But, yeah. Napoleonic is VERY doable, and Victorian is fine as long as you do the early Victorian years--there's currently no rules for percussion cap firearms.

Reposting from old thread:
New at this, prefer to be light infantry, should I go polearms, Cut&Thrust or Mass weapons?

Also, I couldn't find an explanation for the [blade type] in the Flower of Battle. What does it mean, Fech/tg/uys?

New scans of the first two chapters up at http://www.mediafire.com/?ecad4qfd6n729eu

>>16052623
Polearms are pretty good, though for learning the system swords might be better.

The blade type is kinda...odd, really. In some cases it's flat-out WRONG (Schiavona are NOT single-edged swords). I just ignore it.

>>16052634
Very much appreciated, but I'm going to be waiting for the fully tied-in scan.

>>16052623

I'd suggest sword and shield, with perhaps a sidesword or broadsword and a small shield. Highland style.

Some period/context might help our advice.

>>16052623
A Cut and Thrust sword will probably prove most educational for a beginner. I mean the actual cut & thrust style found in the Flower of Battle, which is 6s across the board and like +1 puncturing damage.

An all around great weapon, Mid range, one handed, and has almost all the maneuvers at good cost.

>>16052744
Basic Cut and Thrust swords are better than a lot of their variations, really.

>>16052918
My guess is that most of the modifications are there to give it Long Range at the loss of versatility. The Schiavonna sticks out to me in that regard.

>>16052744
>>16052657
>>16052640

I am pretty good at learning new systems and usually pick up pretty fast, so it doesn't really matter how educational it is, I think I'll manage. I just don't want to make a decision I'll regret later, though I have the feeling that I can't ruin my character with the wrong choice of weapon at this point.

Currently I think the C&T sword might fit my skirmisher guy the best, though I am kind of opposed to the idea of wielding 2 weapons. Is the arming glove worth it?

And I only now realized that "2E" means double-edged, I am an idiot.

>>16052954
Arming Glove is good, and Armored Sleeves are actually really awesome too. Getting a vambrace on your off-hand with no shield might trick your enemy into thinking that you don't have a parrying device when in fact you do.

>>16052954
They give a decent armor on the hand if you're not wearing anything heavier, they give you a free ST bludgeoning punch, and they can parry attacks at TN 7 if they're low die (4 or less), but you risk a bit of damage getting through if you're not careful. They're best paired with blades like the basic C&T sword that ALREADY have excellent defense TNs. For others, a main gauche or a buckler are better accompaniments.

>>16052986
>>16052970
Alright, I'll roll C&T sword with arming sleeve and the C&T proficiency from the core (Anon mentioned a C&T proficiency in FoB, but I couldn't find it?)

Thanks, everyone.

>>16052999
The proficiency is in the original book, but it gets some cool new tricks in FoB. Cut & Thrust gets all da sickhouse maneuvers.

I'm sad I missed last night's fight. Gizka is a bloody monster. A monster with 3 strength.

>>16053011
Oh, I found it. Thanks.

>>16053044
It was educational. Having a high combat pool is definitely the best investment in the game amongst swordsmen. As we saw in Cesare vs Rickshaw, once you get into armored territory you start needing a lot of strength more than you need a huge pool.

>>16053044
Galt accurately described her as Archibald Cunningham with tits.

>>16053115
And, observably, less overconfidence. At no point did she play around with the guy. Though I guess slavery takes some of the mickey out of you.

>>16053160
Indeed, though a few trick moves of that sort were suggested in that thread IIRC.

Did anyone else notice that you could get a fine leather jack and leggings to be fine at 5~10x cost for AV 4 (Maille)? Or Cuir boulli at AV 5 (Banded Maille)?

>>16053237
It occurs to me that a lot of that fight went the way it did because we established early on that the Spanish guy was chivalrous and good spirited, whereas Gizka was violent and pragmatic.

If we had operated under the assumption that one was chivalrous and the other was overconfident, the fight would've been less hilariously one sided.

>>16053314
Quite. And if you're of a higher social class, that's not a very big hit to your wallet, either. For a gritty system, TROS gives players bucketloads of cash starting out.

A -0.5cp malus from armor rounds to a full 1cp malus, doesn't it?

>>16053439
I think so. The only advantage is that two items of -0.5 still only give you a final mod of -1, not -2.

>>16053439
Yep. You don't really need maille sleeves or leggings, as far as I've found. Leather with plate tassets and vambraces will suffice.

Right now I'm using:
Fine Leather Doublet (AV4)
Heavy Plate Cuirass (AV6)
Fine Leather Leggings (AV4)
Heavy Plate Tassets (AV6)
Cuir Boulli Boots (AV3)
Plate Vambraces (AV5)
Arming Gloves (AV3)
Banded Maille Coif with Ventail (AV5)

>>16053314
>>16053377
>>16053491
Uh, guys? Leather armor can't actually be Fine, unless the Seneschal allows things like dragon leather and other mystical shit. Cuir Bouilli IS basically the Fine leather armor.

While we are at armor, how does it stack? I'm getting a coif and a bascinet, and apparently the coif covers the head too.

>>16053658
You use the highest AV only, but if you're using the modifiers for cuts, thrusts, and bashes you use the best modifier in each category among each piece of armor on that location.

>>16053658
>>16053675
This. Plus you'd use the coif's armor against neck and shoulder shots and the pot helm's armor against shots to the head, but that's probably stating the obvious.

we doing any more fightan?
I'd like to see a bow vs crossbow fight one day

>>16053491
To my knowledge this is pretty much the correct way to armor yourself for 0 CP/0 Move.

You could mix it up with a heavy plate gorget and pot helm for better armor on the shoulders but nothing on the face. Probably not worth it if you took careful and can force facestabs into the aventail.

Also, make sure your guy is actually allowed to own heavy plate armor. That is pretty important.

I'd like to see a pistol duel.

>>16053726
Quite, but again, according to page 120 of TFOB you cannot actually have Fine leather armor, as the only real way to improve leather is to make it Cuir Bouilli.

>>16053596
Oh dammit all. Back to the drawing board. Why we're not allowed to simply reinforce the leather with steel splints defies me

>>16053951
I think that'd be banded leather.

>>16054073
Or just, well, a breastplate, as IIRC they usually had a piece of leather as backing.

I just saw the protosword statlines. I...I want to make an Aztec Jaguar warrior now.

>>16054073
Not in tFoB or Companion. There's only Cuir boulli at most.

The cuirass would be just steel plate.

New discovery: If you have a leather jack and attach all the accessories, by RAW you would have -0.5CP & -0.5 Move. Add all the accessories to the leather leggings and you have -1 CP and -1 Move, less than a full suit of plate and equivalent protection.

>>16054411
At that point, I'd personally rule that you're actually wearing a full plate suit and apply the appropriate penalty, but yeah, it's kinda funny how that works.

Does this game have any provisions for horse archers?

>>16055431
I think it details missile weapons from horseback in the mounted fighting section of the Flower of Battle.

>>16055895
Sweet. Mongols FTFW.

A question for those more well versed in the arts of magic than I.

Would it be possible for me to use Movement 3 to fling a crossbow bolt at lightspeed towards an enemy?

[T) 1 R) 1 V) 1 D) 0 L) 3 - 2] = CTN 4

>>16056543
I doubt it'd be lightspeed, but there's no good way to determine the effective strength of such an attack. The revised sorcery rules that Galt dropped off might help.

>>16056543
Someone posted a spell here that was something like "Final Argument of Kings," inflicted Casting Success x3 of pain that lasted for hours.

If that bullshit is possible, then I'll bet you can shoot arrows fast with the force vagary.

>>16056727
Actually, it can. I just want to know what the effective damage of 5.84190866 e15 J is.

>>16056753
What's the CTN for that spell?

>>16057007
Wow, that's completely outrageous.

>>16057476
Something...incredibly weirded out.

>>16052556
This thread is still going? Excellent...

...have a landschneckt fighting a skeleton in response.

>>16057007
“The Final Argument of Elves” CTN 6
Level 2 Spell, Cantrip (Conquer 2)
Range: Close Proximity (2)
Target: Human-sized target (0)
Duration: 15 minutes per CS (2)
The Target gains Pain equal to Force (CS x3.) Usually fastcast, and accompanied by a stern "Fuck you." This pain lasts for a period of time equal to 15 minutes per casting success of the spell.

Found it. The notation is strange, what the hell is a cantrip?

>>16057943
I don't think that's a tRoS spell, it's a Spell of One but it's called a level 2 spell and a cantrip. The CTN should be 9 or so, R) 2 is LoS.

>>16057969
spells of One/Three/Many are called Cantrips/Castings/Rituals in the Revised Sorcery pdf (got the link from a precedent thread, it's on /rs/).
also, I thought that spells with a duration required Mana.

>>16058035
They do. Must've been someone's first attempt. Causing shock is cheaper anyway, and works just as well as a battle-cantrip.

>>16058085
Ho there Galt. How goes the day? Is the arena open for business?

>>16058152
Today was a good day. And of course, the arena is always open. I'll even try to implement my new, improved understanding of the Exchange system. (In retrospect, it seems so obvious.)

Any suggestions?

>>16058163
Aztek Jaguar Warrior vs Yari Ashigaru

>>16058163
Yesterday Gizka kicked Zorro's ass so hard that Basil Rathbone felt it in hell. We need more rapier fighting!

>>16058182
I think this could be done. Protosword vs... Partisan? Yari have those big parrying lugs, I think that's the best analogy. But what would their armor look like?

>>16058200
I think Rathbone played the villain in the Zorro movie he was in, not Zorro himself.

>>16058163
I'd love to see two knights in full, tourney grade foot harness go at it with poleaxes, grappling and stabby dagger-onna-floor goodness.

>>16058207
Jaguar warrior had no armor worth mentioning, as far as I know, but probably crazy enough to go without.

Quick research shows that Ashigaru wore some sort of shitty leather armor.

can we explore the sub-systems a bit?
you've shown us the grapple, but there are still winding & binding, and magic (that looks seriously unbalanced, both for combat use and buffing).

>>16058255
A, er, dirty secret, I'm actually so intimidated by W&B that I've never learned it.

>>16058255
And we haven't even touched ranged combat!

When was the Sulla episode, did I miss it? Pending?

>>16058263
It's just a maneuver what happens is
1) Weapon contact (Success by MoS 2 by either), initiate bind.
2) New exchange begins
3) Pay 2CP, 1 thrust by initiator to X through XIII zones.
4) Defender declares defense and spends CP on said defense.
5a) Attacker success -> Full MoS on damage, not mitigated by defence.
5b) Defender success -> Defender takes initiative and attacks.
6) New exchange.

>>16058272
I'm not even sure how we'd go about ranged combat. In general, if two archers or crossbowmen or whatever end up head to head, whoever gets their weapon loaded first just kills the shit out of the other one. This is especially true with crossbows.
Guns are much the same thing, there's just more of a waiting period.

>>16058312
It's pending. I don't know why I've been holding it off, I guess I was waiting for the guy who had been pushing for Broman Battle to show up again.

>>16058263
I don't really get it too (you can initiate the bind from a failed, by 2, parry, and get initiative next exchange? outrageous!), that's why I was asking...
maybe magic? if that's too out of balance, ranged combat? swashbucklers using guns and rapiers (can you even mix weapons like that)?
or hammering on the (new?) exchange system doesn't sound bad at all, of course.

>>16058340
Oh, guns and rapiers is much easier. Basically you treat the pistol as a semi-melee weapon that you can make one attack at a ridiculous ATN with. Problem being drawing and cocking it while not getting killed by the other guy.

The only time I can remember using one in such a combination was after getting disarmed by a counter, I had to partial evade with most of my dice for two rounds trying to pull the damn thing out and shoot the guy with it. Jerk still avoided it, and I had to run away.

I'm increasingly certain that I've never even rolled average on an ATN 5 attack. It's always a cornucopia of 1s 2s and 3s.

>>16058329
2 vs 2 one ranged and one melee each

Hmm. This Winding & Binding thing is actually rather clear once you get passed how it starts, and in light of the Exchange System as I now understand it. I'm going to have to start using this.

Well, let me jump back to Jaguar Warrior vs Ashigaru first, which would be pretty easy to make work, and would be over fairly quickly, given that both are poorly armored and have really brutal weapons.

If we do this, and then a... Let's say a match with two swashbucklers with pistols, would this satisfy all involved? We'll touch on all bases I think.

(Also, to those whom it concerns, somewhere along the line, we WILL see two fully harnessed men duke it out with polehammers, axes and greatswords. You have my promise on that one. I'm actually astonished we haven't done that one already.)

>>16058401
will we get a Battle of the Binds, something like spadona vs dopplehammer?
or something to show the superiority of the binding weapons, sword vs non-sword.
those poor undefended faces!

Could we try Miyamoto Musashi vs. Joachim Meyer later on?

>>16058451
Meyer, Meyer, was that the fencer whose life sucked really hard for no reason? I think I remember him. Yeah, we can do that sometime.

For now, I think the silence has it. Ashigaru vs Jaguar Warrior (Jesus we really are on Deadliest Warrior level now) followed by Pistols & Rapiers at dawn!

Now working on our first set of contestants. Will be done in minutes.

>>16058451
Do we need to? Meyer was supremely skilled, but Musashi made everyone look like an utter joke.

I can't wait for the whole Sulla showdown.

Warriors falling into time warps is a dangerous and surprisingly common thing in these threads. All good, as well - it's like Sliders, except hilariously violent.

We need a character portraying John Rhys-Davies at some point.

Date Hikiji
ST 5 WP 3 Reflex 6
AG 6 Wit 6 Knockout 3
TO 4 MA 4 Knockdown 6
EN 6 Soc 4 Aim 5
HT 3 Per 4 Move 9
Proficiencies: Polearm 6
Equipment: Partisan, Hard-Leather breastplate, Kettle Helmet (AV 5 upper head, AV 3 torso)
CP: 12

Tezcacoatl
ST 7 WP 5 Reflex: 6
AG 6 Wit 6 Knockout: 5
TO 5 MA 3 Knockdown: 6
EN 6 Soc 2 Aim 5
HT 4 Per 4 Move: 9
Proficiencies: Sword & Shield 7
Equipment: Macahuitil, Round Heater Shield, Padded Shirt
CP: 13

Party Time! Detailing weapons in a moment. Though at this point I suspect everyone knows every damn thing in the world about these weapons, I'm still going to post the weapon pics on the off chance that anyone new is watching.

>>16058492
Yesss!

>>16058472
Yes, yes we do. Show off the winding & binding and have the classic katana vs. longsword (although by 1570 they'd probably be using bastard swords)

>>16058486
(Someday damn soon sir. Damn soon.)

But for now, the Partisan! EL range, a DTN of 7, and thrusting and cutting numbers of 8.
Kinda rough. But the Partisan endures thanks to being the only weapon period with EL range and a defensive number that good. Understandably partisans sort of live, eat and breathe defensive maneuvers. Counters, Disarms, and Expulsions are usually the order of the day.

Hikiji himself is a bit on the low end stat-wise, but he's got a great weapon and better armor, albeit neither of them have much coverage. If he gets into close range with this guy... He dies. That's pretty much a given.

Now, Tezcacoatl is in a bad place. I'll admit it. He's got what might actually be the single worst weapon in the world to fight this Jap with.
A Macahuitle. (I'm trying to spell this from memory, cut me some slack here.)
Now this thing is short range. That's bad. It's does Cut damage base-that's worse. And its strike ATN is 6, which is actually pretty good.

The real killer here is the Short Range. From Short to Extremely Long is 4 steps. That means any attacks this boy launches are going to have a 4 die activation cost until he closes the range.
4 bloody dice! His shield will help, his superior stats will help, but it's still going to require balls of steel to make this one work. Good luck Tezca.

My money is on Tezca.

>>16058522
>>16058504
Since you're rather better than me at doing the math, Mr Galt, could you explain on the whiteboard whether our Jaguar-pelt clad friend will do better:
a) ducking and weaving, or
b) closing under cover of his shield?

And so, we get to the meat of it.

Date Hikiji, enterprising Ashigaru, drinks too much one night. Much too much. Unknowingly, he angers great spirits in his drunken ramblings, and in his slumber he is faced with Tzjezzkle, the Eater of Skin, whose seventy mouths ask him seventy impossible riddles at once. Upon failing to answer, Hikiji is flung to a far off, cursed land, to fall into the sea just off the coast of South America.

Upon clambering onto the beach and vomiting up his dinner from last night, he finds himself faced with a curious, confused looking man with a strange club clad in a spotted animal's pelt. Having had enough weirdness, Hikiji hefts his weapon, and determines to kill this barbarian for the audacity of being here to see him humiliated!

The barbarian obviously gets the message, and weapons are hefted!

Let the battle begin! What should Hikiji throw?

>>16058546
Well he's got a serious range advantage so he's pretty safe, RED!!

>>16058541
Oh. Yes, hold on, let me give you some numbers here first.

Duck and Weave has a DTN of 9, which is really harsh.
Shielding with a heater? That has a DTN of 5.

The difference is that Duck and Weave will get him into his range, whereas shielding will just keep him alive for another round. His best bet is to be cautious until he can get a hit in, at which point all bets are immediately off.

>>16058541
Right, Tez will likely go blue, as will Hikiji. Then there will be 10 minutes of waiting for the other guy to attack.
>>16058541
Our Aztec friend will likely be hiding behind a shield until the other guy does something. Duck and weave has a TN of 9, massively disadvantaging him. He'd be better off blocking open and striking.

>>16058562
Yeah, duck and weave is a harsh mistress, what do you think of the optional DnW DTN 8 Partial Evasion DT 6 rule?

>>16058558
Sensible enough.
Now Tezca is no fool. That is a VERY long spear he's looking at there.
No matter what, using his shield for most of this should be his priority, but he can do that either Red or Blue. Blue would be less hassle, since the initiative doesn't do much of anything for him.

Let's say he goes Blue, since that's the sensible thing to do, and might let us go for a full defense if Hikiji devotes too many dice to block effectively with a simultaneous attack.

yo galt! do a ranged combat later?
pic related
is you

>>16058568
I've actually felt lately that Partial Evasion is already too good. DTN 7 is better than most weapons, to the point that parrying simply becomes a liability in a lot of cases, and removes the disadvantages of many weapons. Of course the extra cost to buy the initiative sets it back some.

Duck and Weave... Well let's just say that that maneuver and I have a very love/hate relationship. I can't even look at the Progressive School without feeling ill anymore.

>>16058578
That... Is one of the most confusing depictions of me I've ever seen.
But yes, we've got a pistol fight already scheduled. It's on like Donkey Kong yo.

>>16058571
Seems fair. Hikiji should stab for 10. That leaves us with 3 to screw with him on the next exchange, and unless this guy has an abormally large combat pool, he'll probably just block with everything.

>>16058571
but going red Tezca could go for the Beat in a red/white situation, and still have the Simultaneous Block/Strike in case of a double red.
>instant math for the worst case! 12 dice, ATN 8 = 3,6 successes, average; 6 dice, DTN 5 = 3.6 successes average, and he gets a free 3-dice attack!

Alright, Tez declares 8 CP block at DTN 5.

>>16058613
It'd be a good plan if the spearman wasn't the one who was initiating the fight. His going red is likely, and with the reach advantage, will almost certainly win the reflex test for going first.
Combined with the damnable simultaneous block/strike rules in which one must go 2/1 favoring attack or defense, this suddenly becomes a poor investment.

Fair enough!
10 dice at 8 for Hikiji.
8 dice at 5 for Tezcacoatl.

rolled 5, 5, 9, 3, 4, 3, 8, 9, 1, 1 = 48

>>16058627
This is going to be the shortest match in living memory if Tez rolls poorly.

rolled 7, 6, 6, 4, 3, 8, 9, 6 = 49

>>16058636
Not much worry about that.

rolled 5, 9, 9, 9, 8, 10, 9, 8 = 67

>>16058627
Tezcacoatl

>>16058627
Ah, forgive me, I should specify where Tezca is attacking, as that ought to make some difference.
He would be thrusting for... Let us say the face, so as not to miss and hit the shield. Repeated attacks to the same area would not be wise, so he should hope this one counts!

>>16058639
oh wow, do NOT let me roll attack dice lol

Oof. Spoke too soon. Tezca handily blocks the attack, and using fewer dice. That gives him the initiative, I believe.

That means that Tezca is the aggressor of Exchange 2.

Tezca, having spent 8 dice of his 13, has 5 remaining.
Hikiji, having spent 10 of his 12 dice, has 2 remaining.

What is to be done?

>>16058646
Mother of God.

>>16058649
We could spend 4, hit him with 1, but I don't like them odds.
Maybe a Stop Short? To try and burn through the pecker's combat pool for next round?

rolled 7, 1, 10, 2, 2 = 22

Full CP Bind and strike with a draw cut to zone VI.

we're still at Hikiji's range.
That means, if I'm getting things right, attacks are at 1 die, beats are at 3, and there is no way to pay for any other fancy manouver.
Whatever Tezca does, next exchange the japanese can use a full evasion, and in case of a good parry we'd still be at polearm range...
beat for 3?

>>16058658
Never mind too late for exchange 1

5CP Draw cut to Zone VI.

>>16058649
I like the short stop idea. Feint a rush to put him off his next attack, equalizing things a little for the next round.

>>16058669
I don't think we CAN draw cut, that puts him at hand range at an activation cost of 5, right?

>>16058664
I'm an idiot, bind & strike has a free activation as well. with range cost, we could bind & strike for 1, TN5

>>16058675
Oh, right, need to make a damaging strike.

Bind and strike 1CP at TN5 it is.

Sorry, deleted that post after noticing Stop Short.

I believe that that is the best call here. Spend all 5 dice to make Hikiji's target number 12, and then roll 5 against 4 for instant shock damage. Pretty good odds of at least negating any attack by Hikiji this exchange, and quite possibly causing damage the next.

>>16058695
Ah, the people have spoken.
Alright! 1 at 5.

But what should Hikiji do? He could try 2 at 7 to defend, or ignore the attack and go 2 at 8 to try and thrust at his enemy, though woe betide him should that hit land.

Unrelated to the current combat, could somebody explain the merits of "cut" over thrust to me? Like a fifth of the description is missing in the scan.

>>16058714
You can sacrifice one die before rolling on a cut to do an instant +1 damage if you actually hit.
...Yeah, cuts aren't really that great, but they often do more damage than thrusts, and virtually all of the good armor penetrating weapons are cutting or bashing.

>>16058707
Screw it. If we can thrust here it's game over for the jackass. I say 2 on a thrust to the Aztec, aim for the chest. Date has to roll after Tezca though, right?

>>16058720
Huh, I thought the best AP weapon was a bastard sword with it's ATN5 ST+6 halfswording.

>>16058707
I think he should attack too. This is no fight won by caution.

>>16058696
stop short still pays range activation, it counts as an attack. the combat sim agrees with this interpretation.

>>16058732
Halberd ends up doing almost that much, but from VL range and with automatic shock damage. It's a contextual thing really.

>>16058729
>I say 2 on a thrust to the Aztec, aim for the DICK.
fixed.

>>16058739
I... Cannot speak against the sim I guess. Though I would never have guessed as such myself, there's a lot of stuff I wouldn't have guessed.

Anyway, I think we have our decision! The Aztec gets 1 at 7, and then Hikiji gets 2 at 8.

Tezcacoatl first!

>>16058764
...So fixed. What the hell was I thinking?

rolled 8, 4 = 12

center mass thrust for 2

rolled 1 = 1

>>16058739
Half range penalties, read the rulebook.
>>16058769
Does range penalty immediately kick in after a strike, or after an exchange?

>>16058769
...Wait, I'm just fucking wrong here.

It's 1 at 5 because of that bind and strike thing.

rolled 7, 10 = 17

>>16058769

>>16058786
I have no idea. It'd make sense that rushing into someone's range would disrupt their attack, however.

>>16058786
That's beat not stop short.

>>16058777
1 success!
>5+1-5-1
Well, good try anyway. You get initiative though.

rolled 1 = 1

Uh oh.
Ok, it looks like Tezca rolled a 1 (damn it.)
Hikiji's followup attack got one success. This means that he's just done a strength 7 to the... Groinish area. Now he might hit padded armor, which would pretty much render this attack void, but if he hits the groin-groin, Tezca might be in some serious trouble.

>>16058815
Well, I thought he was going for a center mass thrust, but that's irrelevant, the results are exactly the same.
>Zilch.

>>16058815
no shock, no pain.
The Jaguar Warrior stands defiant... still at EL range.

Alright, a hip is definitely covered by a padded shirt, no? So let's give Tezca the benefit of the doubt here and give him TO 5+1 for armor.
Hikiji still does a strength 7, which means a level 1 wound!

BL: 0
Shock: 4-WP (0)
Pain: 4-WP (0)
"Small cut, some blood."

Well damn. That's the least effective stab for the groin I've ever seen.

>>16058828
This is why you need major accurate...

>>16058828
Oh yeah, I saw someone mention that the appropriate move here is groinshotting, and it's a much easier file for me to find than the chest-thrusting one.
Also, thrusting for the chest can give the guy with the shield extra armor there, rendering it an even worse idea.

Alright!

NEW ROUND
I think Hikiji has the initiative, as Tezcacoatl's attack whizzed over the mark, and his hit. Am I wrong here?

One way or another, it's back to the top, CP 12 for Hikiji, CP 13 for Tezca.

Fight, brave peasant! You're screwed anyway, being as far from home as you are, so you might as well show courage to the end.

To be honest, I always wind up sympathizing for the lowborn when it comes to matches between drafted peasantry versus professional warriors like now.

>>16058846
Don't you have the appendices? They're easily searchable.

>>16058858
Back to square one... can you feint with a partisan? trollface.jpg

>>16058815
Haha, looking at this chart, girly bits are apparently better for a fighter in this game.

Hikiji knows he's got the advantage, and he now knows the full extend of this prick's combat pool. I'd suggest putting 6 on a thrust, and keeping some in reserve to buy the initiative back if the barbarian snatches it.

rolled 4, 5, 4, 9, 5, 3, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 2 = 56

>>16058858
crazy head stab for 12

>>16058880
I doubt the equated in what happens when you punch a girl in the lower part of her gut.
It's barely common knowledge know.

What range is the Aztec at? if he's still at EL then I vote we stab him again.

>>16058875
Yes, but you need to start with a cut unless you're using a rapier proficiency weapon. (wtf?)

Thankfully the Partisan is almost as good of a cutting weapon as a thrusting one. A cut to the neck turned into a thrust for the face could work just fine here.

>>16058875
Yes.
>Awesomeface.png

>>16058888
Yarp. 'E got poked, so it's EL again.

>>16058905
Oh my God yes. Give the Aztec hope. Cut with 1, watch as he foolishly blocks with 1, and then feint 5 more into a thrust for the face!

I like the feint Idea actually, cut at him then turn to stab into the face. and I say we leave 4 dice for defense, just in case.

>>16058885
Slow down now. We're trying to build good announcement-discipline here, which means we must know what both attacker and defender are doing before we roll.

Do not worry. Your time will come, my dog of war.

>>16058919
I vote for this, go for maximum trolling (and a quick end to this DTN 5 vs. -4 to attack thing...)

rolled 3, 9, 2, 4, 9, 6, 5, 3, 8, 4, 1, 10 = 64

>>16058931
I've been up 22h now I'm aloud to be a little crazy. so just ignore>>16058885 please

Alright! I like it.

The conservative version: Starting at 2 with the cut, and then moving up to 4 with an expenditure of 4, leaving 5 dice for defense.

Is this what you want? Technically you can just declare the cut first, and then feint when the Aztec declares his defense dice.

>>16058936
Thirded.

>>16058953
and those dice. forgot to remove them

>>16058953
I know what it is like to be exhausted. No worries then.

>>16058957
sounds on the level, now we need to work out the Aztec's respose.

>>16058957
Er... 6 dice for defense. Damn I'm bad at this.
Ok let's try that again. Cut for 2, add 3, leaves 4. There we go.

Okay, Tez just almost got his nuts sliced off, he's wary now. He's going to do a block open and strike at 2 dice activation and 5 dice for a total of 7 dice.

>>16058973
Seeing a cut for 2? The logical thing to do is block with 2 and strike with 4. After the range cost, this leaves 3 dice for the next exchange too, and it can't really fail.

what would Tez need to do to dodge the attack and grab the spear haft?

>>16058997
looks to me like either a grapple defense.
or, similar but with the aid of the sword, a parry into a bind.

>>16058982
Oh SNAP. That could really work! Defend, and salvage some of the CP wasted accounting for margin of error.

>>16058997
That could be a Disarm, I think. As a defensive maneuver it's got a pretty hard number, but it could potentially kill Hikiji next round.

It'd cost 3 to activate (!) and would have to be done as a Parry, but if successful Hikiji would end up making a knockdown check to avoid losing his weapon.

Unless the Aztec is a total moron, he knows that this prick is planning on feinting. A cut with 2? Yeah sure.

So the smart thing to do here is to beat him at his own game. Block with 6, strike with 3. There's nothing the Ashigaru can do to sidestep this one, he's now got to either KILL Hikiji, or deal with 3 dice to his kneecap. He can afford to reserve nothing.

>>16059043
This is also legal, and the most straightforward.

Ok, as I see it here are our options.

-Block Open & Strike for 5 (cost 2)

-Simultaneous Block/Strike 6/3

-Disarm (madness)

-Drop weapons and grapple (insane.)

What shall it be?

>>16059043
Sorry got the names confused lol, he's got to KILL Tezca, or 3 dice to kneecap etcetc

-Simultaneous Block/Strike 6/3

Come on people, don't make me choose, it's too much pressure man!

>>16059071
Bind and strike at arms, not legs. Less miss chance and a good chance at disarming.

>>16059122
Oh, there we go.

Alright! Seeing this, should Hikiji still feint, or should he pray that he survives this round so that he can kill the Aztec with what's left of his pool next Exchange? It's not likely that the Aztec will fail to block his attack no matter what he does.

>>16059122
This, and Hikiji put in all his dice on the feint, all of them. Let's see some blood.

>>16059141
Fuuuuck. There's nothing we can do. Cutting at 2, what the fuck
Ok, just let it go. Maybe he'll miss? He's only got 3 dice at... At 6.

>>16059154
Actually, with ST 7 and 3 at 6, chances are he'll have a 97% chance to hit.

Feinting also has you fucked. Oh well.

can you pump more dice into the cut? hope you take his head off?

>>16059149
Hikiji doesn't actually have to devote those extra dice, since the feint comes after the defender declares.
So Hikiji can keep his remaining dice, for what it's worth. Maybe he'll (heh) survive the attack and get to use them on the next Exchange to regain range or something?

So, 2 at 8 for Hikiji's cut
Vs 6 at 5 for Tezca's defense.

Then, 3 at 6 for Tezca's strike.

rolled 5, 3 = 8

HIKIJI!

>>16059179
FUCK.

>>16059171
You could dump everything into a feint and hope you hit him before he gets you. He's less statistically likely to kill you, but by about 5%.

rolled 7, 1, 8, 3, 8, 6 = 33

6 at 5 for Tezca's defense.

>>16059182
All of the dice?
Fuck it. All of the dice. What'd that be, 2+5... 7.

Redacted! 7 at 8 for Hikiji!

rolled 5, 5, 7 = 17

Go forth my dice! Gain me a cut to the arms!

rolled 8, 7, 3, 1, 8, 5, 7 = 39

7 at 8 for Hikiji!

No no, De-Redacted, screw it! It's better to have dice left over in case Hikiji survives. You never know people!

Let Tezca make his roll instead. Hikiji obviously fails, so now it's 3 at 6.

rolled 2, 9, 5 = 16

>>16059204
3 at 6.

No matter how you slice it (heh), Hik just got a slash to the arms at level 2 without doing anything.

Agh, so indicisive, I don't know why I do that. Christ alive.

Alright, let's go with the attack at 2. Hikiji cannot possibly expect to overpower 6 at 5 with 7 at 8. But if he saves his pool, that's ten dice for him to try and absorb the shock and pain of the wound he's about to suck up there.
>>16059198


Now look here, Tezca hit him with only 1! That's only a strength 7. That's... Well. That's level 3 pretty much anywhere he hits. If, as suggested, it is to the arms, then it sucks pretty bad, but it is survivable. And he might still have a combat pool for the next exchange, in which Tezca has nothing!

rolled 4 = 4

>>16059235
Let's do it.

rolled 8, 10, 1 = 19

>>16059255
>elbow lvl 3
that's bad

>>16059255
automatically drop weapon? that aint good...

>>16059255
Disarmed and without a combat pool. Goodbye Hik.

>>16059255
Alright!
BL: 3
Shock: 6
Pain: 6-WP (3)

"Torn ligament or similar wound; instantly drop items in that hand"

You know what that means people. Hikiji's short a polearm. However, he actually still has... 1 die left. It could actually be worse.

Now, on his coming turn, Hikiji has only one remaining die. If this wound had been slightly less awful, he might've been able to do something cool with this remaining pool.

This foreigner must be taken alive, to be sacrificed at the temple! Tezca should step on his partisan, and communicate to him through sign language that he ought to surrender.

>>16059277
does he have a backup weapon?

>>16059277
Don't forget the range penalty against Short range!

>>16059290
That's a good point. Yes, he's got proficiency six, which is pretty high for a conscript. Maybe he's been in a battle, and secured a Wakizashi from somewhere.
We'll say that he's got Prof 5 in Kenjutsu due to a commoner school.

Posting Wakizashi clip in a second...

>Wakizashi
>Commoner school.
ಠ_ಠ

>>16059313
Quick Draw Wakizashi, cut to, somewhere...

Bam! And he could even use his 1 die to Quickdraw it! However, his Short weapon would now be outranged by 1 by the Aztec's!

The tables may have turned on Hikiji! What should he do?

>>16059336
1h proto is short, right?

who has initiative? does it swithc because of Tez's successful attack or is this Exchange not over yet?

Wait. Don't attack. Don't quickdraw yet. Put hands up, pretend to be surrendering. THEN quickdraw and attack him when his guard is down, he'll never have seen a quickdraw before, protoswords don't have sheathes!

>>16059348
Right, right. Damn I need to stop getting confused like that.

So it's actually... The same length.

>>16059355
This is Exchange 2. Tez has the initiative, but no dice. Hikiji has one die remaining, and we're trying to figure out what to do with it.

>>16059329
Overhead cut. Quick draw has no activation cost.
>>16059348
Yes.

>>16059366
Cancel that. CROTCH CUT TIME!

>>16059366
I think it does have a cost actually, or at least, it does for Kenjutsu. Which is a bit strange, contextually.

>>16059378
is that more likely to actually hit the crotch than a crotch stab? cuz we missed that one already...

Screw it. 1 at 5 to wherever the hell it is we're hitting. Cut to the face, cut to the groin, I love 'em all.

>>16059387
Everywhere the groin cut can possibly hit hurts like a bastard. Inner leg is HIDEOUS.

rolled 6 = 6

>>16059394
groin

rolled 5 = 5

>>16059394

1 at 5

FUCK. We can't actually hurt this guy! His TO is equal to Hikiji's strength, and the Wakizashi isn't a +1 cutting weapon!

>>16059403
Hit.

>>16059410
I... Shit. That's true.

>>16059419
does he have armor everywhere down there? we hit at 6 with one success right?

Right, so. A hit that does no damage. That still means Hikiji won! And that means that he has the initiative on this coming turn.

NEW ROUND

Hikiji has Pain 3, which means his CP is 9.
Tezcacoatl is at 13 as always, but he has never seen a bizarre weapon like this before. What the hell is going on, and will he react wisely to it?

Hikiji is the aggressor. We are at Short range, which is both of the weapons.

>>16059424
Ah, the first success doesn't do extra damage, it's every success after the first that does. Hence the Margin business.

>>16059430
ATN 5 weapon bitches. I say we put 8 to a draw cut on this corn eating cocksucker's neck. Show him why God gave us steel. If he blocks, he'd better devote a lot, because we attack at the same number as his shield defends!

rolled 2 = 2

>>16059430
not much Hikiji can do with his reach advantage gone. I say all in attack somewhere.

>>16059446
Interesting. In-Game, I don't think there's any reason for Tezcacoatl to know that this thing has ATN 5. He might assume that it has a similar attack number to his own weapon, and undercommit.
The fact that he was hit by it and it did nothing just a second ago might help.

>>16059436
but we got 1 more than his 0 defense, i thought.

>>16059460
True. Going 6/3 with a block and then a cut to the neck would work. Might hit the chest, but frankly that'd still wreck Hik's shit right now. I say we go with that, give Hikiji the benefit of the meta.

>>16059467
That's the first die after blocks, too. It's always after the first excess successes that start stacking on damage. If we've messed this up earlier in this thread, it's because... We're all dumb. Of course, everyone except me has an excuse for that, being relatively new to this. Me, less so...

Er, right, alright.

8 at 5 for Hikiji.
6 at 5 for a suddenly very endangered Tezca.

This could be it guys, because Hikiji is draw-cutting he suffered a minor penalty but is doing bonus damage, and might move us to Hand range.

Let's do it!

I saw that. But I forgive you, because that was seriously a terrible roll.

Don't apologize, just don't do it again, you devil.

rolled 10 = 10

8 at 5 for Hikiji

>>16059509
I'm just not going to touch the roller. Every damn time man, every damn time!

rolled 8, 2, 5, 10, 10, 3, 2 = 40

>>16059513
bloody capcha 7more dice

>>16059513
Well, that's a good start!

rolled 2, 5, 2, 4, 2, 1 = 16

>>16059519
SNAP. That's 5! Let's see if I can roll sufficiently poorly for Tezca.

>>16059480
rulebook says winner successes - loser successes = margin of success, we've been doing it right, 6 - 5 = 1 margin, 1 - 0 = 1 margin. you have a 1 margin minimum on successful attacks. but it also says that kenjutsu users need to pay 1 to quickdraw, so whatever, lets keep going

>>16059523
>>16059519

Five to One.
After the +1 for Draw-Cutting, this would be a strength... 8, to wherever it hits.

rolled 3 = 3

>>16059529
How confusing. Do you suppose that means it's impossible not to deal +1 damage with an attack against an enemy who can't defend?
...I feel really stupid having said that. Uh, right! For location!

>>16059531
I think you mean 4.

Fighto, Hikiji, fighto~!

>>16059531
Bullshit. Use the first roll, no favorites. The first roll only had one success out of 8 die.

Ah wait! Knowing what we know now, it'd actually be Strength 9. That's some comfort, as we hit Tezca's padded vest.
That's a level 3 to the cross-chest, yo.

BL: 3
Shock: 8 (Hvala Bogu)
Pain: 7-WP (2)

"Winded, maybe with a broken rib"
Roll knockdown! Hot damn, Hikiji might've just pulled this off!

>>16059552
>hvala bogu
Galt, where are you from exactly.

>>16059550
I didn't actually see the roll. Is there a way of recovering it with refreshing tricks?

>>16059558
I think you can see it on easymodo. Only had one 8, others were 4 or less.

>>16059550
This. There was only one success. Dirty cheating nip!

>>16059550
Well, if you go back and printscreen it, then we'd be inclined to believe you. Just go back a few pages.

>>16059563
It's not on easymodo.

>>16059557
Liberia!

If in fact it was one success, than I'm afraid that Hikiji has been parried. With... Well. With dire consequences.

>>16059577
You lying balkan bastard

rolled 9, 1, 8, 5, 10, 5, 5 = 43

>>16059563
easymodo has no such crappy rolls you must was imagined them

>>16059590
anon delivers

>>16059584
I'm a lot of things, and two of those.

>>16059576
It takes them forever to get deleted posts online, I'll admit.

>>16059590
>>16059600
Auh oh.
Whelp, it was a good attempt. Almost slid it past, deleter. Almost. But justice has every man's number.

MEANING

Hikiji's attack, so close to success, fizzles off. Which means that now it is time for Tezca's Attack. 3 at 6.

Hikiji's gonna bite it, but the cheating jap almost stole it, gotta give him that.
>Captcha: Scottish Weeroo

>>16059590
And I would've gotten away with it too.

rolled 4, 4, 10 = 18

3 at 6

rolled 6, 3, 2 = 11

Here's Tezcacoatl's. Damn him.

rolled 9, 7, 4 = 20

>>16059615

rolled 2 = 2

>>16059625
Same chart as Hikiji's. You never know, maybe he'll hit the chest.
They don't call it Luck of the Japanese for nothiohwait.

rolled 2, 7, 5 = 14

>>16059625
if this kills Hikiji can we go back and see how the >>16059552 would have turned out?

> Want to play Riddle of Steel
> In middle of Pathfinder campaign with group
> no other friends that play P&Ps.
> Don't normally IRC, don't wanna hunt one either.
> What DO?

On the up side, my Pathfinder group is using the alt Wounds & Vigor rules; so that's pretty cool.

Yeoch. So what we now know is that that's actually a margin of 1... Meaning that Tezca just did 8 damage to the upper arm and shoulder. That's a level 4 wound.

BL: 8
Shock: 8
Pain: 10-WP (7)
"Broken Bones, serious blood."

Hikiji is down for the count people. He's now had his main arm broken in two places.

>>16059654
>Hikiji is down for the count people. He's now had his main arm broken in two places.

Now that is what I call justice.

>>16059643
That's easy enough.
Tezca would've probably passed the knockdown roll, that's just a given. Difficulty 8 isn't that bad-however, with 10 shock he'd have ended up 4 in the negatives, which would've potentially knocked him down again.

Meaning that next round, he'd either be prone, or more likely be at 9 to Tezca's 9, and at Hand range, with Tezca having a much more killy weapon. This could have gone Hikiji's way easily.

But alas, it was not to be. He is likely to be bound, and dragged off to Mexico for good times with heart surgery!

Ok, so we learned not to feint anyone who can sim block/strike, that's good to know.

>>16059679
A painful lesson, well learned.

>>16059678
GOOD END
sadly it's not BEST END as nobody got dickstabbed
oh well, next time

Whoo! A refreshing bout, I'd say. Much more meaty than some of our swifter, cleaner faire.

So, what's next?

>>16059705
Rapiers/Pistols at dawn?

>>16059705
something that can and will end in dickstabs
the roman?

>>16059714
nothing dickstabs like a rapier, plus we can go for the dickshot too!

>>16059705
How about two knights raping each other with warhammers?

>>16059712
>>16059714
>>16059723
>>16059724
Ooh, all are so tempting.

I feel that I must draw some sort of middleground, so as not to leave anyone disappointed. I can facilitate just this. Pistols, rapiers, groinshots, Rome, warhammers...

I have it. Prepare yourselves for a crash course in the Movement/Terrain rules!

This is how John Galt plays Assassin's Creed!

>>16059712
I'm seconding this.

>>16059740
Oh god yes, this is the best idea.

>>16059740
In a new thread, of course, because we're rapidly on the track to Autosage here.

>>16059740
Oh god, yes!

>>16059740
I came

Give me a second to type up the OP, and I'll link it here. Probably unnecessarily because it'll be really obvious and on the frontpage.

>>16059808
Here you go gents.

Archived!