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Your name is Shu, and you’re finding yourself consistently split between fending off grotesque horrors, tackling with complex ethical quandaries, and hosting guests…the latter of these tasks quickly becoming the most preferable to you, by far.

“I h-haven’t cleaned! I have to c-clean!” Julia cries in a panic, immediately rushing to the bar counter the moment you, she, Dorian, Amara, and Francine emerge in whirl of twisted color and stark ozone. Dorian dashes after her as you hold Escher’s Gear loose in your right hand, the remarkable device having carried you all from the skirts of Yurei’s ruined mansion to the Town of Rust. Once there, Julia convinced Gina and the others to keep the Barbers busy while she rushed with Dorian to the Dragon’s Roost, while you tagged along with Amara to lend a hand with the Core Console and the Joyous Many, respectively.

Amara’s body contorts as you watch, the skin of her arms and legs sloughing off like so much clay as a quintet of amorphous humanoids take shape from the pliable flesh. They gain shape and color before your eyes, nigh-instantly taking the form of their creator, four sets of dull, heterochromatic eyes starting to scan the room for ways to clean. Their master, meanwhile, stalks off to her room in a bit of a huff, her cheeks puffed out in an exaggerated display of frustration while the flutter of a lab coat behind you makes you turn. Francine brusquely strides to the Forge, the shards of the Sui Sacrificium jingling in her pockets as she wordlessly retreats to the softly glowing threshold, disappearing around the corner. Nearby, Dorian diligently helps Julia make some last-minute adjustments to the bar area, with the latter swiftly setting out cups and putting on a fresh pot of purified water for her trademark tea.

With that, you're left to your own devices in the Dragon’s Roost.

It's a bit of a whiplash, all things considered. You left to have peace talks with Madame Yurei, a woman whose plan for humanity's future entailed a life of illusion for all...an idle threat by her led you to blows, and now here you stand; the victor, making time for guests that were once her own. Her crystallized remains rest heavy in your dress pocket, the shimmering fabric keeping safe the pitch-black jewel that contains Yurei and her immense power. It's a feast for you and yours, to be sure...but it's one that must wait, for now.

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The Barbers are an odd bunch...much like the Midnight Crew, their reputation preceded them in the worst of ways, yet upon interaction they seem to act contrary to how popular opinion shaped your perception of them. Then again, now that they've made you aware of the existence of a vast information network helmed by the few Skintalkers that have survived to make names for themselves along with those that wield their powers on a second-hand basis, it's easy to see how information about the two groups could be so easily distorted in the massive game of Fleshscape telephone they're playing. Given how obsessed the Barbers are over your growing reputation and those of your allies, you have to admit that the world's rapidly-escalating recognition of you is somewhat flattering...and deeply concerning, particularly where Francine is involved. The nature of her plan depended on secrecy, so the fact that her position at your side may be compromised may have just turned what should have been a stealth mission into a siege.

...You've got a lot on your plate, mind running in place as you try and balance the countless plates you have spinning, each one threatening to come crashing down with disastrous results. You breathe in deeply, exhaling slowly as thumb and forefinger aggressively massage the bridge of your nose while you gather your thoughts. Look on the bright side...you've beaten a foe that was out of your league after a battle with zero casualties, and you now have access to a font of information in the form of Yurei's Dream Daughter form. What's more, her Silver Key may offer you some insights into the Dreamscape itself, and your newfound knowledge of the 'Skinternet' could allow you unparalleled information-gathering...though why Amara's insisted on maintaining her silence on it is certainly something you're curious about.

The clatter of teacups on saucers brings you out of your reverie, and you watch Dorian set the table with swift and practiced motions.

Right.

You need more information...and the Barbers may be a decent start.

>>There's no sense in keeping your guests waiting; invite the Barbers up now and get things started.

>>Talk to Dorian and Julia about their interrupted time in Laoc to see their thoughts on the place...and if anything interesting transpired.

>>While Amara's clones are busying themselves, see how she's feeling after her brave fight against the resurrected Hexane.

>>Now's as good a time as any to talk to Francine while she works on repairing the Sui Sacrificium and Void Orrery.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Good Morning, Gentlemen. It's good to be back. I haven't been able to catch up as I'd like, as I went for three days without eating due to what I assume to be a particularly nasty bout with the flu during which I could barely keep any water down, but I'm feeling considerably better now. Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, and I hope you all had a good weekend and a great past week, one and all.)
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>>3894143
>Talk to Dorian and Julia about their interrupted time in Laoc to see their thoughts on the place...and if anything interesting transpired.
>Apologize for interrupting their time there too, and say you'll make it up to them as soon as you can.
>Then, While Amara's clones are busying themselves, see how she's feeling after her brave fight against the resurrected Hexane.

>>3894144
oof, sorry to hear that. had stomach bugs like that before, not pretty or fun. glad to hear you got over the hump of it though.
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>>3894144
Sorry to hear you were sick i hope it will be over now and not come back again

>>3894143
>>Talk to Dorian and Julia about their interrupted time in Laoc to see their thoughts on the place...and if anything interesting transpired.
>>See how Amara is doing and tell her how good of a girl she was fighting that scary hexxane on her own and that we will share our memories of the Yurei Fight with her(after our guests are gone again) so she can see what happened after she passed out
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>>3894143
>Now's as good a time as any to talk to Francine while she works on repairing the Sui Sacrificium and Void Orrery.
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>>3894143
>>Talk to Dorian and Julia about their interrupted time in Laoc to see their thoughts on the place...and if anything interesting transpired.
>>Write-In
>Apologize for interrupting their time alone, promise to try not to get in a huge fight the next time we split the party.
>Help them set the table in the process. They're mostly done, but do what we can.

>>3894144
Sorry to hear your weekend wasn't a good one. Mine wasn't so hot, either, had to put my cat to sleep. So let's put the unpleasantness of the weekend behind us and focus on the good things in life: being cannibalistic monsters in a horrific meat-covered apocalypse, struggling to survive so that we can one day climb a tower to heaven and kill Space God.
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>>3894170
sorry to hear about your cat Anon, i had.... my own very large unpleasantries, this past bit. seems to have been a cursed section of time, and all involving decay and rot. fits the month, kinda, i suppose, i guess?
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>>3894170
Sorry to hear about your cat....
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>>3894174
My condolences for whatever unpleasantness you were dealing with.
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>>3894179
thanks in return.
have a happy meme bee, to help with things.
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>>3894170
(My condolences, and I do hope that you have a good week going forward, Anon.)

>>3894174
(My sympathies to you as well. I'm sorry to hear everyone had a less than restful weekend, and I do hope to improves everyone's mood a bit with some comfy shenanigans and plot adavancement.)
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>>3894143
>>While Amara's clones are busying themselves, see how she's feeling after her brave fight against the resurrected Hexane.
>>3894144
>>3894170
>>3894174
That's unfortunate. I hope things get better for everyone. For what it's worth, I had a wonderful weekend, but it ended with me getting 4 hours of sleep and now I'm back to getting my ass kicked by my strenuous job.

Reposting to make sure everyone sees, since the thread died right after I posted it before.
Kelly's Story Part 1: First Steps
https://pastebin.com/0KSSLPc9
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“Anything I can do to help?” You ask, approaching the pair of artists as they scramble to set your home to rights. They’re a sight to behold; Julia, her movements elegant despite their frantic intentions, juxtaposed with Dorian’s sharp, precise movements that make the air sizzle with the hint of unseen lightning.

“Oh, um…c-could you, uh…m-make sure everything on the table is centered?” Julia stammers, and as you turn to comply you see the hint of a small smile on Dorian’s lips, his amusement at your task evident. It’s fairly clear that Julia’s just trying to get you out of her way as she’s set on party-prep mode, but if it makes her feel better then you’re certainly not going to argue.

“I’m sorry about pulling you two away from Laoc all of a sudden.” You begin apologetically as you circle the table, ensuring that the mismatched spoons, teacups, and saucers are all in order…which they obviously are, Dorian having been the last to touch them with his unerring hand. “I’ll try not to drag everyone into any fights the next time we split the party…anyway, was there anything interesting? Anything of note?”

“Please, think nothing of it, Miss Shu. In terms of size it was roughly the scope of the Monastery, though much quieter than I was expecting.” Dorian replies in lieu of Julia, casting a glance over to the blonde Artisan as she watches the tea steep with Bobby Fischer-like intensity. “It appears that Laoc operates on a timetable unlike those of which we’ve encountered…which makes sense, given the variety of vendors we saw and the lack of conventional time during the Crucible. We heard whispers of the Mayor, and of some sort of unrest of jubilation that’s going on with the Altered Altar, who aren’t far off…but aside from that, the most remarkable thing was the architecture, by far.”

“Yeah, it was r-really pretty.” Julia chimes in, her meditative observation of the steeping having calmed her nerves a bit. “Whoever crafted the p-place did an incredible j-job. They wove c-calcite and the fleshscape t-together to make p-pillars and streets that looked like m-marbled steak!”

“…Or like actual marble, maybe?” Dorian offers softly, pausing mid-fold of a napkin.

“Oh…oh, y-yeah. That’s p-probably what they were going for.” Julia says sheepishly.

The telltale tang of ozone makes you turn in time to see the rest of your family arrive in a whirl of space and a flurry of color, the Barbers behind them with their eyes wide at the cavernous space that you call your home.

“Holy COW, this place is flippin’ huge! I can’t believe I’m in the Defiants’ inner sanctum!” Rosa gasps in awe, her scarlet eyes wide as she marvels while spinning in place. Her grey, worn hoodie flops about as she twirls, her angular mask barely suppressing her rapidly escalating breaths.

(Continued)
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>>3894288

Gina shoots you a look of apology at being unable to hold the girls back any longer, while Rath and November give the groups some space to get in their ‘oohs and aahs’ while they can, retreating to their rooms until it’s time to socialize. GG joins your side as Julia and Dorian welcome your guests, pulling out their seats, though only three of four are filled. The tall, raven-haired Betty remains standing, her dark eyes are locked onto the FuzzBuzz pit across the room, front teeth biting hard into her bottom lip.

“…is that a ball pit.” She mutters, voice barely audible.

“Totally.” You reply, glancing towards Rosa as the Barber’s leader continues to whip her head back and forth, trying to take in as much detail as humanly possible. “…you want to try it out?”

Betty’s a surge of motion as she practically flows across the space, limbs flailing like a muppet’s as she bounds over to the pit with too-long strides, her utter lack of bones evident with every comical step. She dives in, disappearing beneath the sea of black, white, and yellow only to emerge seconds later, somehow floating on top of the fuzzy swarm as her body undulates with glee.

“I-I’m sorry we don’t have any sweetener or anything like tha…” Julia begins as she clasps her hands primly in front of her, freezing mid-sentence as a bone-chilling crack echoes through the space. The thin, jittery girl known as Sugar pauses as well, having snapped off the index finger of her left hand, and there’s a small ‘plop when she drops it in, the liquid sizzling as it dissolves. With slow, deliberate movements, Sugar snaps off her pinky and ring fingers and adds them to her cup as well, oblivious to the stares of you and your family as she begins to stir the teacup’s contents with her middle finger.

“Jesus Fucking Christ, you guys.” Sia groans, putting her inscrutable face in her hands once she's taken a seta next to her leader. Rosa just chuckles good-naturedly, leaning across the table as her attentions now focus on you.

“Hey, so I was thinking about us going ahead and getting all the business stuff out of the way first and then we can get to the fun stuff, if it’s all the same to you?” She offers, her eyes crinkling with a hidden smile. “You ask us something, we ask you, and we go back and forth until we’re both satisfied! Dinner before dessert, yeah?”

“Hm?” Sugar mumbles, eyes wide at her leader’s statement. Julia’s gaze is transfixed with a certain sort of horror at the congealed, saccharine molasses that the other girl’s turned her tea into, doing her absolute best to conceal her disgust as she distractedly takes a sip of her own.

>>You’d like to hear about the Barber's origins and journey.

>>Ask them about the Skinternet. Its origins, current state, and uses are still a mystery to you.

>>Ask them why they even considered Yurei’s offer. They don’t really seem the type.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen.)
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>>3894291
Damn, kinda wanna ask all three.
but it is a back and forth, so ill start out with...
>You’d like to hear about the Barber's origins and journey.
the beginning seems like the best place, no? might help give better insight to help with question three aswell.
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>>3894291
also, as over the past few years my sweetooth has basically disappeared, what sugar just did is gut churning.
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>>3894291
>Betty instantly goes for the fuzzbuzz ball pit.
First Keane and Amara, now Betty.

The ball pit has claimed another sacrifice. This pleases me.
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>>3894291
>“Hm?” Sugar mumbles, eyes wide at her leader’s statement. Julia’s gaze is transfixed with a certain sort of horror at the congealed, saccharine molasses that the other girl’s turned her tea into, doing her absolute best to conceal her disgust as she distractedly takes a sip of her own.
Oh dear. Betty's committed an act of sacrilege on Julia's Tea.
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>>3894291
>You’d like to hear about the Barber's origins and journey.
>Ask them about the Skinternet. Its origins, current state, and uses are still a mystery to you.
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>>3894291
>>"Julia do we have anything we can offer as snacks? Maybe ask Amara if there is any sugary treats, here she will probably know where it is?"
>>You’d like to hear about the Barber's origins and journey.
Lets start the beginning while enjoying a nice cup of tea and maybe some sweet treats from the pre apocalypse..... I just fear that Amara left none after she discovered Maras sugar Stash

The Skinternet is interesting but i think this will be a better way to start talking about reputations.... ours and theirs

>>3894300
As a massive fan of tea i agree it is but: We could probably ask sugar for some sugar so we can purify/reduce its concentration so Julia can offer the next Guests some sugar for their tea. Lets just make sure Julia does not go ballstic until then
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>>3894317
well if others are gonna double up on the options unnecessarily, id prefer
>>3894291
>>3894296
>Ask them why they even considered Yurei’s offer. They don’t really seem the type.
to be the second thing we ask.
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(Writing now, Gentlemen.)
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>>3894533
(Ah, what a Monday, Gentlemen. I am off to enact some unusual locksmithery so help an associate in need, so I shall post when I can.)
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>>3894676
Take your time Bhop. Work will be intensely busy this week for me.
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>>3894676
So an almost typical day for you?

Anyway Take care not to overwork yourself and take your time, we will be waiting
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I'll be leaving for work soon. If level up voting is gonna happen, please let me know. I'd hate to miss it.
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>>3894692
Well have a good day

I will try and keeep you posted though i kind of doubt it will happen today..... Not with how things are turning out right now
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>>3894676
Now im curious what constitutes 'unusual' locksmithery and if you mean for you or in general.

But yeah, take your time, help your associate.
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“Well, if you don’t mind us going first…I’m kind of curious as to how you started out, how you all met, that sort of thing.” You begin, feeling waves of repulsion practically pouring from where Julia sits on your left. “…Julia? Could you possibly ask Amara is she’s squirreled away any treats she’d be willing to share with our guests?”

“G-gladly.” Julia says, abandoning her cup where it sits to rush off to Amara’s room.

“Well, of our little group I’m pretty sure I was the first one to wake up.” Rosa explains, settling in to her seat with a wiggle of her narrow hips and a sip of her steaming tea. “Woke up, figured out I was a Paladin, killed a couple Amalgams, yadda yadda. Ran into Sia, uh…three? Four days after I woke up?”

“It was two.” Sia gently corrects, fingers curled around the warm cup nestled between her palms.

“Ah, yeah! It was two days.” Rosa affirms, continuing her story. “Figured two heads are better than one, and a couple of days after that we met Sugar. We tussled a little bit, realized how freaky-strong she was, and after she stopped trying to eat us she just started following us around, so...”

Rosa looks to Sugar for some sort of reply, as the latter just sucks the length of her middle finger absent-mindedly, unblinking eyes transfixed across the table at Gina.

“…Blueberries and watermelons.” Sugar mumbles.

“God, Sugar, don’t make things weird.” Sia snaps as GG just glances between the two, confused.

“Oh, it’s a guess at what you taste like.” Rosa says, answering your ally’s unspoken question as Gina’s eyes go wide in dull surprise. “After we got to know each other a bit better, turns out I’m cinnamon, and Betty’s black licorice!”

“I’m an old television screen that’s just been turned off.” Sia mutters irritably. “According to her, anyway.”

“Then Betty joined us about a week ago. We found her in some ruins surrounded by some Daughter’s whose…well, Betty seemed really upset, and when I asked if she wanted to join us, she did. Simple as that.” Rosa continues happily, glancing over to Betty lounging happily in the FuzzBuzz pit, the Barber’s leader showing no signs of remorse for the ridiculous tangent she and her friend just took you all on. “She…she’s really innocent and sweet. Doesn’t like to talk much, and hasn’t shared a ton about herself…I’m patient, though! Just gotta keep being there for her, and I’m sure she’ll talk when she’s ready.”

“You girls certainly have a reputation.” Dorian says quietly, his eyes trained on Rosa in particular. “I’m terribly curious as to how you all became a name of some renown.”

“Oh, we’re messy.” Rosa replies with nonchalance. “Well, I say ‘we’, when it’s really just me and Sugar. I really can’t help it with how my powers work, and Sugar’s been awake for almost a year, so she doesn’t really hold back in a melee.”

(Continued)
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>>3894852

{Yeah…yeah, that backs up what I saw when I was working with her against Yurei} Gina confirms across the empathic channel. {Sugar's strong. She was the main reason we kept Yurei pinned, actually.}

“So, I really been wanting to know…” Rosa says, her wide smile audible as she leans once more across the table with barely-contained glee. “…how’d you find the Contender? That was kinda before you and the other Defiants got on the map, so I’ve been super-curious.”

Huh.

Of all the questions you expected, that certainly wasn’t one of them. You explain a little about the Shrouded City and the circumstances of the Hexane Relic’s acquisition, and you even tell her a little about Karma. She eats it up with childlike wonder, and even with Sia’s incomprehensible expression her interest in your story is betrayed by her posture alone. Even Sugar’s eyes are fixed on yours, though you suspect it’s less the content of your story and more the taste of your skin that she’s mulling over.

“So, what made you consider Yurei’s offer?” You posit, and Rosa just gives you an embarrassed little shrug as Sia scoffs.

“Honestly? I wanted her autograph.” She replies, and Gina stifles a small laugh as Julia returns with an armful of sweets. Amara’s door remains closed however, and you’re suddenly aware that you’re not sure when her Joyous Many disappeared from the room.

“Yeah, uh…that was mainly it.” Rosa affirms with another shrug, her cheeks reddening slightly. “She’s been on my list of names ever since I heard of her. I’ve got Mara and Magpie, though things kind went sideways before I could get Yurei’s, so…but hey! You’re at the top of my list, so things turned out better than I could have imagined! I mean, I’m in your home! This is awesome!”

“So you’re…you’re traveling the Fleshscape to…meet people, basically?” Gina asks incredulously, and Rosa nods enthusiastically. You nod and smile, having quite underestimated the sheer level of fan-girl you’ve invited into your home.

“I mean…what else are we gonna do?” Sia adds with a sigh, folding her arms. “The Cord’s a trap, approaching it is straight-up suicide even at Sugar’s level, and most gatherings of larger Daughters that’re operating with some kinda plan are either religious nutjobs or extremist fanatics…or both. Usually both.”

“It’s not so bad, really.” Rosa concludes. “We see the sights and meet new people!”

“…and then taste them.” Sugar adds helpfully.

>>You really don’t have any other questions, at least at current. Take a moment to relax on the couch with everyone, with your particular attention paid to [Rosa/Sia/Sugar/Betty].

>>Rosa mentioned she had a list, of sorts. Compare notes, and see if there’s anyone else she’s either met or knows of.

>>Ask them about the Skinternet. Its origins, current state, and uses are still a mystery to you.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two and a half hours as I close out the work day, Gentlemen. Also, given your current pace I would day that I'm aiming to initiate the level-up vote tomorrow evening. How does that sound to everyone?)
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>>3894862
godamnit Sugar u stop that.

>Rosa mentioned she had a list, of sorts. Compare notes, and see if there’s anyone else she’s either met or knows of.
>as you do, form yourself some sorta writing utensil, if you cant stealthily find one someplace around this joint, and sign Rosas sheet or something for her.
>Look to Julia, and try to convey you would like some inkling on how Amara is doing and whats wrong with her.

we have Amara to ask about the network, and while, sure, that doesn't mean we cant ask them, it does mean its extremely low priority in my opinion over asking them other things.

>>3894867
i mean, if thats where the flow leads, then sure. id say dont try to prevent it unnaturally from happening sooner or later if thats how things work out.
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>>3894862
>Rosa mentioned she had a list, of sorts. Compare notes, and see if there’s anyone else she’s either met or knows of.

>>"Well if you want my Autograph and i can certainly provide"
>>Give Gina a nudge over the bond you share to ask Julia if she has any idea about how Amara is feeling
>If she has something she wants us to sign take a look at it(as long as it is not a contract give her our autopgraph)
>Spawn her a Fuzzbuzz in red and black
>"but i think i can do you one better. You can keep him"
>>Look over to Sugar
>>"You want one too?"


>>3894867
Sounds good to me
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>>3894883
why red and Black? i think her being a fangirl she would actually prefer a standard one. also, i was saving that til after the party as a going away gift.
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>>3894885
You may be correct that a standard one wold be better

I was thinking of giving her one now to make sure that if something is afoot with Amara that needs our quick attention that Rosa will be busy and we could have some time while she is just fangirling
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>>3894862
>>3894876
add in;
>"Sorry we smashed your opportunity to get Yurei's autograph, things... went differently than i expected there. Guess that means i owe you a different one."
>Hold off on the FuzzBuzzes til later. besides, if Sugar wants to... taste Fuzzbuzz, theres a pit of them over in the corner.

>>3894898
i think the autograph will be more than enough.
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>>3894862
Ammending my vote from >>3894883
to
>Rosa mentioned she had a list, of sorts. Compare notes, and see if there’s anyone else she’s either met or knows of.

>>"Well if you want my Autograph and i can certainly provide"
>>Give Gina a nudge over the bond you share to ask Julia if she has any idea about how Amara is feeling
>>If she has something she wants us to sign take a look at it(as long as it is not a contract give her our autopgraph). Sign with some sort of writing implement. There should be one around in the Lair. If necessary create one from your own constructs(if possible) or ask dorian for one of his brushes.
>>"There are Fuzzbuzz over there. Not sure if they taste like me but you can try one if you want Sugar"
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>>3894862
>“So, I really been wanting to know…” Rosa says, her wide smile audible as she leans once more across the table with barely-contained glee. “…how’d you find the Contender? That was kinda before you and the other Defiants got on the map, so I’ve been super-curious.”
Given how there's a Shu/Julia ship tag, though, there had to have been at least one Daughter watching us before whatever happened to put us on the map. All our shipping fodder with her happened before we got the Contender. Probably there was a Daughter who's been a fan of our show since the early days and whose blog blew up once we started getting a big audience. Would be funny if it turned out to be someone we knew. Like Mara was secretly posting fanart of us ever since she found us all sprawled out after the Kosi heist.

>>Rosa mentioned she had a list, of sorts. Compare notes, and see if there’s anyone else she’s either met or knows of.
>See if she knows anything about the foreign Daughters in the area. They should draw a lot of attention from the Skinternet.

>>3894867
Should work for me.

>>3894902
We should autograph FuzzBuzz, too. That makes him worth more as a collector's item.
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>>3894852
>Blueberries and Watermelon
>Watermelon
>Gina
Wait...BHOP! NO, BAD! I dont think thats the criteria thats supposed the flavor flesh monsters!
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>>3894917
(An excellent catch, Anon.)

>>3894927
(Sugar's assumptions are just that, but I couldn't help the joke, given how Sugar is.)
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>>3894917
>mfw we autograph her Fuzzbuzz
>hear later it made her a soft target as other fangirls try and steal it from her

>>3894954
i have a feeling Sugars only going to be more and more unnervingly weird as fuck interesting as we learn more about her. my first assumption was her 'turning people into candy to eat' thing was more of a personality thing, then outright deliberate or intended. i was wrong, very wrong it seems. she really truly just wants to taste the world as sweets it seems. even those she cares about enough to not actually eat.
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>>3894965
> she really truly just wants to taste the world as sweets it seems. even those she cares about enough to not actually eat.
I wonder if she's got synesthesia? It would explain why she associates certain tastes with people even though there should be no reason for them to taste that way. Something like lexical-gustatory synesthesia, where the synesthete experiences a taste whenever they hear a certain word, only adapted for her senses as a Daughter.
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>>3894985
i could see it, or at least being related. though BHOP implying she potentially isnt right about Ginas taste and Sia tasting like static implies its different than sound-into-taste. could be a mix of things though, id imagine the crucible could and would mess with a condition like that heavily.
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(Writing now, Gentlemen. Forgot my name on the last post.)
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>>3894862

When Julia settles next to you after doling out a selection of small cookies and hard confections, Gina connects with her mind at your prompting to inquire about Amara's well-being while you keep the Barbers' attention on you.

"I'm sorry I ended up blowing your shot at getting Yurei's autograph, but I'd by happy to give you one, if you'd like." You offer, and just when you didn't think Rosa's eyes could open any wider, they do. She surprises you by immediately rising from her chair, rolling up her sleeve and thrusting out her arm across the table, presenting her wrist without a second thought. You blink, then she does, and suddenly she's tripping over her words, fishing through her hoodie pockets to retrieve something.

"Uh, Rosa? I don't think Shu's gonna..." Sia begins, her posture changing to one of distinct discomfort as she adjusts in her seat while her friend continues to fumble.

"Hold on a sec....ah! Here we go!" Rosa finishes, retrieving a capped scalpel and presenting it to you, handle-first. You open your mouth to ask what she expects you to do when the steady drip of liquid on your table makes you glance from her left hand to her right arm. Her bare skin is suddenly awash with rivulets of blood from a menagerie of signatures and sets of initials that weep with scarlet, oozing scars that weren't there a moment before. Dorian and Julia immediately bolt up from their seats in the face of the open wounds and Rosa's confused expression.

"What's wro...oh, don't worry about it! Re-opening wounds is one of my specialties! See?" Rosa declares proudly, and the small puddle of blood beneath her arm trembles, falling upward in a rapidly-moving reverse-stream. In seconds, your table is spotless once more, her woulds having siphoned her the scarlet pool back into her body from whence it drained.

"Rosa, I'm afraid I'm going to have to pass on that particular form of autograph." You politely decline, and you find yourself guilty as Rosa's expression drops, in spite of her gruesome form of flattery. "However, I'll do you one better; I have something in mind that I think you might like, if you'd be willing to receive it as a parting gift a little later?"

Rosa's face immediately perks up, her gloom replaced with wonder and awe once more.

"Wait, like...a gift-gift? From you?" She mutters, and you give her a nod paired with a warm smile, one of relief as she thankfully rolls her sleeve back down. "Oh my God, I'd love you forever..."

She blinks.

"...No offense." Rosa adds after a quick glance Gina's way.

"None taken." Gina replies dryly, giving you a sideways look like the once she shot you with when you extended the invitation to the Barbers in the first place.

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>>3895256

"Now, you mentioned a list? I've been trying to brush on on the names-to-know in the Fleshscape...think you could help me a out a little with making a list of my own?" You ask, and upon Rosa's fervent nod you turn to the gentleman two chairs to your left. "Dorian, would you be so kind as to bring Rosa some paper and something to write with."

"Gladly, Miss Shu." She says with some relief at having an excuse to leave the table, though her swiftly and dutifully returns mere moments later from his room. Rosa immediately sets to work compiling a who's-who, and while Sia finishes her tea and Sugar's shattered fingers quickly begin to regrow, you take a moment to open the Crimson Cord to Gina.

[What's the word on Amara? Is she okay?]

{Yeah, she's fine, actually} Gina replies, a grin spreading across her lips. {According to Julia, she's practicing against some of her Joyous clones with her calcite blade. Julia thought she was beating herself up about getting hurt in the last fight, but it turns out that when she pouted about that to her Dream Daughters, Cheruem offered to give her lessons. She perked right up, and they're going at it as we speak}

You have to admit some level of relief at the nature of Amara's seclusion, so when Rosa slides the list across the table, you're able to follow along with her explanations with a clear mind.

"See these three at the top? These are some Daughters that've been released pretty recently, and they're all fairly local or moving super-fast." She begins as Sia leans over to take a look as well. "One's a woman of few words, and the Skinternet's taken to calling her 'Revolution' 'cause she uses this big 'ol guillotine thing to fight in melee, along with some weird Neuromancy that people are still trying to hash out. Plus, she's French, so there's that. Seems kinda nice, doesn't pick any fights she doesn't need to. Solid autograph opportunity. The second's a German girl who everyone's dubbed Rammstein. Less of an opportunity there, since she's super-trigger-happy, and her sonic attacks can just flippin' melt people down and scatter them to the winds, to say nothing of the collateral damage. The last of 'em is Nuckelavee, and she legit hasn't said a word since she started trudging to the Cord; she's just been plucking away at the strings in her chest, playing these weird, atonal tunes. Some of them are songs people recognize, some of them aren't. Hard to tell if she'd give me an autograph, but no harm in trying!"

You scan down the list of familiar names, biting your tongue at the obvious and suicidal risks inherent in Rosa's plan as you pick your way through the hastily-scrawled missive.

"Who're these last two?" You ask, running your finger along the final duo of unfamiliar code names. "'Nerada' and 'Alpha'?"

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>>3895267

"Just one of the strongest Hive Mistresses alive!" Rosa declares with a grin, one that quickly runs away from her face. "...A-aside you you, obviously. Word has it that she hybridized her Hive Core with a Gluttonous power at the same time she made her Choice, and she's just been running with that for the past year and a half. She's around maybe eight or nine, but she's practically *become* her swarm now. She usually sticks to the shadows...since she kinda looks like one, actually. A big one, at that. Billions of little spiders that can strip a Daughter to the Core in the blink of an eye."

"And Alpha?" You ask, though you feel you already know the answer as you spare a glance behind you, the Forge room's soft glow flickering out of the frame.

"One of the Wests. The strongest one aside from the real deal, to be more specific." Rosa explains, screwing up her face in disgust. "Most of the Wests just do research and stuff, but Alpha's got none of their curiosity. She's just...kind of like a Terminator? Just this cold, hard bloodlust. I think she's really two-dimensional, but she's got her fans, regardless. The Forge-Halo fusion doesn't help counter the motif, if I'm being honest. I don't really think her or Nerada are the autograph ty..."

"Wait, what did you say about a fusion?" You interrupt.

"Oh...um, West Prime fused four level-five Forge Cores to her Alpha clone, along with a piece or two of Hexane tech and a whole mess of perma-bound Relics." Rosa explains, mildly surprised at your own startled expression. "You've...you've got one of the clones with you...did you not ask about the OG West or what she's been up to? She's a mover second only to, like...Mara, really. Lotsa' irons in the fire. So many."

You just nod, sharing a glance with Gina as you make a mental note to have a sit-down with Francine to determine exactly what you'll be facing when you take her up on her plan.

"Anyway, that's really it...so..." Rosa trails off, glancing towards the bar with a longing glance. "...do you think we could take you up on that drink offer from earlier?"

Sia perks up, and even Sugar's aimless gaze sharpens at the mention of your standing offer.

Uh...given how the Barbers have presented themselves, you're not exactly sure drinking would be the best idea. Then again, you *did* extend the offer...though no-one said it had to be today. You've given yourself some outs if you want to be cautious, or you could certainly just be worrying over nothing.

How weird could things get?

>>Go ahead and drink with them. It'll be nice to relax, and after you've had a drink or two you can send them on their way and have a sit-down feast with just your Family.

>>You're afraid they mind not make the best drinkers, so you'd like to tactfully put them off until another time, if you can.

>>Well, you'd like some time to relax with your family...maybe you could ask them to give you some time to prepare, then have a party?

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, I shall be pausing here for the evening to try and catch up a bit on the Pastebins. Also, if there's anything in particular that you see needs touching up, please bring it to my attention and I'll add it to the queue. Voting shall remain open for the next thirteen hours, with posting to resume in approximately fifteen, give or take.)

(Thank you so very much for bearing with me through the long break, and I greatly appreciate your patience, enthusiasm, and participation. I wish you a restful evening and take care, one and all.)
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>>3895267
well, good on Cherum for helping Amara out. glad to see Amaras doing well back there.

>>3895281
dayum. didnt even know you could do tht with Forge Cores. i mean, kinda makes sense, but still Forge-Halo, that sounds terrifying. i think we found West-Primes 'problem solver'.

>>3895281
>>Go ahead and drink with them. It'll be nice to relax, and after you've had a drink or two you can send them on their way and have a sit-down feast with just your Family.
i mean, its gonna get super, SUPER weird and/or wild. but even an iffy, kinda harsh victory is still a victory, and should be celebrated. plus, they're already here, the fights fresh in everyones heads, best time to party and get to know eachother. i think things will work out with us and the Barbers, but in a much different way than the Midnight Crew for sure. Sia seems to be the only truly rational one in their group, compared to the Midnight Crew where even Keane had some grounding to her, if that makes sense.

>>3895288
have a good evening BHOP! cant think of anything you wouldn't already know, but if i see anything missed once you get things worked on, ill let ya know.
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>>3895281
>>3895288
though, i do have one odd comment. or more, i got confused for a moment, as i could've sworn someone had called the polish girl 'A' 'Alpha' aswell. though, could just be an issue on Rosas part, as most call the Wests 'West-X'. c'mon girl, your a fangirl, making sure everyone's names are unique and easy to differentiate should be part of your whole thing!
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>>3895291
(The Polish girl you met is unknown to the Skintalkers. Yurei found out about her through very different means, of a sort that bypassed 'A's normal protections. Yurei used Alpha to refer to A, and that's the only point of reference Ivey had when looking for her. Had you not stumbled across Ivey when you did, she and her team would have run afoul of a very different and far less kind Alpha. I hope that clears things up.)
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>>3895299
so it does, thank you. guess we dodged a bullet then, or well, helped someone else dodge one?

huh, 'A' just gets more and more interesting.
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>>3895281
>Go ahead and drink with them. It'll be nice to relax, and after you've had a drink or two you can send them on their way and have a sit-down feast with just your Family.
>"Two shots is my limit ladies. I don't want to party hard for today, I've got some errands to run to and a family trip to Laoc owed for my family."
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>>3895281
>>3895289
Amending to add;
>prepare to just relax and enjoy the Barbers and your Families company for the rest of the day. Loac and other things can wait til tomorrow, after the day you have had.
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>>3895288
>Nerada
>Rumia.
Bhop. your 2hu is showing.
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>>3895385
wait, but she has no body, not no head.

>>3895288
also, found a neat armor pic. think it would fit the Sui Interitus well personally.

also, i feel like we have been neglecting both Suis unique extra attributes. but its also hard to remember every little useful thing about every relic and every ability.
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>>3895408
it's a head with less of the miko.
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>>3895281
>How weird could things get?

You had to say it, BHOP.

>>>Go ahead and drink with them. It'll be nice to relax, and after you've had a drink or two you can send them on their way and have a sit-down feast with just your Family.
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>>3895385
(Yes, good.)

>>3895408
(Ah, I really like this design. Thanks for sharing!)

>>3894230
(Thanks for posting this! I can't wait to dive in when I get the chance, Anon.)
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>>3895408
Remind me and answer if accurate
>Tormentis's unique ability - armor lockdown where the wearer gets rooted to the spot
>Interitus's unique ability - burst movement by sacrificing Health regen?
>Sacrificium's unique ability - cutting into max hp for speed boost?
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>>3895281
>>>Go ahead and drink with them. It'll be nice to relax, and after you've had a drink or two you can send them on their way and have a sit-down feast with just your Family.

We should make as many allies as we can, but I hope this doesnt turn into a fangirl horror story. Also, we should ask about the barber's pre crucible life, if they are willing to share.
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>>3895281
>>Go ahead and drink with them. It'll be nice to relax, and after you've had a drink or two you can send them on their way and have a sit-down feast with just your Family.
>>"Anything specific we can offer you? our Mister Dorian over here makes some excellent Cocktails or we can offfer you quite the variety of Wine and Liqeurs if you are more interested in those"

>>3895299
So its a good thing we managed to stumble across them when we did. I would hate for them to have gotten snatched up by West as well
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>>3895694
Then impose a drink limit. That's why I'm setting a restriction of "two shots only, no further."
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>>3895715
That's a good idea, but I meant fangirl horror story by something else though, like not being nice enough to a fangirl and then all the love she has for the object of her affection turns to hate. If she spergs out while drinking but is otherwise benign, I would say it's fine. I was just thinking that we shouldn't want the barber's as enemies.

How much booze is in here, anyway? Will we have to go scavenge for more, ever?
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>>3895725
I think Mara had a considerable stash packed away. That is at least what OP implied last time we had a party

So it should be fine unless they are botomless drinkers.

Granted not impossible with how Regen works but i think they know that there is limit out of sheer politeness they should probably stick to
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>>3895730
>>3895725
I think we should also impose a 2-shot limit for the guests too out of safety.
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>>3895733
>>3895725
>>3895730
dont, thats dumb inconsiderate and a terrible sign of not trusting them. its a get together and a party, the point is to just let loose and celebrate a bit, for us and for them. we had plenty and more to do when we brought over the Midnight Crew and had no more reason to trust them aswell by then, yet we still didn't arbitrarily limit them or anyone elses ability to enjoy themselves.

trying to do this also just feels like trying to hurry them up and shove them out the door, which is super rude. we have time, hell, half the point of Laoc is to relax further, which it would be silly to ignore an opportunity to relax one way so you can rush to relaxing another way.

>>3895374
>>3895281
this BHOP, was basically supposed to counteract the '2 limit' on

>>3895365
or so was what i was trying to do.
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>>3895670
>Tormentis- can lock itself down to gain triple its current protection and repair itself. it may now pick an ability every combat to boost by one level.

>Interitus- can prime an automatic block of a single attack by locking down ones Bio Regen for the turn, with it being less of a danger as half comes back if the block goes unused. Can lock itself down to exchange permanent Bio Regen loss for 10% stat increases over the 3/2% increases.
the Blocks become stackable at the next level to, and the Burst reserve increases to a 20% increase too. at the lat level its 40% per, and stops negating Regen.

>Sacrificium
no idea yet, we'll see. id imagine at its base it works off similar concepts.
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>>3895730
its also been implied i think Dorian restocks some things. or well, maybe he just got excited over someone doing that, but id not put it past him regardless.
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>>3895791
Did this>>3895730 implied that there should be a limit on their alcohol intake?

Because it was supposed to just highlight that most of them will have a hard time getting drunk and that we won't have to worry about running out just jet. We can limit Shus alcohol intake bit we won't try to lock theirs down. They have to know their own limits and if they get rowdy we will just have to lock them down until they are sober again
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>>3895816
I was just linking my counter argument to who the other Anon was making the argument to.
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>>3895820
I did not believe that was necessary but fair enough.
I was just a bit confused due to how you linked it.
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Good morning, everyone. Missed most of yesterday's thread due to being sick. What did I miss?

Okay, not too much, that's good. Rosa wants us to cut her open, we're going to give her a FuzzBuzz instead, Amara is training sword fighting with Cheruem (aww, Cherry, I knew you cared) and we got some information on the foreign Daughters and a few other big deals. Not much new on the French girl. More information on the German's Generator ability is nice, though. Nuckelavee is strange, though, playing music on her chest. Maybe some heavily-derived Skintalker ability, manifest through music instead of words? Could be it's not that she won't talk but that she can't, her strings are her only means of communication

As for the other two...shit, there's a Daughter that's become one of the Vashta Nerada? Great. Okay, I think we need a new standing order to be constantly on guard for any party members growing a second shadow. We see that, we get Rath to nuke the entire surrounding area.

And West Alpha is weird. The Proxies are named in the order Prime built them. Francine is West Beta, and being a copy of a very early form of Francine West has descended into sociopathy the least. The farther down the list you go, the more similar to West Prime's current mental state they are. So why is West Alpha a killer robot? She should be the most humane of all of them. My guess is that she was so humane, so unwilling to comply with Prime's wishes, that she rebelled. And then instead of kill her, Prime stripped her of her free will with the implants. Both because Proxies are a useful asset that she'd rather recycle than scrap, and because she wants some sort of poetic revenge against Alpha.
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>>3895791
Nah you're right. Fuck the drink limit, it's not how to make friends and it is very inconsiderate. They seem like nice people.
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>>3895281

“Well, that settles all the actual business talk I wanted to attend to.” You say, rising from the table as you stretch your arms above your head. “"Anything specific we can offer you? Our Mister Dorian over here makes some excellent Cocktails or we can offer you quite the variety of wine and liqueurs if you are more interested in those"

“I’ll have some more tea, maybe spike with something that’ll compliment it. Best of both worlds.” Sia adds tactfully, a statement that goes over with both Artisans quite well as they set about preparing some drinks. When you order your usual Rosa does the same, and soon both of you are sitting across from each other on the circular couch with the table between you, sipping matching Bee’s Knees contentedly. Sugar quietly requests a sampling of tequila, and somehow Dorian manages to scrounge some up, much to his guest’s delight. Rosa’s in the middle of explaining that Betty doesn’t drink when Rath and November emerge from the former’s room, giving each other a quick hug before Heather Neeson disappears into the Forge room and Rath settles down next to Sugar as she sticks her tongue into her glass of green liquid experimentally.

“Sorry ‘bout that, guys.” Rath says, getting comfortable. “So, what’d I misSWOAH WHAT THE FUCK?!”

Sugar’s just licking her lips, savoring the taste of where she dragged her tongue up Rath’s left cheek as your brawler flings herself back and into you, almost making you spill your drink all over Gina just as she’s sitting down on your right with her own glass of wine.

“SUGAR! NO!” Sia barks, slamming her drink down on the table and plating herself firmly between Sugar and Rath, the latter spluttering as her face goes a bright shade of red. “They’re not us! You ASK. We talked about this!”

“Mm…Orange Julius. Summer solstice. Hint of bell peppers. Unusually complex, yet…pleasant.” Sugar mutters to herself, turning to fix her pastel-colored gaze on Rath. “May I have another?”

Rath rounds on you for some sort of explanation, and a recap of your guests’ quirks filtering rapidly into her mind through the empathic channel. She blinks, glancing back to Sugar who’s still leaning over Sia’s lap and awaiting her victim’s answer.

“Dude, I…we’re cool, but just warn me first, alright?” Rath mumbles, sitting upright and happily accepting the cup of spiked tea that Julia places in her waiting hands. With everyone present all outfitted with their drinks of choice, Dorian and Julia settle in together at the furthest point on the couch, able to keep an eye on everyone while also keeping a healthy distance from Sugar.

“So, Gina!” Rosa begins, wiggling in her seat as she carefully sets her empty drink back down on the table…though you realize it’s odd that you didn’t see her raise it to her lips. “After the fight, I saw you typing away on your phone. What’s up with that?”

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>>3896066

“Ha, yeah. It’s a little thing I put together with Neuromancy and a little tech know-how.” Gina explains with a self-satisfied smile. “I used to build my own computers, in fact.”

“Oh, that’s really neat and all, but I was gonna ask you what you were writing!” Rosa clarifies, and you watch as the color promptly drains from your girlfriend’s cheeks. “I write, myself! Sugar helps me upload stuff to the boards when I’ve written something out, and I’ve even got a few followers!”

“Shoot, you *both* write?” Rath whistles, legitimately impressed. “I like reading, but I’ve always been garbage at essays and stories and such. I’d love to read some, if you two are up for sharing.”

“I just d-dabble, really.” Gina stutters, practically retreating into her hoodie at the mention of her fics. “I’d never feel comfortable uploading, for real…”

“You should, I’m sure it’s great!” Rosa urges, oblivious to Gina’s growing anxiety. “I got my start by writing Nevermarrow, but that’s kinda died down since Mara’s left for the Cord. Blackshell is one of the top categories overall, while Jack Noir’s been picking up steam thanks to some fantastic works by…ow!”

Sia snaps her leg out, giving her leader a swift kick in the shin under the table.

“Oi, what’d we talk about? No bugging our hosts with ship-shit.” The Barber’s Neuromancer chastises, her drink practically untouched as she tries to wrangle her teammates into a modicum of civility. You can tell by Sia’s posture that she’s on edge, while Rosa’s lack of social graces leave her continually prodding Gina for examples of her writing so they can compare notes, while Sugar’s…

…just staring at you, her wide pastel eyes unblinking as she licks her lips in curiosity, her empty glass resting between her skinny knees.

Oh dear.

If you and the Barbers are to relax properly, you’re going to have to divide and conquer. Julia and Dorian have been utterly stellar and look utterly exhausted, so you’d like to leave them out of this, if you can. Tactics, strategy, and a plan of attack; your hive thrums with anticipation as the gears in your mind turn, a path to glorious victory taking shape in your mind’s eye…

…mark your words, this party will be a success.

>>Have Gina talk writing with Rosa, while you throw Rath to Sugar’s dubious mercy. Sia looks like she needs a break, and you think some pleasant conversation’s in order.

>>You’ll spare Gina some embarrassment and indulge Rosa about her writing, while Gina grants Sia a reprieve. Rath is stuck with Sugar…you salute her valiant and involuntary sacrifice.

>> Gina talks to Sia, while rath runs interference against Rosa’s rampant fangirling. As for you…you’ll fall on the kooky sword that is Sugar.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen.)
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>>3896067
>Gina talks to Sia, while rath runs interference against Rosa’s rampant fangirling. As for you…you’ll fall on the kooky sword that is Sugar.
Sugar's basically Brueno from jojo part 5, with that goddamn weird fetish of hers.
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>>3896071
Pic related is Sugar's habit right?
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>>3896066
DAMNIT SUGAR, HAHA. seriously shes more like an odd pet than a person almost.

>>3896067
these people are a delight in the worst sense of the word.
> Gina talks to Sia, while rath runs interference against Rosa’s rampant fangirling. As for you…you’ll fall on the kooky sword that is Sugar.
we'll take one for the team, while i dont want Rosa pestering Gina over something shes not ready for.

i was gonna suggest some sorta game or something to distract everyone with for a bit, but im not a party type of person so none came to mind that would fit the necessary criteria. plus, even with one, seating arrangement wise, id still try to set this up.
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>>3896067
>> Gina talks to Sia, while rath runs interference against Rosa’s rampant fangirling. As for you…you’ll fall on the kooky sword that is Sugar
>>See if you can create some different kinds if swarmlings for Sugar to taste(to distract her with) and see if the different attributes have different tastes
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>>3896067
>“You should, I’m sure it’s great!” Rosa urges, oblivious to Gina’s growing anxiety. “I got my start by writing Nevermarrow, but that’s kinda died down since Mara’s left for the Cord. Blackshell is one of the top categories overall, while Jack Noir’s been picking up steam thanks to some fantastic works by…ow!”
Nevermarrow is obviously Magpie/Mara, crows and bones. I don't know who Blackshell would include. But Jack Noir is definitely some pairing involving a member of the Midnight Crew, given that Jack Noir is a Homestuck character. Maybe Jackie/Ace, since Ace is Melancholic Humor, the "black bile"? Or it could be Jackie/someone else entirely, no need for internal shipping.
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>>3896089
'Shell' is probably us. bug shells. wasn't 'jack noir' us? due to that whole scene we did with her? i think she also said Shu/jack was on the popular side, and id somehow also not be surprised if Rosa was staying mostly 'on topic' as it was, to who she is around. plus, new and upcoming characters and shows always have a new burst of popularity to put them in the main spotlight, which seems to exactly be us.

for worse or worser.
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>>3896067
Write in:
>Spawn an arm with Hundred Handed, slather it in honey, use it as the main bait for Sugar.

>If Sugar goes for Shu's cheek or honey covered arm or face without verbalizing her permission, repel with another pair of arms that hold her down on her seat.
> *waggle one finger in a chastising manner* "What did Sia say? Say it, or else no honey for you."
>After Sugar verbalizes asking for permission, present the spare arm drizzled in honey for Sugar to slather her tongue over.

>Spawn several Rooks to do teleport castling shenanigans, make it a game in order to tire Sia out with her love for tasting new things and people.

>Interject in Rosa's conversation:
>"Are there any wholesome WAFF stories or is it just crack pairings and smut?"
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>>3896099
yeah no id very much prefer not to do this. its one thing to take the fall of being with Sugar or even letting her lick us once if she asks, but thats just... a bit too over the line for me.

plus that line to Rosa feels a bit out of place in its wording for me for Shu.
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>>3896067

Oh gods, this is an absolute ridiculous disaster in slow motion and I love it. Seconding >>3896088.
I'll say I'm curious just how much smut we need to protect/have adult talks with Amara about. I am seriously hoping that the skinternet is not destroying her precious innocence. Not quite concerned enough to get into it now, but damn am I worried for her.
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>>3896105
There is probably a lot............... I am pretty sure that Gina's fics are gonna be harmless in comparison....... In quantity and subject......

That one filter proposed in the last vein suddenly seems very appealing.....
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>>3896097
Could be us. "Shell" might be referring to a Calcite Armorer, though. Isn't Mara's armor called the Steelshell, if I'm remembering right? Mara and Jackie had some contact before, I could see people shipping them. Jack Noir being Shu/Jackie seems plausible, though. What's the ship name for Shu/Gina, I wonder? Does the fandom not like that one because it's canon and contradicts the other pairings?

>>3896099
Yeah, I think that's a bit too condescending to Sugar. She's a huge weirdo with boundary issues, but that's treating her more like a dog.
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>>3896099
>>3896067
Amending my vote to just support >>3896088

>>3896115
The Gina/Shu pairing's already got a name called "Defiant heart" which references Shu and Gina's Titles "The Defiant" and "The Heartbound"
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>>3896118
>The Gina/Shu pairing's already got a name called "Defiant heart" which references Shu and Gina's Titles "The Defiant" and "The Heartbound"
Oh, that's right, I forgot we heard that one already. And Julia/Dorian is Julian. We also heard the first letter of the ship name for Shu/Isabel, it was a B, so I'm betting it's "Bug's Bunny".
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>>3896067

>>You’ll spare Gina some embarrassment and indulge Rosa about her writing, while Gina grants Sia a reprieve. Rath is stuck with Sugar…you salute her valiant and involuntary sacrifice.

This option lets maximum mayhem take place, and puts Rath in a funny situation, maximizing the number of unknowns. This going to be FUN! :-)
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>>3896115
>Jackie – The Jack of All Spades
>Quinn – The Queen of Vindictive Hearts
>Keane – The King of Crazy Diamonds
>Ace – The Ace of Morbid Clubs

'Black' almost certainly is Jackie or Ace. so it probably is Jackie/Ace, though Ace even at her best was very mild in every sense of the manner, but i guess im a fool if i think Shippers wont turn that into 'mystery girl' material.
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>>3896123
well, thats just being a dick to Rath.
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>>3896123
So you want another Brawl in the hideout?

Because that is what will happen and I can go without that for the day and I think dju would like to avoid it as well
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>>3896067
>Gina talks to Sia, while rath runs interference against Rosa’s rampant fangirling. As for you…you’ll fall on the kooky sword that is Sugar.
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>>3896071
oh, and i forgot to mention it, and somehow no one else did, but im still chuckling hard at the mental image of Betty muppet running into the ballpit. just the idea that such a reserved girl didnt just go to the ballput, but vibrated with excitement and muppet ran into it. goddamn im pretty sure im gonna die of laughter by the end of our time with the Barbers.
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>>3896067
>> Gina talks to Sia, while rath runs interference against Rosa’s rampant fangirling. As for you…you’ll fall on the kooky sword that is Sugar.

>>3896138
Yeah, the Barbers are fun. Oh, hey, we still need to ask them why they're called "the Barbers". I bet there's a silly story explaining that.
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>>3896138
I'm also sure she's gonna be the one that has to be dragged away screaming "noooo but ballpit!"
>>3896067
>Betty is in Nirvana. She shudders in contentment as the ballpit vibrates alongside her. The downy fur rubbing all over her body creates a pleasant fuzzy sensation that she just couldn't get enough of.
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>> Gina talks to Sia, while rath runs interference against Rosa’s rampant fangirling. As for you…you’ll fall on the kooky sword that is Sugar.

We should have Rath talk about Rosa's fanfics with her, too. Not keep her fangirling down, but turn it up. I want to know more about these ships.

And definitely not treat Sugar like a dog. She's a human(?), dammit.

>>3896138
Pic related.
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>>3896153
>>3896144
nice Gif, fit the mental image well enough.

>>3896143
yeah, we should ask them.

oh and i did think of a game to play with them. its called 'Rude Coloring', in which the point is to purposefully guess the rudest color you can for what is someones favorite color, in order to get them to talk about themselves to counter said choice. the rudeness is mitigated by the fact its a joke choice, or so is supposed to be the point. one person starts, and basically you go, the persn last picked picking someone new, til the last person complete the circle.

for example, you might pick 'Cherry Red' for Rath, or 'Static Gray' for Sia, though im sure others could pick better options.
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>>Rude Coloring

I... kind of want a Rook sized FuzzBuzz with a giant bee-afro making terrible paintings of us all using those colors.
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>>3896164
Using smaller FuzzBuzzes as brushes, and a big plateling as a canvas.
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>>3896170
>>3896164
A picture of Shu in the Mona Lisa pose.
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>>3896173
>look on everyone's face as Shu turns her eyebrows into swarmlings and makes them walk away to be more authentic.
well fuck you too 4chan, no idea where that image went.
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>>3896164
Would he be Bob Buzz or Fuzz Ross?

Or Buzz Boss
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>>3896187
Buzz Boss sounds more like a yakuza/Mafia Don of the imfamous FuzzBuzz swarm.
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>>3896187
Buzz Ross is probably the best sounding i think.
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>>3896192
I think Boss Buzz works better for that. "Ey, this is Boss Buzz's turf, don't you go walking in here and disrespectin' the bees."
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>>3896067
ah damn, think votings past its due, but i was gonna add
>If Amara doesn't come out to join her, or Betty come to Julia and Dorian, have a few of the ballpit FuzzBuzzes activate to keep Betty company.
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I wonder what happened to the moon? I wonder if we will go all ff4 and have some of the adventure take place on it. Maybe we'll even meet the DO's over there later.
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>>3896252
nah, the DOs are implied to be going as a whole much much further than that, much too close to keep anyone near, too big a risk.
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Your plan of attack spears across the empathic channel, drawing a deep sense of relief from both of your closest allies as Gina moves to sit next to Sia, engaging her in conversation while Rath takes her drink and settles beside Rosa, plying her with questions about the complex nature of ships and the fics that highlight them. Finishing off the rest of your Bee’s Knees with a daring swig, you scoot a little closer to Sugar, not having to move as much as you thought due to her shuffling closer to you in turn.

“Hey.” You begin, quite unsure how to start a conversation with the pale-skinned young woman, and you watch as she tucks her legs underneath herself, adopting an unnervingly meditative pose aimed squarely at you.

“Hello.” She replies softly, letting her reply hang in the air, wide eyes roving over you intently as she holds back the very obvious desire to ask you for a taste.

“So…this power of yours.” You start, regretting your direction even as the words leave your lips. “How does it work?”

“Tastes, smells, colors…they all blended, before the Crucible.” Sugar explains, the first lengthy and coherent sentence she’s uttered since you met her. “After I woke up, they whirled together with memory, time, and more wondrous things. Everyone is unique, with their own profile and nuances. Constructs are…unsatisfying. Diluted. No fun. Core biomass is best. Even parts of people taste differently, and those flavors have themselves certain subtleties depending on their frame of mind. I wove Neuromancy and Humoral Paladin into my Core, and the results have been…illuminating.”

“Triple-hybrid? Nice.” You comment, impressed. She doesn’t even move, eyes locked on your hand. You stifle a sigh, sparing a slightly nervous glance towards Gina before you offer your hand to the slender girl before you.

“…Go ahead. You have my permission.” You relent, and Rosa almost immediately flips your hand over to where your wrist is exposed, the small vein there pulsing with your quickening heartbeat. Sugar leans down, tongue darting over the sensitive skin once, then twice before gently lowing your hand back into your lap and closing her eyes, an act almost reverent in its deliberate movements and quite different from the way she treated your hot-blooded friend.

“Honey.” She murmurs, and for a startling moment you think she’s addressing you before she continues rattling off other flavors. “Strawberries. Spring. Almonds. Rebirth. Amaretto. Sunlight, and…there’s more. This is…unprecedented.”

Her eyes open, and there’s an awed expression in her gaze that wasn’t there before, a sharp and sudden lucidity in her now-vibrant spheres as she regards you with a look of wonder.

“…Wow.” She mutters breathlessly.

You clear your throat awkwardly, tuning in to the conversations around you as you break away from Sugar’s piercing gaze.

(Continued)
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>>3896252
Presumably it's still there, outside the membrane. I think the disassociated are headed a lot farther than the moon, though. The moon is terrible real estate. Very little volatiles or useful minerals. Much better to go to Mars, the asteroid belt, or Jupiter.
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Rath actually seems to be enjoying herself, she and Rosa animatedly talking about fics, in a fervent discussion of their extreme fondness for Fluff fics and the growing and vocal group of Skintalkers attempting to replace the term wish ‘Fuzz Fics’, much to your amusement. Switching gears, you overhear Gina asking technical questions about Neuromancy and how Sia’s condition manifested, with the two of them throwing out slang regarding their complex power sets that completely goes over your head. A glance over to the ball pit reveals Betty still contentedly floating atop the soft mass, and with a twitch of your hive you activate a few of the swarm to vibrate pleasantly and dance bout, much to the childish girl’s delight. As for your artists…

…you were right to let them rest. Their glasses are empty and their eyes are closed, Julia’s head resting on Dorian’s shoulder as the two breathe deeply from the realm of sleep. Smiling at the sight, you turn back to Sugar to find her exactly as you left her, pastel eyes slowly filling with a brighter swirl of colors as she cocks her head at you.

“Another taste, another question.” She offers, insistently. “I’ve seen much, and tasted more. I can tell you things, things you’ll find useful.”

You blink, eyes wide.

Oh God.

You glance over the girl’s narrow shoulders to see Gina with her back still to you, fully immersed in her conversation with a much-relieved and far more relaxed Sia. You…probably shouldn’t take Sugar up on her offer, considering the slippery slope that could lead you into hot water with Gina. Then again, given how she’s been in the past…hell, she might be all for it.

Eyes darting around for a substitute, you realize that Sugar’s glass is still empty, so maybe you could refill it and ply her for information the old-fashioned way? You also note Sugar’s arm, the skin of her spindly limb more closely resembling saltwater taffy stretched taught over skin and bones, her candy-glass nails bitten to the quick and digging into the flesh of her legs in anticipation.

Given how she broke her own fingers off to sweeten Julia’s tea, you have to wonder how she…

Stop. Nope. Enough of that.

You swallow hard, blaming Gina for being a bad influence and trying desperately to derail your unfortunate train of thought, all the while pondering best to deal with the enigma known as Sugar.

>>Despite the not-entirely-unpleasant experience, you’re not keen on letting Sugar have too much leeway. Offer to refill her drink, and talk to her a little more about her allies and what she thinks of them.

>>…Oh god, you’re going to regret this. Let her have another taste, and ask your question. If she’s been awake as long as Rosa thinks, then this might be a useful opportunity (Write-In).

>>Sugar’s intent on tasting others, but has anyone ever…no. Nope. Never mind….unless…? Nah, that’d just get…but maybe?

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours.)
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>>3896267
>Start off easing into this a bit, ask her about her teammates, as they shouldn't have too high a price. soften her up with talk about yours first, if need be.
>Then, as much as you may regret it, sigh and ask your question.
>"...know anything about 'the Mother of All?' or should i say, tasted anything about that?"
>after chuckling like a silly person at your own joke, hold out your arm again. "Keep it civil Sugar, im a taken woman, remember that."
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>>3896261
>“Honey.” She murmurs, and for a startling moment you think she’s addressing you before she continues rattling off other flavors. “Strawberries. Spring. Almonds. Rebirth. Amaretto. Sunlight, and…there’s more. This is…unprecedented.”
So, I'm not sure if this is at all relevant or if I'm just going on a crazy tangent, but strawberries, almonds and amaretto (which is often made with almonds) all contain high quantities of benzaldehyde, a chemical used in beekeeping to control the bees so that their honey can be harvested safely. I don't know if BHOP knew this and it's intentional, but either way it's an interesting set of tastes to have associated with Shu.
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>>3896267

>> {Gina, this is super weird andI'msosorrybutIwannaknow}
>>…Oh god, you’re going to regret this. Let her have another taste, and ask your question. If she’s been awake as long as Rosa thinks, then this might be a useful opportunity (Write-In).
>> "Okay, another taste then, but on my terms." Slice open someplace not super intimate to allow us to blood drip onto her tongue. "Now, can you tell me what you think will help our family the most?"
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>>3896293
whoa, yeah no i think thats a bit too much. she seems way more than ok just getting a skin lick, and i dont think im for Shu doing any self mutilation, flesh hell or not.
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>>3896267
I do wonder how being a Crystalline Daughter works, and how she came to be one assuming she didn't emerge as one like how Dorian naturally emerged as a Liquid Daughter.
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(I appreciate it when my references are noticed. Great catch, Anon.)
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>>3896267
>Ask Sugar this: "What other flavors do I taste like? You mentioned I tasted more than just fruits, nuts, and sunlight."
>"Now, can you tell me what you think will help our family the most?"
>"...know anything about 'the Mother of All?' or should i say, tasted anything about that?"

>{Gina forgive me. Sugar's a kooky woman who seems to tell fortunes from licking people like lollipops. I'm about to go deeper into the rabbit hole. Shock me out if I go into a sensory overload or an extreme form of Sugar rush.}
>Ask to taste Sugar. Just a small lick of her index finger.
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>>3896328
well i really dont want to try and taste her either, we can indulge her a little bit without going kooky ourselves. plus Gina seems jealous enough from how she reacted earlier just to Rosa, our debt to her already seems higher than we know. no need to increase that, this is supposed to be a RESTFUL day, afterall.
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>>3896267
Amending my vote >>3896328 to just

>Ask Sugar this: "What other flavors do I taste like? You mentioned I tasted more than just fruits, nuts, and sunlight."
>"Now, can you tell me what you think will help our family the most?"
>"...know anything about 'the Mother of All?' or should i say, tasted anything about that?"

>>3896331
Good point.
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>>3896291
so Shu tastes like Beekeeping and Rath tastes like... Rath. or maybe spicy summer?

100% Julia has tea to her taste(bet Dorian already could've told us that though), but so far we have only seen Sugar say concepts(mostly seasons) or actual foods, so i cant think of what food fits sculpting except those fruit snacks you can build a car out of. bet she tastes like a calm fall shower too though.

Dorian is probably red Wine(Julia too, probably could tell us that), though that oens pretty obvious, given he is made out of liquid blood and a wine fanatic. wonder if Dorian sees Sugar and wonders if he, himself, cannot BECOME the Wine, like she does sugar. otherwise id think he had some bourbon in him, the gentlemans drink, and some toaster strudel frosting, to keep with the painter theme.

November tastes like iron and fire.

Amara tastes like being off limits you stop that now Sugar.

Francine probably tastes like a Dreary Winter night, and that one fruit that makes everything change flavors.

i regret nothing, except everything, about this post. thank you.
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>>3896328
I vote for this.
>>3896267
>> {Gina, this is super weird andI'msosorrybutIwannaknow}
>>…Oh god, you’re going to regret this. Let her have another taste, and ask your question. If she’s been awake as long as Rosa thinks, then this might be a useful opportunity (Write-In).
>> "Okay, another taste then, but on my terms." Slice open someplace not super intimate to allow us to blood drip onto her tongue. "Now, can you tell me what you think will help our family the most?"

But I think an interesting idea, if it wont hurt us, is to make a swarmling(sweetling?) and let her eat the entire thing, if it wont hurt us. She may like it more than just getting a lick.
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>>3896378
she already said she doesn't like constructs.

>>3896267
>>3896276
adding in
>we DO NOT want to taste her or cut ourselves open to feed her our blood.
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>>3896384
Ah shit. I forgot. I am in favor of letting her have another taste, regardless.
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>>3896384

The reason for blood is specifically to keep it on our terms. We can do a drop or two of blood without being licked. I don't like the lick or the blood, but personal taste is that blood is the less squicky version of this. I can definitely see why others would have a different opinion on that though.
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>>3896390
we already let her lick our skin, that lines been crossed. its also much much less of a line to cross, so long as we control where she licks, then cutting ourselves open and wounding ourselves to give our innards away.
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>>3896396

If we are going to do the blood lick, try pic related.
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>>3896399
that only makes it fucking worse.
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>>3896386
>>3896390
>>3896399
plus, i dont think Gina will be any happier with us feeding her our blood over licking her. lets not add to the 'jealous girlfriend' issues more than we already probably have.
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>>3896406
you make another great point.
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>>3896411
plus, i mean, Gina has shown signs of being a dominatrix, so lets not throw Shu to the wolves here, as it was...
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>>3896399
>>3896406

Yeah. The blood option was me literally trying NOT to do this, while also desexualizing it. It seems I have failed.
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>>3896424
>desexualizing blood licking with a girl all about tastes
alot could be said here about alot of issues here, but the easiest one is, vampires ruined that attempt a long ass time ago.
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>>3896427
I think it's just inherently difficult to desexualize having another person intake your bodily fluids in order to receive pleasant sensation from it.
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>>3896427
>Vampires and twilight.

what happened to the gothic horror that Bram Stoker brought upon us?

Horror, whitewashed into erotica.
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>>3896417
I actually think the blood option is less lewd than the licking finger option. It can be easy, and besides, Gina is mind linked with us and can know we are not doing something sexual. Maybe we can have Rosa open a wound, do it in front of gina as an extra sign we trust her, and maybe just have sugar or rosa cup their hands under the wound, or use a container, anything to make it as un-sexual as possible.
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>>3896431
Vampires were seen as erotic well before Twilight, anon. The sexual nature of vampires was a pretty big part of Bram Stoker's Dracula, actually. He was a representation of English fears of the rapacious foreigner. That's why he preyed on women and had a harem of vampire brides.
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>>3896428
well, yes, that too. like i said, alot could be said there. the situation was... never going to not be a little iffy, to say the least. hence my own opinion that just letting her lick a controlled part of the body is the easiest way to limit it. plus, no self mutilation.

>>3896431
well, its far from JUST twilight, but yes that is probably the most famous example.
>whitewashed
oh come on now, thats just racist. hardly only them to do that. just look at korea and japan, for two examples.
and while im sure neither of us would wish to delve in that direction, im sure if you look at vampire erotica you can find authors of every background with vampire works older than twilight.

>>3896434
well, i disagree, fluids are much more erotic than just letting her lick our palm or something. and any option where we do not wound ourselves is 100% better then one we do.
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>>3896439
>oh come on now, thats just racist. hardly only them to do that. just look at korea and japan, for two examples.
I don't think they meant in terms of race. Probably meant the use of "whitewashing" to mean "removing the darker and more villainous/monstrous aspects to a character".
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honestly at this point id prefer us to just change our minds and just not ask her further questions at all, than continue this conversation, as the topic and choice will now clearly leave someone uncomfortable and getting the wrong impression, which makes me think doing this choice at all in either way is a massive mistake.

>>3896267
>>3896276
>>3896384
changing my vote to just;
>Ask her if talking about eachother teammates can be free.
>If so, go first, if not, offer to refill her drink but turn her down.

im doing this as honestly at this point, i think EITHER options starting to cross a line i dont want the Quest to cross. would prefer none and neither of these things to happen now.
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>>3896446
thats not what the term means though.
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>>3896453
It has multiple meanings, language is ever-shifting. The phrase has been used in the context of race more often in the modern time, but using it to say that something's flaws and darker nature has been erased is still fairly common.
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>>3896462
i have never once heard it used in that way, but fair enough. feels like the more modern and common use is the one that matters more though, shifting language or not.
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>>3896449

I am going to continue with my option, and trust in the BHOP to keep it PG, especially since the majority are aiming for that.
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>>3896453
sorry it was the closest analogy I could think of.
It's like bleaching a pair of dirty underwear.

>>3896462
that's the sort of meaning I've been trying to go for but I couldn't think of a proper term at the time.

>>3896334
>>3896267
>Amending my vote to basically ask the same questions but try to get away with as few lickings from Sugar if you can.
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>>3896467
i think you are missing the point and issue, which is despite us and BHOP already trying to do that, it clearly did not work. our entire disagreement is over the other viewing what the other wants as more lewd.
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I'll keep the vote the same. However Sugar tastes us, I need to know Shu's Secret Fuzzy Patty Formula.
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>>3896472
>>3896467
we wouldn't even be having this discussion if BHOP had not failed even just minorly, to at least accidentally make us feel the PG line was starting to be crossed.
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>>3896478
I hope it doesn't come the the point where we have to physically restrain Sugar from putting her tongue to Amara.
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>>3896267
>>…Oh god, you’re going to regret this. Let her have another taste, and ask your question. If she’s been awake as long as Rosa thinks, then this might be a useful opportunity (Write-In).
>>Write-In
>"Alright, just keep it below the elbow, Sugar. I'm a taken woman."
>"So, have you tasted anything about the 'Mother of All'?"
>If she doesn't know anything about the Mother of All: "Alright, then, you know anything about a girl that goes by 'A'? Polish girl, speaks in doggo memes, sleeps a lot, this ringing any bells?"
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>>3896486
>tactical throwing of Sugar into the Fuzzbuzz ballpit.
i do hope not though.

>>3896487
please do not continue this.
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>>3896486

That is how Sugar ends up pinned in the ball pit via tactical Dainsleif.
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(Writing now, Gentlemen.)
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“Could I ask a little more about your friends, without paying a price?” You posit, seeing Sugar’s shoulders fall a fraction until you continue. “I have a bigger question I want to ask after that, though…and it’s one I know I’ll have to pay for.”

“Aftertaste is worth it, so…yes. The price has been paid for my friends.” She ominously assents, only slightly disappointed at having to wait. Sugar doesn’t even look back at her allies as she continues to speak, her bright, color-marbled eyes swirling with an almost nauseating rainbow of shades as she locks with your gaze.

“Rosa, Sia, Betty…I keep them safe.” She begins, unblinkingly. “Rosa is trying to make the best of the worst. She hurts constantly, her own blood a burden. Sia is fractured, questioning her very existence. Trying to stay herself despite the urge to lose herself in a sea of selves. Betty is…too pure for this world. Any world. She is a child, a youthful soul bound to stay that way.”

“I’ve done things I regret. It just means I’m as human as anyone, but I don’t like what I’ve done, all the same.” She continues, glancing down at her hands as ruined nails claw across her bony knees. “If I can help them stay happy, innocent…no price is too steep. I’ve done enough to hurt. Even if it’s a small thing, I want to start helping…what is it?”

You blink, realizing that your eyes had widened involuntarily at Sugar’s unexpected answer, and it’s with a glance at Gina that you proceed to offer your arm to the girl before you.

"...Do you know anything about 'the Mother of All?' Or should i say, tasted anything about that?" You ask, chuckling weakly just before a flicker of recognition flashes through Sugar’s jawbreaker eyes. "Keep it civil Sugar; I’m a taken woman. Remember that."

“Taken…?” She mutters, turning in place as she follows your gaze to see Gina and Sia still enraptured in technical conversation. “…oh. Oh yeah, I forgot that’s canon. Kind of hard to keep track, with everything that’s floating out there.”

Sugar turns back to you, hesitating a moment before reaching out and taking your offered hand in hers. She considers it passively before giving it a light squeeze, setting it back down gently on your lap.

You blink.

“Wait…Sugar, I thought you…?”

“I heard ‘Mother of All’ well before I met the others.” Sugar softly interrupts, staring just over your head as she recalls a dim and dusty memory. “I thought it’d be a good idea to go against the grain and descend into the earth as opposed to trying to climb the Cord. I found…I tasted something from a time long past, and I heard of both ‘Mother’ and ‘Mother of All’. When I imbibed from it more deeply, then the contrast of the titles became clearer.”

“Contrast?” You echo, and Sugar just nods sagely.

“Mother is a placeholder, a title bestowed not to the winner of the crucible…but to the loser.”

(Continued)
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>>3896656

“The Daughter who climbs the Cord and sits upon the throne is punished for their failure to think outside the box by continuing the cycle anew, doomed to watch and taste the bitterness of their own inadequacies.” She continues, her dulcet voice very as-a-matter-of-fact. “If the current Mother’s aware that they went about the Crucible the wrong way, they’re apparently not allowed to tell the current participants about the process of winning, if they even know how. ‘Mother of All’, on the other hand, is apparently the title given to the winner…whatever ‘winning’ the Crucible truly constitutes.”

Sugar then just shrugs her narrow shoulders.

“That’s all I know.” She sighs. “The ‘hows’ and ‘whys’ of winning the crucible…*actually* winning it, is a taste that eluded me. Also, I don’t even know what happens if the title of ‘Mother of All’ finds a worthy head to rest on…but it stands to reason that if ‘Mother’ starts the game over…”

“…Then the ‘Mother of All’ may stop it.” Gina finishes.

You and Sugar both turn to see that all waking eyes in the room are on both of you, now. Gina’s hazel eyes are alight with curiosity as she rounds on the pale girl with the intensity of a mountain lion, immediately assailing her with questions as Sia scoots around the table to sit next to you.

“Hope Sucrose hasn’t been too much to handle.” She says with an audible grimace, though when you smile and shake your head she seems genuinely surprised. “Oh…well, sweet…no pun intended. Anyway, as fun as this is I don’t wanna overstay our welcome, so if you want us to scoot out of here and let you all get some actual rest, then I can round up the troops and march out, no hard feelings.”

You have to admit that Sia’s offer is tempting, as Yurei’s crystallized remains weigh heavy in your pocket. Then again, your conversation with Sugar proved surprisingly illuminating in more ways than one, and you’d hate to shoo out your guests too early…but you’d also hate to keep your family waiting on their next meal, especially after such a hard-won victory.

To eat, or not to eat…that is the question.

>>Take Sia up on her offer, then round up your family…you have a feast to devour. [INITIATE LEVEL-UP VOTE, BARBERS LEAVE]

>>You have a counter-offer; gather your family to quickly eat while the Barbers wait, then continue the party once you’ve eaten your fill. The Barbers have already had their fill, after all. [INITIATE LEVEL-UP VOTE, BARBERS STAY]

>>Politely decline Sia’s offer and continue to spend time with the Barbers. There’s still more you’d like to know, so your feast can wait. [PUT OFF LEVEL-UP VOTE UNTIL LATER, BARBERS STAY]

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours. Thank you for your patience, and I hope that your day is going well.)
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>>3896659
>Politely decline Sia’s offer and continue to spend time with the Barbers. There’s still more you’d like to know, so your feast can wait. [PUT OFF LEVEL-UP VOTE UNTIL LATER, BARBERS STAY]
feels way too early and fast to give them the boot. haven't even had Betty actually interacted with anyone, and only REALLY talked to Sugar, of all people. would like to talk and get to know the Barbers more. i can understand if people want to do the Level-Up vote however, but IC it doesn't feel like it makes sense to do that in the middle of the party, when there no rush or reason not to wait til after. still though, i at least dont want to kick them out just yet.
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>>3896659
>You have a counter-offer; gather your family to quickly eat while the Barbers wait, then continue the party once you’ve eaten your fill. The Barbers have already had their fill, after all. [INITIATE LEVEL-UP VOTE, BARBERS STAY]

>>3896665
>“The Daughter who climbs the Cord and sits upon the throne is punished for their failure to think outside the box by continuing the cycle anew, doomed to watch and taste the bitterness of their own inadequacies.” She continues, her dulcet voice very as-a-matter-of-fact. “If the current Mother’s aware that they went about the Crucible the wrong way, they’re apparently not allowed to tell the current participants about the process of winning, if they even know how. ‘Mother of All’, on the other hand, is apparently the title given to the winner…whatever ‘winning’ the Crucible truly constitutes.”

Well then, this changes our entire objective with the Cord. And it also explains Ozma's continuous sense of despair after she found out about the meaning of "Mother of All"

Doesn't it feel like Mother of All is a thing where familial bonds and love is what makes the winner worthy of the title? Because the whole Cord climb feels like a honey trap that attracts the selfish and strong with the promise of godhood atop heaven's throne being the ultimate liar's cake.
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>>3896659
>“The Daughter who climbs the Cord and sits upon the throne is punished for their failure to think outside the box by continuing the cycle anew, doomed to watch and taste the bitterness of their own inadequacies.” She continues, her dulcet voice very as-a-matter-of-fact. “If the current Mother’s aware that they went about the Crucible the wrong way, they’re apparently not allowed to tell the current participants about the process of winning, if they even know how. ‘Mother of All’, on the other hand, is apparently the title given to the winner…whatever ‘winning’ the Crucible truly constitutes.”
Oh, hey, I recall hypothesizing that this was the case. It was way back when, before we had as much information as we did now, so it was just an idle theory instead of a real guess as the Crucible's nature. But still, nice to have a theory confirmed. Oh, that's good stuff, then. Yeah, I can see why that would break Ozmas. "I was playing this wrong the entire time, and it's too late for me to undo everything and start on the correct path."
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>>3896675
i mean, maybe? theres alot of things it could mean. certainly does point to a less selfish objective. i dont think it changes our objective though. we're already denying the point of the cord and thinking outside the box on how to deal with it, unless it literally means 'cord'='box' but that feels waaay too literal. i think we're already on the right path, but would need more info on it to truly know. but, i have a feeling the point is NOT to know, until its too late. you either were the 'mother of all, or 'mother'. you wont know until its too late to change it. and it makes sense too, as it really seems like something your not supposed to game, which someone could and would do if you could learn the 'how' to be the 'mother of all' ahead of time.

plus, something something part of the entire point is to not have the cord tell you what to do.
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>>3896677
>>3896665
>"Mother of All"
This feels like a giant metaphor of the term "Mother Earth", this whole Crucible being one trial where the planet scours its denizens to see who is worthy to care for the planet. like the Matriarchical version of God. All loving, All powerful and what not.

>The fact that this Crucible strain has ended with multiple "Mothers" and not a single "Mother of All"
Wow. I'm left wondering what happens to the Crucible Virus when a "Mother of All" is found in its iteration. Does it fully mature? Because it seems like everytime a crucible ends with a "Mother" restarting the cycle, the Cord Parasite simply goes back into its dormancy and searches for another planet as if it's immature and the planet it was draining did not gather the proper nutrients or have the correct catalyst that would allow it to fully mature.

>A third way of "winning" the game
So if the wrong way is climbing the Biological "Tower of Babel", then shouldn't we be going the route of Dante's Inferno?
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>>3896659
>>You have a counter-offer; gather your family to quickly eat while the Barbers wait, then continue the party once you’ve eaten your fill. The Barbers have already had their fill, after all. [INITIATE LEVEL-UP VOTE, BARBERS STAY]
I will go and have another round of shut eyein a couple minutes, until the next post so i wont be completely drained tomorrow at work
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>>3896659

>Politely decline Sia’s offer and continue to spend time with the Barbers. There’s still more you’d like to know, so your feast can wait. [PUT OFF LEVEL-UP VOTE UNTIL LATER, BARBERS STAY]

Honestly, this changes nothing. We are going to go together. We are going to stand together. Whatever happens, we're all in this together, whatever we see in the Cord, or beneath it.

>>Exhale at the revelation and look to Sugar. "Thank you, for your revelation, and for your understanding of us." Take and squeeze Gina's hand. "If you'd like, I can make you another wonderfully honeyed drink that's more honey than anything else? It's the least I could do."
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>>3896691
I'm not sure if we should be descending into the earth as a way of ending the Crucible. Gaining more information on it, maybe. But as far as we know, gaining access to the Cord and then rejecting its power in favor of shutting it down is the best solution we have. We'll see, still plenty to learn before we're ready for the endgame.
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>>3896691
>like the Matriarchical version of God. All loving, All powerful and what not.
i hope not and dont think so. thats too close to what some want to turn the 'Mother' position into i think. that, and still doesn't fit with our objective. i mean, fair that technically 'Mother of all' doesn't HAVE to fit our objective, but still. feels too odd for everyone to be calling us it when our objective of just freeing humanity has not at all been hidden, if 'mother of all' was actually still so against what we seek to do.

>So if the wrong way is climbing the Biological "Tower of Babel", then shouldn't we be going the route of Dante's Inferno?
maybe, but again, we need more info. this feels(at the moment) alot more metaphorical than literal. it also feels like thats a... fuck whats the saying? its where, even if we wish to defeat the Cord and stop it, instead of win its game, it makes itself too big a threat to still not seek to defeat it at it. if forces even those who want to defeat it to still defeat IT at it, too much for it feels like for the 'mother of all' to still not need to go to the cord, even if only to stop others trying to climb it.
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>>3896659
>>>Politely decline Sia’s offer and continue to spend time with the Barbers. There’s still more you’d like to know, so your feast can wait. [PUT OFF LEVEL-UP VOTE UNTIL LATER, BARBERS STAY]

>> VOTE: Offer SUGAR a drop of blood mixed and served in a drink.
Allows you to be civil and elminates "improper connotations", and serves as a proper thank you for a piece of information worth it weight in solid sanity (a more valuable currency that gold, those days).
The information of a "Mother of All" alternate win mechanic embedded within the crucible mechanics, and its eventual exploitation, is something FAR more valuable than anything we could have offered them, and she parted with it quite readily, while she did even reject an aftertaste.
Let´s be grateful.

AAand yay for the Mother of All! That looks interesting!
Thanks for writing Sugar, I loved how she managed to be "the woman that knew too much" out of the left field. Even if some people seemed sliiiightly unconfortable, I think this is actually a success into exploring her "uncanny valley factor". I particularly like how people was expecting somebody childish, and you have someone who looks actually much, much older and alien than any of those present in the room, while retaining some human/youthful features.
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>>3896723
dude she already rejected that offer, i dont think she wants that from us even as a thank you. i think her whole point of rejecting it was she doesn't want us to do that, both for our relationship with Gina and she herself realized she was acting out of bounds with all of that.

let it lie, theres other ways to thank or repay her than something she probably doesn't even want anymore.
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>>3896723
>>3896729
this guys >>3896706
idea is much more reasonable.
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>>3896723
Yeah, I get the sense that Sugar is actually a pretty deep person, just one that's occasionally overwhelmed by her instincts. Seems like kind of a trend with Gluttonous cores. Her, Mulvath, Holly (though going Hunger-mad was more the issue there) and even Johanna in a sense. But at the same time, our Gluttonous friends have also turned out to be very sensible and lovely people when they're lucid. It's neat, makes for some fun contrasts. Kind of embodies how hunger is one of the more demanding sensations a person can experience.

>>3896729
I suggest a FuzzBuzz. Everyone gets a commemorative fluffy bee.
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>>3896735
i think the plan is to give FuzzBuzzes as going away gifts. or well, thats my plan.
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>>3896742
Some themed bees perhaps?

Rosa could have a Succ-ling themed Fuzzbuzz

Sia could have a Jack-ling themed fuzz buzz

Betty...would have a stretchy Fuzz Buzz

And Sugar would have a Fuzz Buzz that is constantly dripping with honey on its fur.
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>>3896754
>And Sugar would have a Fuzz Buzz that is constantly dripping with honey on its fur.
Eww, no, no StickyBuzz. That's unsanitary, would make such an awful mess. And Sugar wouldn't even be able to lick it clean, since she said constructs don't taste right to her.
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>>3896754
Or perhaps a Nomling Fuzz Buzz for Sugar.
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>>3896754
i am unsure thats necessary. plus, i mean, im not agaisnt it, but id prefer them to be more personal than skin level ability.

like, we plan to autograph Rosas. thats plenty to make it special. others can get something more akin to their likes. though, you're probably right about Sugars, besides the fact i dont think we can make it infinite, and she doesnt like stuff from constructs really, so we may have to go a different route.

id like to actually get to know Sia and Betty more, to give them something actually personal, if we are going to do this, then just bland 'oh shes a neuromancer!' and 'oh she stretches!' we have time though, to think of things, if we really want to make the Barbers the first we go all out on and make other allies jealous, aswell as kick up what people expect from us an unnecessary notch.
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>>3896765
>>3896764
>>3896762
good points. Simple fuzz buzz it is.
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>>3896765
We should talk more with Sia at some point. She seems pretty cool. And she probably can give insight on what to do about our Gemma.
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>>3896770
yeah.
speaking of, as much as it might be an issue... i dont want to give Gemma to Sia. for Sia's sake. especially after what Sugar said. Sia has enough issues, lets not throw that one and her fight against the split mind on it. if Gemma is an issue, we'll find a way to deal with her. if anything, i want to encourage and validate Sias individuality and strive for it, not feed the pull she feels towards destroying it.

this is, of course, assuming Julia cant get through to Gemma.
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>>3896774
Agreed. I don't think the two of them merging would be good for either of them right now, regardless of which one winds up dominant in that merger. Gemma because she's got some weird issues about control and trying to sneak her way into getting what she wants that need to be curtailed before she can have positive emotional development. Sia because it seems like she's trying to become her own individual person and is really struggling with it enough. I mean, her Core is weaponized prosopagnosia, that can't indicate a strong relationship with identity.
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>>3896793
>>3896774

>Sia's Neuromantic core being weaponized prosopagnosia

>Gemma's core being a Gluttonous core.
I think Gemma might end up emerging the dominant one since her issue is that she hungers for acceptance so the Crucible gave her a gluttonous core, but now we've motivated her to come back whole which is a complete screw up on my part in retrospect since I was the one that made that write-in that crammed words down her throat..
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>>3896804
i mean, the only issue i can think with that write-in is it did not specifically say or state that consuming her or others as a way forward/out was a bad idea, only implied it via us saying that to her at all.

however, the whole point of that write-in was to get her to think about HERSELF APART from the collective, and instead she misinterpreted that as us saying she could instead use this opportunity to be the 'good' Gemma and the dominate one, aka, this Gemma deciding who Gemma is.

really, it was on Gemma misinterpreting what we were saying, the only potential mistake being we could've had a firmer hand i guess.
i did try to convince everyone to do that, but people didnt want to outright take willing consumption off the table. which seems to have and i still think will lead to problems tying to allow that.
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>>3896814
Now that we're on the subject, that write-in when addressing Gemma is going to be my biggest regret in this quest looking at it hindsight.

So how are we gonna deal with Gemma? It's almost clear that she's going down on the one-track mind that she mis-interpreted when we gave her our answer at the monastery. Not only that, she's already absorbed some of her shards offscreen which might've convinced her to keep going prior to Uzu hitting her deathspiral.
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>>3896821
well, alot of it depends on how she reacts to Julia. obviously, give Julia her chance and see how that turns out.

Julias opinion will matter here alot too. its her mind, her choice. but honestly? if it comes down to US, Shu making the choice, and Gemma has been... less than willing to listen? having a tracking node calling out to her other selves, hell actively trying to specifically draw in the aggressive ones? we simply cannot have that.

either delete her or use the Forge to buld her an automated Spiritus to shove her into and out the door. she wants to play with the other Gemmas? she can go damn play with the other Gemmas. wonder if Gina can delete her knowledge of where out home base is from her mind, but its worth the risk to get rid of something basically revealing it anyways.
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>>3896821
>>3896831
hell what angers me is, i was even willing to compromise on my dislike of willing consumption a bit for her, and at least do it on a case-by-case basis, if only due in part to her and theirs unique situation. but nope, apparently that was not good enough. shes a lesson to learn from there i guess.
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(A quick reminder for anyone that hasn't voted to go ahead and do so now, as however the next update turns out it will likely be the last for the evening due to some unexpected obligations that have come up.)

(Also, Gentlemen; if the vote to hold off on the CONSUME option wins out, then would you like for me to post Yurei's options and let you know how many level-up points you have available, so that way you can strategize in advance of the vote opening tomorrow evening? If not then I understand, I simply with to make the most convenient and streamlined experience I can on my end. Let me know, and I hope your evening is going well.)
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>>3896723
(Thank you for your kind words regarding Sugar. I didn't expect her to be as fun to write as she turned out being, and the same can be said for all the Barbers, really.)
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>>3896849
hope those obligations are not too droll or troublesome BHOP!

i guess if everyone was willing to hold off flooding the thread with their arguments for the level up options, and instead focus on, well, whats actually going on in the quest, then sure i suppose. would mean once we do get to it, everyone's thought it out and possibly pre-consolidated their talking points, so maybe it would go smoother once we start.

but my worry is some will not do that. so dunno.
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>>3896849
Oh, sorry, I forgot to. Was going to, then got distracted making dinner.

>>3896659
>>Politely decline Sia’s offer and continue to spend time with the Barbers. There’s still more you’d like to know, so your feast can wait. [PUT OFF LEVEL-UP VOTE UNTIL LATER, BARBERS STAY]
>"Oh, don't feel like you're imposing, I've enjoyed talking with you girls. Besides, I want to give Julia and Dorian some more time to nap, anyway. They're so cute together like that, I'm not going to interrupt them."

As for level-up, sure, I'd like to know how many points we're going to get. Don't think we need to know Yurei's options yet, that might get us distracted actually making plans, but knowing what to anticipate for when we do could be useful.
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>>3896659
>>Politely decline Sia’s offer and continue to spend time with the Barbers. There’s still more you’d like to know, so your feast can wait. [PUT OFF LEVEL-UP VOTE UNTIL LATER, BARBERS STAY]

It feels like they only just got here, no need for them to leave while the party's still going on. It'd be nice to talk to the others, like Betty and Rosa, see what kind of people they are.

>>3896849
That would be really appreciated BHOP, I'd love to see what the options are in advance of the vote.
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>>3896857
>>3896849
If people can keep their cards close to their chest and keep their opinion to themselves until voting time, then I would be fine with the lvl up options and the amount of level up points available for distribution.

As long as I make in time for the beginning of the voting session. Tomorrow's work has me coming back home to my computer at 9 pm, and I would like to arbitrate again.

>>3896675
>You have a counter-offer; gather your family to quickly eat while the Barbers wait, then continue the party once you’ve eaten your fill. The Barbers have already had their fill, after all. [INITIATE LEVEL-UP VOTE, BARBERS STAY]
Adding this:
>"No no, there's no need for you to rush Sia. I've enjoyed talking with you girls. Besides, Betty seems lonely in the ball pit, Amara would have another friend to play with, and the Julian pairing can have more romantic time together."
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>>3896870
well, lets be honest, with how voting goes, you'll probably still be here for most of it, even if a bit late. worse case, i can pick that part up like i used to do.
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>>3896849
>>3896857
im gonna go ahead and vote 'No' though on getting that info BHOP. we get more than plenty of time, and have been more than civil in GIVING eachother time, to look over and prepare our choices, when we get it, and i simply would much prefer to just focus on the quest as it is going on, then have something like that digging at the back of my mind the entire time.
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>>3896849
>>3896870
Actually I changed my mind and vote "No" on this part. Don't give us the information.
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(Writing now, Gentlemen.)
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"Oh, don't feel like you're imposing, I've enjoyed talking with you girls." You reply honestly, glancing over to where to artisans are sleeping peacefully beside one another. "Besides, I want to give Julia and Dorian some more time to nap, anyway. They're so cute together like that, I'm not going to interrupt them."

Sia chuckles, the sound a little unnerving when you can't fathom the facial cues that would accompany it. Reaching over to tap Sugar on the shoulder, you interrupt Gina's line of interrogation with words of appreciation in their stead.

"Thanks for your revelation, and for your understanding of us." You say, standing as you take Sugar's empty glass in hand. "If you'd like, I can make you another wonderfully honeyed drink that's more honey than anything else? It's the least I could do."

The pale girl's eyes widen as she licks her lips, and you need no further answer before you sweep up Gina's empty wine glass as well, shuffling past Rath and Rosa's resumed conversation on the way to the some refills. Two artfully crafted Bee's Knees later (if you do say so yourself), you're pouring GG a fresh glass of wine when you hear a low, angry voice suddenly raise then lower in the Forgeroom. Tilting the bottle back, you watch as November emerges with what could almost be described as a forlorn look about her, the Etain's shoulders slumped in a despondent fashion. November glances about the room for a moment before meeting your eyes, and she gives you a small, sharp nod before she proceeds to Rath's room and closes the door behind her. For a long moment there's silence from the Forge, but then it steadily resumes, Francine's unseen efforts continuing on despite the results of whatever discussion you were the sole witness to.

You glance back to the door of Rath's room and catch sight of the FuzzBuzz pit, Betty still lounging contentedly about in its luxurious depths. She gives you a little wave, the languid undulation of her boneless arm resembling the flailing of an inflatable tube man outside a used car dealership, and you wave back before scooping up the drinks and pausing to consider what to do next.

You have to admit some level of concern over what just happened to bring Francine and November to have words, but you've firmly entrenched yourself in party-hostess mode, so peeling off to address either of them would certainly put a damper on things. You don't want any possible bad blood there, but...then again, they are the oldest members of your family, so you're sure you can trust them to sort things out.

...Hopefully.

>>Whatever discussion they had, it's probably best to leave them both alone until they cool off a bit. Take the trio of drinks and go converse with [Sugar/Sia/Rosa].

>>Considering Amara's not out of her room yet, go drop off Gina and Sugar's drinks and then see how Betty's enjoying the FuzzBuzz pit.

>>Take a second to peek in on [Francine/November] and see what's going on.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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>>3896997
Yeah, we need to have a talk with Francine at some point. You just couldn't let us put it off until after we were done with the Barbers, huh? Couldn't give us some time to play hostess. Well, Rath was talking with November before she came over here, maybe she knows what her aunt wanted to talk with Francine about.
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(Gentlemen, I shall be pausing here for the evening. Voting shall remain open for the next twelve hours, with posting to resume in approximately fourteen, five or take. Thank you all for your patience, participation, and enthusiasm. I've taken the level-up options into consideration, and I've decided to do some last-minute tweaking on them to properly emphasize how well you all knocked it out of the park with Yurei, so look forward to that tomorrow evening. I'll try and make myself available for part of this evening to address any questions, comments, and criticisms, and I welcome them all wholeheartedly.)

(I wish you all a restful evening, and sleep well.)
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>>3896997
>>Whatever discussion they had, it's probably best to leave them both alone until they cool off a bit. Take the trio of drinks and go converse with Rosa.

Might as well get to know our biggest fan a little better.
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>>3897004
Good night, BHOP. Thanks for running.
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>>3896997
>Considering Amara's not out of her room yet, go drop off Gina and Sugar's drinks and then see how Betty's enjoying the FuzzBuzz pit.
>invite Sia along too, if she isnt caught up in a conversation.
Rosa and Rath were busy, so let them talk. Gina was talking to Sugar, so let them talk aswell. however id like to get to know Betty, but dont want to leave Sia hanging either.
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>you're pouring GG a fresh glass of wine when you hear a low, angry voice suddenly raise then lower in the Forgeroom. Tilting the bottle back, you watch as November emerges with what could almost be described as a forlorn look about her, the Etain's shoulders slumped in a despondent fashion. November glances about the room for a moment before meeting your eyes, and she gives you a small, sharp nod before she proceeds to Rath's room and closes the door behind her. For a long moment there's silence from the Forge, but then it steadily resumes, Francine's unseen efforts continuing on despite the results of whatever discussion you were the sole witness to.
>>3897005
>>3897001
>>3897009
I'm willing to bet that Rath found out November's T-5 Ability Winterfall Initiative (basically nuclear self-destruct).
Rath's biggest fear is losing her family. And finding out that November's strongest attack is basically a self-sacrificial ability...Rath doesn't take the idea of losing family members very well.

>>3896997
>Take a second to peek in on [Francine/November] and see what's going on.
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>>3897001
i say let them simmer. part of the issue is, i kinda feel like i want to talk to both of them about that, but it also feels like the type of conversation that could easily pull us away and into something lengthy. they're both adults. doesnt mean they dont need our support, but id hope it at least means they can wait for it.

>>3897004
>five or take
damn, even compared to your usual 2+ hours extra sometimes on your estimate, thats a lengthy guess extra.
you have a good evening BHOP, but focus on what you gotta focus on.

mind telling us what emotions we may be feeling from Francine and November though, if you find the time?
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>>3897012
huh? wha? November is upset about something to do with Francine, Rath seemed to have no good or bad emotions from her usual last time she talked to November earlier.
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>>3897012
Nah, Rath didn't seem upset, that's probably not what it is. I don't think November went into that conversation particularly upset, either, just came out of it. Might have to do with Francine's continuing martyr complex, frustration with Francine still being so eager to commit suicide.
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>>3896997
>Tilting the bottle back, you watch as November emerges with what could almost be described as a forlorn look about her, the Etain's shoulders slumped in a despondent fashion. November glances about the room for a moment before meeting your eyes, and she gives you a small, sharp nod before she proceeds to Rath's room and closes the door behind her. For a long moment there's silence from the Forge, but then it steadily resumes, Francine's unseen efforts continuing on despite the results of whatever discussion you were the sole witness to.

Ugh. Just the mental image of that slays me with how much emotion you can get out of a Woman that's been reduced to an Ironman Suit.

>Ask Francine if she would like a drink if she has any favorites. Bring her a drink anyways even though she's super dismissive and focused on her work.
Even hyper focused people need something refreshing to keep them going. Just the offer of breaking away from their work would be a good enough temptation for them to personally indulge and get away from the mania that has consumed them.
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>>3897020
(Oh goodness, that was mean to read *give or take, not five. Sorry about that.)

(Also, you sense a deep sadness from November, while Francone seems deeply frustrated and divided down two lines of thought.)
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>>3897043
What about Rath?
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>>3897043
Yeah, definitely think the conversation was about Francine's suicide plans, then. November sad because she came to care for Francine thanks to their shared medical history, Francine frustrated that our party keeps bringing it up and now doubting her plans.
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>>3897043
>Francone
BHOP. we love ya.
but i think you're showing your need for sleep a bit.

>>3897025
yeah you're probably right, she probably tried to talk Francine down and Francine was having none of it.

>>3897044
>>3897025
...actually, though doubt anyone will go for it... ive got an idea that might work out, if we can pull it off.
Lure Sia in with an excuse to use her to break the ice with the shy Betty. get to talk to Betty, and we get Sia away from the group for some privacy. then, casually work our way to talking about her issues, and both help her work on them and get an understanding of them. from there, though it is a risk, if shes confident enough, Sia might actually be the PERFECT person or at LEAST example to help Francine with her issues over her connection to West. work our way around to being able to better help Francine when we get to her, without having to outright cut away from our guests either.
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>>3897056
That's actually not a bad idea. I wonder if Francine's receptive of meeting with Sia? You good with that?
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>>3897067
im... unsure what you mean by that, so i am unsure? are you asking if im ok with putting Sia and Francine in the same room, because that was just where the plan i laid out lead to. or is my brain malfunctioning because i really dont know what your asking me if im ok with, sorry.
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>>3897072
Oh. Yeah, I was hoping on building off your idea to having Francine come out of her reclusive self by introducing Sia and having some nice conversation with them as an ice breaker.

Also I find this meeting of alter egos amusing on many levels (Shu being Sam Alter-ego now independent, Francine being an independent shard in the West Collective, and Sia being a Shard of the Gemma Collective who wants to be her own identity)
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>>3897078
yeah theres alot of alter egos and shards running around. Crucibles a weird place i guess.

>>3896997
>>3897009
Editing my vote to;
>Considering Amara's not out of her room yet, go drop off Gina and Sugar's drinks and then see how Betty's enjoying the FuzzBuzz pit.
>invite Sia along too, if she isnt caught up in a conversation.
>Try to coax Sia along by both using her as a way to break the ice of her more shy teammate, and not leave her hanging alone from the other conversations.
>"Besides, after the way Rosa and Sugar ran you ragged, let those actually interested in their antics keep giving you a break."
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>>3897078
Yeah, it's kind of a secondary theme for the quest, isn't it? Identity and how independence plays into it, alters and clones and reconstructions all figuring out their own way to relate to the original being that spawned them. Plus, there's the fact that going by some philosophical systems, everyone in the Crucible is a clone thanks to how we've been transferred to new storage formats.
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>>3897056
(Oh Lord, I do need some sleep. Goodnight everyone, and rest well, yourselves.)
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>>3897202
Good night, BHOP. Sleep well and get plenty of rest, you've earned it. See you tomorrow.
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>>3897202
sleep bhop. sleep.
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>>3897202
Night, bhop. Dont work too hard. Don't ignore your health.
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>>3897202
Good night BHOP, looking forward to tomorrow!
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>>3897202
Sleep well

>>3896997
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>>3897004
That would work out for me even better as i dont have to work the day after
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>>3896997
>>Considering Amara's not out of her room yet, go drop off Gina and Sugar's drinks and then see how Betty's enjoying the FuzzBuzz pit.
>>Write In
>Invite Sia along too, if she isn't caught up in a conversation.
>Try to coax Sia along by both using her as a way to break the ice of her more shy teammate, and not leave her hanging alone from the other conversations.
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>>3896997

Deciding to leave both Francine and November to cool off after a long moment’s consideration, you drop off Sugar’s honey-laden Bees’ Knees and Gina’s glass of Pinot Noir before gently tapping Sia on the shoulder.

“Hey, I was thinking about talking to Betty, if you think she’d be open to it.” You say, leaning on close for your follow-up with a glance to Rath and Rosa’s continued conversation. "Besides, after the way you’ve been run ragged, I think you deserve a break."

“Ha, sure. “Sia chuckles, patting the pockets of her baggy jeans, retrieving a pair of headphones from their surprising depths and only noticing your cocked eyebrow when she starts to stand. “Oh, they’re Betty’s. Forgot to give them to her when we started on over here, so just in case she wants ‘em. Glad you asked me before heading over, actually.”

Sia motions for you to follow her as you both make your way across the cavernous living room and to the edge of the FuzzBuzz pit, Betty having remained in a stock-still state of bliss ever since she first dove in. The inscrutable Neuromancer kneels down very gently reaching out and tapping the lanky girl once on the shoulder, her ally’s dark eyes fluttering open and flicking between you both in rapid succession as she regains her bearings.

“Hey. You up for talking? No pressure, just didn’t want you to feel left out.” Sia offers, her tone much softer than the one she employs even casually around her other two allies. Betty glances once more between you two, and a guilty look crosses her face before Sia speaks reassuringly; “No worries. You were great back there, so don’t feel bad about relaxing. Brought your headphones, if you wanted to conk out for a bit. Just reach out if you need anything, ‘kay?”

The other girl’s noodle-like arm takes the offered headphones wordlessly, slipping them on her head as she snuggles back down among the tub of black, white, and yellow. Regarding her companion for a moment longer, Sia plucks a single FuzzBuzz from the pile before rising again and gesturing to the bar. You take the lead this time, slipping behind the bar while Sia takes a seat, absent-mindedly petting the bee’s fuzzy down as you send out a swarmling to retrieve your drink.

“Your girlfriend’s cool.” She comments as you slide a spiked cup of tea across the counter, leaning over the marbled top as your swarmling returns with your cup clutched in its talons. “Good head on her shoulders, great mind for powers. We talked a bit about personality types and powers and stuff, and a lot of what she’s come up with fits pretty well.”

“Glad to hear you had a good conversation.” You reply, taking a sip of your drink after your swarmling squirms back underneath one of the plates on your back. “I thought it was a pretty interesting theory, too. How does it line up with you and your friends, if you don’t mind my asking?”

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>>3897826

“Eh…Sugar’s corruption is pretty far gone, probably diabetes or something. Girl’s more candy than human, now.” Sia begins, clutching her cup in both hands. “Rosa’s a talker, so in the first two hours of meeting her she said she had sickle-cell anemia before the Crucible. Makes sense, with what she can do to people.”

“And Betty?” You prompt, and Sia hesitates a moment before answering.

“…She doesn’t talk much, either.” She replies quietly, and from the tilt of her head you can tell she’s just staring into her cup, her other hand petting the FuzzBuzz. “Pretty sure she’s…on the spectrum, maybe? She gets overwhelmed a lot, but she’s saved us more times than I can count. Fighting takes a lot out of her. When Rosa and Sugar realized it they started being a little more proactive about keeping her back from the frontlines, so Betty started opening up to me when they’d go hunting. She’s not…out of any of us, she doesn’t deserve this Fleshscape bullsh…”

Her hands tremble before she catches up to her runaway temper, the display of sudden emotion seeming to catch you both off guard.

“…my powers are pretty obvious in retrospect, I guess.” Sia continues, draining her cup and sliding it off to the side. “Kinda hard to get a grip on who you are when you’re part of Legion. But hey, I’m not as bad off as the others…they’re dealing with the real shit.”

“I’m sure they’re fighting their own battles…” You admit, hoping your holding her gaze as her face swirls before you. “…but given what I know about them, I can tell they wouldn’t like hearing you downplay yours, either.”

“Heh, maybe.” Sia replies with a mirthless chuckle. “They’re good people, all told. Rosa’s a goof, Betty’s a sweetheart, and Sugar…some of what she lets slip sometimes makes me think she was a hardcore bitch before she met us. Before we made her all soft.”

“Glad you did. I’m not a fan of hard candy.” You fire back, and Sia just snorts at your awful joke, even though you can practically feel the smile that creeps across her unseen lips. You can feel her unwinding across the bar from you, the tension leaving her shoulders as she finally allows herself to relax in your presence. Meanwhile, the sound of Francine’s ceaseless work can still be heard from a few meters away, and from where you stand you can see Gina, Rath, Rosa, and Sugar all engaged in pleasant conversation, the sound of laughter filtering across the space to your ears.

Turning back to Sia, there was something you wanted to bring up to her, actually…

>>Your own issues with Sam. It’s a point of commonality you, Sia, and Francine all share, and getting Sia’s perspective might be helpful.

>>Bring up Francine, but leave Sam out of the discussion.

>>The Barber’s end goals, and their perspective on the Fleshscape.

>>The Skinternet, given she’s less likely to go on a tangent.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen.)

>>3897044
(Rath doesn't seem to be aware of November's new ability, and seems to be enjoying her present company more than she expected.)
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>>3897833
>>Your own issues with Sam. It’s a point of commonality you, Sia, and Francine all share, and getting Sia’s perspective might be helpful.
>Use it more to help Sia. you yourself without a doubt separated yourself from being tied to who Sam was, long before she left your body. why too then, would others similar not be able to do the same? even if there were some things she made inescapable.
>"we might not be able to separate ourselves from our 'parents' messes, but we can decide to be our own person from them."
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>>3897833
>>Your own issues with Sam. It’s a point of commonality you, Sia, and Francine all share, and getting Sia’s perspective might be helpful.
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>>3897833
>>Your own issues with Sam. It’s a point of commonality you, Sia, and Francine all share, and getting Sia’s perspective might be helpful
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>>3897833
Supporting>>3897842
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>>3897833

“I dealt with my own double recently, you know?” You begin, turning to look out the window and across the rolling Fleshscape beyond. “There was a girl named Sam who I…well, who used to have this body. She was far from ‘good’, and when her decisions caught up with her she found herself dying right as the Crucible took everything over. Not sure if it was a glitch or some kind of sick joke by Mother, but Sam ended up trapped and powerless in my head, while I somehow became my own thing. Didn’t stop me from having to deal with the fallout from her mistakes, though.”

“B’ni.” Sia interjects quietly, and when you simply nod in agreement she begins to stammer. “S-sorry, that’s…the whole you-B'ni-Sam thing kinda common knowledge, at this point."

“Ha, no it’s fine. Given the Skinternet and whatnot, I'd imagine its unavoidable.” You chuckle, turning to face your guest once more as you find yourself unnerved that your back story's something of an open secret among your growing and unseen fanbase. “I guess what I’m trying to say is that I kind of get what you’re going through, in a way. We might not be able to separate ourselves from our 'parents' messes, but we can decide to be our own person from them…and we’re not the only ones, either. Francine’s in the same boat.”

“Yeah, I was gonna ask about that.” Sia says, glancing around the room. “Seeing a West that isn’t out playing Mengele isn’t something I expected to see.”

“She prefers to go by Francine to distance herself from everything that West’s done…and continues to do.” You say, and Sia’s empathic aura flickers with something akin to respect and pleasant surprise, if you’re not mistaken.

“Oh…good for her. That’s…it’s hard to carve out your own identity when you’ve been a part of a whole your entire life. It takes work and lot of self-reflection, that’s for damn sure.” Sia replies, looking out the window. “Has Wes…has Francine mentioned that the Proxies are starting to get more active?”

“The distance she’s put between her and West is more than just metaphorical, so no.” You say, brow furrowing. “What’s going on?”

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>>3897976

“Not sure, but enough to make people nervous.” She answers, rubbing the FuzzBuzz more out of nerves than absent-minded relaxation. “Word on the Net is some Wests are retreating back to whatever holes they crawled out of, while others seem to be doing sweeps for Amalgams, supplies…even Daughters, so it looks like they’ve dropped whatever villainous pleasantries they put out entirely. Then there’s the fact that a ton of settlements are starting to get restless, too. Not sure if it’s related to the whole West thing, but there’s a ton of theories floating out there about what’s causing it. A lot of Skintalkers that post and update a lot have either gone radio silent or are biting the bullet and leaving the relative safety of the bigger settlements and striking out to some smaller ones like Laoc, Watchpoint Sandalphon, and others. Common thread seems to be the leaders either starting to slip into something less than rational thought, or just getting downright Draconian even in the chiller groups. Hunger’s claimed a few leaders, and shit just snowballs from there. Nothing as bad as the Monastery, but a lot of people think it’s only a matter of time ‘til something like the Spiraling Fear pops up again.”

She sighs bitterly, finishing her drink in a single swig before giving FuzzBuzz a few tentative squeezes.

“We’re already in hell, but it feels like things are about to get a lot worse.” Sia groans, lost in thought for a second before her head snaps up.

“Shit. Sorry. Didn’t mean to be a downer.” She says, quickly backpedaling with a nervous laugh. “Maybe I just suck at parties…hadn’t considered that ‘til now.”

“Hey, you’re fine. I enjoy your company, for what it’s worth.” You reassure, and she just mumbles something under her breath about you being too nice for your own good before turning her attentions to the Forgeroom.

“You, uh…you think the Doc would be willing to talk?” Sia asks suddenly, and you gesture to the door, a silent answer that she’s more than willing to see for herself. You can tell Sia’s building up the courage to go talk to her, and you can’t help but note the juxtaposition between the focused, mature ‘team mom’ persona that she seems to put on and the girl that sits before you know, just trying to figure out who she is in a world gone mad.

>>Continue talking to Sia, and pose one of the other questions that have been on your mind before she peeks in on Francine (Write-In).

>>Let Sia and Francine have a moment alone while you go talk to [Rosa/Sugar/Amara/Rath/Gina/Other]. You have some questions in mind, and you’d like some one-on-one time.

>>Take a moment to yourself to sit on the couch and just take in the pleasant conversation, and let whatever happens…happen. You’re always the one in control, so you think it might be time to let go for a little while and see what happens.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen.)
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>>3897979
>"Well, for what its worth Sia, me and my family will help where we an, as we head forwards."
>Give her a reassuring raise of your glass, before letting her have her time with your local self-reflective scientist.
>Take this moment while everyone else is distracted to go check up on Amara(and maybe November) before rejoining the party, hopefully with at least one of the two in tow.
>As you pass the ballpit, combine some of the Fuzzballs into a bigger one for Betty to cuddle.
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>>3897979
>Check on Amara and November.

>Ferry a drink to Francine.

Have pic related as a gift.

>>3897991
A lot of things on our plate. And it seems that the world in the background is accelerating too.

On the West side: If the West Iterations have stopped being nice, that means West Prime's condition has deteriorated bad enough and has gotten very desperate in searching for Isabelle's Immutable Core ability (which is what West Prime needs to stabilize).

Settlement Leaders: First the Monastery Falling which is big news to the skinternet, then we hear news of other few leaders falling to the Augmented Hunger with the rest growing irrational or draconian as a move to maintain stability. We've got a growing Refuge cascade crisis happening in the world.

Skinternet growing dark: well shoot. our infrastructure of communication is starting be shuttered.
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>>3898013
yeah. i have a feeling we might need to petition our allies to be a bit more active in the worlds stability, even if just when they happen to be near a place. too many places for us to ever hope to help, but at the same time, the last thing we ourselves also need is a dozen tiny Spiraling Fears dashing for the cord. plus, more we help, more allies we have, more stable we can get things and more places we can help, potentially.

and i mean, we want to help people too of course, but no harm in admitting to the practical reasons to do it too.
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leaving for work. Today's going to be a grinder for sure.
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>>3897979
Supporting>>3897991

>>3897979
This entire thing just stinks like soemthing is speeding up Maybe that shift in the hunger rate increase had even bigger ramifications than we first assumed. Maybe she got to change another thing.....

Or maybe it is just more clear with how we now get a direct line into the Skinterent and we get to see the worldwide ramifications
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>>3898027
(Best of luck today, and I hope it goes better than you expect.)

>>3898029
>>3898013
>>3897991
(Do you wish to bring up the Skinternet to Amara? She's not going to bring it up in this conversation otherwise, which is why I'm asking if you wish to steer the conversation a particular way.)
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>>3898027
take care Anon.

>>3898029
i think its just the increased hungers finally had some time to set in, aswell as we ourselves kicked up the gear a notch, due to what we did with Mother, so both good and bad, other Daughters are and know its time to start acting on your plans. and for those caught in the middle just trying to keep some form of civilization, im sure thats stressful as hell.

that, and Mother just let go of all contracts and prisoners. while we were told of the major ones, it was said other lesser things were still released, and im sure even if they know to avoid us, alot of them are still deadly or just troublemakers making a mess of things too.

and yet we still have quite a ways to go before we are even ready for the Cord, let alone the task of going through it.

>>3898032
yes, but focus on making sure shes fine(we know she is, but still, its good to make sure ourselves too), and seeing how she is first. if shes good and it doesn't feel like theres anything else to really ask her about that, ask her a bit about the Skinternet(seguae perhaps via us being concerned about her connection and involvement in it?), and then see if she wants to join the party.
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>>3898027
Best of Luck Just got of work myself.... It was unpleasent

>>3898032
I think if we dotn bring it up now we probably will have to wait quite a while again... From my siude sure lets talk with our adorable daughter about the Fleshscape version of 4chan and other boards.....

I do wonder is there some sort of Fleshscape youtube?
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>>3898034
pictures can be uploaded, so i cant see why videos cant.
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>>3897979
>> Write-in: Introduce Sia & Francine, but hang in the background and listen. Francine´s health and well.being has concerned us for a long, long time, and this is a way to ease us into having a conversation with her.
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>>3898037
Yeah but i do wonder if there is any kind of organisation for that with automation and recomendation or if you have to dig through the entire thing......

Later we should ask her if she can find us a list of all the patchnotes of the crucible so far.(or as close to one as she can find) to see what has canged and what kin dof synergies there might be in the changes
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>>3897979
I LOVE the fact that West is being eased as 2º biggest villain, with a lot of work into the proxy army, and how they are ominously massing strength for the endgame.

I would love some "Horde Mechanics" for West proxy teams, allowing for rematches against different incarnations of West with a hanger-on posse of weaker proxies, and some kind of "Strategic hard timer". This would allow for the kind of "swingy, deadly" combat like we got in the Hexxane statue fight.

Big, deadly monsters with a ton of HP we can deal with excessive ease, being outnumbered and having tricky parties that explode like popcorn but can cause us damage would be cool. Also, no abusing 11 family members against one big monster.

I feel a good dynamic would be to have a "budget": You can choose to call for reinforcements, but if you do, the wests gobble up unprotected settlements and kill inocents your family is not protecting. Putting a layer of risk/reward assesment would be a cool counter to family pile-in dynamics.

Having different "One-trick" West parties that are based around gimmicky dynamics like "Jojo´s Bizarre adventures style" is one of BHOP´s and early quest strengths, and I would like to get more of it.
It is just much more fun if we get back the "Horror"and "small hunting party" dynamics back and have West play as Tucker´s kobolds.
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>>3898044
i mean, sure we can ask, though i am unsure she would have that info. who knows though.

>>3898057
i am kinda sure id not like to see most of that.
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>>3898065
We have the problem that high-level D&D parties get: Big bad monsters are irrelevant, because we have MUCH superior action economy.

West proxy dynamics allow her to get "Tucker Kobold" dynamics, which is the classic counter: narrative groups acting tactically to counter you and put you on the action Nº backfoot, but relatively low on HP. This gives back initiative to the DM, is mechanically less challenging, and allows him to recycle ideas.

It also allows to explore ideas and mechanics for a well-written antagonist, since you have to grind down her troops a bit until she runs out of proxies. And West is a character that everyone agrees on loving to hate, it is good to have long-running nemeses.

A big monster either splats you or dies pitifully. As a player, an army gives you agency because you have to CHOOSE how much resources you devote to foiling it.
You can also scout it, ambush it and plan for it - something we had rarely the chance to do for most of the big monsters, and something we were unanimously missing from the early quest.
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>>3898074
but thats just simply not true, singular enemies have still been threats to us.

im fine with a 'team vs team' dont get me wrong, but what you're putting forward complicates things way too much compared to what is necessary, and in my opinion, fun, or in some ways makes sense within the world as we know things are set up.

West and her proxies are already enough of a threat and interesting enough, without adding in all that annoying, boring, and unnecessary junk on top of it.
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>>3898065
> "i am kinda sure id not like to see most of that."
In that case, how would you deal with the "Ineffectual splat/die big monster" and "Pitched ally battle crunch"? You had experience with DM-ing, and those have been pointed by BHOP and community as things that sometimes causes the community or DM headaches.

What would be your own formula to deal with that? How did you deal with that in your own games? I am genuinely curious and serious about this.
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>>3898079
Well, I am refering to the "Big monster either instakills a party member, no saves and is not very nice" or "no matter how hard it tried, it did not seem to have a chance to bring us down".

In fact, Big Monsters that used corruption dynamics were interesting. At the beggining of the quest, BIG monsters had much more charm, and people liked the Ashen Vagrant, but as of late, big monsters seems to loose pull amongst the community, if you look at the comments between then and now.

Honestly, wonder about what it is. I think that all this battlefield control makes enemmies going on foot inefectual. Now, a big hidden/flying/ ambush predator doing hit and run tactics, or something that you have to SURVIVE, HIDE or ESCAPE from, instead of more meat to the grinder could work.....
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>>3898081
well, for one, i simply disagree singular monsters have not been a threat to us, so we simply are starting with something where the issue you are asking me to explain is an issue i disagree is one in the first place, and think BHOP has been doing well in. theres not a battle he has put forth i have not enjoyed, only contextual parts about why we are fighting it or certain aspects of things, but the combat itself has been solid throughout. mind you, not every battle has been super memorable or as good as another, but you never WILL have every battle be better than the last, nor, as we have told BHOP do you need it to be or need to constantly try and one up yourself, which THAT was the problem everyone agreed on, that he needed to stop trying to constantly make the next battle or scenario bigger and badder than the last.

ive seen no majority by a long shot say they think the battles have been boring or too easy, the only time ive seen any complaints was for Lepisma, and that was a single fight out of who knows how many so far.

what BHOPS been doing has in my opinion, already suffered more from him trying to be overly grandiose like you want, compared to when he simply tries to give us a fun battle. he needs to do less of what you seem to want, not more, and is what people were agreeing on earlier.
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>>3898086
ive seen neither of the scenarios you have put forth, with the one exception mentioned in my last post of Lepisma.

and i also disagree Daughters and Amalgams have not been interesting as of late.
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>>3898087
Yep, I agree on "not topping himself out every time". But you did not enter the big monster syndrome, which even BHOP himself broached on being a challenging topic for him. How do you deal with this topic when DM-ing?

I agree on no fight being bad, but when asked about preferences last threads, people consistently voted for team encounters as their favorites or early-game big monsters. Even Lepisma is a "big monster" problem, technically speaking - either it id too much, or not enough, depending on which anon you asked. And people tend to not remember the high-level constructs of a big monster/opponent as so memorable as an equivalent daughter in a team.

I honestly wonder why.
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>>3898081
Seeing as that battles in this game get infinitly more complex, the more fuill actors there are on the board, the Constructs that can be used are useful for making a single enemy much more numerical equivalent to our own action economy is acutally a fine way to do it . Fuck Lepisma and Isabelle would have gotten crushed by us had they not had their constructs to pull our own action economy away from them.

Also big monsters do get their time to shine because theytend to have mroe acts anyway so we dont outdo them by a horrible margin...(notable exception being against Yurei..... but that was a special and awesome case).

>>3898086
If you have run into that problem then there is probably someone involved that did not do their homework very well. Leaving a monster alone and completely basic is asking for trouble. That is why i for instance devlop my own monsters to throw at people that have their own way of gettign around action economy either by going multipletimes a round having incredible manouverability/duarability and strength as well as resistances and varied powers. Which is actually quite nice in this open ended system
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>>3898092
im not even sure what you are asking me at this point, as as far as im concerned, i answered the 'big monster question' already. i literally cannot tell what you are asking or want from me at this point, as nothing you are asking sounds like something i have not already answered.

Team fights always beat out ANY monster or singular enemy fight, regardless of size or potency, simply because team Vs team gives you more you have to figure out and pay attention to, so long as its not just minion swarms that act more as an environmental hazard than an actual enemy. its inescapable, that that will be the case, simple at that. still doesn't mean singular enemy fights cant or have not been interesting or done well.
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>>3898092
oh, i misread some of that though.
Constructs feel and act too much like minions, even when higher level, and are much more likely to be easily gimped or taken care of through specific abilities via being constructs, then actual daughters. they also have less personality, by their very nature, aswell as staying power.

thus actual Daughters we face on teams or alone will simply naturally shine more than any construct, regardless of level.
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>>3898101
Technically, if having a heavily "theme-oriented" daughter team, BHOP or any DM could run "big Monster+construct dynamics" to have an easier time doing the number-crunching, adjust a couple of numbers for extra "daughter" thoughness, and focus more on the narrative fun.

I just want to be sure that BHOp does not have to contend with all of our family against a single big target, or big pitched battles all the time, when we are always going for the "WE HAVE REINFORCEMENTS" button.

He has described it as "Fun, but sometimes a bit painful", and when someone as nice as BHOP says that..... I just want to nerf a bit the reinforcement dynamic so as it does not become an auto-spam and bruns BHOP out, but without people complaining about "feature removed by DM fiat". Having a NARRATIVE choice, and this coming with consequences attached, would actually add weight to the decision.

If you cal for all your family, you are REALLY unleashing the dogs of war, and there will be consequences to it.

Thanks for all the answers. I DON¨T want to add layers of mechanical rules, it is rather having NARRATIVE decisions that give incentives not to abuse the most painfully number-crunching options that give the DM a headache, or how to explore cool gameplay concepts without making it painful to DM.
My intent is discussing game design philosophy with friendly pros and understand why some things get to be absolute favourites between the community, not "pushing rudely to insert my own opinions or things into a session" when the context works well already.
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>>3898117
i mean, i wasn't thinking you were, so sorry if i got oddly tonal or something to make it sound like that.
though, in my defense, it seems like people accuse me of that simply for disagreeing with them, but whatever. its certainly not the people on the same side of the argument im making who ever seem to hint im being aggressive, is all ill say.

i also disagree we have abused it. any target we have brought our whole team to bear on, was either BHOP HIMSELF making it an option, or, actually, literally only Yurei since then, a target BHOP himself too made very clear was above our weight class significantly.

i understood you meant narratively aswell and disagree with that too. when it comes to our actual family, we hardly have abused it, and it make absolutely no sense to make us keep them busy acting as bodyguards to settlements. we simply dont have the numbers to make that work at all, nor would i agree its a good idea to force our hand like that, as it would take away from being able to either let our other family members relax or do other things we need done in the background. Shu and Co simply dont have the numbers to resources to force us be hindered that way and even make it WORK, let alone be fun or engaging.

as for our other allies? again, either BHOP has outright given them to us himself, or made it clear its the type of fight we may want them at(again, only Yurei so far), and even then ,he easily made it fair on us and him by making it not guaranteed at all, based on both dice rolls and their actual location in the background. any fight we can probably call upon our growing group of allies, i think will be the same. BHOP will either outright give the option to us, to make it very clear we need to pre-decide to call them in, or call them in once it starts, and any fight he sets up like that, is one he already had planned for that to be a possibility and the work involved in that. it would make no sense to plan such a scenario or fight, then make it literally impossible to actually justify calling them in, when he already has control over if its even an option or making us think its necessary. he also has far from been against further explaining things OOC, and could and probably would easily be ok easing our concerns on that if he felt we were overly panicking.

there simply has been no reason or signs so far of it being actually abused, or something we would, or BHOP could not simply make clear isnt what we need to do or be ok simply telling us we dont need to do, if such a thing is a problem for that situation.
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>>3898096
I agree with you on most counts... I only see a single mechanic disadvantage to the big monster, the rest of the popularity factor is probably due to the fact that BHOP writes daughters very welll, so 1 good monster cannot compete with 4 equally well narrated daughters.

Chief disdvantage is status effects: With our increase in abilities, it has become increasingly easier to pin down, bleed, immobilize and hinder monsters. This is something towards which teams still have an objective advantage against.
How would you balance the status effect thing?
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>>3898133
Ok, it is just that i feel that the "summon reinforcements" needs to have some drawback, even at narrative level, to give it a bit more of gravitas and narrative weight. Also party size is usually at 4 members levels, so it seems to be BHOP preference for a reason....

But glad to see that the reinforcements dynamic is not as taxing on BHOP as I was afraid of. I don´t want for him to burn out, and he looked at his most tired when reinforcements were involved.
Good night/afternoon, heading to extra work.
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>>3898135
Especially with our terrain-shaping abilities. The biggest weakness of the giant monster is that they've got a lot of mass to get moving. Trap them in a terrain feature and they'll stay pretty trapped, just because they can't get the leverage they need to get their limbs up to speed. Sure, it has to be a pretty big terrain feature, but wit how much Bio we've got to throw around now that's hardly a problem.

I think to balance that you'd need far more mobile giant monsters. Things that aren't quite so lumbering, that move fast for their size. Which would certainly be high-level threats, a kaiju that has human-scale reaction times would be absolutely horrifying to fight. Not something to have show up often, I think, otherwise it just wouldn't feel fair. Alternatively, an alternate form of movement that we can't easily trap would work. One of the Apocalypse Amalgams is a flyer, I imagine we'd have quite a bit of trouble pinning that down. That I think would be less overwhelmingly powerful, while still feeling like a very hard fight.
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>>3898140
i get it, but so far the drawback has literally been we need them in the fight, which is a contradiction to both make us feel like that or make it exceedingly obvious its the case, then make it something we cannot afford to do. that in itself is bad mechanics and narrative, in my opinion.

and yeah, ill admit and understand that its more taxing for him, and appreciate him going through that, i was just saying he himself has control over that significantly and so far has he himself more than not made it an option for us, if not outright saying or encouraging it, despite said workload.

hope works not too tough on ya Anon.
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>>3898144

If still going with "slow but strong" a giant colony amalgam could also be very tough to pin down. Imagine fighting an amalgam ant colony that instead of being human sized ants was a giant colony of ant sized eusocial ants. Especially since ant supercolonies can get to ridiculous sizes: "In the U.S., California is home to an Argentine ant supercolony spanning more than 500 miles. "
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>>3898140
>>3898144
>>3898147
>tfw you’re talking about game theory while i’m away
I think I chose the wrong day to have a day off.
man I wish i could be at my cpu and have honest talk about this subject since I have my own 2 cents on this matter but Im at work.
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>>3898150
spiraling fear felt like the perfect example of “slow but strong”.
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>>3898150
Yeah, something amorphous would also be a pretty big challenge to our ability to trap monsters and pick them apart at our leisure. Another idea that just occurred to me: monster that moves via terrain shaping, like Gina's Neon Ascendant. Can't be trapped by terrain because it just removes the trap.

>>3898154
I just got back to a computer a couple minutes ago, myself. I feel bad for missing out on earlier conversation and the votes with Sia. Sia's cool, I like her.
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>>3898135

If it is a time based status effect i would probably give it something that would allow it to either repeat missed saves or allow it more chances to save.

To counter terrain based attacks i would give it good traversal abilitys. Especially in a place as the crucible if you are nto mobile you will die. We won many fights with manouvering and positioning a big monster would have the same ability while dealing out passive attacks it does not need to actively do(like a phantasmal field or semi autonomous tentacles or similar maybe even constructs). Either capabilites to push through terraformed terrain, tunnel, climb, jump or even fly is somethinjg i often consider when making monsters for my own use in DND which granted has not many drastic terrain changing spells as this game but is still soemthing one has to keep in mind

The monster also could have a short ranged teleport ability/ relic

The phantasmal field effects are somethign one can counter either by virtue of the monster being able to attack from far away or have high willpower/determination to not be swayed easily but can be overcome by getting in close

There is also the fact that the Monster itself might be liquid/gaseous or even an amalgamation of individual partys taht work together but are capable of indipendent movement and attack on their own. I like to draw oozez for a comparison. Sure you destroyed the big thing now there are lots of smaller things all eating and ripping at you from different sides.

And while it can be immune to many status effects i would allow it to be affected by still a few more, some of which may have a reduced effect
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>>3898150
>>3898155
spiraling fear was ore of a dungeon honestly. the most memorable factors were the environmental hazards and core. the swarm/minion stuff was kinda just sluggish honestly, but swarm/minions like that simply never are super interesting. like i said, they work better when treated more like an environmental hazard themselves, then an actual enemy.

>>3898144
to be fair, even now its implied terraforming is supposed to be eating away at Ginas bio reserves significantly, its just we dont see her Bio stat so it can be hard to actually contextualize that. i can see something simply being meaty enough due to certain defenses to just pull itself out of whatever pit or encasing we make. ill admit kinda hard to balance, but id not think impossible. also kinda hard to really decide on what i think is best here, as im not the one seeing the background info crunching the numbers.

which, from a player perspective, i personally think is overall the better way to do things and BHOP has one excellently, just when it comes to moments like this it does leave me shrugging my shoulders a bit, if that makes sense.
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>>3898155

Agreed, but it was fought from the inside out. I'm thinking of something that is pure brute force and animal intelligence that cannot be easily pinned because it's made of a giant mass of smaller creatures.

I have a few really creepy ideas the more I think about it. Things like a biological grey goo made of just a massive amount of amoeba sliding across the landscape scouring the top clean, whether that's of regular biomass, amalgams, or daughters, it's non-sentient and without a nervous system. More of a world hazard than a foe, but still nasty.
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>>3898167
neat idea, and not saying its bad or even that id not like to see that, but something like that amoeba pile really wouldn't be a fight at all, and would be more like a side quest away from it or a puzzle to solve it a less direct way. which , like i said, wouldn't be against exactly, just isnt a good example of how to make a combat encounter work better. it also would simply be a literal 'brute force it til it runs out of steam' type of fight id imagine, if we did fight it directly, assuming that was even an option.
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>>3897979

"Well, for what it’s worth Sia, me and my family will help where we can as we head forwards." You say, raising your glass to the girl as she does the same, and with that she rises from her seat, preparing a second drink to bring to the overworked Doctor as you leave them to her imminent conversation with your self-reflective scientist.

Skirting around the rest of the party while noting that Julia and Dorian are still fast asleep, and as you pass the ball pit on the way to Amara’s room you kneel down to run your fingers along some the FuzzBuzzes present, prompting them to combine into a larger variant that promptly snuggles Betty. The tall girl’s momentary alarm is quickly subsumed in a wave of sheer delight, and she gives you a timid wave of appreciation before thrusting her face into the swarmling’s deep mane. You’re so distracted by the sight that you don’t even realize that the door’s been swung open before you, your attempt at a knock missing entirely before your attentions snap forwards.

“Hello Miss Shu!” Amara greets happily, sweat on her brow and a wide smile on her face.

“How’d you…?” Comes your question, incredulous at her foreknowledge of your arrival until you notice the twitch of her cat-like ears. “…oh. Yeah, that makes sense. So, what’ve you been up to?”

Amara brow furrows in mock seriousness, slinging the calcite blade in her right hand over her shoulder as her voice deepens.

“While you’ve been partying, I studied the blade.” She replies, able to keep a straight face for two, maybe three seconds before she breaks out into a goofy grin. “Sasha said I should say that! Was I cool?”

“Very. Mind if I come in?” You chuckle, ruffling her hair before she steps aside to admit you, and what you see within is breathtaking. Julia and Dorian helped design a space that’s fit for a princess. A magnificent four-poster bed stands tall in the center of the room, with a colossal dresser to your left and an intricately-sculpted vanity desk to the right, the entire affair colored in a blend of elegant shades reminiscent of Amara’s own two-tone eyes – sky-blue and wheat-gold. While Amara darts over to flop bodily on her bed, you take a moment to inspect the collection of scribbles tucked into the edges of the mirror, depicting her with your family in addition to a few other scenes. There’s the Sororitas on the playground, Sasha with an exaggerated frown, and even Cheruem, amusingly depicted standing stoically atop a tree with a long scarf you’re pretty sure she doesn’t actually have, fluttering dramatically in an errant breeze.

Taking a step back, the craftsmanship of everything in Amara's room is stunning, a cohesive and palatial space to call her own that’s been honed with love and care by your pair of exceedingly talented artists. Given how much they do for her, you almost feel a little guilty that she’s chosen to refer to you as ‘Mom’.

(Continued)
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>>3898201

“Amara, is everything alright?” You begin, striding over to take a seat next to her on the bed. “You feeling okay?”

“Yep!” She nods rapidly, looking a little guilty as she does so. “Sorry for worrying you and Aunt Julia, I just really wanted to get some practice, and…”

She glances around conspiratorially before learning close to whisper in your ear. “…Cheruem seemed super-excited to teach me. I think I’m making progress with her!”

“Ha, alright. Good to know.” You wink back. “Hey, the Barbers told me about the Skinternet…have you checked it out at all?”

Amara ponders the question a moment before she speaks again, uncertainty creeping into her voice as she does so.

“Sort of? I know there’s a lot out there, but I mostly just check out Paloma’s galleries and Erica Blair’s netcasts.” She replies, now sporting the grin of a child who gets to explain something an adult is wholly ignorant of, in the face of your confused expression. “Paloma’s this really nice lady who runs a place called Samhain…or Samael…I forget, but she uploads pictures of her teacup collection and other pretty stuff she finds out in the world! I’ve wanted to show Aunt Julia, but we’ve been so busy I haven’t had the chance!”

“And this Blair person? Who’s she?” You prompt, and Amara grins even wider.

“Her name’s Erica Arthur Blair, and she’s getting super-popular really quick!” Comes her speedy answer. “She runs these fun little news shows, and she talks a lot about towns, hazards, and all sorts of fun rumors out there! She’s really popular, but I think her British accent has a lot to do with it.”

She cocks her head to the side suddenly, listening intently before looking back up to you again.

“Julia and Dorian are up!” She declares with an excited grin. “And Miss Gina’s on her wa…”

GG peeks around the doors edge, hazel eyes staring into yours pleadingly as she bites her bottom lip.

“Hey, so Rosa’s getting kinda sleepy, Betty’s fast asleep, and Sugar’s…having a sugar crash, ironically.” She says, and you know where her line of explanation is leading even as you help Amara to her feet as you rise from the bed. “Would you mind if they…?”

“It’d be fine with me, if it’s good with the rest of the family.” You relent, and with a quick nod Gina disappears around the corner. You realize absent-mindedly that Amara’s still holding on to your hand, her other clasped tight around the blade she’s been training with relentlessly ever since you set foot back home. While the Barbers get some rest, you sense the opportunity to finally have a sit-down meal with your family…

>>It’s time to go ahead and put Yurei’s remains to rest [CONSUME. POINTS AVAILABLE: 30].

>>Hold off for a minute or two, since there’s something else you want to ask Amara while it’s just the two of you (Write-In).

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, voting for the first option will set the vote to open at approximately 7PM tonight, Eastern time. Also, the prior activation of Knowable Kadath is not accounted for in the level-up points available, so there's technically one more level up available per family member. Voting shall remain open for the next two hours and I do hope your day is going well, one and all.)
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>>3898203
Write-In:

>>Lean Down and pick Amara up to hug her
>>"You did good out there. And thank you for sharing the sweets you found..... "

Share a couple minutes of intimacy with her and then

>>It’s time to go ahead and put Yurei’s remains to rest [CONSUME. POINTS AVAILABLE: 30].
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>>3898203
>Ask Amara to to careful on her searches through the skinternet, as you are sure theres some stuff even you wouldn't want to see there.
>If she would be willing though, you might have some research projects you would like her to work on for you, but you wont force her too if she would rather not. (Topics; 'Mother of All', Wests Movements, anything useful on our plans to hack/change the Cord.)

>It’s time to go ahead and put Yurei’s remains to rest [CONSUME. POINTS AVAILABLE: 30].

if the Barbers need their sleep, let em. cant think of anything to ask Amara more of honestly though, besides things that might
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>>3898205
>voting starts at 7pm
i scream in anguish.
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>>3898222
BHOP is being generous with us, usually its later.
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>>3898205
>7pm Eastern time

.......Well no sleep for me tonight
Eh who cares i dont have to work tomorrow i can just sleep at school
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>>3898201
>“While you’ve been partying, I studied the blade.” She replies, able to keep a straight face for two, maybe three seconds before she breaks out into a goofy grin. “Sasha said I should say that! Was I cool?”
And now, when the barbarians are at the gates, we come to you.

>>3898203
>“Her name’s Erica Arthur Blair
Does she write, too? I think there's some great potential in an allegorical story about the creatures of the fleshscape experiencing the tyranny of the Crucible and rising up against it. I call it Amalgam Farm.

>>It’s time to go ahead and put Yurei’s remains to rest [CONSUME. POINTS AVAILABLE: 30].
>>Write-In
>Not an in-depth conversation, but just tell her how proud we are of her and how serious she is about helping the family.
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>>3898203

If we're Mom, we're Mom. Although that's somewhat worrisome in that I wonder just how much of that is our Hive Mistress kicking that emotional vector in.

Seconding >>3898212. Then we let her know that we'll talk about anything she find on the skinternet, along with the >>3898216 warning/request. Responsible parenting means talking about stuff that makes you uncomfortable at times.
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>>3898205
well it looks like things are shooting for 7pm for the level up(with it opening up with a little bit of talk to Amara, is how id assume you would do it?)

should i expect the level up options at the end of this vote closing, or you gonna wait til 7pm to post it? want to know if i can afford to nap or not.
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>>3898249
(I'll be posting it at the time of update at 7Pm.)
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>>3898250
awesome. looking forward to it and a sleepless night haha.
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>>3898203
>hold offi, make small talk with Amara
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>>3898203
>>>Hold off for a minute or two, since there’s something else you want to ask Amara while it’s just the two of you (Write-In).

WRITE-IN:
> "Talk to me a bit more about the Skinternet. I want to understand it better. I want to know how you are dealing, the fleshcape caan be ugly to see, and not everything happening there are good news.... Ringo also told me that sometimes you could have a hard time with what the fleshcape tells you. He is a very wise and learnt dog, and he told me that, even for him and his people, Skintalking is a big burden" (PROMPT HER TO TELL HER WORRIES / UNDESIRABLE FEATURES OF THE SKINTERNET).

> "Also, how are you doing? When Yurei was summoning dream constructs, Sylvis attacked you and dealt you a very bad hit. I know you are very brave, but it is okay to feel afraid after something like that happens. Are you afraid?" (KNOW HOW SHE IS ANIMICALLY DOING)

>" What do you think about Francine/the Hexxane/Dream daughter?" (PROMPT her to talk about anyone of our family members that she has worries about.

I just want for Amara to take the initiative, and that she has time to bring her own concerns and whatever she wants to do, her view of what our priorities should be. She is a member of the team, and even if not an adult, she should have her own say on how we run things as a crew, no matter how weird that sounds. I don´t want her doing things she actually doesn´t want to, simply because she feels she has to put a brave face and follow what the adults think is best. I get the feeling she is an issue she could be prone to running into, a byproduct of having a very busy mother that needed her to be discreet and fend for herself.

If she is doing great, then it is even better. Let her do whatever she likes! And it would be a chance for Shu to release her inner goof a bit.
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>>3898254
i think you're worrying too much. shes been more than open before when somethings bothering her when we ask, and we did, and she already said nothing is getting to her. shes fine, no reason to ask her basically repeat questions, which alot of that is.
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>>3898254
I think she has given us her part already. She wants to see the ants. And we can talk about the finer details of the Skinternet at a later date. We have the basics down so no need to ask her more about this. If anything some good old fashioned hug will be what she needs right now the affections of a mother

the second question has been answered already it has only made her wanting to get better at fighting. That was the thin gshe addresses with Cheruem in her room and why she wasnt with us


She has also been pretty open with us when she has problems or worries. She trusts us or she wouldnt call us mom

On a personal note i would like to get to voting this night and not the nnight after since i will be incredibly busy then and wont have time
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>>3898259
i think BHOP would just start it even later tonight, which would be a bad idea i personally think, just with how long it takes, and we're already gonna need time to sort through the options before we vote as it is. but otherwise IC theres really nothing else to use as an excuse to put it off longer. at best/worst, it would only make sense to hold off and start voting tomorrow morning, and that usually seems to work out even worse for people.
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>>3898203

"You did good out there.” You commend, leaning down and scooping up your little Skintalker in a warm hug. “And thank you for sharing the sweets you found, too. I know the Barbers appreciated them."

She giggles as you throw in some tickles for good measure, but when you set her back on her feet it’s to fix her with a focused stare.

“I want you to make me a promise, okay?” You begin, her eyes going wide as she nods emphatically. “Please be very, very careful when you’re poking around the Net, okay? I know you’ve found some cool stuff, but I’m sure there’s some stuff even you wouldn't want to see there. Though, and only if you’re willing, would you keep an ear out for a few things? I don’t mean for you to do any deep-dives, but if you hear any chatter about West, anything about the Cord, or the phrase ‘Mother of All’, would you mind letting me know as soon as you do?”

“Yes, yes, and yes!” Comes her enthusiastic agreement, giving your hand a surprisingly strong squeeze of affection as she smiles up at you.

With that, you and Amara emerge from the room to find Gina’s at work with the Core console, crafting a simple room for the Barbers to find some level of privacy and rest in while your family takes their time picking through their hard-earned spoils. November’s finally emerged from her room and is chatting with her niece, while Francine’s dusting off her coat-sleeves, striding along into the living room on the heels of Sia as the latter starts herding the cats that are her scattered allies. Gina gives the four girls a wave, which they groggily return as they make their way to the temporary guestroom, and when the door shuts Gina promptly locks the console and trots over to you, rounding out the rest of your family present.

“Gang’s all here.” She comments as you withdraw the onyx crystal from your pocket, holding it in the center of your assembled circle of allies.

“...and hungry.” Rath adds, massaging her temples as she winces. “Remind me never to drink on an empty stomach.”

"Hey." November says quietly.

"Yeah?" Rath asks, taking the bait.

"...Don't drink on an empty sto..." November repeats drolly, her words drowned out when Rath gives a deep, unappreciative groan in the face of her aunt's ill-timed joke. Gina, Julia, and Dorian do their best to suppress their laughter, though there's non to be had from Francine. She's just staring at the crystal, pointedly ignoring November's comment and giving you a thin, mirthless smile when you meet her tired eyes.

"Alright, everyone ready?" You ask, and you're met with seven nods.

Very well, then...

...it's time to feed.

>>FAMILY LEVEL-UP [POINTS AVAILABLE FOR DISTRIBUTION: 30]

>>YUREI'S SKILLS: https://pastebin.com/DHPT620X

>>KNOWABLE KADATH: ACTIVATED [All Dream-capable party members may level up a Dream Daughter-associated Core]

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next seventeen hours, with posting to resume thereafter. I’ll be available for most of this evening if anyone has any questions, concerns, or criticisms, and I welcome it all. Best of luck, and please do not hesitate to reach out and link to this post if there’s anything you’re curious about. Thank you for your time, patience, and participation, as always.)

(Take care, Gentlemen.)
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>>3898366
so, everyone alright with say, starting the actual voting at 6:30 CST? (7:30EST BHOPS time, yes?)

that should be 40 minutes, then ill open things up like we normally have been, starting with point distribution. sound good? anyone need more time? (id prefer not to go over an hour though, as we're gonna need all the time we can get.)
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>>3898366
Okay, so 30 points among seven characters, that's about 4 points each +2 we can assign freely.

Should we start with Shu?
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>>3898373
we'll go in the order of the Character sheets are in, so yes, but after deciding on points distribution.
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>>3898366
>"...Don't drink on an empty sto..." November repeats drolly, her words drowned out when Rath gives a deep, unappreciative groan in the face of her aunt's ill-timed joke
Heather Neeson, graciously filling in for her brother when he's not around to do the dad jokes.

>>3898372
I might be a bit late to that. I haven't started dinner yet, I should probably take care of that. I'll try to make it, though.
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>>3898381
well, i DID ask if you would prefer to bump the starting time back a bit, yes? would that be your preference then?
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>>CALCITE HALO (Hexane, Lvl 1): Having once belonged to the legendary Marrow Dragoon, this Hexane remnant has saved its current owner countless times over…and now, its domain of protection now includes you.
Huh. Well, that's got to be an interesting story. Something to ask Yurei about. We know that she and Mara had peaceful interaction, so I guess they traded?
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>EXALTED SAMSARA (Phantasmal Conduit/Hive Mistress Hybrid, Lvl 1)
Since Shu already have a Phantasmal/HM hybrid with Spiritus Ex Testa, would one be assimilated into the other if she picked it?
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>>3898383
I don't want to push things back too late for anyone else, we're going to be running late with this as-is. It's fine, knowing us we're going to be taking so long on just the "how do we divide the points up" vote that I shouldn't miss anything major. In advance, in case I miss that: I vote for building plans as if everyone had four points, then assigning the last two afterwards to touch things up.
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>>3898389
fair enough

>>3898388
>>3898367
linking you this Anons question BHOP. so you actually see it!
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>>3898372
sounds good

just woke up from my nap
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>>3898367
Just for future reference, does luohan's hands take into account the user's resistances? i.e. if the user gets hit by an attack that would normally deal 20 slash damage, but they have 50% slash resist, would the subsequent counter deal 1 damage, or 2?
And if it does take into account resists, does it still trigger if the user has immunity to, or outright absorbs, the damage they're taking? I can't imagine it would, since it'd be kinda awkward to counter someone and end up healing them with your attack (though that could be an interesting way to heal your allies perhaps), but I think it's still worth asking just in case.
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>>3898372
I’m still at work and it’s going to be an hour before I can get back home. can you delay it by 30 min to 1 hour so i can catch up once i get back home?
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>>3898412
up to everyone else, but so far most dont seem to want to wait longer than that.
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>>3898388
Maybe it could be possible to hybridize the two. Combine a flesh body with a wraith like spirit.
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>>3898412
i would really prefer to start at 7:30EST as my own voting time would be cut dramatically before i have to leave. I am sorry but i cant comply with your wish.... You can still catch up later
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>>3898388
(It would not, as the two are so mechanically distinct that a blend of the two would too great a dilution.)

>>3898411
(It does take their resistances into consideration on both sides, and it basically works like this; if the counter would end up dealing damage to the attacker, then it triggers. If it would do nothing or help the attacker, then it does not. It's a 'smart' ability in that way, so the user doesn't shoot them-self in the foot when they use it. I hope this helps.)
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>>3898373
>>3898381
>>3898404
>>3898411
>>3898415
Right, well I suppose lets get the ball rolling then.

We will be going in order of the Characters as listed on the Characters Sheets, HOWEVER, our First Order of Business is Points Distribution;

let voting and discussion begin!

>My opinion below

my personal Take on it is 4 points even to everyone, with 6 points to Francine. Fuck you Francine, we aint letting you commit suicide, and she otherwise needs the extra levels significantly more than anyone else.
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>>3898429
I agree with you assesment.

The rest of the group does not need the levels all that much she needs them to get out of the realm of being a possible liablity in a West proxy fight. While she is capable she needs more punch and staying power
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>>3898429
I agree. Four points each, with the bonuses going to Francine.
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Ah a night in the Hive Boardroom planing the progression of our little "pet projects" and a hot cup of tea......

I think Boss Buzz will be pleased with our plans in the end.... SO we should not disappoint him unless we want to end up stuck to the bottom of the ocean with honey around our ankles
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>>3898448
yeah, always fun and heated, looking forward to this. fucking 30 damn degrees over here though, fuck, damn you winter!
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>>3898455
I was having a raised eyebrow at this but then remembered that you are using different units.....

So its around freezing for you as well? Great we can suffer through those temperatures together. At least i have my cup of tea
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>>3898460
and here i forgot to buy hot cocoa. though, i guess i do have choco syrup, but not the same...

also, probably gonna call it at 30 minutes if no one else votes, if only because i cannot see as much contention over the points spread compared as to where to spend them, given Francine's situation.
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>>3898470
Yeah its just no the same. though i personaly prefer to buy pure cocoa(used for baking) and then mix it with a bit of sugar to receive the mix of sweeet and bitter i desire at the time. most finished mixes are to sweet for my personal taste.

maybe make it more like 15 Minutes they already had half an hour
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>>3898432
>>3898444
>>3898389
>>3898373
RIGHT!
Wining vote;
>4 points even, 6 points Francine

NEXT UP,
the good influence to Ginas very, very naughty bad one, our local Hive Mistress and democratically elected leader, SHU!

Voting Begins now;
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>>3898470
back home
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>>3898480
Do we also make the Kadath Vote now? Or do we make that later after all is said and done?
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>>3898480
SHU, 4 points;
>Trypohilic Hive
>Spiritus Ex Testa (2)
>Unyielding Spirit
>Kad Point- Ravenous Maw
Hive because, well, we should. Good core get levels.
Spiritus because i want to actually use it but also want it to be better when we do and less risky.
Unyielding im honestly not married to giving it to Shu, but we needed to take it and i see the IC merit of Shu having Yurei in her head. However, still, doesn't have to be Shu technically.
Kad Maw because Maw is awesome and i like it more than Spiral.
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>>3898480
SHU

KADATH: Ravenous Maw

SPIRITUS EX TESTA x2 (I want to see where this goes)
TRYLOPHIC HIVEHIVE x1 (more corruption also more power to make sure our hive does not fall behind and we can eventually fill the ability out)
HUNDRED HANDED x 1(lets where this goes and how much more powerful it can get since we did not hybridize it last time)
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>>3898486
>>3898483
>>3898444
>>3898389
>>3898373
Yes make your Kad Point votes now and as we do each character please.
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>>3898487
I would like to give the Unyielding Spirit to FRANCINE as she needs the raw power it provides as well as the defense it gives to negative effects not married to the hundred handed part of my own vote however
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>>3898480
I feel like I'm missing something, but it seems to me like Exalted Samsara is strictly better than Spiritus. Both are a 1:1 conversion on BIO to HP but Samsara is much faster, isn't considered a construct, has no risk of deletion, and has full power at lvl 1. Spiritus in comparison just gives augmentation benefits from our swarm.
Anybody else see this?
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>>3898497
It still doubles up on the whole Create construct from dreamdaughter and Shu already has that ablity but they wont fuse so little poitn in waisting another slot on SHU.

I would rather give it to someone i knwo can make better use of it. Maybe Dorian or Julia as they can manifest Hexxane Ascendatns eventually Which would be really useful
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>>3898493
how about i trade Unyeidling out and you Handed and we both go for Dominus?

>>3898497
no, because Exalted FORCES the dream daughter into being automatons, Spiritus gives them freedom to act on their own and be themselves. Exalted also FORCES us to pay a Dream Daughters FULL Health and Bio cost to summon, Spiritus lets US choose, including to go PAST said Dream Daughters limit.

Spritus i personally think fits our team thematically much better, and i trust BHOP when he says both are different enough not to combine, which if Exalted was superior, they would.
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>>3898480
>Trypophilic Hive
>Spiritus Ex Testa x2
>Dominus Bloodline
>Firmament's Spiral (Knowable Kadath)

With BHOP hinting at how strong it gets, I think it's high time we started leveling Shu's core again.
Spiritus because we plan on using it to have our dream daughters fight with us and interact with the living again.
And I figure we may as well sink something in our underdeveloped hybrids. Firmament gets upgrade through KK on Uzu's ability.
Nothing in the pastebin looks like something Shu really needs, and she has enough abilities as is. The Calcite Halo can probably be better used by someone else.
I'm willing to trade out one point from Dominus or Spiritus to upgrade the neurotic Halo though.
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>>3898497
(At max level, a single well-crafted Spiritus Construct could effectively solo up to eight summons from a maxed-out Samsara. It's essentially a split similar to the options laid before you by Mother during your Choice; one versus many.)
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>>3898505
sure lets do that instead that is something i can get behing

>>3898480
Ammending>>3898488
to SHU

KADATH: Ravenous Maw

SPIRITUS EX TESTA x2 (I want to see where this goes)
TRYLOPHIC HIVEHIVE x1 (more corruption also more power to make sure our hive does not fall behind and we can eventually fill the ability out)
DOMINOUS BLOODLINE x 1
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Am >>3898483

>>3898480
Shu:
>Spiritus Ex Testa
Gotta work on Spiritus
>Calcite Halo
This lets Shu be in the fray more easily just as it being a base form. I do wonder what would happen if we Hybridize the halos?
>Hundred Handed
>Hive

>>3898497
But I get the feeling that he drawback to this is that they don't get Shu's Core Hive augmentation benefits.
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>>3898509
ah, then id personally much rather shoot ofr any Dream Daughter we have to kick as much ass as possibly yes. Spiritus for me for sure.
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>>3898497
I do, but I think that Exalted Samsara is philosophically untenable for Shu. Spiritus Ex Testa maintains the Dream Daughter's free will (which brings into question how Lepisma controlled her constructs, but that's for a later conversation), Exalted Samsara does not.

>>3898509
Ah, well that's even better. Focused versus diffuse power, it only looks like Samsara is better at this low level. And maxing out Trypophilic Hive will make Spiritus even stronger, because it gets those benefits, too.

Also, can I propose a name for our Spiritus clones better than "Spiritus clones"? "Spiritus ex testa" is Latin for "spirits from the shell". So I propose that we call what Spiritus produces Shells.
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>>3898516
you forgot your Kad vote my friend.
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>>3898520
that sounds a bit hollow, considering ironically Spiritus is the one that actually grants them freedom and lucidity.
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>>3898509
So we can still create the Spiritus COnstructs ahead of time...... So it is very good in comparison to Samsara

>>3898520
She could have been on good terms with her dreamdaughters and might have been a very pleasent person we will have to talk with her to find out
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>>3898429
>>3898521
Ah thank you!
Kad point: Firmanant's spiral.
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Right, and my vote:

SHU
>Spiritus Ex Testa x2
>Trypophilic Hive x1
>Dominus Bloodline x1
>Kadath: Ravenous Maw

Tempted to give Shu a Calcite Halo, but with the Sparagmos Engine we can give it to Shu later if it really seems useful for her.

>>3898523
Yeah, but the Spiritus constructs are hollow. The start out as blanks, and only become something more when a Dream Daughter is installed. They are mere empty Shells, given life by the spirit within.
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>>3898480
>>3898523
How long is each voting segment gonna be? 1 hour?
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>>3898531
It's usually an informal thing. It ends whenever we reach a majority winning vote. There will typically be a once-over at the end for anyone who changed their mind or is coming in late, though.
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>>3898531
no set time limit, but as i was about to post, im going off clear numbers of people here with the lock in method to move things along.

so far we have... 5-7 people, but im kinda thinking someone might be accidentally changing I.D.s with the pattern im seeing, so hard to tell.

regardless, one moment.
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>>3898509
Cool beans, that makes me feel a lot better about Spiritus.

>>3898480
Shu:
>Hive x2
>Spiritus
>Dominus
>Kad: Spiral

I'm really tempted on the halo as well but Dominus is pretty good healing for all involved and Shu is not usually our tank right now. If we figure out at a later level that it extends to constructs I think it would be worth it, but not now.
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>>3898532
nah i was kinda asking since the last voe i was here for ahd formalised segments of about an hour.
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>>3898537
Oh, that's BHOP's official voting periods. He's allocated a seventeen hour (down to fifteen, now) period for us to vote within this time, but since build votes are so complex we like to break it down in a more unofficial manner.
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>>3898529
I'll second this vote.
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>>3898541
right well this guy just broke a tie, so gimme a moment everyone!
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>>3898540
I guess i got confused i am not the most well rested right now....

I have been around for some time and participated in these votes as well the last time i jsut had not time
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>>3898541
>>3898536
>>3898529
>>3898516
>>3898513
>>3898506
>>3898487

CURRENT VOTES;
>(Trypohilic Hive x2)- 1 Votes
>(Trypohilic Hive)- 6 Votes
>(Spiritus Ex Testa)- 2 Votes
>(Spiritus Ex Testa x2)- 5 Votes
>(Dominus Bloodline)- 6 Votes
>(Hundred Handed)- 1 Votes
>(Calcite Halo)- 1 Votes
>(Kad Point- Ravenous Maw)- 4 Votes
>(Kad Point- Firmaments Spiral)- 3 Votes

Locked In Votes;
>Typohilic Hive
>Spiritus Ex Testa x2
>Dominus Bloodline
>Kad Point, Ravenous Maw

NO POINTS REMAINING!

NEXT UP,
our local suicide prevention project, the one who would break the cycle of curiosity, our local lovely doctor, FRANCINE!

VOTING BEGINS NOW!
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>>3898544
Ah, no worries, anon. Though if you're not well-rested then this is not going to be good for you.
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>>3898548
My Vote;

FRANCINE, 6 points;
>Creations Strings (2)
>Primordial School
>Unyielding Spirit
>Luohans Hands
>Calcite Halo
>Kad Point- Hand of the Queen
Get that Core up, is good.
So is school, but i want to see how it works going forward, as it could use a little bit more versatility i think.
Hands because giving her a kung-fu counter will save her ass at her level.
Same with the Calcite Halo and Unyielding Spirit.
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>>3898549
not the most well rested. I am actually fine but the finer details of memory especially those older than a week are a bit fuzzy. I ddid actually manage to catch some naptime before i goit back tot htis
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>>3898550
you forgot 2 points, Francine has 6 to spend.
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>>3898548
I deleted teh last entry since i forgot to copyy the last part of my vote

FRANCINE

KADATH: HAND OF THE QUEEN

>>CALCITE HALO
>>LUOHAN’S HANDS (Super Martial Arts. I think this will go quite well with her)
>>UNYIELDING SPIRIT (The Wests are making their move she needs more power and another headbudy.... aside from Lepisma. THis would boost her quite a bit in her survivability and would at least get her out of the liability department against a West proxy)
PRIMORDIAL SCHOOL x1
CREATIONS STRINGS x2
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>>3898548
>Creations Strings x2
>Primordial School
>Unyielding Spirit
>Luohans Hands
>Calcite Halo
>Hand of the Queen - KK
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>>3898554
But apperantly my english did not improve over the last weeks

>>3898555
I noticed the moment you posted and went back to find i had actually missed a line i wanted to copy
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>>3898553
Supporting

Looks like this one is pretty clear already.
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>>3898548
>Creations Strings x2
>Hand Of The Queen
>Primordial School
>Unyielding Spirit
>Luohan's Hands

Knowable Kadath: Hand Of The Queen

BHOP said that Creation's Strings are another OP ability, in the same mention as Trypophilic Hive. I want to focus on that, while boosting her other abilities.

Yurei's Core would go well with her and make her even hardier, and Luohan's Hands compliments Hand Of The Queen.
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>>3898548

I'll support this >>3898553

The only worry that I have with this is that West Prime might be looking for just "any" Vitruvian ability and might try to do a forced ability tree extraction from Francine while keeping the option for extracting Isabelle out of Shu as an open option.
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>>3898367
Bhop. Has our Contender leveled up?
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>>3898572
There's no way West hasn't gotten a good number of Vitruvian abilities already. I think the chance of this one being the key is low, we saw what it was doing at high level with Yurei already. Worth the risk imo
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>>3898578
(Not yet, but she's close.)
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Do you think it's worth it to give Francine Palm of Creation? Let her accrue CURIOSITY stacks with Hand of the Queen faster. It would also boost her regen considerably, which would assist her when using Creation's Strings for healing by giving her more to play with. Thoughts?

>>3898572
Prime wanted Rath for Tensile Strands, so yeah, it's probably any Vitruvian ability she's desperate for. I actually think that Prime is grasping at straws, reaching for any ability she thinks could restore her condition without really considering the individual merits of them,
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>>3898572
I am pretty sure she needs a very strong core for that probably either Isabelle or Yurei... Dont think Raths core is gonna cut it.

>>3898580
One question that just popped into my mind.

if an ability treee is a core and then gets a level transfered to another person can that transfered ablility be a core for that other person as well?
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>>3898582
eh, Francines just doesn't get or keep stacks going long enough. that ontes only really useful on Julia, in my opinion.
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>>3898583
Yes. Shu has Gina's Core Neuromantic ability.
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>>3898583
(It's only a Core for the person that originally possessed it, if I understand you correctly. Technically, one of the very few exceptions to this rule is an instance like when Gina passed her Core to Shu through ACCEPTANCE, which isn't something that happens often. I hope this answers your question.)
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>>3898586
That was acceptance i was more asking if the transfer with an engine would achieve the same thing
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>>3898588
okay yeah that works
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>>3898585
And Dorian, if it means he can be Inspired for free.
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>>3898585
I think we can consider voting closed we have a pretty clear unanimous consensous

>>3898601
maybe but i dont think he needs is particularly the bosst might be nice but he can shift for free already i think
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>>3898601
but it doesn't automatically give him that. and his form shifting is already a free action, so he really has no use for it, compared to leveling up other things especially.

>>3898603
i was giving >>3898582
time to at least vote to put forth his arguments, but you are right. ill give him just a few more minutes at the very least.
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>>3898601
Would be nice. We don't really use his Inspired forms all too much, but that could change if shifting to them was free.

>>3898604
>i was giving >>3898582 (You) time to at least vote to put forth his arguments, but you are right. ill give him just a few more minutes at the very least.
Oh, I was waiting for more response about my proposal. But I don't think people are really all that into using Palm of Creation on Francine, so I'm fine with passing it up. Consider my vote a support for the general consensus, my vote was identical save for taking a level off of Strings for Palm.
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>>3898608
alright, then one moment folks.
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>>3898608
>>3898572
>>3898565
>>3898563
>>3898558
>>3898556
>>3898553
CURRENT VOTES;
>(Creations Strings x2)- 7 votes
>(Primordial School)- 7 votes
>(Hand of the Queen)- 1 votes
>(Unyielding Spirit)- 7 votes
>(Luohans Hands)- 7 votes
>(Calcite Halo)- 6 votes
>(Kad Point, Hand of the Queen)- 7 votes

Locked in Votes;
>Creations Strings x2
>Primordial School
>Unyielding Spirit
>Luohans Hands
>Calcite Halo
>Kad Point, Hand of the Queen

NO POINTS REMAINING!

NEXT UP,
Our local ball of cute and hyperactivity, the 'totally doesn't know adult stuff' “””innocent””” little family daughter, AMARA!

VOTING STARTS NOW!
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>>3898612
my Vote;

AMARA, 4 points;
>Joyous Many
>Queen Crimson
>Oxygenic Artillery(2)
>Kad Point- Hunters Honor
When SHOULDN'T we upgrade Joyous?
Queens been pretty good too honestly, so id like to keep it going.
And Oxygenic as i want her to have more direct damage methods.
Hunters Honor just fits perfectly with her having spent time training with Cherum.
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>>3898612
AMARA

KADATH: HUNTERS HONOR

HUNTERS HONOR x2(more melee power in case a Silvis situation happens again. So that she can come out on top this time)
THE JOYOUS MANY x1(Lets make her clones a bit better)
OXYGENIC ARTILLERY x1(a bit of a ranged option she can make use of if there is nothing else for her to do. Never know when you might need a piecve of mobile artilelry and the tank is not available)

Not marreid to the Artillery and would be willing to trade that for something else. But i want to improve Cheruems Core it seems pretty useful
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>>3898612

Amara:
>Kadath point: Hunter's Honor
Come on, Amara's learning the way of the Blade by an alien samurai mall cop. It's fitting that she gets to level up.

>Consume: Calcite Halo
Amara's Neurotic Halo's been Hybridized with Hollow Clone to create Joyous Many, lets give her another halo to level up.
>Lexicon
At least get something more out of Lexicon.
>Joyous Many
We need better shadow clones.
>Consume Exalted Samsara
Amara's currently got the most useful dream daughters crammed inside her [Churem, The Sororitas (4 daughters in one), and Sasha] second to Gina [Bella, Kosi, Meg], and Shu [Johanna, Holly, Uzu, Isabelle]. The quick spawn ability would serve Amara very well considering much of her offensive and defensive gimmick relies on basically shadow clones. I am open to trading this out for Oxygenic Artillery if a strong case is made, or if general consensus overrides the consume exalted Samsara vote.
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>>3898601
(I'd like to clarify that yes, Palm of Creation's wording implies that even Inspired Formes are fair game for the shift. Apologies for the vague wording, as I meant for the implication to be there.)
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Would Yuki-Onba's Lament (is that a typo of Yuki-Onna, by the way?) combine with Oxygenic Artillery, or are they distinct enough that they'd remain two separate skills both about making air-blasts. Because I'd like that mobility enhancement on Amara, but I don't want to have to go to a different skill entirely instead of keep working on Oxygenic Artillery. Unless Artillery eventually gets mobility enhancement of its own.
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>>3898619
i HIGHLY disagree with giving Amara Exalted Samsare, it simply goes against our entire moral standing as a group. if, IF we were gonna do that, which is still dont agree on, giving her a copy of Spiritus would be the way to go.

>>3898618
i really disagree with that many points into Hunters Honor. versatility i think will serve her much better here.
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>>3898622
honestly i dont see why creative thinking couldn't make Oxygenic give her movement bonuses already.

>>3898619
wait, are you saying you want to OUTRIGHT get rid of Oxygenic?! hell fucks no to that.
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>>3898622
(Yuki-Onba would blend with Oxygenic Artillery, and Yurei's ability is actually the stronger of the two so the COLD damage type would win out. Also, Yuki-Onba means 'snow granny', and it's in the same general class as the Yuki-Onna spirits, according to my dubious research.)
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>>3898627
How about this i drop one of the points in Hunters Honor and take Queen crimson instead and you drop one point from the Artillery and give her one extra level in Honor to make her more defensible in Melee adn give her the chance to actually be a massive threat with her blade

I woul dlike to get the skil to at least level 5
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>>3898612
>Joyous Many
>Holsitic Lexicon
>Oxygenic Artillery
>Hunters Honor
>Queen Crimson - KK

I'm using the KK point on QC rather than HH just to give Sasha a little something. It also improves the dream daughter it's used on right? Churem was already an endgame fighter, so Sasha could use it more.

Well, I have to go sleep, so good luck to you all. I'll just say before i leave that I think Rath should get Rimewind's Howl.
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>>3898627
Exalted Samsara is mostly good for Refining fodder. It's a pretty sizable stat boost that way, but we don't have enough points to really spend just on a stat boost.

>>3898630
Hmm. I'm tempted, then. I like that "blast enemy away while you also move back", it's great for keeping Amara safe. And I want her to be able to do ninja jumps. But I'm not sure it's worth a level investment.

Also, did know about that yokai, interesting.
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>>3898620
>>3898622 is asking a good question

>>3898612
Changing my vote. Disregard >>3898619

Amara
Kadath point: Hunter's Honor
>Yuki-Onna's Lament
Amara could benefit hybridizing Oxygenic Artillery with Yuki-Onna's Lament. That way, her Air-blasts would have a more powerful effect as well as give Amara the speed and mobility she desperately needs to keep out of harms reach. I want to hybridize Yuki-Onba and Oxygennic Artillery or have one of the two augment the stronger one.
>Consume Calcite Halo
>Joyous Many
>Oxygenic Artillery.


>>3898629
Where in my post did I say I wanted to get rid of Oxygenic Artillery?
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>>3898641
i dont think Amara needs the stats THAT badly.

>>3898636
i dont think Queen can be kk'd? i am unsure though. i dont think it was Sashas core, is the thing?

>>3898647
oh, i misread what you were saying about Oxygenic.
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>>3898634
i guess i can agree to this as a compromise.

>>3898636
also you making that distinction with kk kinda complicates things unnecessarily, and like i said, its Cherum she has spent time with in her dream realm, not Sasha.
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>>3898652
>i dont think Queen can be kk'd? i am unsure though. i dont think it was Sashas core, is the thing?
I believe it was, actually, she had a little speech about "oh, thought I was a Neuromancer Core, huh?" when we fought her. But Kadath works on any skill obtained from a Dream Daughter, not just their Core.
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>>3898641
do it. Yuki Onba's Lament is basically an advanced version of Oxygenic Artillery. Where Oxygenic Artillery is weaponized air blasts, Yuki-Onba's Lament is advanced Mobility. And Amara doesn't have any mobility option.
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>>3898663
>>3898366
>All Dream-capable party members may level up a Dream Daughter-associated Core
only works on Cores, according to BHOP
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>>3898669
He's said otherwise in other instances. And the Augment description itself says "any skill trees".
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>>3898618
How about trading one point of Oxygenic Artillery for Yuki Onba's Lament? Amara's lacking in Mobility options.
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>>3898612
Ammeding my vote from >>3898618
to
AMARA

KADATH: HUNTERS HONOR

HUNTERS HONOR x1(more melee power in case a Silvis situation happens again. So that she can come out on top this time)
THE JOYOUS MANY x1(Lets make her clones a bit better)
OXYGENIC ARTILLERY x1(a bit of a ranged option she can make use of if there is nothing else for her to do. Never know when you might need a piecve of mobile artilelry and the tank is not available)
QUEEN CRIMSON x1

>>3898669
That should be updated on the Character Sheet then. There it still is written down as any of the skills a dream daughter has bequeathed to her host
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>>3898670
well, then he needs to clear that up, as im pretty sure hes said only Cores before aswell.
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>>3898671
Didnt Isabelle use the Artillery to propel herself through the air while we fought against her?

I think the artillery in and of itself is gonna be enough to grant mobility
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>>3898671
>>3898676
yeah id rather keep Oxygenic attack focused over changing it to movement focused. it can still be used for mobility, as is, just wont be its main focus.
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>>3898673
(Looking it up for clarification now, Gentlemen.)
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>>3898679
>KNOWABLE KADATH (Phantasmal Conduit Augmentation): A curious Augmentation for a curious sort of Daughter, this ability may only be activated when conversing with a Dream Daughter in the Dreamscape. When activated, you may level up any the skill trees the Dream Daughter has bequeathed to you, but only once per session. From foes, to friends, to something grander…you know what that is? Growth. (BIO +80%)
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>>3898676
No. That was Isabelle using Oxygenic Artillery as a defensive measure. She also used Oxygenic Artillery as a weaponized ranged attack as part of a one-girl duotech. Many of her other movement options was just her using Dogged Sprinter.
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>>3898667
I guess. I like the increased damage and mobility boost. But I also like the knockback of Oxygenic. Plus, and this is a really minor complaint that shouldn't influence me but does, ice blasts aren't very ninja-themed. Like, okay, Sub-Zero, but that's it. But this isn't Fashion Horror Quest, I shouldn't let that be a factor.
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>>3898685
Well, you've made your case. I won't push any further.
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>>3898684
And Resplendent Thread. That should be giving Dorian mobility enhancement eventually.
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we're still 3 voters short, though a few things have already been locked in, if people think me posting that now would help the rest discuss and vote?
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>>3898684
Still not convinced we need it. I would rather just keep the artillery focused on what it is. A damage dealer. it is also not a hybrid so we can more easily hybridizie it later.

We can get her another movement option later. maybe Dorian can share his ability if we really need it. But i think we will be able to get a unique one later on
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>>3898683
(I believe that my original intention when creating Kadath was to allow for better and more consistent rewards when interacting with Dream Daughters in addition to offering you the power of choice as opposed to a dice roll, so in keeping with the spirit of that I will rule that any ability that has been granted to you by a Dream Daughter you possess is fair game. Abilities gained from Amalgams and the like don't pass that limitation, however.)
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>>3898689
>Resplendant thread giving Dorian more mobility
>when he's already got Spring Heeled jack augmented by 3 levels of Dogged Sprinter
>When Canvas Form gives him even more mobility
>Inb4 Accumulating Charge gives him literal lightning speed.
Dorian pls. he's going 2 fast.
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>>3898695
That seems more than fair, given the spirit of the ability. Thanks for the ruling, BHOP!
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>>3898695
fair enough.
sorry if i worded the earlier message more harshly then intended, but as pointed out, you have been slightly inconsistent at times with it.
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>>3898696
There is not any going to fast. If he moves so fast he can overtake light we reaches ludicrous speed but not before that..... unless he shreds himself again. then he might need ot slow down until we have solved that whole "being reliant on tanglible matter" problem
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>>3898700
(Oh, that's totally fair. A lot of these powers were made so long ago that it's hard to remember my original intentions, as a great many cropped up to offer alternative playstyles and the like, so sometimes that ambiguity comes to the forefront. I appreciate you asking for a ruling, as I want for everyone to proceed with as much information as possible, within reason.)
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>>3898698
>>3898689
>>3898672
>>3898647
>>3898636
>>3898616
>>3898579
CURRENT VOTES;
>(Joyous Many)- 4 votes
>(Lexicon)- 1 votes
>(Queen Crimson)- 2 votes
>(Oxygenic Artillery)- 4 votes
>(Hunters Honor)- 3 votes
>(Calcite Halo)- 1 votes
>(Yuki-Onnas Lament)- 1 votes
>(Kad Point- Hunters Honor)- 3 votes
>(Kad Point, Queen Crimson)- 1 votes

Locked in Votes;
>Joyous Many
>Oxygenic Artillery

2 + Kadath POINTS REMAINING!
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>>3898695
Alright, cool. Thanks, that makes things a lot easier for us to keep track of, too. No need to argue over "was that her Core skill?" this way.

>>3898696
We're probably going to hybridize Spring-Heeled and Accumulated Charge eventually, too. Endgame Dorian is going to be a living railgun projectile.
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>>3898698
>>3898689
>>3898672
>>3898647
>>3898636
>>3898616 (You)
>>3898579
oh, and repost your new votes please, even if you technically change nothing, it helps keep track of things, trust me.
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>>3898709
My Vote;
>Hunters Honor
>Queen Crimson
>Kad Point, Hunters Honor

made a compromise deal and im sticking to it.
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>>3898715
i meant with just the points remaining...
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>>3898713
I shall.
My votes for the remaining points:
>Hunter's Honor
>Queen Crimson

Knowable Kadath: Hunter's Honor
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>>3898709
>Kadath point: Hunter's Honor
>Calcite Halo
Amara needs another Halo now that Neurotic Halo's hybridized with Hollow clone. Amara can benefit from being tanky.
>Lexicon
Come on. Lexicon could provide better utility.
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>>3898713
Sure.

AMARA
>Queen Crimson x1
>Hunter's Honor x1
>Kadath: Hunter's Honor

I'm hoping that Oxygenic Artillery will grant mobility regardless. We've seen that skills will adapt to learn from the user's teammates, an existing example on Amara is how her Joyous Many get that last-HP save like Shu's swarmlings do. So even if Oxygenic does not innately allow that, it's entirely possible that hanging around a party full of mobilty-boosters and training with an alien ninja (Cheruem must have had mobility enhancers, given their melee-focused build and preference for ending battles quick) could give her something.
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>>3898711
i kinda feel like a Calcite ability or something would be terrifying n there. make him literally fire off hunks of calcite like a railgun does.

>>3898722
Lexicon has just not impressed me enough to keep trying.
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>>3898713

>QUEEN CRIMSON x1
>HUNTERS HONOR x1
>KADATH: HUNTERS HONOR

>>3898718
Sorry i was getting a bit too excited
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>>3898728
its fine.

>>3898724
honestly i wonder if Oxygenic wont technically provide more but will less control? basically instead of a controllable, fine stream of air, Amara just shotgun blasts the ground and rocket jumps wildly.
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>>3898730
>>Amara just shotgun blasts the ground and rocket jumps wildly.
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>>3898730
>Rocket jumping 7-year old ninja
too terrifying.
>>3898733
And bhop fucking confirms it.
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>>3898730
Well if we're going to let our daughter harm herself via rocket jumping, we need to give her some defensive options.
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>>3898733
Oh, hey, I just noticed something: Didn't you say when we were fighting her that Luohan's Hands was Fibromancy/Neruomancy, not Flesh Artisan/Neuromancy? The description of it suggests Fibromancy, too. Is that a typo, or am I misunderstanding something?
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>>3898730
>>3898733
I have no problem with this.
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>>3898740
does air count a a ranged projectile? it technically DOES exist as a substance. can her Queen Crimson catch it and toss it away safely?
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>>3898713
Don't worry about my vote anymore, I'll check in every once in a while but I've got other work I need to finish. Thanks for organizing all this though.
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>>3898745
please direct this question to our mad god Bhop. >>3898733
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>>3898755
alright, fair enough, still gonna give the white named Anon a little bit more time though, but looks like he may of disappeared too.
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>>3898752
I think that would be more along the lines of creating some cyclonic air-focusing array out of its tendrils. Which sounds kind of awesome, a spiraling network of bloody strands blossoming around her to catch the wind and focus it safely into thrust.
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>>3898758

Do you mean ?>>3898636
He said he would go to sleep
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>>3898741
(Bah, I meant for it to be a triply-hybrid of all three, since it's the one that applies BALANCE stacks eventually, as well. Apologies, I'll correct that immediately.)

>>3898745
>>3898752
(For the purposes of the system, it absolutely does.)
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>>3898761
oh, fuck, i missed that. my bad, well then gimme a moment folks, sorry about that.
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>>3898733
>Amara gets ideas and tries it out mid-combat
>Julia runs around below, screaming incoherently as she tries to catch her baby girl
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>>3898728
>>3898724
>>3898722
>>3898719
>>3898716
CURRENT VOTES;
>(Lexicon)- 1 votes
>(Queen Crimson)- 4 votes
>(Hunters Honor)- 4 votes
>(Calcite Halo)- 1 votes
>(Kad Point- Hunters Honor)- 5 votes

Locked in Votes;
>Joyous Many
>Oxygenic Artillery
>Queen Crimson
>Hunters Honor
>Kad Point, Hunters Honor

NO POINTS REMAINING!

NEXT UP,
our lady of the most fashionable of skinsuits, our stammering homemaker with a heart to dwarf the sun, JULIA!

VOTING STARTS NOW!
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>>3898767
and a rageso terrible it makes Khorn go back to his throne and smile to himself satisfied of knowing there is someone who can keep up with his own rage

JULIA

KADATH: CARNIVEROUS CARVER

>>PALM OF CREATION(no question this is just too good for her not to take)
SCULPTRESS OF FLESH x1(lets see her core at level 10)
SEASONAL OPPRESION x1(her passives can use more of a boost and we can make her power even greater so she can more RIP AND TEAR when needed)
CARNIVOROUS CARVER x1


Not to married to the Carver Level Up The rest i would like to keep
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Julia:
>Kadath point: Carnivorous Carver.

>Calcite Halo
Julia has Calcite Weaponry would benefit from Calcite halo. And I hope to hybridize both the Neurotic Halo and the Calcite halo.
>Yuki-Onba's Lament
Julia needs some speed to keep up with her love, also synergizes with Seasonal Depression
>Rimewind's Howl
This would give Julia a total of THREE levels of Cold resistance (one from Seasonal Depression's components, two from Rimewind's howl) and augment her Seasonal Depression attacks.
>Palm of Creation
No brainer here.

Also, why aren't we upgrading the halos?
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>>3898763
>it Does
>pic FUCKING related

>>3898767
my Vote;

JULIA, 4 points;
>Carnivorous Carver (2)
>Palm of Creation
>Calcite Halo(3)(Replace and add in the 2 Neurotic Halo levels)
>Kad Point- Elemental Digestion
Canrivorous is fucking great, lets get it a good boost.
Palm is just a good augment for her.
She really doesn't need the Neurotic Halo, its just gonna sit there, lets replace it with one that a frontline fighter will actually use and level up.
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>>3898767
Julia:
>Sculptress Of Flesh
>Carnivorous Carver
>Seasonal Oppression
>Palm Of Creation

>Knowable Kadath: Carnivorous Carver

Julia's Core has been ignored for far too long, I say we remedy this. Carnivorous Carver was a literal game changer against Yurei, breaking several Crucible records, so it definitely needs more of a boost. Palm of Creation would work great with her Core, and let's also give her newest Hybrid a boost.
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>>3898771
Linking this to >>3898767

>>3898772
But Julia needs that for her critical counters. Also, for doing lovey dovey secret talks with Dorian. And why not hybridize them?
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>>3898767
JULIA
>Palm of Creation
>Sculptress of Flesh x1
>Seasonal Oppression x1
>Artisanal Appetites x1
>Kadath: Elemental Digestion

I just want to tip Julia over the edge and get corrupted already, raise Sculptress for that. It's a powerful skill, we should stop putting off raising it until we find that perfect skill to hybridize with it, especially now that we've got a Sparagmos Engine. Seasonal Oppression because a melee-range suppression field is great for her, level the hell out of that. Artisanal Appetites just because the description says it gets very good, I want to see where it goes. If it's crap we can just recycle it with the Engine. Palm of Creation to enhance her stack inflicting. And Elemental Digestion from Kadath for increased chip damage and defenses.
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>>3898773
>>3898771
guys, GUYS, Carnivorous Carver has no Daughter Abilities in it we got from one of Julias Dream Daughters, it cannot be done via Kadath.

re-read BHOPS message, he still said it has to have a related Dream Daughter, Carnivorous does not.
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>>3898777
Wait doesnt she have the one girl with the blood dagger... Penny something
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>>3898772
I'd prefer to keep Neurotic Halo at at least level one, the critical counter has proven invaluable on more than one occasion.

>>3898777
Yes it does, Bloody Ripper came from Penny.
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>>3898770
>>3898777
you too, grah.
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>>3898777
Penny (you know the Cockney accented girl) resides in Julia. Carnivorous Carver has the Bloody Ripper (which is from Penny) as a component ability. It fits.
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>>3898778
>>3898780
>>3898783
i 100% thought BHOP said that was from someone else.

Grah, ok,
this is just pissing me off a bit now
>>3898763
BHOP, i need your help, after this, i need to MARK DOWN what abilities are linked to what dream Daughters, now that we have Kadath, Cores or not.
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>>3898771
>>3898767
Changing my vote:
Kadath: Carnivorous Carver.

>Sculptress of Flesh
>Rimewind's Howl
>Palm of Creation
>Calcite halo x1
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>>3898786
fucking now in rushing to catch up, YAY!
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>>3898786
(Agreed. My old list is terribly out of date, and my own mind is failing me. I'll work with you after the Vein concludes to clarify all this.)
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>>3898786
>Nah Penny attacked us with the bloody ripper after she had disguised herself as Julia
>I think i will adapt my vote a bit the Calcite Halo makes sense for her but i would like to keep the Neurotic Halo on her for that critical counter. Its her only ability that allows her to counter so i would liek to keep it

>>3898767
Ammending my vote from >>3898770 (You)
to
KADATH: CARNIVEROUS CARVER
>>PALM OF CREATION(no question this is just too good for her not to take)
SCULPTRESS OF FLESH x1(lets see her core at level 10)
CARNIVOROUS CARVER x1
CALCITE HALO x2(1 level by reducing the Level of the Neurotic halo by 1)
Forgot
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>>3898771
>>3898767
Changing my vote to might as well support this >>3898799

>>3898799
I wonder what would happen if we hybridized the two halos...?
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>>3898802
Fucking hell. You bamboozled me. I'm still supporting your vote though.
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>>3898807
Sorry for the bamboozle I forgot to link it to the original post ...

The thing with the halos is that it might be extremely powerful or it might be horribly unstable.....
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>>3898802
>>3898805
Julia, Rath, and Dorian have no reason to keep their Neuromantic Halos. any reason we might have to keep it on them, we already know the Calcite does too, as said reasons are simply inherent to Halos themselves.
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>>>3898805
>>3898802
>>3898776
>>3898773
also, i thought we were holding off on Flesh to hybridize it?
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>>3898818
with what did we want to hybridize it again?

It genuely slipped my mind
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>>3898814
I like the auto-counter. It's proven quite useful since we've gotten it. At most, I'd want to reduce them to level one.
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>>3898820
i dont think we ever decided as everyone agreed she had more good choices than bad for doing that.

Elemental Digestion might work good though.

>>3898823
the Calcite Halo gave that too, remember?
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>>3898823
theres simply no point in having both, better to consolidate what halo we focus on on each person.
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>>3898826
>the Calcite Halo gave that too, remember?
Yes, but at a higher level. I'd like to hold on to Neurotic Halo level one at least until the Calcite Halo has developed its own auto-counter. Then I'd be fine scrapping it.

Oh, also, just something I thought about right now: We've got another Halo type. We should see what that unlocks on the Ascendant Crown.
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>>3898827
Wouldnt it grant a second auto counter per battle? That could be very useful for a melee fighter
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>>3898814
I do like the Neuromantic feedback immunity (aka the Isolation mode) the Halos provide as well as the 360 degree vision. They'll come in handy as a utility option.

>>3898820
We originally wanted to hybridize it with Bloody Ripper, but it seems that opportunity's gone out the window because of the level investment gap.
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>>3898831
that is true. Plus. Neurotic halo grants a level of protection against Neuromancy bullshit when we activated the halo's isolation mode to dispel Yurei's Neuromantic illusion.
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>>3898832
>We originally wanted to hybridize it with Bloody Ripper, but it seems that opportunity's gone out the window because of the level investment gap.
Plus, we got what we wanted out of that hybridization (using Bloody Ripper and the stacks at the same time) anyway, from Carnivorous Carver.
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>>3898830
>at a higher level
how do you know that? BHOP i dont thinks said anything about the Calcite Halo or that.

>>3898831
>>3898832
i dont think its worth the extra level spread, over boosting the Calcite Halo more.
plus, unneeded temptations leftover and all that.
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>>3898837
Well i certainly wont be tempted by it since we will have the Calcite halo so yeah you can stop trying to convince me to change that part of my vote.

I will stand firm on that. If it turns out that my position finds no other backing once it comes to a tally i wont be a stick in the mud and stubbornly refuse to change but right now i will stand where i have planted my flag
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>>3898837
>how do you know that? BHOP i dont thinks said anything about the Calcite Halo or that.
Because we can see its level one effects? No mention of an auto-counter. I don't think we've been told anything about "all Halos give auto-counters at level one" to the point it doesn't need to be said, we just know that the Calcite Halo gives one too given that Yurei used an auto-counter in the fight.
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>>3898805
>>3898802
>>3898776
>>3898773
>>3898772
CURRENT VOTES;
>(Carnivorous Carver)- 3 votes
>(Carnivorous Carver x2)- 1 votes
>(Sculptress of Flesh)- 4 votes
>(Palm of Creation)- 5 votes
>(Seasonal Oppression)- 2 votes
>(Artisanal Appetites)- 1 votes
>(CALCITE HALO x2)(1 level by reducing the Level of the Neurotic halo by 1)- 1 votes
>(Calcite Halo x3)(Replace and add in the 2 Neurotic Halo levels)- 1 votes
>(Kad Point, Elemental Digestion)- 2 votes
>(Kad Point, Carnivorous Carver)- 3 votes

Locked in Votes;
>Sculptress of Flesh
>Carnivorous Carver
>Palm of Creation
>Kad Point, Carnivorous Carver

1 POINTS REMAINING!

>My Vote Below
>Calcite Halo x3(Replace and add in the 2 Neurotic Halo levels)

like last time, repost remaining points votes here please.
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>>3898845
JULIA
>Calcite Halo x2 (recycle one level of Neurotic Halo)
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>>3898845
Calcite Halo x2(recycle 1 Level by reducing the Neurotic Halo by one Level)
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>>3898845
>(Calcite Halo x2)(1 level by reducing the Level of the Neurotic halo by 1)- 1 votes
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>>3898845
>Calcite Halo x2 (Recycle 1 point of Neurotic Halo)
So long Wifi, no more secret messages between lovers.
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>>3898845
>>3898846
>>3898847
>>3898848
>>3898850
CURRENT VOTES;
>(Calcite Halo x2)(Replace and add in 1 Neurotic Halo levels)- 4 votes
>(Calcite Halo x3)(Replace and add in the 2 Neurotic Halo levels)- 1 votes

Locked in Votes;
>Sculptress of Flesh
>Carnivorous Carver
>Palm of Creation
>(Calcite Halo x2)(Replace and add in 1 Neurotic Halo levels)
>Kad Point, Carnivorous Carver

NO POINTS REMAINING!

NEXT UP,
The bloody blur with a shockingly polite personality, the gentleman of the Crucible, DORIAN!

VOTING STARTS NOW!
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>>3898850
Dorian can still initiate contact so we dont really have to worry about that. otherwise they might need to learn sign language or Dorian gives her maybe an earpiece made form one of his paintlings that allows them to communicate with each other even over long distances.(maybe a relic they can boith wera an that will allow them to communicate via telepathy no matter the distance)
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>>3898853
DORIAN, 4 points;
>Red Death (2)
>Spring Heeled Jack
>Calcite Halo(4)(Replace and add in the 3 Neurotic Halo levels)
>Kad Point- Resplendent Thread
Red Death could use some love and is quite good.
I'm personally not planning to hybridize them, but for some reason i still want Spring and Charge to stay close to eachother in level, so thus catch Spring up.
he really doesn't need the Neurotic Halo, its just gonna sit there, lets replace it with one that a frontline fighter will actually use and level up.
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Dorian

>Kadath Point: Resplendant Thread
>Yuki-Onba's Lament
More Speed. Need MOAR
>Accumulating Charge
>Spring Heeled Jack x2
HYBRIDIZE Accumulating Charge and Spring Heeled Jack for LIQUID LIGHTNING! Make Dorian the fastest boi alive!
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>>3898853
DORIAN

KADATH: RESPLENDENT THREAD

>>EXALTED SAMSARA(bringing out a hexxane Ascendant will be a nasty surprise for nearly any enemy and i think Dorian can still make much use with this ability.. Of course depending on how expensive this will be to actually pull of)
RED DEATH x1(His HYbrid Core seems like it should still be buffed a little)
RESPLENDENT THREAD x2

Not maried to the Exalted Samsara bit. It jsut seems like it would be a waste not to take it wiht us. but i can understand the motive that speaks against it.

Not entirely sure what to do with Dorian to be honest
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>>3898853

Changing this vote: >>3898858

>Kadath Point: Resplendant Thread
>Yuki-Onba's Lament
>Spring Heeled Jack x2 Hybridize
>Accumulating Charge x1 Hybridize
Liquid Lightning Here we come!

>Calcite Halo x1 (Transfer 1 point of Verurteilung)

Verurteilung's collecting so much dust. What happened?
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>>3898858
Dorian reeeeally does NOT need Yuki/ long-term it will even slow his speeds growth down, by underleveling his existing speed ability. his core too, i think, gives some. he has more than enough ways to gain more speed.

>>3898860
same argument as before. Exalted doesnt fit the morality of our group. Dorian also has the least Dream Daughters, so either one isnt a good choice for him right now.
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>>3898864
yeah no im against hybridizing them. they're fine on their own, and he has so few abilities as it is. at least let them reach level 10.
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>>3898864
I'll second this vote.
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>>3898853
>Red Death x2
>Spring-Heeled Jack x1
>Calcite Halo x2 (recycle one level of Neurotic)
>Kadath: Resplendent Thread

Get Dorian up to the corruption point, see what sort of vampire he starts to turn into. Get Jack and Thread both up to the same level as Charge, not saying I want to hybridize them, just have all his secondary skills at par. And the Halo because it's some useful stuff. Dorian's one of our more fragile party members, he needs some beef. Or some bone, you know what I mean.
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>>3898853
Ammendign my vote from >>3898860
to
#DORIAN

KADATH: RESPLENDENT THREAD

SPRING HEELED JACK x1
RED DEATH x2(His Hybrid Core seems like it should still be buffed a little)
CALCITE HALO x2(recylce one level of teh Neurotic Halo)
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>>3898864

Changing my vote again. >>3898853
>Kadath Point: Resplendant Thread
>Spring heeled jack
>Accumulating Charge
>Red Death
>Calcite Halo x2 (Recycle 1 point of Verurteilung)
Why is Verurteilung being collecting dust?

>>3898868
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm changing my vote again.
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>>3898869
>>3898871
ill compromise on the Calcite Halo numbers i guess, unsure what im gonna toss though.

>>3898873
uninteresting, especially due to being on multiple people.
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>>3898875
gimme a second folks, i think we have a few things locked in, but all the sudden switching has basically scrapped my numbers count due to just how different things became.
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>>3898873
>>3898871
>>3898869
>>3898868
>>3898857
CURRENT VOTES;
>(Red Death)- 1 votes
>(Red Death x2)- 3 votes
>(Spring-Heeled Jack)- 4 votes
>(Accumulating Charge)- 1 votes
>(Hybridize Jack and Charge with 3 points)- 1 votes
>(Yuki-Onbas)- 1 votes
>(Calcite Halo x2) (recycle one level of Verteilung)- 1 votes
>(Calcite Halo x2) (recycle one level of Neurotic)- 3 votes
>(Kadath Point, Resplendent Thread)- 5 votes

Locked in Votes;
>Red Death x2
>Spring Heeled Jack
>Calcite Halo x2(recycle one level of Neurotic)
>Kadath Point, Resplendent Thread

NO POINTS REMAINING!

NEXT UP,
the hottest redhead around, the heat that never dwindles, RATH!

VOTING STARTS NOW!
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>>3898891
RATH, 4 points;
>Indignant Ignition
>Alabaster Endoskeleton (2)
>Calcite Halo(3)(Replace and add in the 2 Neurotic Halo levels)
>Kad Point- Erupting Grasp
Indignant is simple great, what else needs to be said.
HOWEVER, I want to level both Alabaster and replace the Neuro halo with the Calcite one. Rath is a powerhouse, but she actually suffers greatly in the defense department, and we should focus on fixing that drastically.
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>>3898891

Rath:
>Knowable Kadath: Erupting Grasp

>Rimewind's Howl
Gotta Augment Rath's Frost Bomb attacks and give her Cold Immunity, make her Frost mode even stronger.
Fire and ice.
>Unrelenting Cold
>Alabaster Endoskeleton
>Calcite Halo x2 (Recycle 1 level of Neurotic halo with the Engine)
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>>3898891

Rath:
>Indignant Ignition
>Rimewind’s Howl
>Forgemistress’ Fingers
>Calcite Halo(3)(Replace and add in the 2 Neurotic Halo levels)

>Knowable Kadath: Alabaster Endoskeleton

Her Core is awesome, and we should make it more awesome.
Rimewind's Howl will go perfectly with her cold abilities, and Forgemistress' Fingers can always use a boost to help her relic-making abilities.

Finally, the Calcite Halo will work much better for her than the Neurotic Halo. Plus, I really want to see what happens if we hybridize it with Alabaster Endoskeleton at higher levels.
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>>3898891

RATH

KADATH: ERUPTING GRASP

>>RIMEWIND’S HOWL she can make a lot of use of this after switiching her augments around a bit
>>CALCITE HALO x2(completely recycled form her other halo.. she really has no use for that one aside form the autocounter. if we ever figure we need it we can jsut give her a new Neurotic Halo)
ALABASTER ENDOSKELETON x2
INDIGNANT IGNITION
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>>3898892
With the Calcite Halo she'll actually be immune to physical damage when in Ignition mode, that should help. Two levels of resistance is immunity, it gives one level to each physical damage type (pierce, slash, blunt) and Ignition also gives one level each. So Ignited Rath will require elemental damage to even scratch, barring immunity-ignoring powers.
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>>3898901
ok, now i KNOW Endoskeleton did no come from Niku, Hera, or Silvis.
>>
(Gentlemen, I shall be heading to bed to get an early start on everything tomorrow. I wish you all the best, and I hope you get some good rest when you can. I'll address any questions linked to this post in the morning.)
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>>3898908
She will also be immune to cold and fire so only few elements that dont have piercing abilites re gonna be able to hurt her
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>>3898914
Good Night OP

I think i will head out to grab some sleep after the Rath vote... At least try to pretend to be a normal human with a normal sleep schedule
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>>3898901
EndoSkeleton came from Johanna, and Johanna's taking up residence inside Shu. Rath only has Niku and Silvis.

>>3898915
>>3898908
The only weakness that Rath might have then would be Neuromantic bullshit, Phantasmal Conduit Shenanigans, Humoral Paladin Bloody antics, and Flesh Shaping workarounds. If we kept the Neurotic Halo, then Rath would have some resistance against Neuromancy.
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>>3898904
>>3898901
>>3898900
i really dont see Rimewinds as worth it at all. Cold is simply too much of a secondary for her, a backup, and im pretty sure she already has some cold immunity, and can get that other ways.
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>>3898913
I think it came from Johanna, if I'm remembering right. And she's in Shu.

>>3898915
Yep. Acid or electricity (both of which she's at least resistant to) and radiant will be the only damage types she'll be weak to. And then the Calcite Halo can give her immunity to one of those, at a minimum. Level up Alabaster Endoskeleton some more, get the momentum-eating effect from Unrelenting Cold, she'll be terrifying.

>>3898914
Good night, BHOP. See you tomorrow. Get some sleep, friend.
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>>3898917
but only Gina is left!

>>3898923
i think so, but, thus, not in Rath for her to draw upon.
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>>3898921
Rath does not, in fact, have any cold resistance. It's not a weakness, exactly, she doesn't take extra damage from it, but if she's resistant to everything else it functionally is.
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>>3898927
hrm, could've sworn she did.
regardless, i really dont see Rime as worth it. if we run into a deadly cold user, the Calcite Halo will stop it anyways.
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>>3898913
>>3898920
My bad, it slipped my mind. In that case, I'll swap Forgemistress' Fingers and Alabaster Endoskeleton, as the former came from Niku, and that way my vote will have the same effect.
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>>3898914
Have a great sleep BHOP, thanks again!
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>>3898933
it really wont though, but ok.
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>>3898923
>Rath as a pint-sized flaming Juggernaut that burns HOT and COLD at the same time.
The temperature differential sensation would be utter hell. One on hand, ABSOLUTE ZERO temperatures, On the other hand, HOTTER THAN THE SUN. And you're experiencing both extremes.
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>>3898920
If we ever suspect we will be heading towards something like that we can give her two levels of the Neurmonatic Halo

>>3898921
And then we fight somethign that is absorbing fire damage and her damage output will go way down.

Also those two levels of resistance will be useful for her for anything that is not capable of penetrating her immunity. it will leave her with few weaknesses adn the Halo will helpo cover those weaknesses even further

>>3898925
Yeah i know and i will trust you all to make her a good Level UP. I would like to get about three hours of naptime in during the night. I have been awake for roughly 23 hours now so i would like to get some more naptime in.

But i can hear Boss Buzz calling me to go to bed soemtime soon or he will come to drag me there
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>>3898939
well, ok, night then.
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>>3898942
i will head to bed AFTER the Rath vote but thanks anyway
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>>3898927
not rushing, but your the last one. but a few things are locked down regardless of your vote, if you would prefer to see that first anyhow.
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>>3898938
And then she starts getting bigger, because Unrelenting Cold has Flesh Artisan properties and she should eventually get the Kinetic Remnant's ability to grow by absorbing momentum. And then you really piss her off and she activates the Calcite Halo's [SIEGE FORM: ARUNASURA] and turns into a giant six-armed bone-armored monster. Which is still growing bigger.
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>>3898949
>Pint sized girl who can go full ULTRAMAN KAIJU TIME, that burns hot and cold at the same time.
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>>3898945
Yeah, sorry, I keep getting distracted talking about voting options instead of actually voting. I'm certain on some points, but still got one left after everything I know I want to put into right now. Maybe swap the Indignant Ignition to purchase normally, and have the Kadath be Forgemistress' Fingers?

>>3898891
>Rimewind's Howl
>Alabaster Endoskeleton x1
>Calcite Halo x2 (recycle one level of Neurotic Halo)
>Kadath: Indignant Ignition
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>>3898950
The entire party is going to be terrifying, come endgame. But Rath will be a very primal sort of terrifying.
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>>3898961
At the end of this she is gonna be a goddamn Mvatar Master of all the elements and capable off unleashing absolutely terrifying amounts of fuck you in th egeneral direction of anything that looks even slightly funny at her or her family
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>>3898957
>>3898904
>>3898901
>>3898900
>>3898892
CURRENT VOTES;
>(Indignant Ignition)- 3 votes
>(Alabaster Endoskeleton)- 3 votes
>(Alabaster Endoskeleton x2)- 2 votes
>(Unrelenting Cold)- 1 votes
>(Rimewinds Howl)- 4 votes
>(Calcite Halo x2)(Replace and add in 2 Neurotic Halo levels)- 1 votes
>(Calcite Halo x2)(Replace and add in 1 Neurotic Halo levels)- 2 votes
>(Calcite Halo x3)(Replace and add in the 2 Neurotic Halo levels)- 2 votes
>(Kad Point, Erupting Grasp)- 3 votes
>(Kad Point, Forgemistress Fingers)- 1 votes
>(Kad Point, Indignant Ignition)- 1 votes

Locked in Votes;
>Indignant Ignition
>Alabaster Endoskeleton
>Rimewinds Howl
>Kad Point, Erupting Grasp

1 POINTS REMAINING!

As Before, as Now, please link remaining points votes here!

>My Vote Below

>Alabaster Endoskeleton +1
>Calcite Halo x2(Replace and add in the 2 Neurotic Halo levels)
c'mon guys, lets turn the poor girl we constantly get beaten into a pulp into the proper tank we treat her as.
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>>3898957
You're missing one point since you're recycling one point from Neurotic Halo to fuel an extra point in Calcite halo.
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>>3898965
>>Calcite Halo x2(Replace and add in the 2 Neurotic Halo levels)
>Alabaster Endoskeleton x1
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>>3898965
>Alabaster Endo Skeleton
>Calcite Halo x1 (Recycle One point from Neurotic Halo)
Keeping that Neurotic Halo open so Rath can keep her spatial awareness as well as keep Rath's Championship belt as her visual flare.
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>>3898970
I'll support this vote.
>>
Well good night anons i will try and catch some sleep now

I trust that you will make this entire thing something Boss Buzz will be proud of
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>>3898979
Have a good sleep, we'll make Boss Buzz proud!
... Because he'll have us drowned in honey if we don't.
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>>3898965
>Calcite Halo x2 (recycle one level of Neurotic)
I'm going to gamble that an extra level of Calcite will offer more defense than an extra level of Alabaster would.

Although, given how they work, shouldn't Alabaster Endoskeleton get absorbed into Calcite Halo? They're both subdermal networks of Calcite sheets. Can you get Augments for Halo skills?
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>>3898988
well hopefully Orange Anon is still around because you did nothing to break the tie.
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>>3898988
also, with that logic, Ginas core should've gotten gobbled up by the Neuro Halo. Halos are their own class technically, i think.
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>>3898995
>>3898988
(Halos are their own class of ability, yes.)

(Going to sleep, for real this time.)
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>>3898995
Yeah, but Neurotic Halo does something different from what Amethyst Jack does. Calcite Halo is much more similar to Alabaster Endoskeleton. But maybe they're just different enough to not overlap. I would prefer that.
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>>3898935
you still around my man?
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>>3899014
In case orange isn't around to break the tie, what's the next course of action?
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>>3899016
everyone at least WANTS the Calcite Halo, so in a few minutes if he doesn't show up, ill do the compromise necessary to at least gain 1 Halo level.
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>>3899016
I'll change my vote if it hasn't been broken by midnight.
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>>3899019
shouldn't be necessary, or well, i think any vote change you do will result in the same thing, unless you scrap the Neuro Halo, which im sure you wont.
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>>3899022
Not completely, no. I'll take it down to level one, but keep it there until we get a confirmed counter from the Calcite.
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>>3898965
Okay, change >>3898988
to support >>3898970
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>>3899027
>>3898970
>>3898978
>>3898969
>>3898965
CURRENT VOTES;
>(Alabaster Endoskeleton +1)- 4 votes
>(Calcite Halo)(Replace and add in 1 Neurotic Halo levels)- 2 votes
>>(Calcite Halo x2)(Replace and add in 1 Neurotic Halo levels)- 1 votes
>(Calcite Halo x2)(Replace and add in 2 Neurotic Halo levels)- 2 votes

Locked in Votes;
>Indignant Ignition
>Alabaster Endoskeleton x2
>Rimewinds Howl
>Calcite Halo(Replace and add in 1 Neurotic Halo levels)
>Kad Point, Erupting Grasp

NO POINTS REMAINING!

NEXT UP,
the girl whos into it all, the one who beat death itself, our Defiants well equipped girlfriend, GINA!

VOTING STARTS NOW!
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>>3899031
My Vote;

GINA, 4 points;
>Neon Ascendant (2)
>Gladiatorial Swarm
>Nervous Torrent
>Kad Point- Alabaster Perfectionist
Neon because its wicked good.
Gladiatorial to get her a bit more of a defense boost, and hopefully more of a mobility one too.
Nervous Torrent was actually pretty good and I want to see where it leads.
and Alabaster as i want to see where it leads too.
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>>3899031
Okay, firstly, I'd like to remind everyone that according to post #3865759 in Vein 32
>(You're quite correct in that Kadath can level the component skills of Hybrids, and is actually one of the reasons for Kadath's creation.)

Meaning that we can still raise Neurotic Halo's level on Gina, since she got that from Meg, despite it being incorporated into Neon Ascendant. So I'm voting for that, since it being capped at ten on her is kind of disappointing given its potential max power, so getting around the cap is nice.

GINA
>Neon Ascendant x1
>Gladiatorial Swarm x1
>Alabaster Perfectionist x1
>Nervous Torrent x1
>Kadath: Neurotic Halo

Also, while I'm not voting for it, I am curious as to what the synergy between Neon Ascendant and Luohan's Hands would be. Neon Ascendant lets Gina use Neuromancy through her eyesight, Luohan's Hands is Neuromantic kung-fu, would that let Gina use it at range? Probably not, but it's an amusing image. Just shooting karate chop lasers out of her eyes.
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>>3899031
>Exalted Samsara
I just want to see Gina fight with the Dream Daughters by her side, and Exalted Samsara can give Gina the breathing room needed for her to do Neuromancy Bullshit without interruption. Besides, She's got some good fighters that can support her (Bella, Kosi, Meg). Kosi's ability to restore other people's bio reserves would help tremendously if Kosi's out on the field. We've seen how well her abilities work, so Gina would definitely benefit from Exalted Samsara.

>Nervous Torrent
>Neon Ascendant
>Gladatorial Swarm
>Kadath Point: Alabaster Perfectionist.
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>>3899036
i know we can, i still dont think its better than continuing to level her other kit. she has more than enough Neuromancy for now.

>>3899037
how many times do i have to repeat Exalted goes against our teams morals and should not be taken. we already have a dream daughter ability to give people, if you are THAT adamant about doing it.
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>>3899037
I'm willing to support this vote. When used for our own Dream Daughters and no one else's, it's no different from Spiritus Ex Testa.
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>>3899041
>i know we can, i still dont think its better than continuing to level her other kit. she has more than enough Neuromancy for now.
Yeah, and we can put all our other points into the rest of that kit. Kadath is the only way we have to keep raising Neurotic Halo, without making it more expensive than anyone is willing to deal with because we'd have to get ten points free so that we can hybridize the skill again at a higher level. I think that's a good trade-off.
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>>3899044
>>3899036
gimme a moment, but id like to try and compromise with you to prevent Exalted Samsa from being taken, if its possible that is.with 4 people only it might be difficult.
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>>3899041
>it simply goes against our entire moral standing as a group.
>Exalted goes against our teams morals and should not be taken.
Umm...You didn't really explain the "moral code" of our family. Is this about the "freedom of choice" thing? How does Exalted Samsara trip your moral line?
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>>3899046
It exerts control over the Dream Daughters used by the skill. Denying them their personhood, treating them as tools. This isn't necessarily a deal-breaker, after all we have several literal tools that are also people, so we've established that it's okay if they consent to it. It's still toeing close to the line, though, and it is both somewhat uncomfortable and potential bad PR as a result.
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>>3899046
Exalted was specifically shown and said to force other peoples daughters out and turn them into puppets, while Spiritus does not even have that ability, from what BHOP said. Exalted is about enslaving dream Daughters, Spiritus is about giving them the choice to fight next to you.

>>3899045
well, damn, best i could do is make the Kad vote tied. ill do it though, in exchange for you not compromising to take Exalted.
with only 4 people i think this might be impossible.

Neon, Swarm, and Torrent would all so far get locked down, leaving 1 normal point left.
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>>3899051
Ah...Now I understand. Alright. I'll compromise and change the vote for Exalted Samsara.
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>>3899037
>>3899031
Changing vote
>Kadath Point: Neurotic Halo
Gotta make the Halo more useful.
>Nervous Torrent
>Neon Ascendant
>Gladatorial Swarm
>Alabaster Perfectionist
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>>3899056
>>3899036
>>3899032
>>3899043
CURRENT VOTES;
>(Neon Ascendant)- 3 votes
>(Gladiatorial Swarm)- 4 votes
>(Alabaster Perfectionist)- 3 votes
>(Nervous Torrent)- 4 votes
>(Exalted Samsara)- 1 votes
>(Kad Point, Alabaster Perfectionist)- 1 votes
>(Kad Point, Neurotic Halo)- 3 votes

Locked in Votes;
>Neon Ascendant
>Alabaster Perfectionist
>Gladiatorial Swarm
>Nervous Torrent
>Kad Point, Neurotic Halo

NO POINTS REMAINING!

NEXT UP,
the mechanical beauty, the aunt of puns, NOVEMBER!
i had no choice she held a gun to my head, send help.

NO POINTS REMAINING!

VOTING OVER!

Not gonna be fun finding a proper and clean way to do that Halo level though.
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>>3899060
We did it! Great job as usual, everybody!
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>>3898366
>>3898367
FINAL VOTE TALLY;

SHU, 4 points;
>Trypohilic Hive
>Spiritus Ex Testa x2
>Dominus Bloodline
>Kad Point, Ravenous Maw

FRANCINE, 6 points;
>Creations Strings x2
>Primordial School
>Unyielding Spirit
>Luohans Hands
>Calcite Halo
>Kad Point, Hand of the Queen

AMARA, 4 points;
>Joyous Many
>Oxygenic Artillery
>Queen Crimson
>Hunters Honor
>Kad Point, Hunters Honor

JULIA, 4 points;
>Sculptress of Flesh
>Carnivorous Carver
>Palm of Creation
>(Calcite Halo x2)(Replace and add in 1 Neurotic Halo levels)
>Kad Point, Carnivorous Carver

DORIAN, 4 points;
>Red Death x2
>Spring Heeled Jack
>Calcite Halo x2(recycle one level of Neurotic)
>Kadath Point, Resplendent Thread

RATH, 4 points;
>Indignant Ignition
>Alabaster Endoskeleton x2
>Rimewinds Howl
>Calcite Halo(Replace and add in 1 Neurotic Halo levels)
>Kad Point, Erupting Grasp

GINA, 4 points;
>Neon Ascendant
>Alabaster Perfectionist
>Gladiatorial Swarm
>Nervous Torrent
>Kad Point, Neurotic Halo


well, i feel like at least our methods of doing this have improved tremendously. much less talk and discussion, but the choices from Yurei were smaller and i think we've gotten to the point most agree to focus heavily on what we already have, so both of those things probably helped tremendously.

i... am going to BED. its like, right next to me. its cold, im tired, and im pretty sure im hearing it call to me. besides, ive got to next update the sheets come tomorrow, so, theres that too. see you all at like 11am CST!
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>>3899060
Maybe list it as [KADATH] after the number for all the levels we break the cap using that, making it clear that it's something out of the usual rules? So looking at the list you'd see lvl.10 [MAX], then lvl.11 [KADATH], lvl.12 [KADATH], etc., and so understand a distinction intuitively.
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>>3899061
Looks like it took 4.5 hours of voting time.

>>3899064
Goodnight, and happy spooky skeleton night!
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>>3899067
that could work.
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>>3899064
Yeah, it's 12:30 for me, I should be going to bed too. Good night, anons. Glad we sorted this one out pretty fast. Yeah, we had a lot fewer points per party member than we often have, but still. We were only at it five hours, that's a new record, I think. Later.
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Well i am up and about and soont off to school. Have a good night one and all anons

>>3899064
Good Night Anon

You did a good job moderating and counting all the votes
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>you have to admit that the world's rapidly-escalating recognition of you is somewhat flattering...and deeply concerning, particularly where Francine is involved. The nature of her plan depended on secrecy, so the fact that her position at your side may be compromised may have just turned what should have been a stealth mission into a siege.

I think...I think this is one aspect of our fight against Yurei that Francine may be displeased about.


>The pale girl's eyes widen as she licks her lips, and you need no further answer before you sweep up Gina's empty wine glass as well, shuffling past Rath and Rosa's resumed conversation on the way to the some refills. Two artfully crafted Bee's Knees later (if you do say so yourself), you're pouring GG a fresh glass of wine when you hear a low, angry voice suddenly raise then lower in the Forgeroom. Tilting the bottle back, you watch as November emerges with what could almost be described as a forlorn look about her, the Etain's shoulders slumped in a despondent fashion. November glances about the room for a moment before meeting your eyes, and she gives you a small, sharp nod before she proceeds to Rath's room and closes the door behind her. For a long moment there's silence from the Forge, but then it steadily resumes, Francine's unseen efforts continuing on despite the results of whatever discussion you were the sole witness to.

Also, I have a sneaking feeling that Francine and November had another Argument that was similar to how Francine threw a fit and had November exiled for November's own good. Rath's Aunt must've approached Francine at a bad time or asked something that Francine was very unwilling to do considering that we felt Francine feeling Frustrated yet town between two lines of thought.
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>>3896261
>“Tastes, smells, colors…they all blended, before the Crucible.” Sugar explains, the first lengthy and coherent sentence she’s uttered since you met her.
Sugar's got Synthesia. No wonder she can taste the literal rainbow.
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(Just throwing this out there; I've been looking forward to unveiling some of these abilities for some time, if only to see what you'll do with them. I'm putting the finishing touches on them now, Gentlemen.)
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Yes....
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>>3899408
looking forward to it myself.
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>>3899420
>Dat bumblebee.
Too adorable. I wonder if we can dress Amara's FuzzGuardian up like that?
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>>3899489
i dont think hes humanoid enough for that, though seeing a bee try to waddle around in that outfit would be hilarious.
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>>3899499

and adorable
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>>3899408
>*Wakes up from long nap after spending quite a bit of time in school slowly losing my mind out of sheer boredom*

>"This one Messaged makes it all worth it"
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>Fuck up and get lab partners to split off from my assignment because I took too much time to get my part done because of a migraine. Grades will be fine but I feel like shit and that I let them down.
>Also talk imouto a little bit out of the depressive funk she is currently in.
>Youwinsomeyoulosesome.skinternet

Good morning, everyone.
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SHU - LEVEL UP

>>TRYPOPHILIC HIVE (Lvl 11): As the mistress sacrifices to grant life to her subjects, so too do the subjects return in kind. Each Swarmling you have active now grants you an additional 5% BIO REGEN on top of your current amount. Additionally, at the start of combat your Hive now automatically jumps to your aid, allowing you to craft up two five Swarmlings of any type at no cost, a reactive measure that does not spend any ‘first crafting’ discounts you have access to. Finally, in accord with these new boons your swarmling maximum has been increased by an additional five slots, for a new unaugmented maximum of 35. (BIO +60%)

>>DOMINUS BLOODLINE (Lvl 2): Daughters, Amalgams...now Constructs are added to the list of acceptable targets that your DOMINUS may attune to. Allied constructs that have been spawned by you now not only gain REGEN when tethered to, but they also automatically trigger their REGEN when struck by your foes' attacks, allowing them to bounce back from blows that would have felled them otherwise. Constructs summoned by your allies may also be tethered to as well, but the healing they receive from the basic boost and the counter-activation is halved. (HEALTH +60%, HEALTH REGEN +20%)

>>SPIRITUS EX TESTA (Lvl 2): Lepisma's ability is one molded out of concern for those she held dear, a fact that only becomes more apparent as it grows in power. When crafting a Shell, you may imbue your Dream Daughter's future body with one level of resistance to any element of your choice. Additionally, you may choose another level of resistance to grant of a different damage type, though in order to grant this extra resistance you must also select a damage type for the Shell to be weak against, in turn. (BIO +50%, BIO REGEN +10%)

>>SPIRITUS EX TESTA (Lvl 3): A vanguard is meant to be a first responder to danger, and the constructs painstaking crafted by the user of this ability are no different. The user of the Shell now gains a tremendous speed boost on the first turn of combat, in addition to a passive bonus that lasts for the duration of combat granted to any actions taken to defend the one that crafted their Shell body. (BIO +50%, BIO REGEN +10%)

>>RAVENOUS MAW (Lvl 7): Blood begets blood, and one's appetite only deepens when whetted with scarlet. Attacks with Ravenous Maw now deal successively more damage to foes that fall under 75%, 50%, and 25% HEALTH, with the sequential damage boosts allowing you to bring a swift end to those that would oppose you. Additionally, your second tongue's prehensile dexterity is now second nature, so once per turn and at no cost to you, you may use any of your tongue's movement abilities. (HEALTH +50%)

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FRANCINE - LEVEL UP

>>CREATION'S STRINGS (Lvl 6): In a curious turn of ability, Francine may now forcibly trade places with her tethered target at a cost of 100% BIO and 1 ACT, allowing her to quickly maneuver around the battlefield or force herself into a more advantageous position...or her foe into an unfortunate one. Additionally, the rate at which Francine siphons resources from her targets has increased, and she now siphons a quarter more HEALTH from her foe at any distance. (BIO +40%)

>>CREATION'S STRINGS (Lvl 7): A life for a life, until the whole world's saved. Francine now possesses the ability to revive an ally and allow them to jump back in to the fight at the cost of 1 ACT and the transfer of 90% of Francine's current HEALTH and 100% of her current BIO, which is summarily donated to the target of this ability. However, while this power may normally only be used once per combat, if Francine brings an Amalgam or Daughter to death's door using her Core siphoning ability then her ability to revive an ally is restored. (BIO +30%)

>>PRIMORDIAL SCHOOL (Lvl 4): Finding a school of fish to merely be the tip of the iceberg of what lurks in the depths of this bizarre power, Francine may now spend 60% BIO to summon a grotesque, eel-like Phoebodus shark to her aid. Boasting curiously jagged teeth, wounds inflicted by the deceptively quick predator reduce the target's HEALTH & BIO REGEN by one-fifth for the duration of the turn the damage was inflicted. Additionally, the Phoebodus construct's unique biology renders it quite immune to any attempts to stun or restrain it, allowing it to freely wreak havoc on the battlefield at its master's behest. (HEALTH +40%)

>>HAND OF THE QUEEN (Lvl 5): The sight of the new and bizarre is more than enough to spark one's curiosity, as Francine now automatically applies between 1-3 stacks of CURIOSITY to the strongest foe present at the start of combat. Additionally, the chances of her applying additional CURIOSITY stacks increases by 2% for each stack currently active on a given foe as Francine's burgeoning interest in the inner workings of those that would oppose you rapidly escalates into the fervor she so fears. (BIO +20%)

>>UNYIELDING SPIRIT (Vitruvian – Yurei’s Core, Lvl 1) - (HEALTH +360%, BIO +260%, HEALTH REGEN +60%)

>>LUOHAN’S HANDS (Flesh Artisan/Fibromancer/Neuromancer Hybrid, Lvl 1) - (HEALTH +360%, BIO +180%)

>>CALCITE HALO (Hexane, Lvl 1) - (HEALTH +300%, HEALTH REGEN +100%)

(Continued)
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AMARA - LEVEL UP

>>JOYOUS MANY (Lvl 7): In an involuntary reaction against those that would deal their creator harm, Amara now automatically spawns up to one instance of Joyous Many for free the first time she takes damage each turn. Additionally, Amara may now prime an auto-revive, allowing her to remain at 1% HEALTH and ignore any further damage for the rest of the turn at the cost of sacrificing all currently active Joyous, regardless of their position in the world. A power she'd much rather not have to use, but one that can easily mean the difference between your victory and defeat at the end of all things.(HEALTH +30%, HEALTH REGEN +20%)

>>OXYGENIC ARTILLERY (Lvl 3): To some, the Artillery’s devastating recoil is a drawback…to other’s it’s a boon. Oxygenic Artillery’s devastating blasts have their damage increased by 25% and now allow the user to propel themselves with incredible force up to one movement zone away from their current location, with the added bonus of doing considerable BLUNT damage to those unfortunate enough to be in the way of the user’s haphazard trajectory. (BIO +40%)

>>QUEEN CRIMSON Lvl 6): This bizarre power's anti-projectile capabilities receive a significant boost, with the maximum range of projectile deflection increased to a medium range radius around Amara, and the maximum number of projectiles able to be returned increased to five. Additionally, the Crimson's growing ability to discern between projectiles fired by friend and foe now grants a damage and CRITICAL CHANCE boost to all projectile attacks fired by Amara or her allies within medium range, regardless of the elemental type. (BIO REGEN +20%)

>>HUNTER'S HONOR (Lvl 4): In the study of dealing swift ends, it’s only natural that one would learn how to skirt lethal strikes in the process. Critical hits that Amara suffers now deal 25% less damage, and the chance of limb-severing attempts against Amara have their efficacy reduced by an equal amount. (HEALTH +40%, BIO +30%)

>>HUNTER'S HONOR (Lvl 5): Peerless blades can only reach their zenith in the hands of a peerless wielder... and Amara’s been working tirelessly to reach Cheruem’s level of skill with their trademark weapon. Hunter’ Honor now ignores one level of slashing resistance when dealing damage to targets, while critical hits ignore two levels. (HEALTH +40%, BIO +30%)

(Continued)
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JULIA – LEVEL UP

>>SCULPTRESS OF FLESH (Lvl 10): Julia’s skill at molding the flesh of her family’s foes only grows, as she is now guaranteed to apply at least one stack of Malleable Flesh per turn, even against foes that would otherwise be resistant or outright immune to stack accumulation. Additionally, Julia’s melee strikes have been honed to the point where they automatically take priority against the physical attacks of her foes, ensuring that Julia will hit first when she clashes with her enemies in close range. Finally, your kind artist’s STACK maximum has been increased by 2, to a new maximum of 15. (BIO REGEN +10%)

>>CARNIVOROUS CARVER (Lvl 4): Fully capable of carving a bloody swathe through the battlefield, Julia now finds her ability to draw blood via tooth and nail to be growing into a unparalleled weapon of warfare. Where it used to take a critical hit to draw forth that sweet, sticky ichor of life, now regular melee strikes dealt by Julia have a high chance to open bleeding wounds, suppressing her foe’s HEALTH REGEN for each wound open, ensuring that Julia speeds them to a gruesome end…she’s got a pot on the stove she can’t keep waiting, after all. (HEALTH +50%, BIO +50%, HEALTH REGEN +20%)

>>CARNIVOROUS CARVER (Lvl 5): Her fur now gaining a darker hue, as though matted with blood, Julia also finds her eyes to resemble those of a bloodthirsty predator as opposed to a meek hostess. In addition to Julia’s newfound ability to see perfectly in the dark, she now actively siphons blood from any and all open wounds across the battlefield suffered by friends as foes alike. However, instead of serving to bolster her own regeneration, this siphoning instead begins to rapidly accumulate a crystallized layer of blood on Julia’s skin, fur, and talons, granting her a steadily accumulating 5% boost to attack and defense per each would siphoned, with subsequent turns ensuring that the bonus stacks rapidly. (HEALTH +60%, BIO +50%, HEALTH REGEN +30%)

>>CALCITE HALO (Hexane, Lvl 1) - (HEALTH +200%, HEALTH REGEN +100%)

>>CALCITE HALO (Lvl 2): Reduction of defense is a cornerstone of Crucible combat, allowing clever Daughters to whittle down their foe until victory is inevitable. In response, the Calcite Halo’s been specifically designed to curb any efforts that would serve to weaken the defenses of the holder, vexing attempts to reduce Julia’s defenses or make her more vulnerable to a given status effects. Additionally, any defensive boosts that Julia accumulates during the course of ability activation via ability activation during the course of combat that would that would normally fade at the end of the turn now instead is merely reduced to one-third of its amount, allowing previously ephemeral defensive bonuses to carry over to other turns. OF CREATION (Flesh Artisan Augmentation) - (HEALTH +260%, HEALTH REGEN +40%)

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DORIAN – LEVEL UP

>>RED DEATH (Lvl 9): The chance of Dorian applying stacks of TERROR to foes previously suffering from FEAR increases by an 10%. Also, Dorian now gains a small, stacking bonus to his Formes every time he shifts in combat, slowly increasing the efficacy of each Forme he has access to over the course of the duel. (HEALTH REGEN +60%, BIO REGEN +30%)

>>RED DEATH (Lvl 10): Nerves, fear, horror, then…nothing. Just when Dorian’s foes may think they’re safe from his supernatural terror, they’re proven dead wrong. Now, as a free action, Dorian may instantly close the gap between himself and a foe that is suffering at least one stack of FEAR, with this free movement activating any bonuses her may have for movement as per usual. Additionally, any foe that is brought to death’s door by this ability will then lose any stacks of FEAR or TERROR they had upon death, with said stacks being redistributed to any other foes within line of sight and allowing this free movement to be used again. (HEALTH REGEN +100%, BIO REGEN +50%)

>>SPRING-HEELED JACK (Lvl 4): There has to be a way…to slow him, to stop him, to bring him to a halt…at these desperate thoughts, Dorian merely smiles. Dorian now gains a boost of speed and initiative when he would encounter effects that would slow him in combat, reversing the effects proportionate to the attempt to subdue him. Additionally, any attempt to STUN Dorian now grants him an additional and temporary ACT, instead. (HEALTH +50%)

>>RESPLENDENT THREAD (Lvl 4): Silvis was a sly, charismatic Hexane…and perhaps nowhere was their wit highlighted more than in combat. Dorian’s started to pick up the roguish Hexane’s old tricks, now boasting the ability to tether himself to a single friend, foe, or given location with Resplendent Thread at a cost of 50% BIO and a free action. Dorian may choose at any point after tethering to instantly retract himself to the target, flinging himself to them at high speed and granting him yet another option for speeding across the battlefield with Gentlemanly abandon. (HEALTH +40%, BIO +20%)

>>CALCITE HALO (Hexane, Lvl 1) - (HEALTH +200%, HEALTH REGEN +100%)

>>CALCITE HALO (Lvl 2): Reduction of defense is a cornerstone of Crucible combat, allowing Daughters to whittle down their foe until victory is inevitable. The Calcite Halo’s been specifically designed to curb any efforts that would weaken the defenses of the holder, vexing any attempts to reduce Dorian's defenses or make him more vulnerable to a given status effects. Additionally, any defensive boosts that Dorian accumulates during the course of ability activation via ability activation during the course of combat that would that would normally fade at the end of the turn now instead is merely reduced to one-third of its amount, allowing previously ephemeral defensive bonuses to carry over to other turns. OF CREATION (Flesh Artisan Augmentation) - (HEALTH +260%, HEALTH REGEN +40%)

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RATH – LEVEL UP

>>INDIGNANT IGNITION (Lvl 5): Rath’s skin roils with an ever-present undercurrent of molten fury, her very eyes now constantly alight, lit from within by a burning passion for her family, old and new. Given that her body now blurs the line between the Daughter and the attacks the manifests, it’s only natural that she may now instantly teleport to any active instance of Radiant Boil at the end of its thrown arc, consuming the projectile and allowing her to continue her relentless barrage unhindered. Additionally, activating IGNITION for the first time in combat now produces an annihilating burst of flame around Rath, instantly incinerating all terraformed ground around her, causing a chain reaction of explosions directly proportional to the strength and size of the ground consumed in the conflagration. (HEALTH +100%, BIO +50%, HEALTH REGEN +30%)

>>ALABASTER ENDOSKELETON (Lvl 4): The subdermal plating’s defensive matrix grows ever more potent, now redirecting an additional 10% of HEALTH damage to BIO, for a total of 35% redirection. Additionally, the Endoskeleton now actively assists the defensive boosts that Rath receives from other sources, granting an additional 5% of damage mitigation for each other active instance of defensive boosts Rath benefits from. (HEALTH +40%)

>>ALABASTER ENDOSKELETON (Lvl 5): Rath’s Endoskeleton has grown to the point that it’s now a bit more insistent in dissuading repeated attacks in the same turn, now doubling the power of its offensive retaliations with each subsequent blow suffered. (HEALTH +50%)

>>ERUPTING GRASP (Lvl 3): By far Rath’s most puzzling and oft-forgotten tool in her ever-growing arsenal, Erupting Grasp’s most recent increase in power now allows Rath to pour 150% BIO into a single, devastating strike that boasts the unique ability to temporarily disable any active Relics the target is in possession of, rendering worn Relics briefly useless and opening the wearer up to powerful follow-up attacks. (HEALTH +60%, BIO +30%, HEALTH REGEN +10%)

>>CALCITE HALO (Hexane, Lvl 1) - (HEALTH +200%, HEALTH REGEN +100%)

>>RIMEWIND’S HOWL (Generator Augmentation) - (BIO +100%, BIO REGEN +50%)

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GINA – LEVEL UP

>>NEON ASCENDANT (Lvl 3): In a grim-yet-necessary act of puppeteering, Gina may now reach out and commandeer the unconscious forms of her allies that are currently making Death Saving Throws, either to steer them to relative safety or enact revenge against those that would harm her family. While Gina is commanding them, any of the ally’s abilities (including Dual Techs) may be activated by spending Gina’s own HEALTH, BIO, and/or ACTs in lieu of their own. Additionally, this tether allows Gina to absorb the damage that would have been dealt to her downed allies while tethered, negating the forced Death Saving Throw in exchange for Gina taking 50% more damage from the attacks in question…a manifestation of Gina’s unrelenting will to keep her family alive and well, at all costs. (BIO +40%, BIO REGEN +20%)

>>ALABASTER PERFECTIONIST (Lvl 3): Gina’s skates now approach a more perfect and elegant form, allowing both the skates and Gina’s summoned blade to double their range and strike foes that would otherwise be out of reach. Additionally, if Gina would miss a melee strike at close range, she may automatically turn that miss into a hit, at somewhat lessened power. (HEALTH +40%, BIO +30%)

>>GLADATORIAL SWARM (Lvl 4): A curiously subversive ability for an otherwise straightforward power, when traveling underground the swarm now actively splits off from the user, automatically generating a chubby worm that’s left behind in each movement zone passed through while submerged. These grubs serve a dual purpose as both distraction and depth charge, vibrating insistently to confuse foes with Tremorsense and violently assaulting any foolish enough to attempt offensive action against them, either intentionally or accidentally. (HEALTH +40%, BIO +30%, HEALTH REGEN +10%)

>>NERVOUS TORRENT (Lvl 3): Turning an aimless flood into a focused weapon, this ability’s unfortunate user may expend an additional 20% BIO when exuding an instance of Nervous Torrent to focus the blast into a pressurewasher-like beam, extending the range of the attack but drastically reducing it’s splash damage effect. Additionally, the acid’s insistently corrosive nature now ignores up to one more level of ACID resistance against foes. (HEALTH +40%, BIO +60%)

>>NEUROTIC HALO (Lvl 11): A mind divided, yet still holding firm. Gina may now concentrate on up to three different abilities at once, allowing her a vastly expanded arsenal of abilities that would normally be too demanding on the forefront of her consciousness. What’s more is that concentration abilities now persist for up to one turn after they would normally be broken by enemy sources, a power that applies to Gina as well as all allies present. (BIO REGEN +50%)

(Continued)
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>>3899667

You take in a deep breath, feeling your body shift, your skin crawl as your form acclimates to the arrival of the new and the growth of the old. Your prehensile tongue roils in your stomach, the guillotine-like row of vertical teeth hidden just behind your abdominal lips sharpening in anticipation of future meals. You look around, finding Dorian and Rath to be the most drastically altered post-dinner, at least on your cursory inspection. The handsome painter’s form now constantly transitions between solid suit, liquid form, and a scarlet cloud, flickers of electricity occasionally lighting up underneath the ever-shifting textures as though the young man’s entire body is a far-off storm front.

Rath’s eyes glow as if lit from within, her gaze almost becoming difficult to meet for the sheet intensity of the light that now pours from her blazing citrine orbs. Her skin smokes, or rather steams from the intense heat held captive in her petite form, threatening to be loosed into a supernova of rage at the first sign of danger.

While they two of them appear to be rather pleased with their new forms Julia’s considerably less so, her external sheaf of skin adhering less to her increasingly feral frame, tufts of fur peeking out from strained flex-points, indicating their origin from the bare musculature that lies underneath her well-crated facade. Her eyes glint in the light thrown off by your brawler and painter, her augmented gaze resembling something primal and powerful, an odd juxtaposition with her otherwise delicate features. Her frown fades a little when her gaze meets Dorian’s, finding him utterly entranced by the depths of her reformed eyes, a fact that prompts a small, shy smile to cross her lips as she quickly glances away.

Any changes Francine may have undergone are hidden from your view by her long, pristine coat, and it swishes behind her when she gives you all a curt nod before she turns on her heel, returning to the Forge room presumably to continue her repairs on the broken Relics. Amara ignores the good doctor in favor of twirling her blade about with childlike glee, muttering something to herself against Cheruem’s chidings as she spawns a single Joyous, the quickly-coalescing clone giving her respectful bow before Amara generates a second blade for her replicant.

Turning finally to Gina, you catch her quickly smooth out her hoodie, a spark of embarrassment crackling across your bond, though you’re not sure why. Giving her a once-over, you can tell that the veins of amethyst now extend well up her arms, and even through her long brunette hair you can even see an errant vein or two softly glowing at the nape of her neck.

“So, how do I look?” You ask, spinning in place to give her a better look. “Anything new?”

(Continued)
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>>3899668

“Yeah, you…your chitin’s all the way down your back, and an inch or two up your neck.” She marvels, reaching out to turn you so that she can get a better look, running her hands along your plated hive, your only clue to her touch being a slight pressure along the unarmored parts of your back.

“Anything new for you? Doesn’t look like the corruption affected you as much as the rest of us, this time.” You say, slightly disappointed.

“Uh…no. No, I’ve changed.” She says, lightly clearing her throat as she speaks. “The lines have gotten more pronounced in other…hey Rath, you look really cool! C’mere, let me see!”

Gina’s sudden shift of focus makes you cock an eyebrow, and for the second time in as many hours you sense a blush creeping into your normally unflappable companion’s cheeks as she makes Rath do a little spin for her, too. To your amusement November’s taken to playfully sparring with Amara, the young girl’s surprisingly professional fencing style quite at odds with how November’s handling the blade, Rath’s aunt resembling more of a swashbuckling cyborg pirate than any respectable fighter. Meanwhile, Julia and Dorian are whispering to each other, the sculptress bashfully covering her face as Dorian gently takes her hands in hers, words of encouragement and praise no doubt flowing from his lips.

You have to admit some level of relief, now that Yurei’s remains aren’t burning a hole in your pocket, the very last remnant of Yurei safely put to rest. Now, the question of where to go from here…

>>Discuss your next set of goals with your family while (most) everyone is present. It’s as good a time as any, given the new information you’ve come by thanks to Yurei and the Barbers.

>>You think the Barbers have the right idea; retreat to your quarters for a quick nap to pass the time…maybe with company, if you’re feeling up to it.

>>Take a moment to talk to one or more of your allies one-on-one…waking or Dreaming, you’re sure time spent with your allies won’t be wasted.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours. Also, if you have any questions or concerns regarding he level-ups then please do not hesitate to let me know. Also, the next update will likely be the last one for today, as evening plans have materialized relating to today’s holiday. I hope your day is going well, and take care one and all.)
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>>3899670
>>Take a moment to talk to one or more of your allies one-on-one…waking or Dreaming, you’re sure time spent with your allies won’t be wasted

>Go and meet Lepisma and Yurei. we need to introduce ourselves to her formaly(at least to Lepoisma and ask her real name or if she wants to be called Lepisma) and make sure they are setteling in well.
>Also aks Yurei where her own Dreamdauhgters are now. Are they gone or are they still with her?

>>3899672
Then i certainly wish you a nice evening. I willl head to bed now... being awake for roughly 36 hours with only three hours of napping interspersed among the long waking hours to keep myself topped up are not soemthing i should do all that often
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>>3899650
>>3899658
im noticing an increase in us gaining abilities that deal with multiple Amalgams or Daughter on the enemy team, trying to tell us something BHOP?

>>3899655
>>3899658
i think you copied something wrong there at the end of Julias part.

and Dorians too it looks like.

>>3899668
i thought Julia could hide at least Carnivorous Carvers corruption until combat?

>>3899670
Gina, whats there to be embarrassed about? did the line become lewd somehow?

vote;
>Take a moment to talk to one or more of your allies one-on-one…waking or Dreaming, you’re sure time spent with your allies won’t be wasted.
>>go talk to November, see what was up with her and Francine.

>>3899676
i want to do this, but lets save it for when we go to sleep, right before we spend our night with Gina.
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>>3899668
>While they two of them appear to be rather pleased with their new forms Julia’s considerably less so, her external sheaf of skin adhering less to her increasingly feral frame, tufts of fur peeking out from strained flex-points, indicating their origin from the bare musculature that lies underneath her well-crated facade.
Huh. Sounds like she's getting a secondary layer of attached skin underneath her skin-suit, if fur's growing underneath it. Might be a good move to get rid of the skin-suit at some point, then, it would just get itchy eventually. Honestly, Julia, we meant it when we said you were a work of art, way back when at your gallery. You don't need that skin you're wearing to be pretty, you're a brilliant sculptress and you can make any sort of epidermis look good.
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>>3899678
Okay
Ammending my vote from >>3899676 to support
>Take a moment to talk to one or more of your allies one-on-one…waking or Dreaming, you’re sure time spent with your allies won’t be wasted.
>>go talk to November, see what was up with her and Francine.
instead

>>3899678
I won't be available tomorrow as I will be playing in a campaing finale for a Star Wars RPG campaing.
I will trust that you will bring thevmeet with Lepisma and Yureiup at that time
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>>3899670
Linking my ammended vote
>>3899693
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>>3899687
truly, the type of compliment only heard in such a weird ass game with such a weird ass world. wonderfully worded Anon.

>>3899693
well, we'll see if it takes that long(very well could though), but yeah, i will.
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>>3899662
>Given that her body now blurs the line between the Daughter and the attacks the manifests, it’s only natural that she may now instantly teleport to any active instance of Radiant Boil at the end of its thrown arc, consuming the projectile and allowing her to continue her relentless barrage unhindered.
This is a really nasty ability, given Caster's Curveball. You think you're safe behnd cover when this glowing sphere snakes its way past your barriers and then a flaming punch-monster pops out of it.
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>>3899678
oh wait, the lines did becomes lewd most certainly. damn my odd knack for noticing things, including those i dont. its an extricate and specific pattern thats now going up to her neck, she doesn't wear a shirt, and its implied she may of just looked down her hoodie. of course she saw something that could be taken as lewd.
im just more surprised Gina of all people would be embarrassed by that, i guess. guess something about people being the least comfortable with what their loud about?

>>3899697
yeah, we got alot of good stuff. love the Oxygenic movement blast, we actually got ALOT of movement options this level up.

im really liking Ginas grub mines too.
though, am i going crazy, or did Gina already have something akin to her new level of Neon Ascendant? is this just an upgrade on that? i mean, nothing wrong if it is, i guess i just dont remember the extent of the old version, if it even exists.
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>>3899703
>though, am i going crazy, or did Gina already have something akin to her new level of Neon Ascendant? is this just an upgrade on that? i mean, nothing wrong if it is, i guess i just dont remember the extent of the old version, if it even exists.
You're not, she could do it with the same Neuromancy skill that lets her take over enemies. This is an upgrade in that it lets Dual Techs still be activated and shunts damage from them to her.
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>>3899678
(Julia can absolutely suppress the changes, but when they first manifest she's caught a little off guard until she can wrestle them down.)

(Plus, cute scene potential.)

(Also, yes, the copy paste glitched. Thanks for catching that!)

>>3899693
(Have a fun time tomorrow, Anon!)

>>3899567
(Sorry you've had a stressful day, Anon. I hope it improves!)

>>3899676
(Sleep well, Anon. Get some good rest.)
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>>3899719
alright, ill await the fix there then! or at least confirmation on what needs to change(mostly want to double check the stat increase numbers, just to be sure.)
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>>3899670
>Take a moment to talk to one or more of your allies one-on-one…waking or Dreaming, you’re sure time spent with your allies won’t be wasted

>Go and meet Lepisma and Yurei. we need to introduce ourselves to her formally (at least to Lepisma and ask her real name or if she wants to be called Lepisma) and make sure they are settling in well.
>Also ask Yurei where her own Dreamdaughters are now. Are they gone or are they still with her?
>Introduce Francine to them. They're her dream daughters, after all. Have a chat with her afterwards.
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>>3899709

I'm sorry. I can't resist.

I think Gina is finding the location of her new Neruomancy glow... is getting on her nerves. Given where she looked, I'd say that it's spread and she's feeling sensitive about it. I really think she might have a need to get that embarrassment off her chest. Okay... I'll stop with the puns.

>>3899670

>> Show a bit of casual affection to Gina and then on to business.
>>Take a moment to talk to one or more of your allies one-on-one…waking or Dreaming, you’re sure time spent with your allies won’t be wasted.
>> Let's find out what went down with November and Francine, November first.
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>>3899738
im sure we can take the embarrassment off her chest later, once everyone's turning in for the night.
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>>3899739
Now consider that we know from the last time we cuddled that the exposed nerve fibers are sensitive in a way that Gina finds pleasant.
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>>3899742
...i think Ginas time being bra/shirtless might be at an end.
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>>3899746
Too much distraction, yeah.
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>>3899742

Ye gods I'm such a child some times... I'm sure we can give her a hand, and help her get that weight off her chest. I'm sure she'll find the gesture quite touching.

Please... no more softball targets for puns.
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>>3899751
im sure theres a joke or pun in there somewhere about Julias skin sliding off and that causing a certain look from Dorian and reaction from her.
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>>3899753
I am now imagining a strip-tease that goes way too far. "W-whoops! Forgot how many layers I was supposed to take off."
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>>3899756
i has something i was gonna say in response to this... but it brought up questions i should NOT put in peoples minds.

but i did laugh.

what ill do instead, is say i found pic related randomly, and considering all the Gina talk...
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>>3899756

Oh... oh my gods... how did I not see it before. Julia. Hellraiser 2. Skin suit. BHOP please tell me someone else noticed this before me and I'm just late to the party!

>>3899757

You do realize saying this to Gina would absolutely be the worst kind of tease because Gina would immediately come up with about a thousand puns... it would be the most exquisite torture we could give her.
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>>3899765
it would be an amusing way to turn the tables on Gina though.
until she doesn't make any, and slowly begins to smile as Shus smile slowly fades.
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>>3899765
(I don't think anyone's caught the Hellraiser 2 reference before, but I may be wrong. Nice catch, regardless!)

(Also, this entire discussion is a sight to behold, truly. I'm losing it over here.)
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>>3899765
>Oh... oh my gods... how did I not see it before. Julia. Hellraiser 2. Skin suit. BHOP please tell me someone else noticed this before me and I'm just late to the party!
I never saw Hellraiser 2. But looking it up, it appears there's a character named Julia who gets their skin ripped off. Neat reference. I only ever caught the Pickman's model reference in Julia, didn't know there was another.
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>>3899768

We then turn it on her and weaponize it. "Oh honey, you really do set my heart a-buzz." If Gina can A. keep from making puns alongside, B. keep things from devolving into puerile giggling, then she's earned her prize.
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>>3899769
glad you are enjoying it.

also, Sheets are up to date, minus Julia and Dorians second Calcite Halo level.

a few people have broken the 2,000% mark. Julia has a pretty hearty lead on Health, and thats only gonna grow once BHOP confirms/gets me that info. Gina is winning on biomass but not by anything spectacular.

Dorians fighting hard and winning on his Health Regen lead, but struggling to keep his lead on Bio Regen.

Dorian and Amara still have not even broken 1,000% for their biomass, which only hits harder due to Francine.

which, speaking of our Doctor, i think its very safe to say she has caught up stats wise. hell shes almost at 2,000% health herself, and thus has passed some people in both Health and Biomass, including Shu!

>>3899778
if she manages to do neither, that might be the most terrifying thing imaginable.
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kill me now. I’m not enjoying working where i’m at. I feel like a dead man walking.
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>>3899670
To this, supporting the option in >>3899738
Also, just for the community:

> VOTE: Please prioritize dealing with the FRANCINE situation.
Sorry for broaching the topic in this way, but I fear we may have the onset of a Monastery-grade clusterfuck, with payoff in 2-4 sessions. Francine is dead-set on commiting suicide, has lost her habitual chill, and whatever it was happening before, it is bad enough to have November discreetly freaking out. I don´t want to have to face regrets for not doing an intervention when we had the chance.
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>>3899828
im not sure about that. sure, Francine clearly needs some help chilling out a bit, but otherwise i dont think we need to lose our heads over anything else on our plates at the moment. Plus, running ourselves ragged can and will have consequences. unironically we have almost made Shu make Hunger sanity checks before. our team both deserves and needs time to unwind, even just a little bit, and sometimes we just gotta decide to make that time, damn be whats going on in the world, otherwise we will ALWAYS find an excuse not to.
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>>3899757
This is relevant and deserved, for Gina. She is our girlfriend, and we could wind up dead or worse every single day.
For the PG rating, I don´t mind any neccesary degree of censorship, ellipsis or fade to black to whatever extent is needed to maintain decency and taste to all of the audience´s satisfaction.
It would be to just let Gina a chance to do what she wishes and be assertive. She has had a rough time and sacrificed much to support us, she should regain some agency in the relationship and have her own space. It would be a fitting mark of appreciation.
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>>3899828
Don't worry, it's definitely on our minds. We need to take care of this. We're going to talk to November about their discussion, then we're going to use what we learn from that to go talk to Francine, and then we're going to talk with her about how to take down West Sigma, and hopefully along the way we'll be able to help get her mind together. Worst case scenario, we remind her that if she dies we're just going to eat her brains and then she'll be stuck providing exposition for us until the end of time.
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>>3899837
you are taking a joke way too seriously.
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>>3899833

Your comments are good and raise a good point about not being "full big serious bussiness" all the time around her.

What about unwinding and socializing with the Doc? Just unleash our inner goof with her. No heavy topics, no complicated talk, just serve her a drink, swap tales, and provide her a chance to relax, socialize in her own terms, and let herself feel appreciated and valued.

We have drinks, our bellies full....Just have a pleasant chat with her.
And mayyybe get her drunk, and invite November along (because marines excel at using alcohol in amusing ways). What kind of drunk are you, Francine?
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>>3899845
well i mean, thats kinda sorta the plan?
talk to November to learn whats going on, then go from there. maybe November or the info she gives will make it clear nows not the time to push the doctor, or maybe till give us info to help talk to her. we'll see, and go from whatever seems most appropriate after the next update, over trying to force a conversation from her even if it ends up not making sense.

i mean, i cant see why anything November says would do that, unless she specifically asks us to give her time or something, but still.
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>>3899778: me from mobile

All puns aside, we really do need to give Gina/Shu some alone time, I figure November > Francine > take a goddamn break to enjoy one of the reasons life is still worth living.
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>>3899670

“No need to be embarrassed about the lines.” You begin, reaching out across the Crimson Cord to Gina even as she continues to marvel at your allies’ new mutations. “I’m kind of curious why you seemed weirded out by it this time around, though.”

“I could tell you, or I could show you…” She playfully fires back, flashing you a mischievous smirk before rounding on Julia and peppering her with compliments. “…but only if I get to see how far down that chitin goes, Defiant.”

Oh…

…OH.

“Alright then.” You reply, striding past her as a creeping blush works its way up the back of your neck. “You’ve got yourself a deal, Heartbound.”

Striding up to November and Amara, you arrive in time to witness Amara lunge, November tucking the point of the little girl’s blade under her arm and collapsing to her knees with a flourish.

“Im…impossible!” Heather Neeson groans dramatically, Amara barely able to contain her giggles as Rath just rolls her eyes, the hint of a barely-suppressed smile tugging at the corners of her mouth. “How?! How could I be defeated by…by the likes of YOU!? NOOOOOOoooooo…ooooh…”

“…bleh.”

Julia and Dorian erupt into mock applause the moment November flops bodily onto the floor, Amara thrusting her blade into the air victoriously as Gina and Rath start chuckling. You help November back to her feet, and she hands Amara her duplicated sword back with a bow and salute before you can lead her away.

“A stellar performance, Miss Neeson.” You smirk, and November’s shoulders shake in the approximation of a breathless chuckle.

“Ah, well, I’m out of practice from when I used to pull that same scene with Rachel, but glad I can still draw in a crowd.” She replies, her tone dropping as she glances around to ensure you’re a decent distance from the rest of your family as you stand near the ball pit. “So, I’m guessing you want to know about what happened with Francine?”

“Are you and she okay?” You nod, and November folds her arms with an exaggerated and silent sigh.

“I’m fine. And yeah, she’ll come around, I think...I hope." November adds, glancing towards the Forge. “I noticed her kind of being standoffish ever since the whole thing with Yurei, so I figured she was clamming up. Called her out on it, and she asked me why I was trying to make things harder than they needed to be. I asked why they needed to be the way she seems to think they do, and…well, you heard the rest.”

“So you’re saying she’s still locked on to her original plan?” You ask, a sinking feeling tugging at your chest.

(Continued)
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>>3899845
I just want to get her pleasantly shitfaced and have her wind up shouting drinking songs in a chorus with SHU and NOVEMBER at 5am in the morning, and being ABSOLUTE GOOFS.

Francine seems to always have been this serious, driven person with low socialization and too focused on her job. The obvious solution is to counter this with amazing amounts of FRAT-style party goofiness and good memories - get her know that when she is in a bad funk, her noisy, chaotic new family will drag her to the cinema/battlefield/bar/karaoke and reset her perspective so that she feels better.

Because they care, and won´t stop reminding it to her.
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>>3899853

“I actually think she’s wavered, and that’s the problem. At least, in her mind.” November clarifies, leaning against the wall to better scope out the room. “You want my take? You’re making progress and she’s fighting tooth and nail against it. She fought for me to keep living, saying I still had memories, still had something worth living for. It’s easier to write yourself off if you think nobody cares, but when you’re faced with the fact that they do, and you find yourself not wanting to leave them? She’s starting to be pulled in two different directions, and she’s trying to make things easier on herself by just backing off entirely and doubling-down on work.”

“If you’ve got any other hot takes on how to handle her, I’d be happy to hear them.” You reply, mirroring her own lean as you feel your new chitin clack against the calcite wall.

“Just give it some time and keep plugging away.” November answers simply, with a little shrug thrown in for good measure. “Francine’s putting up a fight now but I think you’ll get through to her, eventually.”

You look up at the impassive soldier, studying her face in vain.

“You sound pretty sure about her turning around. Why’s that?”

She looks down, fixing your eyes with her artificial ones as she speaks plainly.

“Because you’re aggressively friendly and hellbent on solving your family’s problems no matter the cost?”

You blink.

“…Fair enough.” You sigh, glancing about the room. “Think a double-team of you and me could do any good?”

“Honestly? Probably not, and that’s all on me.” November replies, a curiously sad lilt to her voice. “I mean, Rath and I haven’t even really talked about everything; her Dad, the rest of our family, and…yeah. There’s a lot we’re working up to and heart-to-hearts were never my strong suit, Shu. Sorry.”

November turns her attentions back to the rest of your family, watching Dorian try to convince Rath not to try igniting right then and there to see if her ignition form’s changed at all. Finding your eyes drawn to the Forge room, you can still hear the faint sound of the good Doctor still toiling away, unceasingly.

She’s high on your priority list, for sure…now, as for whether or not to get some rest or address other issues first, the choice is yours, and yours alone.

>>Talk to another one of your allies, living or otherwise (Write-In).

>>Discuss your next set of goals with your family while (most) everyone is present. It’s as good a time as any, given the new information you’ve come by thanks to Yurei and the Barbers.

>>You think the Barbers have the right idea; retreat to your quarters for a quick nap to pass the time…maybe with company, if you’re feeling up to it.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, I shall be pausing here for the evening. Voting shall remain open for the next sixteen hours, with posting to resume in approximately seventeen, give or take. Thank you all for being the best group of players I could imagine, and I hope you have a fantastic evening, one and all.)
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>>3899857
>Go and talk to Francine.
>Dont push the subjects. not her plan, not her suicide, not her caginess. pushing her now wont do her any good, only help her pull away from you.
>Instead, take interest in her work. watch her fix the Relics, find time to ask her about other projects, Relics or not, she has ideas for.
>Offer to help her out, or get her a drink.
>mention too, that you would like to talk to Lepisma and Yurei, before you clock out for the night, and see if she herself would like to come, or has talked to Lepisma yet.
>be a friend to her, over a leader.

>>3899852
we still need to talk to Lepisma and Yurei in the dreamscape, before clonking out.

>>3899862
hope your afternoon goes well BHOP.
looking forward to your replies on the Calcite halo too, when you do find the time.
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>>3899670
>talk about the West Situation
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>>3899857
>Talk to another one of your allies, living or otherwise (Write-In).
>Go to Francine to meet Lepisma and Yurei with her. Use it as an opportunity to get her to open up.
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>>3899857
VOTE:
>>Talk to another one of your allies (FRANCINE).
As discussed in >>3899845, bring Francine a drink, and have her chat about herself. Golden ending to the conversation is DRUNKEN, CHEERFUL SINGING as in >>3899854

Socialize, chat, be as much of a BIG GOOF as it can possibly be tasteful. Get her talking about herself, and mayyybe a tiny bit drunk, if this helps your odds. Let her feel apreciated and valued, make her open up and bring whatver topic she feels is important. We know very few about her....Maybe bring up that FAMILY PHOTO we saw in one of the West labs, if safe?

>> AFTER Francine is dealt, have some (lewd / cuddly?) time alone with Gina, and end the night on that note.
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>>3899874
dont jump over we have two dream daughters still to talk to. i mean, makes perfect sense to do before actually clocking out, as its within the same realm of things, and we probably wont find a better moment.
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>>3899778 / >>3899852 : Home again, home again jiggitty jig.

>>3899857
Seconding >>3899866 & >>3899870
with friendship but also a nod towards talking to them is important in more than one way. Also y'lall are right, I forgot about Lepisma & Yurei, thanks for the catch.
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>Honestly? Probably not, and that’s all on me.” November replies, a curiously sad lilt to her voice. “I mean, Rath and I haven’t even really talked about everything; her Dad, the rest of our family, and…yeah. There’s a lot we’re working up to and heart-to-hearts were never my strong suit, Shu. Sorry.”

>> WRITE-IN (add to >>3899874):
> "You know November... I predict that, after all of this is said and done, you will be able to give a masterclass about it. That´s the good thing about "Crucible High, the most darwinian Campus on existence": If you get alive through it, you get a cathedra on "touchy feely stuff".

Point at rath, and punch November in the shoulder while engaing "MAXIMUM GOOF".

> "So go get them, tiger. Wouldn´t do to have the grizzled Old Veteran about to save the Earth and resident Master of puns not have a touching moment with her niece, ain´t it?"
Land a sneaky, playful punch, go see Francine.
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>>3899882
Ok, sorry - I was just thinking that the conversation with them would be done while we were asleep, as a matter of course.
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>>3899857
>get Francine drunk and uninhibited. She’s too wound up and laser focused to see the big picture.
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>>3899884
speaking of Francine, found pic related.

>>3899888
technically, technically not. dreamscaping is an odd thing, and both doesn't seem to be as good as actual sleep, and we always wake up from it once done, and dont appear to be able to transition from it to normal sleep. so it would be better to get comfortable, do it, then turn our attention to Gina. plus, they're in Francines head, so if we could get her interested in that, i think it would help her, but shes not exactly gonna climb into bed with us and Gina to do it, if she does tag along.
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>>3899891
>>3899887
>>3899874
i also gotta say, not a fan of these. feels to much like you expect or want to force her away from her work. better to just talk to her where and why she is doing something she is comfortable with, over trying to steer her or the conversation away from it.
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>>3899891
>>3899857
changing my vote to support >>3899866
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>>3899892
(Haha, that was actually the working image of Doctor West when I was first gathering images. She was originally meant to have more of a fem-fatale edge to her with a far more flirty demeanor, but she changed a good bit during writing.)
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>>3899910
oh, neat.
well, some of the second part i think still mildly lingers, though kinda in a different way/purpose.

also who wants to bet that when we do finally take down the West clone network, the victory is short lived as all it does is make other groups and daughters react to the power vacuum it leaves?
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>>3899857
Supporting >>3899866 with the addition of
>Some of our small talk should include the question of "Seriously, what the hell is a Void Orrery?"

Because my mind keeps getting caught up on it. Orreries chart the planets, there's nothing to chart if it's a void. And what does that have to do with jamming communications? I need to know, Francine!
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>>3899929
i dont even remember that ever being brought up honestly.

maybe its like in homestuck where the dead folk cause dreamscape shattering explosions so the map they have can actually work via the cracks in reality showing up on it, so help them navigate? but like, instead, just the void of space and cracking the 'wall' between us and the next dimension or something?
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Unrelated to current topic, I just realized something very nasty. We just got several abilities that auto-spawn constructs. Shu auto-spawns when starting combat (and Francine already had that effect), Gina auto-spawns while burrowing, and Amara auto-spawns when taking damage. The first four floors of the Cord cause newly-created constructs to go rogue and attack their creator. They also spawn much more powerful than the Daughter intended to create. We need to find a way to suppress the automatic construct creation or every fight on those floors is going to get so much harder.
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>>3899937
maybe we could make a Tier 5 relic to do it, closer to when the time comes?
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>>3899937
>>3899939
(I'll go ahead and say that those abilities can already be suppressed at will if you know that something's going to work against you for triggering them.)
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>>3899949
oh, well there we go.

>>3899937
you do bring up the already kinda know and slowly becoming less of an issue issue that we do have alot of construct abilities of an important level of use. though, oddly, i think so far it'll actually affect Amara the most to not be able to use them.

sure, its Shus core, but Shu already has some pretty hefty other options, with the only downside she wont have her own armor set. but arguably an even greater center of Amaras play is her joyous many. or maybe the issue is more like it doesn't feel like she has yet given herself as much to make up for its loss as Shu has.
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>>3899949
Oh, that's a relief, then.

>>3899953
Well, part of it we can get around just by spawning a ton in advance. But you're right, we do need a solution for that. Given Lepisma's ability to subvert our constructs, it's possible Spiritus Ex Testa or Hand of the Queen will have something for commanding constructs at higher levels that would let us maintain control. Another possibility that I feel more confident about and that could apply to the whole party are the Hive and Phantasmal Halos. One of those should do the trick. But we don't know where the Hive Halo is and West Prime has the Phantasmal Halo. Good luck getting her to deactivate it (and the Fibrous Halo, she has two) so we can safely consume her.

Also, I'm just realizing that we should have asked Charon about the Halos while we had them here. Just a quick run-down of their capabilities from the person who made them.
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>>3900019
maybe. i was talking more like, prepare everyone to be able to fight without constructs at all, not find a way to be able to use constructs.

and im sure we'll get another chance to speak to Charon. you also forget, while not all of them, we do have some of the Hexxanes, who used the Halos. they probably know at least a decent bit more about those outside their own too.

also, i swear we have at least heard something about the Hive Halo. and one other, i think?
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>>3900030
>maybe. i was talking more like, prepare everyone to be able to fight without constructs at all, not find a way to be able to use constructs.
Oh, I just took it as a given that we're doing that. Our party are fairly well-rounded and capable of acting without their constructs, even Amara. But they're such a great force multiplier, if we can get them I want to.

>and im sure we'll get another chance to speak to Charon. you also forget, while not all of them, we do have some of the Hexxanes, who used the Halos. they probably know at least a decent bit more about those outside their own too.
True, but we missed an opportunity and that's still got me feeling silly. Fair point on asking our other Hexane buds about the Halos, they'd at least have a cursory knowledge of the ones they didn't themselves wear and could tell us a lot about the ones they did. Though I guess there's not much point in asking Cheruem about their Halo, we just got it.

>also, i swear we have at least heard something about the Hive Halo. and one other, i think?
Gina's got some fragmentary notes from Cassandra on the Hive Halo, we don't know where it is but it's enough that we might be able to find it eventually. The other notes Cassandra had were on the Fibrous and Phantasmal Halos, saying that West Prime has them.
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>>3900038
well, as i said earlier, i dont actually think Amara is prepared enough to not have her Clones, but we'll see how things go.

we could still as Cherum what direction it'll take. oh, fucking hell, you do bring up a good point, and one the Hexxanes wouldnt know about at all. the Halos 'bending to the user' part of their construction. a point of contention between us im positive Charon could've put to rest easily. ah well, like you said, silly us.

and ah. fair enough. so what Halos are left to find? Generator, Humoral, Gluttonous, Hive, Vitruvian, Unnatural, and Skintalker, yes? as Charon themselves i think we were told has the Flesh Artisan.

i highly doubt any of them are not already with someone though. and if they arent, id be suspicious of why.
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>>3900048
I believe one of the sidestories recently introduced an Unnatural Halo (or a version of it). The one taking place in Europe.
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>>3900048
>well, as i said earlier, i dont actually think Amara is prepared enough to not have her Clones, but we'll see how things go.
Oh, not yet, but I feel confident she will be.

>and ah. fair enough. so what Halos are left to find? Generator, Humoral, Gluttonous, Hive, Vitruvian, Unnatural, and Skintalker, yes? as Charon themselves i think we were told has the Flesh Artisan.
Yep. We know the status of five of them. Neurotic and Calcite are with our party, Artisan is with Charon, Fibrous and Phantasmal are with West. The other seven are up for grabs, though as you said they likely have been claimed already. They're too high-value not to be. Though Meg just stumbled upon hers, so who knows? Maybe we'll get lucky.
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>>3900054
well yes, but while BHOP has implied a sorta soft canon to fanworks so far, that should still be taking with a big pile of salt to actual canoninity. for me personally, unless it is mentioned in the main story or outright QM confirmed, ill not take it as much, my stories and others. plus, he said his takes place i think... a year? earlier than the actual Quest, so, thats a good chunk of time for it to move around.
still need to read the latest chapter, and that one anons story. sorry to both, but ive just not had it in me to even write my own stuff, let alone that.

>>3900061
well, i think i kinda mis-spoke on my concerns on Amara and whatnot. how to word this, hrm... its that, sure, we have been growing stronger, but so have our enemies, so that kinda evens out. but what actually hasn't changed significantly for most characters, is where their focal points and build/strategy pillars are. and unlike actual stats and power levels, build/strategy stances sometimes never change or are much harder to shift, and i feel Amaras currently isnt showing signs of being able to stand the loss of the pillar that is Joyous ot her strategy. again, we'll see, but like i said, these things dont necessarily shift or get fixed with just raw levels.

and to be fair, Meg seemed to stumble on hers out of a different kinda thing then it being ignored. West actually had it, but instead of consuming it, was experimenting with it to try and learn how to make her own(which all signs did and still seem to point toward her failing), so it was less it had not been claimed, and more Meg got lucky with that West either getting taken out, timing it when she wasn't home, or he for some reason needing to quickly abandon that lab.

Wonder what the pile of others ones actually were/did too? or were they all Neuro Halo copies just lying around, though i could've sworn Meg said the one she took looked special compared to the others.
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>>3900074
>and i feel Amaras currently isnt showing signs of being able to stand the loss of the pillar that is Joyous ot her strategy. again, we'll see, but like i said, these things dont necessarily shift or get fixed with just raw levels.
Perhaps I misspoke, then, because I agree with you. Amara needs work on her non-clone spam skills. But she's getting there, and I think that with our focus on raising things like Queen Crimson, Hunter's Honor and Oxygenic Artillery she'll be able to deal with it by the time we hit the Cord.

>so it was less it had not been claimed, and more Meg got lucky with that West either getting taken out, timing it when she wasn't home, or he for some reason needing to quickly abandon that lab
Oh, sure, like I said it was a matter of sheer luck that she got one that hadn't been absorbed. As for why the local West wasn't there guarding it, Meg said the lab was in ruins. So whatever happened, I think that West abandoned it long before Meg got there. I wonder why she never went back for the Halo, though? Maybe she didn't realize it was a functioning copy?
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>>3900107
well, we know/can easily find out where the lab is, we can always go and try and find out.

to be fair too, even if they are just low level copies, that pile of fake Halos might still have some legitimate use for us, possibly anyways.
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oh kinda random, but when w do get around to actually using Spiritus, i think it would be a fun bonding experience to get Julia to help. sure, she cant actually MAKE them, but she could give us sculptor pointers and lessons, plus maybe with all the neuromancy around she could link to us to help more directly.

besides, if we're gonna pull out Holly and Johanna, they shouldn't just be in a rad buggy body, they should be in THE rad buggy bodies that are a work of art in and of themselves.
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>>3900149
>Spiritus
We'll have to devote our entire Bio and Health in order to make them the sturdiest Constructs though. We can't just plop down 200% bio and call it a day. If we want to have our dream daughters make the most use out of Spiritus AND keep the dream daughters alive out of a fight, then we need to devote all of our personal resources.
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>>3900157
i dont think we need to go that crazy. but i mean, really depends on the situation too. if we're making from home where others can pitch in? not so bad.

but i can still see situation where getting them out would be a good idea but not something to drain ourselves on. id argue at least 500% health is enough to make them viable as extra support, though it does still depend on situation a bit.

plus, id think at least Holly wouldn't mind coming out just to hang out. hell, we want to give Julia and Dorian some alone time, maybe we could use Holly as an extra hand to keep Amara busy. at those points, we really wouldn't need much at all, but i can still see a point to bringing them out.
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>>3900149
I like that idea a lot. Make the coolest bug-warriors we can. It's been a while since Shu's had some time alone with Julia, too. Would make for a nice bonding moment. Julia giving Shu sculpting tips while they catch up and Shu asks how she's doing.

>>3900160
Does the Bio cost for a Shell have to be invested up front, or can it be put in over the course of the three turns they take to make. Because if so, and working in advance so we have time to restore Bio, a Shell can become pretty durable. Attach a Dominus Bloodline set to Bio Regen siphoning to Dorian and Gina, have Francine connect with Creation's Strings, and that gets us 4210% Health.
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>>3900174
no idea honestly, but even if you have to set out all the materials at the start, thats still 3 turns for us to recover from and i THINK we have some methods to insta heal over just giving us more regen. really depends on how you read a few abilities. regardless, under the best conditions, yeah we could and have no reason to not make them even more hardcore than we are if we can. i was just saying i dont think its logical to write off ever using it even under less ideal circumstances, even if said moments might be pretty rare.
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>>3900178
Sure, I'm just doing the math on the "making from home where others can pitch in" idea. Except I've actually got it wrong because I thought Francine could transfer both Health and Bio. She can't, only Health. So okay, it's actually only the boosted regeneration from the Dominus Bloodline, a "mere" 2740% Bio invested into the Shell's Health. Eh, let's cut off that 40% to make it a Spriteling, while we're at it. Give it a bit of a power boost. Still, pretty durable creature, especially after we armor it in five Plate-Spritelings for the stat boost and armor.

Oh, wait, forgot one applicable skill. Amara can multiply Bio Regen by 1.5 with GRA BAUM. Okay, so it's 3220% Bio invested into Shell Health. 3180% health if the Shell is a Spriteling. Not bad.
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>>3900174
(The BIO can be invested over three rounds, as the lengthy build-up was meant to both encourage pre-combat planning and allow REGEN to come into play to make stronger Shells.)
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>>3900260
Excellent. Alright, then, current Shell is 3220% Bio strong.
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>>3900260
>inb4 Chimera Ants
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>>3900260
Awesome. Much more viable too, especially for when planning that in less ideal setups.

Though, pre-fight planning is pretty rare for us.
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>>3900261
Oh, wait, actually, forgot one last boost to Shu's regen, because we just got it. Every swarmling boosts her Bio regen by 5%, so make forty-one swarmlings (with Defiant Heart from Amara. Hey, wait, that's the name of the Shu/Gina ship. Weird), so we're actually at 3885% Bio investment. Gonna be pretty durable.
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>>3900271
>pre-fight planning being rare
Aside from one or two examples (Spiraling Fear - We had 3 rounds of preparations, Hunting Lepisma - 3 rounds) I would state being contrary...I would more or less agree. But I think we do have some flexibility to put Creating a "Spirit Avatar" (That's my terminology for Spiritus Constructs) for pre-fight planning.
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>>3900273
Hold up. Do individual recursive swarmlings count? Recursive swarmlings don't occupy swarmling slots, so theoretically we can just mass produce recursive swarmlings for infinite bio-regen for an additive exponential regen rate for zero swarmling slot cost.
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>>3900277
(They don't, at current. That would be even more broken than I'm willing to make it...at current, at least.)
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>>3900280
Do Spiritus Constructs take up a swarmling slot? It feels like they count as one and would stand to get the same augmentations that our Hive benefits from due to the synergy between our Hive Mistress Core and the (Phantasmal Conduit /Hive mistress) Hybrid type of Spiritus Ex Testa.
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>>3900285
(They do not take up a slot, but they do benefit from your Swarmling boosts. It was part of doing well during the little 'Alpha' sidequest.)
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>>3900294
Are you referring to 'A' (Polish Gluttonous meme girl) telling us about Spire Island and giving us the quest to hunt the "Worm" that resided there?
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>>3900314
(Indeed, I am.)
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>>3900149
Johanna will accept nothing less than the pinnacle of what is possible with our combined skillsets.
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>>3900054
As the one writing that particular story I would hold off on the Canon part a bit. The entire thing takes place about a year earlier than the quest. I wanted to have enough time to play with for Mina and company to explore the world a bit. Even if you can fly it will take weeks and months to actually get around to many places especially if they are hazardous

As far as I am concerned the Halo Mina has is the genuine thing though it was deactivated before being used in the particular fashion it was used in the story. But really there are a couple copy's of the Unnatural Predator Halo in circulation in my story. So it would be pretty easy to just write it off that wherever the Halo is in Cannon to have been brought/lost there and almost everyone else either dying or losing it and having to get put down without the Halo being recoverable. So what I write is probably not even close to Canon on where the Halo has been

I also hope you could enjoy the story so far

>>3900074
it's fine. Everyone has such phases. Best of luck for your own writing

>>3900160
I think Holly would actually love that. I think she and Gina would also get along quite well.........
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>>3899857
Supporting >>3899866
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>>3900319
Found a good body horror Manga. It's a complete story.

https://mangakakalot.com/manga/mad_chimera_world

You're welcome.
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>>3900397
>"i want that carapace SPARKLING Defiant! i want it shining in the sunlight brighter than your redhead friends cheeks whenever you give her a direct order! i want it to have better curves to its figure than your girlfriend does back problems! it better be sturdier than your ability to hold back that growing blush Defiant!"

>>3900434
i mean, i cant see her not getting along with Gina, but i cant see her getting MORE along with her than others. Holly seems more a 'Rosa' kinda shipper, over a 'Gina' kind. then again, we dont know what Rosas fanfics look like, so...
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>>3900319
also, as you mentioned it being one of your inspirations, the people over on /tg/ doing a translation of Nechronica just released their supposed finalized version, if you're at all interested in that. damn, 3 years of working on that, good for them to have finished.
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>>3900519
>>3900319
And here's the thread for it. Download the pdf before it falls off the board while you can bhop. Besides, that thread has some pretty cool pics you could use for this quest.
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>>3900522
>>3900319
you seem to have not posted the thread. and i cannot for the life of me remember how to actually link threads cross board, so i did it the old fashioned way.
>>>/tg/69163263
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>>3900535
oh, it just auto made it an actual cross board link.
fuck me with Raths full powered fist, guess i figured that one out.
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>>3900493
i think it was a bit implied(in our earlier interactions with her) that Holly had a small crush on Shu

and i dont think that Gina would mind sharing if Holly wanted to come out to play with them or sleep together with them in the same bed

>>3900536
I am pretty sure there would be nothing left of you if that happened.... which would be regrettable
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>>3900545
Possibly, though i think she was ok with knowing Shu was taken. That being said, im sure Kosi would approve.

Also im not sure how to tell you this Anon, but what's outside those spoilers could be construed as just as bad as what you spoilered.

>I am pretty sure there would be nothing left of you if that happened.... which would be regrettable.
Hah, well appreciate the odd compliment. Im pretty sure my untimely demise would be the least of anyone's worries, given the amount of collateral that would happen to the area around me too.

What IS Raths current max? for point of argument, we can say we have 3 turns to pump her full of stats, plus the first turn(so four total) for her to throw as pumped up a punch as she can. Full support from family and relics.

Points im unsure of;
>Would Amara casting a buff be worth it just giving more biomass and health? Do her spells stack, does the stack get less potent each stack if they do?
>Would replicant limbs actually be better here than just spawning more stock limbs?
>Would ignition be worth it here, if were just going for raw top damage potential?
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>>3900586
Note, shes throwing the punch ASAP first turn as if she tries to wait, potency might be lost to damage taken and dished out, and having to do other things to survive longer to throw the punch later. Or so is my thoughts on the matter.

Also, another issue is if Tormentis stat increases for the post turns would be better than just more limbs to melt into the punch.
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>>3900587
Wait, Tormentis takes Health, limbs cost Bio, nevermind on that last part, we wouldn't really need to choose between the two but do both.
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>>3900586
We are probably already somewhere in the neigborhood of her being able to devastate a city by herself

You would have to consider that two of her augments grant her additional strength whil eshe stays above a certain threshhold i think that we can safely ignore hideous strength if we go for a signle pumped attack with Tormentis.

However i would consider the Herculean strength to be wortwhile though. But i can see that mabe it would be more worthwile for her to use them to infuse the pounch with it.

Since i dont know the math i will assume that she pours it all into the limbs to strengthen herself further.


I will just assume that strength will translate roughly 2:1 into the speed at which the punch is thrown(i wont go for simply speed exchange as that will be roughly interchangable i am kinda gueassign she can jsut go ahead)
I will also assume that Amaras speels dont stack that will be too much of a headache

With the Tormentis her total strength bonus is 46.170%(assuming she poured everything but 1 % Health into it with Shu and Amara giving her a boost with their abiliteis and drawign from Novemebers Healthpool as well) she also still has one extra point of health left over to activate her mega punch
I assume her normal punching speed will be 48 kilometers per hour(which is fast) the we get to a speed of about her speed bonus will be 23.085%. That translates to her fist moving at roughly 1.735 meters in a second.

If we can assume she can throw her entire weight into the punch and that she does not have help by gravity she could in theory(assuming her bodyweigght to be around 45 kg) throw out a punch that would ammount to 156.150 Newtons of force

Which is 156,15 Kilonewtons/Jules of force

I think..... i could have made some huge mistakes in my calculation as physics is not my speciality. I would have asked my brother with his physics degree but he wasnt availabe so i tried to do the calculatiosn myself....

it would feel like a brick wighing over 7.000 Tons being laid on you chest.... I think you and a bit of the surroundign city would just be vaporised if she actually threw that punch

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Yes i just assumed Raths weight.... is hould probably hode somewhere and hope that Amara is kind enough to give me over to her.....
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>>3900586
if we are jsut going for top damage potential i think ignition would be worth it seeing as we also set up a potent damage over time dbuff with it.

if she can use those limbs all at once porbably they have a higher base and as such would make the tormentis much more effective there are only so many places one can punch and enemy at before you start hitting yourself in the process
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>>3900603
I think if im reading correctly you are overlooking she can melt down and combine all her extra phantom limbs into a single punch to give an attack a major damage boost.

So it wouldn't be multiple fists hitting the enemy to get her maximum potential fulfilled.
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>>3900606
quite possibly

but i am unsure on how to calculate that damage just that it is more damage for her singular punch. I have no factor to go off on to include....


I could assume the factor but that is not something i would like to do since i really have no idea
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>>3900609
Id think we could still fond the multiplier bonus and/or percentile bonus though.

>>3900602
>>3900609
Still though, thanks for doing what you can to calculate this.

But yeah, especially with you low balling due to some factors, i think Rath can hit with over the force of two nuclear bombs probably, from what it looks like.

So yeah, me and the city are not just fucked, Rath has created a new fucking canyon to call her own.

And the worse part? The automatic knock down means i spill my soda in the process...
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>>3900613
Oh and for referenc e the average joe weighing 70kg(which he can usually only bring 35 kg around to effectively hit you with) will hit you with about 50 kilogram or 490 Newtons

God Damn it i had a typo it is 35 kg not 3 kg
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>>3900519
(What a marvelous pairing to wake up to this morning. Thank so so much for sharing, these are fantastic!)
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Francine doesn’t look up from her work when you gently tap on the Forgeroom’s doorframe, the only indication that she heard your knock a brief pause in the deft movements of her hands, toiling with some last-minute touches over the Sui Sacrificium. Her coat is draped over the back of the thin, hastily-constructed calcite chair that she now sits in, hunched over a desk-like protrusion from the left-hand wall. The Forge’s flickering orange light casts a soft glow over the two of you, like a quietly pulsing fireplace tucked into the far wall.

“Didn’t know what you wanted to drink, so I thought a gin and tonic would be a good place to start.” You say, setting the glass down beside her. Her glance lingers in the clear liquid a moment before she gives a little shrug, reaching out with one ungloved hand and raising the cup to her thin lips. Every movement of her bare hand is a stuttering, stop-motion affair, her fingers furling and unfurling into golden strands with each choppy motion. Corruption exacerbated by exhaustion, if you were to hazard a guess.

“How goes things?” You begin, sipping your refreshed Bees’ Knees as you lean against the wall, hip braced against the edge of Francine’s workbench.

“Sacrificum is complete and fully-functional.” She replies coolly, inspecting the half-finished contents of her glass with an expression that seems to betray a hint of satisfaction. “The Orrery is…workable, insofar as I can make it.”

“Be nice to have a cloaking device, and not go in Contender blazing all the time.” You jest, watching as Francine shifts in her seat, reaching out to take the irregular sphere in her hands.

“Sorry to disappoint you, but it appears that the Orrery’s ‘cloaking’ function was a symptom of it already being damaged when Sasha and her team found it.” She explains, gingerly passing the sphere to you for your inspection. “Apparently, upon activation it was projecting an overlay into the surrounding Daughters’ pre-frontal cortex, which was close enough to where our extra-sensory powers appear to sit. In simple terms, the entire reason scans and the like didn’t work when it was initially activated is because it was overriding the perceptions of everyone present with its own set of visuals.”

“Okay…so did you fix it?” You ask, not quite sure what she’s building up to.

“Somewhat.” She replies with a scowl, taking the sphere back and placing it beside her drink, which she promptly picks up and finishes with a single fluid motion. “I believe I’ve been able to calibrate it to the point where it’s comprehensible, though the veracity of what it shows is...suspect.”

You cock your eyebrow, and Francine rises from her seat with a sigh, picking up the Orrery and plucking your cup from your hands, replacing it with the curious Relic.

(Continued)
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“It’ll be easier to show you, if I may?” She asks, and when you nod she places her hand on the Relic and closes her eyes, drawing in a shaky breath. “I’m not a fan of pageantry, but…if you’d be so kind, please close your eyes.”

You oblige, feeling the sphere shift in your hands as your world goes dark, the soft glow of the nearby Forge casting a warm glow against your eyelids. The Orrery begins to hum, and you resist the urge to peek when you feel it blossom into something even as you and Francine hold it. The darkness before your lids deepens, lengthens in impossible ways, and as you hold your eyes shut tight a hundred…no, a thousand pin-pricks of light begin to fill your field of vision. You feel Francine’s hands move, and your stomach lurches when the sea of lights churn, spiraling away before mercifully slowing to a stop, carefully zooming in on a speck of light that slowly grows as Francine brings you closer. A star, *your* star, orbited by eight soft, pale lights...and a scarlet, tumor-like glow, in the place where your planet should be. Your eyes dart about, glancing past your solar system to see hints of other dark red spheres, far off in the void of space.

“Oh…oh, shit.” You breathe, and you can feel Francine nod with some measure of grim satisfaction.

“Indeed…if this Relic is to be believed, then the Void Orrery is no mere cloaking device.” She says, zooming out of your solar system, your red planet lost in the crimson lights that pop into existence as Francine zooms out further, and further, and further still, revealing the whole of the Milky Way and a hint of the voids beyond.

Your throat is tight.

Your blood runs cold.

It’s a sea of cold, violent scarlet, as far as the eye can see.

“I believe this to be a map of the active Crucibles.” Francine concludes, the countless red points of light fading from view as the Forge’s reassuring orange glow returns. You open your eyes, swallowing hard as you meet Francine’s harsh gaze. “It was functioning as a cloaking device because it was projecting a drastically zoomed-in portion of the map into the minds of all present, thus overriding any extra-sensory abilities nearby Daughters possessed. If you wish to look on some semblance of a bright side, I should be able to easily replicate that effect with a bit more work, so it can still be used to conceal a small group from detection…though it’s obviously not the Orrery’s intended purpose.”

“…Nicely done.” You say, finishing your drink and letting the sweetness wash down the sour taste that’s crept into your mouth. “Surprised you were able to reverse-engineer Hexane tech like that. I’m impressed.”

“Well, funny story about that.” Francine says, holding your gaze as she resumes her seated position, holding the Orrery in her bony lap.

“This thing…it’s not Hexane.”

(Continued)
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>>3900752

“Wait, then…who did?” You mutter, and Francine merely shrugs.

“That remains to be seen, but I think that the Hexane race weren’t the only ones advanced enough to learn of the Crucibles.” She replies, replacing the Orrery on the table, and you’re struck by the odd sensation that there’s something oddly familiar, almost unnervingly so, about the nested spheres and pulsing core of the alien Relic. “Given how it works, I’d imagine that whoever crafted the Orrery had a similar sense of time and space to the Tindalos, given some quirks of its inner workings. This is all hypothetical, of course.”

“Maybe, but I trust your instincts.” You say off-handedly, a comment that causes Francine to stiffen, a vague flutter of appreciation felt across the empathic channel. She doesn’t reply, instead reaching out for her glass and making a small noise of irritation to find it empty.

“Same?” You ask, shaking the empty glass with a weak smile.

“I…sure. Yes, I’d like that.” She relents, any objections she held evaporating in the face of your shared revelation. You leave for a moment, and when you return with a fresh tonic and Bees’ Knees you find Francine’s crafted a similar chair for you to sit on, notably much more comfortable than the spindly thing she currently occupies. Handing Francine her drink while you oblige her offer of a seat, you watch her swiftly finish half the drink once more before continuing to tinker with the Orrery.

“Talked with Lepisma yet?” You ask, watching the index and middle fingers of her left hand come undone, the golden threads they’ve unspooled into darting between the crevices of the mysterious Relic.

“Not yet, no. Same for Yurei, for obvious reasons.” She replies dismissively, squinting at her work before irritably retrieving a pair of thin spectacles from her vest pocket and snapping them open before sliding them up the bridge of her nose. “Little time for conversation with the living, less so for the dead. You know how it is, I’m sure.”

You just make a small noise of agreement, watching her work as a warm silence settles over the two of you. She seems content to not talk, and even somewhat relieved at the lack of the sermon she apparently expected from you. It might be good for her to take a step back from her work to talk to her new Dream Daughters though, if only to get that ball rolling…or maybe she’d prefer if you took the lead in conversation?

Then again, getting a few more drinks in her might be the best plan of them all.

>>Continue speaking and drinking with Francine, bringing up one or two points that have been on your mind (Write-In)

>>Go ahead and speak with Lepisma, preferably alongside Francine.

>>Talk to Yurei, opening the empathic field to converse while Francine continues to work.

>>Simply sit and relax in Francine’s presence, then leave her to her work and go relax with an ally of your choice.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen. I'll also post the info block for the Sui Sacrificium after your conversation with Francine.)
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>>3900752
>Void Orrery
>Void = Space
It's a goddamn intergalactic map of the Stars.
>She replies, replacing the Orrery on the table, and you’re struck by the odd sensation that there’s something oddly familiar, almost unnervingly so, about the nested spheres and pulsing core of the alien Relic.
Wait up. It's a replica of the Favored's Reward sculpture that Julia made.

>A curious creation catches your eye, small and simple in the midst of its grandiose fellows. You approach a delicate half-sphere no more than half a meter in diameter, impossibly thin layers of flesh depicting a cross-section of something unknowable. The thinnest layer of epidermis comprises the largest part of the shell, with a thicker layer held below by a deliberate tube of flesh. Numerous intricate layers form an onion of multi-toned skin until, finally, the core holds a sphere composed of several sets of lips, curved in a series of smiles. “Favored’s Reward” reads the title.
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>>3900752
as neat as that void orrrey is, that really sounds more like a 'future humanity' type of device/'problem'. one crucible at a time, for now anyways.
unless Francines weird anti-west clone network algorithm can be applied on a much larger scale, but we dont even know if crucibles are communicating much less connected in the first place yet, so besides the iffiness of that we have things to learn before even pretending to think about that.

>>3900753
>Watch Francine work for a bit, but then try and convince her to catch some sleep. crack a small joke at her stop motion movements to break the subject, but on her health and need for sleep, be willing to be more forceful on her taking a break.
>use Lepisma and Yurei as a good excuse to draw her away too, though she still doesn't have to join you on that if she doesn't want to.
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>>3900755
so it was.
though, doesn't help too much in figuring it out, as it was an engine, Hexxane tech, that we think was making Julia see those things.

mind you, what it makes people dream about hardly has to be Hexxane in origins, just that that doesn't give us much to work with on moving forward. oh, wait, we have that one thing from Yurei! dream whatever! maybe even if she doesn't ACTIVELY remember more, Julia still has more info on it in the memory of the dream deep in her head to look at! yeah, i think that might work.

wait, no fuck, goddamnit we already have so so much on our list to do though!
*screams*
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>>3900752
We're near the end of the cycle, aren't we? Not our personal cycle, but the world-parasites' total cycle across the galaxy. If so much of it is red, there can't be many new worlds left to infect. There are approximately a hundred billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy. Suppose a thousandth of them have life-bearing planets. One hundred million worlds infected by the various strains of world-eater, and none of them found what they were looking for yet. Whatever grand plan they were created with in mind, it's gone wrong in a hundred million iterations. Well, no pressure on us, then.

Also, hold up, nine planets? Void Orrery, no, if you're going to count Pluto you have to count the other dwarf planets too, at the very least you should include Ceres for ten planets. Unless that's not Pluto. Could be Nemesis, maybe, its existence is pretty well-disproven in our world but there's still some slight possibility it exists.
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>>3900771
fuck you pluto is an honorary planet.
viva la pluto, viva la fuck you.
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>>3900775
Then make Ceres an honorary planet, too. Eight planets or ten, not nine.
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>>3900780
i dont even know what your talking about, which tells me enough about why that shouldn't be a thing.
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>>3900775
>>3900780
(Curses, you're right; I should've included Ceres as well to round it out to ten. Pluto and Ceres both deserve more love, in my humble opinion.)
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>>3900783
Just because you're a Philistine who doesn't know about the awesome dwarf planet that is Ceres doesn't mean that Ceres doesn't deserve respect. Ceres is great. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the Disassociated are headed, it's long been considered the ideal spot for a settlement in the Asteroid Belt.
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>>3900753
>Continue speaking and drinking with Francine, bringing up one or two points that have been on your mind (Write-In).

>"Have you ever wondered what the dreamscape is like without the whirling dervish that's the jumbled subconscious? It just so happens that I have a key to making dreamscape navigation much more stable."
>*Show the Silver Key*
>"I know you're not one for sleep nor being unproductive, but I think having a few other Dreamdaughters to talk with about your projects might provide some insight as well as some rest for your body. Besides, I've been meaning to talk to Yurei and Lepisma. If you're not one for conversing with the dead, at least get to know your neighbors when you finally do decide to get some shut-eye."
>Go ahead and speak with Lepisma or Yurei, preferably alongside Francine.
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>>3900789
>>3900786
nah go go fuck yourself on that one.

Pluto is our best planet and anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong.

but in all seriousness if your willing to tone that 'philistine' crap for a moment, literally never heard of it. plenty of shit talking about Jupiters moons, potential things past Pluto, a few other things, all mentioned regularly enough to at least somewhat remember and seem important/interesting.

literally not one mention ever of ceres or anything in the asteroid belt. not even in multiple articles talking about other things of similar size to Pluto as an explanation for why Pluto isnt considered a planet. just saying, i cant know about something if no one else actually cares about it enough to mention it.
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>>3900752
>“Indeed…if this Relic is to be believed, then the Void Orrery is no mere cloaking device.” She says, zooming out of your solar system, your red planet lost in the crimson lights that pop into existence as Francine zooms out further, and further, and further still, revealing the whole of the Milky Way and a hint of the voids beyond.

>Your throat is tight.

>Your blood runs cold.

>It’s a sea of cold, violent scarlet, as far as the eye can see.
I can't help but imagine this song being played as some fast forward/sped up version of a Crucible cycle happening on some distant planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COzEWpOfwVk&list=PLZe7ShU_DryivX36jo3cH9Ov7E9bBMfs9&index=25
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>>3900796
>Pluto is our best planet and anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong.
I'm not saying anything bad about Pluto, just that if you're going to count it you should count Ceres (and probably Eris) as well.

>literally not one mention ever of ceres or anything in the asteroid belt. not even in multiple articles talking about other things of similar size to Pluto as an explanation for why Pluto isnt considered a planet. just saying, i cant know about something if no one else actually cares about it enough to mention it.
That's very strange, then, because Ceres's status was pretty big in the IAU debates about planet definition. Some factions wanted to make it the fifth planet in the Solar System. Ultimately it was rejected because it lies within the asteroid belt, and the IAU defined a planet as having swept its local environment clear of other objects in the same orbit. This ruling, coincidentally enough, also knocked Pluto out of the running. I don't know why none of the articles you read mentioned it.
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>>3900771
That just leaves one question: What happens to the Parasites when they've run out of 'herbivores' (planets that haven't been crucified) to eat? Do they turn on each other or do they die out?
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>>3900817
Well, the three mega-Amalgams that Ozmas let loose are apparently designed to defend the Crucible from other world-eaters, so they probably do turn on each other if there are no unoccupied planets in the local environment. The Crucible got very lucky, finding and claiming us before something else in the area could.
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>>3900810
>I'm not saying anything bad about Pluto, just that if you're going to count it you should count Ceres (and probably Eris) as well.
There's also Haumea and Makemake. Funny thing, but Eris' discovery is what put Pluto's status as a planet into question. Fitting, for something named after the goddess of discord.

And much like Pluto, Ceres was considered a planet for half a century after it's discovery before being reclassified as a large asteroid or somesuch.
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>>3900810
a big part of the Pluto debate(for why people get upset) is the fact Pluto was able to be determined to exist longer than those that knocked it off the chart again. its locations also much easier to add it onto charts neatly then say, something just stuck into the asteroid belt. it got ingrained in people and fiction to be something, unlike things like Ceres and Eris, hence the 'honorary' status while those ones haven't earned it. im not actually saying Pluto scientifically should be a planet, only unlike other celestial bodies it has even just cultural reasons by this point to be included over others.

and to be fair, that could be a mix of things... sorta? on one hand, most of what i read was from probably 2-4 years ago, and a good portion was from my friend whos into science stuff to a much deeper depth, but hes more into the theoretical physics side of things, so for debates about planetary bodies, his sources probably arent the best. also most of what i remember was only focusing on size, over any other aspect.

that being said, not two weeks ago i was reading something about... whatever is the name of what might be past Pluto, possibly being something else than they expected, and things that lead to didn't mention Ceres or Eris. though, it was talking about things in relation to the fact Pluto has ice on it, so unsure if that would effect things greatly.

>>3900817
>>3900821
possibly that, though id think similar 'strains' or 'species' wouldn't. my guess is deep hibernation after space farting their way towards the next galaxy, is the preferred next step for at least some.
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>>3900828
mind you, i just realized that last sentence is worded weirdly. 'things it lead to' was a different article on a different topic, just to clear that up.
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>>3900826
I'm waiting on direct observation of their shapes to rule in Haumea and Makemake. But yeah, it's likely they'd be included, too. Personally, I'm fine with expanding the definition of "planet". Some people think it makes things too cluttered, but come on. Wouldn't it be cool to live in a solar system with thirteen planets?

As for Ceres originally being a planet, the term "asteroid" was actually invented for it. Well, it and its sister asteroid Pallas. Blame William Herschel for it.

>>3900828
True, Pluto was in the public imagination for a while, a lot more than Ceres (even though Ceres was discovered first by a century, which I think is kind of unfair). Ceres's pop culture exposure is mostly hard sci-fi novels that don't get a ton of mass-market appeal. Makes sense why the articles you read would ignore it if they were discussing planetoid size, though. Ceres is actually smaller than Pluto, so that fits.
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>>3900832
A reminder to vote for a course of action regarding Shu and Francine.
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>>3900753
>Go ahead and speak with Lepisma, preferably alongside Francine.
It's always important to talk to the dead, Francine. Even if they can talk to each other.
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>>3900753
>>Continue speaking and drinking with Francine, bringing up one or two points that have been on your mind (Write-In)
>"So what are you working on now, if the Sacrificium is operational and the Orrery's in as good condition as it's going to get?"
>Listen to her explanation, let that play out, then
>"Well, don't be up working on this too long. You're starting to get a little...stop-motion. Get some sleep, Francine. You've earned it."
>Then, if she's willing, propose meeting her new Dream Daughters. Start with Lepisma, then Yurei.

>>3900834
Yeah, I was typing it up right now.
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>>3900832
ah dang, while i cant find the version ive seen before(one i saw included pluto and a few other add-ons from someone else, or well, im assuming someone else), and you may of already seen it before, thought you might enjoy it still. mostly thinking on it i realized i had seen Ceres at least once before, and well, there we go. only place ive seen it was tourism posters being used to show off some of the less known celestial bodies alongside some of the more well known. is what it is, i guess.
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>>3900828
>>3900821
if the void orrey shoes the current active crucibles, does show any successful crucibles that successfully escaped the reset cycle? because I reckon that what prompts a Crucible reset is a daughter ascending the Throne and getting the "Mother" title before a daughter worthy of the "Mother of All" title could ascend.
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>>3900753
Last post for today since my campaing final is gonna start soon

Supporting >>3900764
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>>3900853
well, she did say it wasn't entirely fixed yet, so maybe. sounds possibly like a 'fully fixed' feature though. or it literally just has not happened. or maybe getting a 'Mother of All' stops a crucible from even being seen as a crucible. i dunno, lots of options here, but id still bet getting it fully fixed would help with that.

>>3900857
have fun.
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>>3900851
I haven't seen that before. It's great, though. Really cool art.

>>3900853
If it does, they vanish into the sea of red. "Highlight based on status" is probably one of the features that's missing thanks to damage. I imagine an intact Orrery could let you select individual traits you want to look for.

>>3900857
Later, anon. Have a fun time.
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(Gentlemen, work is intensifying this Friday afternoon, so I shall post as soon as I am able. I hope your day is going well, one and all.)
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>>3900874
sorry to hear that. hope to evens out as well s it can going forward. days going well enough, thank you for asking.

>>3900863
>>3900853
so, how DO you think one would fight a Crucible, if you were attacking from the outside? might not actually be that difficult, if you dont give a damn about saving the population of the planet its noming, but if you do, that sounds like a nightmare, even if you otherwise do have a method to kill it, as said second scenario is a very different ballgame.
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>>3900884
Somehow, I could see "Mother" admin would somehow set up a "World Raid" event to promote growth and progress if inter-planetary fighting were to occur if the Crucified planet were to be under siege by the equivalent of Tyranids.
As for the invading force who gives a damn about saving the planet population, they would have to have some very advanced technology and resources to even attempt one. Planetary rescue from a world-eater would require super heavy logistics that requires an intergalactic empire, the ability to secure a safe zone within a galaxy as well as defend them from multiple world-eaters. Like Imperium of Man empire spanning.
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>>3900884
As for fighting a Crucified planet... they would have to go for the Core and the Cord as their overall objective, but would have to get past the atmospheric membrane.
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>>3900874
Sorry things are hectic for you, BHOP.

>>3900884
Yeah, if you don't care about the trapped inhabitants you could just bombard the Crucible from orbit, kinetic kill for the win. Relativistic projectiles may even be possible for humanity by the time we would be fighting other Crucibles. If you do care about the inhabitants, you'd probably want a tactical insertion. Get your party of high-level badasses past the membrane, into the Crucible proper, and then have them hack the Cord like we're planning on doing. Assuming other Crucubles have the same anatomy, that is. They might not have a centralized nervous system, in which case digging out all the nerve clusters would be a much longer campaign.
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>>3900754
>Ask Francince if we could zoom into other Crucibles with the Orrery, try it if yes
We need more info on Mother of All and this could help.
>Ask what Francine is working on now
Kinda dependent on answer because I feel like it might relate to the raid on West Prime, but followed by
>Ask if she would mind if you meet with Lepisma and/or Yurei, she's free to join

>>3900853
My hunch is Mother of All means mother of all crucibles somehow. Which would mean no one has escaped yet.

>>3900884
I think attacking Crucibles is dependent on how fragile they are and I don't remember how much info we have on that or what kind of other defenses they have. It might be as easy as piercing the veil over the sky like the Dissociated are trying to do. However, if you kill the Crucible do you kill the people inside?

There was talk of unlimited power physics voodoo from Yurei (not who I would call a reliable narrator so I am not convinced she was right). If Yurei was right, then are all Daughters' bodies reliant on the magic Crucible juice to live?
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>>3900753
> Supporting >>3900793 as FIRST TOPIC, but also tell her about Julia dreaming of the Void Orrery; SECOND TOPIC is that FAMILY/FRIENDS PHOTOGRAPH we saw in one of West labs. Who was it?

The intent is to get her to open up a little bit in the personal area, as far as possible without being too pushy. We are not going anywhere if we are only discussing work with her, she needs a rapport with the crew. But generally be nice, make her drink a bit more, and relax.
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>>3900895
>>3900899
im not sure it would have to actually be that big, due to the fact overall the Crucibles are not a unified force nor is their goal actually outright destruction of life. you could be (for galactic levels) still pretty small, and fend off individual Crucibles id argue, and because they do come, well not gonna say randomly, but certainly no sign of them hunting in packs or working together, it might still be resource draining, but i can still see a 'small' empire able to divert or kill them as they go for them.

im also unsure going for the Cord would actually be that difficult. nor necessarily getting past the membrane. would depend on a few factors though, but id argue if the DOs are confident in at least their ability to punch through, it cant actually be that great of a defensive shield in and of itself, especially compared to the tech and resources even just a solar system spanning 'empire' could have.

expanding though, while still not impossible, would be a bitch.

as for actually saving the planet though, again i disagree on the size of the empire significantly, but otherwise i agree they would need a much higher logistics and tech level, though arguably size is not necessarily required for either.

>>3900901
yeah, i am curious how different they can be. the question also then becomes, could non crucible tech properly integrate? could non crucible people? we know the Hexxane pre-made tech for the crucible, but we also know they could look at other Crucibles, so we dont know if said tech was not directly made with Crucible materials or something else related.

>>3900903
well, i dont actually think it would be hard, due to the fact as i said, if the DOs can even be confident in piercing it at all, and possibly getting away, it actually cant be too tough. even if its the 'DOs are too small to bother with', theres a very strong argument that could be super abused to kill a Crucible.

as for the killing them, id say if you kill the cord, then yeah, probably everything in it is lost. unsure about the daughters already out and about though,but besides the fact id be hard for them to survive whatever killed the cord, the cord is still the actual brain of the crucible. unless there is also a separate heart somewhere keeping the fleshscape alive, they arent gonna last long on a giant hunk of rotting dying meat. they themselves might just revert back to needing to sate a regular biological hunger id imagine.

>>3900895
>>3900901
>>3900903
does bring up an important question though, of once a Crucible does get a hold of a planet, would it even be worth the time and resources to try and save it? even if you think you can, thats a hell of a cleanup job even under the best of cases.
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>>3900753

"Since we’re on the topic of Relics and such, thought you might be interested to know Yurei had this.” You say, retrieving the Silver Key from your pocket, extending it to Francine as she leans over to peer at the small platinum orb. “Supposed to let you explore the Dreamscape in a more stable fashion.”

“Intriguing.” She mutters, returning to her work on her own spherical Relic. “I’ve not researched the Dream in any relevant capacity, but I’m sure that could certainly prove useful to your dealings with everyone’s Dream Daughters. Though I must admit I’m not terribly spurred to research it given its rather subjective nature, as opposed to the real.”

“I get that…then again, I’m fairly certain both Dorian and Julia have had some dreams that’ve been more than that, given their content.” You elaborate, holding the Silver Key between your steepled fingers as you speak. “Dorian dreamt of the Hexane, while Julia sculpted something that looked an awful lot like the thing you’re working on.”

“…Interesting.” Francine hums, pausing her movements to ponder your comment for a moment. “I may have to bring that up to Julia when I’m done here, then.”

You watch Francine work on the Orrery for a bit longer in silence, enraptured in the quick, precise movements of the Doctor’s hands.

“Starting to get a little Tim Burton, there.” You say, noting the shudders and brief unfurlings of you companion’s hands become more pronounced the longer she works. “I know you're not one for sleep nor being unproductive, but I think having a few other Dream Daughters to talk with about your projects might provide some insight as well as some rest for your body. Besides, I've been meaning to talk to Yurei and Lepisma. If you're not one for conversing with the dead, at least get to know your neighbors when you finally do decide to get some shut-eye."”

“I’ll be fine.” She replies with an irritated scowl, more at herself than anything as she shakes her hands, massaging one with the other before peering over her glasses at you. “As for those two, I’d like to keep working, but I certainly won’t stop you if you wish to speak with them.”

She pauses, then…

“Shu?”

“Hm?”

“Thank you…for the drink.” She clarifies, holding your gaze a half-second longer before turning her attentions back to the series of nested spheres that make up the Void Orrery.

You nod, giving the Doctor one last glance before you close your eyes, empathic field reaching out to envelop Francine and, by extension, her Dream Daughters. It’s a smoother transition than you expected, for when you open your eyes again you find yourself staring out wide window that spans floor to ceiling in the boardroom you now stand in.

(Continued)
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>>3901021

The vista’s breathtaking, a city of chrome and glass stretching as far as you can see with an impossibly tall and inspiring needle of steel looming over its surroundings, a skyscraper in the truest sense of the word that spears into the heavens above. You’re snapped out of your awed reverie when you hear a chair creak behind you, turning to find a striking woman seated at the head of a long office table lined with symmetrical and expensive-looking chairs on either side. Jet-black hair frames her brown features, her piercing eyes studying you intently before her hands gesture in mid-air, and it takes you a moment of watching her graceful fingers slice through the air before you realize what she’s doing.

“I’m…I’m sorry.” You say, feeling a little guilty. “I don’t know sign lan…”

“…alibrate to your frequency shortly.”

The voice that suddenly springs to life in your mind comes in time with her fluid gestures, and she smiles at the sudden look of realization that flashes across your face.

“Ah, there we are.” She says, her pleasant accent singing across your consciousness as she rises from her seat and walks around the table to your side. “The Dream allows for a pure distillation of intent and thoughts, regardless of linguistic barriers. Some bits and bobs may get lost in translation, but it’s a small price to pay for the gift of communication.”

You blink, still somewhat taken aback at the regal-looking woman that now stands before you.

“You…can understand me, yes?” She asks, suddenly uncertain.

“…Yes. Sorry, I can.”

“Any apologies due are from my end of things, I assure you.” She smiles, giving you a small bow. “Zahira. Charmed.”

“Pleased to meet you, Zahira…though, if I’m being completely honest I was expecting ‘mad’, not ‘charmed’.” You admit, returning her bow in kind.

“Well, the whole affair could have been handled better on both ends, but there’s no use crying over spilled blood.” She replies cheerfully, catching you a little off-guard and reminding you more than a little of Johanna’s irrepressible gusto. “I over-reacted after having barely felled that Amalgam and caught an echo of that little foreign girl, so I must admit I overstepped in assuming you were her. After all, your threat level was incredibly high…it’s a compliment, really.”

(Continued)
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>>3901023

“I must admit I’m rather relieved to have found a like-minded host, though her self-preservation leaves much to be desired.” Zahira continues, striding over to the window to admire the colossal building outside. “Between her and the Dreamlands expert, I believe I may be able to eventually retrieve my companions from the Cord when we arrive...assuming the physician’s abandoned her current trajectory of intended non-existence, that is.”

“The Spiritus…were your companions in those shells you made?” You ask.

“Yes. Yes, they were.” She replies, her tone lowering a bit. “While their current iterations were wiped upon my death, there’s still their back-ups in the Cord. The people I knew may be gone, but…it’s not forever.”

“I’m…sorry you lost them in the first place.” You say, quite unsure how to respond to her words.

“As I said, that’s on me. I miscalculated. I lost.” She brushes off, turning back to face you after admiring in the tower outside to her satisfaction. “I crossed an ocean of bloody beasts and abominable Daughters on a ship of flesh and bone, only to find you were a more formidable hurdle than any of that, by far.”

Zahira cracks a wry smile, a twinkle in her eye.

“Well done, Defiant.” She finishes. “If anything, I count this as a blessing. I’m rather tired of fighting for the past fourteen months, I’m with several of my like-minded peers, and I was lucky enough to be defeated by someone that’s taken the time to pay me a visit.”

“Well, I’m…glad you’re taking things in stride, at least.” You reply, and she just smiles again. The longer you interact with Zahira, the more certain you are that she and Johanna would either get along splendidly…or not at all. The thought brings a smirk to your lips, before it runs away again at the reminder of your Dream Daughters’ new roommate, for better or worse.

Now, you’re not sure if it’d be worth it to stay with Zahira for a while longer or continue on to Yurei, so as not to linger too long in Francine’s subconscious.

Nice to know the Silver Key seems to be making things a little smoother, at least.

>>Ask Zahira about how she crossed the oceans, and her time overseas before you met her.

>>You’re curious; inquire as to how the Crucible’s changed in the time Zahira’s been awake.

>>Thank Zahira for her time, and take your leave to go visit Yurei before you wake.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours. Thank you for your patience, Gentlemen.)
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>>3901026
>You’re curious; inquire as to how the Crucible’s changed in the time Zahira’s been awake.
>Ask Zahira about how she crossed the oceans, and her time overseas before you met her.
damn, she was a foreign daughter? though, makes some sense. without Dorian, that would've been a much harder fight.
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>>3901026
>>Ask Zahira about how she crossed the oceans, and her time overseas before you met her.

Ah, so you're actually someone nice that we could have made friends with if we hadn't gotten so freaked out on both sides. Whoops. Sorry about your Dream Daughters. I think you're the first person we've eaten who actually was close with their own Dream Daughters. Nobody else has really brought it up, the fact that their passengers don't get absorbed with them. Well, we're planning on bringing everyone back, so we'll make sure you're reunited.

So, foreign Daughter. Name is Arabic, likely comes from the Middle East. I can't guess anything more specific than that, though, it's a pretty common name not tied to any particular region. Been awake a while, too. Makes sense given how tough she was. Well, feel free to take a break and hang out in the Dreamscape for now. Try hanging out with Vultha next time Dorian's Dreamscape is available, I think you'd like him.
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>>3901045
>>3901029
its amusing that just last night i had the thought 'huh, you know, Lepisma was fucked, wonder what would've happened if we had tried talking to her at the end?'

but as it all goes, this was less a mistake and more just the inherent issues with being in a giant death tournament. sometimes(both in fighting her in general and not giving her a chance at the end), you just cant really take a risk. plus, to be fair, she attacked us after we tried communication, so. is what it is.

her dream daughters are also a good example of one of the reasons why i really dont see becoming a dream daughter as at all a good solution to anyone's problems, if literally any other option is available.
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>>3901049
Yeah, becoming a Dream Daughter is only a solution if you can ensure that whoever eats you is immortal. Since that's not a thing you can do, Dream Daughterhood should be seen as a last resort means of survival instead of a first resort.
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>>3901023
>The vista’s breathtaking, a city of chrome and glass stretching as far as you can see with an impossibly tall and inspiring needle of steel looming over its surroundings, a skyscraper in the truest sense of the word that spears into the heavens above.
Okay, did some quick research and based on the "tall and inspiring needle of steel" then I'd guess we're in either Riyadh, Manama, Dubai, or an imagined vision of Jeddah with its tower completed. So Zahira is probably Saudi, maybe Bahrani or UAE.
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>>3901062
yeah, from what ive seen Arabs have a weird knack for making one single, excessively massive spire building in their cities. never understood that, but no harm no foul, they can do as they like.

not gonna lie though, the picture gives me more indian vibes, but i think thats just because the asian artstyle seems to either refrain or have trouble depicting more arab features. actually kinda curious which it actually is, now that i think about it. might have something to do with proximity too, as most asians are much closer and thus technically more likely to interact or care about india. also the line down her face probably doesn't help, and is far more common for such things in indias cultures.

speaking of that, India and China must of been absolute HELL. that massive compact population compared to anywhere else means more daughters grouped together, and possibly amalgams too, if thats based off the non-daughter population it converts at all. bet there was an excessive amount of pod slaying too, compared to most places.
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>>3901067
I think it's actually Native American Indian, not subcontinental Indian, this character design looks familiar. I think I've seen it before. But yeah, the manga style is generally pretty bad at conveying ethnicity, it's why you get all those blonde-haired blue-eyed characters who are supposedly Japanese. The artists know the characters don't look Asian anyway, so why not have fun with it?

And agreed, urban India and China would be living nightmares. The rural regions would be better off, but the cities would be awful. Though I guess that's kind of a theme of apocalyptic fiction, isn't it? Cities always go bad, whether because they're full of people to transform or a tempting target for WMD strikes or just because without large-scale infrastructure they starve. Decentralize, that's the message of the apocalypse.
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(Gentlemen, after Zahira addresses your questions, would you like to go ahead and transition to speaking with Yurei, or allow a vote for follow-up queries?)
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>>3901104
Yurie please
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>>3901104
I guess a follow-up vote, just in case she says something we want to follow up on. Hard to know if we want to skip that part before we've heard what she has to say, you know?
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>>3901104
Yeah, a new vote is probably best id say.
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>>3901026

“You said you crossed the ocean, and you’ve been awake for quite a while.” You echo, walking over to the window and taking a spot beside her as you speak. “How has the Crucible changed, and how’d you cross the sea? You made it a long way for being so…”

“…Weak?” She supplies, giving a small, soft laugh at your shocked expression. “Yes, I suppose I was. You see, when I crossed the ocean, I wasn’t alone. My friend Aahna found me, as she’d been awake for about three months before I woke. We met three other women that joined us as we traveled east, though when we found the ocean quite impassable at our current level, we then turned around and promptly headed west. By the time the five of us finally crossed land and sea, only four of us crawled to shore when the ship finally encountered an Amalgam we couldn’t fend off.”

Zahira’s smile fades as she speaks, looking past the spire and into the depths of a memory she doesn’t relish recalling.

“We never found Aahna’s body, but…she was the strongest of us.” Zahira continues, lost in thought. “She carried us with power, kindness, and patience…we didn’t realize how much she really did for us until we were forced to strike out on our own. We kept going west, until…one by one, I brought them with me, after they fell. I began to understand how Aahna must’ve felt, with the burden of…”

She doesn’t realize her expression’s fallen, a sad look in her eyes as they meet yours and she realizes she was caught in a doleful reminiscence.

“Forgive me.” She says, her ever-present smile suddenly returning to her lips. “It’s been through the efforts of others and my own preparation that I made it this far. I’m thankful for everything they did…though I must say, I won’t miss the stress. Now, to more succinctly answer your questions…”

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>>3901160

“There are far fewer Amalgams now, as opposed to when we started…so much so that a shortage of food that isn’t Daughters is now an inevitability, which I’m certain is by the Crucible’s cruel design. Additionally, the general power scaling of Daughters appears to have spiked as well, presumably to make it so that late-risers aren’t completely overwhelmed. ” Zahira explains, clasping her hands in front of her as she recalls some relevant facts. “As for how I made it over, we first heard about ships ferrying daughters to the Americas from a rather striking Unnatural Predator and her allies, after they helped us turn the tide in a losing battle. Following their directions to Duisburg Port, we found and chartered a vessel for no small amount of biomass and Relics.”

“This may be a stupid question, but why not just take a waystation? Or fly, since the ocean’s so treacherous?” You ask, watching as Zahira’s face shifts from a sudden flash of anger to a pallor of fear, before settling back down.

“The coordinates of waystations were…suppressed, by certain powerful factions. For profit, typically. There were some loose coordinates floating around, but they were either closely guarded, available at too steep a price, or outright traps by certain predatory groups.” She recalls with a considerable degree of scorn. “As for flight…it became apparent fairly early on that the Crucible has harsh punishments for those that would fling themselves too far skyward. Sudden storms, avian Amalgams…retribution proved to be swift and merciless, indeed.”

“Good to know, on both fronts.” You reply, sharing Zahira’s disgust at the use of lifelines as tools for cruelty.

“Unless you intend to venture overseas, I’m afraid I really don’t have much else of interest to you, I’m afraid. At least, not that I can recall at the moment.” Your hostess laments, giving you an apologetic bow. “Though I’d certainly be open to any other questions you have before you go speak with my future friend.”

You find yourself idly wondering how Yurei is going to cope with Zahira’s rather forward nature as you ponder whether or not there’s anything else you’d like to ask your…surprisingly pleasant ex-foe.

>>You did have something you wanted to ask Zahira, actually (Write-In).

>>Continue on to Yurei, as you have one or two things to ask her as well.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next one and a half hours.)
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>>3901161
>"Just one last thing, before i go. any info or advice that you think my families goals could use? always possible that something useful about the Cord might have been having trouble crossing over, if what you said is true."
>Thank her for her time, then...
>Continue on to Yurei, as you have one or two things to ask her as well.
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>>3901161
>>Continue on to Yurei, as you have one or two things to ask her as well.
>>Write-In
>"No, I think I'm good. I'm going to go check in on Yurei now, see how she's doing. Got to make sure your new friend is feeling alright."

I think Yurei would actually do well to make friends with Zahira. Both very interested in the digital immortality aspect of the Cord, but with Zahira having a much more healthy and less obsessive take on it. And both of them in the head of someone that wants to die. Ah, it's like a horribly dark sitcom.

Also, the part about flying Amalgams attacking flyers does worry me that the Disassociated's launch might be interrupted by the flying Apocalypse Amalgam, now that it's been unleashed. Do you think Cassandra knows about that thing, with her widespread network? Maybe we should call her up on the FuzzBuzz we left with her, just to make sure.
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>>3901199
im very positive she and the DOs know. she just knew way too much already to not find something that important and probably unhidden out.

also, we really have a made a pretty 'no nonsense' little group here with Francine and her headmates. hopefully, that means they'll get along well. and hopefully they are all just different enough to knock all their stubborn bad scopes about a bit. if not, im sure other dream daughters will at least do so with Yurei and Zahira. really do think Francine would enjoy these two though, if she would just stop being so stubborn as to work herself into being stop motion. c'mon Fran, your a doctor, you of all people should KNOW you shouldn't push the body like that! theres a joke here about a family of fools getting the most foolish 'West' around i bet.
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>>3901160
Yeeeowch. I feel for her. I wonder if the fact that we kept fighting was only due to the sign language barrier?... Although with Neuromancy being involved, I am afraid that her death was a direct result of her own choice, she could have communicated if she wished so.

>>VOTE:
>1º) Tell her about the network with other dream daughters, so she can pay a visit.
>2º) Does she have experience dealing with..unpleasant or treacherous dream daughters? (Advice to Solve GEMMA situation)
>3º) HOW does she know enough to wish hack the chord? Did Yurei brief her, or is this common knowledge across the world? If so, how?

A warm farewell or something to go by would also be appreciated.(Hug would be too much?).She has suffered a lot.

The advice about hostile dream daughters would be important, because we had to deal with GEMMA, which could further betray us and Julia by siccing on us her Altered Altar evil alter ego or worse, and Isabelle would be catastrophic if she gets corrupted or (possibly) decides to betray us at the worst moment.
Given her Skilltree, LEPISMA possibly has the best kind of experience to counsel us on how to screen dream daughters, and see when something is going wrong....
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>>3901209
> "theres a joke here about a family of fools getting the most foolish 'West' around i bet"

SAVED FOR FUTURE REFERENCE & USE, GOOD SIR! Seriously, we have to use it, if the occasion presents itself and Francine makes this a bad habit. No hunger checks from sleep deprivation allowed on this crew, Doc!
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>>3901218
actually, i think Gemma said her AA personality was one of the non aggressive ones, and id assume she meant when not higher than the moon too. typically, the AA seem to be chill even without the drugs, albeit only from what little info we have on them. she is higher up in their ranks though, so if shes looking to force combination as much as possible too, she could still be an issue.

>>3901225
glad to be of service.
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>>3901199
>>3901209
(Contrary to the trials, tribulations, and chaos of the waking world, most Dream Daughter shenanigans involve a healthy dose of fluff and comedy...tinged with existential horror if they think on it too much, but mostly fluff and comedy.)

>>3901225
(Darkest Dungeon memes always warm my heart.)
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>>3901231
Glad to be of use ! Also thanks a lot for the scenes and conversation, we are getting a very good deal this thread! Lots of interesting people we get to know (but I still want MORE time with Francine, our resident Doctor has a special place on my hearth. Submit to the inevitable doom of our fluffy, smothering affection, you foolishly defiant doctor! ;-) )

If we are (un?)lucky, we will see what happens with Gina´s last corruption treshold...and probably, will get a taste of what she considers "kinky". Let´s face it, best girl has earned a bit of cuddling time, at the very least. Otherwise, we are going to assume Shu goes by the "silver ring" sorority rules to stay in character...
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>>3901231
makes sense, as not much else to do in the dreamscape id imagine but shenanigans. i mean, that and feeling the weight of your issues and mistakes weigh down on you like thousand pound weights, as you accidentally isolate yourself and sulk in the endless nothingness of the endless dream slowly turning nightmare from your own thoughts. but im sure that doesn't happen too often, probably. if only because its not like they have much to do to fix it going forward, though i suppose for some that might only make it worse.

>>3901246
maybe its just my personal take, but ive never liked the idea of seeing anything in a relationship(friend or more) as anyone 'earning' or 'owing' anything. feels like it misses the point and degrades the sincerity of the action. plus, could lead to some very bad places thinking like that too.
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>>3901246
>Submit to the inevitable doom of our fluffy, smothering affection, you foolishly defiant doctor!
Body Horror Quest: Friendship is Non-Negotiable. See, this is why Francine can't kill herself. Because if she does, we're just going to eat her brain and then she'll have no escape from the fluff. Alive, she at least can have a moment or two to herself here at the Forge.
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>>3901256
More like she wants to have private time with us. She is our closest confidante and friend, besides having spent very few time with us as of late, compared to the rest of the cast.

The important thing is the time together, and showing appreciation, doing special things, and catering a bit to her preferences...Many times, we lead people, and they simply follow. It is important to do things that we wouldn´t have thought of, and let them have the initiative to compensate.

This is intended into that regard, not for "trade, earn" in a materialistic sense. More of a Karma balance about letting people express themselves in the relationship.
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>>3901301
thats not how you worded your last message though. also, that just sounds like taking what i said was unhealthy, and dressing it up if different words as an excuse to ignore the points.
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>>3901303
Because it the EMOTIONAL, healthy part was misunderstood, that´s why it is expalined again in >>3901301. The fact that i Clarified the point is because i thought this wasn´t clear in the first place.
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(Back home and writing now, Gentlemen.)
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>>3901329
>implying treating things like a Karma balance isnt just as bad.
>Implying we dont already simply give full freedom to the party nor ever listen to them.
yeah, i think im just gonna have to disagree with you here and move on.
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>>3901329
>>3901329
>Implying thinking of things like that in terms of Karma is not the same thing.
>Implying we dont lead because thye want us to and nothing else.
>Implying we dont listen to them or their wants, and dont offer up any freedom to them.
yeah, no, im just gonna disagree with you here and move on.
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>>3901344
you know what 4channel? no, im keeping both here. because fuck you and whatever the hells been going on with you at times lately.
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>>3901161

"Just one last thing, before I go. Any info or advice that you think my family's goals could use?" You ask. "It's always possible that something useful about the Cord might have been having trouble crossing over."

Zahira ponders your question a moment, and just when you think she's come up empty-handed her eyes glint with the shine of recollection.

"Well, I'm not sure if you'll find something similar to it here, but..." She trails off, uncertainty creeping into her voice before she continues. "...some Daughters we met had said that there were tunnels, pathways leading deep underground that weren't Waystations or anything of the sort. They retrieved some odd Relics from them, but a common occurrence was that the expedition teams couldn't go past a certain point of fifteen hundred meters or so. Some of the parties succumbed to Hunger, while others started having visions...of what, no one could recall. If you're looking for things that the Crucible would rather you avoid for it's own sake, then that's as good a place to start as any, if you know of such a place."

"Alright...excellent, I appreciate that. If there's anything else you can think of, please don't hesitate to tell Francine, if you would...and I usually keep the empathic field open so that all the Dream Daughters can visit each other. Pay them a visit, if you're feeling up to it. They're good people." You say, and you both then say your goodbyes as she leads you to the office's door. You can feel the Silver Key thrum in your pocket even as you close the gap between you and the frame, and intention is made manifest when the world tilts, bringing you to the middle of Yurei's study.

"Ah. Hello, Defiant." She says, a little out of breath as she rises to her full height, surrounded by half-empty boxes filled with books, papers, and bric-a-brac of all kinds. "Forgive me, I wasn't expecting you so soon."

"Are you...unpacking?" You ask incredulously, glancing about at the partly-lined shelves that surround the room, a heavy oak desk in the center with a comfortable-looking leather chair nestled behind it, and complete with a gently-crackling fireplace a safe distance from the matches set.

"Not quite." Yurei relents, surveying the mess. "When one moves into another's Dreamspace, there's usually a rather forceful shunting of ideas, memories, and the like into the new space. I opted to take things slowly. Acclimate my mind, if you will."

"So you're...emotionally unpacking?" You rephrase, and Yurei just blinks, staring at the open boxes at your feet.

"I...yes." She admits, a little bashful. "If you want to put it that way, then sure."

"Anything I can help with?" You offer, though it's met with an arch of the older woman' eyebrow.

"I hope you don't mind my saying, but you've picked your way through enough of my head for one day." She replies good-naturedly, and you really can't blame her.

"So, what brings you to my mind once again, Defiant?"

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, I shall be pausing here for the evening. As much as I would like to continue, I am afraid I'm having some difficulty in staying awake, so I believe I shall try and get some rest. Voting shall remain open for the next thirteen hours, with posting to resume in roughly fourteen, give or take. What I'll likely do is continue this Vein into part of next week, much like I did with the previous one. I can't promise many updates this weekend, but my normal posting schedule shall resume Monday morning. I'll be available to address any questions, comments, and concerns you may have, and I do hope you have a superb weekend, one and all.)
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>>3901456
you get some sleep BHOP, you earn it more than you seem to think. DONT take after Francine here BHOP, learn from your own writing!
sounds good on the timing, and dont force yourself to write over the weekend if you cant, or more than you can.

ill save the question i have for later then, so you can get some shut eye.
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>>3901462
(Go ahead and ask, if you're up for it. I can't promise I'll answer tonight, but it'll give me some time to think about it. Also, I intend to update the Calcite Halo stat gains this weekend, so I'll link you to that once I post it.)

(As a side note; one Anon reached out on Twitter and said they hadn't been able to catch up easily due to their work blocking the site and archive, both. Is there a way anyone knows of how I might either download the archive and send to them, or some other sort of workaround I coukd advise them of so I can help them out?)
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>>3901471
im sorry but i cant help you on the second. i sued to write out all my posts in a google Doc and save everything there, over archiving, in one of my old quests, so thats all i could think to offer is something similar.

mind you, the archive site i think somewhere has instructions for DLing a thread to save, so that might work, but i myself could not help withthat process, only that i know ive seen said info on the archive site somewhere.

as for my questions, ill post em, but neither i guarantee you will feel up to for tonight most likely.

>when you have a moment, id like you to go over the Character Sheet and see if I got things right, and what I missed. I've been adding a [Kadath] tag to appropriate abilities, though I am unsure of if I got them all or were wrong on some.


>So, just how does Hybrid dilution work, if you are ok with elaborating a bit?(Excuses, Francine, Wests notes). We know anything over 3 typically starts to dilute the abilities actual effectiveness, but how and just how potently? Alot of my thoughts comes on late game thinking. As Abilities never get fully locked out of being hybridized, it seems like even if just for the raw, incredible base stat boosts you would get, even high level hybrids you would want to continue to hybrid once at max level, especially because it doesn't really ever lock out the hybrid materials unless it is an ‘upgrade’ to it, albeit I think we have seen it where the upgrade still significantly changes the abilities its locking out, but still meant to be an improvement. Is there a risk of this starting to instead negatively affect abilities? Or is more akin to eventually hybrids are diluted to the point they are just basic effect and damage increases for the abilities they are made of, or something? Or even worse, do hybrids eventually literally just becomes giant stat increases, and nothing else? I mean, again, those would be some meaty stat increases per level id imagine, so still probably worth it, but still.
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>>3901451
>shrug, and take a seat with her, so she can rest.
>"Honestly? in part, i just wanted to check on you and see how you were faring."
>"we may of had our, well, significant differences, but that cant mean i dont still wish you well in here."
>sigh, and chuckle a bit.
>"Turns out, your new neighbor had a similar situation with me as us. Two people not necessarily wishing ill on eachother or the world technically, but still coming to blows..."
>"how... are you holding up with all that? you seemed to at least come to terms with things at the end there... but thats different than actually agreeing with it or having no leftover issues with it at all. "
>Sit up straight and fold your hands in your lap, giving her both a genuine smile and attention.
>"Well, im willing to listen still, even if our points seems to all be out in the open for the most part."
>after she says anything, ask her one last, but very important thing.

>"Oh, and im sorry, and understand it might be a...difficult topic but, as a Vitruvian... could you tell me more about it and mental corruption?"
>Let your shoulders sag a bit, as you continue.
>"I... happen to have two people, one in need of help, one i hold dear, both who... i cant help but worry how much that itself has been the issue, just as much about the aspects of their personalities that made them Vitruvians in the first place. and... i feel bad just thinking about it in those terms, but it wouldn't do anyone any good to ignore the fact such corruption is real either."

reposting vote as one line was bugging me.
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>>3901451
>"Nothing in particular. I just like to make a habit of checking in on the party's passengers. See how they're doing, make sure they're comfortable in their new circumstances. We, you know, killed and ate all of you. It's the decent thing to do after that. So, you're settling in well?"
>"Oh, speaking of settling in, thought I should tell you that your neighbor in here wants to meet you. Remember that silverfish woman you pulled out of Francine, Zahira? Well, she's really interested in your work and wants to make friends. So expect a visit sometime soon, once you're done unpacking. I think you'll like her."
>"Other than that...well, I'd be interested in continuing our conversation on the Crucible's weird interaction with entropy. I'll admit, I just assumed it was cheating to make it look like it was violating conservation laws, teleportation or extradimensional storage or something. It sounded like you had evidence that it was actually breaking them? I'd love to hear more."

>>3901456
Go get some sleep, BHOP. And have a nice weekend, if we won't be seeing much of you until Monday. Thanks for running.
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>>3901456
I think...I found a very fitting theme song for Francine and November as it deals with...suicide. Turn on captions for translated English lyrics. It's very poetic. That and I feel like Violet Evergarden's main character would be a good parallel reference for Francine and November.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HTAKT-JIaA
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>>3901529
(Considering I really loved Violet Evergarden, I doubly appreciate you sharing this. It's beautiful, and it'll be fantastic to listen to when writing their more emotional scenes or trying to get in the headspace to write them.)
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right, well nows as good a time as any;

Relic;
>GOODWILLS GESTURE; this small, homely pendant that looks like it was expertly and lovingly knitted together by a grandma using hair and tendons in place of yarn, woven in the shape of two friends hugging before a long goodbye, allows the wearer to tag one Augment or Passive from an ally. This tagged Ability may then instantly for a free action be swapped between the two at will, though only one may ever benefit from it at a single point in time. Goodwill and caring goes a long way, and can make all the difference in beating the ever loving shit out of the Crucibles many bullies.

made this with November in mind.


Ability;
>GRAVITON DOME(Neuromancer/Neuromancer/Phantasmal Conduit Hybrid); Gravity, that powerful force that keeps us all nicely on solid ground, now yours to bend. For an absolutely significant Terraforming cost, one may make a large, extra large, or massive zonal area of graviton manipulation in a Dome centered on their current position, altering Gravity in either direction within the zone, including past zero and into reverse, which counts as neither an Aura or a Terrain effect, counting instead as its own effect upon the area until further manipulated, taking time even after a fight to dissipate. While a difficult power to put to use, especially as one is not immune to such effects themselves, and the effects of the Dome are immune to both yours and other Terrain and Phantasmal protections, for those that master such a finicky, possibly self destructive art, well, the limits will now be theirs to control.
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>>3901451
>Things the Crucible would rather you avoid for its own sake
The bone-and-stone burrowing Gheist daughter we fought under the mountain our home rests on always did seem like it was more important and ominous than the attention we'd given it.
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>>3901655
but thats not the case. we didn't even know about waypoints before then, and explored that cave to find it was nothing but that. we gave it plenty of attention, and BHOP himself steered us in a different direction with what he presented as the payout for that.
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>>3901663
Agreed, the payoff for the mines was just the Waypoint, I don't think it's silly for us to think differently. But it could explain why the Bone Ghost went crazy, if she made a habit of exploring underground and found one of those cthonic madness tunnels. Maybe there's one in a connected cave system leading off from these mines, and she wandered from them over to us. I'm not sure I want to go exploring for it, though. We're no Orpheus, even if we delved into the underworld to bring back our lost lover. Exploring an underground labyrinth of madness is the stuff of my nightmares.
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>>3901538
I'm not sure if you're a blizzard or a diablo fan, but this video by itself gave me chills in regards to how horror and body horror is done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmKZaMDmwCo
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>>3901669
im also wondering if its even actually the right choice. think about it, the crucible WANTS a 'Mother of All', and while we may not exactly know enough to know if we want to actually BE that, we do know its not supposed to be a bad thing for the species from the sounds of it. and yet said caves supposedly lead to things the crucible DOESN'T want, which seems like it would thus be odd for anything heavily related to the 'Mother of All' besides perhaps simply info to be down that direction.

mind you, fuck the Crucible and what it wants, its still an enemy, but thats different reasons to go down there, and still doesn't solve the issue of if our actual goals would actually be helped by doing so. maybe, but its sounding like some pretty iffy territory there, and i think the biggest issue for me at the moment is, if nothing else, its implied doing so would be a long trip we arent coming back from for awhile. and that could be dangerous, very dangerous, even if we return successfully.
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>>3901670
Speaking of body horror video games, anyone interested in a fun fifteen minutes should download the demo for Carrion. Really cool experience, being this horrible mass of tendrils and fangs tearing its way through a research lab.
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>>3901675
I would also like to point out a specific term that you said.
>the crucible WANTS a 'Mother of All'
But is it what the Crucible 'needs'?

There's got to be some reason why the Crucible has its underground tunnels. If the Crucible strain itself has things to hide, then it would've blocked the tunnels and sealed it away. But the fact that those tunnels exist means there's something of a holdover that allows brave daughters to plumb its depths and a deeper reason that allows Daughters to explore.

Something clicked and it's bothering me greatly.
>Julia's dreams stem from living near a purified Sparagmos Engine, which prompted her to create the "Favored's Reward" Sculpture
>The Favored's Reward bares an uncanny resemblance to the Void Orrey
>The Void Orrey is not of Hexane make.
>Dorian's dreams stem from having a Corrupted Sparagmos Engine (Corrupted/Modified by Ozmas), which gave Dorian insight into the Odyssey of Charon and Ozmas in the previous cycle.

The Corrupted Engine gave daughters dreams of the Hexane civilization because the Engine was tainted by Hexane hands, yet the Purified Engine gave Julia dreams about the Void Orrey and the general cycle of the Crucible Virus. So wouldn't logic imply a connection between the race that made the Sparagmos Engines and the Void Orrey?

The Void Orrey was a intergalactic Star map that tracked star systems and currently keeps active track of ongoing active Crucibles, and wasn't made by the Hexane (the previous crucified Civilization), which means the Void Orrey predates the Hexane Race. Additionally the Forges and the Sparagmos engines also predate the Hexane Civilization.

>>3901451
>"Well, I'm not sure if you'll find something similar to it here, but..." She trails off, uncertainty creeping into her voice before she continues. "...some Daughters we met had said that there were tunnels, pathways leading deep underground that weren't Waystations or anything of the sort. They retrieved some odd Relics from them, but a common occurrence was that the expedition teams couldn't go past a certain point of fifteen hundred meters or so. Some of the parties succumbed to Hunger, while others started having visions...of what, no one could recall. If you're looking for things that the Crucible would rather you avoid for it's own sake, then that's as good a place to start as any, if you know of such a place."

A system that feels straight out of Made in Abyss.

>>3901655
Bone Geist might have some seeds of truth in her mad rambling though. Let me go browse the archives and take a look.
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>>3901697
>Additionally the Forges and the Sparagmos engines also predate the Hexane Civilization.
thats... entirely wrong, we have been told more than once both the forges and engines are Hexxane in origin.
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>>3901697
also, the Crucible isnt a perfect system or organism. it could be it cant NOT have the tunnels, or keeps them around incase it needs access to whatever is down there.
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>>3901709
forgive me for asking, but since we have time, can you paraphrase a source quote supporting the claim so I can search the archives to confirm it?
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>>3901697
>But is it what the Crucible 'needs'?
we dont have enough info to really know that nor do i think we have a reason to care. all that matters is what humanity 'needs' and nothing else.
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>>3901716
my god, i guess ill try, but not gonna lie, i both suck at finding that shit and there ALOT to go through, as i have absolutely no idea exactly where we had what conversations, or hell, what we talked about with people in what conversation. i mean, well, i do, sorta, but my point is there 30+ threads of info to try and remember exact things from, so, dont hold your breath is all im saying.
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>>3901722
I'll help by searching on my own. Sorry for putting you through this.
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>>3901722
Found a source quote:

>“It is a remnant of a civilization that saw fit to turn a virus into a tool, and failed utterly…there were many such Engines set up in advance of the Crucible’s coming to capitalize on the unique properties it grants Daughters, but the one there had been tampered with by Mother in the previous game.” The Contender explains. “They were meant to act as devices for the optimization of the mutations you accumulate during the Crucible. Additionally, it can fuse two or more Daughters together in harmony, to create a more perfect participant to end the Crucible as quickly and efficiently as possible. However, Mother warped it to distill the individual powers of Daughters into a consumable resource, allowing her to amass a vast amount of powers. Winning was easy for her after that, but it came at the cost of what she valued most.”

Curious. it said 'a' civilization, but doesn't really specify the Hexane civilization... it could be the wording however.
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>>3901729
so, seem even further back is when we learned, BUT, so far ive found this from Ginas notes, and i while its not perfect proof, i dont think its unfair to say Gina wouldn't think this for no reason nor if we had not learned it IC or had reason to think so. but again, looking for where she learned it too.


>22nd Vein
-Hex-
>Species that suffered through this shit before us. Mother/Charon only known living remnants, Forge and Engine are Hextech, but what about Halo? Hexane seemed to want to use Crucible for own ends. How? Engine and Forges are holdovers, how'd they tag them as essential objects pre-Crucible? They must've had time to observe and study the Crucible at a safe distance, so how many worlds did they watch get eaten?
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>>3901752
all that wording sounds exactly like what fits with the Hexxane though. both their culture and plans.
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>>3901697
>Julia's dreams stem from living near a purified Sparagmos Engine, which prompted her to create the "Favored's Reward" Sculpture
She didn't live that close. Her studio was on the other side of the mountain pass from the Dragon's Lair (side note, has she taken any of her pieces back to the Lair yet?), I doubt it was enough proximity to be affected.
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>>3901766
I mean, Amara's chrysalis was in the same town as the Lair, and she hasn't reported any visions. I think whatever caused Julia's dreams has to have a different source.
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>>3901766
>>3901769
Yet, Julia stated that she felt her dreams was affected by the engine in Mara's house.

>22nd vein
>It, too, is hewn from black stone…but where the other surfaces of the abode are reflective or pale, the Sparagmos Engine seems to exude a gentle light from its solid black spires, a far cry from the ravenous needles that adorned the corrupted machine that existed beneath Dorian’s familial estate.

>Julia pads up beside you, extending one clawed hand to the device’s surface, hesitating a moment before she musters the will to caress the warm, smooth surface of the gently humming machine.

>“My d-dreams…” Julia mutters to herself. “My sculptures…if D-Dorian was having inspiration from the engine b-beneath him, t-then was I…?”

>>3901538
It also brings a question to mind. If Mara's real body was the dragon body itself, is it possible for Mara to squeeze her real body into the posh penthouse that is the Dragon's roost?

And >>3901766 asked an important question: Did Julia bring her art pieces to the Dragon's Roost? what art pieces did she bring with her to display in her personal gallery?
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>>3901752
yeah, ive got nothing else. mind you, im preeeetty sure we have said or at least implied to Charon we thought both were Hexxane tech, and, not gonna like, they and Karma are a bit of dicks if they knew and never corrected us on that. which doesn't really fit heir personalities.

personally, both statements we have posted together, aswell as taking in how far back Karma was telling us that, feels like more than ample proof to me. at this point, i really cannot think it would be justified to have it be a bamboozle either, as too many sources would've even just off handedly told us off screen id argue by now if we were wrong on that.

>>3901766
dont think so, but its not like we have checked her or Dorians rooms or anything.

>>3901769
i dont think so. you also have to remember Amara was in a pod and then only outside it with Julia for like... a few days at best. Julia was there for weeks, Dorian too at his mansion, to get the dreams.
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>>3901775
>Yet, Julia stated that she felt her dreams was affected by the engine in Mara's house.
Huh. So she has. Strange. How big a range do these things have, then?

>It also brings a question to mind. If Mara's real body was the dragon body itself, is it possible for Mara to squeeze her real body into the posh penthouse that is the Dragon's roost?
My guess is that there's a landing pad on the roof that we haven't gone up to yet, where she'd park her real body before sending the avatar in.
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>>3901697
The logic of "corrupted Engine makes you see the Hexane, pure Engine makes you see the Void Orrery" has some interesting implications if it is because of the respective creators of those devices, now that I think about it. Because like you said, it also made Julia see the life cycle of the Crucible. Suggesting that the species who made the Void Orrery also made the Crucible. The idea has a certain sense to it, the people who made the Crucible would want a way to keep track of it. That could still fit with the Hexane making the Forges and Engines themselves, too. They made them after studying the Crucible, maybe they discovered the blueprints for the machines the Crucible's creators used to manipulate it. I don't know, not enough evidence to say anything conclusive yet, but just wanted to get the conjecture out there.
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>>3901097

>I think it's actually Native American Indian, not subcontinental Indian, this character design looks familiar.
That's Genderbent Geronimo (A famed Native American) from Fate/Grand Order. Originally the design for that character was that Geronimo was a guy in F/GO, but the fans decided to turn Geronimo into a girl in their fan art because who wouldn't want a dusky skinned Muscular Tribal Native American Woman?

>yeah, from what ive seen Arabs have a weird knack for making one single, excessively massive spire building in their cities. never understood that, but no harm no foul, they can do as they like.
Tower of Babel anyone? Considering their roots in Babylonian times, It would make sense.
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>>3901817
...wonder who DID invent all the Hexxane tech. we know Charon did the Halos, but what about the forges and Engines?

also, what the fucks up with the Forges being upgradable via sacrificing daughters to them? everything about the engines honestly fits perfectly with how we have been told about Hexxane culture, but the Forges? sure, i can see the crafting relics, and the incentive to work together and share biomass fits, but the T5 daughter sacrifice and general upgrade pattern really feels like a step outta left field for them.

honestly makes me wonder if whoever invented them was told to keep that part hidden by the elites for some reason. might fit, considering Charon only learned about that themselves later on. still brings up some questions though.
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>>3901826
I made a joke about atrocities being a universal catalyst for Crucible-based technology and BHOP said I was correct. So I'm thinking it might not even be a designed feature, and Forges just work that way all on their own. But it could have been intentional, I get the sense the Hexane leadership were actually fine with sacrificing people. Almath kept itself thriving somehow, after all. Diving into the memory-diaries should tell us for sure, but who has time for that? Not us, not now. Someday, I hope.
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>>3901826
Well Ozmas was the one that tinkered with it and made the discovery before Charon found out about it and reacted appropriately with disgust when looking at it in hindsight.

If we're going to get answers directly from the source we WILL have to read Ozma's biased personal journal.

>>3901830
This feels eerily similar to how Humanity's technological progress came about. Nuclear energy from nuking 2 cities, airplanes, machine guns, grenades, internet, etc. Much of those advancements came about from war and warcrimes in general. Advancements in Psychology came from doing experiments that psychologically tortured some people, Brain surgery made advancements from crude lobotomy, etc.

Crucible's technology came from the same tree called "WARCRIME" with cruelty as its base foundation.
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>>3901830
>>3901836
well, we do have other sources to talk to. i doubt the other Ascendants are clueless on that stuff.

>>3901836
i mean, people dont like it, but conflict and struggle really is a great catalyst for advancement.
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>>3901839
>i mean, people dont like it, but conflict and struggle really is a great catalyst for advancement.
Together with other factors. That's what always annoys me about villains who want to bring about war for the sake of advancement. They forget that the advancement also requires a strong economy isolated from the direct effects of the war. That's why America prospered, all our battles were overseas and so the infrastructure making those advancements wasn't damaged. Supervillains always want to have global war affecting everyone, which just doesn't work. You don't see major technology innovation in Liberia.
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>>3901852
well, i mean plenty of countries innovated at an increased rate, even while under direct threat. but yeah, its not the only criteria, i was just pointing out Hexxane, Human, or Crucible, it would very potentially be helping push things forward naturally.
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>>3901868
Oh, sure, I was just going off on one of my bugaboos. But yeah, it's got some advantages, in the right context. I think for humanity after the Crucible, fear of future conflict will drive a lot of our advancement. Lots of preparing defenses against other world-eaters and building ark ships to spread the species so we can't be taken out all at once.
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>>3901868
>>3901871
Come to think of it. Wouldn't it make sense for a Crucible strain to find its "Mother of All" Winner? and cut itself off from the rest of the still-competing strains?

Or to rephrase it better, how does a Crucible Virus reproduce in order to have a net gain on population?

Because it feels like if the Crucible keeps on having the "Mother" ascending and restarting the cycle, then it would just produce a single offspring and leave the host planet a dead barren rock if Charon's testimony of a "Mother" ascending the throne is to be believed, which just leaves us with a net change of 0 new Crucible Viruses and +1 Devoured planet.

Resetting the Cycle would destroy the host planet and make the Crucible Virus leave the host planet in search of another meal instead of hunkering down and reproducing multiple offspring.

So if a "Mother" ascending the throne leads to a cycle reset and no net population change, wouldn't a "Mother of All" lead to a population growth for a particular Crucible strain?

Because if the same rule applies for all of the Crucible Viruses out there where a "Mother" (loser) resets the cycle and a "Mother of All" causes the Virus to produce more than 1 offspring...then how is it possible for the Crucible Species to multiply so much over the aeons that the entire Milky way is saturated with Active Crucibles? Everything has to start from a base population or an origin point.
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>>3901871
yeah, and if we keep our new fancy crucible biology, those fields are gonna fucking go crazy. religion and mental/mind based stuffs also gonna take one hell of a turn, but we both know religions not going anywhere.
speaking of space races and the crucible, ive been mulling around a setting kinda based around that. obviously not the same, but similar principles to finding a crucible like being and said consequences for said space empire.
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>>3901877
Yeah, that's something I've wondered, too. It's possible our Crucible is just restricted from reproducing, some early modification to it by a clever Mother trying to curtail the damage it could cause. It's possible that it needs other conditions to reproduce, hopefully not the Mother of All. It's possible that there's something out there that makes new Crucibles, a "Grandmother" so to speak. I don't know. But the phoenix life cycle is weird, that's for sure.

>>3901880
It's going to have some challenges, though, what with everyone having digitized souls. Some religions will adapt better than others.

And yeah, a developed multi-system civilization encountering a Crucible could be really interesting. What does it do when it can't catch everyone at once, and the outsiders enact a rescue mission?
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>>3901883
Not to mention how the Civ would react to a Crucible showing itself to be fully sentient and capable of intelligence and interfacing with all of their technology.

I can imagine some Civilizations being torn between letting the Crucible's nature take its course and hope it fucks off in a different direction in the hope that the completion of the Crucible won't make it hungrier, or divert all of their resources into trying to rescue or destroy the Crucible virus and provoke its VERY SCARY planetary defense systems and fuel its Gestation process and make it more dangerous once it completes its evolution.

>Crucible: "Look I'm sorry I had to land on Planet X, but this is really REALLY important that I have to do go through this cycle!"
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>>3901877
>cut itself off from the rest of the still-competing strains?
if they are not working together on a technicality, sure. but we dont even know if they are at all connected in the first place.

we really really simply dont know. the issue is, unless lifes literally more places than not, all we can conclude is theres a shiton of crucibles that have somehow been multiplying without a 'Mother of All', or there were always more than necessary in preparation for losing some along the way. but we'll see, as we go forward i guess.

>>3901883
yeah, it'll be interesting.
who knows? maybe it just doesnt care, and goes one planet at a time. it could just not care about empires in that sense.
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So I woke up early, couldn't get back to sleep, and went reading an old Vein (#30, the one with Charon and Ringo, because I wanted cute space doggo conversations). And I noticed something about the Altered Altar that Gemma mentioned in passing and we didn't pick up on:

>They're all just sitting around getting stoned and waiting for their black-eyed prophet-founder to save the world. Grey-eyed? Whatever.

Grey-eyed? Who do we know who is referred to by their grey eyes and is trying to save the world? I think the Altar was founded by Mara. It must have been an experiment in a similar vein to the Monastery, only with the addition of drugs to help with combating the Hunger. But then everyone got way into the drugs, things got weirdly messianic, and now when Shu shows up they're going to have big expectations of her as Mara's chosen protege/successor.
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>>3901451
Supporting>>3901496
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(Oof, Gentlemen. Work has been unexpectedly busy, so between that and the weekend plans, I may push the update back to first thing Monday morning. My sincerest apologies for the wait, but I would like to give it the attention it's due instead of trying to crank it out while stretched too thin.)

(I hope you have a great weekend one and all, and I'll continue to monitor the Vein for any questions that arise.)
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>>3902274
No problem, BHOP. I'm sorry your weekend is stressful. Take as much time as you need.
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>>3902274
Have a good weekend OP
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Made a character. It's heavily derivative if not an expy of another character (with bits of another from a comic I follow) that I unfortunately got really fascinated and attached to in a story that constantly shits on them, but whatever. It worked well as a framework and I think the story works well for the Crucible. It was real fun coming up with appropriate abilities and how she came across them. Kind of detailing a journey using the character sheet. I may even have added too much perhaps. Not for the abilities though, since I just look at the Defiants sheets or the Pepperbox Gang and their multiple maxed out abilities and I just think "eh, it's probably fine". Made a Stacks queen who makes areas of Fuck You. Next character will be more original though, I promise. But this was damn good practice.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RrmtZw9ZgcPBSyCYk0vh9J2-a8kyFqm6NLulrU0qS9w/edit?usp=sharing

And a song to go with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s2XGSnKYBU
I thought about going with Karma by AJR, but then I heard this and thought it was better.
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>>3901663
>>3901669
Pretty sure we identified pathways that went deeper and ignored them.

And based on what we're hearing, BHOP might've steered us away because we were underleveled.
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>>3902548
(Just glanced over this in advance of giving it and the story posted at the start of the Vein their well-deserved time, but I'm already excited to read more! I like the level of detail you've provided, as well.)

(Also, good to see another AJR fan.)
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>>3902548
Wow, a version of Amy that's capable of remorse and recognizing why what she did was wrong. That's refreshing after what Ward made of her character. I like it. The inspiration is pretty obvious if you're familiar with it, mostly a direct expy, but you made a good show of elaborating it out and making her feel like a proper character instead of just a reference. I really like what you've done with her abilities, too. They're a potent and nasty set, and while I can see the inspiration for each of them (the "this is who she got the power off of" bit makes it pretty obvious), you took those inspirations in interesting ways that really fit the Crucible incredibly well. Lovely job.
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>>3902810
I expected it to be obvious for anyone familiar, and yeah I'm not a fan of her character assassination in Ward. Though I suppose it is correct about one thing: anger can make an effective motivator. I also included a bit of Alice from Dead Winter, a nurse whose a crack shot and becomes the best friend of the MC.

I thought about also using the Crimson Cord mechanic, but perhaps that will be an unfortunate surprise that arises if/when Claire successfully heals her sister.
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>>3902274
sounds fair, you do what you need to BHOP, and try and find time to enjoy your weekend, ok?

>>3902620
no, we didn't, we have ourselves seen nothing like what our new Indian ally is mentioning. and BHOP so far seems to balance things around our level, instead of arbitrarily hiding them from us. id assume to avoid us constantly having to backtrack or unfairly hiding something from us he knows theres no IC logical reason for it to happen, but those would be questions to ask him.

regardless, i think it makes sense America might have extremely few while it seems India might be teeming with them, and BHOPs far from the type not to do something along these lines. see, so far, we actually have pretty ample proof that everything in the Crucible survives and is where it is for some reason, instead of being actually random. Locations survive through their significance to the race, Waystations form from significant communication hubs or to ensure Daughters can leave an isolated location. even things like the mountains, rivers, and forests we have reason to believe have some bearing based off the old world. we dont know for sure, but id doubt the Engines and Forges location was chosen randomly either, even if only picked by the hand of Mother.

why too, would these be different? my personal guess would be, Religion/Enlightenment. India is honestly a much more spiritual place than most on the planet, and their religion is also... quite different, in how it thinks on things, compared to most, even if you dont want to go with religion specifically. i can totally see a contrast where if this is even only slightly on the mark, India would have such a network under them while America would have so few Sugar is the only one even hinting at them, and being a Terraformer we still dont know for sure hoe accessible hers actually was.
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>>3902548
here's the real question: if She's a Stacks queen, is Ruby herself "Stacked"?
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>>3904053
Sadly, I already described her as "modest" in that department.
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>>3902548
You did a really good job of reinterpreting the character into the quest. It's a testament to how bad off she is in the source material that she seems better off in the flesh scape.
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>>3904577
Thank you. Thinking about the abilities was the most fun part. I just kept getting neat ideas. Some replacements were made too. Rubrum Nubis originally had a plankton Hive Mistress component instead of an infection-based Humoral Paladin, while Ascension's Shadow was called Road Not Taken and had a Humoral Paladin component instead of a Phantasmal Conduit.
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>>3902920

>>CALCITE HALO (Lvl 2) - (HEALTH +80%, HEALTH REGEN +40%)

(The basic text is unchanged, it was just the stat gains that were overwritten by my erroneous copy-paste.)

>>3894230

(Kelly's Story Part 1: I had a marvelous time reading this, and I can tell you had fun writing it, in turn. Kelly's interactions with the world and the Fleshscape itself is a delight to read, and both combat scenes were tense and well-written, with the sheer desperation of low-level combat really shining through. I'm quite looking forward to where you go with this, and thank you so much for sharing.)

>>3902548

(A superbly written character overview and a host of clever abilities proved to be a joy to read. In the interest of full disclosure, I really enjoyed Amy's character in Worm, so seeing the inspiration is quite fun. What's the comic character you were referencing, if I may ask?)
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Fuck Shu.
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>>3905041
alright, sheets up to date now then, thanks.

>>3905069
Shus only around 3 weeks old, you sick monster!
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>>3905041
>What's the comic character you were referencing, if I may ask?
Alice from Dead Winter. Just a bit though. I wanted Claire to get her peppy personality by the time she's with the caravan (an idea from a previous Vein, now with wheel skeletons) but I wanted to include some snark and Razmi-style dark humor more, so I made it that it's a result of trying to be nice and friendly but sort of failing.
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"Honestly? In part, i just wanted to check on you and see how you were faring." You say with a shrug, settling down on what you hope is an appropriately sturdy box across from her. "We may of had our...significant differences, but that doesn't mean I want you to languish in here."

You heave a sigh that turns into a bit of a chuckle when an amusing thought occurs to you.

"Turns out, your new neighbor had a similar situation with me as you and I did. Two people not necessarily wishing ill on each other or the world technically, but still coming to blows..." You continue, trailing off when you realize Yurei's just listening, watching you with a curious look in her eye. "How are you holding up with all that? You seemed to at least come to terms with things at the end there... but that's different than actually agreeing with it or having no leftover issues with it at all."

"I'm pleased to see you're not so naive as to assume my mind's been changed solely because of your victory." Yurei replies, her words lacking any sort of bite or bitterness, serving merely as idle observation as she continues on brusquely. "While we may have our fundamental differences philosophically speaking, there's no reason we can't be civil, regardless. To answer your question, I'm quite alright. I don't intend to sequester myself in my own space, if you're worried about that; I'm among two of my peers, intellectually and professionally, and I won't waste the opportunity that affords me."

"I'm glad to hear that, truly." You say, sitting up a little straighter as you prepare yourself to ask your next question. "So, there's something I wanted to and understand it might be a...difficult topic but, as a Vitruvian...could you tell me more about it and mental corruption?"

Yurei arches one dark eyebrow, holding her tongue as you continue to elaborate.

"I... happen to have two people; one in need of help, and one I hold dear, both who..." Your voice falters, and to your own surprise you find your throat working harder than you expected as citrine and emerald flash in your mind's eye. "I can't help but worry how much that itself has been the issue, just as much about the aspects of their personalities that made them Vitruvians in the first place. and...I feel bad just thinking about it in those terms, but it wouldn't do anyone any good to ignore the fact, either."

Yurei weights your question carefully, inhaling slowly before exhaling almost meditatively.

"I'm no expert in Vitruvian corruption, but I have to confess that being freed from my physical has put my waking world thought processes into some troubling context." She admits, a scowl creasing her face. "Vitruvians typically fall into one of two categories in both mind and power; those that resist change and those that throw themselves into it...both of which threaten to be unhealthy, if left unaddressed."

(Continued)
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>>3905620

"I belong to the first category, while your red-haired friend falls into the latter." She continues, bringing a lit cigarette to her lips that wasn't in her hand before. "I have to admit that I was...bull-headed, in my efforts. Too inflexible, by far. To threaten you when you spoke out against my beliefs was uncalled for, and for that, I'm sorry. Given the fellow Vitruvians I've encountered in the past, those with abilities similar to mine have proven similarly frustrating to deal with. Now, regarding your friend I must profess less of an understanding, but if I had to hazard a guess as to what corruption she may be dealing with..."

Smoke billows from Yurei's mouth as she quints at the bookshelf over your head, finding the best words to grant her thoughts shape.

"...flexibility carried several steps too far. A logical antithesis to the more static Vitruvians' hard-lined beliefs." She finally says, meeting your eyes. "Too willing to compromise, overwhelmed by being able to see all the factors in a situation. Getting pulled between several different points of inner conflict until you're simply torn apart."

You swallow hard as Yurei shrugs, taking another long drag on her false cigarette as she goes through the motions of her now-unindulgeable vice.

"That being said, social stability can do wonders to counter those mental pit-falls." She add airily, gesturing about with her occupied hand and sending errant smoke trails curling up to the ceiling. "I chose to stay focused on my self-appointed mission to the detriment of allies...at least, ones that I interacted with outside of the professional sense."

You nod, drinking in her words and mulling over the implications for Rath and B'ni, both. While you can see the similarities between Yurei and Isabelle's similarly unwavering mindsets, you're somewhat at a loss of how Vitruvian corruption might crop up in Rath, at least without any obvious examples of a similar Daughter to compare her with...maybe Kosi?

In any case, Yurei crosses and un-crosses her legs, watching you impassively and awaiting any other questions you have, likely pleased to have an excuse to put a pause on her own self-reflection.

>>"From what I understand, the Calcite Halo used to be Mara's. I saw that you and she seemed to be on friendly terms, so what's the story between you two?"

>>"You seemed confident in the Crucible's ability to provide the nigh-infinite energy needed to go through with your plan. I'm no engineer, but I'm curious as to why you think you're able to just hand-wave a hurdle like that."

>>Thank Yurei for her time, and wake up. You'd like to spend some time with your waking allies and you think you've taken up enough of Francine's time, for now.

>>You still have one or more Dream Daughters you'd like to touch base with, while you're at it. You could tackle it later, but you'd like to have a (hopefully) dreamless rest when you finally let true sleep claim you.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen. I do hope everyone had a good weekend, and that your morning is going well.)
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>>3905622
I had a nice weekend....we didnt get to finish our campaing finale but we still got some awesome loot. I also started a bit on writing chapter 9......... And i got home from work after about half a day today so that was nice

>>3905621
>"Say that engine of yours.. How many charges does it have left to revive someone? Does it have any left?"
>Gesture around to her boxes
>"Say your a high level Conduit. Is there a way to safe your dreamdaughters from being deleted once you die? Even if you yourself are revived later i think they are still gone... At least the one Gina had and that i never got to talk with was gone when we revived Gina..... And i would like to make sure that no one is truly gone even if one of us should die"

>"Anyway. The Calcite Halo used to be Maras. You seemed to be on good terms from what i could see in the Dreamscape. Whats the Story behind that?"
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>>3905621
>"From what I understand, the Calcite Halo used to be Mara's. I saw that you and she seemed to be on friendly terms, so what's the story between you two?"

>>3905627
Actually, none of Gina's dream daughters were deleted. It's just that we don't know Bella Nervosa that well.
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>>3905621
>>Thank Yurei for her time, and wake up. You'd like to spend some time with your waking allies and you think you've taken up enough of Francine's time, for now.

nothing else of any actual importance to ask Yurei, and both she and Francine deserve their time.

oh, and
>dont ask what
>>3905627
>is asking in the first part

>>3905627
this just feels way too silly to me. of course theres a risk of losing people permanently, we knew and thought that was a possibility in full for a good chunk of the quest, and still know it is. we cant let that stop us now, and starting to think or worry in those terms is pointless, as otherwise we may aswell not try here with anything at all. it feels way too limp spined out of absolutely nowhere over an issue we may never escape from and already had to have come to terms with to be doing what we were.

also we didnt lose anyone when Gina was consumed, the Halo prevented that, so asking that part makes no sense.
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>>3905638
>>3905627
>>3905644
>"I'm no expert in Vitruvian corruption, but I have to confess that being freed from my physical has put my waking world thought processes into some troubling context." She admits, a scowl creasing her face. "Vitruvians typically fall into one of two categories in both mind and power; those that resist change and those that throw themselves into it...both of which threaten to be unhealthy, if left unaddressed."

>"I belong to the first category, while your red-haired friend falls into the latter." She continues, bringing a lit cigarette to her lips that wasn't in her hand before. "I have to admit that I was...bull-headed, in my efforts. Too inflexible, by far. To threaten you when you spoke out against my beliefs was uncalled for, and for that, I'm sorry. Given the fellow Vitruvians I've encountered in the past, those with abilities similar to mine have proven similarly frustrating to deal with. Now, regarding your friend I must profess less of an understanding, but if I had to hazard a guess as to what corruption she may be dealing with..."

>"...flexibility carried several steps too far. A logical antithesis to the more static Vitruvians' hard-lined beliefs." She finally says, meeting your eyes. "Too willing to compromise, overwhelmed by being able to see all the factors in a situation. Getting pulled between several different points of inner conflict until you're simply torn apart."

So that explains it. Isabelle wanted to stay and survive for the sake of another, thus the Regeneration type core ability and the stubbornness that manifests itself where her defining paradigm that kept her happy was Shu's affection being directed at Isabelle. But Rath? Tensile Strings is a flexibility type core which fits with her childhood struggles, having to cope with her big sister's death, trying to make up for her death by stepping in as a substitute, yet having this inner struggle and being torn between two directions where she wants to rebel against the church she grew up with.

And now Rath's having the same corruption problem flare up. Isabelle's not truly dead, and Rath's first impulse is to smash Isabelle to pieces at first opportunity. But at the same time, she can't because she trusts Shu, so that leaves Rath forced to chomp at the bit and tear herself apart on the inside.

tl;dr: Rath's mental corruption manifests itself as bursts of anger where Rath beats herself up if/when she's not given an outlet or a straightforward solution to the source of her anger. Rath can suppress and clamp down on her anger, but it comes at the cost of taking corruption damage. Give Rath too many plates to juggle, Rath gets overwhelmed by the mental corruption and she'll explode from the inside out and be literally torn apart due to the nature of her core.

>>3905621
>Thank Yurei for her time, and wake up. You'd like to spend some time with your waking allies and you think you've taken up enough of Francine's time, for now.
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>>3905644
Really? I thought there was someone we lost since we had absolutetly no chance to talk to her.... but maybe i am misremembering things

>>3905621
Ammending my vote from >>3905627
to
>"Anyway. The Calcite Halo used to be Maras. You seemed to be on good terms from what i could see in the Dreamscape. Whats the Story behind that?"
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>>3905648
nah, i think the issue is we didnt KNOW someone was in her head until after she was consumed, or soe would be my guess here. but the reason we have Meg, Kosi, and Bella at all is because the Halo prevented anyone from being lost.

>>3905647
well, it also depends on how far her mental corruption has gone, but a bit of info we failed to collect here is how fast Vitruvian corruption sets in, as we know some do start instantly over at level 10.

also, i think you're equating her issues and reactions too much to only the corruption, over the corruption simply making them worse.
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>>3905654
I think Rath's mental corruption's beginning to settle in at the same time as her physical corruption.
Her core ability Indignant Ignition is at lvl 5 and she's already showing the first signs of physical corruption (smoking skin and glowing eyes) since her Core ability hybridized at lvl 5 with Phantom Limb lvl 5 and Radiant Boil lvl 5 for a technical total of 10 lvls onto her core ability, the threshold for physical corruption.
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>>3905661
hrm, we'll have to ask someone about that (OOC and/or IC), as from what little has been discussed Hybrids are supposed to count as their own ability as far as i was aware, when it comes to corruption aswell, not stack upon the old. meaning true on Ignition starting to show, but any Vitruvian Corruption it is giving her should be an entirely separate corruption from her actual cores, and be both working in tangent with whatever else Ignition is giving her and on its own timer working up from level 1. it also brings into question how being a Hybrid is slowing/altering that.
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>>3905621
In priority order, from more to less important:
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>Asking about avoidance of DreamDaughter deletion as in >>3905627 (even if personally I think there is no way out). A tiny % save, a small chance and mad gamble should be the maximum we should be able to aspire, otherwise there is no adversity to struggle against.

> "From what I understand, the Calcite Halo used to be Mara's. I saw that you and she seemed to be on friendly terms, so what's the story between you two?"

>"You seemed confident in the Crucible's ability to provide the nigh-infinite energy needed to go through with your plan. I'm no engineer, but I'm curious as to why you think you're able to just hand-wave a hurdle like that."
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>>3905621

"From what I understand, the Calcite Halo used to be Mara's. I saw that you and she seemed to be on friendly terms, so what's the story between you two?"

At that, Yurei makes a sound that’s half chuckle, half cough as a wry smile creeps across her lips.

“Similar to yours, from what I gather.” She finally says, lingering smile cutting a bitter line across her face as she speaks. “Mara was patient, insightful, and…encouraging, as my ideas for humanity’s future started to take shape. She helped me iron out the details here and there, supplied me with some useful facts I’d have learned too later otherwise, but…I suppose when I look back on it all now, I realize that as much support as she gave. I doubt she ever truly bought into my plan.”

“What makes you say that?” You prompt, watching as Yurei struggles to find the words to describe the woman you both barely know.

“Well, she only ever asked pointed questions about myself or my ideas. The most I got out of her was her profession, though there was one time that she started talking about micro- versus macro-investments, but we’d had a drink or two, so…” Yurei trails off, her cigarette blinking out of existence as she leans back against her desk. “…you ever have one of those friends, or acquaintances, that get you talking and talking and talking, until it hits you one day that they now know everything about you and you know nothing about them? It was like that, essentially.”

She sighs, massaging the bridge of her nose with her left hand, eyes clenched tight as she continues.

“Even now, I’m not sure what all of it was about…I was just so caught up in ironing out my plan, and pleased that Mara seemed to validate it. When I’d finished the outline of how I planned to save everyone, she seemed…happy? Satisfied? In any case, she gave me the Calcite Halo and left after a few weeks of us traveling together, saying she hoped to see me at the Cord. Next I heard she was traveling with a woman named Magpie, but by that time I was starting to try and gather followers and resources, so I didn’t have time to catch up. I’m afraid that’s the extent of our dealings.”

Yurei shrugs, rising from her seat and glancing about the space as she surveys her self-made mess.

“Now, if you’ll excuse me I believe I have some chores to attend to. This has been…pleasant.” She says, the last word coming out tinged with genuine surprise. “I have no intention of being a stranger to either you or my host, so don’t trouble yourself with concern over me. I’ve no intention of being a hermit.”

She reaches out, offering her hand with a tired smile.

“Alright. Good luck, and if there’s anything you need help with, let me know.” You reply, shaking her hand and allowing a wave of appreciation and acceptance to flow across the empathic channel.

(Continued)
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>>3905749

The Silver Key shudders in your pocket, every pulse of the Relic causing the dream to fray at the edges until you’re left hanging in a lightless void, in the absence of memory.

The first thing you sense when you open your eyes is the weight of an extra layer of fabric draped over your shoulders. Shifting in your uncomfortable seat, you catch the lab coat as it slides off your back, congratulating yourself on your reflexes when you seize it successfully. You glance over to find the good doctor slumped on the table and dozing peacefully, her head resting on her folded arms. Taking care not to wake Francine from her well-deserved slumber, you drape her coat on her shoulders in turn, easing your way out of the Forge and back into the living room, proper. The sound of hushed voices emanate from the couch, and you squint as your eyes adjust to the dimmed lights to see Gina and Rath talking on the sofa, their voices low yet animated, and difficult to hear even as you approach.

“Hey, where’s everybody?” You ask, noting the absence of the rest of your family as you settle back onto the comfortable seat to the right of Gina, with Rath scooting over to sit on your right, as well.

“Amara said she was gonna go train, Aunt Heather’s tuning the Metall Geschoss, and the lovebirds are in there.” Rath quickly reports, nodding towards the half-opened door that leads to Julia’s bedroom. Your eyes widen slightly, snapping to Gina’s and catching the hint of an excited glint in her own.

“Wait…same room?” You ask for clarification, and GG just nods slowly, a wide grin spreading across her face.

“Same room.” She echoes.

“Oh shit.” You say, and Rath just snorts.

“Door’s still open and my man’s a gentleman, so both of you are getting worked up over nothing, in my opinion.” Rath says, shooting you both a half-amused glare. “My money’s on a confession or just a private chat.”

Gina sticks her tongue out at Rath for ruining her fun, to which Rath retorts with a quick poke of the other girl’s stomach, prompting a yelp of alarm from the brunette and a subsequent shushing from both you and your favorite brawler. Even when you laugh, you can feel the weight of exhaustion weighing heavily on your tired frame. You count yourself lucky, with your family and home…you’re not sure how well any of you would be dealing with everything that’s happened if each of you were alone in the Fleshscape.

But you’re not alone, and it’s up to you who you spend your time with before you let sleep claim you.

>>Head to your room for some private time with Gina. You both deserve it, and getting some rest sounds like the best thing in the world, at this point. Rath and November need to have an overdue talk, after all.

>>Spend time with both Gina and Rath. Given Yurei’s suspicions regarding Rath, you’d like to take the time to prompt her to maybe open up to you and GG, if she’s willing.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next two hours.)

>>3905741
>>3905627
(I'll go ahead and clarify that aside from certain high-tier abilities, rare augmentations, specially-crafted Relics, or the effects of the Neurotic/Phantasmal Halos, there is always a high chance of Dream Daughter deletion, with their dissolution almost certain upon the death of their Host Daughter.)
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>>3905750
>>Head to your room for some private time with Gina. You both deserve it, and getting some rest sounds like the best thing in the world, at this point. Rath and November need to have an overdue talk, after all.

>Glance at Gina and grin a bit
>"I think its time we have a little private time to just relax"

>Glance at Rath
>"If you want to come over and cuddle later.... i ask you to knock first over the network.... Just maybe dont listen to whatever Kosi is spouting"

>>3905751
Ah okay Well it could have been that at the level that her Samsara was that she basicly saved her dream daughters in there
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>>3905750
>Spend some time with Gina and Rath both.
>Ask both how they're holding up with all this, and if theres anything still on their mind they could use getting off their shoulders.
>Ask them what they think the best next move is, though mention you hoped to give everyone a bit more personal time come at least a bit of tomorrow, but technically that would be up to them.
>...Ask them how they feel about the plan, as malleable as it is, you all have layed out for defeating the Crucible, and in general how you have handled situations. as much as they have all mostly been in support of your actions, it still has been them following your example, but that doesn't mean they dont have nothing to say. and with how things are building up... it might be very important for you all to actually make sure your on the same terms in terms of plans and morality, even if you dont have to align perfectly, nor would expect to.
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>>3905755
>>3905751
>>3905654
Well now that Bhop has given his input, i think it’s prudent that we give Francine a Neuro halo. gotta have the bio equivalent of a memory card
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>>3905750

>>Head to your room for some private time with Gina. You both deserve it, and getting some rest sounds like the best thing in the world, at this point. Rath and November need to have an overdue talk, after all.

>> Look to Gina. "I'm going to follow my own advice to Francine and get some actual relaxation. Would you care to assist GG?"

>> Look to Rath: "If you wish to snug in later, I'm okay with it if Gina is, but you umm... may want to knock first..."
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>>3905758
Im not sure thats necessary. The dream backup and anti-consumption aspects are just inherent in all halos from what we have seen, not unique to the neuromantic.

Yurei just didn't get to keep her dream daughters i think due to her having to shut her halo off to allow us to consume her.

That, or she didn't have any, considering she never drew them out during the battle .
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>>3905750
>>3905757
also gonna add id very much prefer not to do either of these, especially with the implications there. doesn't feel like Shu nor a direction id like to go in.
>>3905755
>>3905762
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>>3905764
You bring up a good point. Maybe she stored the dreamdaughters she had somewhere else like like in the maid constructs or transfered into relics/forgecores/other daughters.

Or maybe she just had no dreamdaughters only feeding off Amalgams but i kinda think that is unlikely
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>>3905750
>private time with Gina
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>>3905750
Ammendign my vote from >>3905755
to
>Look at both Gina and Rath
>"So how are you holding up? Anything you want to tell me now that we are pretty much in private"
>Touch the neurotic Halo on your chest
>"At least as much as we are gonna be."
>"What do you think about the plan i had told Yurei. Do you see any big problems that are fairly obvious now?"

>Afterwards glance at Gina
>"But i think now i should practice what i preach to Dr. Fran and get some time to rest and recuperate"
>Look at Rath and nod towards the garage where November is working
>"If you want to cuddle later on you can... at least if Gina has no problems with it. Just knock first to see if we are still awake or sleeping already"
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>>3905770
I think she may have burned them for fuel. BHOP said that the Gashadokuro's core was held together by the remains of Yurei's Dream Daughters. So it could be that she dismantled them to reinforce the giant dream monster transformation.
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>>3905784
i can see it, but oof, that sounds like a mistake if ever there was one. brings up questions about some abilities potential 'last resort' long term potentially i suppose.
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>>3905786
>>3905784
man that is a very selfish design philosophy behind that ability if it’s true. not to mention cruel to an extent.
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>>3905788
well i mean, she is the one willing to forcefully pull out and enslave peoples dream daughters.
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>>3905786
>>3905788
Hopefully it's an option with the Siege Forme and not a necessity. And/or something that only happened for Yurei because of her other powers and how they interacted with the Calcite Halo. She was focused on the dreamscape stuff, so she got a dream monster reinforced by Dream Daughters. All of our party with Calcite Halos are much more physically-focused, and so maybe they'd get the option to burn max Health or something like that.
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>>3905790
>>3905789
for a daughter whose moniker was “Master of dreams” i honestly expected a full on dream battle in the dreamscape, a bit like Karla (the dream eater that ambushed us after dealing with alzheimer daughter)
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>>3905790
Well teh halos are supposed to stronly conform to their users. So i would imagine if they are used by someone that appreciates and cherishes their Dreamdaughters( and to be honest Yurei did not seem to cherish them as much more than tools) the siegeform might take another form completely or its will seek another powersource and can be buffed by dreamdaughters voluntarily
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>>3905790
may also have been related to the Halo configuration aspects. we'll see though. really do need to talk to the Hexxane about those things, maybe a few other things too. shame Cherum is the least cooperative, as she would know the most about how the Calcite Halo will evolve id imagine, even compared to Yurei.

>>3905791
i was too. but guess we played our cards right on that one.
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>>3905790
also dont forget to vote anon.
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>>3905791
>>3905795
(A Dreamscape battle was absolutely in the cards, and would've happened if she hadn't realized you had the Neurotic Halo. Once she saw that, there was no way she was going to chance it, given what she knew about its powers.)
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>>3905799
actually, not to pile on the other questions ive got sitting up in the thread somewhere, but what WAS her plan for getting the halo off us? feels like the Halos defenses are pretty solid, and funnily enough, i think we have the Halo best suited for breaking past them id imagine. she also didnt appear to have much if any neuromancy either.
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>>3905809
(She had a contact that owed her a favor, and she would have been able to retrieve the Halos safely from your biomass, without spoiling too much.)
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>>3905809
(Also, I'll go more in depth to your earlier questions once the Vein closes tomorrow or Wednesday if that's alright, since my answers are a little involved.)
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>>3905813
perfectly fine, figured as much.

>>3905811
hrm, i am now worried about this contact. spoilers indeed i suppose.
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>>3905797
Yeah, I know, sorry. Just got free and am catching up.

>>3905750
>>Spend time with both Gina and Rath. Given Yurei’s suspicions regarding Rath, you’d like to take the time to prompt her to maybe open up to you and GG, if she’s willing.
>>Write-In
>Just spend some time with your two best girls. Embrace deeper topics of conversation if it moves to them, but otherwise focus on getting to know them. Learn about some of the fine details, even if we know the general shape of who they are.
>Afterwards, retire to your room with Gina. Leave door open a crack for if/when Rath inevitably sleepwalk-snuggles to the bed.

Speaking of rooms, what does Shu's look like? With Amara having a biopunk fairy tale princess's room, I want to customize everyone's room. Other than shaping a door connected to the office, I don't know what Shu would want from her room. The obvious direction is to go hive-themed, lots of honeycomb patterns. But that might be going too far with the bee thing.
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>>3905815
Shus so far seems to just still the the plain, standard room Mara had setup beforehand. so a Mara hair bed+pillows+covers, and i THINK BHOP said before there was a single dresser or nightstand?

as for customizing it... eh, just leave it up to Julia and Dorian honestly. id say Gina too, but no, that sounds like we could end up staring up at a ceiling with suspiciously placed hooks, and we dont need that.
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>>3905815
as for everyone else... eh, besides Amaras age/temperament, i feel like a room is way too personal for us to decide what theirs would be. weird after what i said about Shu, but that would be Shus choice then, to go for that option.
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>>3905822
Well, I wasn't thinking Shu would decide, in-character. Just OOC discussion of what each party member would have as their room.
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>>3905828
eh, i honestly still think just leave it up to BHOP, if not already decided.

i mean, i personally dont know enough about Rath or just hoe customizable the control console is to setup Raths room. same for the others. rooms are a very different thing, and id argue we actually dont know enough about Julias, Dorians, Novembers, or Francines personal tastes enough to actually set that up. iffy on Rath and Gina too, though we do know them a bit better.

plus, again, it would depend on how much of Amaras room is core console, how much custom made by Julia and Dorian. and boy, as much as they may be willing to do it, if its the second, thats still alot of custom work to dump on their laps.
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(Gentlemen, work is rather intense today, so I shall update at the first available opportunity. Thank you very much for your patience.)
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>>3905914
Figured it was something like that. No worries, BHOP, we understand that other things have priority. See you later.
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>>3905914
...maybe you should just shoot to expect Mondays updates to need more time at this point BHOP.

regardless, take care of work and dont stress yourself out. or well, more than work naturally causes, i guess.
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>>3905914
hey, someone just scanned this Nechronica book i think you and others might find the art inside enjoyable.

https://imgur.com/a/5rELbfB

fair warning though, probably best not to open it at work.
i also found a neat artist, but their stuff is almsot all NSFW with actual porn mixed in too, so im iffy on posting a link to their pixiv, HOWEVER at the same time, if i did, you would only need to look at the thumbnails for most of his art to understand why i think people here would enjoy most of his art despite its issues, so, hard to know on that one.
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>>3906008
>head crab
>Headbat
too adorable.

>That artstyle. Is that what I think it is? looks like Hetza's artsyle.
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>>3906027
fun fact, apparently the rebellion showed in the later pages gets put down via nuclear strike.
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>>3905750

“Any preferences on what we do in the…morning, I guess?” You begin, folding your hands in your lap as you cast a furtive glance towards Julia’s room. “I feel bad for interrupting everyone’s time together in Laoc.”

“Yeah, heading back there sounds good.” Rath supplies eagerly, citrine eyes glowing as you turn to face her. “Give those two a bit of date-time. I’ll look after Amara and make sure she doesn’t…I dunno, challenge someone to a duel, or something. Girl’s crazy ‘bout that sword.”

“I’d like that.” Gina adds, her brow suddenly furrowing. “…the trip to Laoc, to be clear. Not the whole Amara/duel thing.”

You nod, eyes returning to Julia’s door as you consider your next words carefully.

“I wanted to talk about the plan…about the Cord, specifically.” You declare, tapping your chest as the crystal of your Neurotic Halo flickers to life. [Mind if we talk like this?]

{Not at all. So, what’s up?} Gina asks, eyes flickering as she attuned to Rath with concern writ large on her round features.

[I laid out pretty clearly in my pre-fight monologue to Yurei what my plans are for the Cord and the Crucible, in general] You explain, leaning back a little further in your seat so you can see both girls in the corners of your eyes. [Even though I know where I stand, and even though I know you two have supported me in the past, I want to hear your thoughts on everything that I’ve put forward. With how things are building up...well, it might be very important for us to all make sure we’re on the same terms regarding the morality and methods of the plan, is where I’m at]

{I appreciate that} Gina replies, her genuinely appreciative smile quickly fading as the gears in her mind begin to turn rapidly, churning through her thoughts as she continues. {I’m good with everything that you’ve said thus far, though if I’m being honest my biggest concern is actually scaling the Cord, at this point. Sargatanas has been mentioned once or twice, in addition to the fact that only one person at a time is supposedly allowed entrance at a time. I’d say we could just blast a hole in the side, but if that were doable someone would’ve doubtless done so already. I’m still puzzling over how to bypass that rule, if we’re all going to get in at the same time}

“Yeah, I uh…that’s something we might have issues with, down the line.” Rath starts hesitantly, her voice echoing in your minds as she, too, settles her glowing gaze at Julia’s room. “Look, you two are stuck with me ‘til the end, so no worries there. Problem is, I know that Julia, Dorian, and Amara would follow us to hell and back, but whether or not they *should*, well…I dunno. I’m still chewing it over.”

[How do you mean?] You ask, turning to face her full-on.

(Continued)
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>>3906103

“Um…I don’t know how to really put this into words, but…” Rath stumbles, her mind stuttering along as she struggles to formulate her thoughts. “…like, I can see you, me, GG, and November going through the Cord, but about the others, I guess I’m kinda worried about…I mean, there’s no guarantee that even if we hack the Cord, there’s nothing to say we, uh…I mean, I wanna look on the bright side as much as anyone, but if we’re being real, there’s…”

[There’s no guarantee who makes it to the top is going to make it back] You supply calmly, and Rath just gives you a small nod, looking thoroughly miserable for even bringing the conversation to this morbid line. You look to Gina for her take, and she’s just staring a across the living room at nothing, hazel eyes lost in thought as you both tackle with the very real possibility of the Cord claiming the family you hold so dear.

{Okay…so we make them priority} Gina declares firmly, turning back to the two of you. {We have Julia, Dorian, and Amara stay back, and we…}

“GG, no disrespect, but are you shitting me?” Rath interrupts dryly. “You legit think that Dorian…no, ANY of those three would let us keep them on the sidelines when we’re in danger?”

{Then…what?} Gina counters, frustration creeping into her voice. {You just said you didn’t want them to be in danger, but they’re not going to let us hoof it by ourselves, so…what’s your solution?}

“I don’t…I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have brought it up. I’m sorry I even sai…” Rath hastily replies, deeply uncomfortable until Gina’s hand reaches across your lap to settle on the other girl’s knee. Rath looks up at the same time you do, meeting the apologetic look on Gina’s face as you do so.

{No…no, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to be snippy} She says, forcing a sort of tranquility into her voice across the empathic channel as she holds the flickering embers that are Rath’s eyes. {I’m glad you brought that up, and I was starting to get upset because…well, I don’t like thinking about the possibility of losing them because they’d put themselves in harm’s way to protect us, same was we would for them. It’s a real concern, and it’s something we don’t have any easy answers for. You want to respect them as people, but you don’t want to lose them…and neither do I. Same for Shu. They’re family}

“Yeah. Yeah, and…thanks, G.” Rath replies with a series of small nods, her mounting anxiety simmering down in accord with Gina’s apology.

{We need more information} GG continues, glancing up at you as she withdraws her hand from Rath’s lap. {Mother may be useful, and we know that West has been sending proxies up into the Cord to prep for her ascension. We’ll all feel better with a stronger plan, so interrogating Ozmas and working with Francine to see what we can recover from what’ll remain of the Proxies should be top priority}

(Continued)
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>>3906106

[Agreed] You reply with a forced smile, trying to shake the gloom that’s settled over you in the last few minutes of discussion. Rath seems to have settled down a bit, and Gina has a bit of renewed fervor in the place of her spike of worry, but…they have a good point. You’re doing this for everyone, every Daughter that’s fighting to survive, every being that’s struggling in the Crucible…and success may very well mean that the worst for the ones you care about the most.

“I’m gonna go check on Aunt Heather, see if I can give a hand or six with whatever she’s doing.” Rath suddenly says, rising from her seat and stretching her arms skyward. “Gonna get some sleep?”

“Yep!” Gina replies, a little too quickly and cheerfully for your comfort. Rath just gives you both a thumbs’ up, carefully creeping her way across the living room so as to not disturb whatever Dorian and Julia are up to. With that, Gina rises as well, gently pulling you to your feet and continuing to hold your hand as she leads you to your quarters, the sparse room a far cry from Amara’s ornate, princess-themed sanctum. Closing the door behind you, Gina then takes both your hands in her own as she leads you to the edge of the bed, silently pointing down and prompting you to sit. It’s hitting you just now how draining the day’s been, how raw your nerves are at the rapid-fire events that have led you to this point.

“How’re you feeling?” Gina asks softly, standing before you with her hands behind her back.

“Tired.” Comes your one-word reply, and you have to laugh at just how weary you sound, having finally sat down without an agenda for the first time during your very long day. "How're you? What's on your min..."

"Nuh-uh. Nope." Gina interrupts sternly, crossing her arms. "This is you time. No armchair psychiatry for at least one hour, understood?"

You've seen GG in combat, how she swiftly commands the Fleshscape to her whims, but this...the sheer aura of unyielding will that emanates from every inch of her alongside your own creeping exhaustion renders you incapable of any response more eloquent then a tired nod.

"You listen to people all damn day, so this is you time." She continues, a smirk working its way across her lips. "You can talk, or stay quiet while I play some music, but regardless I'm going to have to know where to start first. So, what hurts?"

You just blink.

"You're getting a massage, Shu." Gina says, eyebrow arched at your dumbfounded expression. "So, where do you want me to start?"

Oh.

Oh, wow.

>>Request that she start on (Write-In)

AND

>>Stay quiet, and just reflect on the day's events as you spend time with Gina along with some choice selections from her playlists.

>>Talk about yourself a bit, and what's top of mind with everything that's going on right now.

>>You know she said it was 'you time', but...you do want to ask Gina about (Write-In).

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, I shall be pausing here for the evening. Voting shall remain open for the next fifteen hours, with posting to resume in around sixteen, give or take. Thank you so very much for your patience, participation, and enthusiasm, and I do hope you have a restful evening one and all.)

(Also, I realize I mis-spoke earlier. It wasn't necessarily work that was intense, but rather the time I had helping two of my co-workers with some in-depth personal issues they're working through. Didin't expect social links today, but so it goes. They're better now, so at least that worked out alright. Again, my apologies for the delays)


>>3906008
(This...this is magnificent. It's worth it just for the office-chair girls alone, as they're utterly adorable. Thank you so much for sharing.)
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>>3906114
>Stay quiet, and just reflect on the day's events as you spend time with Gina along with some choice selections from her playlists.

and Rath, i get your issues, but if we didn't want to risk losing them, we should've not had them fight alongside us a long time ago. with the exception maybe of Amara, they're all adults and its entirely their choice to come or not.

>>3906121
glad you liked the books art.
and that whatever was going on seems to have cleared up. you take your rest BHOP, sounds like you could use it, even if it did turn out alright in the end.
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>>3906114
>>Request that she start on (Write-In)
>"I'd like my upper back, but I'm worried it would be too sensitive. The muscles there are kind of kinked up with the swarmling chambers. Start on my lower back and work your way up?"

>>You know she said it was 'you time', but...you do want to ask Gina about (Write-In).
>Just enjoy the massage for a bit, melt into the table.
>"What about you? Is there anywhere you'd like me to focus on when I return the favor? Because I am going to, you know."

>>3906121
Sorry to hear it's been an emotionally stressful day, BHOP. I'm glad things are going better for your co-workers, though.
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>>3906114
>Spawn a few Grapplings and let Gina use Dominion Jacks to give her extra hands in the massage.
>*playfully* "Curse you and your compelling geas."
>flop onto the bed, roll over expose vulnerable back.
>"Oh no... I'm at your mercy."
>"Start with Core muscles along the spine, where the chitin flaps are. Then shoulder blades and the shoulders."

>Talk about yourself a bit, and what's top of mind with everything that's going on right now.

>"Why do you think Amara sees me as her mother? I tell her stories of our adventures, I made her Sir FuzzBuzz, I gave her a cool name when she woke up from her pod...oh god. I really am Amara's mother at this point right?"
>"So then what does that make you Gina? Her other half-mother? Step-mother?"
>"So what do we do about her? Ever since she took Churem in, she's been training with the sword non-stop and doing all she can to help us. Sword training, Joyous clone scouting... Skinternet lurking...She really wants to help. And I don't know what else we can do to repay her."

>"In any case, I think the best thing we can do for our family is to help them grow and mature, enough so that they can be strong enough on their own. Including Amara."

>"So...how far do those Tron Tats go? You gonna show me?"
>"Can't return the Massage favor unless I can see how far they go."

>>3906121
How skilled is Amara in swordplay? Do you think Shu could stand to benefit getting lessons from Churem with Amara as proxy? Because the thought of Shu bonding with Amara by getting to know more about Amara's interests (swordplay) by having Amara teach Shu "how to sword" with Shu's Lionheart form is both productive and wholesome.
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>>3906137
>>3906121
...is it bad i imagined Shu playing 'pop goes the Fuzzbuzz' with her back plates and a recursive thats happily buzzing its way from chamber to chamber and Gina has to try and boop the little buggers snoot to win?
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>>3906151
Yes. Deeply wrong. That sound horrifying. Do not do this thing, Shu.
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>>3906149
>How skilled is Amara in swordplay? Do you think Shu could stand to benefit getting lessons from Churem with Amara as proxy? Because the thought of Shu bonding with Amara by getting to know more about Amara's interests (swordplay) by having Amara teach Shu "how to sword" with Shu's Lionheart form is both productive and wholesome.
That does sound wholesome. How good of a swordswoman is Shu? She's been doing pretty well with the Lionheart, but Karma might be guiding her through the motions somewhat.
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>>3906151
Yes, and I can't also help but imagine the FuzzBuzzes making movement and guiding Gina's hands to the knots like a platoon of coordinated bees in a game of hot& cold. A fuzzBuzz flying onto Gina's hands that buzzes more when Gina's gets close to a sore spot.
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>>3906114
>>3906128
well, i dont like or want to support either of them, but its clear im not gonna win this one, so ill support the one that at least fills much more in line with what and how i feel Shu would behave and say in this situation.

Amending vote to support this one uncombined and by itself;
>>3906137
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>>3906167
Okay, now that I'm into. Shu indicating happiness by her FuzzBuzzes buzzing. Like a cross between a cat purring and the rumble pack on an N64.
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>>3906167
>>3906171
actually does bring up a very good question of just how much feeling Shu even has left in her back. her nerves have gotta have gone pretty damn numb and pretty deep into her back too, for her hive to really work.
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>>3906172
She can feel the swarmlings form and squirm out, so she must have some. Probably takes more force for her to feel it, but she can feel some. Though it was established with the latest round of corruption that the carapace does make for a less sensitive surface. Deep tissue should be fine, though.
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>>3906172
>>3906187
I really hope the corruption doesnt give her a severe case of honeycomb hunchback
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>>3906195
i mean... i can see it. inflating her backs hive in size and making it have easier access to the sky, even a little bit, would both be pretty practical. i think you are overlooking that SOMETHING has to happen. people literally become giant dragons via corruption, i guarantee you our teams isnt going to be very much kinder.

that said, there are other routes too i guess. but enlarging the hive and its exists feels like a very obvious and almost necessary one for her to eventually gain.
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>>3906202
>Dominous BL
>Maw
>100 Hand
>Spiral Power
>Spiritus
Feels like Shu's got the Criteria to go the same Corruption Path that Mara walked. Except with Bees. Either that or Shu's going to look like a Vespiqueen.
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>>3906202
That or the Honeycomb pattern will start to cover Shu's entire body, meaning Shu's going to have Honeycomb Caparace skin where swarmlings can exit from any point.
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>>3906226
>>3906231
honestly whats coming to mind for me is more like a beehive shoggoth.
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>>3906202
I still say Shu's going to wind up looking Hexane. Probably not as her final form, but somewhere along the line Charon is going to see her and be briefly very confused.

>>3906226
So giant insect monster, making humanoid avatars to interact with the tiny ones?
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>>3906243
>Probably not as her final form, but somewhere along the line Charon is going to see her and be briefly very confused.
not if Charon frequently sees Shu throughout her various stages of Hive corruption, but you're probably right.

On another note, I think I know a good use for our idle Swarmlings we somehow keep having during our fights, have them float around at strategic points in the battlefield and serve as mobile grappling hook points for our allies. Dorian's got a tether ability which he can now use for 50% bio and a free action, Rath can use her Tensile Strings at long range, why not give everyone even more mobility using the hundred handed fast-grapple express lift?
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>>3906247
We can actually spawn Hundred-Hands chains from our allies now, too. Any anchored point in the battlefield can be used to grapple any of our party to.
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>>3906231
>>3906243
>mfw Shu becomes nothing but honeycomb plates that each can open into a Maw, Hive exit, Dominus 'honey' leash, or pop out a new arm instantly that is also made of honeycomb plates.
>she uses her honey and wax from her hive to form her Spiritus.
>mfw as the battle goes on she just becomes more and more hands from more and more exits, just this horrible abomination of a living, breathing, moving beehive.

>>3906247
i actually think we usually use all our swarmlings, with the exception sometimes a plan just goes so poorly they would be doing nothing no matter what we did with them.
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>>3906234
You know...I think we can improve upon the char sheet by writing down the resistance levels (Damage Type & Resistance level, elemental type & Resistance level, etc) of each character.

>>3906260
Or in the flavor of Fashion Horror:
>Shu's skin from the head down is a mesmerizing bodysuit made out of Caparace scales that weave themselves in a honeycomb pattern
>The Main bulk of the hive looks like a Heavy RIG from Deadspace.
>The Ravenous Maw forms an impromptu Girdle/Zipper
>Each honeycomb scale is a spiral pattern that exists on the face of honeycomb patterned "skin"
>Shu's hair has a Honey-coloured shine...because her hair now secretes small drops of honey sugar.
>Shu has 2 extra pairs of arms which upon closer inspection...are made out of hundreds of tiny arms.
or like pic related except bee-themed, with bees, spirals, and honeycomb patterns.
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>>3906274
Definitely lean into the fractal themes. Honeycombs tessalate well. Pattern Shu's body with Sierpinski hexagons, spiraling downward into infinity. Works well with how Hundred-Hands can branch off of itself and how swarmlings can split up into smaller versions. She'd have a surface that looks like skin at first, until you look closer and realize that it's covered in countless hexagonal scales, made of smaller hexagonal scales, and so on ad infinitum (or so it appears, obviously they'd have a minimum resolution). New Hands and Maws and Spirals can form from the hexagons slotting together from a mass of scales shifting and rearranging into neat geometric organization. It would look really cool. A bitch to animate, though, so good thing this is a text medium.
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>>3906289
All that makes me think is Shus body would now work like those toys where you press your hand against the little 'needles' to form a hand pattern on it, except instead of round needles its hexagonal ones, and they just sorta press outward until the form a new arm or out into a swarmling shape them peel away from said swarmling to let it free.

Basically turning Shu into nothing but a mass of shifting spiraling hexagon pegs.
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>>3906306
I was thinking more like a layer of scales spiraling off tangent to the surface of Shu's body before twisting itself into the shape of whatever it is she's forming, mass flowing in to fill the hollow mold with a proper limb or bone drill or swarmling.
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>>3906322
>>3906306
>Shu constantly shedding Hexagon scales
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>>3906322
eh, well see what happens i guess, just like the mental image the peg/needle idea brings to mind much more.
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>>3906338
To each their own. And it's quite possible we're both imagining the wrong thing, and Shu will approach bug monsterdom in an entirely different direction. Maybe something more classic than our bizarre hypergeometric fractal hive.
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>>3906344
Indeed. Hard to tell too, as really only the maw has otherwise given her any corruption yet too, so who bloody knows what the others will change.
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>>3906114
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>>3906114

"I, uh…I'd like my upper back, but I'm worried it'd be too sensitive.” You admit, relenting to lying face-down on the massive bed, placing the Contender on the side table as you stretch out across the soft, downy sheets. “The muscles there are kind of kinked up with the swarmling chambers. Would you mind starting on my lower back and working your way up?"

You feel the bed sink to either side of you as Gina straddles your legs, her warm hands exploring along your spine to find where hive ends and skin begins. Her fingers graze the small of your back, and just when a pleasant tingle tickles up your back Gina’s thumbs dig into a particularly tight muscle, prompting you to loose a groan of satisfaction into your pillow. You feel the built-up stress practically melt into the bed, Gina’s surprisingly dexterous hands working out every kink and knot that’s accumulated along the hard, black chitin of your hive.

"What about you? Is there anywhere you'd like me to focus on when I return the favor?” You ask, turning your head to speak in the face of Gina’s focused silence. “Because I’m going to, you know."

“We’ll see. Just relax, alright?” She replies cryptically, moving her focus from the small of your back up to the bare flesh of your shoulders, trying and succeeding in finding a suitable hand-hold between the hard plates that have only recently grown there. Your upper neck seems to have been missed by your Core’s corruption, and you’re exceedingly glad for that fact when Gina runs her thumbs down the back of your neck and into your shoulders, easing a particularly troublesome knot that you didn’t even realize you were struggling with. Your body’s practically humming with pleasure, and it’s not until Gina pauses her miraculous work that you realize your hip is actually vibrating, thrumming with an increasingly insistent pulse…and the Contender’s still resting on the bedside table.

“So, two things. One, how are you doing that? And two, can you contro…” Gina begins, stopping when you thrust your hand into your pocket, retrieving the offending item and holding it before your now-scowling glare.

The Silver Key.

“…Aw.” GG mutters, disappointed as you close your eyes, focusing in on what mental intrusion the Relic’s working to keep at bay. The darkness at the back of your eyelids is a deeper, more imposing thing as you attune yourself to the item, and your eyes snap open when you realize the familiar presence that’s trying to speak directly into your mind.

“Mother.” You breathe, prompting Gina’s eyes to narrow at the interruption, even as the Silver Key continues to pulse insistently in your grasp.

>>…Fine. No time like the present, and you’d rather talk to her now instead of having it hanging over your head while you try to rest.

>>Nope. Ozmas can wait, you’re not dealing with this now. It’ll happen on your terms, or not at all.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Voting shall remain open for the next one and a half hours, Gentlemen.)
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>>3906901
>…Fine. No time like the present, and you’d rather talk to her now instead of having it hanging over your head while you try to rest.

Well fuck you Mother. I have half an idea she timed it like such on purpose, but unfortunately i agree that we both wont be able to relax properly Wondering what she wanted, aswell as if it is somehow important, maybe she wont feel like gloating or telling us later.
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>>3906901
>"I think Ozmas wants to talk and I would like to know why she is interrupting my private time with you "
>Grasp her hand
>"I will return the favor once I have dealt with her or you can come with me if you want"
>grasp the silver key after her answer

>"I am not in the mood Ozmas what do you want?"
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>>3906901
>>3906913
Adding in;
>When you answer Mother, be the one to open up.
>"Alright bitch, ten seconds of straight talk to convince me to listen, or im hanging up. No. Nonsense."
>If she tries to say or do anything even remotely off the mark, even just stammering, hang up, no hesitation.
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>>3906901
>>…Fine. No time like the present, and you’d rather talk to her now instead of having it hanging over your head while you try to rest.
>>Write-In
>"Well, I doubt I'm going to be able to relax properly until this gets taken care of. Ugh, fine. Gina, if you wouldn't mind, can you stand by ready for a Neuromantic interruption? Thanks."
>Answer the call.
>With false cheer: "Why hello, Ozmas, how are you doing this fine evening?"
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>>3906913
>>3906917
Should we even answer it? Ozma's Admin power is running on empty, like she has 1-3 tokens left. She might burn the last of her tokens as her dying curse to place an actual debilitating mutation on Shu before the system deletes her. like a creeping cancer or something.
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>>3906932
Yeah we should answer
I think the mutation thing we can get rid off and I am pretty sure that while Ozmas is petty she won't kill herself to try and potentially ruin Shus life. If she could have done so in the meanwhile after we crippled her she would have done so already
She wanted to survive after all and it could be that she is hoping that Shu will hear her out and might actually spare her when the cord gets hacked
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>>3906901
>>3906901
> Murder Ozmas
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>>3906932
If I remember right, directly attacking a Daughter like that takes so many tokens that even at near-full it would kill Ozmas to do. I doubt she can do it now. Even if she can go into negatives for her token reserve, if it's possible to afflict Shu at range it shouldn't require that we answer the phone first. And on the off chance that this is what Ozmas is doing, then best to take the hit here in the middle of our sanctum with our Neuromancer, Flesh Artisan and mad scientist allies and not one but two unlocked Sparagmos Engines in the house.

>>3906936
We're working on it, geez!
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>>3906932
She could do that even if we do not answer her though, if she has that power.

Take the middle ground like me. Dont let her drag it out or try anything. If she so much as steps a skincell out of line, we hang up.
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>>3906901
>…Fine. No time like the present, and you’d rather talk to her now instead of having it hanging over your head while you try to rest.
>Hold the key to your ear like a phone.

>"Hello Ozzie."

>"What prompted you to give me a phone call?"
>if Ozmas goes to open up with a cryptic or meandering opening message interrupt her.

>"Are you here to send a message, a curse, or a 'gift'?, if so get to the point. Or else I'm hanging up and leaving you alone on heaven's throne until this game ends."

>Transform the dreamscape into the equivalent of a Bar, figuratively downsize Ozma's presence down to Shu's size, with Shu as the Bartender and Ozmas as the bar patron. Behind Shu is an ever expansive array of Hard Liquors and drinks.
>"Or are you here for just simple girl-talk and drowning your sorrows? If so..."
>Flash empathetic intent to hang up if Ozmas steps out of line."
>"It's your choice. But know this, I don't take kindly to betrayal, treachery, and the violation of my hospitality. You of all beings should know this very well."
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>>3906955
>>3906901
Im gonna have to veto this one.
Like hell are we serving Mother for any reason or showing her that level of courtesy.
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>>3906958
I do like the idea of shrinking her mental projection down to Shu's scale, though. It fits the humbled god theme, a towering entity that filled the whole sky being brought down to interact at the level of mere mortals. It's a shame we haven't read her journal yet and gotten an image of what Ozmas originally looked like, we could craft her an avatar shaped like her pre-Crucible Hexane form to really mess with her. We really need to read those diaries eventually, but we just keep putting them off because as interactive experiences they'd take up a lot of time. Damn it, Hexane, why couldn't you just have writing like normal people?
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>>3906965
Because the hexxane are a hexache.
Oh, we do need to get Gina to read her fics to us, if you're looking for things to cross off our list.
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>>3906901

You’re not in the mood for this, not by a long shot…it’s a feeling that’s hard to ignore even as your eyes meet Gina’s irritated hazel stare and she realizes what you’re about to do.

“I don’t want this hanging over my head when I’m trying to relax with you.” You say, the Key continuing to vibrate in your palm. “Prep countermeasures. I’m going to give her ten seconds to make her case.”

Gina just heaves a heavy sigh, the veins along the back of her hands flickering to life with amethyst light as her mind attunes to yours, allowing her to hear the conversation you’re about to reluctantly engage in. Gripping the platinum sphere so tight you think it might dent, you shut your eyes and reach out across the void.

"I am not in the mood, Ozmas. What do you want?” You growl, feeling the shadows at the darkened corners of your vision lengthen, deepening like a midnight sea. “You get ten seconds of straight talk to convince me to listen, or I’m hanging up. No. Nonsense."

She’s quiet, for a long moment. Almost too long, and you’re just about to cut the line when Ozmas’ voice echoes in the dark.

I WANT TO HELP YOU CLIMB THE CORD

…oh, goddammit.

“I’m not B’ni.” You reply, unamused. “I’m not running off after some bullshit McGuffin, I’m not participating in a quest to…”

NO RELICS

NO QUESTS

NO TRICKS

AFTER MY…

…AFTER THE EVENTS OF ALMATH, I HAVE WEAKENED

I HAVE LITTLE SWAY LEFT OVER THE CRUCIBLE’S MACHINATIONS

I AM…

I AM TIRED, DEFIANT

Ozmas pauses for a moment, the resultant quiet allowing you the time to realize how truly diminished the once-imposing administrator has become. A thing unknowable, inscrutable has come to you with palpable exhaustion, not so unlike your own.

ACCEPT MY HELP, AND I AM THUS BEHOLDEN TO YOUR FATE

YOUR FAILURE WOULD MEAN MY SUMMARY DESTRUCTION

YOUR SUCCESS WOULD LIKELY MEAN THE SAME

MY END, WITH INFORMATION YOU DO NOT OTHERWISE HAVE ACCESS TO

{If Ozmas just wanted to commit Sudoku, she could just steer us to the remaining Phalanx and get it over with} Gina says privately, her suspicion and reticence clear across the Crimson Cord. {She wouldn’t be reaching out without some sort of plan. I don’t like this, Shu}

Neither do you, but…you’re not sensing anything disingenuous in the Hexane’s words, though you suspect she may be able to disguise her intentions, like yourself.
“If it’s some deal or contract you’re offering, I’m not interested.” You reply, remaining unmoved by Mother’s attempt at bargaining.

I OFFER AN EXCHANGE OF WORDS, DEFIANT

WORDS AND KNOWLEDGE

THEY ARE ALL I HAVE LEFT TO GIVE

>>”I’ll hear you out, but not now. I’ll reach out to you when I’m ready, understood?”

>>”No. We’ve made it this far without your help, and we’ll keep that streak going until this game ends. Goodbye, Ozmas.”

>>”Maybe…answer me plainly, and I may consider it (Write-In).”

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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If we answer and she hangs up on us like I suggested a while ago I swear.

>>3906901
>>>…Fine. No time like the present, and you’d rather talk to her now instead of having it hanging over your head while you try to rest.


We should talk to her, see how she is, and knowing what we know now, extend her appropriate courtesy. We don't like her at all, but she is at a pretty low point. What I wonder is why she doesn't just kill herself. When Isabelle threatened to guard the top of the cord forever and prevent anyone from winning, Ozmas started to really freak out and fall into despair. It seems like she wants to die, but cannot, since a Crucible being resolved means Ozmas would die. Which makes me wonder. Does she really just die when she uses all her tokens? If so, why didn't she just immediately spawn a bunch of amalgams and kill herself? Maybe the Crucible laws prevent the current Mother from arbitrarily killing herself, but then why is it even a possibility for her to use all her tokens at all and die?

I hate Ozmas, but I almost feel like she may be more bound by her position than she may admit. We really should talk to her. If she has a load to get off her chest we may be able to get more info.

Besides, the most Defiant thing we can do is try to befriend the admin of this hell. We shouldn't show undue kindness or be so nice she thinks we're mocking her. I just hope she doesn't take offense to that so we definitely need to handle this carefully, if we talk to her. I'm in support of the bar idea.

If she doesn't want to talk about her problems and is just trying to antagonize us further and gloat more, we call her back and then hang up on her.
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(Voting shall remain open for the next two hours, Gentlemen.)
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>>3906995
I took too long, dammit.
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>>3906993
>”I’ll hear you out, but not now. I’ll reach out to you when I’m ready, understood?”
Fist off, we are trying to relax. Second off, while she does have useful info, i think our family deserves to have a say in this. A long and heavy discussion should be had on this, especially after we sorta forced isabelle on them.
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>>3906993
>>”I’ll hear you out, but not now. I’ll reach out to you when I’m ready, understood?”
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>>3906993
>>>”Maybe…answer me plainly, and I may consider it (Write-In).”

>"Why are you doing this? You clearly don't enjoy it as much as you act like you do. Is it just the laws of the crucible, or do you truly enjoy this? Why did you betray Charon after everything?"
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>>3906993
>"If you want to talk to someone, then talk to Reyva first. You owe her much more than anyone else. The rest of us will get to you later."
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>>3906993
>"You do realize that you telling me how to win the title of "Mother of All" WILL get you kicked out do you? And even if I do follow your instructions, there's no telling if the Crucible would accept the win as legitimate."

>”I’ll hear you out, but not now. I’ll reach out to you when I’m ready, understood?”

>"Ozmas...If we follow through with this, if you're somehow deleted from the system...is there any message you would like to tell Reyva?"

>>3906998
>>3907001
Sia did say that Ozmas can't really tell how to actually 'win' the title of 'Mother of All', she can't.

>“The Daughter who climbs the Cord and sits upon the throne is punished for their failure to think outside the box by continuing the cycle anew, doomed to watch and taste the bitterness of their own inadequacies.” She continues, her dulcet voice very as-a-matter-of-fact. “If the current Mother’s aware that they went about the Crucible the wrong way, they’re apparently not allowed to tell the current participants about the process of winning, if they even know how. ‘Mother of All’, on the other hand, is apparently the title given to the winner…whatever ‘winning’ the Crucible truly constitutes.”
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>>3907003
Not a bad comeback, though not sure i support it, but i think Charon has said they very much prefer their new name, and it probably stings more to hear us respect that, especially as it means mother was so bad Charon doesn't even want to keep their name due to its association with her.

>>3907007
Same here, ignoring being that wordy defeats the point of saying we will talk later, i think we should respect Charons new name.
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I really want to just hang up on her. God, I do. But no, best not to be rash. Okay, we'll listen, but not right now. She's going to subject herself to questioning from the entire party. Including Dream Daughters, if they want to get in on this, possibly even the dead Ascendants if they aren't too sick of her to bother.

>>3907003
Oh, that's good. Yeah, let's get Charon on the line, too, when we have our discussion.
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>>3906995
It feels like Ozmas wants to die, but she wants to die on her own terms, as well as living long enough to see the end of the cycle. She may be a cunt who condemned her race in the most stupid act of selfishness, but in the end she's Hexane who wanted nothing more than to stop the Crucible.
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>>3907014
Ohh, damn yeah, i like that. Let literally everyone have their say in this.

But not right now. Like i mentioned, i think we need to discuss this with the family before we even can justify asking her anything.
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>>3906993
>>”I’ll hear you out, but not now. I’ll reach out to you when I’m ready, understood?”

GINA and SHU were having quality time, and I refuse to let Ozmas intervene like an overtly fretful and intrusive chaperone to cut that short. We just want to give Gina the quality time she deserves! Frag off, "MOM"!

Let´s take a conference call tomorrow morning, with everyone (including Isabelle, maybe all dreamdaughters), monitoring that conversation.
We really could use the expertise and input of Lepisma, Yurei and Francine as the foremost experts on Crucible biology, Neuromancy and Conduit powers, besides that everyone in the crew, live or dead, should get a say on talking with Ozmas, or submitting ideas for conversation topics.

Now, I agree that we should grasp that opportunity, but if we take that call, we do it after everyone is well rested after a good night sleep and the whole family listens in. This kind of call is one you take in a situation room with your trusted advisers close at hand, otherwise you get badly shanked because you went in unprepared.

Still, let me be clear: I want to know more about Ozmas, and what was her perspective when she decided to do what she did. We REALLY ought to read Charon, then Ozma´s diary before the conversation, tough - there is simply too much we don´t know about her motivations to be effective negotiators.
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>>3907016
I guess it's to do with the themes of control and self-determination. Possibly managing to convince her enemies to let her die with dignity is the only bit of control Ozmas has left.
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>>3907019
Eh, lets not jump on this right away like that. We still owe ourselves and our family that day off, lets not ruin it by starting it with a talk like that.

Ozma may have good info, but she is not our only source nor do we need her to accomplish anything.
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>>3907003
Change Reyva to Charon and this will be a really good stinging reminder.

>>3907007
>>3906993
Amending for a typo.
>"You do realize that you telling me how to win the title of "Mother of All" WILL get you kicked out do you? And even if I do follow your instructions, there's no telling if the Crucible would accept the win as legitimate."

>”I’ll hear you out, but not now. I’ll reach out to you when I’m ready, understood?”

>"And if you want to talk to someone, then talk to Charon first. You owe her much more than anyone else. The rest of us will get to you later."

>>3907019
Lets not have that conference the very next day. I really want to delay that so we can dedicate that ONE entire day to well deserved Rest and Relaxation. How about we do that after we spend a day relaxing at Laoc, visiting the Ant Queen, and watching the Disassociated One's Rocket Launch?
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>>3907022
I'm still waiting on the visit to the Ant Queen, a day at Laoc, and watching the Rocket Launch.
>>3906996
Hey Bhop, did the Disassociated Ones already launch their Arkship? or do we still have time to watch the Rocket Launch?
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>>3907023
Isn't the rocket launch still like 4-5 days away?
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>>3907016
True. I think the same - although the fact that she wished to "win" by getting Earth or another inocent planet genocided, just so that she could reincarnate like some sort of Lich and restore Hexxane civilization over which it would preside as an unchallenged Goddess would be very, very wrong.

Still, I guess that if the idea was a Faustian bargain to stop the Crucible, and she would restore ALL civilizations dead and interned within the Chord, that would make her a well-intentioned radical. Depending on the angle and details, OZMAS may be FAR more sympathetic than we tought, if in a particularly dogmatic "Ultimate good ends justify all means" deal. It would be a good idea to elucidate what exactly did she intend when she put the whole clusterfuck in motion, if only to know what NOT to do.
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>>3907025
(You have plenty of time, I assure you. >>3907026 is correct.)
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>>3907023
I think we need to work the anti-West plan into there somewhere, sadly. Sia said the Wests were on the move, if we don't go after Sigma's lab soon they probably won't be there to grab. Which makes sense, if we're apparently being stalked on the Skinternet, the Wests are probably watching us all the time. Fuck, was Francine's plan ever hidden? I guess Cassandra might have been screening for her, but once she left with us she became open to observation again.
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>>3907025
Honestly im up for dropping everything for the ant queen anyways. Been looking forward to that for while now. That, and it is actually important, albeit in a different way than most of what we do.
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>>3907023
> Lets not have that conference the very next day. I really want to delay that so we can dedicate that ONE entire day to well deserved Rest and Relaxation. How about we do that after we spend a day relaxing at Laoc, visiting the Ant Queen, and watching the Disassociated One's Rocket Launch?

SUPPORTED BY 3 votes:

Two votes to have the talk, but delay it after we hve attended to ther matters. Ammending my vote in >>3907019 to support it.
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>>3907031
Ah, yes. I want MORE West & Francine screentime too!
Well, I guess that that is the sole drawback of this quest: so many narrative shinies to explore, so "little" time* !

* : If by "Little" you understand 33 full long quest instalements, and gloriously mounting :-)
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>>3907032
So...A visit to the Ant Queen, An afternoon date at Laoc, followed by a raid on Sigma's lab?
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>>3907038
Sounds solid.
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>>3907034
what are you actually counting here? theres 4-5 votes in favor of talking, but not right now, albeit one worded differently and one way too wordy to actually be supporting that.

>>3907038
well, the ant Queen is up to BHOP, not us, so hence my wording there. besides, we only REALLY "have" to bring Amara to that. though i still think November and Dorian otherwise deserve first pick on going to that, thats a different conversation for another time.
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>>3907041
here's a new alternate reaction pic for your folder.
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>>3907045
The votes to do it later came off so quickly that, the time to census all those I could see, people had added even more.
I did census them precisely because the points were raised good, and to support them by changing my mind.
Sorry for the lag issue.
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>>3906993
>>Write-In
>"How time-critical is this information, Ozmas? If you think we're having this conversation without letting the rest of my party have their say, you've forgotten who you're talking to. And I'd rather not interrupt their rest for anything short of an emergency, so unless this is extremely urgent we're going to have to talk later."
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>>3907048
Thanks! I needed some variety ;-)
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>>3907049
but... what did you even change to support? what you quoted wasn't even a vote or would make sense to say IC(nor did you link your change to BHOP).
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>>3906993
Supporting this caveat in >>3907051, just in case we are about to get hit with the "Monastery" wrecking ball. But I REALLY prefer >>3907019, unless it is a REAL emergency.
Plus, OZMAS hasn´t earned our prime time privileges - she gets to wait, if doable.
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>>3907051
Just gonna support this.

I'd love to tell Mother to shove it, but if she's getting antsy because of West trying to climb the cord or something I'd rather know sooner. Overall she is one of the most knowledgeable beings on the planet, even if shes not trustworthy.
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>>3907055
Putting off the call for long enough to tie the Laoc trip, DO launch and Ant queen. Basically all loose ends suggested by anons.
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>>3907059
There's also the Sigma Lab Raid.
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>>3907059
but... you already basically voted to do that and thats way too far into the future to vote for something that encompassing.

but whatever.

>>3907051
this just feels like playing into Ozmas hands too much. im against it.
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Time for me to leave for work.
>>3907031
On the other hand, we've forced West's hand. Sigma's lab seems to be the type that scouts around and prepares resources and materials, and does Relic Experimentation due to its proximity to Silvis's powerplant. West Prime ordering a mass recall and preparation for Cord Climbing would mean mass pack-up. We raid Sigma's lab at a prime moment where she's focused on packing up, we might disrupt West Prime's plans since she aims to climb the tower with all of the proxies as her sole workaround against Saragatamas since all the proxies read as a singular "Francine West".
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>>3907061
I get what you're saying, offering her any control over the conversation is iffy, but I do want to guard against the possibility that this is something urgent.

>>3907065
Oh, yeah, if Sigma is packing up we want to hit her now, both to catch her before she leaves and because she should have packed up most of her stronger defenses. It's definitely something to tackle very soon. I'm not sure that West is going to attack the Cord as a group, though. From how Prime phrased it when she was being channeled through Gamma, the idea is to eventually absorb all the Proxies. Whether through a Corrupted Engine or just consuming them, she's going to take all the powers they've gathered and attack the Cord herself. I think the fact that they're still independent Daughters (albeit mind-slaved to obey Prime) means that Sargatanas would still ban them. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if Prime has something like Exalted Samsara, and is going to get around the limit by summoning her Proxies.
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>>3907072
if she had something THAT important she would've already said it. if she was both truly wanting to help us AND knew something we just HAD to know, i dont think she would waste time like this. we said no nonsense, her skirting around an important topic to try and appeal to us is nonsense, if something is so important for us to know.

now, all we're doing is giving her prime time to lollygag and/or string us along if she does have something planned.

>means that Sargatanas would still ban them.
West already said using her Proxies allowed entire groups to go up the Cord together. its already been said its a viable work around to the rule.

also, didnt we get told West Prime is dying? i thin she didnt preparing to climb the cord, nor necessarily do i think her clones are packing up to leave, but i think they're preparing both contingency plans for if they fail to save her, and preparing to take any methods to save her to her, and hunt down any others they know about. so, i think we're safe from her trying to climb the Cord, for now. whether this alternative is actually better though....
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>>3906993

Supporting >>3907023 because if Ozmas really does want to do some good then she, like Shu, must confront the ghosts of her past actions first.
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>>3907075
>now, all we're doing is giving her prime time to lollygag and/or string us along if she does have something planned.
I don't see how that would benefit her, with where we currently are. I guess she might want to interrupt our relaxation time due to pettiness, but we weren't in position for delaying us to matter to any plans she might have, anyway.

>West already said using her Proxies allowed entire groups to go up the Cord together. its already been said its a viable work around to the rule.
I don't remember that, where were we told that?

>also, didnt we get told West Prime is dying?
Yes, and trying to stabilize it with Vitruvian abilities. She believed that B'Ni's regeneration would be enough to steady her, but she has a general hunger for Vitruvian abilities given that she also wanted to consume Tensile Strand from Rath. Who knows, maybe she's gotten herself stable, or is so desperate that she's going to move on the Cord despite her instability. But yeah, I think it is more likely that she's not climbing immediately, but planning something outside the Cord. Some scheme to get herself stable, or make a replacement for herself (update current memories to another Proxy, transfer over her abilities to it?) so that her decay doesn't matter.
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>>3907093
i think whenever we found out about the Cord rule and its guardian in the first place? oh, just looked, it says so in Wests notes, specifically the section on the Cord.

speaking of alternate plans than rushing the cord, i do wonder just what other backup plans she has? id imagine at least one Proxy somewhere she has dumped enough points and personal data into to act as a literal backup incase Prime dies, but just like Fran with the DOs, id think she has some other ideas and plans in place, and well, i think Francine herself implied as such too. what those are though, i really am having trouble imaging, unless theres groups/individuals out there she would accept as her replacement if worst comes to shove.

Actually why did i have that thought, thats a pretty scary thought actually.
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>>3907093
oh, for the first part, implying or letting her have our ear on 'urgency' just sounds like a terrible idea and a good way to get tricked with something that sounds too bad to ignore.

she already in my opinion made it clear she DIDNT have anything that urgent, lets not then make ourselves open to the possibility or give her an opening to change her mind on that.
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>>3907102
>i think whenever we found out about the Cord rule and its guardian in the first place? oh, just looked, it says so in Wests notes, specifically the section on the Cord.
Ah, found it, I was looking at the notes myself and glanced over it somehow. Probably because I was looking for something about them all counting as the same person, when that's not the loophole the Proxies are using. The rule Ozmas put in place was meant to prevent teams of friends, so multiple people can enter the Cord so long as they don't have any emotional bonds with each other. Since the Proxies inherited West's sociopathy, they don't care if any of the others live or die and so they're allowed in as a group. Dang, nasty loophole.

>speaking of alternate plans than rushing the cord, i do wonder just what other backup plans she has? id imagine at least one Proxy somewhere she has dumped enough points and personal data into to act as a literal backup incase Prime dies,
West Omega, maybe? They're named in order of creation, so Omega would be the most recent and up to date with current West's mindset. Gamma said that she was the third-strongest of the Proxies, we know that West Alpha is really powerful, so that still leaves a third Proxy to be in the top three. A back-up copy with as much power put into it as possible makes sense to me.

>what those are though, i really am having trouble imaging, unless theres groups/individuals out there she would accept as her replacement if worst comes to shove.
Could be a phylactery sort of thing? Copies of her corrupted Neurotic Halos that have been designed to take over and make new Proxies of anyone that puts them on, hidden in honeypot resource stashes. A Daughter finds this treasure trove, doesn't realize it's a trap, and puts on the Halo. And West is revived once more.

>>3907112
I suppose that's fair. I'd be willing to get rid of the "emergency" part, then, though I think "time-critical" is neutral enough that it can remain. Harder to twist that around, if we're just asking if it's information that expires in usefulness soon.
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>>3907127
that could be why the proxies work, or it could be something else. we'll see. maybe its just all the proxies have such a close approximation of eachothers mind they dont count or are not seen as separate? if so, i wonder if the Gemmas would work too on that, but eh, need to confirm that before theorizing further.

i could see it being Omega, but at the same time, id think such a critical backup would be both made early and be kept off the record in totality. the Halo idea might be a thing, but feels too random to be a viable backup plan. would possibly end up with new Wests when you really dont want one yet.
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>>3906993

"How time-sensitive is this information, Ozmas?” You demand, a stern scowl on your face. “If you think we're having this conversation without letting the rest of my party have their say, you've forgotten who you're talking to. I'd rather not interrupt their rest, so unless this is extremely urgent we're going to have to talk later."

Silence, then…

NO URGENCY, DEFIANT

NO PRESSING MATTERS

JUST INFORMATION

"You do realize that you telling me how to win the title of "Mother of All" WILL get you kicked out, right? And even if I do follow your instructions, there's no telling if the Crucible would accept the win as legitimate." You point out.

I AM AFRAID I CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT PHRASE

AS FOR THE LEGITIMACY OF YOUR VICTORY

I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU SHALL FALL UPON A VALID SOLUTION

”…Fine.” You relent. “I’ll hear you out, but not now. I’ll reach out to you when I’m ready, understood? And if you want to talk to someone in the meantime…then talk to Charon first. You owe her much more than anyone else."

…VERY WELL

REST

SLEEP

RENEW

I SHALL BE WAITING, DEFIANT

With that, she’s gone, and you’re finally alone once more with Gina perched on the end of the bed across from you, the oppressing dark receding from your now-open eyes. Wordlessly, GG plucks the Relic from your grasp, rising from the bed with intention.

“Just…go over there. No more interruptions, ‘kay?” Gina says more to the Relic than to you, tucking the Key next to the Contender before returning to your side. Suddenly her arms dart out, pushing you back and sending you sprawling on the bed so she can seize your left foot with a playful grin.

“Hey! What’re yo-oh, wow. Oh, holy crap.” You trail off blissfully, Gina’s fingers gently massaging your heel and working up the arc of your foot.

“Ha! I knew it!” She crows with delight, a wide grin across her face as she continues to work wonders on your sore feet. “I figured as much, with how much time you spend on your feet.”

“Given how much time I spend sitting down and listening to people talk, it’s a wonder my feet are so sore.” You reply sarcastically, draping your arm over your eyes as you block everything out to just focus on the sensation of stress leaving your body.

“Sitting? Well this *is* a full body massage, so I’ll get to that soon enough.” Gina replies, sending a tingle up your spine that has nothing to do with her dexterous hands. Fighting the knot that’s forming in your throat and trying to ignore how warm you’re starting to get, your mind works to find something to fill the growing silence.

>>Ask Gina something completely unrelated to the Fleshscape. You want to learn more about her (Write-In)

>>Ask her about her fiction. Maybe she’ll let you read some, or at least give you a cliff-notes version.

>>She’s given you a fantastic massage, so it’s time to return the favor.

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL
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(Gentlemen, I'll be leaving voting open for the next three hours as I close out the work day. I hope everyone's day is going well, one and all.)
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>>3907197

>>>Ask Gina something completely unrelated to the Fleshscape. You want to learn more about her (Write-In)

>>"GG, you have exactly to the count of forever to stop with that massage." Sigh contentedly and just accept being pampered for once. "The tables will turn, but until then, I just want to get to know you a bit more. What you want when all this is said and done? Who you want to be 'in the dark'? And... I suppose, the hardest question of all, what do you want out of 'us'?"
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>Ask Gina how things were for her before the Crucible, if shes ok talking about it without it deflating the mood.
>then, remind her she promised to read you some of her stories sometime.

>>3907202
going well enough. daylights saving messed me up because apparently my phone was not set to automatically change that somehow, and of course, i had no reason to notice until it actually became a problem. but eh, nothing major so alls good.
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>>3907197
>Ask Gina how things were for her before the Crucible, if shes ok talking about it without it deflating the mood.
>then, remind her she promised to read you some of her stories sometime.


Storytime
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>>3907202
oh also, i guess im remembering something wrong? thought Mother could be somewhat invasive with her daughter visits, so wouldn't the bell be less of a distraction and more of why we had a choice in the first place?
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>>3907221
(Yes, the entire reason you had a choice to decline was on account of the Silver Key, whose area of effect is actually quite large. It'll still intercept anyone trying to mentally reach out, but I enjoyed the thought of Gina tossing it to the side like one would a cell phone.)
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>>3907197
>Ask Gina how things were for her before the Crucible, if shes ok talking about it without it deflating the mood.
>then, remind her she promised to read you some of her stories sometime.

I did get the feeling that she wasn't close with her family though.
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>>3907226
oh no, no complaints about the scene from a conception perspective or anything, but yes it did make me wonder on things a bit.
thanks for the answer though!

>>3907227
maybe. we really haven't talked to her much about it from what i can remember, but she did seem like a shut-in and pretty isolated. even online it sounds like her friends group was a bit limited.
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>>3907197
>>Ask Gina something completely unrelated to the Fleshscape. You want to learn more about her (Write-In)
>"Oh, god, how are you so good at this? Did you take a massage class?"
>"Seriously, though, what were you studying before the Crucible? If you're okay talking about back then, that is."
>And then do the thing with the fanfics, but offer to read them to her. She's got her hands busy, and it will be funnier seeing her try to resist blushing as we read them aloud."

>>3907231
Really, our entire party was somewhat lonely people, disconnected from their families and community. Gina had cursory contact with her parents and spent most of her time with shallow online connections. Rath's family was falling apart due to whatever happened with her sister, which also had her on the outs from the rest of town. November was distanced from the family due to serving in the military, and had the problems adapting to civilian life that all too many veterans face. Julia's interest in the arts wasn't approved of by her STEM major parents, and she felt like she had no one to support her ambitions. Amara's mother was always too busy with work to spend time with her, and there were no other children her age in the area. Dorian had to deal with a family that didn't know how to accept his transitioning (though based on what the Sibling construct said when we fought it, his little sister got the idea) and a possibly abusive father. And Francine comes from the West collective. Shu's the only one who escaped having such a backstory, simply because she doesn't have a backstory.
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>>3907264
yeah, seems that way overall. though, in a way, Shus almost sounds the saddest, for some reason.

Raths sister 'fell in with thee wrong crowd' once she went to college, and overdosed from what it sounded like. oof, i can guess exactly how that goes. when you shield someone from the world too much, you dont teach them to be more faithful, all you do is make them unprepared for just how shitty and manipulative people can be. didnt help the family cohesion id bet that it was a struggle to convince her father to let her go to college at all.

Julia also had that issue with a longtime(?) friend being lost due to her not returning their feelings.

I do think you are correct on Amara, but we STILL have not actually confirmed that. somehow. its like Amara is so cute and spunky she always pulls us towards other situations and questions with her.

sounded more like Dorians father was mentally over physically abusive. not any better mind you, just typing stuff out honestly. i also think it was less about not knowing how to accept and more they just outright, or his father did at least,did not accept his transitioning. Dorian was basically banished to art school, afterall, until he had to return over his fathers health issues.

...yeah, our family really did have troubled lives before. no wonder they so easily accepted a second chance at family.
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>>3907264
Supporting this
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>>3907264
>>3907291

Chosen Family over Blood Family any day of the week. We are not our strength, we are our vulnerabilities woven in such a way as to be protected.
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>>3907321
im pretty sure i dont agree with that second statement.
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>>3907324

That's fine. You and I disagree fairly frequently. Though to clarify, I mean psychologically rather than system mechanically.
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>>3907351
yeah, i got that. but i simply disagree with the point and sentiment that that statement seems to be saying.
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>>3907321
actually, im thinking i basically almost believe the exact opposite of this, depending on how you would look at it.
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(Writing now, Gentlemen. Might take me a short while, update's longer than I expected it would be.)
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>>3907539
take your time bhop
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>>3907539
huh, well alright then. curious which half is making it longer, but we shall see...
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"Oh God, how are you so good at this? Did you take a massage class?" You say, trying to form coherent sentences as Gina works your abused foot like a pro, doing something to the back of your ankle that makes your toes curl. "S-seriously, though, what were you studying before all this? If you're okay talking about it, that is."

"I'll have you know I was a hit at the handful of high school sleepovers I went to, thanks to plenty of people to hone my skills on." Gina replies with a hint of pride in her voice. "Helped me figure a lot of stuff out actually, but...anyway, to answer your other question, I was majoring in computer science, which was kinda fun."

"And in your spare time?" You add, suppressing a groan as the brunette's hands begin to massage your calves.

"Games and writing, mostly. Never really visited home much, so I had a lot of time for those two." Gina answers, her voice dipping slightly before picking back up again, recalling her college years. "Loved me some good RTS titles, played some League and stuff online...as for the writing, I'd just crank out fics related to whatever show I was really into at the time."

A grin starts to creep onto your face, a sudden and welcome reminder

“Hey, so about those fanfics…”

"Oh Christ, I knew this was coming." Gina groans, holding a grimace for a moment before she starts to chuckle. “You...you can read them, okay? BUT! You have to promise me you won’t laugh. Deal?”

"Deal." You solemnly affirm, and with utmost care Gina slips her hand into her pocket and retrieves her phone, handing it to you with some measure of reluctance. Starting to flip through it while GG moves to your other calf, you open the folder and select the story marked 'SxG', to start.

"Alright, let's see...'They'd been wandering the Shrouded City for what felt like hours, with no sign of their allies since the Mountain King had separated them during the furious melee. Shu had taken the lead in cutting through the dark, leaving me to follow the sight of her perfect..."

"Oh sweet Jesus, please tell me you're not going to narrate them." Gina demands, hazel eyes going wide as you continue to read aloud.

"What? I like it so far, and we haven't even gotten to the good part yet. Oh, here we go." You tease, scrolling a bit further down. "...'we landed on top of each other, tangled and breathless as I fought to stay strong in the face of Shu's incredib..."

"God, I suck so fucking bad." Gina interrupts with a groan, rounding on you jokingly when you make a noise of protest. "What?! I do! These are shitty anime tropes!"

"You're a good writer!" You fire back sincerely. "I'm serious, this is good stuff!"

“You’re lying your ass off! It’s cringe!”

“It’s CUTE!” You counter, scrolling further down and increasing your reading volume as you continue. "See? 'Her clothes clung tight to her toned, lithe form, the flickering of the torch highlighting every curve of her physique as I slowl-HEY!"

(Continued)
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>>3907642

The screen goes a bright pink, Neuromantic interference obscuring the text as Gina sticks her tongue out at you.

"Alright, alright...if I read them to myself, will you let me take a look? Please? I really do want to read them." You plead, met with Gina's playful scowl. She stares at you suspiciously for a long moment before narrowing her eyes, the glow leaving them at the same moment the screen goes back to bearing the lurid and legible text. You read quietly, taking as much delight in the well-scripted exploits as you are in Gina's furtive glances up at you between her massaging, intent on for any sign of a reaction to her work.

You...have to admit, she's actually pretty good, at least by your metrics. The pacing's a little odd, but the chemistry, the setup, the...payoff, too; they're all well done. You can't help the warmth that's slowly filtering into your cheeks as you read in transfixed silence, and after you finish her tale you look up to realize she'd stopped massaging at some point, eyes locked on your subtly-shifting expressions.

"The use of Ravenous Maw was inspired." You say, dead-pan.

“Oh, fuck you!” She cackles, cringing between the bouts of laughter that come over her, and it doesn't take much of watching her succumb to warm, genuine laughter before you join her, lost in the moment until both of you can barely breathe. You're struggling for breath, wiping the tears from your eyes as Gina's body is still wracked with giggling after-shocks as you put her phone on the table beside you, safe from any subsequent flailing.

“Seriously, though...you ever shared any of your writings?" You finally manage to ask, sucking in a series of deep breaths as you finally get yourself together. "I mean, maybe not *these* fics, but I think you'd really get a following is you did."

“Eh, I never really thought about it before. I, uh…I don’t know.” Gina admits, eyes finding yours with a half-smile. “With everything that’s been going on, we don’t know how things are going to go from one minute to the next, so…”

Gina trails off, an odd look overtaking her eyes as she stares at her phone on the table beside you, absent-mindedly rubbing the back of your foot.

"...You know what's funny?" She finally says. "Thinking about school, writing, and everything that happened around that time of my life...I realize I never used to care about the future, or the past, or anything like that. I was content to just *be*...but I think there's a good way to do that, and a bad way to do that, and I was doing the latter."

"How so?" You ask, curious.

"I wasn't...I wasn't a good person." Gina admits, a sad lilt to her voice. "I was so in the present, so focused on me and my own shit that I didn't think about peoples' pasts or how I'd affect their futures. I was living day to day, just...shuffling from class to class, like grinding for a piece of loot that'd never drop. I was living, but...it didn't feel like it."

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>>3907644

The ghost of a smile plays on her lips as she continues to stare off at the space beside you.

"But now, with you, with everyone, it's...it's like I'm alive. Like, really, truly alive. Like I'm growing again, into a person I thought I'd never be. Someone worth being. I'm thinking all these things, and I'm so focused on the Crucible's past and the future of our plans for the Cord, but at the same time I...I don't want to go too far in the other direction from where I used to be, if that makes sense? I want to find the balance between what was, what is, and what will be."

She chuckles to herself before continuing.

"I don't know...I worry about the future a lot, now. Didn't used to, but...I have something I want to fight for. November, Fran, Julia, Dorian, Amara, Rath...everybody. I want to save you from the future, most of all. I never want to lose you, because you're..."

Hazel eyes lock with yours, and in that moment of connection you feel a warmth blossom across the empathic channel, wholly different than anything you've felt before.

"...you're everything to me, Shu."

She studies your face for a long, quiet moment before you see something about her gaze shift, a resolve set about her entire being.

“You know what? We can't know the future.” Gina muses, eyes flaring with Neuromantic light as her fingertips trail along the inside of your leg, the sensation lingering, looping even as her hand leaves your thigh.

“We don’t know what tomorrow will bring…” She continues as she straddles your waist, hands tracing agonizingly slow circles against the fabric that’s taught against your sides. “…or if we’ll be able to do anything to change the bad or take hold of the good.”

Her fingers quickly hook under the hem of her sweater, and your breath leaves with the discarded garment as it’s thrown to the side, its owner leaning down to run her hand through your hair as your skin flushes with heat. The lines of her corruption are…no. Corruption isn’t the right word. The electric lines that shine just under Gina’s skin render her almost ethereal in the dim lamplight, something beyond human as she drinks in the reflection of her luminous body in your eyes.

“We don’t know how or when our stories will come to an end.” She mutters softly, and your arms are frozen as her hand runs down the side of your face, along your bare neck to your collarbone. Your breath hitches in your throat, the graceful caress of your skin with one hand in time with the other slipping underneath your shimmering dress.

“So right here, right now? For however long we can make this moment last…”

Gina smiles the smile of a girl in love, eyes alight with adoration as she leans into you, lips grazing yours.

“…we’re in control, Shu.”

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The next time you wake, your eyes slowly open to the sight of Gina’s head resting on your chest, her brunette hair a marvelous mess tousled about on your bare skin. Breathing deep of the waking world you reach over, feeling about for Gina's phone and squinting at the clock, estimating about six or seven hours have passed since you last glanced at the device's approximated time. The sound of dishes and cups clacking against tables and saucers outside your door prompts you to listen a little more intently, your empathic field expanding past the confines of your room to sense that everyone appears to be up and about already, sans the Neesons.

Giving Gina a kiss on the forehead after fighting through her brunette mane, you slip out of the covers and retrieve your dress, finding the wrinkles surprisingly easy to pat out; a testament to the skilled craftsmen-and-women you have to thank for it's creation.

"Hey...I'm going to go check on everyone." You whisper, sitting on the edge of the bed and bringing the sheets up over Gina's shoulders, grinning as you watch her snuggles tighter underneath the covers.

"...Mhm, want me to come with?" She asks sleepily, hazel eyes straining against the lamplight.

"Nah, you get some rest, okay? Mind if I tell everyone about the thing with Ozmas last night?"

"Nah, s'okay. G'right ahead." She murmurs, sleepily clutching your pillow in the absence of you. “Mrm…love you.”

“...Love you too, Gina.” You reply with a smile.

Closing the door behind you, you're granted a brief moment before your arrival is noted, a moment that you take to simply admire the scene before you. Amara's running back and forth between the bar and the table, bringing plates of breakfast meats before Rosa and Sugar, while Sia and Francine talk animatedly at the other end of the table. Dorian, Julia, and (to your surprise) Bella are working swiftly to carve up the Amalgam whose hide is marred with a variety of crystals, courtesy of Sugar's hunting efforts, no doubt.

It's a domestic scene, warmly lit by the ever-present scarlet dawn filtering in through the Roost's massive windows. You're staring at the scenery when Amara notices you, calling your name and waving dramatically despite being a mere three meters away. Julia and Dorian greet you with a pair of pleasant smiles, while Rosa immediately stands and gestures to the open seat next to her, with Sia just ignoring her in favor of her continued discussion with the good doctor.

Outside those windows just beyond them, terrible things stalk the earth, and the gears of world-ending machinations grind your planet ever-closer to an unknown end...but here, and now, there's just you. There's just your family, your guests, your friends, and the woman you love.

It's a new day....

...and it's going to be a good one.

>>Thirty-Third Vein: Closed
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(Gentlemen, thank you so much for your time, patience, and consideration, as always. The 34th Vein is set to go live Tuesday, October 12th at 9:00AM, Eastern time. In the interim I'll be answering whatever questions are in the Vein, both old and new, as well as updating the sheets since that had fallen behind during my aggressive sickness. I welcome any questions, comments, and criticisms you all may have, and I'll work on addressing them as quickly as I can.)

(Thank you again for being such an incredible group of players and readers, and I hope you have a restful evening.)
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>>3907644
>“Eh, I never really thought about it before. I, uh…I don’t know.” Gina admits, eyes finding yours with a half-smile. “With everything that’s been going on, we don’t know how things are going to go from one minute to the next, so…”
Also, it would require enlisting the seven year-old to upload them to the current internet-equivalent, and that would be really uncomfortable.

>>3907657
>>3907665
Aww. Good update, BHOP.
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>>3907657
>>3907665
eh... not my a good scene or ending. would've preferred skipping to black much sooner honestly.

>>3907669
looking forward to the next Vein and the answers BHOP.

>>3907671
yeah, it would be. maybe just temp give Gina a skintalker level or something, if that was to be done. though, that sounds like a dangerous thing to give Gina.
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>>3907671
>>3907684
actually, im surprised Skintalker/Neuromancy isnt a special hybrid type like some other combinations.
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>>3907665
As always, thanks for the awesome thread BHOP. Can't wait to see where the story's going next!
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>>3907669
Thanks for running, BHOP. This was a good unwind chapter. See you next week.

>>3907687
Skintalker/Neuromancer is probably pretty strong, yeah. Lots of really nasty terrain manipulation and status effects, I figure. Make fighting the user near impossible, even if they aren't necessarily themselves that deadly.
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>>3907669
>october
don’t you mean november?
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>>3907704
(Nope, we're going back in time. Buckle up, we're about to get non-Euclidian in /qst/.)

(November it is, yes.)
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>>3907701
>>3907695
>>3907671
>>3907684

(Thanks for your kind words, as always. The next Vein will open fairly early with the Ant Queen's reply, and then on to Laoc and the like, which has plenty going on. I'm looking forward to it, as some old faces will show up again.)
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he also called Betty Bella. he's just tired, dont dig too deep into that when BHOP gets tired, otherwise you end up with half the update deleted and replaced.

>>3907710
hey Octobers a nice month, what with all the horror and spooky stuff. if you can do that BHOP have at it.

>>3907701
id imagine,terrifyingly so, such a combination could make the fleshscape bend to your will. no, not terraforming, just the fleshscape basically coming alive or being outright actually hijacked as a 'living being' to do your bidding, thus making it immune or resistant to others effects.

>>3907716
>Ant Queen
>Old Faces
fuck yes.
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>>3907716
>The next Vein will open fairly early with the Ant Queen's reply
Haha, yes. Buckle up, Amara, you're about to make friends with ants!

>I'm looking forward to it, as some old faces will show up again.
Ooh, interesting. Who do we know that isn't dead, we didn't see recently enough to not be an "old face", and isn't a giant immobile robot head? I think it's just Lara, actually. I hope that Best Caterpillar has finally pupated and become Best Moth.
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>>3907727
Lara, Magpie, OOC honestly the Midnight Crew, though IC arguable. i guess maybe Charon and Ringo, but iffy territory there too. besides Mara, do we even really know that many others we haven't literally just met?

....we really need more people to live after we meet them it feels like.

>>3907716
oh, and have another pic BHOP.
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>>3907716
one question: are dual techs a thing? it’s been so long since we got an update of the list that we had.
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>>3907736
>Magpie, OOC honestly the Midnight Crew, though IC arguable. i guess maybe Charon and Ringo
Shu saw all of those no more than three days ago. Out of character, Magpie might count, due to her last appearance being ten Veins ago, but I don't think the Crew, Charon or Ringo would.

>....we really need more people to live after we meet them it feels like.
Indeed. Ceres' team was supposed to survive and go on to be recurring characters, but then West Gamma ate them. Frickin' West Gamma. Well, I guess we'll meet more (hopefully) non-dying people when we go into town next Vein.
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>>3907752
hey, even IC three days is alot in Crucible time. OOC thats like, weeks.
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>>3907716
>Betty, Julia, and dorian carving up an amalgam for breakfast
that reminds me. Do we even get level up points from consuming amalgams like civilized people? Or do we have to consume the kill like an animal? Because the last time we did such a thing was the slime girl hunting and killing a crystal Rocbird for breakfast and yet we never got level up points.
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i think its implied those Amalgams are simply too weak to get more than one level out of, except we're spreading said level out over several people, so...

i dont think cooking it is the issue, considering Rath has literally charred part of our kills into ash before.
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>>3907758
(Sugar's a bit more giving than that amorphous hooligan, so you'll get one level-up apiece from her gift.)
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>>3907773
>another 5 hours of voting on its way.
oh dear.
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>>3907773
Man, what ever happened to her? She was here when we left for the forest and gone by the time we teleported back with the Phalanges in tow. I guess she just slinked back out through the cracks while no one was watching?
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>>3907773
>>3907767
you know, it feels like we need to learn how to make clearer kills.
I’m almost certain there’s a daughter that specializes in the art of THE HUNT who gets very obsessed with making the cleanest kills when hunting amalgams or daughters.
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>>3907780
Nah, it's only one each. We'll get it done in an hour. Probably.

In many ways, I am grateful to November for not leveling normally. No debate over what she puts her points into. Though I think we should start designing some Tier Five Relics for her now that we have the Forge Core for it.
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>>3907780
>>3907773
also a kadath vote for Francine because we paid Yui and Lepisma a visit
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>>3907789
She already got her Kadath vote for this Vein. Any new Kadath stuff would have to be with the upcoming Vein.
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>>3907785
im just gonna say it, i do not think our party is really built for 'clean kills'.
best i can think of is Gina stunning someone while Dorian casually slits their throat and bleeds them dry.

>>3907788
issue with November is getting her enough Relics honestly. her entire shtick is using Relics yet most of our Relic loadout is honestly so useful on other characters its hard to pull enough at times away to give to her.

it would help if BHOP gave us actual 'rules' or 'guidelines' for T5 relics, as you have to remember Tier does not entirely mean better with the Forge system, but is about halfway just an organization method.
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>>3907773
I just realized: Gina’s corruption is basically making her look like a bio version of Cortana
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>>3907804
i was thinking Tron honestly.
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>>3907804
>>3907805
She's some sort of cyber-lady, certainly. Kind of interesting to think, but since Gina has a Vitruvian Core thanks to Kosi, she's unlikely to get too mutated. Probably is going to stay aesthetically appealing instead of a weird monster like Shu's likely to get. Rath and now Francine, too. Maybe we should get the whole party some levels in Vitruvian powers, make sure we all stay comfortably monstergirl instead of full kaiju like Mara.
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>>3907823
um.. Shu’s got part of a vitruvian power courtesy of Isabelle with that one augmentation that makes our regeneration immune to harmful manipulation.
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>>3907823
eh, we already kinda have pushed and made it a deal where we dont care about it, so i dont see why we should back out of that now. plus, Rath WANTS to be more monstery, and her Vitruvian is the opposite of Yurei's and Isabelles, so she might actually be more prone to corruption in some ways.
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>>3907823
that, and i think it doesn't exactly work that way. id be highly surprised if Mara had no Vitruvian in her, considering how potent they can be for survival and just how leveled she is.
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>>3907833
>>3907773
is Rath happy with the onset of glowing eyes and smoking skin? Wait. she is, Dorian had to stop her from examining herself in ignition mode
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>>3907838
i genuinely think Rath would be stoked about having Julia level corruption WITHOUT the caveat of being able to hide it.
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>>3907830
Maybe. Not sure if a Vitruvian passive is enough.

>>3907833
I'm thinking for mostly practical concerns. We will of course love all our party members no matter what they look like. It's not an aesthetic thing, they're beautiful the way they are. But if we all become giant monsters, the Lair is going to get cramped, and it will be harder to do certain missions. Though I admit that does tie into some aesthetic reasons, too, the idea of bizarre biopunk domestic scenes appeals to me and I think those would be more interestingly jarring if we were all still humanoid.

>>3907838
>>3907840
Yeah, Rath loves that she's becoming a fire elemental. And I don't blame her, her mutations are sweet.
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>>3907854
she’s also got the option of going full frost elemental too. just flip the switch from fire to ice with the northern lights augmentation.
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>>3907854
eh, we'll see. i personally like the idea of us basically shrugging it off even as it becomes something major. its kinda us showing our defiance of what its purpose is supposed to be, and the idea that being human is just as much a mentality as a physicality. plus, the body horror aspects have ended up lacking quite a bit honestly. we could use some more of the quests actual namesake, and getting it through the sacrifices of gathering strength sounds like a fitting enough way to do it. i can see plenty of things to do with it too, thats in my opinion is much more interesting than a bunch of humanoid monstergirl like folks just sitting around. lessens the point and impact of the corruption massively in my opinion too, may aswell just not have it if its just gonna be anime tier 'basically not a thing' type.

plus, the Lair can expand quote a bit. it does bring up the question of what the Lairs limits are though.
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>>3907878
Fair. I'm not really proposing this, we've got too many things to be spending levels on to get worried about hunting down Vitruvian powers anyway. Just an idle thought of "man, the Lair is going to get crowded once there's a giant bug queen, a living thunderstorm of blood, some sort of badger that can eat with its skin, and whatever Amara turns into living in here". I doubt we can expand it that much, or else Mara would still have lived inside it personally instead of creating quarters for her avatar. But you're right, it will let us do some "price for power" themes, so that should be interesting even if it's cramped.

Speaking of "whatever Amara turns into", I have a simultaneously horrible and wonderful idea for where her corruption is headed: Ninja. Think about it, it makes sense. Queen Crimson turning into the classic red ninja scarf. Hunter's Honor growing those light armor plates. Hollistic Lexicon giving her a face mask so her mouth's movement can't be seen. And Joyous Many turning into an identity-concealing body suit so all the clones blend together more easily. I'm only half-serious about this, but it actually fits.
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>>3907669
Thanks for the Vein Bhop. I'll embalm (archive) it in my spare time.
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>>3907914
you mean it's turning Amara into a pint-sized Warframe.

Hmm...the only question is, which warframe is Amara going to become?

I'm thinking Excalibur Umbra.
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>>3907914
There's also the idea that Amara keeps on Shalev's Shawl which makes her an invisible ninja.
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>>3907291
>sounded more like Dorians father was mentally over physically abusive. not any better mind you, just typing stuff out honestly.
Mental and emotional abuse hurts on a deeper level to a child.

When it comes to physical abuse, the kid would usually suck it up and their bodies would adapt fast and grow hardier since they still have ways to grow until their physical prime. It's relatively easy to adapt to.

But the Emotional and mental abuse? Those hurt on the same level as Wartime PTSD. It's a trauma that the child's mind can't really adjust to and it stays with them even into adulthood without outside help and constant support.
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>>3907914
>Later on Amara gains a teleportation ability similar to the 4D movement of the Tindalos Hounds
>A requirement of the power is that Amara needs something of roughly the same size as herself to swap places with
>Enemies are baffled when they impale Amara, only to see that they've attacked fleshy logs instead
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>>3908002
I think we have a relic that would work as a very good ninja log which is "THE FLESHBAG" Relic that I made several veins ago.
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>>3907932
(I greatly appreciate it, Anon.)
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>>3907669
You too, bhop. I imagine it can be taxing to do the quest and I think we all appreciate what you do here.
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>>3901486

>>as for my questions, ill post em, but neither i guarantee you will feel up to for tonight most likely.

>>when you have a moment, id like you to go over the Character Sheet and see if I got things right, and what I missed. I've been adding a [Kadath] tag to appropriate abilities, though I am unsure of if I got them all or were wrong on some.

(I’ll review the character sheet tonight once I’m home, since I need to scour it anyway to come up with the full list of resistances and immunities to compare with my notes to make sure I’m not overlooking anything. I’ll post my thoughts as well as the immune/resist table when I’m done.)

>>So, just how does Hybrid dilution work, if you are ok with elaborating a bit?(Excuses, Francine, Wests notes). We know anything over 3 typically starts to dilute the abilities actual effectiveness, but how and just how potently? Alot of my thoughts comes on late game thinking. As Abilities never get fully locked out of being hybridized, it seems like even if just for the raw, incredible base stat boosts you would get, even high level hybrids you would want to continue to hybrid once at max level, especially because it doesn't really ever lock out the hybrid materials unless it is an ‘upgrade’ to it, albeit I think we have seen it where the upgrade still significantly changes the abilities its locking out, but still meant to be an improvement. Is there a risk of this starting to instead negatively affect abilities? Or is more akin to eventually hybrids are diluted to the point they are just basic effect and damage increases for the abilities they are made of, or something? Or even worse, do hybrids eventually literally just becomes giant stat increases, and nothing else? I mean, again, those would be some meaty stat increases per level id imagine, so still probably worth it, but still.

(Hybrid dilution is a direct result of the manual processing required by the QM/DM. Triple-Hybrids are the current ‘max’ due to the functional balance of complexity and mechanics, with most beta-test Quadruple-Hybrids starting to muddle the waters in terms of uniqueness and the sheer amount of bookkeeping required to make them work. Thus, any hybrids of four or more abilities are hard-capped in terms of the stats they give, meaning that there’s no mechanical benefit or detriment for stacking more than three at any time. In testing, you’d eventually end up with this very vague ability that more of a beatstick than anything, and wasn’t very fun to use as opposed to thinking creatively with different distinct abilities at one’s disposal. If you need more specifics, please let me know.)

(The only Daughter to successfully hybridize all of the normal Class Abilities has essentially broken the system in doing so, and was locked away as a result…going more into the hows and whys of her powers would be spoilers, I’m afraid.)
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>>3908555
>(The only Daughter to successfully hybridize all of the normal Class Abilities has essentially broken the system in doing so, and was locked away as a result…going more into the hows and whys of her powers would be spoilers, I’m afraid.)
I'm having trouble even imagining what she would look like. Best I can guess is that combining code from every single skill type has effectively recreated the dev console and given her freeform manipulation of Crucible biomass. Flesh Artisan, Neuromancer and Skin Talker give her a wide range of tools for manipulating biomass, and then the other nine classes feed the hybrid blueprints for what can be done with those tools.
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>>3908572
not to mention the MO and motivation that would scare Ozmas into using admin code to lock her away. Ozmas would have to burn quite a lot of Tokens to lock the daughter away and keep it locked away.
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>>3908572
>>3908555
they would have to be grouped appropriately and hybridized in a correct combination too.

The way I see it it would probably be done this way:

>Neuromancer, Phantasmal Conduit, Skintalker into 1 triple hybrid
Combine and amplify the manipulation of mind and terrain with skintalker sensory and lexicon coding to go with dreamscape and Neuromancy shenanigans.

>Generator, Hive Mistress, Flesh Artisan, into 1 triple hybrid
Creation and Control. Flesh Artisan Fleshshaping and Generator's raw power tempered by Hive Mistress precision and control.

>Humoral Paladin, Fibromancer, Calcite Armorer into 1 triple Hybrid
Regen power, strength and defense rolled into one that befits the "flesh/blood/bone" motif.

>Gluttonous, UnNatural Predator, Vitruvian into 1 triple hybrid
Inhumanity of Monstrous gluttony balanced by the paradigm of Humanity.

Then take all 4 triple hybrids and mash them together into one giant hybrid.
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>>3907669
I love the wholesome family times during the apocalypse. Thanks for running BHOP.

>>3908555
>(The only Daughter to successfully hybridize all of the normal Class Abilities has essentially broken the system in doing so, and was locked away as a result…going more into the hows and whys of her powers would be spoilers, I’m afraid.)
BHOP: tries to keep his game runnable by mortal minds by limiting complexity
Also BHOP: lemme create a horribly complex monster that combines all of my mechanics into one

>>3907914
Amara seems pretty into the whole ninja thing already so I could definitely see this happening.
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>>Me: (Due to the significant demands of the system's multifaceted nature on top of the almost civ-like elements constantly running in the background, minimizing calculations and streamlining the underlying processes would lead to significant improvements to a complex machine of variables.)

>>Also Me: hurr durr imma break it
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>>3908586
i was thinking she just combined them all at once, not as hybrids.

>>3908555
ah, so you actually have mechanics in place to prevent further hybridization even just for significant stat gains?

honestly? with that much gimping of 4+s it sounds like after a certain point it would be better to just mechanically actually lock the ability down from further hybridization, over still allowing it. theres a saying i think applies here very heavily; 'never allow your players to do something you dont want them to do, and never punish your players for something you allowed them to do.'

mind you, this isnt saying 'a player cannot make a bad decision they get punished for' or anything, its mostly talking mechanics, though they do overlap with actual gameplay decisions. like making an NPC you made necessary for the story killable, then just fading to a black screen or something for them killing them. you made them killable, so dont punish the player with a game over for killing them, when if they are that important you can make them unkillable, though this is usually only applicable when the player otherwise has a reason in your game to expect to be able to kill them freely of course, as context matters.
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>>3908555
Question since it regards Archiving: Are we still on ACT 3 (aka mid-game)? It's important for the purposes of Archive tagging.
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>>3909303
(Yes, you are.)
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I'm not sure if this was recorded in the Relics Idea Catalogue, but I'm reposting this idea with a slight adjustment to it's features. Please rate the relic.

>FLESHBAG: A Construct/Relic/Amalgam/thing, who lives to be the perfect practice target. No one knows who made it. With Beady Black eyes, a blank expression, and a white leathery exterior, the Fleshbag awaits to welcome violence with relish, with some claiming it visibly enjoys the pain. Daughters that attack it instantly and intuitively know the damage type, the type of attack used, the number of hits in a combo string, and total damage inflicted on the Fleshbag with its health, size, and defense adjusted and scaled appropriately to the average stats of all participating daughters within range when combat against the Fleshbag begins. Very Vulnerable to all damage types and methods of attack crowd control, status effects, you name it. Yet nothing seems to completely destroy it as it will instantly restore itself to pristine condition 1 round at after the end of combat no matter how much overkill is inflicted.

>>3909318
Thank you for the clarification. Working on coming up with an apt description for a slow slice-of-life vein.
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>>3909356
seems more reasonable. i think it never got recorded because you agreed you accidentally made it into too potent a shield in combat compared to what you actually intended it to be used for. though i think changing it to it just having good regen while no daughter is actively in a combat state would work(as such a state is an actual thing and only activates when a daughter is threatened/threatening, so would easily be avoided during training, even against eachother.)

Rath would probably like it, though i dont see it as a particularly personal gift, and would fit better in a more commons area for the family to use.

mind in return commenting on these?
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>>3909384
Oh, yeah, a workout room would be pretty neat. What do we have as the Lair's layout right now? There are a couple of bedrooms, the common room with bar and ballpit, the Forge and Engine rooms, Mara's office, and a garage. Is that it, have I missed any?

I like the Relic you made, being able to give November access to Augments she can no longer get any other way could benefit her a lot. Especially if her plasma weaponry counts as Generator abilities for the sake of Burrowing Blasts or Caster's Curveball, letting her borrow those from Rath would be really cool. Or Hideous Strength to benefit from her huge Health pool, add that on top of her Forge Body's strength and she'd be tossing around kaiju. Probably overall get more use out of it with survivability upgrades, though, toss her Inviolable Constitution or Resilient Spiral.

I'm not sure on the hybrid ability, though. It feels a bit off to have gravity manipulation be Neuromancy/Neuromancy/Phantasmal. I get what you're going for, Neuromancy is terrain effects and Phantasmal is auras, but it's still odd to have so many mental class components to such a very physical power. I can't help but feel that one of the Neuromancy skills should be something else, like a Vitruvian skill focused around changing mass or something like that. The skill itself is good, albeit the sort that demands a build be centered around it to get proper effect. Need a lot of support skills to make it work.
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>>3901542
>seems more reasonable. i think it never got recorded because you agreed you accidentally made it into too potent a shield in combat compared to what you actually intended it to be used for. though i think changing it to it just having good regen while no daughter is actively in a combat state would work(as such a state is an actual thing and only activates when a daughter is threatened/threatening, so would easily be avoided during training, even against eachother.)
Thanks. I will comment on this, I still want to give some creativity for daughters that use the Relic to use it as improvised bombs or combat shields and reward their lateral thinking with the Fleshbag, but rein in the "invincibility" factor enough so that it isn't completely broken as a combat shield. The reason for the instant regeneration for 1 round out after combat's end is to ensure that any number of overkill dealt on the Fleshbag will render it unusable for the rest of combat to prevent shield abuse or bomb carrier abuse.

>mind in return commenting on these?
Sure thing.
>GoodWills Gesture
I like the idea of swapping Augments between one daughter and another since it's at least restricted to augmentations and not entire ability trees.

Mix and match augmentations and we might stumble upon a broken combo in a scenario. The only issue that I have with this is the duration of the 'gifted' augmentation and the frequency of swapping the 'tagged' augmentation, and the fact that only one pendant is made. If this relic were to be of better use, you'll need to make multiple pendants to keep track of the donor and recipient of the tagged relic.

>Graviton Dome
That's a very exotic hybrid ability since the premise seems to convey the idea that the ability allows you to abuse physics and gravity like how Tindalos abuse the timeline continuity, but the Neuromancer/Neuromancer/Phantasmal Conduit combination doesn't make sense. would make better sense if it was Generator/Neuromancer/Phantasmal Conduit since the Generator type abilities consistently show a high affinity for manipulating the elements (like air, frost, fire, radiation, acid) if we're to treat gravity like an elemental damage type.
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>>3909384
I can already think of a broken augmentation combo applied on November with the Goodwill Gesture:

If we somehow got the following augmentation again:
>AMORPHOUS STRAND (Tensile Strand Augmentation): Rath's connection to her own limbs and extremities is something she can live without...until it's time to spring a trap, of course. Rath may choose to reduce her Tensile Strands to a viscous liquid before reforming them as a free action, allowing her to catch foes unawares when her strand re-forms into the razor wire she favors. Her admiration of you is starting to affect how she approaches combat, and she's starting to realize the benefit of holding one's cards close to her meager chest. (BIO REGEN +5%)

November's Forgebody could somehow become Monsoon.
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>>3909435
i think you got all the rooms correct yeah.

and fair the the triple hybrid, but we simply haven't seen anything from the other abilities that i felt could really justify helping make it. it felt like any abilities that could build up to it would simply be more focused neuromancy powers overall. maybe a generator ability could work? actually yeah, Generator might work, though what element is beyond me, as personally the issue is i dont think the elements seen work well to be converted to this.

>>3909440
well, yeah. i personally feel the pendant would be way too powerful if it had access to more than one ability per pendant at a time.

see above for the Triple Hybrid part.
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>>3909447
im unsure if that one would work though, as its an ability specific augment, not a passive or one-shot one. she doesn't have tensile strands to melt down, is the thought here, just like how Rath could only melt down the strands herself with it, not say, her entire arm.
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>>3909447
also also
>that flat joke
cheeky as always BHOP.
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>>3909453
I get that and the point you're trying to make. What I'm saying there needs to be a "recipient" pendant and a "donor" pendant in order to make the GoodWill Gesture seem more intuitive in appearance and function. Like a set of two pendants, one with an empty socket with the other containing a gemstone and the gemstone passing betwen the two. Both pendants need to be worn between two people in order to make sure the Relic effects work properly. Otherwise you'll have a lesser version of the GoreGrowth Box that carries Augmentations between two people.
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>>3909453
>actually yeah, Generator might work, though what element is beyond me, as personally the issue is i dont think the elements seen work well to be converted to this
I guess maybe a wind skill? Have that focus on force and pressure, then when it combines with Phantasmal Conduit it gets translated from being air pressure to the aura exerting force. That's the best I can think of for Generator. Personally, I'd approach it from a Vitruvian standpoint, even if that sounds a bit weird at first glance. But personal mass-manipulation should be something that falls within Vitruvian themes, altering the self without any overt changes to the body. The field is centered on the user, so having it be a personal gravity well from their manipulated mass fits.
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>>3909464
i guess? i dont see why that would actually be necessary though.

>>3909467
im not sure that actually falls under what Vitruvian can do though. so far it seems like a more survivalist like ability. what you're describing sounds more like a Fibromancer/Flesh Artisian hybrid to me, or at least would require Fibromancy. at the very least i dont think straight up Vitruvian could do it on its own for sure.
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>>3909502
I was seeing it as being along the same logic as Tensile Strand being Vitruvian instead of Fibromancy. Boosting defenses (high mass) and mobility (low mass) without having any overt outward manifestation when not in use. As I understand it, Vitruvian's theme is "bodily wholeness", so mass shifting should fit. But I can see an argument for the ability falling under other classes, I think there's actually a lot of overlap between Vitruvian and other classes, especially Fibromancy.
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>>3909515
still feels odd to me that Fibromancer supposedly has the strongest defensive capabilities. i mean, yeah, thick muscles help, but theres a reason solid metal was always preferred to hardy cloth or leather for high grade armor. we also seem to see way more defensive Calcite Armorers than Fibromancers, even with Fibromancers supposedly being one of the most common classes.

might just roll back to BHOP saying our playstyle and luck resulting in some odd occurrences though.

on the topic at hand though, according to Wests notes, Vitruvian are "simple powers with limitless applications" and a "subtle one". ironically,m what we are describing id argue feels too specific and limited in application compared to that descriptor. really does actually feel like a Fibromancer from how you are describing it.

probably best to just put it as a Generator ability im thinking, and argue it to be a rare/unique 'damage' type, and/or the hybrid forwent the damage type in exchange for a unique application.
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>>3909533
>might just roll back to BHOP saying our playstyle and luck resulting in some odd occurrences though.

The personality of a daughter would also have a huge factor in the type of daughters that we tend to gravitate towards and interact with. Much of what we've encountered from other daughters are the reserved and somewhat shy types with a few exceptions. And from what we've seen thus far and know both IC and OOC, Daughters with Fibromancy Cores are implied to be very aggressive in power and personality. With Bhop confirming that Sam with a Fibromancy would be a very aggressive Sexual Tyrannosaurus.
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>>3909533
>still feels odd to me that Fibromancer supposedly has the strongest defensive capabilities. i mean, yeah, thick muscles help, but theres a reason solid metal was always preferred to hardy cloth or leather for high grade armor. we also seem to see way more defensive Calcite Armorers than Fibromancers, even with Fibromancers supposedly being one of the most common classes.
I guess the idea is that it's shock-absorbing. Shifts with an impact to take the blow instead of being a breakable shell, with the fibers themselves having the tensile strength not to tear or be cut. But yeah, aside from Mara we haven't really seen that much defensive Fibromancy. I think Rath fought one offscreen back during the fight with Sasha while communications were jammed, but that's it.

>on the topic at hand though, according to Wests notes, Vitruvian are "simple powers with limitless applications" and a "subtle one". ironically,m what we are describing id argue feels too specific and limited in application compared to that descriptor. really does actually feel like a Fibromancer from how you are describing it.
I think mass alteration is subtle and simple but has a lot of applications. Lots of tricks you can do with altering your inertia to change momentum. Especially if you can change whether or not you conserve energy, and therefore shift velocity along with mass. You'd be near impossible to pin down and require specialized tactics to fight against, I think that's pretty Vitruvian.
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>>3909547
>aggressive Sexual Tyrannosaurus.
W O R D I N G
but i laughed hard.

>Video related but Sam with Fibromancer abilities
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3rfAjpHOyI

you do make a good point that we probably have somewhat naturally avoided said type of character. id also imagine part of it is, despite their commonality, Fibromancers probably either reach their destination quickly, or die quickly.

>>3909550
i think it was Julia who fought one? Rath fought the SECOND known butterfly quantity girl, but literally just punched her way through said swarm like they were paper to the sheer horror of the girl. got cut up alot though doing it, but sounded pretty badass.

and eh, thats not how you made your idea sound earlier, and im stuff unsure i agree, or maybe more with it being a pure non hybrid ability.
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also, anyone remember anything about Penny? i know Julia actually mentioned a bit about her experiences with her, but no idea where or when that would be. otherwise all i can remember about her is her NOT helping Alamath and flipping us off with a smile later.
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>>3909564
Penny didn't help at Almath just because we didn't know her well enough for her to manifest, or something like that. She's not angry with us, she's just always like that. We wound up talking to her back in Vein 30. She's actually from New Jersey, and has the cockney accent because she watched way too many British dramas as a kid. Kind of aggressively crass, but decent enough. Penny's getting along with Julia, thinks she's nice, and she's taking it under advisement to go speak with Sasha in Amara's dreamscape. I predict shenanigans will ensue.
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>>3909577
ah, yeah thanks, now i remember her. shame i forgot, loved that scene, but ill chalk it up to having 20+ characters to remember details about.

also she did manifest actually, she was mentioned in an IC list off at some point near the beginning of further reinforcements, but then wasn't actually listed on the applicable dreamdaughters to put onto teams. which implied she fucked off to somewhere else instead of helping. or maybe if we want to be fair to her, she did manifest, but like Sam was unstable for some reason?
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>>3909580
I think Penny did manifest in the Almath fight, but I think she was lost in the background combat because big battle scenes tend to do that.
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>>3909594
Nah, because that wouldn't make sense due to us getting to assign everyone else to teams but not her.
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>>3909598
Maybe it's just that without the context of hanging out with Shu, her response to manifesting and seeing this huge battle was "what the fuck? No way am I getting close enough to figure out what this is about" and only after the fact learned it was a battle for the fate of mankind.
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>>3909599
>>3909594
ah, found it;
>Vein 25
>{Niku and Uzu just demolished the spire, and Penny showed up with Gemma to set up some hit-and-run tactics…} Gina replies, struggling to keep her responses clipped and professional in the face of the chaos erupting around her. {She got a couple of hits in on Johanna, but…it’s not taking}

but then just a few posts down when we were to assign the newcomers the list was;
>>PLEASE ASSEMBLE/REASSEMBLE ADDITIONAL SQUADS FROM THE INDIVIDUALS BELOW AND CURRENT TEAMS
>>Dorian, Amara (Prime), Niku, Gemma, Hera, Sasha, Sororitias (counts as one)

in which she just up and vanished apparently.

>>3909599
could be, but the Gemma thing made it sound like she knew exactly what was going on, but back off later.
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>>3909611
bhop might've forgotten or lost track of the cast which is a possibility.
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>>3909614
possibly.

>>3909318
speaking of dream daughters BHOP, have Shu and the Alamath incident changed the Midnight Crews stance on interacting with their dream daughters at all? or despite both do they still not care, or think simply they have ignored it too long to mend those possible ties?
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>>3909611
Maybe she took a bad hit and was long in reforming?
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>>3909624
maybe. dont see why she would take longer than anyone else though. honestly im unsure even Julia had talked ot her yet, so im of the opinion she fecked off once she saw an opening. probably did the same as the Midnight Crews DDs and was only gonna jump in if Julia specifically was going to die if she didnt.
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>>3909625
When we did talk to Penny for the first time, Penny did mention that Julia did in fact talk to Penny.
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>>3909629
yeah, but we dont know when. she still may of not talked to her til after Alamath.
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(Regarding Penny; she actively participated in the battle of Almath, but she's was less than a team player at the time. Thus, she was outside of your control. The present Dream Daughters actually got damage and defense buffs proportional to how much/ how often you had interacted with them in your downtime.)

>>3909624
(Penny was also throwing herself at the opposition, and kept getting smacked down, so instead of having a separate counter for Penny's regens, I figured it'd be easier to leave her out.)

>>3909618
(I believe that you'll be happy to know that the Crew is now actively engaging with their Dream Daughters as a result of their interacting with you. It's an uphill battle, but they're working at a better relationship.)
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>>3909852
>It's an uphill battle, but they're working at a better relationship.
Well thats good to hear. Interacting with Ace must be interesting. You with have this big calcite armor talk to ya, or you're seeing a side of her not even her crew see, in a quite literal way.

And fair enough on Penny i suppose.
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>>3909940
>Huge buff knight armor
>smol girl inside.
No wonder Ace was able to cram so much booze inside when they came for the Prohibition Party.
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>>3909852
>Shu entertains a variety of guests in her house, from the Barbers to the Dream Daughters, with a phone call from 'Mother' Ozmas in between.

>33rd Vein Archived

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3894141/

The following excerpt is a piece of flash fiction dialogue that's tells a story related to pic posted.

>"You seeing this Janet? Look at the view!"

>[How high is this Cord? We aren't even a thousandth of the way up!]

>"It's the only way we can all go up without having to deal with that pesky gatekeeper!"

>{Lexa! Janet! Found a spot to rest! Looks like a Cave of some sort! and it's empty!}

>[Finally! After 33 fukin times We finally get an empty perch!]

>"It's been too long since I saw earth like this...The sound of the wind, the blue skies..."

>[The Jet engine Dragon amalgams that keep attacking us every time?]

>"Shut it Janet! Let me have this!"

>{What was that noise?}

>*A piercing shriek could be heard from inside the depths the cave*

>[Oh no.]

>{Guess break time's over}

>[RUN!]

>"Out of the cave, onwards and upwards!"

>[I hate this Lexa!]
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>>3910070
Free-climbing a state-sized living space elevator. Beautiful. The sky would look weird, halfway up the Cord. Higher up it would be the blood-red of the orbital membrane. But look out horizontally and you'll see blue sky, fading through purple up to the membrane as you gaze upwards. Because there would be more air sideways than up, so you'd still get it absorbing most of the red wavelengths in those directions. It would be pretty. At least until the Skewers come along and start trying to knock you off.
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>>3910101
>free climbing
That's for hardcore Vitruvians.

Some of them might have extra limbs or physical corruption that would help them climb faster and more easily.
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>>3910105
Unnatural Predators might be able to do it too. They lack the high regens but they do have high health and bio.
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>>3910105
Vitruvians would be more on the least likely side to have applicable corruption or abilities honestly.
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>>3909945
so do you think its that Ace has actually expanded, and the Armor is her 'skin' now? or it still is just Armor, so theres a little 14(?) year old having to use some method to control a suit bigger than herself? or something else?
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>>3910297
Maybe a bit of both? There's a core of teenager at the center of the armor, but extending out from it is a gel filler of black bile that she uses as "muscles" by manipulating it with her Humoral Paladin abilities. And then as time goes on and corruption rises, more and more of her normal muscular system gets replaced with the Melancholic gel until she's just a bunch of organs floating inside a black ooze. Kind of like the amalgamated constructs in Mercenary Tributary's cold war magic setting.
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>>3910336
thats an interesting take. i feel like we would see some black sludge though dripping out, nor would she be such a strangely empty and useful storage container if she was full of black sludge.

...wonder if she acts as a better cooler or heater for items? i wanna say heater but they DID store alcohol in her.
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>>3910343
Well, she could still have isolated spaces in her shell that she could put things in, that booze locker would have to be separated from the rest of her insides no matter how she animates the armor. And I imagine the gel as pretty viscous and non-leaking. Black bile is the "retentive" humor, after all, it's supposed to be pretty coagulated.

As for her temperature, I'm thinking cold. Fits better thematically with Melancholic personality types, they don't run hot. Not super cold, she's not a Generator, but a little below room temperature, just enough to chill your drink.
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>>3910364
maybe. could also be she has 'bloated corpse' syndrome inside, but you know, while still alive.

and i can see it being cold because of that sure. still terrifying how quickly she got cut in half against Vultha, but to be fair it became clear pretty fast Vultha was a step higher than the rest. Dorians gonna be terrifying once he gets those strands on par with him. seriously even Rath on full burn had trouble getting though, and i still suspect it was because everyone else had run his bio reserves low.

otherwise, i do hope Quinns doing better with her build. BHOP said she had made some progress but she really needed to outright change her core a bit over fighting its transformative properties over her other abilities.
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i just had a horrible, morbid thought we should not do, at all, but im still gonna say it.
what is instead of giving Sugar a Fuzzbuzz, we give her a choice selection of a sliver of skin from a few of our party members, or even just Shu?

otherwise, on a topic that wont make peoples skin crawl, or, maybe actually would more if you think too hard on what our clothing is made of, should we make proper outfits for meeting the Ant Queen? or do you think its best not to bother, as they might not even yet have the ability to appreciate us dressing up for the meeting?
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>>3910718
I mean, there is a absolutely no chance that Julia's tea isn't made out of her skin (we all know your secret, Julia, you're fooling no one), so I don't think it's actually too creepy to give Sugar some skin samples. I still think that she should get a FuzzBuzz, though, the skin would be extra. Everyone should get FuzzBuzzes, they're our signature. You see someone with a FuzzBuzz, you know they've met Shu. Which I'm still waiting to find out the response to people seeing Charon and Ringo with FuzzBuzzes, that's going to be interesting.

As for dressing up for the Ant Queen, I like the idea but I agree that I'm not sure she'd notice. She doesn't even know the concept of clothing, let alone fancy clothing. On the other hand, the Pyre Ants communicate through smell, so maybe apply perfume? Our swarmlings can probably produce their own pheromone signatures, and we could use data gathered from the FuzzBuzzes that have integrated into the Nest to find out what smells the Ant Queen would consider nice.
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>>3910755
well, id argue we try and at least limit Fuzzbuzzes to people who have earned our trust, not just handing them out willy nilly.

also Julias tea works BECAUSE no one admits to what it is and its specifically altered for a purpose.

>perfumes
that could work yeah. huh... wonder if our aura abilities could directly translate to smells with the right twinking? kinda an odd train of thought, but closest and easiest i can think of to get us a variety.
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>>3910297
i just like the comedic dissonance between seeing a smol girl as the true self in the dreamscape while her physical body is that of a towering knight.
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>>3910755
>>3910770
bees also communicate through a mix of pheromones too. that’s why beekeepers use smoke and assorted chemicals to keep the hive controlled since the smoke and chemicals interfere with the pheromone signals. So that makes Shu and the Ant Queen not so different from each other.
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also, and sorry for not responding to it, i know someone asked me about adding resistances and immunities to peoples character sheets?
not against the idea, but i am a bit unsure of how to go about it properly. for one, though a minor one, mit might be difficult to add without making the sheets look pretty funky. the other is the oddity of how they work. i think some things have given(though i could be mistaken) straight up immunity without any levels of resistance, but at the same time 3 levels of resistance is immunity. admittedly this might be more of a mechanics question than difficulty listing it, but i am quite unsure how to properly list that. is something giving immunity just straight up 3 levels of resistance said differently, or does direct immunity not count towards the resistance levels? this also matters because of the oddity of some things ignoring immunities while others just lower resistance levels, but if straight immunity is not technically simply 3 resistance levels added to the stack that could greatly effect things and how people need to know the information.
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>>3911630
It's two levels for immunity, BHOP explained resistance levels early in Vein 31. One level halves damage, two levels negates damage, three absorbs damage. It's possible to get even higher, but what four or more levels of resistance does is hidden for now. In that conversation he also implied that a skill that grants immunity is functionally just giving two levels of resistance and not it being a separate thing, because I asked if Shu wearing a Chitinous Stalwart counts as having four levels of acid resistance (thanks to Matron's Stoicism) and he said yes. Did not reveal what four levels does, though, I guess he's saving that until we fight someone using acid and we can see the result. I don't think we've actually been hit with acid in all of the eighteen Veins since we got Kynar Chitin. Huh.
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>>3911642
ill wait on BHOP to actually confirm that, as that seems really iffy in my opinion how that info was presented.
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>>3911644
im also honestly significantly not a fan of how quickly resistances ramp up, but im also not a fan of how useless they actually are, so whatever.
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>>3911647
Yeah, elemental damage has turned out to be a lot rarer than we all expected. Any given element doesn't show up frequently enough for resistances to be a great investment. Not unless you've got some way to cover a wide spread, like Rath can do with Ignition. It was worth it to give her some extra resistances to cover the gaps in the defenses that gives her, but otherwise resistances are highly situational. I guess that's what makes the Calcite Halo so strong, variable immunity means that you don't have to carry around an entire portfolio of defenses just on the off chance.
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>>3911658
that, and not just with elemental, but with any damage type, by even the level we are at(though still maybe a bit higher technically, when you take into account most our enemies are individuals), if said damage type is a focal point of someones build they seem to and would be a fool not to have ways past their foes immunities. and id imagine thats only going to become more common going forward.

really does feel like in my opinion the best optimization is just raw damage with a spread of damage types over any focus at all, and pure biomass for defense, over specific resistances, including armor.
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>>3911658
>>3911660
a good example is how Rath just got a passive Augment that completely ignores armor(AND lowers resistances by one!), a good while ago too. that ones still just a bit utterly silly, in my opinion. fucks sake just looked and the damn things gets extra damage based off biomass defenses too. yeah really not a fan of that honestly, and thats just what a one shot augment can accomplish.
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>>3911660
I don't know, the only resistance-penetrating abilities we've seen all came from the Hexane Ascendants. That suggests they're fairly rare. Maybe we'll see enemies with penetration as we go on, but I'm going to hold off on declaring resistance to physical damage types a poor investment for the moment. I'd like more data.

As for armor, yeah, we've seen a lot of abilities that ignore that, and not just on legendary alien super-Daughters. Then again, the phrasing of a lot of abilities suggests that there are defenses that function similarly to armor but don't count as armor for purposes of penetration. I guess those are the ones you want to invest in.
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>>3911663
Ah, wait, you're right, Burrowing Blasts ignores a level of resistance, too. Damn. Guess it's more common than I thought.
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>>3911665
>>3911667
im pretty sure a few enemies have had a little bit of anti-resistance before, but its hard to tell at times. id have to look, but i think our party too has more than just burrowing aswell to mitigate a bit.

it still feels really imbalanced in my opinion. everything i can remember or find really feels like it leans too quickly to either full+ immunity to a damage type, or full on negating defensive measures. in my opinion, if resistances are gonna ramp up so fast, both resistances and levels of damage/mitigation methods should be like, you're lucky to get two at max level for an ability, even one if its not built around that specifically.
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>>3911677
>should be like, you're lucky to get two at max level for an ability, even one if its not built around that specifically.
It kind of is like that. All of our skills that grant resistances have only granted a single level (so far, they're all below level ten). It's the augments and passives where we get most of our resistance levels from.

All I can guess is that, if resistance levels stack to higher than absorbing damage (as BHOP implied with his "Levels four and higher shall remain hidden for now" comment), that the system is balanced around the endgame. That would fit with us not having encountered a lot of elemental damage. We're making a build for content we're not going to see for a while, not realizing that we're front-loading things that aren't relevant yet.
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>>3911681
Resistances;
>Ignition- one level of Slashing, Piercing, Blunt, Acid, and Electric. Two levels to heat.
>Hive- Rook has 'Moderate' Resistances to ALL damage types.
>Resplendant Thread- 1 level of Piercing and Bludgeoning resistance.
>Elemental Digestion- 1 level of Resistance for 3 turns when attacked.
>Ironblood Brood-Heat Resistance
>Calcite Halo- 1 level of Slashing, Piercing, and Crushing resistance. can become immune to damage types.
>Carniverous Carver- damage Resistance boosts(?)
>Mind of Steel(lvl 1)- 1 level of Neuromancer and Phantasmal resistance.
>Spiritus- 1 level of elemental resistance.
>Virulent- can boost Resistances.
>Carniverous Carver- potential for Severing resistances.
>Heart of Flame- Immunity to Heat, 1 level of resistance to Cold.
>Nuka- 1 level of Resistance.
>Tensile- 1 level of Slashing resistance.
>Tensile- 1 level of Piercing resistance.
>Charge- 1-2+ levels of Electric resistance buildup.
>Charge- 1 level of Electric resistance, knockback damage towards enemy.
>Borrowed Stoicism- 1 level of Resistance based on enemy.
>Sulk- 1 level of Cold resistance.
>Phantom Limb- 1 level of Severing resistance.
>Neutotic Halo- Dream Resistance.
>Endoskeleton- Severing resistance.
>Unknowable Hue- potential 1 level of Slashing and Piercing Resistance.
>Unknowable Hue- Neuromantic resistance.
>Frozen Fury- 1 level of Cold resistance.
>Badgers- 1 level of Slashing and Stabbing(Piercing?) resistance.
>Verteilung- resistance to Fear.
>Golden Strand- potential 1 level of resistance to ALL elemental types.
>Badgers- 1 level of bludgeoning resistance. (it says 'another' here even though it has not yet given her one before?).
>Sloughing Armor- 1 level of Acid resistance.
>Neon Jaunt- grants 1 level of elemental resistances.
>inComprehensible Form- resistance to Bladed(Slashing?) and Blunt-edged(Blunt?). vulnerability to Liquid and Flesh-Manipulation.
>Kynar- Immunity to Acid.

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>>3911681
>>3911699
Mitigation;
>Ignition- Ignore ALL Heat and Radiant Resistances or Immunities.
>Amethyst Jack- resistance means loss of ACTs.
>Gauss Rifle- ignores any and all Elemental and Damage resistances, and most other defenses.
>Autumn Protocol- ignores 1 level of Heat resistance.
>Resplendant Thread- High chance of ignoring armor.
>Torrent- ignores 1 level of Acid resistance.
>Honor- ignores 1+ level of Slashing resistance.
>Burrowing Blast- ignores ALL Armor, and 1 level of ALL elemental resistances. gains bonuses via enemies biomass defenses.
>Platinum Edge- ignores Slashing and Piercing resistances and immunities.
>Heavens Drill- Negates 'Defensive Measures' and nullifies 'defense' and turns them against target.

(2/2)

and this might not be a complete list, though i do think i got everything of the more standard stuff(aka, damage types, not like anti-effect stuff). ill admit anti-resistance was a bit rarer among our team than i thought, but it is INCREDIBLY potent where is is and tucked away often in ridiculously low level cost places. the actual amount and potential amounts for damage resistances is insane in my opinion too, especially considering our level. id argue late game you HAVE to have anti-resistance to the point to negating things, but that in my opinion defeats the point of trying to gain resistances in the first place.

and, of course, this is just our team, not taking into account clear and potential things on allies and enemies we have seen.
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>>3911701

(First of all, I want to thank you for compiling this list, as it not only checks out with what I have but is well done, to boot. I apologize for not having the time to review the character sheets, as computer issues at home and a busy work schedule have disrupted my efforts as of late.)

(Now, recent discussion has brought to light an issue that’s become more glaringly apparent as of late, which is the rapid scaling of resistances and immunities. This has been on my mind moreso as of late since given my testing of various skirmishes in the late game at your current pace, threatens to become unwieldy at best and simply unfun at worst. Thus, I wanted to run an idea by you all that I believe may mitigate the issue, as it has done so when I’ve tweaked the endgame fights I’ve done dry runs of.)

(The current resistance systems works thusly; 1 Lvl = -50% Dmg, 2 Lvls = Immune, Lvl 3 = Absorb, and so forth.)

(The proposed system would work as follows; 1Lvl = -25% Dmg Taken / 2Lvl = -50% Dmg Taken / 3Lvl = -75% Dmg Taken / 4Lvl = -100% Dmg Taken / 5Lvl = Absorb 25% Dmg as HEALTH, then 50%, 75%, and so on and so forth.)

(Now, under the new proposed system, any abilities that specifically grant ‘immunity’ are treated as granting four levels of resistance for the purpose of the new system, if it’s approved, that is. Additionally, I may rework piercing effects, but I’m heavily considering keeping them in effect simply because play testing has shown that both sides having a host of heavy immunities and/or immune phases is just…really no fun at all, and I want to do as much as I can to ensure everything stays viable.)

(Let me know your thoughts or any other questions/concerns you may have. It won’t be the first time I’ve re-worked the system [such as when I changed the leveling system to include stat changes] so I want to hear everyone weigh in as I want to ensure everyone is having as much fun with the system as I do in writing out your fantastic strategies.)
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>>3911774
well, i honestly thought it was more along those lines when you first said it anyways, but sure. certainly feels like it would make it easier to balance though.

an issue i have with some things though is the loose interchangeability in your use of 'resistance' and 'immunity'. if its all based on a scaling system, there shouldn't BE any 'instant immunity' or 'immunity negation', it should instead for ease of understanding and avoiding misreads and misinterpretation simply be giving 4 levels of Resistance or Resistance negation. for one, not doing so brings up unnecessary situations like using Ignition vs 8 levels of resistance. rare, sure, but the point more is, with how its read, one would have to guess if it really is saying it just knocks off 4 levels of Resistance, or always knocks it down to at least 3 levels max, to prevent full immunity against it no matter the circumstances. using both to describe a mechanic in this way when there is no actual difference is just unnecessary clutter to what people have to remember, especially if they are new to the game or trying to find or calculate things quickly or on the fly.

it also brings up confusion about the very fact some DO mention both resistances and immunities at the same time, bringing even now confusion on the point or meaning behind that. of course, technically if you want to MAKE it a rule where that is how it works (anti-immunity always bringing it and locking it below full immunity level), then sure, but there needs to be a clear and obvious distinction made if this is the case.

Immunity could possibly be its own thing separate from the resistance levels entirely, meaning anti-immunity would not affect resistance levels and vise versa(Immunity not stacking on Resistance levels), but i am unsure how that would change the balance and requirements on your end.

it also makes me wonder how damage and damage levels are calculated. again, im unsure of how things look on your end, but if every level of damage was done similarly (25, 50, 75, 100%, etc), you could then avoid absorption or just make it a side effect, and splitting the two, make resistance technically never 'immune' as it may be at 150% heat resistance but your opponent is doing 200% heat damage. this might also allow immunity and resistance to both be sought after and viable, as each works independently and is stopped independently, albeit im sure some things might need to be shifted around, which it does seem you wish to avoid as much as possible.

just some thoughts on it, and feel free of course to explain why some of this might simply not work and all that, but its what came to mind so far.
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>>3911774
If you're going to rework the system like this while trying to update all of your character sheets, the dual techs, and the like with a very busy schedule, then I would suggest taking delaying the opening of the next vein to get all of your ducks in line.

As for the immunity/Resistances vs. Penetration problem:

You're making the right call to tone down on the immunity and resistance strength but the proposed system still has potential to cause shenanigans where someone just becomes immortal due of the sheer number of resistance levels they tacked on to each damage type, because a daughter would in theory become functionally immortal to all damage and elemental attacks if she invested in 4 levels of resistance against all everything across the board.

The point of having resistance levels is that the incoming damage isn't out right negated but mitigated from a very lethal bisection to a small paper cut, so the thought of 4 levels of resistance = 100% negation feels too powerful.

Immunities on the other hand give that eldritch quality makes it special. Like how Nikuzu swung a Giant axe for slashing at Mara only for that "eldritch negation" to activate because it looked like Mara had a one-off augmentation that gave her complete Immunity to Slashing damage. Having immunity to a damage type whether it's physical, elemental, or a status ailment makes it a very special ability. In terms of how rare it is and to mitigate as much immortal shenanigans, make it a huge milestone ability when advancing on an ability tree or a one-off augmentation that's considered rare.

The problem then is figuring out how Immunities, resistance, and damage penetration would work out and interact with each other.

In terms of resistances, I think a daughter can stack as much damage resistance levels as she desires but but she will never get to 100% damage negation unless she finds an ability/augment that provides the "Immunity" tag

But if a daughter has an Augment or an ability that provides the "Immunity" tag to a damage type along with the resistance levels, then the resistance levels become absorption levels that allow the daughter to heal from it.

For Damage Penetration v. Resistances, I think they would work on the same scale where (Resistance level - Penetration level = -XX% dmg taken) to give damage resistance value no matter the level.

For Damage penetration v. Immunity, I think a good method to calculate that would be (Immunity [100%] - Penetration level = XX% Damage resisted) with penetration levels getting diminishing returns for each level invested to ensure that despite the immunity, Damage penetration still feels like it has value, it's just that if they want to deal lots of damage, they would have to either invest in lots of damage penetration (which gives the same scaling as resistance level scaling) or have an ability that negates the "immunity" tag.

That just leaves the rarity issue, but I have faith that you can sort that out bhop.
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>>3911774
Well, like I said before, I think you've got an additional problem for immunities in that we don't face a ton of enemies that proc them. That's an issue of encounter design that's parallel with the mechanical design issues. I think that the resistance system as it currently exists fits a video game a lot better than it does a quest or even a tabletop game. Because there aren't any random encounters, you know? The party is not frequently getting into combat with a huge amount of different enemies, with a wide range of damage types between them. We're fighting unique individual enemies that typically have a very limited use of non-physical damage types, and so any given resistance is unlikely to come up. Let's look back at our encounters, in reverse order:

>Yurei: Did some Cold damage, but the majority of her damage output was Blunt from her kung-fu.
>Kinetic Remnant: Freezing was a status effect, not the result of Cold damage. Health was not impacted by it, and November's immunity to Cold had no relevance.
>Chameleon Panther: Died too quickly to see if it had elemental damage, I'm guessing probably not, though.
>Zahira: Had no elemental damage, even when copying banelings replaced their acid with her subversion goo.
>B'Ni: Had some Cold and Heat damage. Greatly preferred using physical damage from Calcite and Fibromancy skills.
>Phalanges: Phalanx Silvis had Heat damage and went up against Rath, who had Heat immunity. Alright, good design here, immunities are relevant. Otherwise, rest of Phalanges did physical damage types.
>Hatter: Had no elemental damage, though was herself immune to Acid.
>Spiraling Fear: Had some Phantasmal Conduit effects, neural resistance was relevant there. Nikuzu, despite having a lava-like appearance, used no Heat attacks and stuck with her strength and Flesh Artistry terrain-shaping.
>B'Ni, round one: No elemental damage, all slashing and piercing.
>B'Ni versus West Gamma: Gamma preferred physical damage, despite having a skill that provided Electric. Sole elemental damage use was the throat cannon, kept in reserve as trump card.
>Sad Deer: No elemental damage, did use Phantasmal Conduit abilities so neural resistance would be relevant.
>Mummy Cyclops: Only physical damage.
>B'Ni versus Gretchen: Only physical damage, Gretchen made no use of emotional Phantasmal Conduit skills.
>Sasha: Only physical damage. Neuromancy, but focused on terrain shaping.
>Penny: Only physical damage.
>Johanna: Only physical damage.
>Ringo: Only physical damage.
>Dorian's Matron and Sibling constructs: Only physical damage.
>Hera: Only physical damage.
>Carla: Pure Neuromancy, neural resistance very useful here.
>Catherine: Only physical damage.
>Bella: Lots of Acid damage.
>Ashen Vagrant: Did Heat damage alongside the Blunt damage from its strikes.

>cont.
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>>3912213
>Kosi Heist: Kosi killed them before we got a chance to see them, but we know that Mara did bring some Neuromancers along with her.
>Bone Ghost: Neural and status effect resistance would have been incredibly useful here.
>Chittering Tindalos: Only physical damage.
>Meg: Only physical damage.
>Eloise: Only physical damage.
>Holly: Only physical damage.
>Tutorial fight goat Amalgam: Only physical damage.

Now, some of this just has to do with the pacing of the quest. It makes sense that elemental damage was extremely rare in our early fights, we were new and you didn't want to complicate things with us having to keep track of different elemental types. But even now, when we're well into the quest and have tons of elemental damage ourselves, our opponents don't make much use of it. This means that elemental resistances are actually a very situational defense, because they're split up among five different damage types, with likely only one of them showing up in a fight, if at all. It only feels worth it to put points into resistances if the ability either provides all-round protection (the Calcite Halos with their adaptation, Elemental Digestion affecting all elements) or plugging a gap in defenses that were already wide (giving Rimewind Howl to Rath to fill the Cold damage-shaped hole in the resistances Ignition provides). Otherwise, it's a gamble that the skill will be of use. I said this before, but it's been eighteen Veins since Shu got Kynar Chitin and she hasn't been hit with Acid damage once. In addition to changing the mechanics, you need to change the encounter design, too, so that the resistances feel more relevant.

But thinking about the root causes, I'm not sure that the class system really supports elemental damage being common. There's an entire class all about elemental damage. That means that non-Generator skills need to deal elemental damage very rarely, or else Generator loses what makes it unique. We have seen some of the exceptions, our own Core does elemental damage despite being a Hive Mistress skill, but the majority of elemental damage comes from Generator skills. But this means that for elemental damage to show up a lot you need to have every enemy either spec into Generator or have one of the rare non-Generator elemental skills, and that is a restriction on character design that can be stifling to work with. It's a bit of a tricky situation and I'm not sure how to get out of it.
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>>3911868
i do agree on perhaps making it higher than 4+ to get to Max for Resistances, but i do feel outright negating allowing it to go 'over' would too heavily mitigate growth potential, would make it too hard for certain abilities to properly gain as much bite later on, like they are supposed to. eventually no matter how you slice it resistance levels could potentially be giving nothing, especially if you then turn around and make resistance mitigation based on percentage instead of levels, which is the main problem. the two methods simply dont mix, in my opinion.

i also prefer the idea of the two being entirely separate, meaning Resistance and Immunity negation dont overlap. True Immunity being its own thing adds bite to the ability, and similar to anti-Immunity abilities. but i do agree both should be significantly rarer than we have so far seen. i also think you shifting over for a stack/levels based system to a percentile system suddenly again doesn't mix well and defeats the purpose. if you're going to give us something, ANYTHING, one way, it makes more sense to also calculate its interactions that way. if its better to do it via a percentage system, give it to us via percentages.

>>3912213
>>3912228
really good points on the lack or random battles and battle design, but i do think very unwisely ignored the fact physical damage types work off the same system and are and have been affected by this, not just elemental types. when you remember that, many of those fights had much more come into player in terms of the system BHOP is reworking and will thus also change and be effected by this. it is FAR from just elemental damage types to think about here, and you focusing too heavily on only Elemental i think very greatly brings into question what you're trying to say.

though you do make some further good points about how its kinda supposed to mostly be Generators thing to even deal it.
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>>3911774
something id like to add is, dont be afraid too to admit you can only change the system so much without breaking it or crashing the game basically. it sucks, especially when you see a problem, but we're 30+ Veins in with... well with alot of Abilities, both on us and in the background. it very much may be too late to make the actual changes you would like to fully and properly change this part of the system as it needs changes, over basically just bandaid tweaking it.

and thats ok honestly. theres a reason real life games and RPGs have editions and the like. not saying of course dont go far with it if you think it needs some real damn changes, just also understand what the realistic limits are due to just how much you are actually changes and tweaking VS how much you actually WOULD be willing to pause, or even know you have time TO change it. an extended break is one thing but im sure theirs worries and issues on both sides of the line with you trying to do things that would take months or even just weeks of rework time on top of if you would really be as happy with pausing the Quest for that long, even if necessary to 'properly' change things.

of course, if thats what you truly feel needs to be done, then dont lie to yourself either, just trying, and blabbering it out poorly probably, trying to say not to kill yourself over this either, considering ho far along things are. or something like that. sorry having trouble trying to get things into proper words on this one.
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>>3912374
>really good points on the lack or random battles and battle design, but i do think very unwisely ignored the fact physical damage types work off the same system and are and have been affected by this, not just elemental types. when you remember that, many of those fights had much more come into player in terms of the system BHOP is reworking and will thus also change and be effected by this. it is FAR from just elemental damage types to think about here, and you focusing too heavily on only Elemental i think very greatly brings into question what you're trying to say.
I'm sorry, I'll try to make it clearer. What I mean is that elemental resistances are a much riskier investment than physical resistances. Everyone deals physical damage types, they come up much more often, so putting points into resisting them is far more guaranteed to be of value. There are still three different types you have to protect against, but that's better than the five different types you need protection from if you're looking to invest in elemental resistances. Only three to select among and far more frequent interactions with them means that even if you only have Blunt immunity it's going to have far more use than making yourself immune to any given elemental damage type. I'm not saying that the mechanics for resistances shouldn't be revamped, a lot of good points and ideas have been brought up for that already. But there's a broader encounter design consideration that also should go into the revamp, and that's what I wanted to address.
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>>3912408
ah, ok, my bad(though i wasn't meaning to be harsh with my last statement if it came off that way), but yes, it sounded more like you were talking more along the lines of.. well not that or honestly maybe i just read it wrong as i was focusing on just said mechanics and within said criteria, i still do think your points are a bit iffy as he has to take into account all damage types in the revamp, not just elemental or how common it is. but yes, fair enough on their rarity a bit though.

but you're kinda wrong too though. theres four basic physical damage types. Slashing, Blunt, Bludgeoning/Crushing(?), Piercing. theres also Severing that showed up enough to clearly be its own thing thats common enough to not be a one off, and there Grappling. and yes, BHOP did confirm blunt and... whatever the other one is, are separate. didnt go into details though, but its why at one point Raths Limbs still did damage when someone had one of the two.

my guess would be its basically unarmed vs weapon, but im actually unsure if its been consistent with that.
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>>3912427
I'm almost certain that Slashing is the same as Severing and Blunt is the same as Bludgeoning/Crushing, and those were just BHOP not using the specific codified terminology. I remember the Crushing/Blunt thing going the other way. The fact that we've only seen resistances for Piercing, Slashing and Blunt supports that idea. But okay, suppose I'm wrong and there are some lesser-used physical types. I still think that investing in one of the main three physical types is a superior purchase given their commonality compared to all the other damage types we've seen.
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(Gentlemen, you've given me a great deal to think about, and I thank you greatly for your input. This will be something I'll continue to experiment with in the background, with a likely soft-fix version incoming in the next Vein or so. In any case, the next Vein is still on course to open this upcoming Monday, as my weekend has, amazingly, opened up for once.)

(I'll continue to be present through the Vein, and thank you again for helping me bring you the best Quest I can in addition to helping me grow as a QM. Have a great weekend, one and all.)
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>>3912440
nope, i asked BHOP on the blunt and Crushing divide and he confirmed it. same with Severing clearly being different. we also have not only seen resistances for slashing, blunt, and piercing.

and maybe, but i still kinda disagree. we see enemies still focus on a singular physical damage type enough and Elemental still pop up enough that it seems pretty much in the same camp in my opinion. really, damage is usually a two part system when not a generator ability it seems, where it stacks a physical and elemental together, so you need both to properly stop an attack. otherwise it really does feel like you would be in the same situation , where say, slashing damage wouldn't really be as commonly useful as any other in terms of how often used, due to the spread of types and how focused an enemy can be on one. i also dont see it in our own things in either direction with one being more common, in terms of what we deal or block and on gaining it over elemental too. when you take into account enemy focus when it comes to physical, im sure it would look similar enough to elemental in its spread and how often a resistance to one actually comes into play.
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>>3912440
also, we dont know how much elemental might of been in some of those fights as just an after effect basically, like how Julias cold damage is never mentioned or shown, but she does have it, supposedly even has it at a severe level. it could be on some enemies their elemental effects simply were not extravagant enough to write about.
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>>3912464
looking forward to hearing about how you decide to tweak it, and for Monday.

one thing, have you thought about making a pastebin for the current rules set? i think it would help new players and old alike significantly. obviously, you dont have to reveal what we dont know, as you have done, but for what we DO know i think it would help avoid confusion and help some ease into taking part in the combat more.
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>>3912464
>>3912485
mind you not asking for you to throw numbers and calculations at us either, or go super crazy with it either.
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>>3912464
I'm glad you've got a clear weekend for once, I hope you get to enjoy it. See you on Monday, BHOP, I'll be interested in seeing them change.

>>3912466
Doesn't change the fact that physical damage at all is far more common than elemental damage, so even if an enemy is using a mixed physical/elemental attack you're going to block at least some of it. The core three physical damage types are so common that you're guaranteed to get some use from blocking them. Whereas Shu, again, hasn't been attacked with Acid once since becoming immune to it.

>>3912475
Sure, but if there's no mention at all of elemental attacks, at some point you have to assume that they're just not there. You'd expect the first hit at least to be mentioned glancing off of your defenses, and then the detail being omitted as insignificant. We just haven't fought that many elemental enemies, and what we have has been mostly concentrated in Heat and Cold.

>>3912485
Yeah, some basics on damage types and resistance rules would be nice, so we don't have to go hunting for them. Stacks and status effects, too, those would be useful. Nothing we haven't been told before, if BHOP doesn't want to go super in-depth, but a compilation of the basics.
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>>3912572
ignoring some other points of contention that wont lead anywhere but circles...
actually, i do have to wonder if BHOP hasn't fallen a bit into the trap of 'balance negation'. he tries to balance around what we bring to the fight, so as to actually make the fight both interesting and challenging. but... wonder how often that may be effecting things in terms of perception? to put it bluntly, its a difficult thing to balance, at least how he had it before. if he gives them anything we are immune or highly resistant to, then he is severely weakening them as a threat, both actual and engaging, as those levels are still giving stats and other abilities, so he will have less wiggle room to even things out elsewhere without unintentionally making them too strong. however, it goes less in the opposite direction with things we are weak to or them being immune to ours, because we always have more options to toy around with and throw at them.

but the issue here becomes, it makes things look less useful than they are, as he then has given us tools we never use. even trying to finagle a IC excuse for this, it doesn't solve the problem mechanically. though, this all probably wraps around to the fact even just two levels of Resistance is so damn powerful, so there is literally basically no wiggle room at all to not avoid that. but more of talking about how it may of affected our old battles and the perception of things over the actual background reality, not the fact we, well, are all pointing out the issues and changing things.
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>>3912592
either that or the fact that IC Shu’s family has been ramping up super hard and fast if we look at the amount of level up points that we gain on each feast, and the fact that we have entered growth curve “plateau” of sorts given the time we’v been awake.
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>>3912592
it might also be possible that we are over-leveled in the place we’re staking as our hunting grounds. So we may have to move further west for more appropriate quarry.
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>>3912464
odd question, but how different do you personally see the characters from the pictures you use(obviously, the less stylized ones)? is it significant, or do they captures them closely enough?

i still personally imagine Gina with glasses sometimes, for some reason.
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>>3915978

(That's actually a really interesting question, and I'm glad you asked. A lot of the characters really only came together when an artist friend of mine concepted them out, and she really helped me figure out their general 'feel' as well. The most well-defined characters in the main roster are Rath, November, Julia, Dorian, and Amara, as their pictures are very similar to how they look in my head...at least early on, where Julia and Dorian are concerned since they've both changed dramatically over the course of leveling up. Gina's the most nebulous, and she's proved to be an odd conundrum, as I've yet to find a piece of art that really looks like how I imagine her, and my friend couldn't really figure out how she looks, either.)

(Shu herself is a bit of a exception to the rule, as I've intentionally left her hair color, eye color, and everything else that could be a descriptor aside from Gina's comment about her assets vague. Part of that is a result of the original character description getting devoured by 4chan, and I've simply been keeping it up to the reader's own perceptions.)

(Finally, most if not all of the other characters haven't deviated from their pictures much at all, though I have to admit that I wish I had more pictures for Holly and B'ni, since the in only two pictures I have for them that really nail their look, Holly looks less than sane and B'ni's wearing nothing but a sweater and smiling, which isn't a look she'll be sporting for a long, long time at the rate she's going.)
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>>3917147
huh, thats interesting. i actually kinda thought we DID have a look for Shu, but i guess that was an assumption based off you posting an actual picture for her. probably should've stuck to just bee pics or something like you have started to do with Dorian at times, if you wanted that ill say.

and yeah, ive noticed Ginas picture has been the most nebulous overall. seems to change often comparatively. November i think i personally deviate heavily in my mental picture compared to what you use, but i think thats mostly because i dislike how bulky the picture is, which doesn't fit my mental picture of how you make it feel like shes able to move around. that, and i still imagine the DOs having enough tact to add subtle gender hints to the armor, if only in part for the sanity of the person in it. only things i can think of is i imagined Dorian having a bit more control over their looks than the picture showed, and i dont really see Amara with the hair color of her picture.

>and B'ni's wearing nothing but a sweater and smiling, which isn't a look she'll be sporting for a long, long time at the rate she's going.
not Isabelles fault you didn't give her any way to make sure she stays clothed BHOP, that ones on you.
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(Gentlemen, the 34th Vein is now open and I look forward to seeing you there.)

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