they split up the Sisters of Silence because it was way too fucking inefficient, even for the Imperium, to put all their unbelievably useful alpha-psyker-slaying badasses in one unit. They're just too precious of a resource to waste on making into space marines.

I cant think of a reason why they wouldn't be able to. but in a normal marine chapter it wouldn't turn out so great as they would be alienated by their brothers

Blanks are exceptonally rare, but would be identified immediately by the Chapter's Librarians (who check the mental purity of recruits)

Although an -entire chapter- of blanks is a stretch, I could see there being some sort of 'anti-librarian' corps in a chapter, goatees and all

chances are they'd be heavily under the control of the inquisition for use against renegade librarians (like the exorcists)

I don't see why not. I'm actually kind of surprised it hasn't happened before

But how would the chapter recruit? Blanks are rare.

>>14211643

This.

The problem is that blanks are so useful, you can't afford to accidentally kill some via the Space Marinification process.

Additionally, having them attack one place as a squad is pretty stupid, considering that just one of them could do crazy damage as an Assassin or whatever.

>>14211628
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible to turn a Blank into a Space Marine in terms of the actual surgery, training, etc. It would, however, be almost impossible to actually create an entire chapter of them due to the rarity of Blanks, the fact most are snapped up by the Inquisition or Culexus Temple, and that many aspiring Space Marines don't survive the conversion process. A very, very well-funded Inquisitor Lord might be able to pull enough strings to assemble a squad of Blank Space Marines, but it would take a long time and casualties would be absurdly hard to replace.

>>14211659
Mobil chapter like the Blood Ravens and Soul Drinks. Basically live out of ships and just fine people when they find them. Thinking about it now they would be a very small chapter because deaths would be harder to fill.

Call the squad Void Marines

captcha: Chapter Arkson... maybe that

>>14211659
Well obviously they wouldn't be at one home world, so they have to be ship based. Perhaps since Blanks ARE so rare, they keep many of them in cryo. They'd be excellent daemon and Tyranid hunters, seeing how you'd think massive amount of blanks would block the Hive Mind.

Or instead of recruiting blanks their geneseed is mutated to the point where they're all blanks. So they can recruit from normal worlds, but don't have any Librarians. Instead they have Anti-Librarian squad, where a blank that survived the trails and surgery becomes that much stronger.

>>14211741
doesn't work that way. You can't "become" a blank, you have to be born without a soul

for lack of a better term.

The only feasible way I could see it happening is an inquisitor planting recruits for the chapter, though it would undoubtedly be a renegade inquisitor, as blanks are an extremely valuable resource to the inquisition

that, and the implication of planting recruits reminds me of the Alpha legion a little -too- much

>>14211690
>I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible to turn a Blank into a Space Marine in terms of the actual surgery, training, etc.
I can see one glaring, vast, huge, obvious reason- to become a Marine you have to have a significant degree of genetic compatibility with the Primarch whose gene-seed you are accepting, or you reject all the organs and die horribly.
None of the Primarchs were nulls, and nullity is a pretty big deal.

>>14211658
>Although an -entire chapter- of blanks is a stretch, I could see there being some sort of 'anti-librarian' corps in a chapter, goatees and all

Totally read this as "goatses and all"

>>14211716
Chapter Arkson sounds pretty badass, actually. Their Chapter Master would have to be
>Ueslates Ornaghi

>>14211675

>>read as space marination
>imagine recruits being marinated and then popping out of bags as full blown marines.
>my brain is full of fuck

>>14211775
What about the two missing Primarchs? Perhaps the reason they were never found was because they were blanks. So the Emperor never was able to locate them, and their legions were "erased". However it would be a huge waste of resources to throw them away. So perhaps they were mixed in with other Legions.

>>14211840
Go Go captacha created marine chapters
and chapter master is Creli

>>14211923
No. The missing primarchs were both females. The Emperor was a super male in every way, including libido. Only a primarch could actually survive fucking him, so he made a couple. One turned out supernaturally beautiful (like a female Fulgrim), while the other was short and stocky (Emps had a thing for midgets).

Like all the other Primarchs, when they were lost, the Emperor made legions using the geneseed. However, as time went on, the legion of the Beautiful primarch became much like the Word Bearers, in holding the Emperor like a God, but lost their strength and resilience and so were not as dangerous. They eventually lost their status as "Female Marines" do to the deterioration of their geneseed supply, but continued to recruit into their ranks. The other legion was viewed as mutants, due to their short stature. As such, they were excommunicated and exterminated, then expunged from the records.

This is why the Battle Sisters get power armor and there are no more squa-

>>14211995
Sounds bad. I still think that the two missing primarchs were blanks.

So... we got Chapter Master Ueslates Ornaghi of the Adeptus Astartes chapter Arkson. What culture should they be based off of? I'd want to say America, as America doesn't really have a Space Marine chapter. You got Space Romans, Space Vikings...etc. No Space Americans.

>>14212046
>Blanks are incredibly rare
>10% of primarchs were blanks

lolwut?

>>14212046
I dont think American would work to well unless they are native americans

>>14212065
maybe it was just one of them that was a blank and the other one was never found or died in child hood

>>14212046

>American Marines
>Mentally blank

Oh god, I lol'd

You know if you think about it, they've got the Sisters of Silence taking up a shitton of female Blanks, and the Culexuses don't discriminate by gender, so there's a whole pool of male Blanks that the Imperium isn't using.

Might as well make Marines out of them.

>>14212065

>statistics, how do they work

>>14212107
You think 10% is incredibly rare? 10% of humans are left-handed. Now imagine if every south-paw you ever met didn't have a soul.

Then they'd be left-handed AND red-headed. But either way, that's a lot of people without a soul.

>>14211923
In The First Heretic (written by a fa/tg/uy I might add) Lorgar is talking to Magnus, and they talk about the missing primarchs a bit. Lorgar is afraid he's going to become the third, and they say that the two were deliberately erased and that everyone involved took oaths never to speak of them again.

Oh and their legions weren't destroyed, while the primarchs went away, Roboute Guilliman absorbed the actual marines into the Ultramarines. That's one of the main reasons why the Smurfs were so much bigger than all the other legions.

>>14212138
oh, so now lefties have souls too?

who gets them next, gingers? the japanese?

Canonically, around one in a billion humans are blanks. One in a million are psykers.

So by those stats, there are seven blanks on Earth right now.

>>14212237

Following that logic, the imperium is fuckhuge. There's surely at least 1000 of them throughout the galaxy.

>>14212257
Yeah, now good luck finding them. Keep in mind here, it's not like a psyker where you can identify them by "guy who shoots lightning from his eyes". All a blank is from a casual glance is a creepy guy who is socially retarded. Good luck searching through half the underhive of an entire planet through every social reject to find the three or four guys who're blanks and not just aspie fucks.

>>14212281
use actual psykers to find them

>>14212295

How? They have no warp presence. They're blanks. They're called blanks for a reason.

>>14212105
don't forget the sisters of silence have faded to the background in Imperial history for thousands of years, so they might not be so gender specific now, if they still exist at all...

>>14212216
Well then it would be perfect for blank chapter. As an Ultramarine Chapter successor chapter, they were originally from one of the Unknown Primarchs. It basically creates a Psychic Blankness artificially.

>>14212311
they would still make a psyker have the willies also walking down the street and one person isnt there to the psyker. Found one

>>14212281
If you can spare a few sanctioned psykers, it might be possible. They can easily pick the blanks out of a crowd.

I can see the occasional rare marine being a Blank, possibly. But an entire chapter? I doubt it.

What about breading and cloning the existing blanks and pariahs? Would this produce more blanks?

If that was the case you could then have a blank space marine chapter, or even a blank guard chapter...

>>14212311
"That thing you don't see in the Warp? That's Chuck Norr- er, a Blank."

If 40k had /r9k/ and 4chan, everyone would say they think they are blanks, instead of asspie faggots.

>>14212327

Ok, so using that logic, I want you to travel the ENTIRE PLANET, and find the possible single motherfucker that gives you the creeps, and may be a blank.

Aaaaaaaand, go.

>>14212330
Maybe not ALL blanks, but Blood Magpies have enough librarians to fill a company, so it's conceivable a chapter could have a lot of blanks (though blanks ARE much rarer)

>>14212314
The other two Primarchs weren't blanks that we know of. They were destroyed for something that they did, not because of something that they were.

Anyone have some online fluff I could read about blanks?
Thanks

>>14212347
>implying the Magpies didn't steal their psykers

>Guard chapter
>Guard chapter
>Guard chapter


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.... Actually the sad thing is, I bet the Ultramar PDF and guard forces are actually called these.

>>14212311
Well if the gene seed creates an artificial blankness that could help the chapter.

>>14212359
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blank

>>14212337
now that is thinking logically, and we all know the Imperium does not do logic...

>>14212312
They still exist, it's just that all they do now-a-days is man the Black Ships. They're not an active military force anymore.

They made a big deal that only a blank can crew a Black Ship, anyone with a warp presence would be driven insane in minutes. The navigator and astropath have to hide behind shields on top of shields, and even then they still don't last long.

>>14212386
Apex Twins did all right and annihilated the entire crew of their Black Ship (despite the crew being Blanks), but then, they're a pair of insanely powerful Alpha-Plus psykers, so they have an excuse.

>>14212380

Timing out for me

>>14212420
sites down just checked it

>>14212420
Lexicanum is down, a couple days ago they moved their servers so I'm guessing it's a complication of that.

hhmm this make me wonder if the Black Templar's might have some blanks.

Large fleet based chapter that hates psykers....

Though OP I gotta say I am liking the idea of a blank marine, what if the Deathwatch had a squad of blanks or some such?

>>14212420
>>14212430
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blank

Try the wayback machine and see what it turns up

Things to ponder about primarchs being blanks:

1.Blanks are caused by the Pariah gene, which was put into humanity by the Necrons as a way to someday destroy the Warp

2. From "The First Heretic", it seems likely that the Primarchs were grown in the Warp (in Gellar Fields) with the "blessing" and support of the Chaos Gods.

3. There is no way the Chaos Gods would have created Blanks, but they Emperor may have been able to

4. In "A Thousand Sons", Leman Russ is effictively impervious to Magnus' psychic powers, and it is claimed this is due to him being a Primarch

5. When Ferrus Mannus is killed in "Fulgrim", a visible burst of Warp energy is released, implying some measure of the Warp is contained within the Primarchs, which would be hard to imagine with a Blank

Thus, it does seem possible that the missing Primarchs were Blanks

So I like the idea of them breeding the Nulls. Going to create it through the new chapter making rules in Death Watch.

>>14211770

Alpha Legion planting seeds to eventually form an entire chapter of Blanks to better fight Chaos?

I can actually see that happening, after reading Legion. Then it turns out Tzeentch was fucking with the the whole time and that many blanks in one place makes something hilarious happen.

>>14212488
>4. In "A Thousand Sons", Leman Russ is effictively impervious to Magnus' psychic powers, and it is claimed this is due to him being a Primarch
Sorry, but in Prosporo Burns Casper Hawser can speak Fenrisian through psychic shenanigans, and he can do so unimpeded right next to Russ. He even at one point encounters the Sisters of Silence and loses his ability, so there is absolutely no way Russ is a blank.

Magnus's inability to hurt him was probably a result of Russ being absurdly tough and Tzeentch fucking with him at the time.

>>14212789
Reading Legion made me want to make a pre-heresy Alpha Legion army with a mix of all imperial forces

>2. From "The First Heretic", it seems likely that the Primarchs were grown in the Warp (in Gellar Fields) with the "blessing" and support of the Chaos Gods.
>Implying that is canon rather than some daemon making shit up.

>>14212813

Ditto. It also made me want to convert up a squad of Lucifer Blacks to use as veterans or something. NEED MORE SHAKOS.

>>14212844
i was thinking make a SM hq choice have rules similar to Creed and play a force of mixed units

>>14212844
There's more about Lucifer Blacks in the Blood Games short story from Tales of Heresy.

Those are some crazy motherfuckers. The best way I can think of to stat them on the tabletop would be as stormtroopers, but a LB would be a fantastic character to play in Dark Heresy. Probably a modification of an Arbitrator.

>>14212967

Yeah, I'll probably end up running them as ST's. Thinking I'll convert some Vostroyans, since that seems to be the closest to the books description of their outfits.

>my face when somebody saved my Deaths Deaths marine.

also, my home-fries Spess Mahreen chapter has a company where all of the Techmarines and Deathwatch Veterans hang out and do secretive and potentially Tech-Heresy things. I've been brewing up a 'dex for them for funsies, and using a similar concept to Grey Knights except with Technology instead of being psykers - they're overpowered, but expensive in points cost. One crazy-ass thing that would fit in there would be at least one Special Character who's a blank/null. Or a less high-powered squad of Pariah ripoffs who would be a 0-1 choice, and could only be up to 5 dudes in the squad.

>>14213015
I saw them as FBI or Secret Service agents. Vostroyans might work, but you'll have to get rid of the hats. If you can somehow get sunglasses for them that would be fantastic.

>>14213121

I could've sworn they were described as wearing shakos, though I suppose I could be thinking of the other IG dudes uniforms...

>Chapter of Null Marines with a Null Primarch
/tg/, we already had this. Rachnus Rageous and the Desert Fangs?

>>14213190
Well maybe they were and maybe they weren't, I'm not opening the book to check, but you can't deny that a Secret Service esq bodyguard would look absolutely ridiculous in one of those hats.

Ok please excuse my horrible writing.

The chapter was started by an Brother Captain Ueslates Ornaghi from the Ultramarines during an unknown period of time. Having kept his secret from his fellow Ultramarines (how he managed to fool the Librarians is unknown), he was a blank. Although how he more than made up for his apparent lack of politicking by being an efficient and feared warrior.

His warrior skills were put to the ultimate test when he destroyed a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh. His blankness and his skills as Brother Captain made it a one sided fight so goes the legend. His reward was a successor chapter of his own, but had to sever all ties to his beloved chapter due to his lies.

He forged his chapter with less than full strength, and barely even made it as a chapter with only 100 Space Marines. Abandoning the Codex in favor of tactics used for smaller numbers the new Space Marine chapter Akham Brothers were officially formed.

Quickly finding that his geneseed he was given never took to any non-blank the Chapter Master decided to forgo the usual recruiting world and recruit all over the Imperium. In recent years the chapter has began to breed the blanks as serfs and potential brothers.

Due to their uniqueness they're unable to have Psykers. Their loneliness tends to manifest in heat of battle when they use Terror tactics to win. The foremost expert on the Tyranid aliens they've learned to dealt with them by targeting the synapse creatures. They're also superb chaos hunter, as the sorcerers of the enemy can't detect their presence.

They're World Eaters

the collar doesn't do actually anything, it was them all along

Kharn is a blank.

>>14213633
cool now we have a back story lets get some colors up in this bitch

>>14213744
Ok. Here's the colors.

>>14214017

What are you,
12 years old?

That is an eye bleedingly disgusting colour scheme.

>>14214017
yeah no thats horrible

>>14214049
>>14214069
Drunk and colorblind.

>>14214141
no, its seriously a bad color scheme, and whats worse is that you can't even see half of it, as its being obscured by the tabard.

and what is the significance of the color choice? Are they the Red Hands? the Dress Wearing Clowns? Space Marine heraldry has a reason. Blood angels and their successors always go with red, because Sanguinius was too busy being pretty to be interesting. Dark Angels paint their shit 3 different colors based on company. Space wolves have pack markings. Why are these guys arbitrarily fruit cakes in red dresses?

Plus, not only is it not compositionally sound, but it would also be a hellish nightmare to paint.

you thought doing the black on flesh tearers or the red hands on crimson fists was bad? imagine that bullshit on both hands and feet and the backpack vents of every motherfucker in the army. this isn't a color scheme, its a recipe for insanity.

>>14214141
maybe next time try using colors you can see

Ok. Let's see about this.

>>14214543
>Orange primary
>Black details
>Blue Trim

FUCK

Jesus. Okay. You know what? I'm posting a motherfucking color wheel, I don't care if you're colorblind.

SEE THIS THING

COLORS WHICH ARE OPPOSITE EACH OTHER CONTRAST HEAVILY, LIKE RED/GREEN, WHICH YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE, YOU FUCK

PUTTING THEM NEXT TO EACH OTHER IS GARISH, DISTRACTING, AND OFTEN LOOKS UGLY ON MODELS. USING NEUTRAL TONES LIKE BLACK, GREY, AND LIGHT BROWNS TO SOFTEN CONTRAST IS A GOOD IDEA, WHICH IS WHY SO MANY MODELS HAVE BLACK OR A LIGHT GREY AS A TONE SOMEWHERE [ALSO PEOPLE ARE LAZY]. CONTRAST IS GOOD, BUT DIRECT CONTRAST CAN, AS MENTIONED, LOOK GARISH - DIRECTLY OPPOSITE COLORS AREN'T USUALLY A GOOD IDEA, BUT COLORS WITH A BIT OF DISTANCE FROM THAT EXACT OPPOSITE COLOR CAN BE GOOD TO ADD INTEREST TO A SCHEME.

/cruisecontrol

>>14214578
Also, orange is a shitty primary color, generally speaking.

>>14214578
>>14214599
I thought it looked pretty good.
A bit Halloween, but good.

>>14214017

Not to be a dick but, that is actually a color scheme I would expect a color blind person to come up with. I know there are different versions of color blindness and I have a friend who see's green as purple and can't differentiate colors like green and yellow.

>>14214543
I'm okay with the orange and black but the blue looks silly, make it white or also orange.

Also I'd say personally if you go orange and black, don't make the Aquilla crest in the center black. Paint that something metallic, those are supposed to be metallic crests on the armor.

And it is a little halloween.

>>14214578
What are you raging over, there's only a tiny bit of blue.

>>14213633
>please excuse my horrible writing?

Why? Horrible writing fits in fine in 40k.

I just realised why I never collected space marines. For one, the heraldry thing is a bitch, so I'd have to just say my guys are from one of the lost chapters or something gay like that. Secondarily, its really hard to make space marines look good and not bland or gaudy.

For example...

>>14214747
forgot picture, derp.

rolled 96 = 96

Chaos is awesome in part because horribly garish colorschemes are a good thing.

>>14212257
You're forgetting something. Necrons CAN detect blanks, and any they find will be converted into a Pariah.

>>14211628
they wouldn't be more useful at fighting Nids as any other chapters. Blanks don't have an effect on nids.
Also using blanks to counter the shadow in the warp is like trying too stop a house fire buy shooting it with plasma guns.

They'd be a great poor mans Grey knights or Withhunters force though.

>>14215931
Well they rely on the Hivemind which is a giant psychic presence. So I figure that they'd be adapt at hunting Tyranids for the simple reason they're all blanks. It would at least create enough interfere when the Null Marines gather that it would affect the Hive Mind or at least the recipients of the Hive Mind. As theorized in one the Esienhorn books that Blanks tend to affect the brain's electrical currents, which causes forgetfulness and dislike towards the Blank.

Now that I've read up on 'Nids a bit more it would seem they're afraid of Necrons. Perhaps it has to do with the fact they're all psychically neutral or the Pariahs that are psychically negative.

>>14214578
The Blue U is a place holder. It reminds me that A.) it clashes so find a new symbol, B.) Find something that'd fit the motif.

For the color scheme, I figured they're suppose to be using terror tactics. Like going after the command posts, orbital bombardment, weapons that leave behind gruesome sights. So the Halloween (my favorite holiday) coloring scheme is to help identify that they don't (and can't afford) to use normal Codex maneuvers.

What symbol should the herald be? I was thinking an pumpkin, would that be too cliched?

Depending on how canon Nemesis was, cloning Pariahs was somethin that Clade Culexus did.

Ok apparently there's two types of "Untouchables" or is it only one type? According to Lexicanum there's Pariahs which can be caused by genetic mutation, and there's Blanks. However the two seem to be the same thing yet different somehow.

If this is true then it would be entirely possible to create Pariah space marines. It states the same genes that cause Psyker mutation could be turned to make Pariahs. So if say Blood Ravens which somehow turn up more Psykers than normal, which probably has something to do with the gene seed. So instead of an entire chapter of Pariahs they could form a separate company. Like the Librarians in Blood Ravens.

With that in mind, I was thinking of not making them ship base. However a planet which celebrates Halloween 24/7.

Ok here's what I was thinking.

Ueslates Ornaghi was a Brother Captain amongst the Emperor's finest Space Marines, The Ultramarines. Granted a successor chapter at an unknown time, but legends state he single handily slew a Daemon Prince. He was given a planet amongst the outlaying reaches of the Ultamar Systems. Here the world was primitive and strange. It was classified as an Agriworld but eventually shifts into a Death World.

The only stable crop grown is the Pumpkin. Due to it's orbit and multiple moons, it rarely experiences true night for long periods of time. However once every 10 years for a period of 31 Terran Months the moons blot out the sun.

At night ravenous hordes of creatures that come out and feast on the animals and people. So the feral people of the land developed a superstition that wearing costumes made out of the hides of the creatures in a mockery of the creatures and other creatures like them that come out in the "All Hallow's Night" will protect them.

The fortress monastery is set up in the highest mountain ridge. Once every "All Hallow's Night" is when the Terror Marines recruit. The selection is pretty simple, the aspirants must reach to the Fortress Monastery with a pumpkin in hand by any means necessary. Once they reach the monastery they're forced to fight and kill one another till the Adeptus Astartes commands no more.

After the genetic testing and what not is done, they're implanted with the geneseed. Those whom have the psyker gene but isn't activated are turned into Pariahs (Untouchables).

The Pariah Marines are organized into their own company and are loaned to other other companies and squads as needed deemed by Chapter Master. Utilizing Terror tactics of the natives instead of Codex attack and defenses they've ostracized themselves from their brethren Ultramarines. However gained the respect of the Ravenguard.

Remember that Blanks and Pariahs are different. I'm not sure what's rarer, but Jurgen is a Blank. Skeevy and unimaginative, with poor personal habits, and he just negates warp-based powers within a certain radius.

Pariahs are actually soulless, evoke terror or disgust from those that encounter them, and can weaponize their aura into an attack.

>>14221375
What's the difference then?

>>14221314

>>14221375
How much of Jurgen's social retardation is from blank-dom and how much is because he didn't get to socialize properly because people feel icky about blanks?

>>14224103
What came first, the chicken or the egg?

It's hard to say, really.

>>14224153
Nnno. It's not hard to say if you believe in evolution through mutation.
The egg came first, the embryo mutated and hatched out. This was the first chicken.
Finding that second chicken was its biggest challenge ...