And the other to roll 5 (Agility) d10s with a TN of 7 (Camouflage skill).

rolled 6, 4, 4, 8 = 22

>>16214961

4 at nine

rolled 2, 7, 8, 8 = 25

5 at 7 for ze hiding

rolled 1, 1, 1, 3, 7 = 13

Camouflage rollan, 5@7.
the Riddle must go on.

>>16215061
bare success.
What now?

>>16215061
As the first to get the number of dice right, your roll goes. And so with one success more, Guy sees a figure crouched in the bushes just off the roadway, with a glint of chainmail underneath a cloak woven in earthy colours which was making the figure hard to spot. Thus the ambusher (henceforth the Kern) doesn't entirely have the element of surprise as he stands to throw a dart.

What do?

>>16215106
now we play the waiting game.
if he's being even minimally descriptive, this shit takes time.

he throws a dart. a tiny, puny, little dart.
let's take the greatsword out, and show him that we have something to compensate for.
do we have some greatsword prof?

>>16215109
leap down on the side away from him.
I think our horse should take one for the team (us)
If we could get our Sword and Shield ready while we're at that'd be great, but I'll settle for the greatsword.

>>16215152
5 in Greatsword.

Dart does mean this javelin, with some vanes on the back. ST+2 damage can be mean.

>>16215179

Btw - a word on combat pools. Decide if you want to have your coif up or not (I'd suggest yes, but it may add another -1 in conjunction with the shield). Full chain means -1 to move, -1 Combat Pool for AV4 to most locations.

Here's the heater, currently flapping about on its guige (backstrap)

a coif would be uncomfortable to wear on a supposedly paceful journey...
if we want to take the safe and sane path, we should put the coif on, and ready the arming sword and shield, our specialities.

>>16215218
We weren't expecting to fight, so I'd guess we let it down.

We jump down, turning our shielded back on the thrower.

>>16215179
Ok, Guy has decided to get off his pony. Roll against your riding of 7 with Agility - a whopping 6 dice. We'll decide drawing sword and grabbing shield when he's on the ground.

rolled 10, 4, 2, 5, 4, 5 = 30

>>16215261
rolling

>>16215185
probably best if we dodge that shit, maybe get our onehanded sword out and ride the bastard down

OK, we're off the horse, with the horse between him and us. I say we get our sword and shield ready.

>>16215273
Alrighty then. Guy rather clumsily leaps off the left side on his horse, away from the attacker. He holds onto the reins with his right hand to stop it bolting while awkwardly fumbling his shield around with his left and thrusting it through the straps.

The kern thinks he still has a sight on our brave knight around the pony, and so will hold off casting his javelin (he's got it readied back now - proficiency 4 dice in the pool, but he's aiming) until he's got a clear shot around that valuable piece of horseflesh.

Guy's probably made a bad move by sacrificing the mounted advantage here :P It's his turn to do something. The kern's perhaps 20 to thirty feet away, with some bushes up to belt height between him and the roadway. Dammit, in any well run fief, they'd be cut back to stop this sort of attack!

>>16215413
let's surprise the kid:
adjust the shield, the coif if necessary... mount back on, sword at the ready and charge!

>>16215430
Alrighty, Guy spends a moment, fumbling the coif over his head and pulling the mitten-like ends of his hauberk arms over his hands, all while holding the shield awkwardly between him and the horse.

As he reaches up to vault into the saddle, his head is exposed and pilum iacta est, as his old teacher would say.

That's 10 dice (Aim 6 plus proficiency 4) with an ATN of 6 for the Kern, aimed at the head.

Guy's reaction - he's aware enough (!) to defend himself somehow. I'm guessing dodge or block!

>>16215519
Which is the easiest ?

>>16215519
if there is enough space, spur the horse and evade!
we might get some ground covered that way.
if by 'evade' you mean 'jump down from horsey', no, not again.

>>16215577
Well, evading in the saddle would mean spending a terrain check to get there, then rolling full evasion at TN4 with the rest of the pool.

Putting your shield in the way would be TN7, but there's a cover bonus from your rouncey. Did you name that horse, by the way?

Pretty tired after work, but concievably I could spend an hour or two this evening scanning Book 7: The World of Weyrth if people like. The consensus seemed to be to skip Book 6: Sorcery.

Thank you very much for running this thread, StorminNorman.

>tratsel 1391
Ah yes, the Skirmish at Tratsel. An interesting example of a conflict taking place despite the Truce of Leulinghem.

The horse is called Robert.

>>16215690
Robert it is.

Btw, combat pool for Guy is 8.

>>16215654
ok, maybe try blocking with the shield, I know how that can be effective from last time.

>>16214961
Cower behind shield, ride the bastard down, Mount&Blade style.

Also, we're right in Morgan Bible times. Me gusta.

>>16215766
Cool, roll me NINE dice (Aim + Proficiency - 2 for weather, short range) at ATN 6 for the attack. Then block with up to eight dice (reflex score see p.10 of the Flower of Battle) v DTN 7. I'm taking this to be a red-white declaration, obviously.

>>16215690
I don't think book 7 is worth your time, but the appedices and the indexes would be appreciated.

rolled 7, 10, 7, 2, 2, 10, 8, 10, 9 = 65

@6 to kebab from afar.

rolled 2, 4, 1, 8, 2, 8, 5, 2 = 32

@7 to block with the shield. Looks like we're boned, lads.

There is no plate armor or two handed swords in 1250.

>>16215880
No? There's a fair bit of equipment and weapons in there. But I'm quite happy to skip it and move on to Book 8: The Seneschal or the Appendices.

>>16215900
sssshhhh, I was letting them have fun...

>got lost on a fairly decent road
>fairly decent road
>Ireland

Somewhere, a Roman turns in his grave.

>>16215905
I'd like 7, but if you don't have time then it's ok

>>16215913
Sup Galt?

>>16215914
It'll be done when it's done. I'm quite happy to scan 7, it just means that 8 will arrive later!

I need to get something to nom, then I'll get on it.

>>16215913
Whassup Galt, we're fighting Irishmen as superior Norman chivalric masterrace.

>>16215905
well, that's true. the tables, the religion and philosophy part... those are good.
I was actually thinking about the parts from pp146 to pp185, the descriptions of the nations.
So bad (IMHO) that it spreads out to the whole book.

>>16215913
John!

and fairly decent roads are certainly in short supply in Europe, especially the bits with no Roman influence

rolled 9 = 9

>>16215900
Armoured surcoats were indeed around then, although it's often hard to tell what's under the surcoat. Two handed swords are more controversial - Oakeshotte dated the XIIIa greatsword as early as the 12th century.

Regardless, that's not a nice hit. roll a d6....

rolled 4 = 4

>>16215960
I am retarded. Sorry, lads.

>>16215900 There is no plate armor or two handed swords in 1250.

You'll find early coat-of-plates, and certainly a few two handed war swords: Oakeshott type XIIIas were popular as far back as the 12th century.

Pic is of a very large XIIIa, larger than any historical example I know of, but they were big swords nonetheless.

>>16215955
Autobahn!

rolled 3 = 3

>>16215965
>>16215965
Head, rolling for face or coif

>>16215940
have my babies scannon!

>>16215927
I just flew over the atlantic, gosh are my arms tired.

Loving what you guys are doing with the place, I'm just here to watch a bit.

>>16215960
isn't it a successful block because we're blocking a missile weapon and therefore only need 1 success? and isn't it a reflex roll?

FoB page 10

>>16215985
faceplanted on an arrow

>>16215985
So it's in the face.

4 Successes, plus 6 for strength, minus 5 toughness, equals a level UNGODLY 5 wound to the face.

The javelin goes in one eye socket, and out the back of poor Guy's coif. Another bloody pool on the soil of Ireland.

This was fun to run, guys, but now GALT IS HERE.

Capcha: 5Greet Chilline
Damn straight I greet Galt, and chillin in his presence.

>>16215996
sorry ignore this, slow moving missile uses Melee DTN, so I assume it's the same rules as melee combat.

rolled 1, 1 = 2

>>16215996
Fuck, I'm incompetent. I thought CP would be nicer. And I forgot the missile targeting system in tFoB.

>>16216024
>>16216048
Which still makes a head hit. So much for the horse cover. Let's call it GAME OVER.

>>16216024
Wait what? It's over!? To the first Irishman? Is there no justice in this world?

...Wow. There really isn't, I'm looking back over all of our fights, and there's very little justice being done.
Ah well.

>>16216057
so...continuing on sulla?

>>16216065
I... Well good lord, I suppose we could. I hadn't thought about it.

>>16216035 sorry ignore this, slow moving missile uses Melee DTN, so I assume it's the same rules as melee combat.

I was under the impression that it used Melee DTN for the attacker, but standard ranged rules for the defender.

>>16216101

Oh hells yes!

>>16216111

The Melee TN should be used for all melee combat attacks as well as slow moving missiles (thrown spears and Javelins and the like). The Missile TN is used against fast moving missiles, such as arrows and sling stones

>>16216101
roaring crowd.mp3

>>16216124
I'm lost on the 'needs only 1 success' part, can't find it - could you help me?

>>16216126
Alright, alright I'll do it. But I'm going to get a soup first so that I don't have to leave in the middle to eat. I'll be back.

>>16216124
Is there something I don't understand, or does that mean that slow-moving missiles are more difficult to block than fast-moving ones ?

>>16216143
I think that might be an error on my part, I've been treating it as a skill check instead of a combat check, which I don't think is correct.

>>16216124
>>16216124
You are correct, it seems. I'd also have suggested using the optional passive armour rule, and putting your shield over your head, but I'm still shaking off the rust.

>>16216177
no the Melee DTN is generally lower than the Missile DTN

>>16216212 no the Melee DTN is generally lower than the Missile DTN

Yes, but you will probably need much more than one success.

also, we should do sum magic
http://youtu[DOT]be/tTiSak8r9P8

Pic related.
Getting on with scanning.

>>16216419
go scannon go!

well, as there's been very little activity here for the past while, so I'll run another little something. although can someone with a better functional knowledge of the rules clarify, blocking arrows outside of combat, is it one success or MoS to succeed??

but yeah, anyone got a preference for a PC?
I have a guy set up to hit back.

>>16216419

Come on dude, get with the program!

>>16216552
I dont have any stats but I say we get a arab warrior in here.
all...shamshir, bow, mace and re-inforced mail...horse with lamellar armour...poet, warrior and merchant! the classic arab hero!

>>16216582
I'll try and get the shitty nation guide, all forty-odd pages of it, scanned tonight. I might even begin cleaning it up, but I've got an early start tomorrow.

Currently on p. 156,

>>16216662
we're rooting for ya!
also: Im a crap drawfag. I will totally give you a reward for your maganiniliciousness (what?) tell me what you want and I shall craft it!

>>16216662
Actually, what is this called? Crecy? I could try to download it or something. Is it a comic, or what?

>>16216590
sounds good, we can bump up the stats for a Cavalryman, give him more than one proficiency, could work, what do you think?

>>16216552
Thorkell ?

Is there rules for dual-wielding viking axes ?

>>16216702
oh, i was just trhowing an idea out there...someone else should call the shots... im just lurking.... then again I should learn the system... yeah ok go for it

>>16216700
yeah, download here. It's pretty fucking cool.
https://rs112tl3.rapidshare.com/#!download|112l3|133003845|Warren_Ellis_-_Crecy.cbr|44827|R~E199394F
0196D8A1B9DE021A1C90AEC0|0|0

>>16216700
>>16216730
It's a comic, and it's amusing. Don't take it too seriously though, that's still fiction, and was made to sell to people that buy comics.

Hmm, how about we re-enact the Reconquista by throwing our Arab against a Spaniard? Armed with rapier and parrying dagger, of course!

>>16216700
Crecy, a comic by the insane yet brilliant British writer 'Warren Ellis'. I found my yarr-ed copy in a torrented collection of his, but my hard copy was only a couple of monies on amazon. I think it's been lent to someone though.

>>16216695
I would like a picture of two men in c. 1500 Nuremburg plate (owl faced helms prefered) half-swording. I'll try and get some reference pictures, but a guest just showed up and I have to be host-y.

>>16216730
BITCHIN'. Now I hev an sexy comic to read. Thanks.

>>16216753
bring it on, you infidel dog

Alright, I'm back! What's the story boys, what're we doing? I'll run the second half of Sulla's gauntlet-if that is the will of the crowd-but I am just as willing to participate in whatever's going on now. (It's fun to see the arena as part of the crowd every once in a while, no?)

Lay it on me. Spread it out. Put your guns on. Chika Chika Onyx. (wait what)

>>16216756
>implying i dont allready have shit tonnes of people in armour on my pc
all centuries.
ALL OF THEM!
not too much half swording tho... but I think I can find that.

also, Ill be using my scanner. so the quality wont be this shit<

Side view of an owl-faced helm.

>>16216791
I'm all for Sullan, but it's totally up to you, man.

And again.

>>16216791
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
NO!
WE WANT SULLA!
SU-LLA
SU-LLA
OLÉ OLÉ OLÉ

>>16216791
Sulla !

>>16216813
ah yes this pic I got allready.
so it shall be!

screw my plan it can wait for a few days, lets have some Sulla!

>>16216662
>>16216419

>14th century Englishman
>talks like he's from a 21st century council estate

>>16216871
I imagine he has tennants voice.
yeah...doesnt fit at all...but its funny

The black armour.
Wiktenauer isn't loading for me, so I might need to upload some half-swording references for you. Specifically:
Über die Fechtkunst und den Ringkampf (On the Art of Fencing and Wrestling, MS 963), 1538, Hans Czynner, MS 963, Universitätsbibliothek Karl-Franzens, Graz, Austria
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/%C3%9Cber_die_Fechtkunst_und_den_Ringkampf_%28MS_963%29

Jörg Wilhalm Fechtbuchs CGM 3712, Cod.I.6.2°.3 and Cod. I.6.4°.5

1410 - Codex Wallerstein (Vom Baumans Fechtbuch)

Talhoffer, although a lot show armoured fighting by guys not wearing armour, so I'd recommend trying Cod.I.6.2°.1

>>16216915
found me sum on google. pic is coming up

Erp, working for me now, if very slowly. Try:
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Hans_Talhoffer/Knightly_Dueling
and
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_Wilhalm
and
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Gladiatoria_group
and
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Nuremberg_Group

Generally speaking under 'armoured fencing'. Now, back to the scanning...

Very well! Then it is settled. Legionary Sulla is back in action gentlemen. How many posts do we have in here... I think we can keep going on this one instead of making a new thread.
Now where were we is the question. We had just seen the unfortunate groinstabbing of the Bulgarian, and were about to fight the... Genoese! That was it.

He's finally back, and it's about time too.
The remover of Gauls, the appeaser of Caesar, the Size 14 Caligae up Vericintorix' ass: Legionary Sulla!

Legionary Sulla
ST 6 WP 6 Reflex 6
AG 6 Wit 6 Knockout 5
TO 5 MA 4 Knockdown 6
EN 7 Soc 3 Aim 5
HT 7 Per 5 Move 9 (8)
Proficiencies: Sword & Shield 12
Equipment: Short-Sleeved Mail Shirt(AV 4), Pot Helm (AV 5, open faced), Scuttum(-.5 CP, -1 Move), Gladius, 2 Pilum Javelins, Pugio Dagger, Cestus (right hand) (AV 4, bonus punch damage.)
CP: 18 (17 in armor w/ shield)

>>16217038
YEAH. Grab that javelin the other one dropped in the pause before the genoese appears.

SULA!
SUULLAA!
SULLLLLAAA!
SUUUUUUUULLLLLLLAAAAAA!
SUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAA!

>>16217072 YEAH. Grab that javelin the other one dropped in the pause before the genoese appears.

Aye, by now Sulla has probably realized new enemies are going to keep appearing, and he can get an easy kill if he throws the saxon's javelin at the next target before he can get his bearings.

>>16217072
Fair enough! Snatching up a javelin thrown by the late Saxon, Sulla now has a pretty nifty throwing weapon.

There is a BZZT, and a flash of green light. Turning, a fellow in ridiculous looking clothing, with a long and slender sword at his side, and some sort of tiny ballista in his hands, is giving Sulla what must pass for a 100 yard stare where he's from.

>>16217123

Throw our javelin! let's take this Frenchie down!

>>16217123
Huh. There's no cover around, is there ? then raise our shield, run and throw.

Eat missile, strange ballista man!

I blame part of the shittyness on the fact that i should be in bed right now... and that I barely spent ...what? 15 minutes on it?
urgh...
I'll do better next time

Put everything into one throw and pray to the Gods.

>>16217145
Hm, just checked, 48 yards max. Let's run fast.
How long does it take to prepare a crossbow ?

Alright, here's how it's looking.

The Genoese fellow seems to have been warped out of a battle, in which he was reasonably prepared to shoot. Like Sulla, he was dropped into this fucked up situation.

Unlike Sulla, he was unfortunate enough to be facing Sulla in round 1.

So, he has a loaded Heavy Crossbow. Sulla has a Javelin. Both can fire this turn with a Reflex test (to skip one phase in their shooting procedure, in both cases "Raise/Shoulder".) which we'll assume both succeed.

However, Sulla has a minor disadvantage, which is that the Genoese has a weapon that moves a lot faster than his. Thankfully he's got a shield.

So, we'll treat this as though it's the first exchange, after which they'll actually start melee fightin'.

Sulla can block and throw at the same time, or he can trust in typical Genoese inaccuracy and just throw the javelin as hard as possible.

Block and throw, I reckon.

>typical Genoese inaccuracy
>ATN 5

Haha. No. Block his shot and advance until we reach 8 yards, then throw.

>>16217206
I read that as "blow and throw"
when in rome, indeed...

>>16217193
Block and throw, defensively.

If we die, we can't fight, right ? So let's be careful.

The drawfaggotry is great! There had damned well be a next time.

Scanning p. 177 right now. The bullshit seems to go on until p. 200 or so, damn it. I'll try and finish that tonight, although I need to leave for work in... nine hours.

>>16217226
next time we must do this earlier. but yeah...we definetively need to draw more armour and fightan

>>16217223
We're at 100 yards, you said ? Then just block and run forward.

Sounds like a plan, drawfag. I'm probably going to be working or wenching all this week and the beginning of next though. Hopefully I'll be around Sunday evening... perhaps...

you know what more we need?
ye olde mediæval reaction pics

>>16217184
100 yards is a figurative term, it's probably more like fifty. Let me call up the Javelin image...

I'd say it's reasonable for Sulla to hop forward a few feet, block and throw at the same time.

Of course, in this case it might behoove him to aim first, since just throwing would only use his Proficiency dice at the scarily high difficulty of max range.

I made some reaction pics... they dont require as much brains as drawing.
copy paste
copy paste
hehehehe

Im also gonna be posting some olden ones I made...
cus i can

>>16217318

>>16217318
this one is old as tits

>>16217286

Still waiting on reload time for crossbow.

I'd like to sprint up to 24 yards before throwing.

>>16217286

OK, lets wait for him to fire while blocking, then close on him and throw. Heavy crossbows take way, way too long to reload for him to get a second bolt off, so we should be pretty safe.

last one
my favourite.
made it for a KoDP thread...good times

>>16217286
how many dice would we have to work with and at what?
although we can probably afford to aim, this guy's gonna shoot us either way but we can aim and throw in less time than he can load, so yeah, I vote aim.

How about some Hans Sadhoffer?

Advance under cover until he shoots. Then pop up, aim, and unleash pilum into his dick.

...why are we putting him in a sack?

>>16217331
6 seconds. Sulla can cover 24 yards in 3-6 seconds.

>>16217331
Oh good lord. It's days. That crossbow isn't going to be fired again after the first time.

Alright, this is fair. Sulla rushes in to close the distance a bit.

The Genoese man bides his time, taking aim. Best not to risk too much with a long shot, no?

Now Sulla is at 25 yard range. He's close enough to throw and then charge, probably drawing his weapon as he goes. Odds are at that distance the enemy will draw his weapons as well, but Sulla's not exactly afraid of this guy's pig-sticker.

So, Sulla's Javelin proficiency, let's say at -2 because he's a Legionary, would be 10. Because this isn't quite combat yet, let's say that Sulla can use his Reflex to try and block the Genoese counterattack with his shield.

Sulla gets 10 dice at 9 to throw his javelin
Sulla gets 6 dice at 6 to block the Genoese bolt.

The Genoese Warrior gets 16 dice at 6 (!!!) to try and hit Sulla
However, the Genoese should only get half reflex, 4 dice at 7 to try and avoid Sulla's attack, since his weapon is kind of hard to use while dodging.

Let's do it!

rolled 9, 8, 9, 6, 7, 6, 10, 6, 10, 10 = 81

>>16217381
javelin throw, like the best velite...
10 at 9

rolled 2, 1, 9, 3, 10, 1, 3, 6, 6, 3 = 44

>>16217381
This isn't so bad actually. Sulla's shield covers like 80% of the lit locations the crossbowman can hit, which will make our total armor wherever he ends up hitting like 15.

Anyway Sulla's throw

I imagine them jumping in opposite directions while shooting... ridicolous

>>16217391
>10 dice at 9
>5 successes

rolled 6, 2, 1, 10, 5, 4, 6, 5, 2, 8, 4, 8, 7, 5, 1, 6 = 80

>>16217381
ugh... I hope I botch those rolls like I do when I roll for the MC.

>>16217396
Think of it more like this.

Sulla is rushing forward, and flings his javelin while keeping the shield up, and trying to predict where the Genoese fellow is going to shoot.

The Genoese fellow in turn tries to lean out of the way, maybe taking a step or two, while still focusing on his shooting.

It all makes a good amount of sense, though Sulla rolled incredibly well, I'm seeing 5 successes there.

rolled 8, 6, 8, 10 = 32

Now for dodging.

rolled 6, 2, 1, 9, 9, 9 = 36

Sulla's block, let's go Sulla let's go!

>>16217438

Today I learnt that Sulla's household shrine is to the dice gods.

rolled 4, 6 = 10

Sulla's Javelin: 5 hit
Genoese Dodge: 3 Success
Sulla hits with a margin of 2!
(Strength 8 hit)

The Crossbow Bolt:
Sulla: 4 block
Genoese: 7 Hit
The Genoese fellow hits with a margin of 3!
(Strength 11 hit)

Now for the random location. Sulla could get very lucky here and take the shot on his shield. The Genoese fellow... Well. There's not much luck for him, now is there?

For Sulla first.

>>16217481
Not the same person... And I rolled average for the attack. It just seems that the dice gods play with players.

>>16217481
we aren't the same, but we roll as one.
we are the bones of the legion.
we are sulla.

or at least we roll for him.

rolled 1 = 1

>>16217489
Upper legs. Oh yikes. 1 is left, 2 is right... Sulla might just get winged here.

>>16217489
Seems strange... we roll to block with our shield, and when we fail, we still roll again to see if it hit the shield ?

rolled 1 = 1

>>16217519
Alright. Sulla's chain armor does not extend to the upper legs. However, his shield does cover the left leg, conferring AV 4 to it.

Combined with his TO of 5 (5+4=9) vs Str 11, this means he suffers a level 2 puncturing wound to the leg.

This isn't so bad, for a heavy crossbow hit.

>>16217539
He'll patch himself up with the skin of his own descendant

cus thats how Sulla rolls!

>>16217534
Yeah. It's to represent how hard it is to hit someone with a missile when they're behind a shield.

Remember, however, that when you just plain hit the shield, it provides a pretty minimal amount of armor. What you're trying to do with the defensive roll is catch the arrow on the most advantageous part of the shield, at a good angle, instead of just letting it hit straight on.

Some of the more muscular crossbows from ye olden dayes can shoot through an inch of wood like it's not even there, I've seen it done. In fact, it is popular folklore that many partisans in Bosnia during the Great Wars came out of the woods with crossbows, and that they had no trouble shooting through helmets. This is probably bullshit of course.

rolled 2, 7, 7, 10, 9, 3, 3, 4 = 45

Rolling knockdown for sulla.
6+2d10, Tn 2*3, right ?

>>16217539
...Oh. Fuck. The foot isn't covered, even by the largest kind of shield.

>Level 5
BL: 3
Shock: 7
Pain: 7-WP (1)
"As previous (Hit Ankle Bones), with instant knockdown"

Sulla catches the crossbow bolt on the edge of his shield, but it richochets down, and impales his foot. He stumbles and falls like a man tripping over his own sandle-laces, having been moving forward rather quickly at the time.

"Jupiter's Cock, that hurts!"

Combined with his broken nose, this does give Sulla BL 4, though Pain is still at 1.

>>16217623
Huh ? didn't we say upper leg ?

rolled 4, 2 = 6

However! Sulla isn't the only one who just got hit. And unlike Sulla, the Genoese chap is getting plugged with a javelin, and isn't descended from the goddess of rocks and the god of hard places.

Rolling hit location.

>>16217641
CHEST
sulla uses sniper javelins!

Mother of God! I posted the wrong hit location!
Thrust_Leg seemed sensible enough I guess. Who the hell thrust at the lower legs, what was I thinking?

Here's the real table. We'll keep the 1 I guess.

rolled 2 = 2

Pff. "Sold Blow, Funnybone Effect"
Yeah ok.
Sulla awakens from his worst-case scenario fantasy in which he was shot horribly in the foot, to a pain in his knee.
It seems an arrow lanced through his shield to minorly poke the inside of his left leg. He raises an eyebrow at it.
"Very funny, Jupiter."

MEANWHILE, the Genoese feller is having a much worse day.

He has light brigandine on (AV 3 I figure, I stat it like light-chain) and TO 4... So he's getting whacked right in the chest for a level 1 wound. That's not so bad, but it's worse than Sulla got.

>>16217677
Good. We need our two feet.

>>16217720
Alright. The Genoese man turns aside, and the javelin skims past him, catching the edge of his clothing and revealing a glint of metal beneath... And a bit of blood.

He's not looking hurt, but he seems concerned that he got hit at all.

Sulla and the Genoese man are 25 yards away. Sulla has no weapon in hand, the Genoese fellow has a useless crossbow.

We can all guess what the next move is.

Scanned up to and beyond p. 200, leaving me with sixty new pages to tidy up when I get the opportunity.

As it is, I need to get some sleep. I'll pop back in again in the morning.

>>16217781
we love you, maan.
at this rate I'll be able to print out key pages (such as damage tables) long before my campaign starts

>>16217760
Do a provocating gesture towards this degenerate lombard.

>>16217760
he throws the crossbow at sulla

>>16217760
Rush the son of a whore, we've got enough time to draw our gladius, right? Of course he's got enough time to draw his girlish sword too, but we can handle that with some proper application of superior Roman shield.

>>16217781
You are credit to team!

>>16217807
do we save CP dice by not drawing? cus then we can rush and just shield pummel him to death

Drawing closer, it becomes apparent that the Genoesan is a bit better armored than it seemed.

Aside from his brigandine tunic, the fellow has a plate gorget, and a plate codpiece, sculpted in an... incredibly satyrical fashion. Even Sulla, who grew up in Republican Rome, feels that this is incredibly inappropriate battlefield attire.

However, his arms seem to be cloth-armored, he has no helmet, and his legs are leather with hardened leather boots.

Nothing an honest Roman can't handle. As Sulla fondly recalls his mother saying, "No real man has ever worn pants."

>>16217828
Yay ! bullrush him shield first, and grapple/strangle/pummel him when he's down.

Im tired as shit but im not going to bed til this italian kills another italian.

>>16217867
pants-less grown men grappling in a field?

>>16217884

>>16217828
25 yards is probably more than one exchange's worth of running, I won't lie. A yard is about the same as a meter, I'd rather not try to run 25 in the time it takes someone to draw a sword.

I don't think it's feasible to rush in and bash him before he's got a sword out. We might have to fight this one honestly.

poop in your hand and throw it at him
or...use sand...and throw it in his eyes...yeah

Alright. What the Hell is all this. You've caught my interest, damn it.

>>16217899
I don't think he's gonna rush in either, so do we have the time to use another javelin ?

Just to mock the impractical recharge times of his mechanical contraption ?

dude...next drawfagging I do gotta be of sulla!
do remind me later on...cus im possibly to drowzy to remember it in the morning

>>16217878
>Gizka's ancestor
You're going to be shitting bricks at the end of the Gauntlet.

>>16217927
A bunch of fech/tg/uys using "the Riddle of Steel" to have gruesome deathmatches.

>>16217943
... GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!

>>16217934
That's actually a good point. Sulla has two bloody Pilum javelins, which are even bigger and more mean-spirited than regular javelins!

The Genoese fellow draws his sword.
Sulla takes out his hefty javelin.

The Genoese warrior's face falls, a bit.

start rolling, I wanna sleep tonight, haha

>>16217857 and a plate codpiece, sculpted in an... incredibly satyrical fashion.

Cock armor! Sulla's achilles heel!

We might not be able to win this one through brutal groin-stabbing, gentlemen!

>>16217966
I wonder how that face would fall with a pilum in it.

>>16217966
>Dey see me Roman, dey hatin'
I saw we rush forward and throw it at him at close range. No need to give the bastard the chance to dodge it this time.

>>16217976
That's why God invented the javelin.

rolled 1, 6, 10, 10, 1, 9, 9, 8, 2, 10 = 66

>>16217966
>>16217973
Ok, so we put on our smug face, prepare and throw.

Is it ten dice... at ten ? seems quite hard to hurt people with javelins.

>>16217973
Fair enough!

Sulla can throw using his proficiency of 10, after running about half of the distance to his enemy.

This will put him at 12 yard range. However, after that he's going to have to draw his sword at the same time as the Genoesan takes his first attack. This might leave him in a tricky place, but not necessarily. The Genoesan will have to subtract from his pool this time, since he's going to be attacking in the next exchange. Let's say he's more interested in living, so he'll put 12 on a partial evasion.

Sulla: 10 at 8
Genoese: 12 at 7

LET'S ROCK.

>>16218004
It's really hard, but it's also basically free. It's something you can do basically with no effort as you're closing the distance with your enemy. And if you're really good at it, you'll kill the shit out of him basically no matter who he is.

>>16218011
At 8? Why at 8?

>>16217991
I thought that was zeus

>>16217857 and a plate codpiece, sculpted in an... incredibly satyrical fashion.

I just read the wikipedia article, and there's a codpiece illustration there, with a face and a mustache on it. Please tell me there's a face an a mustache on this one.

There is a role playing game called 'The Riddle of Steel'. It's not perfect, but it has damn good mechanics for running narrativist/simulationist episodes of inter-personal violence, from cavemen with clubs up to the introduction of percussion-cap fire-arms.
Unfortunately, it's now out of print. Fortunately, there are pirate copies of all the rules out there. Unfortunately, the scans of the core rulebook suck. Fortunately, I'm replacing them.
John Galt, amongst others, run sessions demonstrating and exploring the mechanics of the game - advertising it if you will - in a Quest type manner.

>Galt! Galt! Why are they criticising him, Anon?
>Because we have to bitch and moan if he misreads the rules.
>He didn't do anything deliberately wrong!
>Because he's the seneschal /tg/ deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll criticise him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's an anonymous guy. A constructive namefag. He's our goddamn John Galt.

>>16218032
My understanding of it is that the difficulty increases by 1 for every range increment past the first. Sulla's at 12 yards, as he is able to advance with impunity, which is the 2nd up from the basic range.

Now it might be something like subtracting dice or who knows what else, but this is how I've done it so far, and I like remaining consistent in the same playthrough. Don't sweat it.

>>16218045
looks like this

rolled 4, 5, 2, 2, 1, 3, 6, 6, 4, 7, 1, 2 = 43

>>16218011

>>16218071
Since FoB range decreases the missile pool.

Wait, is it 10 at 10 or 10 at 8?

Going by >>16218004, It's either 3 or 6 successes.

>>16218045
AND a Goatee.

>>16218070
I'm just a guy who likes people being hit with maces. I'm no Batman. I can't even passively kill Liam Neeson!

>>16218080
Well, as objectively and inarguably correct as you might beOh look someone rolled!

>>16218079
...Wow.

>>16218070
zog me dat was bootyfyool

rolled 5, 6 = 11

>>16218098
It's... It's at 8.

So... Uh.... 6 Successes for Sulla
1 Success for the Genoese swashbuckler.

That's... Uh... Kind of a Margin 5 hit. That's like a Str 14 hit to somewhere on that poor Italian.

Jesus Christ Alive. Rolling for location.

>>16218125
hurray! finally we can die!
Imean sleep!
...sleeep...
oh please tell us he hit him in the dick

>>16218142
give us the wrap up and we'll play you off

Someone archive the thread. I do believe that we just got ourselves a flawless victory.

>>16218073
Not like this ?

BL: 6
Shock: 9
Pain: 11-WP (7)

The Italian is hit straight in the leg by the javelin. It smashes his left kneecap totally, and the man goes down like an emptied fishing net.

Sulla's got the initiative, the Genoesan has no pool.


...Ever decapitated someone through a gorget with the edge of a shield, kids? Now's the time.

>>16218170
do eeeeet

Hmm. I might be tempted to use this. Should I wait for that one guy to finish scanning?

SULLA!
SUULLAA!
SUUULLLLLAAA!
SUUUUUUUULLLLLLLAAAAAA!
SUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAA!

>>16218191
yeah prolly
also, get all the books
flower of battle
companion
of beast and men

>>16218191
You don't have to, but if you aren't in a hurry, you might as well.

>>16218177
Oh no sir, this one is all yours.

17 dice at 6.
Shields do St+1 damage. Enjoy.

>>16218170
Nooo... let him bleed to death, we'll just patch ourself up if necessary or gather our javelins.
Also, take that codpiece off before he vanishes.

Haha! Fuck your fancy-schmancy technical contraptions Mr. Satyrical Codpiece!

rolled 6, 7, 7, 7, 6, 8, 7, 7, 4, 6, 7, 2, 5, 2, 7, 10, 2 = 100

>>16218206
Bueno.

>>16218206
dice+17d10
am i doing it right?

>>16218215
Hold on, I can't hear you over the sound of Jupiter calling for the annihilation of this man's braincase.

rolled 8, 10, 10, 2, 1, 9, 1, 6, 4, 2, 4, 9, 6, 3, 4, 3, 6 = 88

Sulla's channeling Titus Pullo, here.

>>16218226
no Im not

...Did we just hit this poor bastard with a 12 MoS hit?

rolled 3 = 3

>>16218220
I... Strength 19.

That's a Strength 19 hit.

>>16218220
... excellente.

>>16218226

It goes in the email field, bro.

>>16218257
time to play him off...
HIT IT
http://www[DOT]youtube.com/watch?v=wwhSR3KpS9g

>>16218257
I think we did. How sharp are a scutum's edges again ? I would think not very.

>>16218274
The scutum of Sulla has been tempered on the broken skulls of Rome's enemies. Its hardness is rivaled only by the weapon he bears under his skirt.

>>16218273
song doesnt hit til one minute in
just sayian

>>16218259
...Sulla leaps over the Italian, to land straddling his chest, and bringing down the hard edge of his Scuttum with incalculable force.

The Genoesan's head is split in two.... Just beneath the nose.

Sulla stands, breathing heavily, bleeding from his leg, his shattered nose, his ribs aching, his limbs trembling.

And he roars.
He roars for he is Roman.
He roars for he is SULLA. His blood is strong. His blood is invincible. His blood fled Troy, his blood built Rome, his blood helped cast down the Tarquins and smash the Samnites.
His blood is great, and it has never thinned. WILL never thin.

There is no enemy a Sulla cannot destroy. And so Sulla roars, so that all of his blood throughout the ages might hear it.

And somewhere, in the distant future, a young woman twitches, and rubs the back of her neck, as she re-dons the clothes Gizka has just returned to her.

>>16218290
Did I tell you about this french comic I read about an expedition of elite roman legionnaries that discover a people of amazons, who capture a few of them and sacrifice them once they fall limp, and how heroic acts for the glory of Rome ensued ?
It was a good read.

>>16218317
jhooon Gaaalt...you magnificent BASTAAARD!

>>16218317
YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>16218317
Oh my God. The BIRD?

>>16218317

If we have learned one thing today, it's not to fuck with javelins.

To review:

1 A Gallic Warrior (check)
2 A Germanic Warrior (check)
3 A Saxon Warrior (check)
4 An incredibly well dressed Bulgarian Warrior (check)
5 A Genoese Warrior (check)
6 A Samurai Warrior (At bat)
7 A Norse Huscarl (On deck)
8 A Swiss Halberdier
9 A Hussite Warrior
10 ???

Sulla's gotta be feeling some fatigue by now. Even the famous legionary's endurance has bounds.

sure hope you want speed thing ahead without me. now i slumber.
tomorrow...we draw Sulla.
and we make sure the drawing is perfect

>>16218362
Let's hope the samurai doesn't have a bow, so that we can catch a breath staring at each other.

And that, gentlemen, is where we shall stop for now. I will continue to our next contestant-A Samurai Warrior straight from my personal stock of badass warriors-Tomorrow.

Expect more Sulla... And very soon, expect some more Cockateel/Gizka along with it.

>>16218391
Bruce Lee blesses you, John Galt.

>>16218391
Well, it was great to have you back.

>>16218355
And yet, you haven't seen what they can do with the right range penalties.

>>16218317
Ave, Galtor, somnituri te salutant

(Forgive my butchered latin, but it's fucking nap-time o'clock, and I can't be bothered to establish the declension of a namefag. Besides, my Kennedy's Revised is downstairs...)

>>16218355
We learned what so many have learned before: don't fuck with Rome

>>16218404
>>16218403
Thanks guys. I know I've been disappearing a lot, I figure the best way to keep that from being expected is to cut myself off at one fight a day.

I always have a window for a fight a day.When I push on for too long, something always happens. And I don't mean like I run out of time, I mean like my ass gets banned for something I haven't done yet, my power goes out, I discover a new breed of spiders living in my computer housing-insane shit.

So, best not to push my luck, you know? And you guys are getting better at this than I am. There were goddamn bear vs camel fights in here a few days ago.

Bear. Versus Camel. ARMED. The Camels had Rapiers!
We are entering a bright new era of Riddle of Steel. A new scan, a new player-base, a world of possibilities. I am glad to be any part of it that I can.

Ave, my comrades. I'm going to go walk into a bar and drink it.

>>16218458
You are a credit to Bromans everywhere.

>>16218463
You're Talhoffer! I knew it!

No, I'm Hans Talhoffer!

The English is too good to be him though. No shoulders unfolding, for one thing.

I like reading these threads enough that I d/l'ed the (horrible) scanned copy off of /rs/ and flicked through it, and GODDAMN, everything that isn't fighting is poorly done, isn't it?

Character creation and advancement is unnecessarily complicated, the setting is dull and the magic system is trying to be Warhammer Fantasy-style "powerful but risky" and just ends up "ludicrously powerful and not risky at all". Also the actual book itself is poorly set out, unclear and just not very well-written. There's this odd conversational tone that strips away any feeling of immersion, which makes reading it something of a chore.

I like the actual core system, but I can't think of a game more in need of a second edition.

>>16219522
Get the supplements. Most of the core is obsolete. They stated that they never even attempted to balance the magic system, as it was supposed to be rare and conan-powerful.

And maybe I am jaded by eclipse phase etc, but I though the character creation is fine and advancement is finer.

>>16219563 they stated that they never even attempted to balance the magic system, as it was supposed to be rare and conan-powerful.

That's something that sounds cool in theory, but in actual play it's just not a good idea. Imagine playing a homebrew DnD variant where the wizard got a bonus 5 levels on the fighter, a d10 hit die and full BaB progression. How enjoyable would that be to play for non wizards? I expect your fighter PCs are going to spend a lot of time sulking about how useless they are. Saying "Oh, but the DM can balance it in play!" generally translates to the DM having to unfairly handicap one player, causing them to justifiably feel picked on and singled out. Either way, it's gonna suck for someone.

Balance is often sneered at by game designers, but it really is necessary for a game to be fun for all the players

>>16219867
It's not the same thing. Magic in Riddle of Steel is enormously powerful, but in really impractical ways.

Want to turn lead into gold? That's doable.
Want to summon Satan and play 20 questions with him? Piece of cake.
Want to stop a guy with a sword from putting it in you? There is no practical way to do that in the time it takes him to run up and put the sword in you.

There's no way to really scry and be aware of all of your enemies, either. Nor is there such a thing as contingency spells or shields or foolproofs.

Magic is enormously powerful, but it is very sharply limited. This isn't D&D, and it cannot be treated as such.

>>16219867
I think this game do not plan on players getting attached to their characters, or on DMs designing dungeon crawls for a cleric/wizard/fighter/rogue party.
The DM is should not even think to balance it in play.

-

In other news, I want to adapt the combat system to 3.x DnD. Actually, my heart's desire is for a game that adds GURPS, RoS and 3.x into a functional whole. How silly is that ?

>>16220023
Which is not to say that I'm making apologies for the less poorly thought out elements of it. I agree that it all needs to be redone, but the idea at core was pretty good. When they say that they made no attempt to make it balanced, I don't think they meant "Sure, just make the mages ridiculously powerful and the fighters weak," because that's not what happened.

What they wanted to avoid was making magic just a different way of doing the same shit. They made magic an entirely separate system that basically touches none of the same bases that regular people touch. Magic doesn't replace skills, or replace fighting, it just opens up new venues that you didn't have before, or makes people better at what they do.

It's all very complicated of course, and could use some better defining, and I'm not going to be the one to advocate Revised Sorcery, which I feel did everything it could to retard this bold direction and make it more simply, unequivocally broken.

>>16220023 Want to stop a guy with a sword from putting it in you? There is no practical way to do that in the time it takes him to run up and put the sword in you.

No, but there are a few ways for even a beginner mage to absolutely murder the shit outta that guy with a sword, even if he is tough & well-armored.

>>16220062 I think this game do not plan on players getting attached to their characters, or on DMs designing dungeon crawls for a cleric/wizard/fighter/rogue party.

No, but I suspect they did plan on players being involved in a lot of combat, and I don't see how that can work with a mixed party of mages and fighters. Granted, I'm only going off a quick browse of the book, it's entirely possible magic isn't quite as good as it seems in play.

I'm rather hoping that one of the several knowledgeable RoS tripfriends will run a fight between a mage and non-mage.

>>16220149
The devil is in the details sir. Magic casting times are enormous-far more than what it takes most fights, even between decent sized groups, to end.

The spell that most people cite as the example of RoS's fucked up magic system is Suicide, which, if the opponent fails a Willpower save or somesuch, causes the target to simply... Die.

It has a casting time of 7 rounds. Seven bloody rounds. It's the most streamlined "Fuck you" spell in the game, and it's completely useless in a fight, I don't even know how one would use such a thing. Even formalized, a sample, identical spell still takes 5 rounds to cast, and isn't guaranteed to work!

What it comes down to is that for actual fighting, wizards had better know how to... Actually fight. Maybe they can use sustained spells to increase fighting efficacy, but for the most part you aren't going to see battlemages mowing down fighters by the score.

>>16220194
In truth? It's just like a fight between two fighters except that one of them naturally has worse stats or proficiencies due to character building requiring their A for magic.

Magic does not happen in the middle of combat, period. It can be used to circumvent combat, and it has lots of non-combat applications. Whenever someone speaks about a Domination Wizard makikng a dude stab himself, that's assuming that the wizard has at the very least a few rounds in which the fighter is either unaware of him or does absolutely nothing to stop it.

So far as I'm concerned, wizards aren't even close to overpowered in this game. The one PC I had that chose to be a wizard ended up using about 10 spells over the course of a 15 session campaign, and got incredibly aged on the fourth one.

>>16220194
I could do it, but it wouldn't be much of anything special. Revised Sorcery would basically turn it into a single Red/Red exchange, whereas original RoS would have it either boil down into several exchanges of the fighter killing the mage, or else a perfectly mundane fight between the two, since mages can't actually do stuff in battle if they're fighting people.

Now if you want a good example of what a mage can do, it would have to be a much stranger example. Like, one man trying to grow all of the grass on the coast of an ocean into a gigantic wall to stop a tidal wave, or causing the earth itself to split in half and swallow up an advancing army of orcs (and the latter would be a casting that could very easily take days.)

It rarely ever turns into mage casts Eat Shit and Die, Enemy rolls Save vs Eating Shit.

>>16220299
Lemme guess, he dumped his whole pool in without saving any for a Strain roll? I've done that.

But there is no price too high to pay for killing the fucking Hef.

>>16220334
Dumped most of his pool, but got really really unlucky on the save vs. OLD. The worst part was that he was essentially just trying to show off by mind-wiping some no-name bandit because he was worried the guy would go to the local lord (despite being a bandit) and somehow give explicit and detailed information about the party, their plan, and their whereabouts.

He immediately started casting much more frugally.

>>16220392
A bandit... Christ. I want a facepalm image but I never saved any.

>>16220523
Agreed. And we did. And it was good.

This game is good and we should all feel good.

I do want to point out that it's possible to, with a high enough pool to take the risk, cast spells without giving any outwardly visible effort towards doing so at all. Somebody in a really old thread fell afoul of this in a campaign he was in, where a bitchy elven unit commander started up a Suicide casting as soon as it looked like she was about to have part of her men turn on her (including the PCs), and the first one she hit was one of the PC billmen just as he was finishing his "DIE BITCH" speech.

Okay, reading the core rules now and I see what some of you mean. That intro:
>mechanically stroking his beard
>"...just stepped in da place..."
I can't help picturing the magistrate as some kind of steampunk guy with 40k ork henchmen.

>>16220974
That'll teach people to have long pre-battle monologues. I guess it makes sense, every second you spend waiting before attacking is another second someone could be winding up an arbalest or casting a rape spell.

This goes double for elves, because ALL elves have magic of exactly the right level to fuck you into the ground.

>>16220974
That is fucking hilarious.

>>16221364
>>16221403
Indeed it was. Though somewhat more dangerously, if you're attacking a bunch of obviously armed dudes who happen to have an unassuming-looking guy behind them who isn't actually appearing to DO anything? I think one could be forgiven for not leaping to stop the mage from casting spells of pure doom since you had absolutely no way to tell what was about to happen.

>>16219522
I have half a mind to bodge together a 'Riddle of Steal 2.0' when I'm done with the core rulebook. At the same time though, I'm not sure it's worth investing that much time into someone else's IP/copyrighted work.

>>16222724 I have half a mind to bodge together a 'Riddle of Steal 2.0' when I'm done with the core rulebook

I've been thinking the same thing, though I'm not sure how one would go about it.

First things first would be to establish a re-written, precise and complete version of the core combat rules, including everything from the supplements, erratas etc.

After that, we'd be going into 'include everything in the supplements' or 'make shit up' territory.

>>16222772
>First things first would be to establish a re-written, precise and complete version of the core combat rules, including everything from the supplements, erratas etc

Oh yes please! Do this and you'll be the patron saint of all groin stabbers!

>>16222772

Holy crap dude, if you actually do this I will have a sex change just so I can bear your children.

>>16222787
Yeeeaaaah. As I mentioned the first time, this would be a looong term project (looking at, say, a year away or more), and liable to be dropped due to lack of interest, boredom, frustration or random passing titties.

I'm off to work now, nearly an hour late. On the other hand, I'm not out drinking tonight. I need to get some exercise, since I'm feeling like a fucking fat fech/tg/uy, but concievably I could get back to scanning and/or tidying in 12-15 hours.

>>16222772 First things first would be to establish a re-written, precise and complete version of the core combat rules, including everything from the supplements, erratas etc.

If you are actually keen on doing this, I suggest making a new thread tomorrow when most people are awake and recruiting help. I know we currently have a bunch of people who are enthusiastic about RoS & who know the system well, and I also know that these sorts of endeavors are much, much more likely to succeed if there's multiple people to share the workload and to keep each other motivated.

Seriously, if you actually do this, it will be one of the cooler projects /tg/ has done. I know there'd be many, many more people interested in RoS if the rules weren't scattered over multiple books.

>>16222842
Fuck it. I can now be contacted any time at fechtguy AT gmail.com

Now, srsly, work.

you namefags are awesome.

anyway, I've been doing a sort of rules-compilation already, mostly for the subsystems (grapple, wind&bind, initiative...).
It isn't that good, I've really skimped on the editing, but it's something.
and others might have had the same idea.

this project might get done faster than expected!

is this thread still active or are we waiting on a new thread?

>>16223145
we can make it active.
I'm ready to run a bit of combat for the knight of 2 days ago, if there is anyone online at this time.

I was thinking more along the lines of doing some prep work for the sulla pic.
I do not remember what gear Sulla had and I am severly lacking in roman reference pics. anyone who can help with any of this will have my thanks.

>>16223257

His gear is in: >>16217068

It looks pretty much like an ordinary legionary, so you can use that as a reference, I think.

>>16223257
By my understanding, he's a buffer pic-related with an additional cestus.

anyone got pics of roman chainmail?

The Lorica Hamata (which is apparently what the Bromans called their mail) was basically indistinguishable from other chain shirts of its day onward, except for those weird shoulder-straps, also made of mail.

The skirt of leather is commonly depicted, but was actually rarer as a serious armor component than we give it credit for, though amongst serious legionaries it was standard.
(The Legion was actually the smallest branch of the Roman military, it just did -all- of the offensive fighting. Garrison forces were equipped with cheap shit, auxiliaries were also equipped with cheap shit, hell the only home-guard who weren't going into battle with lampshades and sheet togas were the urban cohorts who were more like the fire department than the military.)

Anyway, I've got a few decent reference pictures.

Behold: Hamata.

But there's one very unusual component of Sulla's kit. He's got a Cestus.

Now, originally the Cestus was a sport-fighting doodad. Basically a boxing glove except in reverse, it was intended to make punches more destructive so that the Romans could laugh at poor people killing each other without making an all day affair of it.

In this case, I suspect that what John meant was a gladiator's gauntlet, as were later equipped to legions that were deployed in Dacia, to help defend against the Falx. These would less resemble the iron hand-wraps we see here, and more resemble those lobstered full-arm gauntlets you see in movies about gladiators and whatnot, but it might be that Sulla was a boxer before joining the legion, and liked holding onto old habits just in case things went weird.

>>16223655
>>16223624
>>16223614
Educational!

Y'know, the one thing I've never liked about Roman armor is how it doesn't cover all of your arm or provide any protection for the neck or legs (except in the case of centurions, who at least had shin protection). Thank Mars for that scutum.

>>16223677
The helmets did incorporate a neckguard. I seem to remember there was also a scarf-thing around the neck. Those metrosexuals.

We also have records of legionaries armouring their lead leg's shin.

I'm more surprised by the lack of a nasal myself.

I need to go pay sum bills and get breakfast. but when im back I think I will start on the picture. this was educational and helpful. thank you

I was working on races and magic for an homebrew setting. I wanted magicians to fight along with archers and swordsmen, with some parvence of balance - here's what I have got.
This works under the 'dramatic timing' rules (archers and mages get to mess with melees whenever there is a pause)

Sorcery Pool: (WP+MA)/2 + Proficency.
Casting TN: as Skill, each spell or each school is a different skill
Effect: worked from MoS. Resisted with Reflex or WP (can add CPs if in combat)
Non-Human/Multiple Targets, Out of Sight, Armor Penalties: Activation Costs.

Exceptions:
Direct Damage, Buffs, Debuffs and Dispels are pretty straightforward.
Illusions count as stealth, disguise, or whatever appropriate skill buffs.

Problems:
How to implement Domination effects? only as rituals? or need a MoS of 5? or count as attacks inflicting shock, domination takes effect once 'dead'?
How to implement Summoning effects? they need at least CPs, DR, AV. a way to summon more. costs for special abilities like flight.

Proposed Racial Table:
RACES:
A: Paragons with Magic
B: Normals with Magic
C: Sub-humans or Degenerates with Magic
D: Racial Paragons
Humans: fuck yeah. +2 to 2 attributes.
Orcs: beefy, slow. +2 St, To and one other; -1 MA or Soc.
Elves: agile, fragile. +2 Ag, Wit and one other; -1 En or Ht.
E: Normal Races
Humans, no mods
Orcs, +1 St or To; -1 MA or Soc
Elves, +1 Ag or Wit; -1 En or Ht
F: Sub-humans or Degenerates. -2 to 2 attributes.

with 3 magic proficiencies:
Human -> direct and aggressive: direct damage, debuffs
Orcish -> shamanic: personal buffs, terrain effects, summons
Elvish -> arcane and indirect: illusions, dominations, dispels

any comments?

>>16223736
>Direct Damage, Buffs, Debuffs and Dispels

No sir, I don't like it.

But I don't actually like casual magic, so there's that. Looks solid from over here.

>>16223741
I know, but I feel that's needed if I want to let players be classic 'cloth wearers'.
I tried to enforce the classic gothic archetype with the racial table: getting magic without being a subhuman freak costs, hoping the costs would be enough...

>>16223822
What do you even mean by subhumans?

For your attention:

If you want a tRos-esque detailed and more realistic combat model in your d20 based game of strangely regular cave systems, large fire breathing reptiles capable of flight, and similar bizarre man-what isms, check out http://www[DOT]codexmartialis[DOT]com/

It's by Jean Chandler, and heavily cribbed from tRos, but is designed to slot into d20 systems.

Also, http://www.trosfans[DOT]com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=115 claims to be the legitimate source of pdfs of the core rules. The same forum has a section on "1.5" (compiling rules) and "2.0" (next edition) fan developments it would be worth at least perusing.

Have a tree kangaroo. I'm betting he uses the throwing stick from tFoB...

>>16223851
something like pic-related...
the inbred, the malnourished, the failed experiments - I'd like the setting to feel like fantasy dark-age europe... also, I needed something to lower the racial baseline a bit.

>>16223884
Great. Though I think you can use actual dots when it's not sites like filesonic.
http://www.codexmartialis.com/
http://www.trosfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=115

>>16223723
I never understood how those neckguards guarded the neck. Horizontal cuts and thrusts are much more effective against the neck than vertical ones, no ?

Hey, has good and gracious Scannon's work already been put up? I heard about it a while back and have been trapped in a dungeon, unable to follow the progress. Are any of the books done? Can't find the links on /rs/, perhaps they are somewhere craftier? Perhaps I'll cease with the questions?

>>16223918
>>I never understood how those neckguards guarded the neck. Horizontal cuts and thrusts are much more effective against the neck than vertical ones, no ?

Because they're wide and low. It's fucking hard to find a decent picture, but the lobster tails on a lot of roman helmets cover the back of the neck entirely, and in combination with those huge cheek flaps, leave only a narrow space at the side of the neck.

>>16223851
you know...gypsies and jews...
just kidding guys, take the hoods off...
right imma eat my breakfast and then we'll start drawing Sulla

>>16223993
In >>16223723's pic the first two helmets seem to have neckguards that extend horizontally back from the bottom of the ear. That would leave a lot of the neck exposed.
The third one seems tilted down, though.

ok, initial sketch

>>16224264
Arnold?

>>16224292
actually looked at the face of an olympic wrestler, but Arnold kinda fits. I mean...he was conan, ammarite?

>>16224264
I don't think romans smoked.

>>16224401
sulla punched a hole torugh time and grabbed a shabby cigar
cus thats how he rolls

>>16224159
frankly, if someone is getting a free shot at the base of the back of your skull in the middle of battle, you done fucked up. Armor is there to protect you from probable strikes, not to protect you from making mistakes.

Also, the wide horizontal flair helps deflect vertical strikes coming down into your neck/shoulders. Spear thrusts from horsemen, or raining arrows, for example.

Keep in mind that these men fought in formation, so the only person behind you 90% of the time was your fellow broman. Furthermore, the fuckhueg cheek guards will protect the neck horizontally just fine if you manage even a slight head-turn into the coming blow. (Why someone would decide to take a shot to the head rather than raise their shield, I don't know).
There's also the issue of industrial production, it's much more costly to make custom-fitted neck guards for every individual than to just stamp on a duck tail and call it a day.

I guess the thing that surprised me when I was reading about Roman gear is how primitive their metallurgy was, I mean, they were still using bronze (sometimes) for armor and yet that armor was impervious to most blows. I guess I'd assume the thickness they'd need would mean that armor would be ridiculously cumbersome.

And it's a good thing galt's not tracking weapon damage, because there would be no way that bloom forged piece of one-step-above-wrought-iron would still have an edge on it after any kind of solid strike on something steel.

I'm pretty sure warfare in Roman times consisted mostly of just pushing and hoping someone from your side made it to the enemy flank.

>>16225644
I have a suggestion for you: don't assume shit. Rather, go read up a bit.

>>16225644
actually roman armour is more intimidating than impervious, a good blade would go through the earlier helmets if you got a good swing and didn't glance off, and the flax ripped them up like a can-opener. that and the famous roman armour was only used for a relatively short time, then it became more cost effective for them to just go back to using mail. If the armour had been that effective then they wouldn't have needed the large shield. However the intimidation factor of a large group of men wearing armour completely foreign to you, who shrug off most poorly aimed or uncommitted attacks, would be massive.

and does anyone fancy having a bash at some character creation, then throwing said character at some warm bodies?

anyine know how RoS handles grenades?
not...modern and contemporary grenades but the classic black balls with a fuse

>>16225881
yes.

>>16225997
There is a mine described in FoB. Basically you receive generic damage to the entire body and if you have a level 6 wound, you have to roll TO to see if you survive.

>>16226058
I can work with that. thanks mate

OK so, if you're interested in having a go at some group character creation now is the time, thread is here.
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