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>>1945478
first up I need 3d6 for the following table.

Yeah

Rolled 3, 6, 4 = 13 (3d6)

>>1945482
HYPE
Hoping for Stormlands

Rolled 4, 5, 3 = 12 (3d6)

>>1945482

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>>1945492
>>1945493
Westerlands wins. Guess you all get to be Lannister's bitch.

On the plus side at least you'll be rich.

>>1945519
Now comes the bit with many dice rolls. We need 7d6 for each of the 7 resources on this list, with our base modifiers being:

-5 defense
+10 influence
-5 lands
-5 Law
-5 Pop
+0 Power
+20 Wealth

You may choose 1 stat to reroll afterwards or if its all shit you can reroll EVERYTHING.

Rolled 5, 3, 5, 5, 1, 2, 1 = 22 (7d6)

>>1945532
Whatever number roll this is!

Rolled 1, 1, 1, 5, 5, 5, 1 = 19 (7d6)

>>1945532
Not ideal but not bad. I don't think anyone has done a westerlands house barring Bordain which is now a Vale house. Here's hoping I don't brick.

Rolled 2, 6, 5, 4, 6, 1, 6 = 30 (7d6)

>>1945532

>>1945537
17 defense
>>1945538
29 influence
>>1945541
25 lands

Eesh. Should we roll a second set each to speed this along Genie?

>>1945565
Worse comes to worse a complete reroll is available and yeah but one at a time. I don't want 14d6s.

Rolled 6, 2, 3, 3, 3, 5, 2 = 24 (7d6)

>>1945577
okay heres Law

>>1945565
and don't worry we have a discretionary 1d6 as well.

Rolled 6, 4, 5, 3, 2, 4, 4 = 28 (7d6)

>>1945577

Rolled 6, 6, 5, 2, 5, 6, 4 = 34 (7d6)

Nothing but 7's baby

>>1945590
Ok hot damn do we have a good Power stat. I guess we're a beat stick for the lions.

Rolled 4, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 1 = 17 (7d6)

>>1945565
17 defense
29 influence
25 lands

>>1945581
19 LAw

>>1945586
23 Pop

>>1945590
34 power

Rolling for the wealth with genie's ok.

Rolled 3 (1d6)

Reroll that 2 for a...7? Hopefully.

>>1945590

>>1945621
Anons must first agree to which stat they wanna reroll or if anons want a full reroll of all stats.

>>1945637
No we reroll one stat.

>>1945645
I vote for rerolling Wealth. We need to make the most of that +20

>>1945645
well I was just rolling the last stat we needed. I'd say reroll wealth and keep the rest. Just don't let me roll it.

>>1945649
i agree

Rolled 1, 5, 6, 4, 3, 1, 2 = 22 (7d6)

Wealth re-roll with your boy. DJ sevens.

Well its a jump of 5. I count that as a win!

>>1945645
Genie do we get the discretionary d6? The one that in the book goes to each Player character to add?

>>1945680
Basically a whole dice raise

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>>1945689
That will be done according to 'important characters'. For each important character in the House(they don't even have to be family technically) then you get 1d6 to a stat of your choice.

This can be considered a partial refund for buying characters.

>>1945621
Final stats

17 defense
29 influence
25 lands
19 LAw
23 Pop
34 power
44 wealth

According to the initial stats it would indicate your one of Lannister's Enforcers. Whose poor defenses ensure you must remain compliant and without the Lannister's support you wouldn't last long on your own.

Next up how old your house is so roll 1d6.

Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>1945716

>>1945717
Hooooo boy we ancient! We predate the Lannisters maybe...

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Rolled 4 + 3 (1d6 + 3)

>>1945717
Well that's interesting...and it looks like we are gonna need a lot of rolls again.

I will need the above number in 3d6s.

Rolled 3, 6, 3 = 12 (3d6)

>>1945739

Rolled 6, 3, 2 = 11 (3d6)

>>1945739

Rolled 4, 6, 2 = 12 (3d6)

>>1945739

Rolled 1, 2, 2 = 5 (3d6)

>>1945739

>>1945763
Ouch.


So far 3 good and one bad.


Should we wait on more peeps or roll more?

A lot of events.

Rolled 2, 3, 3 = 8 (3d6)

>>1945739

>>1945778
Only Law and Pop will hurt from it you look at the other events.

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>>1945794

Rolled 5, 5, 3 = 13 (3d6)

>>1945739
Screw it Im speeding this up a bit

Rolled 5, 1, 3 = 9 (3d6)

>>1945781
True

>>1945793
Eesh

>>1945794
And infrastructure can offset that

>>1945739
Rolls to speed this along

>>1945847
Okay we are done guys, no more rolls

Rolled 4, 2, 4 = 10 (3d6)

3d6 from the master roller. Check em all sixes.

>>1945852
Thats Ascent, infrastructure, Ascent, Catastrophe, Scandal, Favour, Treachery

>>1945857
Overall not bad assuming the dice don't go shit on us.

Does look like we're the Lannister knee breakers tho.

>>1945877
We probly were in the army that sacked kings Landing. Given that Treachery right at the end

On Genies word, we start rolling for those events!

>>1945889
>Rattles dice menacingly

>>1945739
Let's break this up into timeframes.

Age of Heroes
Ascent
Infrastructure

Ancient times were damn good to your House.

Andal Invasion
Ascent
Catastrophe

Heh that's actually quite fitting.

Rhoynar Invasion


Aegon's Conquest

Blackfyre Rebellion

War of the Usurper
Treachery.

Guess you an active participant during the Sack of King's Landing.

Still gotta figure out where to put the Scandal and Favour. That happened some between Blackfyre Rebellion and the Rhoynar Invasion.

>>1945877
I would say we sucked lannister dick, but we don't break people
We make sure no one tries to do any backstabbing
maybe the reyen-tarbeck rebellion is the catastrophe (we failed at our job and tywin got all pissy about it)

Simpler thing would be for the ID -and only that ID- that got the event to roll for it.

>>1945901
>war of the usurper
Its roberts rebellion you targ fag reeee

>>1945901
Scandal could be a member of our house (a third son or such) was part of the Golden Company during the Blackfyre rebellion? And the Favour is Tywin backing us so Aerys didn't punish us for having a traitor?

>>1945901
I'd put the Scandal under Aegon's conquest, while the Lannister declared for one side during the Dance, the house declared for the other. A bit of bad blood was between the two but the Blackfyre Rebellion wiped that out when we helped the Warden and he did us a solid in return.

>>1945744
Ascent
+1d6 Influence, Lands, Power, Wealth
>>1945746
Infrastructure
+1d6 to any two
>>1945750
Ascent
+1d6 Influence, Lands, Power, Wealth
>>1945763
Catastrophe
-1d6 Law, Population, Power, Wealth
>>1945793
Scandal
-1d6 Influence, Lands, Power
>>1945843
Favour
+1d6 Influence, Lands, Law, Power
>>1945847
Treachery
-1d6 Influence, Law
+1d6 Power

Influence +3, -2
Lands +3, -1
Law +1, -2
Population -1
Power +4, -2
Wealth +2, -1
Any +2

>>1945882
Yeah probably. I'd say raise defense to 20 with the infrastructure rolls. We need it bad.

>>1945901
Scandal is perhaps a second or third borne son caught in bed with a valyrian house woman unmarried just after aegin's conquest?

Favor would be us utterly backing the winning side of the blackfyre rebellion emohatically and vehemently and getting rewarded for it.

>>1945901
Alright if we stick Scandal in Aegon's Conquest that meant your House was a turncoat.

Favor if we place during the Blackfyre rebellion or after Aegon's conquest would mean your house did good at sucking up to the winning side.

Looks like the Andal and Rhoynar Invasion was an absolute shit time but your House at least put up a damn good fight...and then later payed for it dearly. Hence the Catastrophe afterwards.

In all likelyihood probably safe to say your house didn't do anything during the Rhoynar invasion period but lick its wounds.

>>1945917
Your House in ancient as hell meaning we can't just cram a bunch of very important events real close together. It would be different if the house was so very very old.

>>1945935
True, I've only dealt with fairly new houses both on qst and on Tabletop, hence my clustering.

>>1945935
We could have refused to serve at the field of fire?

>>1945932
remember infrastructure states that pick two and roll a d6 each so I'd go for defense and law

>>1945949
Either that or population

>>1945961
Definately defense though. We need a Hall at least.

>>1945744
Ascent
+1d6 Influence, Lands, Power, Wealth
>>1945746
Infrastructure
+1d6 to any two
>>1945750
Ascent
+1d6 Influence, Lands, Power, Wealth
>>1945763
Catastrophe
-1d6 Law, Population, Power, Wealth
>>1945793
Scandal
-1d6 Influence, Lands, Power
>>1945843
Favour
+1d6 Influence, Lands, Law, Power
>>1945847
Treachery
-1d6 Influence, Law
+1d6 Power

Influence +3, -2
Lands +3, -1
Law +1, -2
Population -1
Power +4, -2
Wealth +2, -1
Any +2

Alright so here is the rule for rolling. Whichever event your rolling for you must Declare it and link it accordingly.

Rolled 2, 3, 2, 1 = 8 (4d6)

>>1945977
Rolling for the First Ascent

Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>1945977

Rolling

Rolled 6, 2, 4, 5 = 17 (4d6)

>>1945977
Rolling for 2nd ascent

Rolled 3, 6, 6, 3 = 18 (4d6)

>>1945977
Rolling for second ascent

Rolled 3, 6, 1, 6 = 16 (4d6)

>>1945977
Catastrophe

Rolled 1, 6, 5 = 12 (3d6)

>>1945977
Treachery

Rolled 1 (1d6)

>>1945977
Scandal roll.

>>1946010
wew that law drop

>>1946011
3d6 dude

>>1945977
Still need infrastructure and Scandal.

You may also choose 1 historic event of your choice to reroll but only 1. It can be a good one or a bad one. I don't care.

Rolled 6, 5 = 11 (2d6)

>>1945977
>>1946025
Infrastructure defense and law

Rolled 4, 4, 3 = 11 (3d6)

>>1946025
Scandal Roll

Also, my vote is for rerolling the first ascent.

>>1946012
Just means we get bandits and wildmen to fight

>>1946048
Why? Ascent is a great roll

>>1946056
As in we reroll the dice for it! It rolled an 8 on 4d6.

Rolled 4, 1 = 5 (2d6)

>>1945977
I did the scandal roll first, let me finish what I started, initial roll was a 1

>>1946048

>>1946060
Oh haha, my bad, I am totally not reading properly today

>>1946025
Don't we need a favor roll too?

>>1946072
yup, my bad I must of missed it that too.

Rolled 5, 4, 4, 6 = 19 (4d6)

>>1945977
Favour

>>1946083
NICE.

>>1946072
I think he is using the extra ascent roll it's 4d6 roll
>>1946000

>>1946083
Nice

>>1946081
Since above rolled well I second rerolling the first ascent

>>1946083
This would push the Power number into the 50 range, either we turn out to be a house with bannermans or we can spent some of that power into Law and Population.

>>1946105
Look at this way the Lannisters must really like your House. Otherwise you think Tywin is gonna let that slide?

>>1946105
Or have a fuckhuge army, that's always an option, or even just an extremely well trained army

>>1946113
>>1946116
We're probably the first into the fight every fight

>>1946128
Or we are an Elite Force designed to be the core of the whole army, the banner anyone who cannot see the Lannister banner rally around.

>>1945935
>Alright if we stick Scandal in Aegon's Conquest that meant your House was a turncoat.

My idea for this is the Lord of the House supported the Blacks during the Dance of the Dragons. One of the few that didn't side with the Green Lannisters. It is considered scandalous because at the time the Lord was married to a daughter of House Lannister and it is whispered that it was she who pushed the Lord to turn his cloak on his liege and her cousin/father/whatever.

Alright next up I need anons to vote for which historic event you wanna reroll for.

Once consensus has been achieved feel free to reroll it.

>>1946116
Why not both? A fuckhuge elite army.
>>1946128
THE LANNISTERS CHIEF ASSKICKERS

>>1946152
1st ascent. Definitely the one with universally bad rolls.

>>1946152
First ascent

>>1946152
First Ascent

Rolled 3, 5, 2, 3 = 13 (4d6)

>>1946152
>>1946163
>>1946166
>>1946171

>>1946042
Law won't go up another tier with the infrastructure rolls. It needs to hit 21.

Use them on defense and population instead.

>>1946210
Not really. We do sort of need it higher so we can covert power into Law. The less power we have to dump the better.

Final stats
23 defense
38 influence
32 lands
20 Law
17 Pop
47 power
46 wealth

Any additional modifiers will require buying important characters.

>>1945716
17 defense +6 = 23
29 influence + 3 +6 -1 -4 +5 =38
25 lands +5 +2 -4 +4 = 32
19 Law +5 -3 -6 +4 = 19
23 Pop -6 = 17
34 power +2 +4 -1 +5 -3+6 = 47
44 wealth +3 +5 -6 = 46

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>>1946221
Not bad at all...

>>1946221
Those are pretty solid. Like the idea of the House having a small holding but being renowned for their army. Might even be cool to be a naval superpower on the coast and tell the ironborn to go fuck themselves day in and day out.

>>1946221
House History

Age of Heroes
Ascent
Infrastructure >>1946042

Ancient times were damn good to your House.

Andal Invasion
Ascent >>1945997
Catastrophe >>1946005

Heh that's actually quite fitting.

Rhoynar Invasion
Time to lick wounds and lay low.

Aegon's Conquest
Scandal>>1946048

Blackfyre Rebellion
Favor>>1946083

War of the Usurper
Treachery >>1946010

>>1946227
Well at least I was only off by 1 point for Law.

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>>1946221
47 Power
46 Wealth

>>1946243
Woops forgot the first ascent >>1946178

Since it got rerolled.

So anons we still gotta figure out the details about those historic events now that we got the numbers.

>>1946256
So for the first Ascent how do people feel about being founded by a guy that aided Lann into sneaking into the Rock. Lann then makes him a Lord, and builds his hall and lands, explaining the Infrastructure. No bard sings this part of the song of Lann, but our family insists on it.

>>1946267
I mean the first part works. Have the lands made from Lann's enemies.

Have our son or grandson build our hall and bring law into an unruly land. Solidifying our rule.
>>1946243

During the andal invasion we were named The lord commander of the westerlands forces, and we fought long and hard earning respect of all, but the Andals ravaged our lands while we were fighting for our liege hence the catastrophe.

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>>1946256
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qm-psOSbKz_FbT9XpMXcNfwuOLmSRokmevgt9jkMVzo/edit

are also an option. Yes I am using homebrew but that is because there are parts where the book honestly gives you fuck all for options.

>>1946282
I'm thinking a hall with either Arrow slits a watchtower or a hoarding.

So as an explanaution for our founding, maybe we are the desendent of a casterly guardsmen who helped lann get the rock?

>>1946300
I prefer the idea of us being part of Lanns "band". You don't have an ancient hero without retainers after all.

>>1946282
As for the scandal, we could have advised the King of the Rock not to go to the Field of Fire and refused to go. Even though we were right, it caused the first falling out between us and the Lannisters.

>>1946282

Well it's seems the only option is a hall

>>1946309
I think a casterly guard could work
He brought lann food and gave in inside knowledge on what the king was thinking and how too really spook him the fuck out

>>1946282
Hall for sure.
Having a Watchtower would be nice, but I doubt we'll have more than one Lands Domain. So I could go for Arrow Slits to increase our defensibility in this lawless land or just sitting on it with plans to build a Small Castle.

>>1946281
have scandal be a modified>>1946147

We abked the Blacks and lent them support, when we were found out we stopped but it was stil a scandal of us going behind our lords back if the we provided was ultimately minor at best.


>>1946243
Then have us kissing up to the winning side of the Blackfyre rebellion super ahrd along with our lords.

For treachery we were quite literally the first house into King's landing at Tywin's orders, and our people reacted poorly when they heard that. VERY poorly. We(or our dad) had a huge fucking mess to clean up once he got home. Things were close to a full rebellion.

With how our house acts, I like the idea that while the Cleganes are the attack dogs, we are the Loyal Bodyguard. We have been with the Lannisters since their founding, and have given honest good advice. Sort of like the Tarlys are to the Tyrells.
Also, remember, Tywin and Kevan are both excellent lords to serve. People are acting like every Lannister is Jamie and Cersei, yet Tytos was well liked throughout the realm, and Tywin is one of the most respected Lord in the Seven Kingdoms. The only people who dislike him really are people who put their honour above common sense. People like Ned (atypical for a Northerner), Robert (raised with Ned) and John Arryn, (The person who raised the two aforementioned). Before the war of the 5 Kings, Tywin is seen as a just and skilled Lord, although ambitious and ruthless.

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>>1946282
Hall/Keep it is then.

Ancient beyond belief but there you go.

leaving you with 3 defense.

Next up is Influence.

>>1946385
One son, one daughter? Son is First born, daughter second born, adds up to 25?

>>1946385
>first born son

>>1946385
>>1946391
Sure. Also get a hoarding or watch tower for our hall. Spend that last 3 defense.

>>1946385
I like the idea of having two sons. Part of the quest is guiding each in their individual pursuits as Knights/Warriors.

That and I just don't feel like having daughters this time around.

>>1946385
>>1946385
Oh right gonna need a name for your House's so very old Ancestral Home.

>>1946391
First born son costs 20 influence.
First born daughter costs 10 influence.
Second son is 10 influence.
Second born Daughter+ 5 influence.
Third born son+5 influence.

>>1946401
We need a daughter if you want two sons.

>>1946351
I think you mean typical for the North, atypical means not typical but I agree with the point you're making

>>1946407
Can we wait on naming the hall until we see our lands and wealth spent? It'd give us the ability to make a more fitting name.

>>1946410
Wut.
Pretty sure that is incorrect.

>>1946407
First born son and a first and second born daughter

>>1946411
No the North are very practical. The way Robb behaves is closer to the Northern stereotype, ruthless and harsh. The North values being given what is rightfully theirs and holding to oaths, but they will be harsh if necessary. Roose Bolton is seen as perfectly acceptable by Northern Standards, even with Ramseys rep.

>>1946411
Ned isn't the typical northerner
Most northerners are cold upright cunts
Ned issdofferent cause he got raised by a valeman

>>1946418
First Born Daughter for 10. Second Born Son for 10, Son for 5.
You would have 20 for a first born Son. 10 for a second born son. Which we cannot afford.

>>1946425
You do realise first born means first born. As in born first out of all the children. So You can't have a firstborn son and a first born duaghter, you have a first bron son and a second born daughter.

>>1946401
Second this. Play this House differently.

>>1946391
>>1946399
These

>>1946439
We can't have two sons without a first born daughter.

>>1946438
Could be twins homie, but you're right, I misunderstood, I thought it was more like first of that gender

>>1946438
Uh... Yeah we can? 20 for First, 10 for Second, we have 38 Influence. You don't have to buy those in order of presentation, that is not how that works at all. Otherwise every House would be boring as shit.

Either I'm totally misunderstanding you or you're totally misunderstanding the table.

>>1946438
38 Influence anon, the House can pay for the two sons and even have a daughter.

>>1946457
shit sorry I was looking at the pre-roll numbers.

My bad everyone, sorry for causing a bunch of confusion, I thought we had 29 Influence not the 38 we had.

>>1946472
All good anon, everyone makes mistakes

>>1946450
To be fair I've always played it that way. It makes more sense for the first daughter of the family to have higher Status or equal status to the second daughter and second son respectively thus the Influence cost of 10, but still below the first born son and heir. And you wouldn't make a son and heir born after the first daughter only cost 10 because that breaks the system and everyone would do that to keep some extra influence.

But that's just me. Cheers Genie hope this has some legs.

>>1946483
That's a pretty fair point

>>1946425
You have to have a first born daughter before you can have a second born daughter.


Have anons made up their minds yet?

>>1946410
That will cost 40 influence which is doable if you convert another resource but that will require backing.

>>1946522
Personally would rather just go First and Second Born sons to play something different.

But it looks like people would rather go First Born Son and daughter.

>>1946522
Son
Son
Daughter

Or switch the second son for the daughter, it matters not.

>>1946533
This. Having a daughter is not only useful from a gameplay perspective, also, it makes a better character. Its a little easy for a Lord to raise two knights, having to raise a daughter as well? slightly harder

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>>1946522
>convert another resource but that will require backing.
I wouldn't be against moving 4 Power to Law, then 2 Law to Influence to get the Son, Son, Daughter. While also giving us the better next tier for Law. If you'll allow it.

>>1946547
You've misread the table. Influence can be traded into Law, not the other way around. The Power thin is correct.

>>1946547
Nah we don't honestly need Law right off the bat. A powerful military can be used in game to quell banditry and root out criminals bringing law and safety to our domain

Wow new Genie Game. Neat!

>>1946552
Ohhh I always played it differently. Sorry personal House rules coming in to play here.

2 Power to Influence then?

>>1946554
I don't know man that House Fortunes bonus is pretty important during the onset when you aren't rolling with a lot of bonuses.

>>1946562
We have plenty of wealth to cover it. We can easily be running full maester, sept, market port.

>>1946554
I will fully admit this is true.

Basically its a question of do you wanna do it the easy way or hard way?

Easy way is just paying for it to happen.

Hard way is doing through direction actions.

Which means if you REALLY want to its totally doable to sacrifice Law because at the end of the day you can just use your power(soldiers) and direct actions to quell banditry and enforce laws through force.

It will involve killing a lot of bandits, spending time on it, and throwing a lot of criminals in prison but its perfectly doable.

>>1946483
OI. NEW BREAD WHEN

>>1946567
I'd much rather only spend 2 Power rather than 4 Wealth. Not to mention we're definitely going to be using more than the core rulebook wealth holdings here.

>>1946568
However 'doable' still means pain in the ass work gotta get put in at the end of the day.

On the other hand spending points is the easy way that doesn't require any effort on your part. Just spending.

>>1946568
>It will involve killing a lot of bandits, spending time on it, and throwing a lot of criminals in prison but its perfectly doable.

Implying that isn't what we want.

>>1946578
No I mean we can buy stuff that gives bonuses that negate the small penalty we have in law.

>>1946581
Great way to befriend the night's watch too.

I honestly wouldn't be surprise if they had specialized recruiters whose sole job it is to travel to rebellious and troubled lands. It's like the Night's Watch Recruiter's version of all you can eat buffet.

>>1946594
Shouldn't two sons and a daughter cost 35? The daughter is born third.

>>1946637
FUCK BUYING CHILDREN NOW WHEN WE CAN MARRY AND FUCK DOZENS OF CHILDREN INTO HER.

>>1946656
Still costs influence dude.

>>1946665
Almost devilish quads. Almost.

>>1946637
First son 20
Second son 10
First daughter 10.

40 influence in total.

Alright so it looks like anons want sons and daughters but can't agree to how many.

How about you just make it easy and convert some points over and handle it that way?

Or just achieve some consensus. I didn't think the how many kids would take so long to figure out.

>>1946522
Daughter
Son

>>1946692
Just go ahead and move 2 Power to Influence. We can spare it and this seems to be the popular choice for children.

>>1946692
Roll for the first born?

>>1946692
All I care about is the first born son, whatever the rest want on other children is fine, I'd rather not waste power though

>>1946692
First son
Second son
Third daughter


The born only refers to the order in which they are born.

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>>1946692
Alright First Born Son and Daughter seems to be the consensus.

Meaning you saved 8 influence. Very useful for politicking.

Next up is Terrain.

>>1946730
I'd like to go for small town, Mountains with coast. For all our Land. Allows us to get a port, and still have mines.

>>1946730
Shoulda posted a map of the westerland first, have people decide whether or not they want a House with sea access or acess to other realms by road/river.

>>1946728
If I do it according to order only then anons can easily cheat the system and save influence by messing with the birth order.

Instead I am counting according to individually how many sons and daughters separately you have instead of total for cost in influence.

First son is 20.
Second son is 10.
Third son+ is 5.
First daughter is 10.
Second Daughter+ 5.

>>1946730
Plains - Terrain

Features:
Small Town
Road
Stream
Grasslands

>>1946730
Which child comes first? I prefer the son to be younger so we have more time to mold and bond with him.

>>1946743
We meet again, Mountain-Anon.

>>1946765
Hey mines are good. Also, we are stupidly wealthy, I want to invest it as much as possible at the start.

>>1946730
Plains+Road+Hamlet+River+grassland for 20
Hills + Pond for 12

32 lands spent


Let's us get a mine and have the pond feed the stream so we can transport easily. Also variety of terrain.

>>1946743
I mean it isn't a bad idea.

I just find mines boring as shit.

>>1946777
Okay you want excitement? Plains, Hamlet, 5 ruins. How about that?

>>1946775
Supporting this. Especially if we can have our castle in the middle of the pond. Might explain why the defense holding is shit. We just had no reason to build much.

>>1946775
Pretty sure you can only have 1 terrain so either Plains or Hills. Also in your list equals 36 total

>>1946762
MC's age needs be determined first and so we can have a starting point to work off of.

>>1946743
I am going to warn you combining Mountains and Coast together will result in sheer cliffs. Great for defense not so good for trade.

>>1946765
Your house is old enough you have ancient claims to a TON of land. Problem is time is a bitch like that.

Your House has lost and gained a lot of land but there are still records of it. Your local neighbors try very hard to ignore that fact, because the truth is unless they are old as your House guess who has oldest claim?

Naturally your really not very popular among your nearby neighbors because have ancient neighbor like you is hell when it comes to Claims. Truth is that has been the facts since the Era of Heroes.

Andal Invasion greatly worsened this because during those Wars your House took the opportunity to claim a TON of land and then proceed to all of it and then some...

>>1946783
It legitimately would be fun as shit to play. Under the right circumstances.

Realistically. It's the Westerlands. Who doesn't have a mine? So I'm fine with it, just a bit boring.

>>1946799
Yeah, lets see if we can turn the quest into a proper dungeon crawl.

>>1946789
So it does

But you can have multiple types of terrain if you have the lands.

Plains+Hamlet+River 18
Hills +Lake 14

32

Better?

>>1946806
No you can't, from the rule book:

"Domains each have two components, features and terrain. A feature is something found on that land such as a town, river, woods, or coastline. A domain can have as many features as you’d like to invest. A domain without a feature is barren, being a desert, scrubland, or waste depending on the realm. Terrain specifically describes the lay of land, being mountainous, hilly, flat, or sunken. A domain must have terrain and may only have one type of terrain, even if it has elements of other terrain types."

Basically all the features you'd like, assuming you have the points, but only 1 type of terrain

>>1946815
Its possible to have multiple terrains.

HOWEVER

You must spend the points for EACH terrain and ALL the features for them individually.

>>1946806
Alternatively
Plains+Road +River +Grassland= 14
Hills+ Lake +Light Woods = 18

For 31

>>1946815
You can add water ways and towns like this dud been done in every house gen

>>1946815
Hills+features is a domain.
Plains+features is another domain.
If you have the Lands for both, you can get them.

>>1946831
>>1946837

Fair enough, I've been reading the book weirdly for a long time in that case

>>1946833
I was referring to the Hill and Plains, not the water features but it's been pointed out that I'm wrong anyway

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>>1946755
Green Ronin has no problem with doing that.
Heir for 20, second son for 10, daughter for 5.

Welp I'll see all of you in the morning. It is very very late/early where I am.

>>1946833
So guy las this

Or

>>1946806
This

Or

>>1946760
This

Or
>>1946743
This?


All are 32 lands

>>1946931
Alright in the spirit of moving shit on I'll vote for

>>1946806

>>1946992
Same. Lets get shit moving

>>1946806
lets do it

>>1946221
Next up would be power since genie is ark I have a linked post with the table.

>>>>1926043


I would say
2 veteran Cavalry = 20
1 trained warship = 10
1 trained garrison =5
1 trained support = 5
1 trained infantry = 7

This way we can take advantage of the rivers and be vicious on land

OR
2 veteran Cavalry for 20
2 veteran infantry for 18
1 trained archer for 6
1 green garrison for 3

OR

1 veteran Cavalry for 10
1 veteran personal guard for 11
2 trained infantry for 14
2 trained archers for 12

>>1947170
If we're voting on power this is my suggestion:

1x Elite Cavalry
1x Elite Infanty
1x Veteran Infantry
1x Veteran Archers
1x Veteran Garrison

>>1946806
supporting

i'd like to get an apiary and mead distillery or herb fields. It feels like people go for the "hard" holdings like mines and quarries. It would be fun to get a knight that sells honey or perfume because it's just the family business

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>>1946806
Alright so it looks like this wins.

next up is Power holdings don't forget the Homebrew! They have extended troop options.

>>1947208
1x Elite Cavalry
1x Elite Infanty
1x Veteran Infantry
1x Veteran Archers
1x Veteran Garrison

>>1947177
I'd suggest replacing the infantry with heavy infantry, but aside from that support this

>>1947208
Option 1
Elite Cavalry
2 veteran heavy infantry
1 veteran archer
1 veteran garrison

Or
Option 2

2 elite infantry
1 veteran warship
1 veteran archer
1 trained Garrison

>>1947219
The elite infantry should be heavy infantry. Downgrade the garrison to pay for it.

>>1947208
Alright I am gonna advise something.

Keep in mind you gotta a lot of work to do in terms of banditry within your realm and squabbles with your neighbors. Elites can no longer gain EXP however Veterans can. So you can save yourself a few power points by choosing veterans and then soaking them in bloody combat until they turn into Elites.

>>1947208
Option 1
2 veteran Cavalry
2 veteran heavy infantry
1 veteran garrison

Option 2
Trained warship
Veteran archer
2 veteran infantry
Trained archer
Trained garrison

Option 3
2 trained infantry
2 trained archers
1 veteran Cavalry
1 trained support
1 trained garrison

Options 4
Veteran Cavalry
2 veteran infantry
Veteran archer
Veteran support
Green garrison
This way our troops still grow.

I'll go with this:
2 veteran Cavalry
2 veteran heavy infantry
1 veteran garrison

>Anon chooses veterans

Every time without fail why is green even a choice? When anon will simply go for the elite army choice

>>1947297
Green can be useful if you have a weird amount of power left over and can only afford a few green units etc

>>1947297
Often when just starting your territory is compact and your needs usually not too varied (so having a diversity of troops is not too important, a big reason why you might go with less experienced units is you "need" certain types for certain things, Like guerrillas for that very specific mountain bandit problem you have.). So you don't have multiple castles, rivers, seafront, fields, mountains, forests ect. to warrant the need for green units just to cover all your bases and garrison all your bases. Again that compact nature dissuades you from quantity, and unless you rolled crap and/or have to have a great number or variety of unit types green doesn't seem so nice. Given how little offensive use garrison's see though I'm surprised people ever spring for something more than trained.

>>1947273
Oh and:
Options 4
Veteran Cavalry
2 veteran infantry
Veteran archer
Veteran support
Green garrison
This way our troops still grow.

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>>1947273
Option 2.
A bunch of trained, with a few veteran.
Make sure our river leads out to the ocean so we can take part in naval battles.

Also, what does everyone think about having our castle in the middle of the lake?

>>1947319
Garrison ALSO count as Law Enforcers. Basically they're the closest thing to cops you can get.

For maximum coverage your gonna want at least 1 Garrison per a settlement.

>>1947324
Makes some things other than a siege difficult. You can get almost the same effect by having it on a good bank of a river, and then you can use it to control traffic across a bridge. Or have it on a delta so multiple sides are covered but the castle still has accessibility and the population/town/infrastructure by/outside it can grow. Can even still control a bridge crossing with a delta.

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>>1947332
Yup, they're nice that way. Given that you never want to take them out for a spin unless things get desperate (how desperate that would need to be to have a lord leave his holding to anarchy and take literally the last unit you ever would? I mean at that point your outright abandoning your holding as the garrison would have a greater value in a siege. Anyway.) I am sometimes surprised people go out of their way to 'beef them up' so to speak.

>>1947332
Basically look at garrisons less like proper troops and more like proper cops. Better cops are obviously a good thing to have. The only major problem that garrisons have is how much of an utter pain in the ass it is to get them to level up. They have restrictions that literally no other unit has in terms they can't be moved into the action easily. Making upgrading them a much greater pain.

Another thing that bothers me is if you have the option heavy infantry is ALWAYS better then any other infantry. Completely ignoring the importance of Light infantry in difficult terrain and the associated expensive costs of maintaining Heavy Infantry. Hence why Medium Infantry are much more common.

I will admit they at least deleted light infantry entirely and basically replaced them with completely different units. Medium infantry got turned into default infantry but somehow heavy is still king.

I still miss the adaptability and surprisingly deadliness of light infantry. So very cost effective if you had the right terrain. Otherwise I would have to agree with having heavy infantry, problem is they are expensive.

>>1947357
But that is precisely what makes them by far the most difficult unit to level up. You can't just send them out into the action and get experience.

>>1947208
Veteran Cavalry 10
Veteran Archers 7
Veteran Infantry 9
Veteran Criminals 6
Trained scouts 5

(I don't know what I'm doing)

Out of interest why are we not having a veteran Garrison if they are a cunt to level up?

>>1947581
Think of how hard it would be to get them to veteran level in the first place if you don't just buy them with points.

>>1947526
I honestly never gave Criminal units much consideration until one game I was playing a political intrigue character and since there was a commander pc already. They were the only troops I had access to who were frigging combat units because they were 'worthless shit'. They were fucking great of all! The things I could do with them...amazing disgusting terribly incredible feats(yes plural) with them.

Like holy shit nobody saw that one coming.

Never underestimated them after that ever since.

It was incredible.

Managed to fuck over entire cities, raped supply caravans, and more. It was a work of fucking art.

Spies?

Nah.

Assassin?

Psht.

Saboteurs?

Oh please.

Give me access to a couple prisons and I will show you what I can do.

>>1947526
This is me btw

>>1947682
I haven't actually took the time to read the pdfs and rules yet because being an adult sucks. But the fluff in my head went that since our House to be was too busy wrecking shit and being Westerlands Barristans, so when they got home and saw everything was in shambles...

Well, they may have taken a few steps to prevent a repeat of happening again.

I kinda want too burn down pyke when the greyjoy rebellion starts

Actually,lets break into the castle and have our men slaughter EVERYONE inside,excluding balon and his youngest son, then stick his entire families heads on pikes, then force him to have lunch with us outside so he can see the heads and be reminded that this will happen the next time you try to rebel

>>1947895
Jesus christ Tywin calm down bro

>>1947906
The iromborn deserve this
They attacked lannisport and now the lannisters need too pay the debt

>>1947906
Eh, it's Balon. He deserves it. Even better if he dies fighting and we (or Tywin) get to raise Theon as a ward.

But priority should be getting his brothers. Dead or Alive. Preferably dead.

>>1947910
nigga you know thats not how ASOIAF quests work right?

>>1947910
Also, Tywin and the Lannister forces contributed far less to the assault on Pyke than the North and Stannis. Remember, the Lannister fleet was destroyed at this point, so Tywin was dependent on Stannis to move his troops about. Lannister forces were only really on Great Wyk and Old Wyk, providing bulk to Stannis and Baristan Selmy. It was the army of the North and the Stormlands that attacked Pyke.

>>1947906
>>1947908
>>1947910
>>1947926
This is why I wanted some warships so we could go do whatever

>>1948066
Warships are a big investment, and only really work if you are going whole hog into navy. Also, there is no real reason to have it, since we are vassals of the people who own the second largest fleet in the whole seven Kingdoms.

>>1948078
That fleet includes ships from their banner houses. Like us.

And I do wanna go navy. Go full Lake house. House name, castle name, everything, related to the Lake. And being an inland house means our ships will be the only ones left in the Lannister fleet after Lannisport is sacked.

>>1948100
Honestly also a "meh" from me vis a vis navey

>>1947910
Anon your barely considered a Commander of Tywin's War Council and local enforcer of your local neighborhood. While your not the Mountain that Rides he still has you stomping on people with your troops quite regularly unlike his Father before him.

On the plus side you ARE important enough to have a seat on Tywin's War Council and are hence trusted enough to have a larger army then normal.

Your not a very important House and you'll find out why exactly Tywin has you for when Quest officially starts.

Troop consensus is apparently
Veteran Calvary 10
Veteran Infantry 9
Veteran Archers 8
Elite Garrison 9
total 36.

leaving you 11 power left.

Unfortunately you don't have the right to recruit Heavy Infantry unless you have a master armorer. If you did a Veteran Heavy Infantry would of costed you 10 power.

Instead I would suggest considering Support, Scouts, and or Guerillas.

>>1948141
Scouts. Scouts are crazy important. It is your best defense against teleporting armies.

>>1948141
Id like to offer up Veteran Personal Guard. Since we have a large army, having a unit to operate out of would be useful.

>>1948152
there hasn't been any votes for personal guards.

>>1948149
On the other hand this is another vote for Scouts.

May I suggest purchasing both?

It's pretty much a frigging tie when it comes to support or scouts.

Green scouts 3
Trained scouts is 5
Veteran scouts is 7

Green support is 3
Trained support 5
Veteran support is 7

>>1948161
If you convert 1 influence to power it becomes possible to afford Veteran Scouts and Trained Support. Convert 3 influence to power and you can veteran both.

You happen to have saved 8 influence.

Yay or nay?

>>1948168
Just get both Trained.

>>1948168
yay

>>1948168
yay

>>1948168
Y

>>1948168
I'm quite late to the game, but could i start now?

>>1948201
oh wit, is this a voting based quest? Silly me, i thought everyone had an individual house.

>>1948168
Yay

>>1948168
yay dude

>>1948168
Yay. To Veteran for both.

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>>1948168
Veteran both it is then.

Troop list is as follows
Veteran Calvary 10
Veteran Infantry 9
Veteran Archers 8
Elite Garrison 9
Veteran Support 7
Veteran Scouts 7

You have 5 remaining influence and 0 power.

next up is wealth. How to spend all your money!

>>1948230
Bath in it like a duck

>>1948230
Maester, Mine Sept, Port. Since we don't have a small town.

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>>1948230
because your House is so ancient. I am gonna be nice and say you have a Godswood that your ancestors never bothered to chop down or burn. Mostly due to the fact it reminded them of the good old days from before things went very wrong for the House in question.

However the tree itself is sickly and dead so you wont get any benefits from it.

also feel free to shop around in the wealth holdings section.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qm-psOSbKz_FbT9XpMXcNfwuOLmSRokmevgt9jkMVzo/edit

>>1948237
Wait drop the Port, I forgot we don't have a coast
Artisan Blacksmith

>>1948230
So we have 46 wealth. And I assume we're using OOSP and the Homebrew?
Maester, for sure.
I'm partial to having a Sept/Temple personally. Or at the very least a Chapel since we have the leftover Defense.
I guess a Mine? Could be Valuable or Rich. Something other than gold, silver, or iron.

>>1948230
>maester
>apiary
>candleworks
>mead distillery
>herb fields
>alcohol distillery

>>1948258
I'll vote for this.

>>1948258
Can't have the Apiary as it requires grasslands along the terrain.
As per the corebook definition our land is barren and we wouldn't be able to get the Herbfields either.

>>1948256
Oh scratch Temple. No small town. Still would like a chapel.

Hm.. Apiary with Mead distillery would be fun.

>>1948269
I thought one of our domains had a grassland?

>>1948277
same, looking back OP went with another set

was hoping to do something other than "knight with a mine" this time

>>1948243
Another thing that needs to be decided is where to place your Keep.

You have two realms to place it in. You'll have to choose one of them.

I noticed one anon wants to place the keep in the middle of the lake in the Hills terrain.

House History is as follows

Age of Heroes
Ascent >>1946178
Infrastructure >>1946042

Ancient times were damn good to your House. Your ancient ancestors helped Lann himself win the Rock. Afterwards your House spent the age of heroes investing themselves in their new lands and expanding.

Andal Invasion
Ascent >>1945997
Catastrophe >>1946005
At first during the Andal Invasion your house put up one hell of a fight and expanded`. Leading armies and even earning the respect of the Andals themselves. Sadly everyone knows how it turned out in the end and your House paid a catastrophic price. A mere shadow of your former glory and reduced to a single Keep.

Rhoynar Invasion
Time to lick wounds and lay low.

Aegon's Conquest
Scandal>>1946048
Your House refused to fight the Aegon and while it spared your House his wrath your neighbors did not look kindly at it. Losing what favor remained that the Lannisters had for you and forcing your House to become seek refuge as bannermen under another House instead.

For such an ancient and loyal house this was naturally quite the embarrassing and costly affair.

Blackfyre Rebellion
Favor>>1946083
Your House picked the winning side and once more earned the Lannister favor even Royal favor. Thus began the long awaited comeback of your House.

War of the Usurper
Treachery >>1946010
You betrayed the Royal Family and proved your Loyalty to Tywin. You were among the very first into the city and proved worthy enough to be on his War Council as a Commander. Despite the lack of status of your House you were once more serving Tywin directly. Mostly due to him wanting to keep the military powerhouses under close personal watch.

Sadly back at home your populace were loyalists who very nearly entered near open revolt over the incident.

>>1948269
You can buy grasslands for 2 wealth. Which you really should for the plains. As otherwise someone else owns all the good farmland and your limited to only the river stretch.

>>1948288
I don't even know what we went with looking back.

Would appreciate the clarification on what we picked Genie.

Also I assume we're going with the 1 estate holding per domain?

>>1948288
The vast majority of anons voted for >>1946806

Which wasn't very well thought out.

I would suggest buying Grassland for the first and a Stream for the second. For that water flow and transport.

Sadly this will all cost you either Influence or Wealth to convert into Lands.

>>1948306
Within reason. I consider it dumb that you can only have a single tower in a domain that somehow takes up the same amount of space as an entire castle.

>>1948314
That's not what I meant. OOSP rules that you can only have a single Estate Wealth Holding per domain. Example, you can't have a Mine and an Apiary in the same domain.

>>1948314
Another pet peave of mine in terms of GoT is the painfully stupid geography. I am thus much more lenient on the kind of features and terrain you can have.

The Hills+Lake for instance strongly suggests there is wetlands surrounding the lake. The hills themselves indicate there is particularly low spot close to mountains which resulted in a formation of a lake nestled within the hills and hidden away.

Due to having an actual lake I am willing to allow there to be islands in it. Especially given how your in HILLS meaning NOT having some islands is even more stupid.

Meanwhile the Plains+Hamlet+River indicates that its actually a flood plain especially given your in the WESTERLANDS. With ALL of those hills and mountains. Meaning the river deposits rich silt full of nutrients but at the same time making marsh much more likely. Especially the closer you get to the coast when the river will drop all the silt and bleed away into the ocean. Creating those murky waters around the rivers mouth and all that moisture is gonna be right there.

However terrain modifications like that are gonna be the exception and limited in size to fit with the general land/terrain profile.

>>1948324
My mistake.

In that case...my rule is going to be like this.

You can only have 1 mine per a domain because that 1 mine is gonna take up the 'mine slot'. Meaning while possible to stack multiple holdings into a domain. Its not reasonable to cram them inside all the same domain. After all you only have so much space.

Land=Domains=Space.

So within reason.

If you want to have a ton of farms, gardening, and apiary your gonna need multiple grasslands+streams to afford it. Which means your Domain can only support so much enterprises.

>>1948357
That all sounds needlessly complex to me. But regardless.

Here is my submission for Wealth spending:
>10 Wealth - Maester
Pretty easy pick up there, infinitely useful and good bonuses.
>20 Wealth - Animal Husbandry w/High-Quality Leatherworks
Place in the Hamlet domain. This avoids us having to purchase Grasslands. And is equal in wealth to a rich mine while being unique amongst the 4chan GoT Houses so we aren't playing a Lord with a mine again. Can be used as valuable gifts, to outfit our army better, and could be used as a status symbol in the Westerlands with the right marketing.
>1 Defense, 4 Wealth - Chapel
Someone else mentioned it and I think it would be a good way to spend some of our leftover Defense. And all good Houses should have a place devoted to the Faith.
>10 Wealth - Master-at-Arms
This is critical for our gigantic army. The bonus of 1 free upgrade per unit makes our men better outfitted or armed immediately. Good for dealing with bandits. And the +1 bonus to injury rolls post battle will mean our men are leveling up faster and will save those that get beaten up. Really good holding for militant Houses, especially those with plans of murdering bandits.

So 44 Wealth and 1 Defense spent. Bonuses to rolls are +6 House Fortunes, +1 Wealth, +1 Influence.

>>1948516
Keep in mind for every 'important personage' within the House you gain 1d6 to a stat of your choice.

In terms of complexity think of it this way for every feature you have you can 'put' something on top of it. For settlements the larger the settlement the more stuff you can cram inside.

For other things like mines you can only have so many operating at the same time. The same is true for stuck like Docks. Your docks only have so much room.

Honestly its something I am still working on but I agree the limit of 1 estate wealth holding per a domain is stupid and its not gonna work like that in my game.

>>1948516
I like this, supporting.