because he thinks AI should not be regulated or stopped from replacing humans in the workforce before safety nets are in place for the unemployed or the technology is even proven to actually be functional in the long run.

The bottom panel just reminded me of him for whatever reason, must be the nondescript gray t-shirt.

>>56232019
20k is about a year's worth of work at minimum wage here in my state.

>>56250936
>35k is a trust fund baby
>laughing_whores.tiff

>>56234897
Seriously anon, good on you for saving your money. It's not common to do, as this thread so plainly demonstrates, but it's not especially difficult and is immensely rewarding. I just wanted you to know that you're not the crazy one. 35k is a good start, and if you saved that up doing shit jobs then you have a good saving instinct that, if you keep it as you gain income, will carry you far.

It's a game. Cards are meant to be played with. Wizards is already far too gentle with the secondary market and speculators.

Burn the Reserved List to the ground and reprint everything.

>>56231624
WotC should announce that the Reserved List will be going away in 5/10 years.

That gives plenty of time for collectors to cash out.

Realistically conservative reprinting won't send values down anyway.

>>56280210
Nope. Reserved List is everything. It is a sacred covenant between the consumer and WotC. If they break the covenant then all trust is lost. All Magic cards will be worthless for all time and the game will cease to exist instantly.

>>56242542
Drop of Honey went up to $599.99 since you posted this.

>>56279802
It's too easy to get close to Hasbro employees. They even have an entire children's hospital bearing their name. Are they really ready to face the consequences should they betray everyone? The secondary market has been far too gentle with them.

>>56231653
>>56273820

Agreed. Also, screw the reserved list as well.

Its a game of fun, building decks, not 'who can afford/was lucky enough to acquire back in the day' a playset of XYZ rares.

>>56280638
>le autism

Did you study the blade?

>>56280638
The secondary market should be more concerned with the IRS than Hasbro.
The men in black don't like people hiding appreciating assets that can be used for laundering and the only thing keeping them from making you a visit is how many digits you have avoided reporting.

>>56280619
It's a shitty covenant. If the game isn't fun enough to stand on its own merits, then it should burn.

>>56280619
I didn't ask for this covenant.

>>56281309
That's because you inherited it. Check you privileged position you white man(a).

>>open borders for Eldrazi #notallEldrazi

>>56281589
But I'm not in a privileged position because if I want a wheel I'd have to shell out 60-70 bucks for it.

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>>56231624
is this worse?

but I honestly don't think any game is worth doing an economic investment into unless you really know what you are doing

>>56280788
You know they're concerned about those who do though, didn't people flip out when they reprinted a foil Phyrexian Negator and shit and threaten big lawsuits and other hyperbole?

>>56281652
I inherited a Wheel and bequeathed it but bought one for less than it is now because I knew it would not go down. I'm in the black. Wheel was always a $5 card like Yawgmoth's Will anyway.

>>56281737
This is like those dumbasses who invested in Beanie Babies. Just a bunch of retards who fell for FOMO.

>>56281737
>>56282059
This. If something is popular you're already late to profit.
Investment is either giving your money to the bank and get scraps while they make millions but at least most of the time your money is safe. Or literally gable it in any product or industry blowing up and bringing you the big bucks because you were at the right place at the right time.

If getting rich was as easy as buying a shitload of something, everyone would be.

>>56282315
>If something is popular you're already late to profit.

Yup.

>>56231624

Way i see it, they should keep the cards in good condition.
Nothing lasts forever.
Sure, collector's interest in MtG will eventually wane, but there's a chance WotC stops production of MtG cards before that.
When that happens, artificial scarcity begins to slowly set in as people treat their collections as prized possessions and refuse to sell them for any price.
After a while, this couple could make big bucks by selling their cards to collectors for a high value, simply because they're one of a few people who still sell MtG cards instead of keeping their collection.

>>56231653
Agreed.
Why the fuck should people who make a bad investment be prioritised over the masses who want to be able to play for cheaper, and are willing to buy the singles that others open packs for?

>>56255512
>living on 10,000 Euromonies per year

Where the fuck are you? Seriously, are you a brain surgeon in bumfuck nowhere Eastern Europe or something?

>>56280619
So you're saying reserved list should be abolished now and without warning?

>>56231624
i would say that as long as the stores don't get fucked up by it it's fair for WotC to go heavy with reprints.

every box players buy generates more money than a box bought by investors, because players will keep on playing and bringing their friends into their hobby, while ""Investors"" will inflate prices and drive away people from the hobby.

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>>56278866
it's just not the same without the rock hard nipple

>>56267116
Wizards has been going overboard with amount of product printed per set.

Just 1 reprint can be a death sentence for a card's price. Especially when you consider the amount of boxes that are hoarded behind the scenes.

>>56287411
>overboard

Everything should be reprinted often enough to fuck over anybody parasitic and stupid enough to "invest" in MtG cards.

>>56288019
While I agree that overall volume of available cards should steadily increase, there's nothing wrong with having some price barrier to keep the plebs away.

>>56231624
Is it really a couple if you simply refuse to leave or get another roommate and thus you resort to blowing each other for a decade?

>>56288067
>some
>legacy and modern demand so much money to play that with a single competitive deck of those you could have decks for the entire metagame of other popular card games

>>56289144
>legacy
could wizard get away with making legendary dual lands or something?

>>56231624
>"invested" in a card game
>mad that players who can play the game more easily are costing him money on his "investment"
Keep 'em cucked, Wizards!

>>56288067
>keep the plebs away
This isn't some faggot third-world shithead ruining your online game because it went free-to-play. Having a huge population that also consists of retards means a store can justify a bigger building with more employees with amenities and more money and product rolling around just benefits everyone as a whole as it would also justify more events.

Things only go to shit if you cannot enforce basic social standards. The way the game is going the only way it survives is that it has to cater to long-term established cancerous shitbags that you can't tell to fuck off because you depend so much on their income. Because the way it is right now in addition to the price of the game there are countless ingrained shit elements of a community that repulse tonnes of would-be players. The more people and the more general population you get into the building the more power you can have to cleanse the community of pleb shitters. I feel like the people who treat this thing as their exclusive club and care not for the sustainability of the game because they don't want to lose out on their "investment" do so much more damage lingering around sharking new players. If competitive decks could be had for the price of a video game I think that strikes a good balance and not the fucking price of a car payment.

>>56231624
No, wizards shouldn't stop reprinting, just because a very small group is upset. That they can't make money off investing on cards.

Reprinting cards is a good move for Wizards, and stores to make a constant income.

>>56231624
I don't like the investment side of Magic, but I respect Rudy. I'm skeptical that investors are /that/ bad for the game (or at least that they don't do more harm than good), and Rudy seems like an interesting guy. It's just clear that we're playing two very different games.

>>56291360
>they don't do more harm than good
I would love to know the all the good reasons that offset:
- increase the price of singles globally
- the increase in prices motivates people to sell their cards online for full price instead of selling them locally at the store, which dis-incentivizes stores from carrying singles at all as they cannot keep stock
- reduce the availability of singles globally and locally
- diminish the culture by sharking absolutely anybody and promoting cutthroat trading practices and lack of charity

Sure, I "respect" Rudy in that he is good at what he does. But people like him and their shittier less capable imitators are fucking pure cancer.

The fact that Wizards purposely maintains an environment that allows these people to thrive to the detriment of a financially convenient way to play the game tragic.

>>56231624
No, they should crash the secondary market with no survivors.

>>56291606
Having a strong secondary market is a sign of a good performing game in my opinion.

I saw one of Rudy's Force of Will vids where he talked about the card game dying due to massive overprinting and other bullshit that killed the secondary market.

Sure enough I checked ebay and no single cards were being sold from the new Force of Will set.

People want the cards they buy to have value.

>>56289354
They could make a 20 land cycle of forest, tap to add red/blue/white/black mana and so on. Slightly weaker than duals but the difference would be so minimal they'd be enough to make a good non RL manabase.

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>>56231624
>Pay 20k on cardboard for kids
>"And what do you play, pal"
>"Standard"

>>56255846
You don't consider what it takes you 3 years to save much?

>>56293710
People want the cards they already own to be valuable and the ones they are intending to buy to be dirt cheap. This is not hard or new.

>>56295233
Oh yeah, and thousands of dollars per card =/= healthy secondary market. For example, on the basis of sales the Power 9 have an insanely unhealthy market due to lack of movement. They have reached the point where it's not so much a market as a collection of people who happen to own some, and who very rarely exchange it for something else. My LGS got an Alpha Black Lotus and found it virtually impossible to price because there are so few sales, they couldn't get a useful idea of what to sell it for. When something so fragile is so expensive normal channels of selling collapse and they still have it as far as I know.

>>56231624

Anyone "investing" in Magic cards deserves to be shat on. Buy fucking stocks or bonds or land if you want to invest. Magic is a game and Magic cards are game pieces, and it's a travesty that there is a single Magic card more expensive than five cents American.

>>56231897
>burned that money to keep warm in the winter
>having physical money

>>56289354
They could print
>Funny Taiga
>Mountain Forest
>When Funny Taiga enters the battlefield you gain 1 life
The resserved list only prevents them from printing the cards in the list and cards with the exact same rules text, mana cost, color and type than cards in the list.
Any addition to the rules text, any change in the mana cost, color or typeline makes them non-funcional reprints and therefore printable.

>>56231624
>invested
>"""""""""invested"""""""""

I kind of feel bad for them, but not really. This isn't an investment than playing the lottery is.

>>56300921
You're more likely to make money playing some lotteries than investing in magic and I say that as a guy who made $12K off Chain Lightning because I filled a binder with them when they were $0.25 each.
I also once made $600 off a $0.50 mexican lottery because it hit 4/6 numbers.

>>56293710
People who want to make money on the secondary market all deserve to get shot.

I can't wait until all these cancerous retailers have been pushed out of the market by online and chain stores.

>>56298214
At least speculating on magic cards will only hurt the speculator... speculating on stocks can have bad consequences for a lot of people.

>>56278866

>And he just recently got in a feud with Musk because he thinks AI should not be regulated or stopped from replacing humans in the workforce before safety nets are in place for the unemployed or the technology is even proven to actually be functional in the long run.

Zuckerberg is a prick, but he's totally right about this one.

>>56302351
If you want socialism, Zuckerberg's ur man. If you want competitive races to the stars, Musk's right, robots are gonna kill that future.

>>56231624
20,000 isn't even that much money for a good "investment". Even some casuals have > $1000 worth of cards and they're not even speculating or investing.

I don't even play and I hope more of these investor cunts get fucked over. I hope they lose everything but their most basic housing.

>>56301340
When there's enough speculators or simply horders people suffer:
- local supply gets low, nobody gets to play
- online gets bought out, nobody gets to play
- they sit on the cards, nobody gets to play
- prices go up, you'd think people would sell their cards at this point, but... the people selling the cards are the people who had previously horded or speculated on the card

Not to mention the store still has to deal with all the customer service of telling the foot traffic constantly that the card isn't in stock. And if people can't get the cards they won't play the game, and if it reaches a critical point that events don't fire, then the local game community dies.

MaRo is like some really shitty dictator who tells you how much he loves his job, how good it used to be, how good it is now, and refuses to talk about the famine, a shortage of medicine, and fucking bandits in the streets. It's like some fucked up card game equivalent of Orwell's dystopia.

>>56305373
>MaRo is like some really shitty dictator who tells you how much he loves his job, how good it used to be, how good it is now, and refuses to talk about the famine, a shortage of medicine, and fucking bandits in the streets. It's like some fucked up card game equivalent of Orwell's dystopia.
lol welcome to marketing 101

>>56301274
the day the secondary market dies is the day the physical card game dies.

people here make it sound like they'd rather spend hundreds of dollars on a digital card game with no trading/selling just to stick it to mtg spectators.

>>56306505
Entry-level marketing isn't taken until at earliest the second year, which means there isn't a 100-level class. And in the class you get a pretty cold bastard take on things even if the material has an objective and academic viewpoint on successes and techniques. It's a necessity but at no point are you told you have to do it with a smile on your face.

MaRo is laughing every step of the way. Either he enjoys deceiving people or he doesn't care enough to lose sleep over it which makes him an asshole or a kool-aid drinking fanatical cult-leader. Forsythe is probably stoked that his former-boss is doing his job for him.

Stop throwing "it's marketing" around like it's a buzzword like people throw "supply and demand" around as if some invoking a reserved academic principle excuses all the mental illness and problems with the system. It makes us all dumber.

>>56306685
If the digital card game cost me $1000 for the entirety of Magic that would be cheaper than 1.5 Modern decks.

In the pure interests of playing the game I think we would be more than happy to let the physical game die if it meant we could actually play the fucking game. Players are so fucking useless that getting 8 people together for a draft is a logistical chore; why else would people pay paper-retail prices to draft online - because it's less of a fucking pain.

People talk about the social benefits all the time but if you can't play the goddamn game then you don't have any social reason to be there; just have beers some other way. And if you don't care about the social reasons then playing online is entirely more convenient and you can access it immediately instead of ordering cardboard or having to haggle with some dipshit and their gym bag full of binders.

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>>56231624
>WAAH WAAAH WHY WONT MY INVESTMENT IN A LITERAL PIECE OF INKED CARDBOARD STAY WORTH SOMETHING

*inahles*
AHAAHHAHAAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Go fuck yourself you fat fuck is all I have to say to """"Alpha"""" Investments

>>56291606
They prop up the secondary market, which is important because it adds to the survivability of the game. People are disincentivized to spend money on new cards that they know will be one day soon be worthless, but a strong secondary market solves this. Even when no-one's buying new cards, the secondary market props up the game and stops it from fatally hemoraging players.

If it weren't for the secondary market, Magic would have died after Kamigawa.

>>56307059
Makes you think that the current release model is a crock of shit weirdly doesn't it? What's wrong with an lcg-style release?

>>56307059
They learned from the experience though - for M:tG going strong as it does there's good couple other WotC games that withered and died.

>>56307059
The secondary market is an entirely different animal now. Before it was stores with an online component. If it simply remained that way then great because those stores contribute a play-space.

Now, it is a pile of people from home mailing out their shit; every store has ten other people in the city competing against them for sales and leeching off the players in the store all the while doing none of the customer service or providing play space. The new secondary market has a disturbing equilibrium right now and the increase in prices is responsible for it. Because there are no barriers of entry to the marketplace anybody can join and have an equal opportunity floorspace and this negatively impacts the stores that both invested in infrastructure and support the game by teaching players and hosting events.

Yes, the secondary market propped up the game, but that was when the secondary market consisted almost entirely of actual brick and mortars. The majority of the secondary market players today are doing none of that work to keep the game going at the local level and though they're all small, combined they have a significant impact in terms of impacting the supply and promoting the ripoff shark atmosphere we're all familiar with.

The same thing is happening to the primary marketplace. Letting Walmart sell your product is a good business decision except Walmart shoulders none of the responsibility to sell the product like an LGS does. They reap all the benefits while incurring none of the costs while taking sales away from LGSs that do incur the costs.

>>56307059
Who the hell thinks like that?

People buy game pieces because they can be used to play the damn game.

>>56231624
Inflation is good for the economy, but bad for the troglodyte mattress-stuffers.

>>56307609
and you can't just 'buy game pieces to play the damn game' when it comes to mtg.

you have to buy from the middle-man retailers or lgs who mark up the cost to make a profit.

then you either buy multiples of marked up products to make card sets to play with or keep buying into a lottery system until you get the card sets you want.

now suppose the game piece you want is no longer in print. then you'll have to buy from the seconday market that'll adjust the price depending on demand and supply.

there's just no getting around this unless you want to completely dismantle what makes up the current mtg brand.

>>56307094
Are lcg as popular and making as much money as Magic or Pokemon?
Just look at Netrunner which is probably the biggest of those. Wasting money on singles sucks, but random cards work and make those games move more money which in turn generates more support and so on.
lcg model also arguably stagnates faster.

>>56308302
They don't need to make nearly as much money to be sustainable to be fair. Look how long the star wars lcg has gone for even though theres maybe like 30 something dedicated players.

I disagree that lcg's stagnate faster. I think that's ffgs fault for recent metas in netrunner especially, worlds this year was much better though (you could argue the amount of CI decks was pretty shit but alot of them were doing different things)

>>56308153
You have always been able to buy the pieces. The fucking problem is that the secondary market is off the fucking rails that it takes mental illness (which I have) to buy the cards at their current price.

You can avoid the worst of supply and demand bullshit if they would fucking print more shit so people can continue playing the game at cut out that last fucking problem. If the secondary market only consisted of the LGS then that is fucking perfect and where we once where before it became profitable for joe-retard to ship cards from him home.

We're not dismantling shit that should be there, if Wizards printed more shit that it became non-profitable for people who didn't provide a roof to play under were forced out of the market because prices are insufficient to justify the time investment then we're simply rolling it back to a time when it's not normal for a card to just randomly spike to $50.

>>56308353
That's true, but why wouldn't they want to make more money? There's no reason not to besides their goodwill or, from a business point of view, making use of the niche lcgs have since there are some(not many) players who want to play games like this.

I'm also not saying they stagnate faster because Netrunner's meta, the meta of the games is always changing as new cards are printed and sometimes you have good or bad streaks. What I mean by stagnating is that they have more limited ways of playing. See how drafting them is way more complicated than buying half a dozen of packs with a few friends, or how, because of the lgs model, the number of cards that exist is rudeced since there's less room used with useless cards that some people still want. The model does have advantages, specially great ones for players, but if you create games you'd still do the ccg.

>>56308369
And let me make something else clear, "printing more shit" does not necessarily only mean increasing the volume of raw sealed product.

What has to happen is the density of good shit in sealed product has to go up whether it be precons or booster product. That means no more of this 1 in 110 chance to open a specific Mythic or 1 in 55 chance to open a specific rare. That means no more of this printing necessary landbases at Rare and utility lands like Blinkmoth Nexus or Mutavault can afford shifts down to Uncommon without fucking wrecking Limited. Fucking Mishra's Factory was an Uncommon. It also means that they have to start printing better shit in Common and Uncommon and not have the odds of 14.5/15 in a pack being unplayable trash outside of Limited. The sheer idea that someone has to open on average 400+ packs just to get a playset of Mythics is fucking retarded and worthy of a lynching when you realize all the power is pushed to the Rare and Mythic level. Fucking Rare premium creature removal? Seriously?

Booster contents have been mostly dogshit for time immemorial except now there is no goddamn reason that a Tundra should cost $300 or whatever the fuck it is at now. There is no good reason for why my collection appreciated by 200% in value over the past five years. On the extreme end of things a Living End deck that I bought for $50 is now suddenly worth at least $400.

>>56308494
Generally speaking, a company shouldn't HAVE to turn a profit unless it's being propped up by investors (obviously WOTC is a bad example at that point so it's a stupid one so forgive me)

That's a fair point about the game itself stagnating due to formats. There's about 5 NR formats and only two are really played anywhere (Standard, Legacy/All cards/Whatever, Cache Refresh, Limited and Big Sponsor).

I think though in the end I sort of agree with you. Wizards makes so much money from just pushing Friday Night Magic as a limited format event that going to an lcg would be dumb

>>56302351
>Replace low level maintenance jobs with unproven AI
>Suddenly electricity, phone and water services shut down
>We couldn't have foreseen this disaster, says presient Zuckerberg in a telegram as Musk watches from his private mars colony.

Facebook man is quite retarded for someone so intelligent.

>>56306685
>people here make it sound like they'd rather spend hundreds of dollars on a digital card game with no trading/selling just to stick it to mtg spectators.
Literally described Heartstone, Gwent and a bunch of others.
Arena isn't here to make streaming easier or improve on Magic Online. Arena exists because Hasbro noticed there's way more people willing to pay a couple hundred for all the cards in a Standard enviroment than pay $400 for a single deck that may become obsolete in 3 months.

>>56309336
Think about who wons WotC again before even saying the first thing.

imagine if he just invested in btc instead

>>56310619
Robot uprising was his objective all along.

>>56232019
>two months on a good job.
you mean amazing job, most people are lucking to break $3000 a month

>>56315485
Hell a lot of people can't get past $1500 a month despite having real jobs.
Work has depreciated enormously this decade. Shit I used to charge $20k for easily now gets swiped by some pajeet for $50 and people don't give a shit about quality anymore.

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>>56231624

Good. Maybe someday brainlets will stop "investing" in children's toys and start failing at real economics instead.

>>56307690
>Inflation is good for the economy
Only about 1-3% inflation per year is good for the economy

>>56306831
The Invisible Hand seem to be wrapped around your dick

>>56307041
Hey Bozo, 4-color mass-printed material is worth giant money. Ever heard of posters? They're worth huge money. There are 19,200 Beta Black Lotus. There are millions of Magic players. All these players wish to own a Black Lotus to varying degrees. I'd rather own one than owning some 1910-era suffragette poster worth the same amount. Way more people want Black Lotus than they want USA-produced posters exhorting the rights of women to vote.

>>56306685
>the day the secondary market dies is the day the physical card game dies.
Saying you hate speculators is not the same as saying "nobody should be allowed to sell their cards."

I draft a lot and recoup some of my costs by selling off singles I don't want to people who want them. That's a healthy use of the secondary market. I don't try to guess what upcoming card is going to be in high demand and buy it up to artificially inflate the price.

>>56311712
That's why I said it was a really bad example. Maybe a long time ago it could have been possible but not since wizro

>>56317222
Damn you sure got me chad investor, I'm sorry