Would Jokearo alter/improve a mans cybernetics if he was asleep?

>>56947494
By 999M41 how extensive is the Space Wolves grey area legality navy?

>>56948883
What is this about? I don't remember it and a refresher would be nice.

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>>56950180
It started with Russ and his using Fenris as a blacksite for his experiments in fixing the Canis Helix to make a viable new generation of Dog Soldiers.

He eventually succeeded but with the splice keyed only for native Fenrisian genetic markers. He couldn't export it to other worlds.

His answer was to make more Fenrisians. To this end Fenris went from Iron Age Viking to a pagan Swedish Empire with agricultural reforms, an imposed peace between the tribes, technological uplift to the point where they had Kalashnikov equivalents, global maps with carefully marked borders for everyone and the framework for inter-tribal negotiation rather than constant border wars.

Fenrisian population jumps up in a few generations. Surge in Space Wolf recruitment follows.

Fenris is a shit world and everyone knows it not least of all the Fenrisians. There is a very severe population cap that was run into by one of the early High Kings; lets call him Fáfnir the Executioner, successor of Bjorn Fellhanded, because why the fuck not.

To overcome this problem Fáfnir claims settlement rites on a bunch of borderline uninhabitable ice balls. Being of such low value the Imperium agrees. Fenrisian colony worlds are founded. The colonists regard the worlds as less shit than Fenris because although the weather is painful there aren't any trolls, krakans or other lethal wildlife.

Fenrisian population grows again. Space Wolf descendant/breakaway chapters form on the colonies and thrive.

To bring in a bit of extra cash the Space Wolves and runty spawn start hiring themselves out as bodyguards to the navigator houses. Buy ships with the cash.

Start forming a navy to patrol the lanes between their kindred worlds and patrol nearby space. Also when they capture traitor ships in battle they sometimes keep the best ones for themselves.

This has been going on for ~10,000 years. There are Fenrisian colonies across most of the galactic disc by now though spread very thinly.

DId anyone save that bit of write faggatory about Shadowsun? I can't find it on the 1d4chan

>>56947494
>a relatively light fan rewrite of the Warhammer 40,000 universe, with a generous helping of competence and common sense.
From the writers or within the setting?

>>56951929
If it's not there I can try to track it down in the archives.

>>56950639
I guess it depends then. How big is Ultramar or the Interex's fleet? I imagine Fenris' unofficial fleet would be less than a tenth of that because they aren't an established (or official) power and aren't as rich, but probably nothing to sneeze at either.

>>56951943
Yes.

Here's that write-up on the big Ork empires. It could use some fleshing out.

Contrary to popular belief, when the Beast was slain on Old Earth, the remainder of the Orkish army did not miraculously disperse into a puff of spore and WAAAGH!-flavored smoke. True, the Orks were thrown into disarray at the loss of their leader, but Orks are more used to radical changes in leadership than humans, and there were still plenty of Orks on Old Earth. Once the Orks were driven from the Sol System, the long and costly Reclamation of Old Earth began. Any spot on which an ork has shed blood is guaranteed to produce more Orks, unless the body is burned or more drastic measures are taken. However, this was Old Earth, the cradle of humanity, and its stubborn people would (literally) move mountains in order to ensure their planet was Ork-free. The intensity of the campaign to ensure that the planet was never Orkiformed was nearly as destructive to Old Earth’s ecosystem as the wrought by the forces of the Beast themselves.

The threat of the Beast’s hordes extended far beyond the Sol system. Through violence, cunning, brutality, promises of a good fight, and copious use of Chaos-sponsored Warp portals to cut down on travel time, the Beast had managed to suborn every major Warboss and unite virtually all WAAAGH!s worth noting in the Milky Way in little more than six standard years. It is estimated that at the time of the War of the Beast, nearly eighty percent of the Ork population was under Urlakk Urg’s control in some fashion. Upon hearing news of the Beast’s death, many of the more ambitious Warbosses attempted to break off and form WAAAGH! of their own, rather than follow “that Urlakk git’s” orders. Some of these Warbosses were more successful than others.

>>56953097
The most successful were the Arch-Arsonist of Charadon, the Overfiend of Octarius, and the Arch-Mangler of Mork. These three Warbosses carved out massive areas of space, forming the basis for what would become the modern Octarius, Charadon, and Bork sectors. The Octarius, Charadon, and Bork sectors are less sectors in the traditional Imperial sense, and more designations for the massive amounts of space that these three Orkish empires control. Although many later Ork enclaves have sprung up due to the increasingly strained nature of Imperial resources, these three empires can trace their roots all the way back to the War of the Beast. The Arch-Arsonist, Overfiend, and Arch-Mangler are even still around, after a fashion, even though the original Orks that carved out these dominions are now long dead. The identity of these rulers has changed regularly, as is typical of a kratocracy, but each Ork that takes control of each of these empires takes on the identity and in some cases the mannerisms of the previous rulers, even adopting the oversized gorget that has become a symbol of Ork power since it was used by Urlakk Urg during the War of the Beast. Sometimes by chance a Chaos Ork has even risen to the throne. Of course, these Chaos Orks typically fail in their goal to convert these empires to the worship of the Chaos Gods, and few stay in power for long, especially if they make the mistake of badmouthing the Gorkamorka.

>>56953115
The Imperium was unable to do much to stop these Warbosses at the time as they were still recovering from the War of the Beast and were still trying to scrape together a semblance of an empire in their own space. By the time the Imperium had recovered enough to retaliate, the Orks had already dug in too deep to effectively without a massive waste of manpower and materiel. Even during the Imperial Reconquista, when several smaller Orkish empires were crushed underfoot by Machairius and his forces, these three managed to stubbornly resist any efforts at conquest. Furthermore, as much as the Imperium is loath to admit it, the empires also serve a useful purpose in acting as buffer states against outside xenos threats, particularly Charadon which shares a border with the Necron Star Empire.

That is not to say the Imperium is content to sit and do nothing. The Imperium knows full well what happens when one leaves Orks to their own devices, as seen by the Empires on Gorro and Ullanor during the Great Crusade. The Imperium regularly sends assassins into Ork-held territories, especially the Empires of Octarius, Charadon, and Bork, in order to take out any kunnin’ or charismatic Warboss in the hopes of keeping an Ork like the Beast from ever arising again. Chaos appears to have a similar idea, sending their own assassins after any promising warboss, in order to keep the Orks stupid and easily manipulated. Unfortunately, this means that the few Orks who do survive this gauntlet of assassins tend to be the smartest and most kunnin’ of the lot, meaning that all this action may have done is lower the threshold for Brain Boyz to emerge.

Leman Russ Tank, Shadowsun Story, that last Inquisitorial Report, and Yarrick all up on 1d4chan. Also put what we had on Pluto on the Notes page.

The pictures off the tanks still need to go up, but I am not sure how to do that.

Am I missing anything?

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>>56953128
It is good and well written.

>>56953458
Thank you. Tomorrow for me it is a half day at work. Time permitting I will try and remember how to put pics up.

I will also try and get some writing of my own done. Assuming I'm not at the level of exhaustion.

Should we call them Ork Empires or Ork Dominions, to distinguish them from more organized states like the Tau. The Orks haven't had a unified infrastructure since Gorro, Ullanor, and the WotB, though I imagine the Brain Boyz might have changed that in the last couple of millenia.

Bump

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Kind of another loose idea for squat trains, to explain why the squats have them and where they came from.

Not all planets are so lucky as to have a breathable atmosphere, tolerable levels of radiation, and stable tectonic activity. The people of the Hubworld League near the galactic core know that better than most, many of their worlds being near the galactic core and therefore under constant upheaval from tidal flexing in the gravitational pull of a gas giant, pulsar, or the core of the Milky Way itself. On many worlds, it is not even possible to build the traditional bunker-like fortresses favored by Hubworld architects. Instead, the primary form of squat habitation is in the form of Land Trains.

Land trains were originally developed on less hostile worlds, designed as caravans to bring raw ore and other goods between major settlements. However, on less stable worlds, land trains have been refitted to become settlements in and of themselves, ballooning in size to encompass populations of entire cities. These types of trains are typically found on less tectonically stable worlds and often contain large amounts of mining equipment, allowing Hubworlders to mine the ores that drive their civilization while still being able to move out of the way of newly formed fissures and tectonic rifts.

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>>56958113
Many who see Hubworlder land trains draw parallels with trains on other worlds. The comparison is better in some ways than others. A better comparison might be an armored trade caravan, albeit one with treads and an ability to mine its own raw materials. Hubworlder land trains are formed by linked cars, but they do not follow tracks. After all, on these worlds sedentary or semi-permanent structures are a death sentence. Instead, land trains have treads, allowing them to climb even on highly angled surfaces.

As with almost every piece of technology they developed, the Hubworlders soon found that it was easy to repurpose their caravans for war. Armored sides designed to shrug off micrometeorite impacts and stellar radiation are equally well suited to deflect enemy fire. And the large size of the trains makes them ideal not only for troop housing and transport, but supporting truly massive weaponry, potentially making them armored juggernauts when used correctly.

Was tempted to suggest the trains run on kind of a regenerating rail system like in Girl Genius (rails are laid out by the engine and reabsorbed by the caboose by nanomachines [son]), but thought that might be too over the top. Especially for the squats.

>>56955118
Dominion was the name of the Dark Age human Galactic nation.

I swear I'm working on some writefaggatory

>>56958123
It's good and suits the feel of the hubworlders perfectly.

If anything I'm reminded of this

http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Crawler_(CivBE)

but a line of them strung end to end.

What would hubworlder psykery be like?

>>56961661
Do Hubworlders even have psychics? Do abhumans have psychics (yes, Hubworlders aren't abhuman, but still)? I know that Ogyrn do, but none of the others have been touched on.

I assume if the Hubworlders are basically baseline humans, they would have psykers.

>>56958123
>A better comparison might be an armored trade caravan, albeit one with treads and an ability to mine its own raw materials. Hubworlder land trains are formed by linked cars, but they do not follow tracks.
Reminds me of the Wagon Trains of Patrick Tilley's Amtrak Wars books. Good.

>>56960372
As long as Hubworlder worlds don't have any giant earthworms.

Oh who are we kidding this is 40k, some probably do.

>>56963642
It seems that even the Survivor Civs send their psychic to the Black Ships.

Hubworlders might not out of stubbornness and pride. If they do not then they would train them in the manner that they do anything. Meticulous, methodical and by the book in the proven to work manner and heavily focused on defense.

>>56966316
Or just give them the bare minimum needed for daemons to not eat them and that's it. Any references to squat psykers in canon?

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>>56967008
Given that in Vanilla the squats have sweet fuck all fluff the answer is no.

>>56964820
40k borrowed very heavily from Dune. So it can be considered a certainty that someone somewhere is surfing a worm.

Also keep in mind that pic related is a typical hubworlder. They are four and a half foot of bone and muscle who stand at rest by leaning on their knuckles. It's easy to see why people think of them as ab-humans.

>>56967843
What? When did this happen? When did squats become gorillas? I was under the impression they were short, but heavily built people due to the high gravity of their worlds. Five feet tall and three feet wide.

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>>56947494
Is there anything based around the Ottoman empire?

>>56968636
In canon there are the Maccabean Janissaries, but I'm not sure if they are specifically Ottoman flavored.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Maccabian_Janissaries

In an earlier thread we were actually bemoaning the lack of canonical Middle Eastern inspired worlds beyond Tallarn as a general Middle East World (and of course the numerous Space Egypts and technically Colchis).

Bump.

>>56967008
>>56967843
Looking it up squats in canon are said to have psykers in the form of Living Ancestors, squats that live for 300+ years and thus become psychic (mostly precogntive).

How that could be fit in with the socialist space cowboys who are essentially baseline humans in high gravity is unclear. Especially since the psyker rate should be about the same.

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>>56953458
I have a cleaned-up version of the Leman Russ tank with infantry here if you want to use that. The color pics I used with the write-up were pulled off of the WH40K wikia.

Also, uploading a picture seems to be a matter of going to "Upload File" in the sidebar of 1d4chan, making sure you give it a name, and linking to it later on the wiki page with something like "[[Image:Nobledark_Leman_Russ.png|thumb|A Mk. XXIV tank, with one of its crew and an Eldar Guardian standing by its side.]]". 1d4chan's "Help:Editing" explains it better than I do.

>>56968218
It was something someone suggested many threads ago and nobody objected. It wasn't really pushed though so it can still be dropped.

>>56947494
>editiob

>>56968636
Orks.

How old should Legi be?

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>>56974140
She described her old job of waiting on tables as a lifetime ago but it seemed not too distant. So maybe ~100. Not everything has to be super ancient evil from beyond the dawn of time.

>>56971440
It would have to be changed in this AU. Squats have universal longevity treatments but they don't let you live much past 220.

It was said in the fluff that they had pre-Strife agreements with the eldar. So that means that there was some prior contact. Maybe the fashion for future seeing came from them, also runes for psychic shenanigans.

>>56967843
>>56968218
I think that the idea was to distance them from the Dwarf Shortstack fapbait and have something that looked short, stooped but powerful and derived from human.

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Is anyone going to be taking on and having another go at the Dorn fluff?

>>56972597
>>56974765
I remember the threads involving squats and the only time I remember that picture coming up was just as a picture, not supposed to be what Hubworlders actually look like. The abhuman thing was in part revenge by the AdMech because the Hubworlders wouldn't do what they want.

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>>56976742
So we got short stacks in SPAAAAACE!!!

How "normal" should they look? We sticking with this?

>>56975696
Doesn’t look like it. If you’re interested go for it.

>>56977054
>short stacks in SPAAAAACE!!!

Keep in mind that the woman would be as brawny as the men. Less short stacked and more short and muscular

>>56974765
It would also lead to the interesting implication of her just starting to realize she's going to live a lot longer than a normal human without rejuvenants. We said humans with rejuvenants can live about a thousand years "on average" with massive fluctuations due to compatibility, but how long do "normal" humans live.

Even without rejuvenants, I would assume there would be some increase in quality of life due to other medical technology (even if 99% of it is lost). Like living to 90 but physical damage due to aging is reduced.

>>56978681
Maybe female Hubworlders have a tradition of wearing their hair in short-cut masculine styles. In universe because short-hair is less likely to get caught in hardsuit seals or machinery, Out of universe to pay homage to the idea of female dwarves looking masculine

>>56979321
I thought it was 1,000 years upper realistic possibility. Not including temporal distortions caused by lots of travel.

What were Dorns actions in the Great Crusade/WoTB?

Have we nailed any down?

>>56979610
That's with rejuvenant drugs. Typically not available to the average pleb or if available only the lowest grade stuff. Cain's Alfred (seriously, does this guy have a name) is a veteran of 4th Armageddon War and can only just afford the most basic stuff.

>>56982235
There has been no name suggested yet.

As no name is suggested I'm going to suggest Edmond Aldsworth for the simple reason that it's equally as British as Alfred Pennyworth was feels the same.

He would have been an orphan if he started his career as a stormtrooper from the Schola Progenium. It's possible that he was named by his biological parent's but if he was orphaned early enough then it's equally as likely that his name was arrived at by an administrator picking at random.

>>56975696
>>56978328
Last news from the latest Dorn writer was they hit a roadblock and couldn't get any further.

>>56980621
The only thing so far is Dorn being on the battlements of Old Earth during the Siege of Terra and Perty's messenger delivering the chess piece to him. Nothing about the actual battle.

He smacked the Tarellians around until they agreed to a white peace after one Tarellian warlord attacked the Imperium leading to the collapse of the first Confederacy and teamed up with Perty in building Fortresses, Dorn being one of the few who got along with Perturabo.

>>56983929
Sounds like a good name.

Bump

Leman Russ stuff going up on FF.net when I have the time and energy to get it done. I also found some very incomplete old Nobledark Tyranid stuff I was working on, here's the first snippet:

“The Tyranids are undoubtedly one of the greatest threats the Imperium has ever faced, all-consuming in its hunger and insidious in its method of infiltration. I do not care. This Hive Fleet will burn like the rest.” - Ordo Xenos Inquisitor Kryptmann

The rain fell without pause on the vast expanses of the city, one of many like it in the Calixis Sector, sliding down the cream stone, black steel, and red brick of towering structures to splatter over gray boulevards and rooftops adorned with gold, copper, and silver. Smoke chugged out from a few chimneys, quickly twisted and turned and dissipated by the wind. The windows of tightly-packed spires and straggling lines of hovercraft and groundcars on elevated rockcrete roadways twinkled, streetlamps driving away the darkness of the night and illuminating the millions of umbrellas borne by the teeming masses of humanity who called this small Hive City home.

Tyranid action takes a little while to get to, but I'm sort of struggling with the tactics an Imperial Guard force would use against a Splinter Fleet to defend a Hive City(spoilers, not the one being described), and it ballooned like the Leman Russ tank writeup did on a much larger scale.

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>>56979321
Draco's escapades could be as much for her benefit as anything. A well contained but resentful and sad Legi is worse than a slightly mischievous and slightly free Legi.

Of course she will never be allowed to be really free. Not after she had children and the horror that resulted.

Random click pic

>>56985870
What do we know of his record so far?

>>56980621
the Fulgrim story mentions points of contact with his because Dorn was from age of strife canada and Fulgrim was from age of strife america

>>56989592
>Orphan
>Raised by the state for the good of the people
>Became Stormtrooper
>Recruited into the inquisition in the private retinue of an as of yet unknown inquisitor
>Presumably served them for some years in which time he got up to quite a lot of crazy levels of shit. Hunting Dark Eldar slavers not least or greatest among his stories
>4th Great War for Armageddon starts and he's there for it in Hive Hades. So either he was there on Inquisitorial business or he had since transferred to the IG/PDF. As Yarrick would have commented on an Inquisitorial presence the inquisitorial business would have had to have been clandestine or absent. Reason for leaving the Inquisition unknown.
>Deployed into the storm drains, sewers and other underground and half forgotten dark places beneath the Hive as part of hunting down the Kommando infiltrations.
>Was down there for four years longer than the war officially ran for because people either forgot about him or assumed he was dead.
>Spent the entire time in the dark hunting green monsters
>Emerges only after substantial injuries. Drags himself to the surface for treatment.
>Receives some grade of Rejuvenents for his exemplary service above and beyond and beyond and beyond the calls of duty. As he was already approaching middle years by the time he received them they were not super effective but did return some of his lost vitality.
>Serves in the Steel Legion PDF for years longer
>Gets too old. Doesn't want to retire.
>Imperium assigns him to be attaché to the Imperium's ambassador to Beil-tan on the basis that he has the correct demeanour and the Beil-tan elder will respect a decorated war hero.
>Eventually Cain becomes Ambassador
>And here we are in the final days of 999M41.

>>56988480
>Leman Russ stuff going up on FF.net
link plz

IS Ork edible?

Would the Armageddon Outriders have been eating the slain orks?

>>56988480
The Leman Russ stuff is also on 1d4chan too. You could always just make edits to that.

>>56993358
Ork is definitely edible in canon. It's said that Ork, or at least Squig, tastes like ham with the consistency of chicken (and maybe a hint of mushroom sauce). Several worlds in the Imperium sell squig as a delicacy as mystery meat or exotic goods, because although people love it the sellers are afraid everyone will walk away in disgust if they find out what it is.

>>56994738
That makes sense. The orks were designed to be part of a larger army so it makrs sense that their food could be shared.

>>56995658
Plus they were designed to fight Necrons. Tyranids have cysts and toxins out the wazoo to deny native consumers any biomass and to help in tyranoforming the world if they fall, a la Pacific Rim. Necrons don't eat, so all toxins would do is use energy better spent on fightin' and growin'.

Ork flesh would have spores, but the human body (and presumably other species) have a pretty nasty immune and digestive system that would tear apart any residual spores. Humans eat mushrooms all the time and any ill effects are caused by poisons, not spores.

There are squigs with acid or poison, but those are more the exception than the rule.

By 999M41 are there any non-Imperium, non-Chaos humans left or have they all been absorbed or killed off?

bump

>>56990362
How should he be connected to Inwit?

Should he be?

>>56997566
It was suggested in a previous thread the Olamic Quietude survived to M41.

The Olamic Quietude are a human civilization that survived the Age of Strife by either uploading their minds into cybernetic bodies or being basically a brain-in-a-jar from birth. In canon, they were violently opposed to the Imperium and saw them as mockeries of humanity. They were also much, much more technologically advanced than the Imperium.

The idea was that here the Quietude survived by uploading their minds and see themselves as the true inheritors of DaoT humanity and therefore have the right to rule over all their inferior kin. The Imperium took exception to that, but the Quietude's technology was too advanced to crush them without an absolute bloodbath. The Imperium could always drown them in bodies but the cost to take the few worlds the Quietude occupy is too high.

So the two have adopted a standoff cold war policy and the Quietude have become A.I. Space North Korea. Quietude ships in Imperial space are shot on sight as well as vice versa. The Quietude remain a rock of independence even into M41. Problem is they don't have the AdMech's prohibitions on inventing so their technology does improve, and it's getting to the point where they're going to have to be dealt with.

There are probably a bunch of other independent human civilizations but they are largely ones that have not been found yet.

>>57001520
I think the stuff on the Notes page mentioned Inwit, though I'm not sure.

>>56992018
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12346611/2/The-War-For-Heaven-Short-Stories
First chapter is the ancient "War For Heaven" story. Second (link) is the Leman Russ stuff.
>>56993394
Will probably make the changes directly to 1d4chan once I get around to making an account.

>>56997566
The Severan Dominate is still a thing in 999.M41 in this AU, isn't it? Although how long they'll survive is debatable, they are resistant to an Imperial return to power in the region.

>>57002527
You don't need an account, if you don't mind your IP address being visible.

The Dominate are around, but they're a secessionist group from the Imperium. They were originally Imperial. I think someone floated the ballpark that roughly 1% of all systems have some sort of secessionist movement going, though how much support it has varies.

Bamp

>>57002527
how big is the Dominate?

>>57002487
Olamic Quietude

After reading a bit on them they look good as a potential local antagonist. Could have it where back in the day, after they vivisected the ambasadorial team, Russ and Bjorn wanted to rain nuclear fire on them from orbit, smash their ships and pitch them into the nearest gravity well, topple their orbital dockyard and drop it on the capital city and hunt them down to the last man, taking any sufficiently unaugmentd women as war-brides and adopting any children and dependents. Yes he promiced after the Souring of Skand Wars that he and his people would never do this shit again and the tradition would be retired but he felt the Old Ways could be brought out again just for this one special occasion.

Russ was quite angry. They had insulted the Imperium, they had insulted his Legion and he had friends in the contact team and he knows that they died badly.

In the end the Steward managed to calm him down enough to call him off and the Olamic Quietude dodged a bullet. The Imperium would have won, in time, but the cost would have been astronomical. Also although they had warp capability they weren't expansionist and didn't extend beyond the dozen or so nearest worlds to their frozen homeworld. They were, and would continue to be, a problem for later. Thankfully they got just as fucked over by The Beast as the Imperium did and as such were in not position to take advantage of the weakened state.

The Olamics believed intitially that the Imperium would implode. They weren't the first big interstellar empire that had arisen around them. All the others had died, this one would to. By the time it looked like they were here to stay it was far too late for the Quietude to be able to do anything about it and claim what they saw as their birthrite.

Skip forwards 10,000 years and the Olamic Quietude, seeing the strains on an overtaxed and attack on all sides Imperium, are getting their war boner back on.

>>57007158
They have taken the ancient listening posts on the worlds at the border, killing the crews and exterminating the service towns that grew up around them. They are very much preparing to take as the Imperium is distracted elsewhere. Their fleets are assembled, their soldiery constructed and trained and they are going to methocically and meticulously take and settle and turn to war world after world untill they take Old Earth. What will life be like under the Olamic Quietude? Nobody will ever find out. They don't leave survivors. Baseline humans and any human not of their realm is seen as some sort of primitive lesser animal. They have made so far no distinction beyond civilian or soldier, adult or child.

Ljot's Landing is an inhabited world not very far from the Olamic Quietude exclusion zone. Very similar to Olamic in that it's a half frozen semi-wasteland. And it is a Fenrisian Colony, with a chapter of it's very own. The call has been put out. The Valkyries are rising, the Wolves are awkening and Bjorn is at long last going to be allowed to settle the long, long held and unfulfuilled grudge.

That is what I put it that most of the Fenrisian Colony Worlds and the Fenrisian "totally not a" Navy are busy with in the final days of M41. They are at war with the Olamic Quietude.

>>57006090
I would say not to big. Ultramar consists of ~350 worlds and is the largest survivor civ (possibly second to the Hubworlders).

If the Severan Dominate were that big then it would detract from the "little fish has no fucking idea how big the pod is" feel to them. 50 at most Iw ould suggest. Enough for them to feel grand and mighty, small enough for them to really not be.

I'm doing some edits to whatever writefaggotry I can get my hands on, any pages or blurbs that need some urgent cleaning up?

>>57009009
practically everything I touched or had a hand in. Holy fuck I can't write for shit.

>>57009017
will take a look, could yougive me a link to some of your stuff? primarchfag turned up nothing on the wiki

>>57009054
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Primarchs#Vulkan

It felt clunkey when I was writing it way back when but I dnon't have skill to fix it.

>>57009086
I'll be honest, I'd cut the whole Afrique-League conflict, and shorten the pivotal raid. The first is irrelevant to Vulkan's story, and the second is given more "screentime" than other, more impressive achievements.

>>57009371
I will admit I went on a bit too far with the introduction. My intent was to explain why the map was as it was, why they Afrique-League was so enthusiastic in Ursh kicking and why Vulkan was racist against eldar.

>>57007590
It could be a good. Sadist Nazi Borg vs Space Viking.

>>57009763
>>57009371
I'd say that it needs to be kept but not so prominent. Or it could be because the story seems to be truncated and stunted after that.

How many Fenrisian Colonies are there and do they all have Chapters?

>>57012832
Isn't there a number on 1d4chan? I think it's less than 30. I think we mentioned somewhere whether they have their own chapters or not. I know that Fenris is the sole dominion of the Vlka Fenrika but other Canis Helix chapters do exist.

>>57014062
Do we have any names for these other chapters?

Also what do Fenrisians call their own religion? Everyone else refers to it as Fenrisian Paganism but that's probably not their name for it.

>>57010677
Actually, the way you phrased that makes it even better, it conjured up images of 'nordic' obsessed wankers being clobbered by actual Vikings, and the equivalent post human Astartes and Vlka Fenika demonstrating the superiority of Imperial post humans over Olamic attempts.

>>57015560
On a related note, I'd suggest that the names the Vlka Fenrika use for their military ranks (Jarls, Thanes, etc.) are much more widely known throughout the Imperium. In canon no one outside of Fenris knows the actual names for the military titles because they see Fenrisians as a bunch of hick barbarians and the Fenrisian-to-Gothic translator did things notably half-assed. With Russ

>>57009371
>>57009763
>>57011587
To be honest, I actually liked all the stuff on the Afrique League. It gave a feel for their culture and made Vulkan's duel with the Dark Eldar badass. I think >>57011587 has the pulse of things, what we really need is to expand the parts about what happened after Vulkan joined the Great Crusade and the War of the Beast.

Weren't the Salamanders the ones that took out that relict crazy Iron Mind below the Caucasus in canon?

>>57008663
The Dominate has at least ten in canon. I agree that < 50 sounds likea good idea.

>>57018023
Ignore how the previous one cuts out, this is what I meant to say...

On a related note, I'd suggest that the names the Vlka Fenrika use for their military ranks (Jarls, Thanes, etc.) are much more widely known throughout the Imperium. In canon no one outside of Fenris knows the actual names for the military titles because they see Fenrisians as a bunch of hick barbarians and the Fenrisian-to-Gothic translator did things notably half-assed. With Russ being from Earth and therefore much more involved in things as well as Fenrisian Colonies being spread out all over the place, it makes it more likely that people would know of the Fenrisian terms (plus Russ would likely kick the ass of anyone demeaning his warriors by calling them wolfywolf wolfs, especially given the connotations of that phrase given what happened on Fenris).

>>57018023
>Weren't the Salamanders the ones that took out that relict crazy Iron Mind below the Caucasus in canon?
Well that needs some sort of accounting for. I could actually see that thing as a longtime Terrawatt nemesis due to the technological heritage, if we decide to include it. Its defeat would also be an absolutely massive proving of the Promethean creed in the eyes of the early Imperium, and earn Vulcan the towering stature necessary to get away with his subsequent rebukes of the Imperium's most prominent foreign ally.

>>57018951
Reading over the entry in Lexicanum, the A.I. was doing something with the Ethnarch of the Caucasus Wastes, either surrepitously aiding them with tech or something.

Also, take a look at where the Caucasus was sitting relative to Terrawatt. Terrawatt was sitting on a ticking time bomb and they didn't know it.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Assault_of_the_Tempest_Galleries

>>57020252
I concur with this statement. In addition, this event could practically be imported without almost any changes into the AU, considering how the Salamanders go in with the best technology available at the time, engage in battle against impossible odds against a superior force that just won't stop coming, and survives to shut down the power to the Ethnarch's network of defenses through sheer grit, competence, and stubborn refusal to give up and die.

If we do import it, however, are the Salamanders who participate Thunder Warriors or early-mark Astartes? And how does the Emperor even find out that it's a target worth attacking?

>>57021146
The "concur" part was over >>57018951's statement that this event might need accounting for. Also, how much of a part does Vulkan play in this, if at all?

>>57021146
The force that takes down the AI wouldn't be "Salamanders" in any sense, as the Legions hadn't been formed or even conceived of at that point since they were not based on Primarch geneseed like in canon, only formed when the Great Crusade started. If we want Vulkan to lead this attack then this would have to happen during the Late Unification, as Vulkan was one of the youngest Primarchs and was part of the group that got the prototype Mark III S enhancements. (This is also how he got his absurd strength and durability; during the enhancements his muscle growth went out of control, and while the gene-smiths considered it a defect because he was less quick and agile, the freakish strength and toughness it granted actually suited Vulkan's style better).

>>57018064
I think we are trying to keep the Space Wolves as far away from wolf wolfing wolf wolves as possible.

>>57009009
Are you relatively new to the thread? If so, I’d be curious to know what your initial impressions of the AU/the writing were, like where the quality was uneven, what was done well, what needs expanding/cutting, etc. I imagine at the moment it’s a bit opaque for someone new as the wiki pages may be tough to navigate and some accepted “canon” hasn’t been written up and thus only exists in the threads.

At what point does Vulkan get married?

Bump

>>57021442
I was thinking Vulcan's ridiculous durability came more from being a huge dude and his natural stubborn will than anything else. The other two Mark III S primarchs, Sanguinius and Lion, were both sword users. Vulkan preferred sledgehammers or warhammers, which lends to a different fighting style and a more bulky phisique. And he wasn't a small guy to begin with.

>>57025333
True, but the enhancements make everyone a huge dude and Vulkan’s way outside the bound of the normal variances, so I figured it might be more compelling to have a reason he’s legendarily tough other than being sooper special.

It could be that the gene-smiths weren't ever sure what if anything went wrong with Vulkan.

He was observed to be notably stronger than other Mk3S soldiers, never seemed to run out of stamina and shrugged off injuries that should have killed him quite often. Hence getting the nickname The Perpetual Promethean; fucker just wouldn't stop.

He was also observed to have a lower top running speed than other Marines and his reflexes left a lot to be desired.

Due to not being able to duplicate the good points of the deviation reliably measures were taken to fix the faults.

It was suggested that Vulkan had a wife (possibly more over his ridiculously long life) and children. Who and what should they be like?

Also was there ever a defining moment when he accepted that there were some eldar that weren't complete bastards?

>>57028410
Jain Zar chewed him out over saying she was a credit to her species and compared her to the "other" eldar. He found out from her in private that her family had been attacked (and in her case, killed) by Dark Eldar raiders too and found a sort of detente.

Vulkan's views eventually shifted long term from "all Eldar are assholes" to the more benign but at the same time more condescending "have you tried not being a hedonist?" He saw the eldar as natural hedonists that needed "extra help" to escape from their sinful ways.

>>57028410
Towards the end of his life Vulkan was probably like that one grandpa/uncle that you see during the holidays who is unintentionally racist because he was raised that way but honestly means well. You just try to avoid inviting him over when there’s polite company so he doesn’t put his foot in his mouth.

The War of the Beast probably did a lot to convince him that “there are some good ones,” and another couple of millennia fighting alongside the Eldar surely ingrained some rough if begrudging respect for them in him. Having just one moment change an entire childhood of trauma and adult life of hate seems a bit too trite.

>>57029592
Yeah, >>57029550 would be more the moment where he really started to toy with the concept that the Eldar weren't all bad. It would probably be much later and through a lot more fighting alongside the Eldar that the begrudging respect would extend more widely. If anything, he'd peg Jain Zar as an exception at first.

Another thing to consider about why Vulkan was respected is that for all his racism towards Eldar, he was genuinely nice to humans of just about any nation or planet. He, Lorgar, and to a lesser extent Sanguinius were the guys you just couldn't help but like, and he wasn't as vocal about religion as Lorgar and to an outsider seemingly much more approachable than the paladin Sanguinius. He was a big, jovial fellow who you'd want to have a beer with, something that worked great for diplomacy during the Great Crusade.

>>57030674
Would he ever have had to go to a craftworld on a state visit? It would be inadvisable in the extreme but it could still happen.

>>57007590
Fanris has no navy.

It has a merchant fleet. The merchant fleet cargo ships have guns on them and are escorted by some small warships as pirate deterrents.

Some of the cargo ships have quite big guns on them. When asked why they said it was for big pirates.

They absolutely do not have a navy. Nope. No space viking fleet here at all.

>>57031151
Probably not. He probably would not have wanted to go and the Steward would have probably not forced him to go in hopes of avoiding a diplomatic incident.

Bumpity bump.

Thread archived on 1d4chan.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/56947494/

While we're on the topic of Great Crusade-era battles, did the Ultramarines fight the Osiran Psybrids in this era?

In canon they were an extremely powerful psychic species first encountered before the XIIIth legion made contact with its Primarch, and inflicted heavy casualties in the first battle and the vengeful follow-up by the Ultramarines a while later. They operated in a manner similar to the Slaughth, subverting human populations and fomenting rebellion and violence from behind the scenes and using them like expendable tools.

>>57035405
They would have been either exterminated or made safe some how.

Could have been one of the times Sisters of Silence were deployed alongside the normal army. Smug Krole would have been Smug.

bump, because I love how this thing is still ongoing

>>57035614
They would have definitely been wiped out. Steward had barely any tolerance for xenos that preyed on humans like the Psybrids or the Nephilem. Only reason Tarellians are still around is it was one shithead governor who got greedy and went running to his friends and the Tarellians are "human" enough that the Imperium could reasomably diplomate a peace with them. Even that ended up breaking the original Confederacy.

>>57038388
Yeah, I thinks it’s worth reiterating that while the Emps is a good dude, he is not a necessarily a nice dude at times. If you fuck with humanity/the Imperium he will wreck your shit, whether you’re xenos or butthurt Assassins.

>>57038388
Would he have sanctioned the killing of their children? Or was it that they were born dangerous like orks?

I think that we need to hammer out the feel of the Prometheus Creed.

>>57041434
Well so far we’ve mentioned it’s somewhere between Ethiopian cristianity (the sect with its own subterranean Ethiopian Jerusalem), Protestantism, and industrial scale fire worship.

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>>57041434
>>57042172
Here's a suggestion: The Promethean Creed sees God as a literal craftsman rather than an ambiguous creator, kind of like Deism and the "watchmaker analogy".

When God created the life the first thing they did was tear off a part of themself. No, wait, come back, it gets better!

God then took those bits of themself to give life to the non-living in the form of "divine fire". Every living thing, as children of God, has a bit of the "divine fire" in them. Being a good person, loving thy neighbor, and being excellent to each other makes the fire grow. Being cold-hearted or evil makes the fire dim. The fire cannot be completely extinguished while someone is still alive, but it can be reduced to embers. If someone whose heart is embers dies, it takes a bit of divine fire with them.

Hence the veneration of fire, as well as how a post-Age of Strife society would interpret the big picture given the science that came before (e.g., life requires energy, etc.) and why many of the Promethean Creed (Hubworlders, Nocturne) put a high emphasis on craftsmanship.

>>57040811
I think he would have probably gone full Palpatine at that point. In his mind it's gone from being a question of xenocide to a matter of survival where only one left standing, especially in the case of species that needed to feed on someone to survive, like the Nephilem or the Slaugth.

Note that the Steward would have wiped out human populations as well if they were completely incapable of integrating with the Imperium (read: corrupted by Chaos or something similar). Sarosh got vortex torpedoed. He was willing to tolerate a surprising degree of heterodoxy compared to canon (see Interex, with their robotics and xenos vassals), especially since he didn't put the baseline human form on a pedestal and the tech prohibitions mostly came from the AdMech, not him. His goal was to reunite humanity against the darkness. If someone refused to play nice and piss in the pool it was their funeral.

A thought just occurred? Why do the Astartes still have some many similarities with knights when this Imperium isn’t an overtly feudal theocratic hellhole? It’s because the first nation to join the Imperium after Uralia and Skand was Franj-Europia, whose military was organized into pseudo-knightly orders (knights with Kalashnikovs, if I recall). The current structure of the Legions and Chapters is basically the Franj-Europia model writ large, and the Legions that didn’t follow the Europia-Franj model did so because their primarchs had their own method of warfare that was reflective of their own country’s culture.

The Vlka Fenryka followed the traditional Skandian method of warfare (plus they weren’t Astartes in the first place). The same goes for the Iron Hands and the Mechanicus.

Terra’s Children followed the Merikan tradition of small, highly-trained commando-like squads, though with Fulgrim’s influence they were more like classy diplomat commandos.

Gredbriton’s tactics seem to be based more on meatgrinder industrial-scale warfare than pseudo-feudalism, though Mortarion seems to have taken more influence from Franj-Europia than the others.

The Thousand Sons and their descendants operate as pinpoint strike specialists, just like known loner (at that time) Magnus the Red operated.

The Khan had the steppes and their hordes.

The Raven Guard’s tactics were based on Corax’s style of guerilla warfare and sabotage he learned in his revolt against Ursh.

And the Alpha Legion had their cell structure from A & O’s time working for [DATA EXPUNGED].

>>57043769
As for the other legions, the Nord Afrik Conclaves were an anarchic backwater when the Imperium came along (plus most were slaves), so they would not have much of a military tradition. They seems to have mostly followed the Franj-Europia model, though with a Roman/Spartan “band of brothers” attitude that likely derived from most of them being former slaves.

The Afrique League was completely gutted with little more than local militias left over when they joined, and Vulkan would have had to rebuild the military. Same with Macedonia, which was almost ground down to a last stand.

Sanguinius had to completely reform the Jemanic military to conform to the Warlord’s decree that the nobility’s sons had to serve in the military.

Lorgar had to figure out how to turn what started out as a civilian uprising into a standing army, and who would he turn to for that?

Same with Dorn and low-population Calbi, and Horus and the “primarily space-based” Void Wolves, though Dorn had his own military expertise and the Void Wolves had additional skills in boarding combat.

The Night Lords are a bit of a mystery, though if canon and the Carcharodons are anything to go by they also seem to have retained a cell-like structure that Kurze might have developed while hunting down the Urshii insurgents.

>>56947985
They'd probably do it out of boredom. And god only knows what it would do.

Does anyone have the story of the Rainbow Snake?

>>57044672
It's on the 1d4chan page under "Notable People". The story about the proto-Orks is "Innocence Lost" on the writing page.

>>57045043
thank you

>>57043377
I thought Hubworlders were Ancestor worship + Omnissiah?

Is it possible for me to obtain an Eldar GF in this new Nobledark Imperium? I mostly just want to cuddle and maybe hold hands with her...

>>57045723
I think it was mentioned Prometheanism was popular there because of the focus on unity and collective strength. That said from what it sounded like it seemed like it might be a recent phenomenon (though Prometheanism was mentioned to exist before the Age of Strife), and Hubworlder Prometheanism would be very different from mainstream Prometheanism (if nothing else than for the ancestor worship).

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Reformatted the bit about the grox mentioned in previous threads with a few additions.

https://pastebin.com/AB59X0kj

A few interesting tidbits that didn't make it in.
- Suggested that the Hive World Solomon is really THAT Solomon, and put in parallels to the Dallas area. Namely, a giant urban center that became a city in the first place due to livestock.
- The bit about pastoral worlders hating grox for is based on real life conflicts between cattle and sheep ranchers. Cattle ranchers hated sheep ranchers because sheep originally lived in harsher environments and would just strip the ground bare.
- Hard to describe grox without using Earth references, so wasn't really able to describe wild grox as reptilian grizzly bears meets razorbacks like the original text.

>>57045925
Fucking Heretical

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Been thinking a bit about the dimensions of Commorragh.

In canon Commorragh is described as two giant outpockets of the Webway forming two dyson spheres stacked one on top of each other, with a stolen sun (Ilmaea) providing the illumination.

Lets assume for a moment that each of these suns are the size of Sol (they probably aren't, for reasons listed below). That would mean the distance between the Ilmaea and the surface of Commorragh would be 1 AU, or 1.496x10^11 m. Using a simple equation to calculate the surface area of a sphere (4πr^2) and multiplying by two because there are two Ilmaea at any one time, this gives us an approximate surface area of 1.13x10^24 m^2.

Or, to put it in another way that doesn't involve a lot of zeros and makes us all feel silly, the surface area of Commorragh could be as large as 7.64 billion times the land surface area of Earth (2.22 billion times if you include the areas covered by water).

Holy shit.

However, there is good reason to think that this number might be off. Commorragh does not rotate, hence there is no daily fluctuation in temperature because the sun is never blocked by the planet. The surface of Commorragh essentially acts like a tidally locked surface, meaning the light can't be too intense or the Dark Eldar would all cook to death. And indeed this is backed up in canon, the light is said to be at perpetual twilight, what one would expect if the inhabitants are to neither freeze nor burn to death.

There are two ways to do this. Either force the star into a less bright red dwarf through SCIENCE (which might be implied in canon, the Ilmaea don't look like typical class G stars), or increase the distance from the star. Meaning Commorragh could potentially be larger.

>>57049997
Well, do we want it to be larger or smaller than Shaa-Dome? That's essentially the deciding factor as to which of those interpretations we go with. On one hand, the webway dominions have been set up to be the greater part of the Old Empire, and webway construction was the Eldar's answer to megastructures, but it also diminishes the presence and primacy of the Crone Eldar to have the shellworld capital of the former Eldar Empire so massively dwarfed by its nominally more dispersed counterpart. It would definitely reinforce the Dark Eldar contention that it is really they that best carry on the Old Empire, not the Crones, but I suppose the Crones would still have the massive warp spaces within the Shaa-Dome and elsewhere in the Eye of Terror to call their empire.

>>57050694
If the Dark Eldar are forcing the Ilmaea to go to red dwarf stage or beyond through Eldar super-science, the diameter of Commorragh could be much, much smaller than if they were using a star like the Sun. Gliese 581 supposedly has an estimated habitable zone of 0.1 AU, and I'm not even sure if that takes into account tidal locking or anything.

If the Dark Eldar were leeching off the star to power the city, that could lower the brightness even further and drop the distance even more.

If they are red dwarfs Commorragh could exist for a long, long time without any outside intervention (the Dark Eldar couldn't, but that's another story). Commorragh and the other Webway realms could have been built as the ultimate fallout shelter in addition to ports and extralegal domains. As long as the Webway remained intact, they could ride it out.

The only thing is in canon it's said the Dark Eldar steal the suns from their enemies, implying they do this quite often and have to replace the stars.

Alternatively, in this timeline, in order to make the numbers make sense, the Old Eldar Empire only stole suns twice. But oh what acts of theft they were, the ultimate war trophy and a punishment against a species they went up against in their long 65 million year history. Carefully regulated and managed to last eons, slowly expanding as Vect incorporates more realms to maintain its perfect size.

The reason Commorragh might be so shaky is the Old Eldar Empire never expected anyone to try such radically redecorating by absorbing satellite realms, so it's literally held together with the Old Empire equivalent of duct tape.

Also, if the Ilmaea were G class stars Shaa-Dome wouldn't be the problem. The inhabitable surface area of Commorragh would literally be greater than the inhabitable surface area of the Imperium (assuming a million or so planets in the latter).

>>57051142
There is also the possibility that they aren't stars and only look like they w and the two dyson spheres are smaller.

Or they are smaller and the suns are further away than conventional dimensions should allow, the Dark Eldar having imported additional distance.

Or due to people doing crazy shit like Black Hole in a box vast swathes of land are uninhabitable.

How often did Dark Eldar repent?