Please don't delete shit from the wiki.
Not everyone has to like every piece of lore, but just throwing tantrums like last thread and deleting a 20 000 word story is very childish.

Same with the fight over Celestial lore. It basically devolved into calling each side mary sue without merit and /d/ memes for some reason.

If you don't like a piece of lore rewrite it, or propose something better instead of criticizing one of the few remaining people who write lore while you don't.

I don't know, but I'd rather have mediocre writes who write lore in the project than 'genius' ones only critiquing others.

Again I propose this rule:
> if you wish to critique an added piece of lore you do so while also presenting a rewrite

>>74680781
Sounds good to me, though minor suggestions are fine and often appreciated.

>>74680781
The dom/sub gene bit that kicked off that nonsense was pure fetish and I fully support the disdain for it.

It would be better to have some of the peasants in the celestial empire to be descended from vat-grown clone workers. They look human on a superficial level but are largely identical bio-tech inside. The descendants are a mix of baseline humanity with the vat-clones. The end result is a population with a percentage of inordinately meek or conversely insubordinate people, some even have a form of biopolar disorder where they flip from flighty and meek to proud, resentful and nearly manic. It would help to tie in the scifi and further explain some of the constant internal strife within the celestial empire. Also the focus on "purity" since mingling with the commoners has the potential for a very real dynastic consequence.

There's no weird sub/dom undertones, no hidden faction mind controlling people. Just a little craziness injected into that area.

>>74680914
It was never a fetish thing and an anon later started it.
It's based of 'authority' from the series Burning Effect. In fact it's literally a copy of that. And that's not a hentai.

The people of the Uzataar Khanate are already descendants of vat-grown clones, we don't need 2 of those.

>>74680914
Wasn't the Celestial Empire described as having no internal strife? Going so far as not understanding the concept of civil war or even why local lords would fight each other?

I thought the idea of internal military conflict within a nation was foreign to them.

>>74680943
>The whole authority thing came of as fetish because it specifically called out the empress as being subject to the genetic domination. It was also called out as mary sue because some random guy with the right gene happened to be able to control the most powerful people in a nation through nothing more than a gene he was born with. No work or effort involved on the characters part, just born that way.

>>74680979
Just read through it and there is at least one major civil war. There are mentions of notable peaceful areas but there's no reason for some ethnic group within the empire to be a hybrid of bio-engineered workers and baseline humanity.

>>74680943
>The people of the Uzataar Khanate are already descendants of vat-grown clones
Says who? I saw a suggestion about it but no agreement on it.

>>74680943
>>74669126
>if he were to come to the imperial palace and to told her to kneel and hand over the Imperial throne she would do so and would be powerless to do otherwise
Not fetish? Ripping off someone else's work doesn't validate that contribution in any way. Two people making the same mistake doesn't magically make it correct.

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>>74681116
You do understand "kneel" here is meant as "kneel before your new Emperor" right? It's not "kneel for blowjob, because daddy said so"

> the whole problem is from the fact that the Empress is a woman if it was a guy it would be fine.

>>74681060
The K'elle'hans family has for generations on purpose interbred with the Celestial bloodline to be able to eventually press claim to the throne. That is Old lore.

How is that no effort? It's literally hundreds of years of dynastic politics and scheming finally coming trough fruition. To bad no one outside the imperial family knows about 'authority' including the K'elle'han.

>>74681155
You're either being disingenuous or retarded. The problem is, he, through only a circumstance of genetic lottery, is able to control people of power and influence. It takes no training or effort on his part. That is mary sue. The second issue is that it was introduced via an interaction with a member of the opposite sex which could easily be construed as at least partially sexual but definitely power play related. You can be as salty as you want, you can be as defensive as you like but thats the way it looks.

>>74681207
See >>74681197

I hate people like you who don't read lore and then act like a smartass.

>>74681217
Please O loremaster educate me and free me from my ignorance

>>74681231
> The Han of the K'elle'orde is trough matrianial ties one of the candidates for the next Emperor of the Celestial Empire and the two countries share a deep alliance.

Thread 2 lore

>>74681257
And whats your point? That doesn't change that this gene makes him able to control people within the empire. Thats still mary sue'ism. Special snowflake heroes are bred into existence all the fucking time in cheap low-effort fantasy writing and its just as cringe as any isekai cheat abiltiy.

>>74681371
If it was some magical or psychic technique that had to be earned that would be one thing. A family secret passed down and honed into usefulness is far more palatable than "I can control you because of circumstance, poor planning and lack of foresight HAHA!"

>>74681394
Fuck even some alchemical concoction that renders another person malleable to suggestion via fumes, contact or ingestion would be better than what was presented.

>>74681452
That sounds neat, I am fine with that. Maybe the concoction is needed to activate the gene or something? I don't know.

Feel free to rewrite it like that then.

I'm writing a story about how a group of Technobarbarians from 250 years ago managed to plunge through the Empire and even reach the Imperial Palace in Celestial itself, cutting through their armies with technoweapons and killing the living Emperor then, ending on of the Celestial dinasties. And how the empire for fifty years after that was basically heeling from it's wounds and how only the barbarians warmachines running out of juice prevented them from holding power there.

Hopefully this will balance the perception the Celestials never lose.

>>74682269
The Technobarbarians reaching the effigy and going from mountain tribes to technobarbarians is a relatively recent thing.

You should check their lore if they had advanced tech 250 years ago or if that was pre-effigy.

Also that goes against established lore of the Celestial Empire having the same dynasty since it's inception.

>>74680656
>What is Gloria-Etalia? It is a reddit colony universally hated but kept alive because of a transexual janitor baleting every negative post, which makes it categorically the most heavily moderated thread in /tg/ history
threadly reminder to join the 40%

>>74682369
>Also that goes against established lore of the Celestial Empire having the same dynasty since it's inception.
That's not a thing.

>>74682396
You first, o glorious leader

>>74682418
... it was literally established last thread.

>>74682396
Honestly, this shit started out really nice, but has become a circlejerk reddit colony.

I have no clue what happened, but I am not enjoying these threads at all anymore.

>>74681480
here
https://pastebin.com/C9a4vsZb

>>74682561
It was established on previous threads differently. Quote to me when did people on the last thread decided on that, please.

>>74682587
Ok then, bye bye.

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>>74682587
>>74682396
Type like a samefag, gets called out as one. Not every bit of lore may be accepted, especially when it runs contrary to previously accepted canon. This is why the idea with the genetic Celestial overlord gets shot down, it reads too much like a fanfic instead of something that fits in the lore. And considering the kitchen sink feel of the setting, that's a feat in itself.

>>74682396
None of that is true.

Everytime we shoot down someone's mary sue we have to deal with this short of posts for a while. If last thread this happened is any indication they will get tored of shitposting soon. Just keep business as usual anons.

>>74682590
Oh damn. I really liked that. I vote for it to be made canon. Sounds like a good middle ground between ideas.

>>74682590
>>74682671
Not gonna lie, they had us in the first half. This is masterfully executed.

I'd just like to request that people remember to take and give criticism politely.
We've had a really good thing going on here for a while and it would be a shame to have it fall apart because people forget that collaboration means people can disagree without needing to get in a fight.

>>74682590
Damn, thats just solid work. I'd only tweak it so that you had to mix sweat with something or ferment it somehow. Just a little added effort so only the court alchemist or an intelligent and disciplined descendant could pull it off.

>>74682757
>take and give criticism politely
Fuck off to reddit, if I see something that reads like shit thats what I'll call it. People need to learn how to take criticism and heckling. Grow a thicker skin if you're going to post here anon. Sugar coating and safe spaces are found else where.

>>74682862
That's a neat detail. I might revisit it and rewrite based on feedback and then I'll add that when I do.

>>74682757
I mean, polite to me is less important than constructive. In my opinion, people can be as fucking rude as they want, but if they just say "you suck" I can do nothing with that. If they say "You suck, improve your second act, moron", well, that's the same as "I respect you as a person anon, but your work is lacking on the second act."

Tone is less important than content.

>>74683018
Fair call, personally I don't mind people telling me my stuff sucks so long as they can also point to what needs changing.
Or better yet offer some advice/suggestions

>>74683390
Yes. Exactly

>>74680781
It sets a REAL bad precedent if we can just delete lore.

>>74680979
No a a Celestial person SAID that and folks pointed how stupid that was given that had a multigenertional warring states period.

Celestial Empire is mostly hype and bullshit. Even their LANGUAGE is fake.

>>74683602
Arguing with this guy is like running in the special olympics

>>74681197
The K'elle'han. was a pre existing character who had a political scheming and tension with the Empress set up as a plot point of the lore.
There was a very good bit written about him recruiting a Tnz relative who had integrated into Imperial culture and marrying him off to an Oni as part of his power play on the empire. That kind of stuff is cool.

The idea that if they ever met in person he would mindbreak her with his dom genes is fucking stupid.

>>74683602
Celestial had their own sengoku/three kingdoms time. Their history is revisionist and makes it so that in hindsight the true emperor prevailed all along. Reality is that whoever won would've been the rightful emperor. At a given time there were three concurring emperors, one in Celestial, one in Xin Dao and one in exile on the ivory kingdom

>>74682369
I'll make it and Orde army lead by an oni then.

I think its time for a rework of the Westrasi sea in order to make it a little more interesting and to explain why its so european and homogenous

>The guardian & the Barrier

The Guardian is an artificial intelligince designed by one of the Gloria-etalia aliens in order to maintain an enclosed region the Westrasi sea. The westrasi Sea is cut off from the rest of the world by an impenetrable energy shield erected by otherworldy technology and there is no way in and out of it. There isnt even a way to see inside of it or outside of it, meaning that the Westrasi inside of the barrier are cut off from the rest of that world and have no way to communicate with anyone outside of the westrasi Sea

The purpose of the guardian is protect the Barrier and keep the primitive inhabitants of the planet from interfereing with the project and the enclosed population. It directs a massive swarm of robotic kill drones and even has an angelic looking chassis that it uses as an avatar when neccessary. More than once belarans and Morlouxians and suoxi and others have launched invasions to try and enter the barrier but they have all failed their armies effortlessly destroyed by the might of the Guardian. In the modern age everyone has given up on every trying to bypass the barrier to see what lies beyond it both the inhabitants of the westrasi Sea inside of it and the rest of the world outside of it

countries trapped inside of the barrier include
>terravia
>chiefdom of Uraka
>Saramese kingdom
>free City of Betranox
>uroxian Federation
>Leixi-airoxian Commonwealth
>euraxian Kingdom
>Farisian Republic
>Araxian kingdom
>yoroi tribelands
>Vashian republic
>yoroslovan Kingdom
>Veranese city States
>Principality of suezi
>chiefdom of voroi

>>74683676
The Xin-On Era is even worse than that. It was essentially a cluster fuck of various military fifedoms that occasionally would yield to a Shogun type overgeneral before breaking apart again it never fully stabilized because for every new territory united another would break away. It only became a true empire after the Second Orde collapsed and a power gap showed up that could be filled.

>>74683713
I know this is bait because this directly contradicts the lore of the sakartion empire, Belara and Verani. Stop being salty /d/-man.

I know what you are trying to do. You writing bad lore on purpose to get it shot down and then claim that the project is not inclusive to new ideas but you deliberately write them so that they don't mesh with the rest.

>>74683695
A bastard singleson Oni is abandoned, is picked up and raised by an Orde and becomes a champion who leads the first Tnz raids into Celestia since the second orde.

Many hope to see thh rise of a third ORde but the Oni cant get mass support due to not being Tnz.

Although, I do say yet ANOTHER "Epic Horselord Raider attacks a large empire, wins in battle but then dies" may be a bit repetitive. Maybe play into that and it was a conscious in-universe effort to recreate what happened with the 9 Heads and the First Orde?

>>74683713
Imagine being this butthurt

>>74683763
then we rewrite Sarkatian Belaran and verani in order to fit the new lore

Sakartion has access to a tiny bit of the westrasi sea that isnt behind the Barrier
Belara was the only country that ever inflicted even a scratch on the guardian's chasis with its armies
Verani empire covered every last part of the westrasi Sea inside the shield before it collapsed

problems solved

>>74683811
Why you doing this, senpai?

The Geography makes it hard to have the Celestials in conflict with anyone besides the Tnz is the issue.

But I am recognizing the issues of repetitiveness.

So far we have Aetl Han, Kara Khan, Pelar, Bezel Khan and Uruz Khan basically filling the same archetype.

Gotta make sure we flesh out the uniqueness of them all.

>>74683843
because the Westrasi Sea is fucking boring and this makes it at least a tiny bit more exciting

if theres any other issues please bring them up so i can write solutions to them

>>74683767
>>74683884
How about and Ivory Kingdom elephant lord actually managing to defeat the empire regarless of number and ruling south celestia for three or al generations before cultural differences lead to an uprising and restoration?

>>74683886
There's the issue of your idea being dumb because it isolates a bug chunk of the world for no gain. Fix that

Aetl is like the Golden God. Your Ancient Persia or Babylon type. Seen as a shinigning golden city on the hill of the ancient world. Less so a warlord conqueror and more a master class empire state builder. More Kublai less Genghis

Kara is the Alexander or Mongol or Hittite or Ceaser type who pushes in the shit of an afformentioned established city state but cant go on to hold the gains beyond their death. Like I am thinking JFK,MLK vibes lots of folks ponder what would happen if they didnt fuck off to the desert.

Pelar was more about state building. A see her era and resign as this cosmopolitan DND esque mixing of cultures and identities and shit. Almost like a "new world" effect but on the same land mass.

Bezel is unique enough just on the factor of being a damn goblin.

That leaves this Oni Han who I think would need a lot of character work. Maybe take more cues from failed modern revolutionary movements. Your Guy Fawkes and your German 1848s and your 5 color flag Chinese.

>>74683919
but there's loads of gain, it provides justification for the region being so dull and samey and it provides a villain for PCs to kill which the setting needs more of and it adds a bit of the science fantasy flavor of the setting to an area that was as bland as d&d before now

>>74683908
The fact that the independent states of the empire are mostly self ruling and the actual central emperor doesnt have much power doesnt get used that much.

What if like several border states are influenced/have been influenced/ are more loyal to neighbor states than the empire.

Like imagaine if one of the GovenorLords of the southern states is run by a Naga

>>74683952
>opnions
If you not gonna try harder with your baiting I'm just gonna ignore you. Trolling is fine but you aren't even putting effort

>>74683991
You cant even bring up any genuine issues, youre just butthurt that your special snowflake country is fucking boring and that I'm spicing it up with some exciting changes

by the way "your idea is dumb" is also an opinion

>>74683975
That kills the xenophobic and arrogant traits which are really important to suoxi identity. I don't think it works. It also goes against a lot of their lore already stablished.

>>74684018
If established lore is bad theres nothing wrong with rewriting it

>>74683975
Nah. The suoxi call themselves a country for a reason. Central govern doesnt have influence but gets called on a lot. It's been states that the one thing capable of unifying the "empire" is fighting foreigners. This wouldn't happen of they are more loyal to foreigners than to emperor. Suoxi are suppose to be snooty about people without white hair. High elves, you know?

>>74682590
This is good. I would prefer not to end off the Whole. imperial intrigue part of the setting though

>>74684063
Ah, it's you. Senpai, don't you have something better to do with your day?

>>74684018

>>74684064
Fair point. So yeah I think losing a war to the Ivory Kingdom works then.

>>74684078
Come up with a reason for why the suoxi should stay the way they are when they could be rewritten to be better

Gloria Etalia is a micro cosmos of Tabletop community. A lot of people worked by passion to create something fun without caring for ego, anonymously. They made something really good. Then a few loud anons come here and want to make the setting their playground. When they are told "no" because they don't 'get' the setting and their contributions don't fit, they scream that we aren't being sufficiently inclusive, that it's a circlejerk, which is just another world for gatekeeping. To the point a good part of the setting (the travel journals), gets deleted as not to confuse the special snowflakes late comers. Not to offend their sensibilities. And now they keep screaming how old lore has to change to fit their taste. The setting is full of blank spaces but they won't shut up until they change something else someone did in a stupid way.

>>74684094
The Souxi follow a model of ancient greece or preunified India where it is a series of mostly indepenet states that share a common language and culture.

The new nation-state built on nationalism and cultural myth is stepped in a lot of 1800s and 1700s style politics and nation building.

Its a cool idea to have a big Empire than is just as much a construct in universe as it is out of universe. They speak a conlang, they have propagandist history education like in the american south, they are racist as a fuck, and they act like they are mighty unconquered empire when the truth is for most of history there wasnt an empire to conquer. Its that classic "asshole elf nation" trope played up in universe Alan Moore style.

>>74684094
Cause they won't be better, they will be worse. You are not welcome in this thread, you clearly don't get the setting. leave.

>>74684084
Not just losing but being occupied for like, 100 years. Maybe naga can stay after that occupation ends and we get a naga governor in a southern province.

>>74684147
Bonus points if the poor peasants and almost slaves of the Celestial empire buy even harder into the propaganda than the nobles and soldiers. Every peasant has a shitty life but they take comfort that at least they are part of the 'Greatest nation in the world' and better than 'those other guys', even if their standard of living is worse.

>>74684147
Or maybe you should try to make a country that isn't based off of real life countries and history, theres nothing interesting about Suoxi just being an amalgamation of medieval China and a couple of things from other historical countries

Have the xenophobia and arrogance be because of memetic indoctrination passed down by generations or have it be because of a massive psychic field that engulfs the entire empire, thats much more interesting

>>74684017
>I'm spicing it up with some exciting changes
The fucking ego on this one

>>74684210
>wacky = interesting.
That's the thought of someone who rather watch anime than a documentary.

>>74684219
Not an argument

If theres a reason why the guardian and the barrier shouldnt be a thing say it instead of insulting me, if it doesnt fit the setting then we can change the setting to make it fit

>>74684222
Youre literally just copy and pasting traits off of historical countries rather than making something original though

>>74684068
It doesn't end the intrigue. Because There is no gene. The wise man was a plant who sold the idea to the K'Elle'han. There was never any gene. The empress being able to plant the guy and knowing K'Elle'Han ambition would lead him to believe it cause of wishful thinking, and her husband being willing to play along and let the guy bed his daughter was part of the plan to get K'Elle'Han to confess his ploy for the crown in front of the whole court, thus justifying killing him.

>>74684236
Why change the setting to make the idea that doesn't fit fit, instead of not using the idea that doesn't fit?
>Because it's more interesting.
It's not.

>>74684261
So the Suoxi are the smartest and the greatest and the best in the world yet again and they outsmart everyone else because they're so clever

yawn

>>74684261
>>>74684068
I know. With the Han dead it cuts off the whole Han vs Emprres cold war plotline.

>>74684272
But it is

are you really telling me that
>a bunch of countries that are literally just carbon copies of european renaissance countries
is more interesting than
>a supersized human zoo maintained by an ancient robot made by aliens where the humans have developed renaissance cultures and wage war against each other unaware that they live in a giant petri dish

>>74684315
>superplaypen placed around by megaalien nobody can touch so people play nice
is more interesting than
>Actually fleshed out cultures struggling to survive, waging war, making trade and having cultural exchanges
?

>>74684280
Han is a suoxi too, you dumbfuck. Even by the 'gene' shitty lore he would need to be suoxi to have the gene, you absolute brain midget. Either way it would be the suoxi being clever and powerful.

>>74684349
But actually fleshed out cultures struggle to survive, wage war, make trade and have cultural exchanges inside of the barrier, though i wouldnt call them "fleshed out" considering that they're all carbon copies of Europe

>>74684366
Not in the way that matters

>>74684391
>>74684315
>>74684280
>>74684253
>>74684236
Go away. Anyway even if you don't go, this is the last I interact with your posts.

>>74684146 was right.

>>74684406
The words of someone without an argument who just wants to have their way no matter what

Now thats a tantrum

>>74684147
The whispers of the old ones tell the tales of the GReat Mother Qok and the GReat Father Dragon. How from the water and fire the great people of Qoktengal would spread across the Grass waves and inherit the Earth.

In times old, when frost crept down from the north and the people ate the whipfish from the River Qok raw, the people lived in fear and died soon. Until one looked up and saw the Father Dragon soar above. The people followed the father Dragon and saw him feed on the great Oozestadons that the people before ran in fear from. The smoking scraps of the cooked meat lured the people to feed and with the Second Gift, the Dragon’s Fire the people spread from the Mother Qok and claimed the Old Lands as their own.

With smoke hardened wood spears the Oozestadons were hunted and the people grew. As they fed on their meat they would admire and praise the Dragons who ruled the skies and the Fleetfoots that ruled the land. On rare days the bravest and cleverest of The People would fell a Fleetfoot and its meat would be treasured and prized. Orphaned Fleetfoot young from champion hunts would walk with the people and as the ages passed Man and Fleetfoot would run together. When the two races became one The People were complete. All the Grass Waves became open to The People from the Great Mother Qok the people followed the Father Dragon and were shown greater and greater hunts.

>>74684636
Try as hard as you like. You won't fool me.

>>74684636

When the People first tamed the Horse the Qoktengal race spread from the corner of Eastralia to cover all of the Great Plains. At this time the Qoktengal were like an island people. Each tribe separated by great distances but still keeping the same tradition of Dragon worship and hunting of great beasts. When Tarrow weed was found in the Sevalut river valley, the Qoktengal tribes fed their Horses the stock and saw them grow strong, swift and mighty. The many seeds of the weed grew quickly in the dry climate of the steppes, and soon the Great plains was covered in this golden grain. The so-called “Fourth Gift” let Qoktengal tame wild game in the south and hunt fatter and slower Oozestadons in the north. The surplus of food led to the number of the people to grow and as they did new cultures and ideas grew. The once common Qoktengal tribes split into the countless races known today such as the Uruz and Tnz . To this day the last of the “Qok Purebloods” are found among the Temengal people.


The Qoktengal held "Four Gifts" as sacred

The Water of the Mother Qok, from which all people are born and must return to.

The Fire of the Father Dragon, from which food and weapons are made with.

The Flesh of the Fleetfoot Horse, from which all the world is made available.

And the Seed of the Tarrow-Weed, from which all life is tamed.

The twin binaries of Water/Fire and Flesh/Seed are still seen in Qoktengal successor cultures to this day

>>74684658
Whats a oozestadon?

>>74684818
Don't feed the troll.

>>74684840
How's that anon a troll?

>>74684818
Wild Mammoths native to the Great Plains. They snort mucus from their trunks that melts down grass then slurp it up.

They are hunted by dragons and as humans grew they are now endangered. This (and the eastern Molusc shore dying) is a key reason why Dragons are dying out.

>>74684947
Gross. Keep it up.

As you see the thing is dying. Being yeeted off page 10

>>74682590
>https://pastebin.com/C9a4vsZb
Seems like a salty fanfic. 0/10

>>74685249
You missed a 1.
10/10 salty fanfic.

>>74685577
Oh, sorry.

0/110 pure salt spewing, Celestial Empire wins again accelerating their Mary Sue'ism

>>74685644
Feel free to write some lore about something in the setting you like

>>74685644
yum delicious tears.

>>74684315
Alright, I know you're just a troll, but I think that this is an opportunity to say something that needs to be said for the future.

You don't have to love everything in the setting. You clearly don't like Westrasi, and that's fine. You don't have to read the stuff that comes out about it, you don't have to play any games set there, you don't have to contribute to it. Personally, I dislike Northedge. Because of that, I don't contribute lore there. I don't criticize what people like about that region. I don't really do anything with that region. And you can do the same. If you don't like something, that's fine. But you don't have to shit it up for everyone who does.

Hey guys, I'm going to you to add to your Wiki nation's page the 'current leader' and to the top of the page, and a 'current notable characters' section bellow geography. I've been wanting to write about countries and not knowing about their kings and leaders is making it difficult. I have no idea what the name of Celestial Empress is, for example, and I've seem some leader names tossed around the thread so I'm sure there's more characters thought out than are listed on the wiki. Feel also free to write a short bio and hyperlink it to the nation article, Hyperlinks are king.

>>74687243
If >>74684315 was a person with any interest in making meaningful contributions to the setting they would've done what other anons did. Read a lot of the lore, pick a region that they like and add something in tune with the tone of that region. People who just go "alright fools, imma gonna change all your work cause you've been doing worldbuilding wrong" aren't even remotely acting in good faith. At best they are disrespecting the work of others, which is bad for a community built game. At worst they are deliberately trying to sabotage the project. Mind control anon and shield around Westrasi anon are either the same, or two different people making the same mistake. We are not forced to accept their contributions, so let's just not. They or people like them already costed us the 'Travel Journal' because they wouldn't stop crying Mary Sue. They almost costed us Nicolette, and if they had their way we'd have a mind control fetish Empire and a magical playpen in the setting. Just ignore them. Please.

>>74687243
stop feeding him.

>>74687250
Sounds good.

Some of the national leaders are pretty obvious just from reading the articles, but other times it was overlooked, and some nations just don't have a clear leader.

>>74682590
Love it

>>74687387
Yeah, but in those cases would be pratical for an anon to be able to read their names right from the bat and if there's a hyperlink bio, even better. Imagine if the project gets bigger and we have a lot of characters, their biography would interact and from one leader you go to his rival, from the rival to another country. This is the soul of the wiki format.

>>74687250
Maybe each leader and notable character should have a separate page, under a "Notable Character" category of the wiki, and the nation page should just have a hyperlink to the character's page.

>>74687729
>>74687454
>>74687250
True... Let me propose a standartization for that:

>Name: (character full name)
>Birth year: (using standard 5k calendar, can add regional if want, but must use the 5k first.)
>Faction(s): Country character belongs to, but also guilds, political factions, clans, noble families etc.
>Allies: If any
>Rivals: If any

>Early life
What they did before being famous

>Career
How they become whatever makes them wiki worthy

>Personality
self-explanatory

>Private life
Give this character color by talking about stuff not related to his fame/job

>Notes/Trivia
Things that didn't fit elsewhere in the biography but either give them flavour or is important to know. Sections above this can be cut into subsections based on how much you have to say

>Death
if a past character.

>Legacy
also if a past character. For living ones ignore this and the one above.

>>74687243
Except its not shitting it up its improving it. Its not a case of me not like the Westrasi Sea its that that the westrasi Sea is genuinely bad and little more than a bunch of renaissance European nations with nothing unique or cool about them. This is about making the Westrasi Sea fit into the science fantasy side of the setting rather than being a boring lump of countries cloned from real life history. There is nothing about the Westrasi sea that fits in with the rest of the setting and that's something that needs to be rectified

>>74688056
There are characters that are listed in wiki pages that could be pulled out. Lot of nation founders and such forth.


Also can someone write some lore for Aeetl Han, preferable not me or the Orde creator since between us we basically wrote everything about them. All we really know is he unified the Second Orde, beat the shit out of the Celestial "Empire", had a firm rivalry/respect with a leader of the Celestials who died the night before their final battle, was rumored to have a romance with that Shogun's successor, died in single combat with Kara Khan and ruled the most advanced civilization in human history up to that point. Oh and he also had a Lion Mount companion (that the Khan took as a pelt)

>>74688265
If other anons approved the standardization, I'm going to try to update some of the existing characters to fit that.

>>74688355
Sure go for it.

>>74688227
I personally like the Yori tribelands and wyrlands and Outer Haven. I agree I dislike how its super xeroxed from Europe so when I do lore I add more unique details instead of doing vast retcons.

Like nothing keeps you fromt taking an un or minimally fluffed part of the lore and adding to it Like maybe one of the Saramese exiles was caused by them digging up some old tech and causing a disaster

>>74688496
Barely anything needs to retconned, people have had plenty of chances to bring up things that would need to be changed for ti to happen but no one has done that so I can only assume there's not many changes or much retconning required

>>74688496
You are either the troll same fagging or you are responding to it. In either case, stop.

Friendly reminder that: "I dislike the thing" doesn't mean anyone has to change them to fit your likings. Anons who actually read lore of the Westerasi sea know their nations are pretty neat. Urox has no real world parallel, neither does Uraka, Bertranox, and the Saramese kingdom. Euraxia is a bit french and Verani is a bit roman but they have their own unique stuff going on too. Wyrdlands, Yoroi, Yoroslavan, Vashia, Farisia and such have their own unique stuff too despite some inspiration.

If that offends your sensibility, fuck off and hide the thread. We don't need entitled fuckers who want to bend the work of many to the will of a few.

>>74688682
I'm not changing anything about those nations other than the fact that they are all contained by the Barrier so you don't need to worry about them losing their precious European blandness

If nothing else, I have to give to some people that while their ideas are stupid and their actions retarded, they at least have persistence.

>>74688781
Because its a community project and you do not personally get to say what gets excluded

They sure are persistent, I'll say

There was an anon writing a battle report between Farisia and Euraxia and I'm very interested in reading it. If you are reading this anon, please post here.

>>74683886
Congratulations, you just made it even more boring. Try interconnecting the nations more, not less. If not in current era, then in the past... or even future.

>>74689466
IndoGent, please refrain from troll-feeding.

>>74684298
But wait! This here has a seed for future intrigue when the 'used' princess resents her role, and escapes the central courts to raise the baby of the now-dead Han so she could rule both the K'elle'Han and the Celestial Empire at once. There is still chaos in the future of the Celestial Empire.

>>74689590
Bastard baby daughter. I dig

>>74689466
Interconnection doesn't equal excitement, what's important is that the weird europeaness of the region suddenly has justification and its also tied into the science fantasy part of the setting

Oh boy, it is still here.

>>74689449
I decided against it due to a lack of historical/military expertise, to avoid stepping on any toes and due to waning interest in the project.

>>74689676
Well that's sad to hear but understandable. The current wave of shitposting drove a couple anons away already, and they were big contributors.

>>74689522
I don't know who's who anymore, man. I'll just throw lore and see if it sticks or fits, and it it doesn't then I won't throw tantrums, just think up more lore and throw them anon-wards.

>>74689692
What is mostly frustrating is that the shitposter put very little effort in shitposting, and yet they achieve their goal of killing something in which a lot of people put effort. Was there any past successful /tg/ colab project? How did they address the shitposting?

>>74689692
For your sake, I'll post what I wrote so far.

>>74689757
>The Battle of Faris
The Battle of Faris took place during the summer of 4996 between the assorted mercenaries employed by the Farisian Republic and the Euraxian army led by King Louis X. It marked the end of the Siege of Faris and the turning point of the Second Euraxian-Farisian War.

>Background
The Second Euraxian-Farisian War was declared in 4995 by King Louis X of Euraxia. In order to justify his invasion of the Farisian Republic, Louis invoked the blood of his ancestor, Euron Pean, the founder of the Euraxian Kingdom. Supposedly, Euron was the son of an Araxian lord who was distantly related to House Brachen, the ruling dynasty of Araxia at the time. As the Republic was once a province of the Araxian Kingdom, this obscure connection was used to claim that Louis had more right to Farisian land than the republicans. This is the same justification that was used to declare the First Euraxian-Farisian War, which ended in Euraxia's favour.

While the superior Farisian navy was able to stop any coastal assault, the Republic couldn't prevent the Euraxian army from marching across the border. The Battle of Farmel, the Rape of Virago and the Battle of Ermela are some of the most notable defeats that the Farisians suffered, as they found themselves overwhelmed by the Euraxian cavalry at every turn. Eventually, it became clear that Louis's army could not be bested in a pitched battle, and so the Farisian Republic withdrew its remaining forces to the capital city of Faris.

During the first half of 4996, the Euraxian army was able to seize most of the Farisian Republic without encountering any resistance. More than once, Louis sued for the cession of the territory that his forces occupied, but Vitale Orvaro, the Republic's chancellor, denied him. The Euraxian king decided that if the Farisians would only acknowledge his victory if they were held at sword-point, then he would lay siege to Faris itself.

>>74689772
>Prelude
When spring came to an end and summer began, Louis had his army seize the outermost districts of Faris. The city was so expansive that much of it was unprotected, and so the Euraxian army was able to capture almost a third of the capital. However, the remainder of the city was fortified by great walls that had been built after the First Euraxian-Farisian War. At that point, in time, Louis was content to wait, as he expected that surrender was imminent.

However, the chancellor had other plans. With the backing of the patricians, Orvaro introduced a new policy. During war, any man of foreign birth who chose to fight for the Farisian Republic of his own volition and without compensation would be granted land and citizenship upon the cessation of that war. Envoys carried word of the new law throughout the Westrasi Sea, but this desperate gambit found the most success in the country of Yoroi. Giulio Orvaro, the chancellor's own nephew, seduced thousands of tribesmen with the promise of a new life in civilised lands.

As the weeks went by, Louis grew frustrated. The superior Farisian navy meant that there was no way of blockading the city, which led him to believe that he could not starve its occupants into submission. He was unaware of the rising unrest within the capital, as rationing grew more intensive and the coffers of Faris rapidly began to dwindle. The chancellor's last hope was that the army his nephew had assembled would allow the Farisians to break the siege before he was forced to capitulate. However, the Euraxian king ran out of patience before either outcome, and ordered his forces to storm the city.

>>74689777
>Strength of the Euraxian Besiegers
16,000 Euraxian Infantry (3,000 pikemen, 1,000 halberdiers, 1,000 swordsmen, 3,000 crossbowmen, 8,000 armed servants)
8,000 Euraxian Cavalry (8,000 dismounted men-at-arms)
40 Euraxian Siege Engines (20 trebuchets, 10 bolt throwers, 10 mages)
2,000 Araxian Mercenaries, “Burksland Company” (1,000 swordsmen, 1,000 dismounted men-at-arms)

>Strength of the Farisian Defenders
9,000 Farisian Garrison (1,000 halberdiers, 2,000 crossbowmen, 6,000 militiamen)
30 Farisian Siege Engines (25 bolt throwers, 5 mages)
3,000 Uroxian Mercenaries, “Fifth Steel Legion” (1,000 pikemen, 1,000 swordsmen, 1,000 crossbowmen)
3,000 Farisian Mercenaries, “Gilded Band” (2,000 crossbowmen, 1,000 halberdiers)
2,000 Farisian Mercenaries, “Men of Beltagax” (1,000 swordsmen, 1,000 crossbowmen)
2,000 Voroyan Mercenaries, “Dragovor's Villains” (1,000 skirmishers, 1,000 archers)
10 Saramese Mercenaries, “Carmine Brotherhood” (10 mages)

>Strength of the Yoroi Reinforcements
10,000 Yoroi Tribesmen (3,000 skirmishers, 1,000 archers, 6,000 militiamen)
2,000 Miscellaneous Mercenaries (1,000 skirmishers, 1,000 militiamen)

>>74689804
>Initial Deployment & Artillery Exchange
Though the Farisian army had been depleted by previous engagements, Chancellor Orvaro spared no expense when it came to acquiring mercenaries. For this reason, the defenders of Faris included a disproportionate amount of crossbowmen. Louis discovered this at the start of the battle by ordering a short-lived assault, intended to probe the city's defences. Though Euraxian losses were minimal, the lesson had been learned. In order to avoid catastrophic losses, a direct route into the city was needed and an answer to the Farisian crossbowmen was required.

A score of trebuchets were constructed at the greatest possible distance from the city walls, out of range of both crossbows and ballistae. Euraxian mages were ordered to bring down the fortifications of Faris with their rituals, but their efforts were countered by the Carmine Brotherhood, a troupe of mercenary wizards employed by Chancellor Orvaro. This allowed the Farisian mages to conduct rituals of their own, with the intention of protecting the city from bombardment and destroying the Euraxian siege equipment.

The result of this was several days of destructive rituals and artillery fire being exchanged. Once the trebuchets had inflicted significant damage of the Farisian ballista emplacements, the Euraxians constructed their own ballistae for the purpose of harassing the crossbowmen stationed on the walls of Faris. The efforts of the trebuchets were focused on creating openings in the walls and enabling a crushing assault, that the Farisian forces would not be able to resist.

And that's where it ends.

>>74689772
>>74689777
>>74689804
>>74689819
I like where this is going. A bit of a guess on what comes next, might be wrong though:
>Artillery stage ends when the Euraxians manage to create a gap in the walls
>Farisians makes a desperate defense, ordered formations slowly turning to urban combat as the Euraxians slowly creep closer
>but! The cramped roads and alleys significantly hindered the Euraxian cavalry, and in their eagerness for battle the Araxian mercs pushed too deep too fast
>At this moment the Yoroi & co. mercs arrive, slamming onto the flank of the Euraxian infantry still outside the walls
>Farisian morale, which was flagging, gained a second wind due to reinforcements, and cut off the Araxian mercs and ambushed the Euraxian cavalry in the streets
>The Araxian mercs all died but made sure the Farisians paid dearly with blood, with each dead Araxian dragging down at least another Farisian with them, killcount-wise
>Euraxian cavalry suffered a heavy loss, and would not become as strong as they were earlier in the war
>Many of the Yoroi die, but the Farisians actually honored their deal and granted them their land at the end of the war - mostly places where Euraxians did a lot of damage, so the Yoroi have to build them up
Whaddya guys think?

>>74688056
>King Szyćak I of the Leixi-Airoxian Commonwealth

Name: King Szyćak I of the House of Podbój

Birth Year: 4972

Faction(s): Leixi-Airoxian Monarchy, House of Podbój, Leixi-Airoxian Army, Rzeka River Transportation Guild

Allies: Abriana Aleramici-Podbój, Count Szymon of Kaćzarka

Rivals: Count Alžankà, formerly of Kaćzarka, now deceased.

Early Life: Szyćak spent his formative years in Tharnux, being schooled in Leixi philosophy and governance by his tutors. His lessons all emphasized the importance of order, and he remained in Tharnus until his 17th year, at which point he was taken throughout Airoxia to be introduced to the Airoxian nobility to ensure their votes on his father's passing. On this tour, Szyćak witnessed the destruction of Airoxia by the warring nobility and the chaos they wrought. Upon returning to Tharnux, Szyćak vowed to one day bring stability and order to his entire kingdom. He began learning everything there was to know about warfare, and became friends with a rising star in the Leixi military, Szymon Nowak.

Career: Upon rising to the throne, Szyćak set to work reforming the military with the vast funds accumulated by his father. He adopted the pike square and crossbow dragoons. He raised a massive army of 32,000 men and marched into Airoxia. 5 years he spent campaigning, but he was ultimately successful, though his grand army put Leixi into financial distress. He bent all of the nobility to his will, barring some exceptions like his greatest rival, Count Alžankà of Kaćzarka. For his refusal to submit to Szyćak, Alžankà was executed and his title was given to the Szyćak's second in command, Szymon Nowak. Now that Szyćak has brought order to his kingdom, he searches outward for new conquests. His current goal is to find a port on the Westrasi Sea. The primary plans are either to drive through the Farisian Republic or the Euraxian Kingdom to the sea.

>>74690126
Strong Alfred the Great energy

>>74690070
Yeah, that was the direction that it was going to go from there. I was going to put some emphasis on the Uroxian mercenaries holding the line for a day or two, suffering immense casualties in the process. They eventually break, Euraxians get through the breach and storm the city in a whole bunch of chaotic urban combat. The Yoroi tribesmen eventually arrive outside of the city and flank exactly in the way that you describe and everything goes exactly the way that you say - except that Giulio Orvaro is one of the many casualties suffered by the Yoroi reinforcements.

After the Euraxians withdraw, both sides are desperate for peace. Louis has to contend with pissed-off vassals who are upset about the siege going sour and Orvaro has to deal with the coffers going dry and the mercenaries being on the edge of sacking the city themselves. So rather than continue the war while dealing with rebellious nobles and unpaid mercenaries at the same time, Louis and Orvaro agreed to a white peace and concluded the war, to lick their respective wounds before shit hit the fan.

>>74689772
>>74689777
>>74689804
>>74689819

Sad that you stop working on it and is less interested in the project cause this is very well done.

>>74690070
I like it. Araxian eagerness and Euraxian knights trying to use cavalry where not suited are realistic ways I can see the nations strengths playing against them in the battle.

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If flag anon is here, could you tell me if this could work as a flag for yugr? Color of backround would be blue, and symbol would stay black.

>>74690278
You could add that Euraxians have many knights capture during the siege. That could help explain Euraxian withdraw and giving up on the war. The ransom for the knights would be a large economic burden for the king and noble houses. Farisia is all "We shall free them, horse and armor, if Euraxia withdraw." Which isn't as gracious as it sounds because Euraxia pushing for a continue war could go badly. Nobles, eager to salvage de fiasco, accept to sue for a whitepeace and restoration of older borders

>>74682590
>The Kneeling Empress
Fuck's sake anon. I'm having a giggle over here.

>>74690419
That works a little better, but it's a little more biased in favor of the Farisians. I wanted to go with the most neutral, mutually assured destruction sort of ending for the sake of fairness.

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>>74690390
The symbol you sent looks a bit too small in the center. I made an alternate version that I'll post after so you can decide which you like more

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>>74690390
This emphasizes the head alone, and i got rid of the mustache-like parts. I looks better in my opinion but you see what you think looks best, friend

>>74689772
>>74689777
>>74689804
>>74689819
See something like this would still be possible while the Westrasi sea is covered by the Barrier

Interesting things (if you consider this interesting) can still happen underneath the Barrier

>>74690468
Well I wrote >>74690419 and I'm fairly much a fan of Euraxia, so I don't think it's a problem. Can try to present it in a way that continuing the conflict would be bad for both sides, Farisia couldn't actually demand ransom. Or they could but without their productive lands, as soon as Euraxian licked their wounds, they be in trouble again. And King Louis X has a bunch of nobles nagging him about their relatives being prisoner and they are eager to return home. So The White Piece allows them both to save some face. Euraxians can be all "See, they fear us so much they wavered ransom to see this war over." and Farisians can be all "See, they learned their lessons and left our country."

Oh. It is still trying, lol

>>74690126
God as an IRL Pole I can't help, but hate the LAC. Like I am trying to ignore it so goddamn hard, but it just makes me cry.

Not!lithuenians are chaotic retarded, while not!poles are lawful smug. Everything is named after a pun. The monarchy is not elective, there is no hussars and there is no not!sarmats.

And for all the puns for Poland that the LAC has... the fucking cities and nation are not named in Polish.

I needed to let this out. Ok, now back to ignoring the LAC's existence.

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>>74690126
Personality: Szyćak is, generally speaking, a mild and polite man. When in his court, Szyćak follows every formality and nicety. However, when out in the field, Szyćak becomes loud, boisterous, and energetic.

Private Life: Unbeknownst to all but his closest friends and his wife, Szyćak does not actually want to be a warrior. He views his role of conqueror as something required of him as an "Enlightened Monarch". In truth, Szyćak only really desires to stay in Leixi and write philosophy. However, he is dedicated to his sworn duty to spread order as far as possible.

Notes/Trivia:
>Szyćak towers over most men, standing at 6 foot, 7 inches.
>Szyćak hates economics and tending to state fiscal matters, leaving most economic tasks to his wife, Abriana, who is a financial genius.
>There is a rumor circulating that Szyćak is gay and loves Szymon of Kaćzarka. The rumor was started since he spends more time out of the capital with Szymon than with his wife.

>>74690535
Yeah, this one looks definietly better, thanks. But could you make blue little more lighter, so it would contrast better with black? Its good as it is, but i want to see if it could looke even better.

>>74690676
As a guy ignorant in polish history, I thought they seemed fine. But I understand your grievance

>>74690676
>Why isn't this nation partially inspired by the PLC not a complete carbon copy of the PLC?
There's more to it than just the Polish-Lithuanian references.

>>74689590
Why are we advancing the plotline though? I thought we wanted the setting to be static in the year 5000???

>>74690278
Ooh, yeah, that'd make for an interesting fight there. Euraxians and Farisians both losing too much to continue; Euraxians, the fabled strength of their cavalry; Farisians, the chancellor's nephew and perhaps his own image (dude wastes almost all our money to hire all these unwashed barbarians? Blasphemous!). The Euraxian knights being ransomed back would probably be a thing that happened, but not in a large enough number for the Farisians to refill their coffers nor for the Euraxians to regain their cavalry's strength.

Also maybe a little off topic, but if you want some mangas to mine for 'epic battle ideas', I would recommend three. Kingdom (based on unification of China by the Qing), Shoukoku no Altair (based on Ottoman/Turkic sultanate vs not!HRE), and Per Aspera Ad Astra (which is actually a retelling of Scipio vs Hannibal).

>>74690754
He is just saying this creates room for future issues, rather than being a 'end all' for court intrigue. I don't think he is actually proposing we plan the setting twenty years from then.

>>74690676
I only tried to take mild inspiration actual Poland, and only really used it for a couple names and vague ideas. I didn't want to just transplant the actual PLC into the world.

>>74689676
The interest is waning because the more lore there is the harder it is to join in for new people it's natural.

I contributed a lot of lore, but am plain burnt out.

>>74690676
Well, im also irl Pole, and i love it. Exackly for what you listed. Its silly, im sure guy writting it had lots of fun, but i bet not as much fun as me when reading it.
I say - let yourself have some fun.

>>74689725
Eventually moving to their own discord and only reappearing once in a while on /tg/ to garner new interest.

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>>74690705
How about this, then?

>>74690818
Looks great, i love it.

>>74690785
Yeah, maybe.

>>74690818
Oh, and almost forgot - great, great thanks, thread wouldnt be same withouth you.

>>74679741
>>74679982

What are your opinion on this guys?

>>74690785
I think this is like a hill. The setting is hitting a spot where the map is filled and anything to be added has to fit with what's already there, but people aren't very familiar with what's there yet. I think if we do get over the hill, we will have enough OC content that people will get interest in the setting for the fiction, the art and the PDFs, and then they'll read the established lore and be happy when they can add to it.

But until we get over that hill, yes, interest is gonna wane a bit.

>>74690785
>I contributed a lot of lore, but am plain burnt out.
Same, i think i might just focus on finishing what i started and then leaving, maybe forever. Or atleast unitl i can recapture passion i had at start.

>>74690858
I love pricy bargains so that's neat

>>74689725
Dunno if it counts as /tg/ nowadays, but back in the day before the /qst/ split, I started an evogame called Primordial. It went through from critters to tribal to civ, and yes, there were shitposters too (I'll always remember the magic purple dragon). Back then, we basically ignored them, made fun of them and ignored them, or if it was going in an interesting direction we actually made it work. Props to all the players, most of which still hung around /tg/ and elsewhere and becoming friends.

>>74690747
>>74690752
>>74690784
>>74690800
Ok my grievance with the nation is not it being bad, but it being not as good as it could be. If you wanted an example it'd be something like this:

Imagine a nation which is not!Japan, but it does not have Samurai or Ninjas or even a Shogun. Their culture does not emphasize honor and instead just does beating each other up.

All the rivers and character surnames are anime references, but the country itself and all it's cities are named in Russian.

Again, this is mostly a complaint on personal taste and a lot of missed opportunities. Guess I am a bit regretful for not writing it myself.

>>74690913
I would love if this project is still remembered in a few years. Is why I do stuff like the countries flags or edit maps. My skillset is photoshop so I'm trying to make what I can for the setting using that.

>>74690858
I must have missed it, great lore as always, il search for necroswampers map, add it, and post it. Who knows, maybe people will have ideas for three remaining liches this time.

>>74690878
Same, the thing is this is /tg/ if we actually has GURPS anon not leave forever and make the Westerasi Campign guide it's have attracted more people.

Same if we got the CYOA done or the /qst/

(honestly the best way to get new people is to start posting more snow elves in the OP, but the problem is WHO we then get as new people)

>>74690922
Hrm, i'd like if we could fit !not-Hussar/Cossacks somewhere in the setting if you wanna stick around and try to add that. But yeah, I get it.

>>74690948
Yeah, in a few years we'll only remember the high notes. I don't think the setting will ever be forgotten, but work on it will stop soon likely.

>>74690913
>if it was going in an interesting direction we actually made it work
i guess in those thread we already did something similiar, with dragon jeff, the checker master

>>74690981
Honestly I wanted to add not!Sarmats who saw themselves as related to the Celestial Empire, but then the Leixi Lore about being super supremacist was added and they didn't fit anymore.

>>74690972
GURPS anon here:
Sorry i've been quiet this long, I've been working on the map and the campaign and already sorta have the basics for it.

>Pitch
The players are all in the city of Bertranox, but can be native from anywhere in the world. They each have their own reasons to end up in a Bertranox jail, and since law is a bit loose on the city, that can be anything from "murder" to "failed to pay for harbour fees" and "got in the bad side of a powerful man."

In exchange for freedom, they will be recruited into a faction in the capital who needs things done. These errands shall have the part end up with a small cogship they can crew, and they will need to sail across the Westerasi sea to find them. They could just flee with the cog but there's a significant gold reward in the end of the rainbow is they follow through.

>>74689804
Those numbers are fucking insane, how could these tiny countries field so many people? How did a shitty miniature Venice clone and a shitty miniature France clone become the most powerful military powers in the setting? Also, you REALLY don't understand how mercenaries work.

>>74690998
Yeah, but every good thing has to end sometime. We are in the twilight of a setting-building, where we look back at the big quilt tapestry we've been working on and look for holes. Then comes the polishing, and our setting could become one where people would play in it (and I think we already did, with chillvamp's group!)

>>74691124
Shitposter, ignore this dude.

>>74691124
>hurr durr i am retarded barrier anon still salty people ignored me
Go troll a 40k thread, moron.

>>74691124
I admit, that's what I feared. I took inspiration from the numbers given by the Hundred Year War, but what would be a better choice?

>>74691169
That guy isn't talking in good faith. The "shitty france clone" etc guve it away. He read that your interest is waning and that you were insecure about not knowing military history and that was blood in the water for trolling. You did a great job and one salty anon isn't a reason to be apologetic. You likely contributed way more than he did.

>>74691151
>>74691165
>any criticism is a troll there is never ever anything wrong with our writing we are perfect writers each and every one of us
Grow a thicker skin, understand when your writing is shit.
>>74691169
Start by dividing all of the numbers by ten. These are tiny, tiny specks around a very small inland sea. They are not going to be throwing around thousands upon thousands of soldiers.

>>74691169
Don't listen to that fag, he's just being a troll. What you wrote was fine.

>>74690905
Thanks a lot!

>>74690971
Either that, or those could be unclaimed territories disputed by the current Lichlords? Special undeads could be ruling those lands meanwhile.

>>74691205
this. Same thing happen during glutton shitspam. People start ignoring when guy wouldn't stop posting so he waited for someone to post lore and started attacking that lore for answers. Their goal is just to get '(you)s' literally.

>>74691199
>These are tiny, tiny specks around a very small inland sea. They are not going to be throwing around thousands upon thousands of soldiers
Now nations that are more than 500 kilometers wide are tiny specks?
You just say what he has to do in your opinion, while not giving any reason why

>>74691255
The Westrasi Sea itself isn't even five hundred kilometers wide, you fucking dork. Most of the Westrasi Sea countries barely hit one hundred by one hundred.

>>74691124
Pop numbers in setting are high due to magic and GMO. Also Westerasi is the most populous region.

>>74691301
Objectively wrong, Suoxi is the most populous region, more populated than the next biggest by a factor of like, ten.

>>74691326
Suoxi is most populated nation, i doubt its most populated nation.

>>74691343
It's a region and a nation at the same time.

>>74691343
i doubt its most populated region*

>>74691360
So? Colective population of westrais could be biger than suoxi one

>>74691301
>>74691326
What would a population map look like of these countries? How does that affect architecture? Do we see locker room sized homes built on top of each other?

>>74691380
Nope. Suoxi are also the populous ethnicity and considering they're limited to the empire, that's evidence that there's way more people in the Celestial Empire than there are Westrasi in the entire world.

>>74691343
>>74691360
The Celestial Empire is the most populous NATION, Westerasi is the most populous Region.

Ram's head is 2nd spot, then the Celestia Subcontinent.

>>74691408
Thats canon
>>74691405
Thats canoe at best, but definietly not canon

>>74691255
>Fernández De Córdoba himself crossed over to Calabria two days later. He had under his command 600 lances of Spanish cavalry, many of these light jinetes, and 1,500 infantry, many of them Rodeleros swordsmen, to which were added 3,500 soldiers from the Spanish fleet. The size of the Neapolitan army is unclear, but soon was supplemented by 6,000 volunteers from Calabria, who joined the Neapolitan ranks when Ferdinand II landed. Fernández De Córdoba’s Spanish contingent was further depleted because he needed to put Spanish garrisons in several fortified places which Ferdinand II of Naples turned over to Spain in partial compensation for the military aid Spain was providing.

A 'lance' is around 15 men. On this single battle we have one side fielding almost ten thousand men, and the other has 6k only in reinforcements. The battle of Pavia has 20k on each side. All battles took place in Italy, a small country, broken down in almost city-states, on a time roughly equivalent to what we have in GE, technology wise.

Now add to that >>74691301 this. 35k in a battle where whole Euraxian army was present is fine.

>>74691423
Literally in the wiki, man.

>>74680656
What are your favourite stories so far?
For me it would be:
1. Radmir prophet one, it was magical (sometimes even almost biblical) experience, and showed the "feel" of nation it was set in, at the same time showing its history. Sadly it was never finished, Author if you are reading this please finish it.
2. The diaries of emmisary, everything good about them was said last thread, but still - it was capturing read, and great way to show the world, throught eyes of snubbish arogant celestial
3. The teleporter one - short, tragic story about misjudged tribals, and grave mistake comming from their ignorance. Definietly most emotional one so far for me

>>74691488
Do we need to jerk each other off like this?

>>74691527
Do we have to keep to ourselves? Im sure people liked some stories, and could share it with other anons. Also writtefagots, both lore and story ones deserve praise, because they are lifeblood of those threads.

>>74691575
No one deserves praise, focus should be on creating content, not jerking each off.

>>74691433
>It is by far the most densely populated of all of the regions
It does not mean - most populous region. In fact its next to "it is said" if you look at next sentence, so we can safely asume that while density is true, and population makes it most populous country, other continents can be still more populous. So for the sake of not concentrating all thats good in celestials, it should be split up to other continents the way that it was proposed.

>>74691635
https://gloriaetalia.fandom.com/wiki/Humans#Suoxi_Human
>The Souxi are the human ethnic group with the largest current population and the ultimate origin of most writing systems. Beginning in the pastoral valleys of the Celestial subcontinent they would take advantage of the climate to commit massive feats of agriculture.
>The Souxi are the human ethnic group with the largest current population
>the largest current population

>>74691606
Thread can't exist withouth anons, so i can't agree on this with (you). In fact if i were one of them i would want any kind of response, because it shows people are interested, and want to see more stuff written by them.

>>74691695
>>The Souxi are the human ethnic group with the largest current population
Well then, it should be changed as proposed by other anon

>>74691698
If you're in this for recognition and attention, honestly fuck off. This is a project meant for making a setting, not for flattering the egos of one another. Get over yourself.

>>74691714
Wasn't there a massive argument against rewriting old lore on a whim in this very thread?

>>74691721
Im just anon that joined in, and wrote literaly harmless post in thread i were luring before. Im not in it for "anything", bout you sure are hell are here for gatekeeping.

>>74691783
Gatekeeping is required for the health of a project.

>>74691736
Was there? Im for me it was about someone wanteing to add his subdom fantasies as a way to nerf celestials, not about revriting old lore, but adding new one.

>>74691798
>Gatekeeping is required for the health of a project.
So people talking about any anon being able to join in, and add some lore by his own were lying? Or maybe you just have unhealthy way of seeing this whole thing.

>>74691801
People are against that anon's weird force field because it overwrites a lot of the existing canon. If the problem is rewriting the lore that's already written, then we shouldn't change anything about the Suoxi either.

>>74691527
Yes. I'll gladly jerk off content producers and I don't care what you think about it.

>>74691829
People are welcome to write what they want, and we're able to say that it's shit. Either way, as soon as it's written, it belongs to the community and the person who wrote it is irrelevant. This is not a project for praising writers.

>>74691842
I also think they are against it on account of it being a dumb idea.

>>74691842
>If the problem is rewriting the lore that's already written, then we shouldn't change anything about the Suoxi either.
Well, we then have ask ourselves if rewriting old lore is problem. But id guess i already know how will your answer, so its pointlest to talk about it.
Oh well, i guess celestials win again

>>74691859
Great, enjoy being a part of the problem.

>>74691884
There's plenty of dumb ideas that are a part of the setting but that hasn't prevented them from getting in.

>>74691877
>People are welcome to write what they want, and we're able to say that it's shit.
I never said anything about in not being the case, in fact some people were not bullied enought in my opinion, but thats just me.
>Either way, as soon as it's written, it belongs to the community and the person who wrote it is irrelevant. This is not a project for praising writers.
And yet same people continue writtning the same lore. Anons last thread shown that they DO care about writers, and their contined drive to write. But i guess you only talk about problems, and gatekeeping, but you don't add anything by yourself.

>>74691885
If rewriting the old lore isn't a problem, then the Westrasi Sea is now covered by a giant barrier according to >>74683713.
If rewriting the old lore is a problem, then the Suoxi remain the most populous ethnicity in the entire setting.

Your choice.

>>74691899
I will.

>>74691917
There is good dumb, and bad dumb. That one didn't make the cut.

>>74691928
And they're wrong for doing so. This is a group project and the egos of individual writers should be irrelevant.

>>74691932
Who died and made you queen, bitch?

>>74691952
What gives you the authority to say what does and doesn't make the cut?

>>74691984
No one did, I'm just pointing out the logic of the situation. Either we allow rewriting or we don't. We can't just pick and choose, at the cost of being hypocrites.

>>74691989
Common sense and the ability to recognize dumbness in it's varying degrees. Like being able to understand that a forcefield around a region already interconnected with the rest of the world was a retarded notion proposed in bad faith.

>>74691932
Well then, whats the colour of the barier?
You are disingenious, equating one nation being best even at agliculture, and keeping high population numbers, and rust removing one sentence that states they are most populous, to revriting whole continent and all that was written before.

>>74692004
Just because rewriting is allowed doesn't mean we should let any retard dictate major changes to the setting by themselves.

>>74691961:
>But i guess you only talk about problems, and gatekeeping, but you don't add anything by yourself.
You are not writter, you are just a thug that want to keep them down.

>>74692036
This.

>>74692006
Not very interconnected. One of the main criticisms of the Westrasi region is that every country seems to be its own entity and they're barely connected to either other at all. Everyone just works on their own project. So the "interconnected" thing isn't really a legitimate statement.

>>74691952
>There is good dumb, and bad dumb. That one didn't make the cut.
Wrong, they are still "bad dumb" things that made the cut and are even on wiki.

>>74692036
I'm willing to bet I've contributed more to this project than you.

>>74692031
Who gets to be the judge of that then? Are we making someone an official arbiter of this? What happened to proposed rules like:
>if you wish to critique an added piece of lore you do so while also presenting a rewrite

>>74691488
1. The Glutton Trilogy (yeah yeah, I know start shitting on me)
2. The Story of the Boy beamed up into a space ship
3. The Travel Story of the Celestial representative to the LAC

>>74692070
Man. Shut the fuck up with your fucking barrier rant. There's not a single person in this thread who believes you are actually proposing that as something you legitimately enjoy. You're just a persistent shitposter and you are not fooling ANYONE with the whole "It makes it better" act. And yes you gonna keep parroting it but nobody is buying that. I promise you, not a single soul believes you have any intention besides shitposting.

>>74692013
It's a rewrite of a relatively small region of a continent, that doesn't change any of the countries very significantly. I think you're over-stating it.

>>74692088
>Im just anon that joined in, and wrote literaly harmless post in thread i were luring before
Yeah sure, even writing one sentence would be more than me. That does not mean you are not actively hurting the thread right now with your negativity.
Also im willing to bet you never contributed, and have no proof of ever contributing. You are just bad faith troll.

>>74691488
1. Travel Journal
2. The Kneeling Empress
3. Battle of Tsu-Xia

>>74692132
I'm not even the anon who suggested it, I'm just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy and favoritism at this point.

>>74692159
No.

>>74692150
I contributed to half a dozen nations and made a lot of the ethnic groups. Believe it or don't, doesn't change the fact that I did it.

>>74692073
This. I mean, look at half of the Necroswamper characters.

>>74690785
We could start work on the moons?

Anyone up for a map of one of them?

>>74692188
What nations, name them. Im sure you wouldn't lie

>>74692211
We've got more than enough nations that need to flesh out, the last thing we need to do is move on to a new map entirely.

>>74690858
put it on the wiki

>>74692204
>Necroswamper characters
Whats wrong with them? They are over the top sometimes, but its nothing to be negative about.

>>74692215
Farisian Republic, Itzil, Confederacy of High Bean Farmer Canton, Lahalia Merchant Republic and Janedi City-States. Your turn.

>>74691405
Souxi are found in the empire but also in Sweyus, the Ivory Kingdom, Hte'Orde , Qi-Fu and parts of Rams Head

>>74692238
Its already on the wiki

>>74692247
If you don't see the problem with a swarm of overpowered immortal superwizards in the same region, then I'm not sure what to say.

My favorite nations are the Khanate and the Tnz
Any lore for them?

>>74692275
what the fuck? Why are they so widespread? I swear they just get more mary sue every time I hear about them

>>74692273
>Im just anon that joined in, and wrote literaly harmless post in thread i were luring before
I guess you don't have the best reading comprehention.
But hey, atleast you added them.

>>74692301
No because people keep vetoing it because they can't stand their precious Souxi empire being challenged

>>74692328
Great, now either contribute something of value or get the fuck out.

>>74692298
>Immortal
Hardly
>overpowered
Thats the point of villain, they have to be overpowered
>in the same region
if they were spread out and not focused on each other they would be a problem

>>74692354
>Thats the point of villain, they have to be overpowered
No, villains do not have to be overpowered. They have to be a threat, but they do not have to be an omnipotent force that can't reasonably be defeated by anyone.

>>74692211
they are not named nor mapped yet.

>>74692387
They are defeated all the time by adventurers and each other

>>74692405
Let's not start on that until the base planet is somewhere close to completion.

>>74692337
There's a lot of lore for them you retarded fucker. Take the cock of your face and maybe you'll be able to fucking read

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OK, I propose we expand the setting a bit.

This will give new people joining a spot to stretch their creativity as well will give the Westerasi 'colonial' empires some actual place to colonie instead of tiny spots on the main continent.

This seemed like the most lorefriendly place to add a new continent.

I hope other anons agree.

>>74692413
Ah yes, that's why even the most recent ones are reanimated "merely" 400 years ago. Four hundred years really is all the time.

So many shitposters. We can call time of death on this.

>>74692151
The Kneeling Empress sets a bad precedent because we were not supposed to advance the setting it was supposed to be a snapshot.

Now the OP celestial EMpire is even more Op and the weak Tnz'qran raiders even weaker and more humiliated.

>>74692427
Please no, if we can't fluff out event one continent, project will die.

>>74692427
Absolutely not, we'd need to rewrite a hell of a lot of the colonialist countries in order to explain that. We should just focus on what we have right now and expand on it.

>>74692448
I'm sorry you didn't get to have a Tnz'qran being able to mind control a whole nation. I'm sure that would've not have made anyone a mary sue. It was just the ability to at will mindcontrol a whole country.

>>74692448
Deal with it, you absolute pansy.

>>74692438
>Now as a lichlord since an century
Youngest ones are little more than century old, and when you are immortal its basicaly all the time

>>74692459
>>74692466
Then how will you make the setting in any way more approachable to newfags?

>>74692448
People seemed to like The Kneeling Empress. The voice of the people count more than your voice. You can cry as much as you want about it, this isn't your setting. It's property of the collective and the collective rejects the /d/ mind control and enjoyed The Kneeling Empress.

>>74692504
You don't if gatekeeping anon is of any indication

>>74692504
We can't. It's reached the stage where we need to develop it, we can't just keep on piling on new countries.

>>74692496
A century is still far from all the time. You'd have a point if multiple liches were being slain and coming into power every year, but a lich lord dying is a rare event, quite obviously.

>>74692504
look at this thread. We don't need newfags that only are here for the easy stuff and don't want to read. We need people who are here and can't be bothered to read the lore to leave.

There's like, 7 anons that are actually active contributors, and there's 2 separate shitposters. The rest comes and goes. I'd rather have 5 dedicated anon and 0 shitposters than 12 dedicated anons and 4 shitposters. Newfags that need cuddling to join can just not join.

>>74692495
>>74692475
Ok, which year is it now then? 5004? How does that affect the rest of the setting?

Did the Uruzataar Khan die yet? People said the Celestial Empire was at the verge of collapse too did it collapse yet? Did westerasi colonial holdings expand? What about Ruskata did they loose more land or regain land? Did the Children of Itzil find enough ingredients to build a 2nd effigy?

I get you people are salty, but even if you want to write more Celestial power-wank we agreed to not advance the setting.

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>>74691218
Once again thanks for writting it, now its on wiki

Continuation of creation of Lichlords.
If you want create one on your own just pick their sphere of influence, and describe their lore in few (or more - no one stops you) sentences.
If You want to join, but can't find lore about necroswampers its all here:
https://gloriaetalia.fandom.com/wiki/Necroswampers

>>74692538
Your gatekeeping will be the absolute death of this project.

>>74692538
We really need new people imo.

>>74692546
I don't know. If you're so curious about that, why don't you write about it yourself rather than wait for us to do it?

Oh I know why, that's because you haven't actually contributed anything and you just want everyone else to produce the stories that you personally want.

>>74692553
Don't do it, you're just encouraging the shitposters to make some

>>74692536
>>74692553
Og author of necroswampers here. I intended them as a way for everyone to contribute to one nation, i tried to actively nerf them beforehand so they are isolated micrcosm of personalities.
But as always im open to suggestions, if you have idea that might make them better - write it. Contrary to other anons im not against revriting old lore that i written.

>>74692612
If I had it my way, I'd rewrite it from scratch, but we're not doing rewrites.

>>74692546
K'Elle'Han died in december 29th, 5000GE. We haven't advanced out of 5k yet.

>>74692653
And on December 30th, he got reanimated as a lich lord of the Necroswampers, still in possession of the Authority.

>>74692612
Man, don't listen to trolls. They are fine. They have been fine for a while now.

>>74692602
This

>>74692495
And this.

>>74692230
And this

>>74692132
And this

>>74692036
And this

>>74692626
Well, why don;t you do it anyway? If anons will like it more, as long as it won't retcon out all the characters added by other anons, and keep opennes i had in mind when creating them in first place, id gladly accept it, if it will make for better addition to the setting.
If you still don't wan't and rewrite, then why don't you change something you hate the most, or just propose something that will make them more tolerable? Im oppen to discuse it.

>>74692660
I wish you could see how happy I am that you are this mad.

>>74692697
Why not go with more minor characters, rather than immortal mage lords?

That's it. I'm making a discord channel and I'm send the invites through the wiki to people who actually contributed to the setting. Yall done did it.

>>74692681
>Man, don't listen to trolls. They are fine. They have been fine for a while now.
I know, i know, but i keept same atitude since thread one, and im not going to change it just because anon i talk to might be troll. If it sobvious grief then everyone will say no, so whats the damage? well maybe we will hit bump limit faster, but we already over it

>>74692703
You started this cycle. Every time you try to get rid of him, I'll just write a way for him to come back.

>>74692751
I love this. Please, more.

>>74692739
Well i sure as hell won't accept it. Since thread one i was all for the oppennes of it all, if you make discord server you let the trolls win. I won't let you kill all that we have worked to create.

>>74692769
That depends on how you're getting rid of Lich K'Elle'Han.

>>74692790
rocks fall everyone dies

>>74692574
... anon stop being bitchy. I was here since thread one.

We really should not advance the setting. Anything which goes past the year 5000 will be deleted off the wiki.

>>74692788
I'm eager to here your proposed solution to mindcontrol anon and barrier anon then. I am 100% in favor of not doing a discord if you can present a way to hel
Unshit this thread or avoid this happening in a future thread

>>74692807
We're not doing deletions. Anything you delete, I'll just restore.

>>74692653
> december
why do we have real world months

>>74692660
If they add the "Kneeling Empress" shit to canon then this is canon too.

>>74692790
I don't have to. He doesn't exist except in your fanfiction that nobody will care about. You aren't playing a game against me. You played by yourself and lost.

>>74692818
You can't. We have to ignore them, stop feeding them, and keep going full speed ahead. Atleast its how i see it.

>>74692836
Kneeling empress is canon is authority gene is canon. Your move.

>>74692834
> I am a little bitch who will throw a tantrum to destroy the whole project

>>74692838
If we're killing off the leaders of nations just because we don't like them, then suddenly the entire Westrasi Sea just died of plague.

>>74692850
by "you can't" i meant that its impossible to keep trolls away. Just clearing that one out

>>74692858
I'd rather retcon both than keep both in all honesty.

>>74692890
Happy with that, senpai

>>74692886
We had 17 threads so far. 15 of those had minimal shitposting and didn't suck. There must be a way, If not to keep them away, to manage them.

>>74692912
The way is to write more than they shitpost. Currently writing lore goes at a snails pace so shitposting is faster.

I really think most of the problems would be solved if we made this a weekly general.

>>74692912
Maybe some oldfags have better idea how to deal with them, because i don't.

>>74692866
You're the one doing the destruction. I'm just making sure the lore that's already been written remains.

>>74692940
/tg/ appreciates quality. That's why there was no trolling early on. People can to the threads and they saw they are fun and joined in.

Now people come to the threads and see that all we do is chat and argue, so they troll.

/tg/ is a litmus test. If it's more fun to contribute people will contribute, if it's more fun to troll they will troll. That's it...

>>74692940
If someone is being excessively negative, just don't interact with them plain and simple.

>>74692959
You literally are killing off a character which was there since thread 2 without permission from the Og author and making the Empress do a keikaku dori.

You are the same fag who threw a tantrum over the Celestial Empire trying to be defeated once 3000 years ago you fucking CCP shill.

>>74688818
>you do not personally get to say what gets excluded
The problems come when someone comes along and decides to improve things in the same way they "improve their toilet" every morning. In some cases it's because they're trolls, and in others it's because they're stupid autistic sperglords. It doesn't matter why; they've still got this great need to crap on everyone else's world-building. It's both disrespectful and asinine.

Some ideas that have been suggested just have to be told no. The mind-control thing in the Celestial Empire is one of those. It's just got too many problems with the in-setting consequences spinning out of control, and would definitely be an invitation for the wrong kind of fetish writing.

Other ideas can be kept if they're relocated into the correct time period. For example, the ideas in >>74683713 would work (in modified form) if the barrier was mainly there say in the years through to 2000, at which point it started to fail. By the point of year 5000 it's only present up a few mountains; trade is possible. BUT IT IS STILL HARD. It's a very high mountain range, with many peaks the same height as Everest on Earth or even higher (this has been established a few times). That's utterly brutal country to cross without oxygen gear, and nobody in the setting has that stuff any more (or are technobarbarians who don't really understand it and who aren't acting as mountain guides anyway). Similarly, nobody has got the capability of building a tunnel through the mountains; the scale of megaproject that would be is just off the charts relative to the technology practically available.

In short, some ideas are possible to take on, but they require care. Adding major world features at this stage isn't going to be an easy task.

The setting already has mind control as a ritual spell (it's a difficult and dangerous casting, so it is rarely used) and there's also a hive mind (Seem, though they prefer to keep to themselves).

>>74692971
Only 14 posters on this thread. I am guessing most of the "trolling" came from just one guy who flips out when he doesn't get his way, probably the same one as last time.

>>74692988
Aren't the 'Authority' author mind raping a character that has been there since thread 4 without permission from the OG author?

Curious on why do you think that's better somehow.

>>74692988
Maybe you shouldn't have tried to turn the character into someone with the ability to mind control an entire nation then, /d/ anon.

>>74693012
Because he doesn't mindrape anyone. He states that the K'elle'han is unaware of that power. So it's a looming danger the Empress needs to watch out for.

>>74693028
never did

>>74692273
Bullshit. I did the Janedi citystates.

>>74693062
Didn't the Janedi citystates get a rewrite, so there should be 2 authors.

It's like there is 2 Tnz'qran raider guys and 3 Glutton guys.

OK, I'll get to making the new thread.

>>74693102
Don't. Wait for the weekend. It'll just get trolled again.