>a world where all chick tracts are actually true.

that shit just writes ITSELF, what more do you want?

I love Jack Chick. He spreads the Good News and doesn't afraid of anything. In before lonely atheists derail the thread about how they're perpetual virgins.

OH GOD. OH GOD. THAT IS AWESOME!

>>12594594

I'm just debating whether or not it should be a conspiracy - you know, all the PEOPLE ARE WITCHES AND EVERYONES TRYING TO DRAG YOU TO HELL and have the players uncover this bit by bit or whether or not it should be like... obviously true, you know?

>>12594606

I'm actually rather hoping to avoid religious wankery, if you can believe that. What I'd like is the gradual horror of realising that something that sounds totally insane and unbelievable and like the rantings of a madman is actually true. As in, something like how maybe Chick overstated the religion part, but he was totally right about the demons, only they're not so much demons as eldritch horrors.

>a world where all chick tracts are actually true.
DO IT
FUCKING DO IT, FAGGOT

He has a good nine or ten hating on the Catholic Church. Make them some crazy big bad mega-evil of your game.

>>12594643

I've got to read through them a lot more. It actually does have some potential... considering how the main reason they're funny to us is because LOL WHAT D&D IS MIND CONTROL and so on. But looking at the characters in those tracts and their reactions- I mean, demons around them, constant attacks to their san / wis or whatever, kids killing each other, teachers trying to brainwash your kids, all glazed over with normality- it could be quite a crapsack world if done right.

It's the 'doing it right' part I'm worried about.

>>12594559
>a world where all chick tracts are actually true.

YES YES YES !

BLACKLEAF NPC. YOU MUST DO IT

>>12594653

Like I said, I don't really want to focus on the religion aspect so much as I want to get into the horror of it. Ancient conspiracies working to delude people into becoming sacrifices would be fun, though. I just want them to be less about OMG CHRIST IS SAVIOUR and more about oh- oh shit, this is actually our world, and everything we thought of as helping us stand against the true evil that exists is actually not on our side, we're so fucked.

>>12594653

THE PAPISTS WILL CONSUME OUR SOULS IN THEIR TERRIBLE JEW-RITES!

>>12594669
And different eras, too. You could play in the near-apocalyptic future, where the UN is persecuting Christians and brainwashing your kids into Gaia-worship and pantheism, fight the Catholic conspiracy any time from the 200s to the 1800s, try to stop the original corruption of Christianity's message and head off Catholicism at the beginning, or liberate people and protect the KJV as a Reformation-era holy warrior.

>>12594715

Actually, that's a really interesting idea! I was originally thinking a quick one shot set with ordinary characters in the present day, but if I ever expand on this setting then that might be interesting. How a world with... eh, obvious demonic influences would develop. It certainly raises the idea of secret orders as being quite viable.

In before 'no, YOU ARE THE DEMONS' happens.

"Stinky" the demon? Am I supposed to take this seriously?!

>>12594559
>mfw best idea for a Call of Cthulhu campaign evah.
Jesus Fish, how did I never think of this myself? It's all right there in the tracts, black and white, an extended campaign of conspiracy, madness, and evil waiting to be tapped!

>>12594750

It's hard to take all his tracts seriously. That's part of the horror aspect, I'm hoping- turning something that you'd normally laugh at into something that's actually real. And for this one, you know... demons walking around pretending to be human and taking other people in. Also, hell is no joke! For him, at least. So the way I'd probably do it is have it be an alternate or parallel dimension where people can actually be dragged to for eternal torture and pain.

The interesting thing about them for me is that most people in his tracts seem to carry on relatively normal lives, DESPITE all the rather terrifying stuff around. Wondering how to implement that...

Here's some of that conspiracy. OP, you'll never be able to downplay the religious aspects because there really isn't anything else. You'll have to introduce shades of gray; the characters could be CoC style investigators, non-evil, non-fundie occultists who are walking a fine line between saving others and being damned themselves, or just completely ordinary people who suddenly become aware of the magicians, demons, and secret societies pulling the strings and have to find some way to fight it. I hate to even say it, but perhaps you'd get some ideas from the "Left Behind" series. Plot summaries, at any rate; I doubt they're readable.

>>12594690
No, they're not Jew rites. It's an Egyptian death cookie. Get it right!

>>12594777
and it can actually drive you crazy too!

>>12594559

My favorite is Trouble Town with the demons crawling all over the homos and they don't even realize it.

>>12594811
Teehee. "Jungle Beat." Racism is funny.

>>12594811

Eurgh, I've tried those before when a friend shoved them at me in high school. Thinking of them from a GM's perspective, though, there could be some use there. I know the religious aspect is hard to hide, but you do have a point. Normal people (maybe lapsed believers or something) suddenly becoming aware that demons are real, hell is real, their neighbour's a witch that's been planning on murdering or controlling their son, that sort of thing. I think the guys I'm playing with will welcome the shades of grey thing, though! Like if demon summoning rites can actually be done, then so can demon banishing rites... but those aren't exactly holy rituals. Damn yourself to save other people? Or seek out aid from a higher power (except, higher =/= good)? This could be interesting.

>>12594811
>I doubt they're readable.
They ARE, but just barely. It's a kick-ass idea marred by bad writing and (ironically) WAY too much emphasis on religion.

Learn real magic with DnD? Fuck year! I'm gonna roll a level 5 college student who uses war wizard spells

>>12594881

From the little I recall, the premise was actually interesting. Post apocalyptic scenario where people question why they didn't die along with everyone else, and suddenly angels and demons are among them.

I have to say, though, that if I were looking for an example of this done well then I'd just go and re-read the Salvation War.

>>12594653
In Chick's mind (and in the mind of many apocalypse-minded fundamentalist Christians) the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon mentioned in St. John's Apocalypse/Revelation. The Pope is either the antichrist or simply one of the beast's servants.

Chick's tracts state that the Church is at the head of a massive conspiracy. The Pope and his minions are in control not only of the Papist horde itself, but also secretly created Islam (it's in one of his more hilarious tracts where he claims that Allah is a moon-goddess) and funds Occult/Satanic activity, as well as wicca and other such "new age" cults and religions. Oh, and the church created the Jehovah's Witnesses, too. It makes total fucking sense.

The Catholics are, of course, in league with other anti-christian conspiracies (International Jewish Banking, Freemasons, the Illumanati, etc. I don't know if he ever made a tract talking about the Rosicrucians, but they're probably a subdivision of the Papacy's conspiracy against Christendom).

As a Catholic, I find it delightfully old-school. Nobody else seriously levels these sorts of mass-conspiracy allegations at Catholicism anymore. It's kind of refreshing, in a way, compared to the usual molestation stuff.

>>12594934

Must be nice to have your competence so thoroughly overestimated. Any organization capable of effectively marshaling the vast resources Jack Chick claims the Catholic Church has at its disposal is truly an organization to be feared.

>>12594903
The concept in the barest way possible is mildly interesting. But the way it's written is just ridiculous. Nobody puts two and two together until halfway through the first book, and keep in mind that the apocalypse starts on page 1.

There's a page-by-page criticism of the entire series somewhere. I wish I could remember where, because it was pretty great (and still ongoing). I remember the author made a great comparison: it's like if one day there were footage of a Star Trek convention being attacked by a Klingon Bird-of-Prey, and then the Enterprise swooped in out of nowhere, destroyed the Klingons, and beamed all of the Trekkies onboard.

Would all of the people who made fun of Trekkies keep doing it? Or would most people figure out what the fuck was going on?

It's one of those typical fundamentalist assumptions - people don't believe in their religion/sect because we just haven't heard about Jesus yet. So everyone left behind is obviously totally ignorant of Christianity.

>>12594934
I'm a Methodist. The worst we ever get is that we like to beat up people who disagree with us.

My denomination sucks on the Conspiracy-scale.

>>12594934

I've read the moon god one. It was a little... awkward.

I think that's the main problem I'm going to have- there's really way too much material in his tracts and some of them are impossible to piece together. Just who is behind the conspiracy? What exactly is the ultimate evil? Is there anything worth damning yourself to hell for?

Though... considering what you said, perhaps it's better that I don't try to make sense out of all of it. It might be better as horror that way- a vast web of conspiracy to consign everyone to eternal suffering just for the sake of the temporary wealth of a small group of people, which is impossible to truly untangle. With only small pieces of information and the horror that they see unfolding before their own eyes- something like that, anyway.

>>12594962
Well, clearly the molestation scandal (just as with the defeat of Papal forces by the Garibaldi's forces in 1870) is just a ruse to throw us all of their immense and evil power.

>>12594977

Slacktivist, I believe, or at least something of that nature.

>>12594994
yeah, that's it

>>12594978

OP here. I have to admit that I spent some years in a Methodist school, and actually had moments of ??? and mild horror from some of the things that the Principle said. I know she gave a speech about- if I recall correctly- the evil queen Jezebel and the prophet Elijah and how appealing to the true God worked. She went on to say how since Elijah was right, he took all several hundred of Jezebel's prophets and executed them.

I remember sitting down and thinking, wait, this guy just killed several hundred people and SHE'S the evil one? A world this crapsack would make for an interesting game...

>>12595013

PRINCIPAL, I mean. Augh, can't spell properly at this hour.

>>12595013
Ahhh, I never went to Methodist school. My preacher was actually really chill, he was the one who got my parents to back the fuck off when they were going through their "Oh no, D&D and M:tG and LotR and Harry Potter are teh satanz" phase (I don't hold that against my parents, I think EVERY parent goes nuts over something).

>>12595045

Yeah, the strangest thing was that the preachers and the school Christian group were actually all really cool people. I especially liked hanging out with the club, they were always very friendly and welcoming, even though I wasn't a member. It was the administration and some of the non-club members whom I found to be more... weirdly fundamentalist in a not good way. Till now, I haven't yet figured out why.

>>12594863
The thing about ChickWorld, at least in my understanding, is that it looks exactly the way our world does to an ignorant observer. It's not the World of Darkness, where there are all these inexplicable things happening and everyone is miserable and poor. It's only when you're enlightened that you realize that the UN is planning to pen us up in ghettoes under the guise of "sustainable development" and force us to live solely on vegetables.

Incidentally, that particular conspiracy theory is from a seriously out-there Catholic community. Well, Catholic for now. They might well be dabbling with Mariolatrous heresies.

>>12595075
>force us to live solely on vegetables.
Sustain a human body on roots and leaves?! DOHOHOHO!

>>12595075

Yeah! That's sort of exactly what I'm going for. WoD, from how I've played it, is sort of our world but visibly twisted and a little darker. Fun, but the feeling I'd like is that... say, you're living a normal life and then all of a sudden (or perhaps very slowly) you realise that your neighbour's mad ranting about Satan coming for her is actually true, and your child just came back from school and he's started to say the strangest things, and you haven't seen your pet dog in several days and you can't figure out where he went... and you have no idea why any of this is happening. That's why I was thinking about CoC or Don't Rest Your Head for such a setting, they seem the most appropriate.

ANYWAY, plans for now:

- Chick tracts are real. Not in the 'the only way to avoid hell is to accept Christ as your saviour' way, but in the 'demons are actually out there, hell exists, you're fucked' sense.
- Life is pretty much as is for most people. Families exist, kids go to school, make friends, grow up, and the happy cycle repeats itself.
- There's a big web of conspiracy (no need to work out details, just steal pieces everywhere from chick tracts) that's keeping people unaware. Every single government or religious decision is actually made with an underlying motive. Good side effects are just that- side effects. Or they're made to lull people into a sense of complacency.
- Players start suspecting things when... the rumours become a little too real. Or maybe something more supernatural? Maybe a ghost of a dead relative, or visions. It's happened in the tracts, it can happen in game. Ancient evil artefacts as lures to draw people in? Have to work this part out.
- If the players do have an aim at all, it'll probably be to try to keep themselves and the people they care for safe as opposed to get to the bottom of this crazy mess. But to keep them safe when everything out there wants to kill you and torture you forever, well... it probably won't be too easy.

Tracts to reference:
- Anything about the Catholic / Islam / Judaism conspiracies
- 'The Contract', signing deals with demons and how they work in this world
- 'Trouble Town', how people react (or don't) to demons around them
- Anything that's likely to cause san loss for players

>>12595106
You know, my grandmother's apartment is pretty much an arsenal for this sort of campaign. Exorcised holy water with exorcised salt, blessed oils, icons, rosaries, prayers, mystical books, conspiracy theories, you name it.

Will your characters succumb to the temptation and take up the weapons of idolatrous Catholicism in the hopes they will have material effects against their supernatural enemies? If they do, will they work? Will there be consequences?

Not that all their enemies have to be supernatural. There could be plenty of deluded, mind-controlled, or evil humans, not to mention the unenlightened police forces unknowingly serving the Great Beast by rounding up crazy people running around with crosses and shotguns.

>>12595201

I think there'd definitely be an added layer of horror if most of the enemies were human. The question of who's crazy would come up for sure- are you the delusional one? Or are they? Maybe it's all just in your head, but... are you sure you want to take that risk? Something along those lines.

Also, whoa, your grandmother's apartment. My initial idea was to have the players just be regular people, but the idea of someone who already knows what's going on and is seen as a crackpot but who's taken all sorts of defensive measures does seem interesting. Maybe as an NPC? The idea of it being an old woman who feels perfectly justified in anything she does since she KNOWS she's going to heaven for sure does sound fascinating.

>>12595194
Consider introducing one or more PCs to magic, only to have them discover later (perhaps through a helpful tract-esque NPC) that all magic is in fact goetic and they have been making deals with THE DEMONS all along.

>>12595194
I think the problem that Chickworld presents for any sort of campaign is that the characters Chick presents as protagonists aren't really all that concerned with stopping the Antichrist. That's God's job. The individual just has to get ready for the impending apocalypse.

So the way you probably have to treat such a campaign (if you want to go beyond just trying to carve out a place to await the end) would be like the TV show Supernatural - the PCs sometimes have goals that are similar to that of fundamentalist Christians and the Heavenly Host, but really the protagonists are trying to preserve the world. They stand between the Satanic Conspiracy and Judgment Day, hoping to prevent either from succeeding.

Of course, that cause is basically hopeless. Your opponents are all the earthly powers in league with Satan and an omnipotent being. But I guess that's the point of a CoC game, so there you go.

>>12595289

Certainly considering this. It's probably going to be something like how some sort of magic (not sure what exactly yet) is a really useful weapon against demons- but also has a demonic source. They've been using it unknowingly and slowly damning themselves even further... but if they stop now and accept Christ etc. they'll be saved from eternity in a physical hell! Only they won't have magic, can't fight demons on the same level and will probably die soon since they've been draining their lifeforce or whatever fluff I have for this.

However, now that they know what it is, if they choose to continue using it... then there's probably no salvation in store.

>>12595309
Personally, I don't see how encouraging your players to accept Christ and repent is in any way interesting for them. I mean, presuming you're accepting Chick's basic premise, God's side is going to win, and there's really no point in fighting the conspiracy except by running off into the hills and trying to remove the possibility of damning yourself by association with the conspiracy.

>>12595329

Nnghh, I know. I'm still trying to work out if there's any way to make the 'ACCEPT CHRIST WIN ONE HAPPY ETERNITY' clause can be subverted. Maybe if I make the world even more grim? Have people tell the characters that if they do that, they'll be saved, but have no proof at all of it. And have them see that what they're doing right now works to fight the horrors that exist amongst them, regardless of what anyone else might think. There may be a physical, visible hell, but heaven's a long way off...

Or I could just cut that whole thing out. It's a pretty big part of the tracts, though, having NPCs and people run around telling others that they're doomed to suffering.

>>12595330

Uh, do you have any links? I'm afraid I don't go to /new much and wouldn't really know where to look. This guy sounds interesting, though.

Derp, bumping for ideas.

>>12595353
I think that's one way to do it. Remember that in Chick's tracts, physical proof of God's existence only occurs after one of the characters dies or judgment day happens. There's plenty of proof of Satanic influence, and there's plenty of fundamentalists telling people that they're damned if they don't repent immediately, but there is very little in the way of hard evidence of salvation from the characters' perspective. They just accept the Bible as adequate proof.

So I can see how an average person who uncovers the conspiracies and demons overrunning modern society might not immediately leap to the conclusion that they need to repent and be saved - particularly when God's only promise is that He'll resurrect you after he kicks the Devil's ass. That's a spiritually uplifting message to Christians, but it doesn't make for very great roleplaying, I think.

A way to approach this, I suppose, is to imagine that everything Chick writes is true, except for the seeming willingness of every person to accept Jesus as soon as a protagonist quotes a few passages of Corinthians or Timothy at them. So assume that the Muslim in the comic about Islam as a conspiracy religion just tells the fundamentalist that he's a fucking infidel and moves on, but he gradually comes to see that there are active evil forces controlling the world. How would he then respond? I don't think he'd convert to Christianity; he'd believe that his own religion's apocalypse was imminent and the Mahdi will soon return.

So occult investigators and average guys can still go around fighting the devil without necessarily converting (though that's definitely an option), and that conversion should probably have little/no effect in the game. Christianity, after all, is simply the promise of the resurrection in Chickworld, so it's unlikely that it would grant you special powers or anything beyond the ability to resist Satanic mind control.

>>12595447

That's pretty brilliant. The characters would definitely be more suspicious of everyone they meet, and I don't think they'd be as easy to convince as most of Chick's protagonists, especially not when they have so much at stake. And if I can make them believe that there may be a third option somewhere that they can take (whether or not there actually is), I could keep them debating about what exactly they should do about the world that they're living in.

Having them be vigilantes is one idea, but there's also having them just wanting to get away from something that there's no escape from. Since I suspect one or two may die- and ghosts exist in some of the tracts- I might be able to use dead people as plot devices or plot points as well.

>>12595507
>And if I can make them believe that there may be a third option somewhere that they can take (whether or not there actually is), I could keep them debating about what exactly they should do about the world that they're living in.

Yeah, you're dealing with a setting that is necessarily about the nature of reality and the function of religion. I think coming up with reasons for characters to walk the third option (and if you take Chickworld super seriously there is no third option. You're just a tacit minion of Satan who will be as damned as the rest) would be part of the fun.

Off the top of my head:
1) Alternate beliefs: As I said earlier, Islam has its own stories about judgment day, as do most religions. A Hindu experiencing all of this might take it as proof of Kalki's imminent arrival (a scary prospect in itself). A Jew might simply see it as the Day of Judgment, minus the Jesus stuff. A non-fundie Christian might see things somewhat similarly to Chick, or they might not - maybe they take an idealist/historical interpretation of the Bible and Revelations, so they don't think the world is ending (making personal intervention in Satan's attempts to rule the world a moral imperative). An atheist might begin to question his beliefs about the supernatural, but depending on what you show them in the game, might not.

2) Explicit rejection. Imagine Socrates or Kant or someone like that is in Chickworld. His response to Chick and the other fundamentalists would probably be that their God isn't really worth worshiping, regardless of his promises of eternal life. At the same time, he wouldn't like the Devil's plans, obviously. So he takes the third option, regardless of consequences, because it is the only right action. Personally, I'd agree. Chick's vision of God isn't really one that seems benevolent or just.

>>12595586

Hmm, so... have a world where the Chick tracts are true, but keep the thing about how Christ is the only way to salvation as something that Christian fundamentalists believe in. And there are probably (as in some of the tracts) people who call themselves Christians but who are actually evil, people who say they're Muslims or Catholic but who are actually part of an evil conspiracy and all that- but the players, having being brought up in a world pretty much identical to ours, may hold entirely different beliefs to them, and chose to believe in those instead. Since they don't actually have proof of the existence of God so much as they've got demons and magic users and evidence of people being involved in really nasty business, they'd have a number of options as to how to approach these and address them. Most routes will probably result in major san loss, but hey, it's not exactly happy fun noblebright world.

The alternate beliefs thing is something that I'll probably put in! Thanks a lot, anon, I'm starting to get a better sense of how exactly to run this campaign.

>>12595639
Glad I could help. I might give this a shot, too. It seems like a pretty cool idea.

http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/left_behind/page/31/

The first posts start here chronologically and work backwards through the pages of the archive.

This is a wondrous idea, OP.

This must be archived. Deus Vult!

Lol, the archivist put in the wrong thread. Try again.

>>12595928
shit I frigged up
sorry
somebody else do it

Holy fuck bump. This idea is awesome. I've been a fan of Chick's work for a while, If by fan you mean disturbed, and slightly scared of, but incredibly amused by.

>>12595988

OP here, sorry, was in class for a bit. And, yeah, that's sort of how I feel about Chick's work as well. It's pretty fascinating and almost as good as some of the best fiction out there for just how way out it is- until you start considering that there may be someone out there who actually takes it seriously, and believes that the world's really like that...

That's rather where the idea came from. Mind if I ask if you have any particular tracts that you're fond of?

>>12595784

Thanks a lot, anon! I'll be sure to check this out.

Anyway, OP back. I was reading a few more of the tracts- a bit troublesome, since his site is blocked here, but eh, nothing too hard to get around. He seems to take a very personal approach to evil, like demons actually have the time and resources to corrupt souls one by one. Should I have the players be approached by mysterious figures offering them help and aid? I'd want to be a lot more subtle than how most of this demons go about doing that sort of thing, though, since they're rather blatant in the 'OH HERE HAVE SOME MONEY... all you need to give me is your soul!!!' way.

Then again, that might work in a Refuge in Audacity sense.

>>12596242

Just go Faustian with them.

Archived properly this time.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/12594559/

And so it shall be recorded that another momentous game scenario has been created by the genius of /tg/

>>12596258

Going to have to figure out how to put the 'deal' in a way that their characters would seriously consider it. The tract I was reading had a bankrupt farmer saying something like 'I'd sell my soul to keep my farm!'. To update that for less... rural people, maybe curing a son (of one disease, but setting him up for some nasty thing) to corrupt the father? I'd rather play upon emotions than greed, if I'm going to use this in the plot.

>>12596109
I'm pretty sure Chick beleives in his own work, and I'm of course fond of the D&D one, Though it was the Evolution one that I saw first I think, of which my HS biology teacher owned a copy (For the lulz), but some of my other favorites include Christian Rock (Angels?), and Truckers( Bad Bob). Angels? Is fucking AWESOME. And probably my favorite due to the sheer rediculousness of it, aside from the D&D one.

>>12596258
By "Faustian" you are referencing Ms. Faust, the creator of My Little Pony, right?

>>12596319

Yep. You know she made a deal with the devil to sell those things.

>>12596271

Ah, whoa... I'm kind of really glad that /tg thinks this is a good idea! It's the first time I've started a thread that got archived, haha.

>>12596293

The first time I saw his tracts, I thought, what a brilliant troll- and then I found out he probably(?) wasn't. It'd take a particularly interesting mind to come up with something like that...

I've seen Angels! Not the trucker one, though, will go read it next.

>>12596330
>>12596319
Lauren Faust is not the creator if My Little Pony. She's just the developer, producer, storyboard artist, and creative director of the new series.

She also worked on Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends as the developer, supervising producer, writer, story, story supervisor, storyboard artist, character designer, animation director, story editor and as the inspiration for Frankie. On Powerpuff Girls she was the storyboard artist, writer, director, and supervising director.

Before that, she was an animator for some minor shit.

She didn't sell her soul to the devil though, she just married her boss.

>>12596414
>Implying there's a difference

>>12597081
Only if you do anal

I love the alternate beliefs idea, and that was how I was assuming you'd handle the whole "check box, be saved" thing.
For a non-religious or not-particularly-religious person, the fundamentalist argument is a bit more convincing now that it turns out they were right about evil, but there are still no guarantees.

By the way, does Jack Chick exist in Chickworld? I can only imagine how persecuted he must be. Might the crackpot neighbor who opens the PCs eyes and gives them some basic tools/info end up being silenced, or perhaps be silenced even before the PCs get there, leaving them to sort through the house and put the pieces together?

>>12595248
My grandmother is actually a wonderful, kind, very pious, and slightly credulous woman. It's just that in half a century of super-Catholicism, you tend to acquire a lot of things. (As a side note, her washing machine accidentally became a third-class relic.) She also gave me the book in which I found that conspiracy theory about the UN. I'm not even going to try to defend that purchase.

>>12596288
Just remember, pic related.
But really, if they're doing goetic magic, you could have something go awry and have the controllers become the controlled, or you could have a mysterious person offer one of them who gets killed another shot at life without making it clear that he's a demon or that there's a contract. (cf "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2 Cor 11:14 in, of course, the KJV) With the reach and power of the conspiracy, they could even arrange to kill someone in order to gain a certifiably-damned mortal agent.

Heart's got a jew nose.

>>12594559
>read game concept
>icame.jpg

>>12595291

Supernatural is basically a Call of Cthulhu/White Wolf how-to-guide.

>>12596109
Highly relevant tract, what with Halloween coming up. I don't suppose you can get the setting and a group together in three days? It would add a little extra atmosphere.
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0058/0058_01.asp

This is also a rare-ish example of overt supernatural events in Chickworld.

Other good ones for the setting:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0099/0099_01.asp A local cabal of the conspiracy meets and a feisty old woman saves her granddaughter from death.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0093/0093_01.asp Masonry, Baphomet, a fez being a shrine to Allah, parasuicide r/t demonic attack, etc.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5025/5025_01.asp The Apocalypse, including the Pope as the Antichrist and other tangible signs (leave the Rapture out).

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp The Holocaust was masterminded by the Jesuits.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp More apocalypse, this time under one world government.

Picture is from "Plate Tectonics: Satan's Science" (not really, but that's the message)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0022/0022_01.asp
>The Assignment

I think I may have found my next D&D campaign.

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>>12597240
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1036/1036_01.asp Mason possessed by servant of Baphomet

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp The persecution of KJV translators, Satan controlling the Maccabees, and of course, "deep Catholic agents" behind it all.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0007/0007_01.asp Another take on the Apocalypse.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1061/1061_01.asp An angel fighting a skinwalker? I think so!

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0072/0072_01.asp The state of Chickworld.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1062/1062_01.asp Russia and "the Muslims" launch an attack on Israel under papal protection, are defeated by meteorites.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp This isn't particularly relevant, but it's amusing to see Jack Chick mocking someone else's beliefs as silly.

>>12597240
>>12597382

Thank you.

>>12597240
God hates penises. You heard it here first.

>>12594559

Oh boy, I remember that one. The best part in it were the "spiritual healers" who were some kind of an order of muscular warriors in Torquemada helmets. Those motherfuckers looked BADASS.

>>12597561

>>12594811
>7 Greatest world empires
> Chinese not included
> Mongols not included
> British not included
> Spanish not included
> Alexander's Empire called "Greece"
WTF am I reading?

>>12598944
Hardcore christians. They're fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking retarded.

>>12598970
JESUS'S LOVE IS A HELL OF A DRUG

>>12594635
>What I'd like is the gradual horror of realising that something that sounds totally insane and unbelievable and like the rantings of a madman is actually true.
Then I'd say it's very important not to outright tell your players that it's a horror game.
A horror game becomes considerably less horrifying when you know it's a horror game.
It's like watching the 6th Sense and knowing Shyamalan twist. Sure, it's an okay movie with pretty good acting, but the initial surprise-shock is gone.

>>12599118
Agreed. IMO horror is defined by incongruity. The horror of zombie movies is not really in terms of the zombies, its in terms of what the humans do to each other.

>>12599146
Precisely. A concrete example: as a horror movie, Shaun of the Dead did great, specifically because of the scene where Shaun has to effectively kill his own mother (if I remember correctly) because she turned into a zombie.
That shit was like swalling molten lava... fucking brutal...

>>12599170
Yeah, that was fucking horrible, in contrast to the rest of the movie being mostly funny and light hearted.

I really think people who think a horror game should be serious the whole time are missing the point. I've been in a few games where the whole thing was nothing but DEAD KIDS HERE, MY TOWN IS DEEEEEAAAAD THERE, and wondered why people weren't emotionally invested.

If I were running this game, and God willing, some day I will, I'd have the players play their characters as they grow up.

So the first scenario has the characters at High School, maybe faced with the temptations of underage sex and D&D. And then the next game has them a little older and a little wiser, and facing down something else. Until eventually they're the wise old people dispensing the Truth to the next generation.

Also, has Chick ever done anything with Barack Obama? That seems like a well of potential evil.

3-4 months ago, I woulda said "go ask /x/" in a nice, supporting fashion, but I suppose that's a gonner.

This guy has to be in it, I don't care how. LOOK AT THAT FUCKING HAT, GODDAMN!

>>12594559
My question is one I've never gotten an answer for: Does Jack Chick actually believe the things he discusses are real/the way things happen, or is he just a gigantic troll?

I loved the evolution one where the kid learns about how creatures who are better able to survive in their environment are more likely to pass on their genes and then IMMEDIATELY BECOMES A WHITE SUPREMACIST.

>>12599517
With religious nutjobs, you never know.

>>12599517
I would assume he does. He's been doing this for decades, after all.

>>12599517
He's like Glenn Beck: there's no way to know. I really, deeply want to believe they're just trolling, because if they're serious then Jesus Christ.

>>12599523
I've been trolling people my entire life, even before I knew what trolling was.

Then again, religious folk.

Interestingly, the Tracts never show what happens in Heaven... you could easily say that Heaven is, in fact, an And I Must Scream zone where everyone is turned into artwork for the angels to enjoy.

>>12599503
>>12594559
Does anyone know what specific tract these two panels are from ?

>>12599534
Oh wow, Exalted made a good post! Fucking hell, truly, Ragnarok must be near.

>>12599517
No idea, but he's never been caught laughing at his own material.
Among the various things in his bio he was born in 1924, drafted into the Army in 1943 (service in the Pacific Theater), and claims to have sold 750 million of his comics.
He grew up well before the idea of exploiting irony, and he in the sense that we mean is actually Chick Publishing so while he's near death (Chick reported that he had suffered a heart attack while being transported to the hospital suffering from hypoglycemia. Shortly thereafter he had a triple coronary artery bypass. -Wikipedia) the Chick Tract will doubtless be a part of the American cultural freak show for some time to come.

>>12599555
The Last Generation

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0094/0094_01.asp

btw, remember that according to Chick, the Catholic Church has the name of EVERY PROTESTANT CHURCHGOER IN THE WORLD on a super-computer...despite the fact that that would be impossible to track.

>>12599605

Not to mention that the "supercomputer" wasn't exactly invented until what, the 50s at the earliest? So the Catholic Church had to have written these names down in thousands of tomes, having to cross out each person that died and write new ones for every one born. And unless they are THAT anal-retentive about documentation, I imagine a whole lot of people will end up being unrecorded in the transition.

>>12599534

Probably assumed you sing the glory and praise of God every moment you're up there, and mot much else, considering anything worthwhile is considered "sinful". That's what I got from all these, anyways.

But you know, that might make the scariest revelation of them all. The fact that despite "salvation" and God being "just and fair", he's really just a massive, egotistical prick who's only in it for himself, "saving" his children only if they submit to complete obedience to him.

>>12599714
>The fact that despite "salvation" and God being "just and fair", he's really just a massive, egotistical prick who's only in it for himself, "saving" his children only if they submit to complete obedience to him.
The Chickverse makes this pretty much canon. He says he's not, but his actions show otherwise.

>>12599756
He just loves tossing people into lakes of fire.

I know this thread is all just opinions, but here's an idea that might work:

God doesn't care. Humans have all fucked up too many times, and the only one that's actually trying to help us is Jesus.

Heaven and Hell are both under the impression that they can win, but they're fighting an endless stalemate and humanity is suffering for it.

Hell is, basically, Dante's Inferno, verbatim. Heaven is a limitless expanse where the air is a palpable mist of condensed bliss, to keep its inhabitants complacent. Neither is too much better or worse than Earth, save for the proximity to those in charge of them.

Evil winning will kill everyone off.

Good winning will cause the world to stagnate, and die.

The third side of neutrality, the people on Earth that only want this shit to stop, can win, but they need a miracle that comes only from themselves to pull it out.

We've forgotten the most important thing here. Is D&D going to be evil in this game?

>>12600215
It's gotta be, it definitely is in chick's mind. The campaign, at least part of it, has to be about the pc's trying to put a stop to the roleplaying menace. For instance, they could would be to create an forum that is ostensibly for enthusiasts of these devil games to talk about and trade ideas for them, but let it (or cause it to) get so full of trolls, perverts and autistic teenagers that people begin to abandon the hobby in disgust. Oops left my snark lock on, but seriously, yeah, I would say in the chickiverse, roleplaying is evil and dangerous

>http://www.chick.com/

Pic heavely related to my reaction

I want a chick fillet

>>12600625
>They're suggesting that people should "share their love" with children that come to their comes trick-or-treating.

I think you get arrested for that.

Chick also has a bunch of comics going into greater detail about the occult, the Catholic conspiracy, etc. http://www.chick.com/catalog/comiclist.asp

Unfortunately, they're not readable online. I'll see if one of our agents can get scans.

I forgot one of the funniest Chick tracts: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0945/0945_01.asp

Knowingly allowing your friends to slide into the fiery pit doesn't keep you out of heaven, apparently. And let's look at his converts:
-A woman who believes she and her family have psychic abilities
-A guy who was high at the time
-Some lady, no info.
-A 10 y/o.
-A police officer and his wife
-A teenager who was considering attempting suicide with a .22 pistol. I suppose he might have eventually hit something important, gotten lucky, or just bled out slowly.

>>12599605
Jack Chick, who believes that D&D is done with costumes and real magic, still properly used the Staff of Asclepius instead of a caduceus in his fake one-world WHO logo (p. 17). I mad.

>>12599605
There are so many great things in that comic.
- The Anti-Catholic stuff (A Jesuit announces the reeducation/extermination camp order; the "Mother Goddess" is a clear reference to Marian devotion and apparitions)
- "We inserted microchips to increase the pain" might be one of the best lines ever.
- Bobby is just the meanest little shit, and is a great window into fundamentalist anxieties about losing control of their kids
- Spiritual Healer outfits. These would make great (if obscure) Halloween costumes
- God saves the day by killing all of His followers.

>>12599484
what's wrong with /x/?

>>12602028
Agreed, but there might be a character worse than Bobby, at least out of context.

>>12599990
I'm not a fan of the "Heaven and Hell both suck" approach to getting your players to go their own way. I'd rather have what happens after death remain a mystery; it offers your players more options and more plausibility. A character might still have a NDE involving Hell, or see a vision of Heaven, but he has no way of knowing if it's accurate or more demonic tricks, and so how he reacts to it becomes an important decision.

Relevant?
http://thephoenix.com/boston/news/110643-gay-tea-party-witch-sex-three-tales-of-erotic-pol/?page=2

>>12602028
>Jesuit conspiracy

What's next? Jewish magic striking the roman Emperor?

>>12602732
Don't you know anything? The Pope IS a Roman Emperor or "Caesar"

>>12603014

Are you some kind of Protestant?

>>12603014
The great thing about Chick's takedowns of the Catholic Church and Islam is how he attempts to use history and archaeology to shore up his biblical arguments, but it's always like he read about a third of the way through whatever book he's using* to debunk his enemies. Hence the pope being a successor to Caesar and Allah being a moon god (the story of which sounds a lot like the story of the Satanic Verses - not the Rushdie book so much but the actual event).

*Of course, he's using the whole book, it's just that the books he quotes from were written by even bigger liars and idiots than him. You know, histories written by fundie historians.

>>12603084
If it was in a Chick Tract, it MUST be true!

>>12603116
It's hard to take his sources seriously when they're all published by CHICK PUBLISHING.

>>12599714
Also, it's not like you have to enter your name to attend a church service. Unless they had spies literally everywhere, they'd never be able to keep track.

>>12603141
lol so true
BUY MY BOOK! BUY MY BOOK! BUY MY BOOK!

>>12603084
Pretty sure he's referencing Chick's "Papa" tract:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1057/1057_01.asp

I love how Chick makes all the bad people look INSANELY UGLY.

>>12599714
To be fair, most churches tend to keep pretty good records of births, deaths, baptisms, marriages, etc. in their congregation. The Catholic Church certainly does.

So it would be possible to have a list of a great many practicing protestants out there. And, I'm sure, in Chickverse the Pope has access to this because of his numerous minions who work as spies in various mainline protestant churches (the kind that don't believe that the Pope is the antichrist or that the UN is part of a Satanic conspiracy).

Besides, what the fuck are monks for besides copying down information?

>>12603162
>Spies everywhere

>mfw

>>12599605
"Moving into our mansions in heaven" is matched only by the "New Age Healer."

Tingle-Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!

>>12603135
Things I learned today:
>Nobody read the bible until the Protestant Reformation
>Moon Gods. Moon Gods everywhere.
>Satan routinely appears on earth and murders people for shits and giggles.
>Hippies are in league with the Nazis and the Catholics to kill your pets and promote Satanism
>Britain, China, the Soviets, the Nazis, and America don't count as "Great Empires."

>>12603283
Britain and China sure but the others are not realy empires

Soviet Union may be a borderline example

>Pretty sure he's referencing Chick's "Papa" tract:
>http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1057/1057_01.asp

Wow...now according to less biased sources, the obelisk actually used to stand south of the basilica. Nevermind that it was mostly moved there because Paul was said to have died close to it. But yeah, it's Chick. He does not care for your silly faith.

>>12603328

Most of what you see as the Soviet Union is colonial land the Czar won during the 19th century. They were heirs to an empire.

>MFW Jack Chick shit-talks the Quakers and Masons.
>MFW HATES EVERY PRINCIPLE AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON AND SAYS THAT GOD WROTE THE TRUE CONSTITUITION BUT EEEEVIL PAPISTS HID IT AWAY AND REPLACED IT WITH EEEEVIL.

It's like he's a fucking ¶Seer of the Throne¶.

Oh shit, that explains everything.

>>12603399
True, though Soviet attempts to rule and modernize areas like Turkestan and Kazakhstan used the same sorts of methods as the French in Algeria. If anything, the Soviet Union's rule over its periphery was more similar to a modern empire than the Czar's attempts.

But that's not really the point of the thread.

>>12603283
Didn't the Catholics apparentyl START the Soviet Revolution, despite the fact that they were atheistic?

So the OP's setting is basically Good Omens, but set in America with the BATSHIT CRAZY and Grimdark in the back of every American's head being a real force?

Also, the Catholics started retconning the bible since BEFORE they even got together, the divergent denominations all use a bible that was retconned at some point, unless they're very shrewd archaeologists, and the only real examples of that(IF YOU BELIEVE THEM) are the RO church, the Masons(Gnostic Christianity predates Catholicism), and the Knights Templar(who were executed for performing EVIL JEW WITCHCRAFT.)

Also, if the only way to avoid going to Hell is to follow God's Word AS IT WAS WRITTEN, then everyone except an incredibly small minority which none of us belong to will end up in hell, so it's aarrhh. Fuck it. It's better to just trust that the universe has some sort of inherent fairness.

>>12603732
According to Chick, that fairness is God and if you don't follow the rules, you won't see fairness.

Fundies are all psychos.

>>12603709
Well, duh. Everyone knows that.

What kind of parents send their terminally-ill daughter out on Halloween with only her brother to look after her?

>Secular-humanist scum, that' who.

>>12595013
Actually, he didn't execute him - he killed them with his bare hands. 300. He was superpowered.

She was 'evil' because she tempted Shlomo/Salamon from the way of God, and earlier, when he wanted a vineyard that one of his people refused to sell him, framed the owner of the wineyard and got him stoned to death so that Salamon could have it.

It's all over. Everything's ashes. Bobby died of AIDS, Jim O.D.'d.

And Don is into vampirism.

>>12604376
DAMN YOU TWILIGHT!

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

This one isn't terribly relevant, except when they claim that Jesus is the binding force of atoms.

Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Strong Nuclear Force.

>>12604376
Which is that from?

>>12605933
See, the Catholics lie and say that it's just some brute force of the universe. Well, that's what they say through their puppets: the scientific establishment. What they tell their sad, deluded followers is that the pope himself commands God to hold atoms together, and God is obliged to comply.

>>12605933
There's a reason scientists call unknown powers and variables the God Factor.

>>12594977

Actually the implication is most of the world is either in denial or outright possessed. Try the Left Behind For Kids series, which is a bit less heavy-handed and, despite the title, more oriented towards teenagers than anything else. There's a scene in one book (though it's been a while, and I may be recalling it incorrectly) where a high school girl gets attacked by one of her teachers who just found out she was a Christian, and is handcuffed and forced into the teacher's car to be driven to a police station for re-education. Then the Worldwide Earthquake happens, the car nearly falls into a massive bottomless chasm, and when the girl tries to help the teacher escape before the car falls over the edge the teacher turns out to be a demon that tries to kill her.

She gets away, only for the police to accuse her of murder later. She winds up having to hide with a bunch of other Christians in nuked-out Chicago or something after the Antichrist reveals his true nature (ie, after getting shot in the head, coming back to life, and declaring himself a god) and starts forcing everyone to worship him.

I don't get the Apocalyptic Fundamentalists' obsession with the UN taking over everything. The UN barely has any power at all. It's just a useful forum.

>>12606305
Angels? It's the Christian Rock one.

>>12606446
That's what the Pope /wants/ you to think. He runs the UN from his seat in Rome.* That's why the titular head of the UN is called the "General Secretary" - he is actually a secretary in the Roman Curia.**


* - see Ephesians 4:17
** - for more information see "HERESY!" available from Chick Publications.

>>12606443
>Actually the implication is most of the world is either in denial or outright possessed.
Well, the second works, but the first is kind of the point - at some point you'd think more people would start putting the pieces together. I mean, unlike ChickWorld, the Left Behind books have all kinds of supernatural shit happen every fucking day. Russia launches a nuclear strike on Israel and all the missiles just disappear mid-air. AND NOBODY ASKED WHAT THE FUCK WAS GOING ON?

>>12606495
AND the General of the Catholic's secret billion-strong army, right?

>>12595013

1 Kings 18:24,38-40, notable for making it on Cracked's "9 Most Badass Bible Verses" article. What your principal forgot to mention is the prophets that got killed were Baal worshipers who conducted child sacrifice.

Even the Romans didn't like these guys. I'm pretty sure I remember they stamped out the cult of Baal after they destroyed Carthage, the last kingdom where it was in widespread practice.

>>12606520
Ah, I see you've read "The Papist Horde and YOU: A Guide to the Impending End Times."*

* - Available from Chick Publishing

>>12606519
THERE WAS EVEN A GIANT HAND BLOCKING THEM

>>12606519
>>12606559

The masses rolled to disbelieve.

>classical music
Who knew that Phillip Glass was a front for the Satanic Conspiracy? Well, I always had my suspicions after Kuynafuckingwhatever.

>>12604376

wait, so that guy died of AIDS in one week? Damn.

Holy shit. OP here, and I did not expect this thread to be still up- I thought it'd have died off by now, honestly. Read through all the other comments and certainly noting down the relevant ones!

>>12599118

I don't really want to fool my players into rolling for one sort of game and then playing another, because that's just not very enjoyable, in my opinion. What I do hope to do is to basically make them think it might be a one sort of horror (the scream/shock type) as opposed to a more... muted sort.

>>12599990

I am planning on doing this! Thanks for the comment. Right now I'm figuring to have the protagonists realise that while they may be able to escape hell, heaven is not exactly a paradise either. Since Chick didn't elaborate on what heaven is like (but does note that they have elaborate statistics on EVERY HUMAN BEING, same as hell) I can probably use them as antagonists. Between the devil and the angels and fucked either way, I guess...

>>12597382

Ohh, thanks! These are useful, will read the ones I haven't seen yet.

>>12606443

The game right now is set more in a typical present day scenario than it is in a post apocalyptic period, but if I plan on making this any more than a quick campaign, something like that may be fun to look into... like an earlier anon pointed out, this setting could lend itself to a number of time periods.

If anyone else is thinking of using this as a game setting, please do! I'd really be curious to hear how you're planning on doing Chick World.

>>12606613
No, a week after Jim OD'd.

The other guy died of AIDS after 3 months and a week.

Here's a full-color, comic-sized exposition of how the Catholics are running the world and the truth behind the Jesuit-masterminded Holocaust.
http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0114/0114_allinone.asp

Notable points:
-Ignatius of Loyola founded the Illuminati.
-The Jesuits killed Abraham Lincoln,
-The Jesuits ghostwrote much of Marx and Engel's work.
-The Jesuits, together with Jews loyal to the Pope, wrote the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
-The Church started WWI and were planning WWII even before it had ended.
-To quote Abraham Lincoln, "The Jesuits never forgive nor forsake."
-The Russian Revolution was planned to wipe out the Orthodox church, but the Bolsheviks double-crossed the Pope in exchange for the czars' gold stash.
-The Weimar Republic's economic troubles were caused by Catholics being directed to buy land.
-The Ethiopians were fighting the Italian invasion force with spears and shields.
-"Mein Kampf" was also ghostwritten

You know what, just read it yourself. Every page is a new wonder.
Also, there's a museum dedicated to Chick tracts:http://chickcomics.com/

>>12603213
>Besides, what the fuck are monks for besides copying down information?
Making delicious preserves and excellent beer. And that's only one order.

>>12603209
Be fair. He also makes the "good" people look insanely ugly.

>>12606446

PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN GOD. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

These are the people who believe that everyone who listens to music other than gospel or reads a book other than the bible will go to hell because IDOLATRY. They think that the rich got where they were because GOD LOVES THEM. These are the people who think Mark Chapman is a SAINT! They don't make any sense, and they never will and our best recourse is to kill them and their children.

>-To quote Abraham Lincoln, "The Jesuits never forgive nor forsake."
LEEJUN

>>12606802
>Notable points:
Holy shit it makes total fucking sense. And all of the evidence that would seem to indicate otherwise is just disinformation put out by the Pope/Devil.

>Mark David Chapman is a saint

I know someone who actually believes that shit.

I need to move out of this shithole country.

>>12606850
Personally, I think it is our multiplicity of opinions that makes this country great.

Unless you actually live in Burundi or whatever. In that case, more power to you.

>>12606802
>Dr. Nick: The Catholic Church has always wanted to move to Jerusalem, natch.
>Timmy: Well, what stopped them if they're such a powerful force for evil?
>Dr. Nick: it was the jews lol

Yeah, it certainly wasn't like the region was under the control of various Muslim empires for the last millennium or anything, even if that was the super secret goal of the pope.

>>12606983
Duh, the Muslims are controlled by the Catholics DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING?

>>12606824
Of course it makes sense! Here's further explanation, perhaps from Mr. Chick himself:

"CHARGE NO. 3

Rivera's "Conspiracy Theory" is extreme and paranoid.

Answer: There are only two ways in which world history can be explained:

1. The accidental theory. All events, such as those world depressions, revolutions, wars and political plots are the results of pure chance. Such a view is as ridiculous as belief in evolution!

2. The conspiratorial theory. World events such as mentioned above, take place because some influential people want them to happen and make them happen. People with power meet behind closed doors and work out plans to achieve their aims. The most precise way to describe such conduct is - conspiracy. "

>>12607000
And here's the book it's from: http://www.chick.com/reading/books/199/0199cont.asp

Links to content are at the bottom of the page.

And here's another: http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153cont.asp

You probably won't find many specifics. It should be enough for the campaign to know that everything stinks of Popery and the Jesuits are basically the 40k Inquisition, except unified.

>>12606446

It goes back to the whole "one world government" thing in Revelations. You see, anything that promotes nations actually coming together and discussing things diplomatically instead of howling at each other like banshees over stupid crap and starting wars every six months is seen as a jump-start to the "NEW WORLD ORDER", and therefore, the end times.

THIS is partly why any diplomatic solution to a problem in America is fought against tooth and nail. It's seen as the leaders promoting the "NEW WORLD ORDER", and makes us look "weak" (read: HOMOSEX). And along with the typical American fundie's knack for literally demonizing anything that disagrees with them, you can see why America is in the mess it's in right now.

But personally? I'm more afraid of some jackass wealthy fundie jump-starting the apocalypse through manipulation just so he can get into heaven quicker.

The Jesuit oath, initiation, and secret signs:
http://monsterwax.tripod.com/jesuitoath.html

The Knights of Columbus are going to play a major role in the Catholic takeover, and more about the Pope's plan for America: http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_11.asp

Alright, I give up. This is at least as bad as wading through Scientology documents, possibly worse. Hubbard didn't believe his own work, and he was a different kind of crazy.

Good luck with the game.

What? Jesuits? Oshi-

>>12607192
You forgot the "best."

There is a now-discontinued tract that literally states that you can rape you daughter repeatedly and pimp her out to the neighbors but you will still go to Heaven if you say you accept Jesus as your savior.

I had the tract a long time ago but sadly it's gone away...

>>12607192
My brain hurts ;_;
Hey wait, didn't the Pope call for the Crusade against the Muslims? Why would the Church want them to fight each other if it was controlling them? And I thought that Muhammed decided to make the Moon-God the One God so he would have a powerful tribe behind him in his bid for power.

It's almost like none of this makes sense.

>>12607080
You do realize there are a fuck load of PRAGMATIC reasons why a one world government is a terrible fucking idea, right? Giving up liberties in exchange for, um... nothing whatsoever in return is always a bad choice.

>>12607274
Yes, but the reasons people use in his post are borderline retarded.

"DON'T YOU DARE NOT GO TO WAR! NEW WORLD ORDER! RABBLERABBLE!"

>>12607274
There are lots of good reasons for a one world government though. Such as efficiency, less wars aside from civil ones and an easier time being able to move around and do what you want.

What liberties are you talking about? One government doesn't mean everywhere on Earth would be following the same laws.

>>12607320

Well there you go. And I haven't particularly heard that one.

>>12607250
Oh good, I found it! Read and watch as any faith you had in humanity magically disappear! Thanks Jack!

>>12607362

>>12607370

>>12607395
And that concludes the worst storytime ever. As well as proof that Jack Chick is batshit crazy and I do not wanna live in his world.

>>12607361
Most of the people in the US, who are against World Government like to cite religious reasons though. At least the large evangelical population. It's pretty retarded. But in OP's game, it might very well be the only thing preventing the Elder Gods from arising.

>>12607341

>government
>efficiency

O LAWDY LAWD
Somebody doesn't live in California.

>less wars aside from civil ones

One world government = one 'country.'
So of course all wars would be civil ones, and there's no guarantee there'd be less of them or the scope of their devastation.

>One government doesn't mean everywhere on Earth would be following the same laws.

So the U.N. which we have right now qualifies for one world government? Seriously, that's what I'm getting from you, and I'm not sure you're communicating your point effectively.

Here, OP. I've designed a handout you can give your players after they figure out part of the conspiracy.

I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE BIG SECRET: THE PTA IS JUST A FRONT FOR THE HOMOSEXUAL COUPLE THAT MOVED IN DOWN THE BLOCK.

>>12607453
Be sure that it's poorly-xeroxed and smells a little like burnt cheese when you give it to them. That's what every fundamentalist tract I've ever been handed has been like.

>>12607453
Of course, I knew Big Business was in league with the Communists. The entire puzzle all fits into place now! I MUST GO TELL THE PEOPLE!

>>12607341

Well, it rather depends on the nature of that one world government, don't you think?

How about a one world government that's super libertarian where all corporations are allowed to practice as unethical business and industrial standards as they like and that no national government is permitted to impose fines for pollution and shit, until the whole damn earth is turned into some nasty 40k forge world?

Or how about the reverse, a super eco freak one world government where they can punish countries for being too populated ("we're not telling you to conduct involuntary sterilization, but lets just say you'd better get that taken care of") or whatever?

A little extreme of examples but as the more lofty and distant a political office becomes the more vile and empty the campaigning for it becomes.

There are literally infinite possibilities for abuse, and what is there to gain? A little extra convenience for the idle rich who want to vacation somewhere? How the fuck would it be governed, democratically? That'd just mean big countries can abuse smaller countries at will. And I don't need to point out the problems with a non democratic world government.

Don't forget your Bible, to ward off those pesky Catholics!

>>12607584
>A little extra convenience for the idle rich who want to vacation somewhere?
I think one of the chief aims of world federalism-types is the growth of world democracy. The whole idea is that under a single world government, there would be enough power (and, more importantly, obligation) for the world to stop things like genocide, and the developing world would have a legal and political system that would permit their economic growth.

Maybe that's naive, but I think the goals of world government supporters are far loftier than you're making them out to be. The benefits are pretty clear.

>>12607407
what. the fuck.

that's just sad and horrifying.

>>12607584
You can easily imply that all governments on Earth just benefit the rich. Otherwise how did they get rich in the first place?! The world already sucks, and countries are already treated terribly like most of Africa and the Middle East, not to mention parts of Asia and even Eastern Europe. It isn't as though having their own singular countries has helped out at all. In the end though, it'd depend on the type of government. Obviously if you choose the most extreme examples you'll get terrible outcomes, the same thing would happen if either of those took place in the US or China.


This discussion would be best suited in another thread, made into a more /tg/ topic. Such as how a one world government would work on Earth in an RPG setting.

>>12607569
>>12607593
That was in response to this person, by the way. Oh God I hope he remembered his bible!

>>12607593
But it has to be a King James Version! Even though the NLT version was actually better translated from the original Greek and Hebrew!

>>12607666
>666
Yeah, better translated alright. BY SATAN!
Begone devil, with your hatetext!

>I think one of the chief aims of world federalism-types is the growth of world democracy.

So they're going for irony points here? How the fuck is an intrinsically non-democratic government going to spread democracy? Healer, heal thyself.

>The whole idea is that under a single world government, there would be enough power (and, more importantly, obligation) for the world to stop things like genocide

Man, the uploaditarian transhumanists already gave me the spiel that to solve all injustice we just need to create something to be our unquestionable ruler and shovel power into its mouth and nothing can go wrong. The UN already has more than enough power to stop genocide.

>I think the goals of world government supporters are far loftier than you're making them out to be.

Yes, everyone in the history of everything has high, noble ideals. Your intent, unfortunately, has nothing to do with it.

>Obviously if you choose the most extreme examples you'll get terrible outcomes, the same thing would happen if either of those took place in the US or China.

Uh, the Chinese government is already about as depraved as you can get. Cancer towns? Execution vans? Come on, now.

>>12607755
>So they're going for irony points here? How the fuck is an intrinsically non-democratic government going to spread democracy? Healer, heal thyself.
I don't think you really understand what we're talking about here.

>>12607779
Government-sponsored horrors are a hole with no bottom. They can always make it worse.

>>12607795
Yes, I realize that a non-democratic world government could have as part of its charter to spread hope and joy freedom and liberty and equality and peace and democracy and tolerance and hope and joy and liberty and joy to all the world.

That being said, accomplishing positive change is probably better done with an organization that isn't inherently hypocritical to begin with.

>>12607407
You know, at least the Catholic priest will tell you that you have to turn yourself in to the police to get absolution.

Holy fuck what an awful message.

>NEW WORLD ORDER

...

How can they live in America and say this shit? Do they not get that this is what British Protestants used to say about US? That FREEMASONS AND JEWS AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER were the boogeymen they used to explain away America's independence? Goddamnit these people are dense.

The sole reason the brits ranted about how Freemasons are an EVIL CONSPIRACY UNDERMINING OUR WAY OF LIFE is because they refused to break ties with their American brothers. Goddamnit. It's like our country is run by the same assholes we rebelled against three hundred years ago.

Wait. That's exactly WHY they have the language and demeanor of those assholes, it's because they keep reincarnating in good civilizations so they can fuck them up.

>>12607801
Touche`.

>>12607833
No, what you seem to not be getting is that a world government does not imply a non-democratic government.

In any case, you are derailing the thread.

This...this is beautiful. If you were an attractive woman, I'd be in love with you OP. You must do this. It is your destiny.

>>12607843
>>12607843
>It's like our country is run by the same assholes we rebelled against three hundred years ago.
Despite what you may have been lead to believe, Chick's opinions form a distinct, very tiny minority in American politics.

You can compare him to generic fundamentalists, but his beliefs are that taken up to about 500000. Most would agree with him on theological matters, but relatively few buy into the conspiratorial nonsense. They might believe that freemasonry and rock and roll and dnd are immoral, but rarely do they believe that they are a conspiracy by the UN and Vatican to destroy Christendom.

>No, what you seem to not be getting is that a world government does not imply a non-democratic government.

Oh, wonderful, you actually think a democratic one world government would be a good thing? The arms race to become the most overpopulated shithole of a country so you can get more political power begins!

>>12607919
See, that's why most proponents of democratic world government believe in some sort of republican system of checks and balances. You know, like we have in America, Canada, Australia, Brazil, and much of the rest of the first world.

It's not a bad system, really. It has worked very well. It's not perfect, but if there is any model for world government that could work, it's that.

For those of you ignoring the thread even though it's on the front page, let me tl;dr it for you.

1. 'Jack Chick is right' - the 'jesus loves you' part) + Call of Cthulhu = an excellent thought exercise and interesting setting.

2. One-World government, like many things with lofty ideals, works terribly in practice. It's even more easily corrupted than normal democracy, which is the worst system of government except all the other ones we've thought of so far.

Also, for a bonus: the world's childrens' book least likely to be published.

>>12607395
>>12607370
>>12607362
>>12595951

OH. MY. GOD.

>>12607341
>One government doesn't mean everywhere on Earth would be following the same laws.
Well, I suppose technically some places could not be under the one government, and thus entirely bereft of law. But one government means only one set of laws.

>>12608005

Federalism, dude. This isn't a hard concept.

>>12608005
Its easy to imagine the Powers That Be giving different laws to different countries and obviously some local laws would remain.

>>12607428

>Somebody doesn't live in California.

>Take away the government's ability to collect property taxes
>Wonder why the state is broke
>Keep worshipping Ayn Rand anyway. Fail to learn your lesson about self-fulfilling prophecies.

Fuck off Califag. We aren't giving OUR FUCKING TAX DOLLARS to pay for a state populated entirely by deadbeat assholes and money launderers.

That's what happens when you do things the Reagan way. You end up having to pay YOUR well earned tax-monies to subsidize Valley People.

Okay, folks, bring this back on topic. How is California's bankruptcy a product of Popery and D&D?

>>12608013
That's not one government. That's a whole bunch of governments, with one governing the others.

OP here! Regarding the Lisa comic- the part I like the most about it is how creepy the angelic guy is. It's practically blackmail, all 'hello. did you rape your daughter? I can make it so that you won't suffer in hell! just accept jesus (:' and I'm actually planning on having the players now be contacted around the mid point by a nice guy who tells them as much. By this time I hope they'll have committed at least a fair amount of crimes to keep themselves and the people they care about safe. It's interesting that in Chick's world, both devils and angels have the same method of operating... in fact, one follows the other. It's sort of like:

1) Get person in debt
2) Devil offers them a way out + hell
3) Now person faces hell instead of debt
4) Angel offers them a way out + heaven

...You'd think it's some sort of even bigger conspiracy, wouldn't you? Put that way. I'm curious as to how my players will react. I'm pretty confident they'll figure this out, but as to what they'll do, I don't know.

>>12608027

You forgot the part about requiring a 2/3rds majority to pass a budget. And the 2/3rds majority to levy new taxes of any kind.

Seriously, California is the best example of why you shouldn't listen to the big libertarian anti-tax brigades.

>>12608027
Nobody's asking for your tax dollars, faggot.

Unless you live in California anyway, in which case stop being a faggot.

>>12608073
Wow, that makes total fucking sense!!

>>12608073
Yes. When people say "they want a one world government" they mean "one government to rule them all and in the darkness bind them."

>>12608084
I get that vibe all the time from born againers. "Just say the magic words to accept Jebus.. and it'll all, be better! Just try it...." definitely makes me think, ironically, of Faustian bargains.

>>12608073

Okay, you're using a different definition of government and what constitutes one than like everyone else in this thread. By that definition the US has no single government. Which is silly unless you're one of the hard core states rights types that wish we'd stuck with the Articles of Confederation and the national paralysis it caused.

>>12608027
>>12608085

I would also draw your attention to where we can't cut services at all forever either.

This is what happens when you listen to hippies and FOR THE CHILDREN democrats.

>>12608084
True. In Chickworld, it seems that the best way to save yourself from the fires of hell is to rape your daughter or sell your soul to the devil or actively tell a bunch of Christians to fuck off, because then something will happen to you and mega-awesome Christian will show up, witness to you, and get you saved.

But if you're just average joe who masturbates every other day and tends to curse a lot during football games, you're totally fucked.

>>12608085
There's an amendment on the ballot come November 2 to make passing the budget a simple majority. The 2/3rds majority on taxes wouldn't be a problem, except the Republican Party (by which I mean the party government, not elected officials or affiliated citizens) is causing trouble by refusing to endorse any candidate that votes for increased taxes.

>"one government to rule them all and in the darkness bind them."

>>12608106

I hadn't originally intended that, since I was originally going for a just 'the devils are real and there is no god' sort of feeling, but this thread made me reconsider- the idea of a way out being offered, but being every bit as shiftily as the way to hell, is rather interesting.

>>12608109

Hell, I'd settle for fewer inviolable federal laws and MANY more state and local laws.

That's what 'states rights' is supposed to mean, but everybody thinks 'REINSTATE SLAVERY' when they hear it.

>>12608111

Some of us don't want to live in a Dickensian shithole where the glitterati in LA live fabulous lives walled off from the rest of us rioting for bread. I like having a functional middle class and not exposing large numbers of people to effectively inescapable poverty.

>>12608138

Okay, so you're a Ron Paul fan. Just understand you're a little outnumbered by people who like having a central government.

>>12608088
>>12608093
That's federalism for you!

>>12608119

I'm pretty sure one of the other tracts- the contract, I think, had a guy who signed his soul to the devil, did a bunch of bad shit, repented at the last minute and escaped hell, His decent cousin (or brother, I forget) who never signed any contract and was a pretty normal bloke, however, went to hell and met Beelzebub, who was all 'LOL O U, I don't need a contract! It's just for fun'.

And he didn't seem too upset about losing the first guy, either...

>>12608151

Oh, I adore federal government. I just wish it'd be one-size-fits-all on fewer topics instead of letting, say, california remove uterine parasites and texas prohibiting killing the unborn, to use the vernacular of each culture.

>>12608159
Oh yes! I remember this one. I think it was actually called The Contract or something.

>ursaint
>tolerance

Ahaha. I think not Captcha.

>>12608159
Yeah, and the rock music one pulls a similar deal.
I mean, it makes sense, I guess. I doubt God would be all that interested in guaranteeing Satan's business contracts.

>>12608109
That's correct, the US has very many governments. Assorted local governments are presided over by their respective state governments, and the state governments (as well as the territory governments and the District of Columbia) are governed by the federal government.

>>12608138
> That's what 'states rights' is supposed to mean, but everybody thinks 'REINSTATE SLAVERY' when they hear it.

No, what they think is "SEGREGATION." Which is exactly what many of the states did when it was left up to them.

>>12608182

Exactly. I figure we tried it and states weren't terribly responsible with it. States are useful as local laboratories to see if something works or not (like this weed thing in Cali) but we definitely need a federal government that can bring them back in line when they step out of it.

>>12608151
He never said he wanted to eliminate central government.

>>12608168
I don't really understand what you're trying to say here, but I suspect I disagree with you.

>>12608182
The distinction is irrelevant to his point.

>>12608171
>>12608174

Mn, in Chick's world, being a good person doesn't get you out of hell or into heaven or any of that sort of thing.

I'm wondering if I should have an NPC or an antagonist who wants to find a way to be immortal, since he or she decided that hell isn't a nice place and heaven isn't likely to be any better. Screwing over everyone on earth and avoiding death would seem like an understandable choice, in that regard. I was planning on having churches and other such things be fronts for a conspiracy, the way he paints it, so if someone like that was at the head of the conspiracy... hmmmm. I'll be thinking about it.

>>12608199
>>12608199
>but we definitely need a federal government that can bring them back in line when they step out of it.
So who's to say what's out of line, then? You?

>>12608182

...as a matter of intellectual curiosity, do you think it'd be different now?

I mean, they have two ethnic Indian governors down south, and they might hate blacks for the same reason they hate certain whites: they vote democratic.

>>12608182
Typical pansy ass liberal playing the race card. That's all you idiots think about, isn't it? Well news flash, no one else does. Racism is dead and buried, the only ones who are still all wrapped up about race are you liberals with you white guilt and your sickeningly retard belief that we owe the niggers anything. Get the fuck over it already.

>>12608207

My point was let californians abort babies, and let texans prohibit each other from doing such.

>>12608222
> ...as a matter of intellectual curiosity, do you think it'd be different now?

Would it be as bad as it was in the 50s? Probably not, but then again that's not saying much. Would it still be a problem. Yes, it would.

Well, it was a fun thread while it lasted, OP.

>>12608222

I think the states down there would have the potential to become much less democratic (with a little d), with impediments to voting placed on populations likely to vote for the Dems, although perhaps one might say the reverse about the North and West Coast. I'd also worry about a slide towards theocracy.

>>12608263
It ain't over yet!

>>12608258

Now, the tough question: how different would it be for the north?

In the south, there is at least a shared culture among all races. In the north, people self-segregate, and for all their talk of tolerance, by and large, each ethnicity sticks to its own part of town.

>>12608210
Unfortunately, Chick is really big on death. There's no such thing as physical immortality in his world.

>>12608258
Haven't you been listening? Nobody but you gives a damn about race anymore! The rest of us have grown up enough to judge a person on his own merits, but you liberals can't seem to get that through your thick heads.

>>12608263

Haha, I know! I'm sort of skimming the bits related to the setting, and ignoring most of the rest. I'm afraid that a lot of the subtleties of American internal politics tends to go past me, since I'm not actually American. Now, if you want me to talk about its foreign policy, that's another matter... for another board.

Still, I definitely came away with some interesting campaign ideas and things to read. I'll probably check up the Left Behind books for ideas, and I think this may be a world worth expanding upon. If I do flesh it out more thoroughly, I'll make another post here about it.

>>12608288

Yep. But I'm wondering if it's possible that a demon in Chick's world would extend the life of a particular individual if it meant more souls in the long run getting condemned to hell... thus bringing in the whole aspect of the global conspiracy to damn everyone.

>>12608268
Here in CA, there's rampant gerrymandering, but otherwise, we're the most democratic state out there, being the only state with three forms of direct democracy. And we have the most state rights, by virtue of being big and important enough to tell the feds to shove off.

>I'd also worry about a slide towards theocracy.
What's wrong with that, exactly?

>>12608298
It's an interesting concept. If "real Satanic magic" exists, then I'm sure it might be possible. However, I am very, very familiar with the Fundie Christian scene, and Chick is nothing new. Him and the others like him believe that in exchange for otherworldly power, you actually die younger because it drains your body's life energy or some shit.

>>12608268

>theocracy

I think this gets more play than its really worth. The seventh-day adventists and twefth protestant congregation would never be able to agree.

And nothing would force them into sharp reconsideration than saying 'So, exactly like Iran?'

Naturally, they'd protest that 'we're different,' but since they're probably republicans, they would also be much more amenable to the counter-argument 'that's what they all say.'

>>12608298
Actually I'm pretty sure there are vampires or some shit in the Chickverse. At the very least, there are Cat Lords and Movanic Devas.

>the idea of a way out being offered, but being every bit as shiftily as the way to hell, is rather interesting.

That's because, in a shocking tweest, it's actually JACK CHICK who gets his orders straight from Satan.

>>12608292
The issue is essentially local power versus central power, which should be pretty translatable to your own country, whatever that might be.

>>12608285
> Now, the tough question: how different would it be for the north?

Well, we can look to historical examples where, despite relatively high diversity and the presence of populations that tend to stick together based on ethnicity, at least the northern states did not enact anywhere near the same degree of racial legislation as their southern counterparts did. Similarly, despite having the "common culture" that you claim, the south did institute legal segregation based on race.

>>12608310

... Oh, damn it. Well, I suppose a cult isn't out of the question- and Chick's villains tend to be pretty one track minded anyway, so I can probably have a mantle of evil or something like that being passed from one world / religious leader to another, I guess. It'd change the nature of their involvement from 'avoid hell AND heaven' to 'get as much as I can get out of these fuckers before I die, since I'm screwed already'.

>>12608323
Indeed; it would be pretty equivalent to comparing the power of a local nation to that of the EU.

>>12608328

Again, without a shred of evidence, I argue that de facto segregation NOW is worse than de jure segregation THEN.

I mean, christ, everybody in town knows the old town is the best place for mexican food because that's where the mexicans are, but they also know all the shops have cast-iron bars in their windows for a reason and are just too polite to say anything.

>>12608323

Ahahaha... um, not really. My country's the sort that's classified as a 'nation-state' with a one party government, so no one really bothers to quibble over this sort of thing, since there isn't much point. The kind of arguments in this thread usually just fly over my head, unless I have to actually study them.

>>12608337
You mean Kali, right? The way I understood it, Chick thinks that all other deities are actually demons that deceive the masses. So Kali isn't actually a god so much as a physically violent demon.

>>12608317
This is probably the best idea. In Chick's world, it's all a giant game more or less, and Satan wants as many souls to be miserable with him as possible. So a "Passing of the Torch (Hahaha)" would be the most likely method.

>>12608352
Sorry. Switched my references up. Switch those responses.

>>12608341

It always cracks me up how a possible competitor to U.S. power fell apart because the south ran up the north's credit cards and stuck them with the bill.

No fair comparisons to the U.S. federal debt, that's a team effort at bankruptcy.

>>12608288
Hey, do any of the CHICK comics have any images of what his heaven even looks like? Aside from the mansions?

>>12594559
Your players aren't going to enjoy living in Christfag World. If they're American, they already have to deal with the stupid wankers daily.

>>12608350
Well, this is interesting to me. Care to elaborate?

>>12608352
>The way I understood it, Chick thinks that all other deities are actually demons that deceive the masses.
This belief is not rare among Christians.

>>12608352

Handover of power from one evil overlord to another it is!

I wonder if I should find some way to offer the characters (if they don't suffer so much san loss or die first) a chance to join the conspiracy. If you're fucked either which way...

Chances are at least one of them will be an unknowing member to start with. I'll have to chat with them about that, though.

>>12608328
Well, yes and no. Northern states didn't have de jure segregation (except, if I remember right, Indiana), but segregated facilities were certainly legal (and common) for most of America's history in the North.

Fun fact: many of the northern states still technically permitted slavery even up until the Civil War. As I recall, New Hampshire didn't actually outlaw slavery until something like 1855, and most states relied on a series of gradual emancipation laws and court decisions that theoretically allowed for a small number of slaves to be in those states.

(That isn't meant as a "herp derp the civil war wasn't about slavery" comment; it's just a historical oddity)

>>12608381
>That isn't meant as a "herp derp the civil war wasn't about slavery" comment
>implying that the civil war was not about slavery, and thinking it was would be stupid
Man, what.

>>12608376

There isn't really much to tell! It's a pretty boring place where joining the civil service is seen as a steady, secure job and most people don't give a shit about politics, because why bother when you can be earning money or doing something more interesting? Most people have a 'not my problem' attitude towards things, and people who actually do care just... join the government. Because, you know, why rally or protest for other people to change something when you can just work your way into a position of power and change it yourself?

It's something like that, anyway, though I have to admit that my explanation's a vast oversimplification.

>>12608399

>blind guessing

...China? Cuba? South American Banana Republic Of Your Choice?

>>12606548
Which makes it rather funny that baal means lord, and was used as a title for Jehovah in various places.

>>12608419

Haha, nowhere near any of those. I'd rather not say, honestly, because I far prefer to keep talk of politics and governmental structures to the classroom (where I get more than enough of that), but it's in Asia.

Which is why I'm on /tg at this hour. Timezones and all that.

>>12606548
>>12608433

... I have to say the temptation to make this a world where Baal/God/the Lord, whatever He is is the ultimate puller of strings is growing, rather. I thought it'd be a mostly demon focused thing, but with all of this thrown in as well as the bargaining angels, well.

>>12608442
>>12608419
My guess would be Russia, if only for the whole "don't give a fuck" part.

>>12608380
If you want someone to be an Unwitting Member, it's best to make them a Mason. In the Chick world, low level Masons have no idea they really serve Baphomet (Lucifer).

>>12608442
>>12608465
Singapore. Most likely Singapore.

>>12608505
Singapore has significant ethnic and cultural divides, so probably not.

I'mma guess... Taiwan or Good Korea

>>12608703
Oh, wait. He said one-part gov't. Yeah, def. Singapore.

By Baphomet, Horus, and the Moon Goddess, I stop posting and this gets derailed by politics?! I need to put this back on the rails.

OP, is there anything in particular you need? I've been dumping info on you, and I think you have enough for the moment.

>>12608380
When they find out, my understanding of PC logic suggests that at least one of them will try. If you use a NDE, that's the obvious way to get one. Start with innocuous instructions, and over time, bring them more in line with the conspiracy's goals and less with the party's. The character is going to be spinning a web of lies, and once he's thoroughly entangled, you can either keep tugging him towards the conspiracy's goals or have his mysterious patron confront him and reveal that he's part of the conspiracy.

I also like the Mason suggestion; along those lines, if you have a clueless Catholic layperson, see if you can get them going to confession and receiving spiritual guidance... which happens to be mostly temporal.
Chick doesn't explain at what level Catholics start participating in the conspiracy: the average layperson, whom he refers to frequently as "precious", is clearly deluded and not advancing the Pope's goals, but members of the KoC (who are mostly laity on the local level) are sworn to the pope's ends. Now I'm imagining them chasing your party with their silly hats and blunt swords, all drawn in Chick's style. It's pretty amusing. ( Which reminds me, I need to see if I could even join the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.) The average diocesan priest is probably an unwitting or self-deluded participant. Members of religious orders are obviously in on it, at various levels from the average brother, who obeys blindly, on up.

>>12608719
So what's it like not being able to spit in public? That's some crazy shit, yo.

Does anyone have the edit of the man with the mustache in Dungeons talking about a sexy pool party or something like that? I can't seem to find it.

Maybe all this Roleplaying has let the Devil into my soul, causing me to forget.

>>12608731

why would you even WANT to spit in public, gross

>>12608724
>Which reminds me, I need to see if I could even join the Sovereign Military Order of Malta
It depends. You can only become a full-ranking member if you can trace your heritage back to a king, but there are lower levels available to us normal people.

>>12608746
Because of general principle, dammit!

>>12608234
>>12608289
I surely hope you're trolling. You're either incredibly naive or a bald-faced liar.

>>12608337
Wait, what if the demons offered eternal life, but the guy who made the deal has to drain life energy from OTHER PEOPLE?

>I need to see if I could even join the Sovereign Military Order of Malta

I'm pretty certain that there's at least three of those.

>Haven't you been listening? Nobody but you gives a damn about race anymore!

Niggercocks.