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>>90413108

>TL;DR Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LxdaGoBlJRTMuziMDupG5TeeFwNDnsIW2pfaRAcFDgA
>Main Lore Doc, including links to anon-written short stories and additional lore in "Recommended..." section
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bRrxdD1BMLmcMDFeszwqg2Rcjrt8DDo7tjAxoOB6KQ8
>12e Doc, including tokens
https://app.mediafire.com/us7vnek39dc6k
>3e Rules Doc (READY FOR MORE PLAYTESTS)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14ZpHhEyUbjt-SCx2xuAd0lyh7Rs4J7rK5kHkljqykhk/
> Unit Spreadsheet - Currently outdated, requires an update
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rcleQtrT4Q0INiBW50-kq2ZXWJ-cjLOeVTLTJg_oX5E
>Unit Design Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n0X89OdMPXJKQGm6kYcOABjhjE4NZER1fvmpDmDX1JA

Replaced 1e doc since I think the doc is dead or out of date by the 2e link, 1e anon if you are still around please repost.

Getting ready for a test game with a buddy this weekend.
it seems like we're gonna do British vs Atlan, second edition.

Has this matchup been done before? I can't remember if we did British vs Atlan or British vs Atlantis.
I'll be taking an Analytical Engineer so we'll get to see a new unit there at least. And it makes me very smug to know the first real test of prophecy rules won't be a Lemurian unit.

>>90413134
>12e
Kek.
2e.
also
> old thread
>>90336310

And
>TQ Mu has recently led invasion forces in New York and Hokkaido. Any reason why? Wanna shitpost some lore about it?

and also
>>90408077
>What’s your idea of what Cromwell did?
I think what was mentioned early was that Cromwell lost the siege of Clonmel (as in rl) but way worse, and ended up fleeing up in disgrace, and half-mad. Hyperboreans took note of his singular hatred and capacity to cause Catholics and Irish pain and thought he might be a good addition to their ranks. *However, instead of ascending to the First Layer like other Historicals he ran AWOL into Agartha, digging deeper and trying to regrow his strengths in order to continue purging Ireland.*
Eventually he came to head with both Napoleon and Malcolm and when all three got into a fight took a blade in the back (I think the idea is that he inserted himself in the Napy vs Malcolm enmnity, proved he was way worse a dick than both and convinced them to work together to beat him). His defeat was compounded by the fact that he had a Memory Engine as part of his warband and got his soul sucked into it. He managed to escape from it and came back, although now he is a broken shell, devoid of personality or will. He may still lead a mindless horde of monsters reflexively or has his string pulled by the Hyperboreans completely at this point.
* * indicates stuff I'm shitposting to adapt to newer lore, but I think it holds. If there isn't much and it sounds very Marvelesque, it is kinda intended, and kinda not. The intentional part is that it is supposed to refer to early lore where things where a lot more high-profile, focused on the Big Names of the setting, and after that only it shifts more to personal expeditions non-meta stuff. And also because not everyone wanted to include Cromwell. There was already Napoleon and Malcolm and we didn't just want every big bad to be a historical big name who had discovered Agartha.

>>90413307
>Getting ready for a test game with a buddy this weekend.
You inspired me, you beautiful soul, I will do the same and print images on hexes.
>it seems like we're gonna do British vs Atlan, second edition.
Make sure to reload Brits to 0.3, I just uploaded it with the latest weapon profiles. Atlan is on the old system for melee weapons I realize. When will you be playing? If its any time after 16 EST tomorrow I should be able to update it by then. Otherwise you can use the melee weapons from the mercenary book they would work... but not the special weapons : /

>>90413431
Aw fuck it give me half an hour and I'll get it done.

>>90413440
no rush dude it'll be at least 20 hours, likely more. And that's assuming my buddy doesn't flake.

>>90413714
It's done! Hopefully it works well. I should be around tomorrow evening if you have questions. Stuff like terrain and wall hexes are currently mostly left to your discretion, add them or not, workers are not 100% necessary if you don't and even if there are walls, you may still get away with just troops, just not as fast.
And to answer your question,
>>90413307
>Has this matchup been done before? I can't remember if we did British vs Atlan or British vs Atlantis.
No, Brits vs Atlan will be a first, there was Brits vs Atlantis, Ottomans vs Atlans and I think one other which I don't remember.

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>>90413108
Another TQ because why not.
> Last thread we came up with Martians, Hyperwarriors and "Historicals" as subfactions for Hyperboreans, what should be others?

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>>90414130
There was that sub-faction of metropolis inspired Super-Troopers and Super/Ubermen we talked about a few threads ago.

>>90413108

https://www.forgottenfutures.com/game/ should they be informed of

>>90414313
Why would we?

>>90414130
I personally think we should have actual Martians and other aliens as, well, aliens subjugated by/warring with the Hyperboreans and potential allies/enemies for the surfacers. The Deepfolk of the Firmament, so to speak. So the "Martian" Hyperborean faction (what kind of other name would work? Technosadists? Paingineers?) could be the ones who destroyed the Martian civilization and took their technology. Tripods could be piloted by real Martians permanently encased in them, their minds broken and reduced to a robotic state by constant application of PAIN that only slightly subsides when they obey psychic orders and destroy targets.

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>>90414824
I mean, I remember aliens being mentioned a while back as something the Hyperboreans feared, and I had a thought. If other worlds have layers, like agartha, and Hyperborea is the outermost one, then the first alien life you'd encounter upon arriving at another planet, would be that planet's equivalent of hyperborea. So, you could honestly have the alien faction be invader from another world's hyperborea, or the result of some sort of alliance (which happens exclusively because there's too many differences between th humans and the Aliens for either to get anything out of torturing the other.)

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>>90413316
>Mu has recently led invasion forces in New York and Hokkaido. Any reason why? Wanna shitpost some lore about it?
Mu found itself briefly at peace with all of its neighbors. As a consequence, this left many young Muic riders unable to pursue glory on the back of a Saur, and so they decided to explore higher layers in search of fresh prey.

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>>90420002
I like that.
>>90413108
Didn't have much inspiration for the Imaterii "magic" so I just went with the whole "immaterial" thing.

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REJECT MODERNITY
EMBRACE GORG

>>90421887
I missed you, pal.

>Hyperborea should be something undefinable and beyond words
>Hyperborea should be a playable faction (and thus with definable units, rules, etc)

At one point we'll have to solve the conundrum.

>>90422333
Simple. Hyperborea itself is, at best, a terrain hazard. Hyperboreans are usable units and, for the most part, are relegated to the status of "freaky mercenaries following a more normal expedition around"

>>90422460
Then we would still need to standardize mercenaries. I am also skeptical of liberal uses of mercenaries - we need to be parsimonious with the soup.

>>90414130
mormons and jehovahs witnesses

>>90422333
One other way to go about it would be to have defined units with defined lore, but a sort of authorial rule saying you have to represent Hyperborea differently every time. That way nothing is consistent by design, but we can still include them as a playable force.
>>90422460
>are relegated to the status of "freaky mercenaries following a more normal expedition around"
That could be it until we get a better feel for the faction.
>>90422758
>Then we would still need to standardize mercenaries.
If I'm not mistaken there were only 2 units of mercs for 1e, 2e has a bunch with a 50% cap rules and their own faction restrictions on most. For the most part I went for very slightly better but more specialized profiles than standard in-faction troops, at the cost of lower Discipline.
>I am also skeptical of liberal uses of mercenaries
I agree but a lot of the units have in faction synergy you won't find with Mercenaries. I don't think you are going to break this game through mixing units unless you get to the point of Napoleon. Mercs will I think be mostly useful in Campaigns when you might want to throw some dudes at an enemy you can dismiss easily afterwards, and leave your core troops fresh longer, or with the Characters & Specialist, where you add just a tiny bit of flavor to your game.
Stuff like the Speleologist we have to be careful about, but a few models "Deep Striking" isn't the end of the world.

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>>90420002
>Mu found itself briefly at peace with all of its neighbors
I really like this, but the only issue with this is picrel...
So...
Yeah...
Also whoever settles here sure as fuck wasn't born lucky.

>>90423367
>I don't think you are going to break this game through mixing units unless you get to the point of Napoleon
I don't mind people listbuilding efficiently, I am just worried the flavor of what makes each faction individual and unique could be dissolved or reduced by merc spam if mercs become too convenient.

>>90423219
Now that'd be an idea for some cults in Agartha. Missions to convert the gorgs and morlocks gone horribly wrong...

>>90422175
gorgs never die
they merely slumber

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Tried out this new Dall-E stuff. Pretty good I reckon.

>>90426305
He knows...
Fuck we could probably AI a shitton for this thread.

bump the thread, it's what I do
bump the thread, just for (you)

Can someone post all the maps we have?

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>>90426305
>>90428635
Depending on the look it might fit weirdly well.
This is pretty darn good.
I remember looking at picrel one for the Atlan Immortals and thinking it wasn't too far off.
>>90428661
>Can someone post all the maps we have?
Which ones, world or gameplay?

>>90428819
>Which ones, world or gameplay?
The layer maps, I mean. Of each layer.

>>90426305
I demand a four-horned gorg in the style of Aubrey Beardsley

>>90429348
Gorgs, Italians, Japanese and Lemurians (especially for the face-hole Prophets) would be a good fit.

>>90429847
Volcano pagan italians definitely sounds like a top candidate.

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>>90428919
I had to go back in the archive to find them, but here it is. Europe will probably be outdated.

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>>90429937
Sweet. If anyone knows any territory updates please mention those too.

>>90429957
We gonna have to remove large pieces of Doggerland to turn it into an island proper, but otherwise the only other thing I see right now is the section of France being reshaped should be a hell of a lot smaller.

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>>90429348
Now you KNOW that Frazetta is the way to go with Gorgs.

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>>90429935
Huh, this came out way fucking better than I expected.
> one Volcano in the background
> one on the mind.

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>>90430092

just about to try the test game, we'll see if we can get past three turns or not (Neither of us have played a wargame before)

>>90431434
>>90430775
Jesus Christ, you absolute unit.
Godspeed.
I'm gonna keep checking if you have questions!

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>>90428635
We probably could. This new image creator is amazing with what it can do with just a sentence or two. I'm going to try do a few other things like gorgs and then post them here, but I won't be doing too much so the thread doesn't turn into AI spam.

>>90431586
is cover just a +1 bonus? I'm having trouble figuring it.

>>90431915
Yup, for the moment that's all.
I will make it more obvious, thank you for this feedback and any like it.

I think we both forgot to buy weapons for all our soldiers so we've handwaved it (We were intending to do a 100 silver match but adding in all the equipment we forgot brings it to 150 most likely)

Also, does successful armor save totally negate damage or just reduce it a category?

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>GAME SUMMARY: (WE GOT TO TURN 3!)
>Map making. We randomly place terrain and try to keep it out of deployment zones.
>Deployment begins. We're not entirely sure of how to do it, so we just eyeball it
>FIGHT!

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>>90432251
>Turn 1:
>Grant uses his ability to make everyone move to TERRIFYING EFFECT
>Potshots are taken, but the rough riders roll poorly and none hit
>The British score a few hits, and almost bring a rider down. Line fire is fun!
>The effects of evasion rules prove a little confusing (Are they needed on non-dodging units with simple health? Since hit location is irrelevant with those if I understand correctly)
>One private moves down to put up a barricade, the knights and general join him
>The trapper puts up traps, takes a hit in the process
>The Analytical Engineer puts down the computer and rolls well on computing, gets to do a prophecy turn 1
>I try to alter fate on Grant, it fails and he gets to move closer

>>90432055
>Also, does successful armor save totally negate damage or just reduce it a category?
Totally negates it for now.
>>90432251
Man you've made my day.
I'll make sure to make Deployment more clear. Probably should do a "Turn Structure" table anyways since I'm working on NPC and they need their own phase.
I'll also add some ressources for maps online, Owlbear + Shamat would probably have made set up & gameplay faster.
I hope you got time to get at least a Prophesy out : /

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>>90432315
>TURN 2:
>One of the knights is slashed by a rider, his armor does little to help him. He attempts to retaliate but has worse melee stats than the Analytical Engineer
>The trapper sets up another trap, but he's charged by a wounded rider and almost stuck down by a saber
>Line fire brings down the rider, and with the path clear a very lucky shot gets grant square in the head, killing him
>The Americans are only at 4 dread, but decide to cut their losses and start pulling out
>Another lucky roll on computing, and I double up on the "rush calculations" ability (Am I allowed to double up on abilities if I have the AP for it?)
>Try altered fate again, roll shit, and this time the two failed rolls and a high differential failure roll cause the machine to injure itself and the Engineer. The opponent uses this to pull a rider further away
>

>>90432315
>>The effects of evasion rules prove a little confusing (Are they needed on non-dodging units with simple health? Since hit location is irrelevant with those if I understand correctly)
The Armour Rating of locations are different, so (usually) if you roll a better Evasion result than the attack, even if you didn't Dodge, you'll get a better save.
However desu in this matchup its almost completely irrelevant. You both have paper thin armour and good enough guns that Armour should almost always be down to 0 or nearly there. In those cases, the ranged hit resolution becomes *real* quick.
>>One private moves down to put up a barricade, the knights and general join him
> Using Buildings on the first go, on top of Walls and Pits
If you are single and into French women I have two sisters you could marry. I mean one is already married but I'll arrange it, for (you).
>The Analytical Engineer puts down the computer and rolls well on computing, gets to do a prophecy turn 1
Yup, that'll do.

>>90432371
>(Am I allowed to double up on abilities if I have the AP for it?)
Yes!

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>>90432371
>TURN 3:
>Some more potshots are taken, but eventually everyone gets out of range of eachother
>(I could have used the Major Generals ability to chase them down but I was already winning and wanted to be a gentleman about it)
>CASUALTIES: 1 rough rider, 1 Grant, 0.5 Trappers, 0.5 Knights, 0.25 Analytical Engineers, 0.25 Analytical Engines
Believe it or not this was my first ever wargame! I've had a 40k army in the works for two years but I love kitbashing and hate painting so it'll never be done.
Also my opponent's first ever wargame since they usually play dungeon crawling tabletop with me.
We definitely fucked up with equipment purchasing, ended up with more boys than we should have had I think
Terrain rules were fun to use and get with, and I liked the you-go I-go approach with model activation.

Evasion rules were confusing (We weren't sure if Grant got shot in the limbs or head, I got a 6 to hit with a skill of 6 and opponent got a 9 on evasion, which was a failure)
A lot of fun had and I definitely want to play more. I think a cowboy list or maybe an Atlantis grenadier one would be cool to try next.
Thank you 2e anon for making this possible!

Also we used google jamboard which is free, janky, and in-browser. I use it for all my online games.

>>90432431
>Evasion rules were confusing (We weren't sure if Grant got shot in the limbs or head, I got a 6 to hit with a skill of 6 and opponent got a 9 on evasion, which was a failure)
You did it right. Failure counts as 0 in this case.
>A lot of fun had and I definitely want to play more.
That's what I wanted! Thanks a lot for this and for all the feedback, I will work on improving the doc based on it. Extend my thanks to your friend too please, he sounds like a fine lad.

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Here's what I went with for the Psychic Herrerausaurus (renamed it to fit the X-Saur and save space). Cost and Profile stats are probably going to change highly on this one, I have no clue yet how strong allowing to recruit Saurs or spamming NPC will be.
Might work something in later so that Saurs target his Expedition less often too, seems like it would fit the theme.

>>90429937
This one's waaaaaay outdated.

>>90433663
I dug up one which mentioned Zealandia...?
That was before I came in, and I came in pretty early.
Deep lore.

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>>90433629
I'm reviewing Mu right now and apart from Heroes and the finishing touches its pretty much done, so with this in mind, 2 questions :
> 1) What kind of weird grafts/experiments have the Old Mu done to their Heroes? Someone mentioned the Tongue-Eating Louse thingy, works well for Morlocks, but what else? Psysaur Brain Swap?
> 2) What do I go for next? Italians or Lemurians seems the most obvious, but I am opened to suggestions. We could start working on Hyperboreans too, even if its just as Mercs.

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A gorg, by Frank Frazetta.

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>>90433786
> 1) What kind of weird grafts/experiments have the Old Mu done to their Heroes? Someone mentioned the Tongue-Eating Louse thingy, works well for Morlocks, but what else? Psysaur Brain Swap?
Well, sprouting tentacles and grappling with them seems like a must. A heart of stone that makes one immune to morale rules? An eye that let's you see stealthed units (has anyone figured out the way to implement stealth yet?) Could also make some mechanic for taking the body parts of elite enemies for stat boosts. I think there should also be more stuff that's about transcending the limitations imposed by reality and such. Phasing through walls, bending ranged attack trajectories so you don't need LOS and ignore cover, etc.
>2) What do I go for next? Italians or Lemurians seems the most obvious, but I am opened to suggestions. We could start working on Hyperboreans too, even if its just as Mercs.
Well, the Italians already have lots of shit prepared both in 3e and the design doc.
Speaking of Italy, a minor timeline thing. Charles actually had his on plans for partitioning Italy that he discussed with Cavour, including planting a Bonaparte on the throne of the Two Sicilies. And Pius IX, as far as I know, was not entirely opposed to the idea of kicking the Austrians out. He even asked them out in 1848, albeit politely. So what if the Crusade against the Duosicilians in 1851 was actually pitched to the Pope and Sardinia by Charles as a way to secure the Two Sicilies for a pro-French king? The idea being to lay the groundwork for the expulsion of Austrians from Italy and implement the rest of his plan. Since they'd still fail it's largely inconsequential, but it would give a very serious reason for Austria not to participate. That way, we can kill off Franz Joseph later, in 1853 with an actual historical assassination attempt, instead of awkwardly squishing in his death and Maximilian's ascension right before the Crusade.

>>90436459
>So what if the Crusade against the Duosicilians in 1851 was actually pitched to the Pope and Sardinia by Charles as a way to secure the Two Sicilies for a pro-French king? The idea being to lay the groundwork for the expulsion of Austrians from Italy and implement the rest of his plan.
This makes a lot of sense within the lore itself right now since Charles ended up stepping down from politics as a result of the Crusade failing. Before it was more just the whiplash of the failure making him unelectable but if he's the mind behind the Crusade and it culminated in the Fall of Rome and the Pope's exile, you can see how a lot of folks would turn against him.

>>90421887
WHAT GORG DO?

>>90436066
Not a fan of the halfling barbarian look myself, but I'll admit I haven't had much better results.
> Type in "brutish barbarian wearing a helmet with 4 horns carrying a woman over his shoulder"
> Obtain 2 gay-looking barbarians hugging each, one with another man's head jutting out of his mid-chest, all 3 with 2 antlers coming out of their heads, and they are all smiling like a bunch of cunts.
I mean that's obviously 6 horns. Fucking AI can't even count single digits properly.

>>90431724
>in the frozen Agarthan wastes, he waits
>For what? Only time will tell..

Definitely try 1880s Italian soldiers riding surfboards on volcanoes in the style of Noriyoshi Ohrai

>>90430020
>Perfect green helmet with the perfect horns
He must be one of those legendary Giant Gorgs though.

>>90438464
GORG EAT
GORG SLEEP
GORG REPEAT

>>90430092
>>90430099
Include Surfing into the prompts.

>>90431434
>>90430775
Hell yeah!

>>90432371
>>One of the knights is slashed by a rider, his armor does little to help him. He attempts to retaliate but has worse melee stats than the Analytical Engineer
JFC.
I was gonna say something like "that's intended, Knights of Britannia are college students who took old armors and decided to go LARP into Agartha", but then I checked again and the PDF version for Mercs is out of date, I think a loss of power ate some updates I made at some point. So the KoB are supposed to suck but not that hard.
I'll get to fix it right now.
Sorry bout that.

With all this Gorgposting I want to point out that a Gorg has 3 strength and a BAP has 5 in second edition
>Gorgs Btfo (Please fix)

>>90440930
I was just making a post about that when you addressed it. Prophecy real? You beat me by twenty seconds!
Bless you 2e anon.

>>90440935
for the gorg, its not about who is stronger
its about who wins

>>90441018
Well, one person is going to be doing grievous wounds with a bayonet and the other is going to be doing deep wounds with a battleaxe.
So unfortunately for the moment, the British is both stronger and more likely to win

>>90440935
Kek.
Add it to the list.
>>90441018
>for the gorg, its not about who is stronger
I mean, they are supposed to be face-tearing strong. 3 in the old version would translate to 8 in the new one.
Gotta go run and do some errands but it will be fixed tonight.

>>90441118
>>90441049
>>90440935
Oh also, there was mention early on that the Gorg's thing might be knocking back/pushing models with attacks.
Should I include a basic "push" action in, maybe have a way to wrap it into a charge action instead of doing damage, and give Gorgs a bonus to it so its more reliable/effective (bonus to the test to see if you knockback and/or bonus to how far it knockbacks)?

>>90441375
I vote for a gorg-specific ability.
Maybe give it to one or two other large dudes.

>>90442350
>>90440935
Fixed and uploaded. I noticed too late the ranged weapon list is not complete so that's another thing to fix.
>>90436459
>Well, sprouting tentacles and grappling with them seems like a must. A heart of stone that makes one immune to morale rules? An eye that let's you see stealthed units (has anyone figured out the way to implement stealth yet?) Could also make some mechanic for taking the body parts of elite enemies for stat boosts. I think there should also be more stuff that's about transcending the limitations imposed by reality and such. Phasing through walls, bending ranged attack trajectories so you don't need LOS and ignore cover, etc.
Thanks a lot that's great inspiration!

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>>90444365
Kek, that's about as good as I got.
The AI really doesn't get the concept of surfing DIRECTLY on the lava.

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So, since I'm working on NPC, how do we feel about multi-hex monsters? I had brought up the question a few threads ago but I don't think it was answered. With hexmaps its hard to work anymore complex a imprint than picrel, but doing this I think would work.

>>90444888
I say that you make it so the token is in the shape of 7 hexes instead of only half-covering some of them.
Multi-hex monsters are great though, especially since it opens the doors to other multi-hex creations like buildings or vehicles.

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>>90444503
Here we go, I don't think it's going to get much better.

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>>90445333
Yup, that's the one. Thanks a lot!
> meanwhile, a billion hours spent in paint 3d figuring out the mask thing for tokenstamp...
I'll figure out how to make a proper border tomorrow but does this work well in the meantime?

>>90445669
Looks good!

>>90445333
>gets trips
>with that image
holy fuck its perfect

>>90444365
.... i like the hats

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> A NEW CHALLENGER APPEARS!
Notes :
1) The rules to survive entering Magma hexes will be on the Asbestos Suit, the Board will also include the "spend 1AP to set as Cover" and a bonus movement for going on Magma tiles.
2) There are currently no rules for Fire damage in 2e, usually in these wargames its a conditions that either expires or does damage each turn, is that what I should go for?
3) I realize now the term in the doc is "volcanic" terrain instead of "magma", should I stick with that?
4) Cost is up in the air right now because I don't know how much Magma/Volcanic tiles will spread around.

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Weakest Malcolmite

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Worked in a Climb action into the "Uncommon Actions" of the rule's doc, will add pictures to it too to explain the process.
I made it so that you need a special rule or Climbing Gear to do it. It allows you to enter a Wall hex as long as its adjacent to a non-wall hex. Will in one you can only move 1 per AP and to another Wall adjacent to an open hex or out of a Wall hex. You are considered visible while so. You have to succeed a Str test, and if you fail while in a Wall, you fall into the adjacent open hex.

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>>90446474
> The Alpini manages his climbing test and can enter either adjacent wall hexes.

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>>90446482
> From his current position he can move to any of the Wall hex except the one directly above him.
He again succeeds his Str test.

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>>90446495
> Having spent his AP, the Alpini gives his turn to the Royal Magma Rider which uses his Radical Move rule to simply jump the wall hex, has he has both a magma tile before and after it.

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>>90446505
> RADICAL

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>>90446516
> Sadly, the Rider's sick moves distracted the Alpini, who now attempts to Climb to the hex directly above him. He fails his Str test however, and must now be placed in one of the hexes adjacent to that one.
Let's hope he has the Volcano Spirit's favour!

>>90446516
DO A FLIP!

>>90446546
kek.
Would need to figure out what Magma/Volcano tiles do as well.

>>90446898
I've suggested before to have Volcanic tiles do damage and have separate Magma pits that are straight up lethal. The surfer could use his stuff on both.

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Man, this AI shit veers hard into Tzeentch territory no matter what. I tried to get it to generate a group of Hyperwarriors repeatedly and it just kept going space marines.

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>atlan schizo has been downvoting all the threads to the -20s
Holy kek. At least it seems like he's finally given up (knock wood)

>>90449087
We gotta see the silver lining.
Everyone of those clicks could have been a troll post asking us to make the KKK or Nazis a real playable faction.

Jesus fucking Christ /tg/ is fast these days.

I started working again on the Timeline, in regards to the Paraguay War, do we follow the same rl events, i.e. started in 64, US got involved with the Buchanan Expedition in 68?
Also, this is probably something I should have cleared up long ago, but Malcolm... Is he one of the original real Malcolms, and if so, which one?

>>90449087
lmfao the fuck even is this?

>>90451840
If possible try to follow real life timelines as far as you can, up to the point where it would conflict with the current lore.
Its an easy way to avoid at least some anachronisms.

>>90451006
Yeah every board is being spammed with aigen bots.

2e anon here.
I'm this fucking close to just throwing the towel.
Is anyone interested in picking up the 2e rule writing role?
This board is becoming unusable and apparently that's what the jannies wants.

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>>90452297
No worries man, you've gone above and beyond the call of duty already.
I don't know much about writing unit rules, but I'll sure as hell keep playing the game and posting my results.
Now have this Victoria Cross I stole from a graveyard and take a well-deserved rest.

>>90451840
Buchanan Expedition happened in 58 though. The Incident and the American intervention happen after the sacking of Asuncion by the Triple Alliance forces, so 1870. Before that it's the same Paraguayan War.

>>90451006
>>90452010
>>90452297
Yeah, I'll admit I've participated in them, but the guys who post in them don't take my advice to wait a bit once the threads hit image limit before starting the new one.
Hopefully mods do something about it soon.

>>90452297
>This board is becoming unusable and apparently that's what the jannies wants.
For fucking real. The AI spam is kind of ruining every board right now.
If you want to take a break its all good though man, we'll do our best to carry on while you chill.

>>90454698
>8 fucking ai /slop/ threads up right now
Holy shit. Jannies not doing their jobs, as usual. We should cut their pay until board quality improves.

>>90457324
>People keep making new threads despite others urging them to let the old ones die first
>One dude is spamming random images from his hard drive to get the threads to bump limit faster so that jannies will do something about /slop/
This shit has to end. I say this as a /slop/ enjoyer.

>>90457324
>>90457337
its on every board. Every single one has like 3-10 garbage threads that aren't even off topic

like look at this shit "post tg related AI art"
as if ai art is a fucking tabletop game fuck off, go to /g/

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> "I was there, lad. The great Slop Flood of 1823. We had just reached the 4th. Suddenly every path, every caves and crevasses started filling with the dammed Slop, turning folks mad as it went about. Our own lookouts, the jannies (that's what we called the jannissaires, you see), betrayed us, tempted by the lure of the Slop. We all went mad, in truth. It drove us deeper and deeper faster. Eventually even time warped, and descents that should have taken days or weeks took hours. "
> Overheard conversation between Eldest Guard Ambroise Voutier and some recruit, circa 1873

>>90459048
>The term "grognard" means something like "grumbler" and was an honor awarded to members of the old guard, permitting them to complain even in front of Napoleon himself
Based Bonaparte?

>>90448407
the hyperborean aesthetic is certainly strange
Try adding Pulp Art / Pulp Sci Fi Art or something

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>>90460255
Here you go. Prompt: group of rainbow coloured soldiers with gasmask, glowing, technicolour, retrofuturism, pulp art, new wave science fiction, disco, wasteland

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>>90460413
And the tabletop version: group of rainbow coloured soldiers with gasmask, glowing, technicolour, retrofuturism, pulp art, new wave science fiction, disco, wasteland, tabletop miniature

>>90460431
honestly coloured plastic isn't the most difficult thing to manage
looks glow in the dark somewhat too? Would be a cool gimmick.

>>90446248
Kinda sad that the first unit being made is the one I didn't specifically design. Then again lava surfing is kind of a flagship meme for the Italians.

>>90464045
I didn't intend it to be that way, sorry about that.
I might have some time to work on it today.
And if you wanted me to work on a specific profile or in an order I don't mind, it'd just be easier if you provide the picture for the token tho.

>>90465402
I appreciate the effort actually! For tokens you can use either the stuff already posted in these threads or stand-in art, I think for now WIPs are more than enough.

>>90448407
I do like how the lead fighter's main weapon is a toiletbrush-sword

>>90468071
You don't want to know what he's gonna clean with that.

>>90469702
...maybe I do...

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>>90469739
>five seconds after finding out what he's gonna clean

>>90464045
Worked a bit on the Duosicilians today.
1) In regards to adding Fire Damage to the game, I was thinking we could make it a simple test where a model affected by it must Save on all its Locations, and for each Location save take / (although in this case the Severity increases per additional saves lost instead of doing a second and third /).
2) Also, a few abilities from the Duosicilians refers to Sacrifice as a way to reset them. I was thinking that we could wrap all of those together into a type of ability (call it Volcanic Favour for example). Using any of those you have access to means you can't use the others until you do a Sacrifice. I hesitate to allow Sacrifice to be turned into a Pool because I think it makes it more strategically interesting to have to plan correctly, but ymmv... and having a Pool could allow some "this ability requires 3 Sacrifice to be used etc etc)"
3) For Volcanic Terrain, I went with : Passable, Difficult Terrain, May be Voluntarily Move into, but if you end a Movement in one you have to take Fire Damage. Does that work?
4) We need Leadership Abilities for Pepe and probably a few other models.

>>90471915
>and for each Location save take
for each Location save *failed*.
So 1 failure take /
2 failures take X
3 failures takes Grievous

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Nothing super fancy to see here.

>>90472996
Seems good. Simple units fill out the armies well.

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Art is obviously temporary on this one. Cost may end up changing a bit, 4 Movement troops flies across the board pretty darn quick, even if its stuck with doing Melee to get it.

To the anon who made the Duosicilians, are all the units in the Units doc? I seem to remember some names I don't see there, I'm starting to wonder if I'm not going by another list than the latest one you made.
> Guglielmo
> Bersaglieri
> Alpini
> Carabinieri
> Arditi
> Janara Hag
> Janara Initiate
> Royal Magma Riders
> Magma Mining Crew
> Ask-Marked Slaves
Is that it? I feel like I'm missing a bunch.

>>90471915
>>90473349
The ones in the unit design doc are just something I've tried to adapt from the ideas for Italian units posted in the thread (Magmade Ritualist etc.), so any "mechanics" they have may very well be not worth keeping. In any case the idea was to try and make terrain control and sacrifices into a gimmick. The units Tripbro made are in the 3e doc and seem better designed since they had a concrete system in mind. We could probably work something out to combine the best ideas.
For example, his 'Cackle" feature for the Janara spellcasting would allow to circumvent the potentially tedious tracking that would be required for adding/removing volcanic tiles. So maybe instead of them having duration, have them stay on the board for one turn, but allow extending the duration indefinitely by 'Cackling'? Lots of material there to work with.
>1)
First thing that comes in mind is how will Fire affect the simple health track models? A simpler, but not necessarily better method would be to just implement some sort of resistance system, where some types of damage are harder to roll Armor saves against, unless you have the specific resistance.
>2)
So you have a max 1 sacrifice at the time, but any units with such abilities can spend this point? I don't really have any objections to that.
>3)
Pretty much what I had in mind.
>4)
For Pepe, how about something like
>'Flames of Revolution' - Targeted friendly unit is filled with explosive revolutionary fervour and becomes immune to morale rules. It can be commanded to explode in an AOE fire attack and will do so automatically if it is slain or 3 turns pass.

>>90474497
thanks for this, will look into them.

>>90474497
>the simple health track models
It actually works better for simple health track models. Its not "take a / to each of the locations on which you failed", its "test for each location, take 1 wound of varying severity based on how many locations failed".
Not sure if its viable I was just thinking of a way to differentiate it really.

>>90479591
Yeah, I get it now. I think that works.

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Got some work done on the Italians. Regarding the Sacrifice thing they've got going on, here is what I went with. Blanket special rule for the whole faction.

Special Action “Sacrifice” (1 AP) : Contrary to other Factions, Duosicilians may be able to target the members of their own Expeditions with Attacks in order to sacrifice them to the Volcano Spirits. Leaders and Characters in your Expedition may all use this Action by default (other models may do so thanks to a special rule ex : Carabinieri).
If the target is a Friendly model, before resolving the Attack, test the Target model’s Discipline. If successful, the model is immediately killed. If failed, resolve an Attack as usual but your opponent rolls for the target model’s Defense and Armour Saves.
This action may also target enemy models if they are currently on a Volcanic Terrain hex. If so, resolve this action as you would any other Melee & Ranged Attack or Charge Action. You may also retroactively declare that any Action causing an enemy model to forcefully end a Movement in a Magma hex counts as a Sacrifice (no additionnal AP needs to be spent).
The Sacrifice is only successful if the target model is killed or removed from play as a result.

BTW Tripbro the compound effect of many of the rules is pretty darn OP. Only way I see to balance this is to otherwise make the units themselves have pretty mediocre stats. So, this ain't me having some hateboner for Italians.

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>>90485688
and the Comandante, which is incomplete. It needs at least one more Leadership Ability.
Also, Tripbro, for the Appanage rule, in 2e all models can take 2 Equipment by default, 2 Weapons and 1 Mount. Equipment refers to Rations, Material for Construction, Torches, etc. I assume you want the Appanage to be a bit more badass than just `he`s able to take one more Ration than usual``.
So, am I right to think this would translate well into
> This model may purchase one additional Weapon or Equipment from any Colonial Faction list.
?
Also, I'm not there yet, but looking forward to the Janara Magic rule system, the Compact of Doors rule... I don't really see a point to having it be a simple restriction to Recruitment rules (besides forcing you to pay for redundancy). But we could make it into something which has a bit of strategic impact pretty easily by turning it into a bonus to the casting test if you have an even number of models with the rule. That way there's at least something going on dynamically, you can always recruit an uneven number but if we make the bonus high enough its going to turn into a question of keeping an even number alive (with the added hilariousness that sometimes you might want to throw an initiate in a Magma hex to keep things even).
Your thoughts?

>>90485802
For the Comandante's additional abilities, I'm thinking we could use the same mechanic as Ammuina (wtf does that mean btw?), meaning the "cost +1 AP each time", and have another Action/Passive which resets the AP counter... ?

>>90474497
>For example, his 'Cackle" feature for the Janara spellcasting would allow to circumvent the potentially tedious tracking that would be required for adding/removing volcanic tiles.
That's one thing I was going to remove pretty immediately as soon as I saw it. Was just going to make them permanent, but now that I'm getting a better idea of how much they will spawn, maybe the Cackle thing will work.
I was gonna go with just "make them permanent, but not common enough that you can spam them all over the place, and if maybe you can, then you still would end up Sacrificing ~1/2 your Expedition to do so."
Not sure now.
>>90474497
>>'Flames of Revolution' - Targeted friendly unit is filled with explosive revolutionary fervour and becomes immune to morale rules. It can be commanded to explode in an AOE fire attack and will do so automatically if it is slain or 3 turns pass.
Absolute kek, love this. Jesus fucking Christ I think the Italians might pretty much be factually worse than Atlan and Mu combined.

bump

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So I've been thinking of working more on the map and I have to ask: have we actually settled on where the Alph is? The doc has a brainstorming section with Tigris, Orkhon and others suggested, but it was never made clear. Also how should it work? Should it just be a series of rivers on different Layers that flow like normal rivers flowing into the sea, but allow you to sail them into a different Layer somehow? Maybe it could flow upwards and end up in the Hazar lake, source of the Tigris, or whatever we settle on. Should it also flow into Hyperborea somehow, so it flows through literall ALL the Layers?

>>90490932
>have we actually settled on where the Alph is?
No, I don't think so. We haven't really talked about geography that much lately, thanks for bringing it up.
There are already one or two downward waterway path that mentions ecluses I think. Otherwise the descent slope could be just flat enough that it is practicable, and wrap around huge regions of the Layers and the crust sections.
I don't see any reason (I mean, beside physics, which we shouldn't care too much about anyways) that we couldn't have upwards waterway too. Just some of those cases of physics not making much sense in Agartha.
>>90490932
>Should it also flow into Hyperborea somehow, so it flows through literall ALL the Layers?
Maybe the myth says that it runs all the way down beyond the 9th Layer and then Loops into the 1st? Maybe that is one of the major source of the Loop myth in past times?

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Also, we never settled on Lady Guenevievre's role as a model. Initially she was thought up as a mostly useless character/leader for Mercs which would work as a mediocre buffer for Knight of Britannia troops (she was just a pretty girl wearing medieval dresses and convincing horny college students to go on Expeditions with her). I liked that a lot myself, but other anons mentioned it would be funnier to have her as the one competent knight in the KoB surrounded by dumb larpers.
If we go for first choice, is pic related good? Its the only one I felt worked from the slop threads.
> crawl through 15 slop threads for pictures that could work.
> save 3 pics.
lol.

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>>90492636
I would say maybe a good duelist and a shit leader, but I think that might make her a bit too much of a discount Pearlescent Princess.

>>90494395
Would it really? Pearl is pretty much the opposite: great morale booster, but with very limited, glass cannony melee utility. Guinevere's original blurb straight up describes her as a discount Atlan Immortal, so I think we could make her an actual knight-type melee combatant.

>>90494725
>Guinevere's original blurb straight up describes her as a discount Atlan Immortal, so I think we could make her an actual knight-type melee combatant.
a discount Atlan Immortal *Leader*, which is not really something that exists as of yet. Like a slightly worse Atlan Warmaster?
Mercs (or Brits) don't really have a "tankish" leader so giving her heavy armor could work.

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>>90494725
>>90494395
so, more like this?

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> "Gypsy worshiping a volcano erupting"
> Get this
Lol I guess in between throwing dissidents into volcanos and forcing your gen pop to mine magma fields, you need some "morale" boost...
> Every other result are anime girls or pictures of empty church with an anime-looking Virgin Mary coming out of a Volcano in place of the Cross.
lol.

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>>90495456
forgot image lol.

>>90468071
Honestly? I kinda like the idea that some of the Hyperborean soldiers are just... militia. Random dudes that get called up one day to raid the World Below, and go along with it because it's a source of free PAIN, and not going along with it gets you shot. There's something extra horrific about the idea that some of the most horrific things any soldier could ever encounter, are just the average joes of the Hyperboreans. They've not even brought out the really big guns yet.

>>90496238
If the alternative was getting made into a skinslave, I too would join the battle with toilet brush sword in hand.

>>90490932
The way I envisioned when writing it was either a gradual descent down the layers through "tunnels" which can't be accessed except through the Alph, or a more metaphysical/magical thing where after a while you'd find yourself on one of the lower layers without noticing any transition. Or perhaps, at the borders between layers, there's a series of dangerous rapids with monsters and other things lurking below the water, waiting for any unwary traveller to pass them by...

>>90496445
>I too would join the battle with toilet brush sword in hand.
I mean, if you think about it, if you are in a faction based on causing the most PAIN all the time, going into battle with a giant BBQ grill scrubber sword would be pretty darn logical.

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We need to bake soon.
Anyone up for it?

>>90497745
Just don't use AI art for the OP, please.

>>90498706
Sure, there's way enough of that already on the board.

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